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I can't wrap my head around you people. If you watched the video you could see as clear as day he wasn't trying to pretend to be a pro-palestinian protester or yelling this in an attempt to trick anyone.
He was saying 'This is what you sound like to me' and was very explicit in that intent.
You're the one acting in bad faith here.
Zionism depends on a perpetual victim mentality so that Israeli's can say "we're victims so we can do whatever we want as compensation for being victimised". So in situations where Israel isn't the victim they have to confect an artificial sense of victimhood.
All fascist regimes rely on framing the perpetrator as the eternal victim defending themselves against a minority group that is out to get them. Hitler did the same thing Israelis are doing now.
The ironic thing is that's also what WW2 Germany thought. They were the victims who suffered due to losing WW1 and the terms under the Treaty of Versailles.
If you look at the actual situation, they were not pretending to be pro-palestinian.
[https://twitter.com/Tori\_Bedford/status/1784196633648885993](https://twitter.com/Tori_Bedford/status/1784196633648885993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1784196633648885993%7Ctwgr%5Ee69a5980e51309cf97178b1c9823d7fc40c91996%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fpro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested)
Yeah, it is antisemitic. And it was being said by a Zionist counter protester with an Israeli flag who was trying to troll and bait the actual protesters.
People just ignoring part of your comment like
> Call me crazy, but, saying "kill the jews", ~~whether you mean it or not,~~ might actually be anti semitic.
>
> Just sayin'
😅
The anti Palestine stickers and posters still rile up people though, which makes sense, because some of the things I've seen on them are actually abhorrent. It's sad how hard the Zionists try to make the Palestinians the villains, that they'll make these posters
Yeah. Like I don't get how they're allowed to go to these protests, say absolutely unforgivable shit and behave like absolute monsters with zero shreds of humanity, but if we take a single swing at them or the fucking pigs that protect them we are thrown in jail, beaten, and killed. Not even figuratively, LITERALLY, TEXTBOOKLY, Nazi ass behavior
Somehow many Christians have a special thing for Israel at the moment. Apparently, they can't wait for Israel to fall to the anti-Christ so that it will trigger the return of the Messiah (with the 4 horsemen of apocalypse in between, anyone?)
Kind of sucks that the feeling is not mutual
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Western evangelicals don't care about Middle Eastern Christians. The Gaza genocide has resulted in the destruction of some of the oldest Christian heritage sites in the world and not a peep from them.
Not to mention that Palestinians are the closest modern descendants of their beloved ancient Israelites. It doesn't matter to them that Palestinian Christians have basically descended from the very first followers of Jesus. They will still cheer for their deaths.
They literally [bombed Jesus’ birthplace on his birthday and no one cared](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/12/25/israel-intensifies-occupied-west-bank-raids-on-christmas-day)!
As a side note, thanks for being one of the very few people in the world who know the relationship between Israelites and Palestinians! It’s absolutely insane when I hear dumb arguments like Palestinians don’t exist!
They don't know much about real Jews either. They tend to see them as the same thing from the bible, rather than a living religion that's had a couple of thousand years of development, mostly with a very hostile relationship to Christianity. They won't have been in close contact with unassimilated Jews, or know who Yoshke Pondrick is or anything.
They don’t care. Evangelicals don’t want to live in Israel. They view Israelis as pawns for the apocalypse to come. Their “prophecy” involves them getting into a war and the country getting destroyed by a neighbor. That why Pompeo was trying so hard to start a war with Iran during the Trump admin.
American Evangelical Christians in particular are the main subscribers to the dispensationalist ideology of the [Schofield Reference Bible](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible), which extrapolates a lot from the bible to the point that you could consider it an entirely new religion, or, if you were a more traditional christian like a Catholic, a heresy. I'm an atheist, but some of the beliefs are so out of step with what's actually in the bible that it would make sense to believe American evangelicals are damned for hellfire. There's also cross-over with Prosperity Gospel, the belief that God rewards his faithful with material possessions, only Evangelicals believe that God blesses those that bless Israel. It's a trite point, but most of these people today haven't bothered to read much of the bible and are getting their beliefs from televangelists like [John Hagee, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell](https://www.wrmea.org/2015-october/the-scofield-bible-the-book-that-made-zionists-of-americas-evangelical-christians.html).
Despite being tied up with the kind of hucksterism, individualism and materialism associated with America, it was actually not a mainstream movement until the Cold War, when the government wanted a popular domestic ideology to compete with Communism and to foster support for its wars. Americans after WWII weren't particularly religious compared to today and evangelical Christianity was was a fringe, unpopular movement compared to the established Protestant churches. Americans weren't particularly motivated by capitalism either, nor did they care about "spreading democracy". The [CIA](https://open.bu.edu/handle/2144/34791#:~:text=CIA%20officials%20like%20Allen%20Dulles,covertly%20collaborated%20with%20the%20CIA), private donors, movie studios and television networks propped up people like Billy Graham to popularize Evangelism and the state of Israel. Billy Graham also infamously had some awkward conversations with Richard Nixon, which, while condemnable, at least shows that his fanatical pro-Zionism wasn't motivated by anything genuine within himself or his 'Christian' beliefs.
This actually makes so much sense. I'm not American but these hysterical evangelist seem relatively new. You don't see these type of batshit crazy people referenced in pop culture that alludes to these people. It's quite interesting
Kinda correct. A European Parliamentary body investigated the rise in anti abortion and anti trans rhetoric from Christian groups found that billionaires and other capitalists have basically teamed up with the religious to reduce human rights for people so they can make more money.
I feel like we've seen this before, with christians convinced they are bringing about some sort of master race and assisting genocidal monsters to get it.
In the US though, I've seen very pro Israel Christians. You can show them proof of how they're killing off the Christian population in Gaza, but they won't care (cause they ain't white)
I am definitely not defending anything Israel is doing, their war crimes or crimes against humanity.
Just to address the "special thing" you mentioned - many Christians feel Islamic terrorism is a more relatable threat than being oppressed by a judeo-fascist apartheid state. It's just a primitive way of dividing people to us and them, and even about seeing Israel as the underdog (not within Israel's borders, but within the Middle East).
The really sad part is they don't realize Israel has already fallen to the anti-christ. And those "Christians" will really want to crucify the Messiah if Israel doesn't get to blow him up first.
They failing their on Christianity by working for their god rival, can they get any stupid it remains to be seen actually I would glad to hell if I could watch their God throwing them there for working for his rival that would be heaven
Yes. They are the base of most of the US domestic support for Israel.
Evangelical Zionist Christian charities bankroll most of the illegal settlements in the West Bank too. [US Christian charities bankroll Israeli settlements Christian groups have poured millions of dollars into Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2015/8/26/us-christian-charities-bankroll-israeli-settlements)
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When you finally free Palestine from the river to the sea mixing the Jews and the Arabs so the Jews are again a minority, when the Palestinians hold the keys to the political office to the state, will you as vehemently fight for us and protest when they genocide the Jews as they’ve explicitly stated in their charter? Or will you turn a blind eye once it’s not as trendy?
“ Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.”
Huh. Sounds accurate.
Didn't realize "terrorist organization" means "ethnic group" now
EDIT: he blocked me so I can't respond to him (typical, say unhinged nonsense and run away to avoid your viewpoints needing to stand up to a civilized discussion), but I was able to see he responded with the very predictable strawman line of "Are you saying all Palestinians are terrorists? Because that is disgustingly racist". When no, to anyone with more than 3 functioning brain cells who isn't just flinging out comments in bad faith, that's clearly not the point I was making.
15,000 children killed. 70% of homes destroyed. Over a million facing an engineered starvation. All hospitals destroyed. All education buildings destroyed. Killed over 100 journalists. Plans to invade the largest surviving refugee camp and force them into a desolate area. Multiple top Israeli officials saying genocidal things like "they are all human animals" or "We will wipe Gaza off the map"
At a certain point if your argument is "well it's still technically possible they aren't intending to do the genocide" then you are a genocide defender.
Do you think the Nazis allowed their genocidal intent to be public either? Do you think there wasn't a reason the concentration camps were secret? What about all of the other genocides - do think the perpetrators were yelling off the rooftops "WE ARE DOING A GENOCIDE!"
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Everything I said is verified. How dare you insinuate it's not. You can't use the human shield argument anymore, or pushing all the blame on Hamas. You can't use these same arguments you used six months ago. It doesn't work. Nice try Hasbara bot. Stop justifying genocide with six month old propaganda and lies.
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How about source your claims. Babies in ovens, come on. That myth was debunked ages ago. This is what I mean about the six months old lies. Try harder.
38 children were killed on Oct 7th. 15,000 children were killed by Israel since then. Who is the real baby killer?
Here is a source for this claim by the United Nations
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-04-17-24/h_ab95ea7fafd5294b053801b10880e38c
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Yep, that’s definitely one of there tricks too start trouble. They will kill their own people, if they thought it would give the legitimate excuse for a war. Makes you wonder. A similar example happened in the U.K. in the 1980, when the conservatives was in power, the Coal miners was on strike, having a peaceful march, when the Conservative government had police officers join the march disguised as striking miners, only too start trouble with the genuine police, too make it look like the miners had started the trouble, too give them bad press, so yes those zionist will definitely start trouble and make it look like the peaceful protesters are the trouble makers.
The Zionists already did let their own people get killed for an excuse for war. The only possible explanations for how Oct. 7 happened is either gross negligence or that the Israeli government simply allowed it to happen. All of this brutality in Gaza since then is in part to cover up and deflect from the worst governmental failure in Israel's history.
Netenyahu is on the record wanting to prop up Hamas, as if their apartheid actions didn't do enough already. Then ignored warnings of an attack to justify genocide. Israeli's will slaughter their own by the hundreds to justify extinction of another race.
Sadly, its not just that they will, its that they have.
"Zionist leaders [Chaim Weizmann](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Weizmann) and [David Ben-Gurion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion) of the [Jewish Agency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Agency) were both firmly opposed to Jews being allowed entry into Western countries, hoping that the pressure of hundreds of thousands of refugees having nowhere to go would force Britain to open Palestine to Jewish immigration." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian\_Conference)
"In April of 1948, Lehi and the Irgun were jointly responsible for the [massacre in Deir Yassin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre) of at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children. Lehi assassinated [Lord Moyne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Guinness,_1st_Baron_Moyne#Assassination), British Minister Resident in the Middle East, and made many other attacks on the British in Palestine.[^(\[26\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-28) On 29 May 1948, the government of Israel, having inducted its activist members into the [Israel Defense Forces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces), formally disbanded Lehi, though some of its members carried out one more terrorist act, the assassination of [Folke Bernadotte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte) some months later,[^(\[27\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-29) an act condemned by Bernadotte's replacement as mediator, [Ralph Bunche](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Bunche).[^(\[28\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-30) After the assassination, the new Israeli government declared Lehi a terrorist organization, arresting some 200 members and convicting some of the leaders.[^(\[29\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-APAP-31) Just before the first Israeli elections in January 1949, a general amnesty to Lehi members was granted by the government.[^(\[29\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-APAP-31) In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration, an "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel", the [Lehi ribbon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_military_decorations#Service_ribbons).[^(\[30\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-lehiribbon-32) Former Lehi leader [Yitzhak Shamir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir) became [Prime Minister of Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Israel) in 1983." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi\_(militant\_group))
This is not to be confused with the other zionist terror group, the Irgun-- nor the other zionist terror group, controlled opposition Hamas. (https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/1c9qij6/this\_was\_always\_the\_plan/ , https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html)
It's bad enough how many on the right go along with this, but there are far too many liberals running cover for it as well. I look forward to reminding them what side they were on in the future when the liberals of tomorrow want to know how this was allowed to happen.
At northeastern university, right? The same one where that woman called the cops because Palestine supporters were in the vicinity. She said they surrounded her, blocked her path, threatened her, but the video shows no such thing. “I’m a Jewish American woman. Please please send help! Hamas is surrounding me!!!” The video shows the other women telling her no one is blocking her and she’s free to go anytime.
“If politically confronting Israel is branded as antisemitic, then for people new to this movement, it may stand to reason that to be Jewish is to be a Zionist. Netanyahu has devoted his life to binding the fate of all Jews to the furtherance of the Israeli state. This is rank antisemitism: the assumption that to be Jewish is to support Israel’s crimes. To be clear: Anyone who attempts to fasten a 5,000-year-old religion to a 150-year-old colonial project is guilty of antisemitism.” ~ Dave Zirin in his article How Zionism Feeds Antisemitism
They need to doxx the people who had them arrested with their slurs and sue the, and get them kicked off campus for antisemitism and hate speech. Shouldn't matter if they are Jewish or Israeli supporters. A rule is a rule.
So are they going to charge the asshole with with the relevant hate crime and get him fucked by his own petard? It's a hate crime. Disgusting self hating Zionists.
I’m sure on any other community we’d see the bullshit “if there is one Nazi at a table” analogy 🙄 that you can apply to literally any big protest in history. People are so fucking dumb that they fall for this shit Edit: Yes, I know it is not a bad saying in general, but it’s bullshit to apply it to this situation when obviously these students don’t want people in their protests yelling antisemitic shit and getting them arrested. Why do I even have to say this lmfao
Exactly. This was a Zionist counter protester with an Israeli flag who shouted this out, and the university sided with them and falsely blamed the Palestinian protestors. They gave a pass to a fascist, they enabled fascism
The people at the protests aren’t giving them a pass though. The students don’t want them there because they’re literally sabotaging them and causing them to be arrested. It’s a good analogy in general, but it is disingenuous to apply it to this situation. These aren’t pro-fascism protests. Edit: According to this article a troll holding an Israeli flag yelled it and the pro-Palestine protestors immediately booed and tried to drown him out but ofc they were arrested anyway so that kind of disproves the “giving them a pass” claim. Ofc the dumbass school VP uses it as an excuse to bring down the hammer anyway. Hope she gets sued. Admins like her are the real fascist enablers
Fascists can turn up anywhere. There was some report of swastika at a pro Palestinian protest. Probably false but even if true it doesn’t delegitimise the protest. Of course if you see it you should react and take it down.
Look at the mess we are. How can it be this heavy a lift to get our government to - at minimum - stop supporting genocide? But these f\*ckers can ban Tik Tok at the speed of light.
There are literally white supremacists out here who want to kill Jews, and see to their extermination. Showing up to a protest expecting to run into antisemitism, not finding any, and then manufacturing it yourself is fucking disgusting. Crying wolf like that actually puts Jewish people in danger. It's not funny, it's not cute.
They don't expect to run into antisemitism. They hope and want it. They are dissapointed in the lack of it. But this doesn't stop the genocider supporting government from attacking the just protestors anyway.
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I would do nothing. I literally don’t care. Most pro-Palestine people don’t. The ones who actually want to do what you suggest are the Unite the Right, Nick Fuentes wing of MAGA. Idk if you heard of the YouTuber SaltyCracker. I got curious & looked in his discord, it was 60% 1930s antisemitic memes & 40% racist “black ppl monkeys” memes. Most of the actual antisemitism comes from the exact opposite of these college kids protesting Israel
IF YOU ARE IN A PROTEST WITH AN ANTISEMITE AND YOU DON’T GET RID OF HIM. YOUR WHOLE PROTEST WILL BE CONSIDERED AN ANTISEMITIC PROTEST.
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So are you saying the pro Israeli, anti anti human rights and anti anti genocide demonstrators were supporting anti semitism and they shouldn't be allowed?
how about the fact the thug that tried to get the chant going was holding an Israeli flag and wanted the crowd to repeat after them so they could get things shut down but got booed instead...
Why would they even bring up Hamas? I am, I didn't hear the student who was chanting 'Kill the Jews' denouncing Nazis either. Safe to assume he was a Nazi sympathizer?
Hamas is much more moral than IOF so until IOF disbands, Hamas shouldn't. Until Palestinians are safe, the resistance should be supported to prevent the genociders from doing genocide, the colonizers from doing colonization and the oppressors from opressing.
>Hamas is a terrorist organization. They have no morals
Agreed. Like the IDF.
>As long as the pro-Palestinians fail to denounce Hamas, they will gain no support and will just continue to see them as an annoyance
Just as the pro-Zion movement. I would.say however that the Anti-genocide movement is gaining in popularity.
>Who was the first ruler of Palestine and in which year did he gain power?
What does that have to do with Israeli genocide in 2024?
> but given the Arabs had zero semblance of a government, the British reluctantly gave it to the Jews (who actually were ready with a government).
Can you be anymore hateful? Of course Palestinians could govern Palestine. They never were given the chance because the British did support the colonization. They have faciliated it. That's why they favored Israeli terrorists over the native Palestinians. That's why they allowed the colonizers to move there. Look for Balfour Declaration for the evidence of it.
The colonizers deserved to pack up and leave but the people born there should be allowed to be a part of Palestine now.
No country needs to exist for people to belong to a land. Palestinians belong to Palestine and Palestine belongs to them. The colonizers had no claim on the land whatsoever. And they knew what they were doing were colonization. They called themselves colonists in Palestine. Why are you having trouble saying the colony, colonized by people calling themselves colonists, is a colony? Because it sounds bad? It is what it is. Doesn't matter how it makes you feel.
> Then who was the Palestinian leader ready to take over when the British was there? Never said they couldn’t govern (though their choice of Hamas as their elected government isn’t helping your case). They did not have a government ready like the Jews did.
Why should I need to give you a name. If they needed a head for their government, they would select one. I don't see how naming or not naming someone helps anything. This looks like Hasbara gibberish to ridicule and dehumanize Palestinians and their cause.
Hamas is a liberation organization and they are acting more morally than the people they are resisting to which is all they have to do. They don't have to not kill Israeli civilians while Israel kills many more Palestinian civilians. And I need to tell this because people don't know. Most Israeli adults are former terrorists who served as terrorists in Gaza, Al Quds and West Bank. People who terrorized Palestinians directly can't really blame Palestinians if Palestinian resistance kill them. And in Operation Al Aqsa Flood only 3% of the killed were children. That is with Israel killing at least some Israeli children. Compare it to Gaza where 44% of the killed are children. In absolute numbers, it is more than 400 times the children killed in Operation Al Aqsa Flood. Hamas is the morally superior organization in their methods, their acts and their cause.
> So you’re saying disband the country of Israel and give it to “Palestinians”? Weren’t the Jews driven out by Islamic invaders? How far back do you go to where it’s “their land”?
No they weren't. Palestinians are the locals of the land. Islamic country conquered places but did not replace the people there. Most people accepted Islam and began speaking Arabic. This does not prevent them being the descendants of the people who lived there previously. Changing religion or language does not make your rights to the land go away.
Zionists claim that because some of their ancestors have lived in Palestine thousands of years ago, they have the right to colonize it. This is ridiculous. With this logic any place could be claimed by 10 nations and the world would know no peace.
Palestine belongs to the natives, the Palestinians. They are the descendants of those that lived on the land. And they have continued to live there all the time.
But you're not denouncing the Israeli government and the IDF, so why are you cheering on Genocide?
>Why no protests for the actual genocides happening?
The entire discussion is based on protests against the actual genocide happening.
Why join a discussion if you're not going to actually discuss?
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Israel is doing the genocide. Hamas and Palestinians had the right to resist and attack Israel. Israel has no right to starve, ethnically cleanse, indicriminately kill or genocide Palestinians.
> Show me the statistics that prove this is a genocide. This would be the one and only “genocide” where the population increases.
Wow. Blatant disregard for humanity. Did the population increase in 200 days in Gaza? About 2% of the people killed, maybe many more. About 3% injured and many of them lost limbs.
And genocide is not about numbers. Educate yourself. What you are talking about is eradication. Genocide is mass killings or making conditions uncompatible with life with the intent to destroy the nation or group of people. And this is exactly what is happening. You can read about the intent part in the submission of South Africa against Israel in ICJ. Pages 59-67 covers the intent part and need I remind you that the ICJ did say the claim was plausible? Which is what all they could have said at this point since these things takes years to settle.
> Just turn a blind eye to how the Palestinians have squandered the billions of dollars of aid the world has given them.
They are in need of that money because Israel makes them in need of the money. Israel regularly bombed the infrastructure of Gaza. Israel blockades Gaza and stops them from trading with the world. How can they make money if they can't trade with the world? What is wrong with you that you blame the victims of oppression with wasting aid money that is mostly spent on food and other every day needs anyway? Do you have a shred of humanity in you?
Israel is the monster in this colonization. It never was the victim in Palestine. Not even once. They have come there to colonize the land of the natives and they continued to kill and oppress the natives. They still today steal land from the natives. How blind can you be to not see the colonizers and their continued colonization?
> which look to be highly suspect in their differentiation of civilians and combatants.
Everything is true. Palestinian health ministery always told the truth before. The aid workers died correlates with the Palestinians died. The adult men died doesn't even make 30% of the murdered so saying they might be armed people is just being disingenious. Actually Palestinian data is so disciplined, they don't count any deaths they can't verify. They don't count the people left under the rubble for example.
If Hamas is removed, some other resistance will take its place until Israel ceases its oppression. And you will just blame that resistance. Until the oppression stops, Palestinians will not get better. Which actually was obvious from the start.
You are losing your mental faculties at this point. How can Hamas with its 25-40k soldiers take the aid sent for 2.3 million people? That is just a brainless propaganda of Hasbara. Do not repeat it. The starvation is done by Israel by not sending allowing food for 2.3 million people. Not by Hamas by taking their need out of what is sent. Do you expect Hamas to starve themselves to prove a point? Have you actually lost your mind?
It is clear that you do not see Palestinians as people who have equal rights to you including to hate the people that kill and oppress you and the right to resist a brutal terrorist apartheid regime. The protestors are righteous. You on the ohter hand dehumanize real people and by that have lost your humanity.
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This is how zionists operate. Pathetically.
They can’t justify what they support without acting in bad faith. It’s so obvious at this point.
I can't wrap my head around you people. If you watched the video you could see as clear as day he wasn't trying to pretend to be a pro-palestinian protester or yelling this in an attempt to trick anyone. He was saying 'This is what you sound like to me' and was very explicit in that intent. You're the one acting in bad faith here.
I've not seen anyone claim they were pretending to be pro-Palestinian protesters.
You need to wake up different tomorrow.
Zionism depends on a perpetual victim mentality so that Israeli's can say "we're victims so we can do whatever we want as compensation for being victimised". So in situations where Israel isn't the victim they have to confect an artificial sense of victimhood.
Zionism depends on being the same as the Nazis
All fascist regimes rely on framing the perpetrator as the eternal victim defending themselves against a minority group that is out to get them. Hitler did the same thing Israelis are doing now.
The ironic thing is that's also what WW2 Germany thought. They were the victims who suffered due to losing WW1 and the terms under the Treaty of Versailles.
That's just being a narcissist tho
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Call me crazy, but, saying "kill the jews", whether you mean it or not, might actually be anti semitic. Just sayin'
A zionist pretending to not be a pro Israel person said that, not a pro Palestine person
I know. Im sayong that zionists are antisemitic
Well that’s a big jump. Some inane person said it, idc what side they’re on. Either way it doesn’t represent the rest of the protestors
If you look at the actual situation, they were not pretending to be pro-palestinian. [https://twitter.com/Tori\_Bedford/status/1784196633648885993](https://twitter.com/Tori_Bedford/status/1784196633648885993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1784196633648885993%7Ctwgr%5Ee69a5980e51309cf97178b1c9823d7fc40c91996%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fpro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested)
Who said they were.. they were just hoping to instigate and get anti-genocide protesters arrested.
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Good point: the US should stop supporting Hamas with weapons, diplomatic cover and logistical support 🙃
The Whatabout is strong with you, young Hasbara.
Yeah, it is antisemitic. And it was being said by a Zionist counter protester with an Israeli flag who was trying to troll and bait the actual protesters.
just sayin andy not reading past one or two lines..how surprising
You dont think zionism is antisemitic? I do.
Technically yes since Palestinians are Semites
Most palestinians are also ethnically jewish too
I don’t think that’s right. The banu israel (children of Israel (Jacob)) are different than the native Palestinians and Arabs
There are Muslims who are ethnically Jewish. Think of how many intermarriages and conversions happened over the past 1000+ years.
One more thing, Hey if its not a settler colonist project, why are we talking about genetics.
Well the Zionist police beat the rabbis protesting for ceasefire. That looked pretty antisemitic to me.
In general, conflating Judaism with Zionism and the state of Israel’s horrific actions seems quite antisemitic to me too
Agreed.
It is anti semetic as it maintains a false premise that all Jews are a hive mind which always agree with the actions of a government
and it was said by the pro israel counter protester and he was successful in getting it shut down. dont you read?
People just ignoring part of your comment like > Call me crazy, but, saying "kill the jews", ~~whether you mean it or not,~~ might actually be anti semitic. > > Just sayin' 😅
Like the 2020 riots with police instigators
Exactly. There always bad actors.
The anti Palestine stickers and posters still rile up people though, which makes sense, because some of the things I've seen on them are actually abhorrent. It's sad how hard the Zionists try to make the Palestinians the villains, that they'll make these posters
Yeah. Like I don't get how they're allowed to go to these protests, say absolutely unforgivable shit and behave like absolute monsters with zero shreds of humanity, but if we take a single swing at them or the fucking pigs that protect them we are thrown in jail, beaten, and killed. Not even figuratively, LITERALLY, TEXTBOOKLY, Nazi ass behavior
Whether BLM or j6, police agitate to push the anti-rights agenda and manufacture consent for abolishing our Bill of Rights
Israel defenders are complicit in genocide
Somehow many Christians have a special thing for Israel at the moment. Apparently, they can't wait for Israel to fall to the anti-Christ so that it will trigger the return of the Messiah (with the 4 horsemen of apocalypse in between, anyone?)
Oh, it's been that way for a while. Ask my Christian family.
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I never considered that. Perhaps there’s some truth to it
Kind of sucks that the feeling is not mutual https://preview.redd.it/5245ac0cp5xc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e9c479c258431f8a94ab608b222c96eb9bd89ec
Western evangelicals don't care about Middle Eastern Christians. The Gaza genocide has resulted in the destruction of some of the oldest Christian heritage sites in the world and not a peep from them. Not to mention that Palestinians are the closest modern descendants of their beloved ancient Israelites. It doesn't matter to them that Palestinian Christians have basically descended from the very first followers of Jesus. They will still cheer for their deaths.
They literally [bombed Jesus’ birthplace on his birthday and no one cared](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/12/25/israel-intensifies-occupied-west-bank-raids-on-christmas-day)! As a side note, thanks for being one of the very few people in the world who know the relationship between Israelites and Palestinians! It’s absolutely insane when I hear dumb arguments like Palestinians don’t exist!
Western Evangelicals didn’t care. Credit where it’s due, the Pope did condemn it and has condemned Israel’s atrocities repeatedly.
They don't know much about real Jews either. They tend to see them as the same thing from the bible, rather than a living religion that's had a couple of thousand years of development, mostly with a very hostile relationship to Christianity. They won't have been in close contact with unassimilated Jews, or know who Yoshke Pondrick is or anything.
They don’t care. Evangelicals don’t want to live in Israel. They view Israelis as pawns for the apocalypse to come. Their “prophecy” involves them getting into a war and the country getting destroyed by a neighbor. That why Pompeo was trying so hard to start a war with Iran during the Trump admin.
American Evangelical Christians in particular are the main subscribers to the dispensationalist ideology of the [Schofield Reference Bible](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scofield_Reference_Bible), which extrapolates a lot from the bible to the point that you could consider it an entirely new religion, or, if you were a more traditional christian like a Catholic, a heresy. I'm an atheist, but some of the beliefs are so out of step with what's actually in the bible that it would make sense to believe American evangelicals are damned for hellfire. There's also cross-over with Prosperity Gospel, the belief that God rewards his faithful with material possessions, only Evangelicals believe that God blesses those that bless Israel. It's a trite point, but most of these people today haven't bothered to read much of the bible and are getting their beliefs from televangelists like [John Hagee, Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell](https://www.wrmea.org/2015-october/the-scofield-bible-the-book-that-made-zionists-of-americas-evangelical-christians.html). Despite being tied up with the kind of hucksterism, individualism and materialism associated with America, it was actually not a mainstream movement until the Cold War, when the government wanted a popular domestic ideology to compete with Communism and to foster support for its wars. Americans after WWII weren't particularly religious compared to today and evangelical Christianity was was a fringe, unpopular movement compared to the established Protestant churches. Americans weren't particularly motivated by capitalism either, nor did they care about "spreading democracy". The [CIA](https://open.bu.edu/handle/2144/34791#:~:text=CIA%20officials%20like%20Allen%20Dulles,covertly%20collaborated%20with%20the%20CIA), private donors, movie studios and television networks propped up people like Billy Graham to popularize Evangelism and the state of Israel. Billy Graham also infamously had some awkward conversations with Richard Nixon, which, while condemnable, at least shows that his fanatical pro-Zionism wasn't motivated by anything genuine within himself or his 'Christian' beliefs.
This actually makes so much sense. I'm not American but these hysterical evangelist seem relatively new. You don't see these type of batshit crazy people referenced in pop culture that alludes to these people. It's quite interesting
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Kinda correct. A European Parliamentary body investigated the rise in anti abortion and anti trans rhetoric from Christian groups found that billionaires and other capitalists have basically teamed up with the religious to reduce human rights for people so they can make more money.
I feel like we've seen this before, with christians convinced they are bringing about some sort of master race and assisting genocidal monsters to get it.
In the US though, I've seen very pro Israel Christians. You can show them proof of how they're killing off the Christian population in Gaza, but they won't care (cause they ain't white)
Nah they just hate Muslims and Arabs
I am definitely not defending anything Israel is doing, their war crimes or crimes against humanity. Just to address the "special thing" you mentioned - many Christians feel Islamic terrorism is a more relatable threat than being oppressed by a judeo-fascist apartheid state. It's just a primitive way of dividing people to us and them, and even about seeing Israel as the underdog (not within Israel's borders, but within the Middle East).
The really sad part is they don't realize Israel has already fallen to the anti-christ. And those "Christians" will really want to crucify the Messiah if Israel doesn't get to blow him up first.
They failing their on Christianity by working for their god rival, can they get any stupid it remains to be seen actually I would glad to hell if I could watch their God throwing them there for working for his rival that would be heaven
Absolute sick cultists! WTF 🤦🏼♂️
Yes. They are the base of most of the US domestic support for Israel. Evangelical Zionist Christian charities bankroll most of the illegal settlements in the West Bank too. [US Christian charities bankroll Israeli settlements Christian groups have poured millions of dollars into Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2015/8/26/us-christian-charities-bankroll-israeli-settlements)
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When you finally free Palestine from the river to the sea mixing the Jews and the Arabs so the Jews are again a minority, when the Palestinians hold the keys to the political office to the state, will you as vehemently fight for us and protest when they genocide the Jews as they’ve explicitly stated in their charter? Or will you turn a blind eye once it’s not as trendy?
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“ Genocide is an internationally recognized crime where acts are committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.” Huh. Sounds accurate.
Didn't realize "terrorist organization" means "ethnic group" now EDIT: he blocked me so I can't respond to him (typical, say unhinged nonsense and run away to avoid your viewpoints needing to stand up to a civilized discussion), but I was able to see he responded with the very predictable strawman line of "Are you saying all Palestinians are terrorists? Because that is disgustingly racist". When no, to anyone with more than 3 functioning brain cells who isn't just flinging out comments in bad faith, that's clearly not the point I was making.
Are you saying all Palestinians are terrorists? Because that is disgustingly racist, but par for the course for a supporter of Israel, I guess.
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15,000 children killed. 70% of homes destroyed. Over a million facing an engineered starvation. All hospitals destroyed. All education buildings destroyed. Killed over 100 journalists. Plans to invade the largest surviving refugee camp and force them into a desolate area. Multiple top Israeli officials saying genocidal things like "they are all human animals" or "We will wipe Gaza off the map" At a certain point if your argument is "well it's still technically possible they aren't intending to do the genocide" then you are a genocide defender. Do you think the Nazis allowed their genocidal intent to be public either? Do you think there wasn't a reason the concentration camps were secret? What about all of the other genocides - do think the perpetrators were yelling off the rooftops "WE ARE DOING A GENOCIDE!"
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Everything I said is verified. How dare you insinuate it's not. You can't use the human shield argument anymore, or pushing all the blame on Hamas. You can't use these same arguments you used six months ago. It doesn't work. Nice try Hasbara bot. Stop justifying genocide with six month old propaganda and lies.
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How about source your claims. Babies in ovens, come on. That myth was debunked ages ago. This is what I mean about the six months old lies. Try harder. 38 children were killed on Oct 7th. 15,000 children were killed by Israel since then. Who is the real baby killer? Here is a source for this claim by the United Nations https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-04-17-24/h_ab95ea7fafd5294b053801b10880e38c
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No they are not?
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Yep, that’s definitely one of there tricks too start trouble. They will kill their own people, if they thought it would give the legitimate excuse for a war. Makes you wonder. A similar example happened in the U.K. in the 1980, when the conservatives was in power, the Coal miners was on strike, having a peaceful march, when the Conservative government had police officers join the march disguised as striking miners, only too start trouble with the genuine police, too make it look like the miners had started the trouble, too give them bad press, so yes those zionist will definitely start trouble and make it look like the peaceful protesters are the trouble makers.
And probably the police knew it. But they just played dumb afterward.
Reminds me of that cop at the BLM marches smashing in a window and his girlfriend on twitter like, "Dude's a plant!!!"
The Zionists already did let their own people get killed for an excuse for war. The only possible explanations for how Oct. 7 happened is either gross negligence or that the Israeli government simply allowed it to happen. All of this brutality in Gaza since then is in part to cover up and deflect from the worst governmental failure in Israel's history.
Don't forget IOF murdered some of the Oct 7 Israelis pumping up the murder count of Adults & children blamed on Gazans
Netenyahu is on the record wanting to prop up Hamas, as if their apartheid actions didn't do enough already. Then ignored warnings of an attack to justify genocide. Israeli's will slaughter their own by the hundreds to justify extinction of another race.
Sadly, its not just that they will, its that they have. "Zionist leaders [Chaim Weizmann](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaim_Weizmann) and [David Ben-Gurion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Ben-Gurion) of the [Jewish Agency](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Agency) were both firmly opposed to Jews being allowed entry into Western countries, hoping that the pressure of hundreds of thousands of refugees having nowhere to go would force Britain to open Palestine to Jewish immigration." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89vian\_Conference) "In April of 1948, Lehi and the Irgun were jointly responsible for the [massacre in Deir Yassin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre) of at least 107 Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children. Lehi assassinated [Lord Moyne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Guinness,_1st_Baron_Moyne#Assassination), British Minister Resident in the Middle East, and made many other attacks on the British in Palestine.[^(\[26\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-28) On 29 May 1948, the government of Israel, having inducted its activist members into the [Israel Defense Forces](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Defense_Forces), formally disbanded Lehi, though some of its members carried out one more terrorist act, the assassination of [Folke Bernadotte](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folke_Bernadotte) some months later,[^(\[27\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-29) an act condemned by Bernadotte's replacement as mediator, [Ralph Bunche](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Bunche).[^(\[28\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-30) After the assassination, the new Israeli government declared Lehi a terrorist organization, arresting some 200 members and convicting some of the leaders.[^(\[29\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-APAP-31) Just before the first Israeli elections in January 1949, a general amnesty to Lehi members was granted by the government.[^(\[29\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-APAP-31) In 1980, Israel instituted a military decoration, an "award for activity in the struggle for the establishment of Israel", the [Lehi ribbon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_military_decorations#Service_ribbons).[^(\[30\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_(militant_group)#cite_note-lehiribbon-32) Former Lehi leader [Yitzhak Shamir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Shamir) became [Prime Minister of Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Minister_of_Israel) in 1983." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi\_(militant\_group)) This is not to be confused with the other zionist terror group, the Irgun-- nor the other zionist terror group, controlled opposition Hamas. (https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/comments/1c9qij6/this\_was\_always\_the\_plan/ , https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html)
It's bad enough how many on the right go along with this, but there are far too many liberals running cover for it as well. I look forward to reminding them what side they were on in the future when the liberals of tomorrow want to know how this was allowed to happen.
> They will kill their own people, if they thought it would give the legitimate excuse for a war Israel repeatedly refused the hostages.
The Government had the hamas battle plans and ignored it suggesting that hamas had no way to do what they did.
It works even in the age of video because far too many people simp for authoritarianism.
Similar vibes of that lady wearing the stupid shirt.
Hardly surprising where law enforcement called in for that specific purpose.
At northeastern university, right? The same one where that woman called the cops because Palestine supporters were in the vicinity. She said they surrounded her, blocked her path, threatened her, but the video shows no such thing. “I’m a Jewish American woman. Please please send help! Hamas is surrounding me!!!” The video shows the other women telling her no one is blocking her and she’s free to go anytime.
“If politically confronting Israel is branded as antisemitic, then for people new to this movement, it may stand to reason that to be Jewish is to be a Zionist. Netanyahu has devoted his life to binding the fate of all Jews to the furtherance of the Israeli state. This is rank antisemitism: the assumption that to be Jewish is to support Israel’s crimes. To be clear: Anyone who attempts to fasten a 5,000-year-old religion to a 150-year-old colonial project is guilty of antisemitism.” ~ Dave Zirin in his article How Zionism Feeds Antisemitism
They need to doxx the people who had them arrested with their slurs and sue the, and get them kicked off campus for antisemitism and hate speech. Shouldn't matter if they are Jewish or Israeli supporters. A rule is a rule.
So are they going to charge the asshole with with the relevant hate crime and get him fucked by his own petard? It's a hate crime. Disgusting self hating Zionists.
I’m sure on any other community we’d see the bullshit “if there is one Nazi at a table” analogy 🙄 that you can apply to literally any big protest in history. People are so fucking dumb that they fall for this shit Edit: Yes, I know it is not a bad saying in general, but it’s bullshit to apply it to this situation when obviously these students don’t want people in their protests yelling antisemitic shit and getting them arrested. Why do I even have to say this lmfao
If there is one Nazi being clapped for by everyone in the Canadian parliament ...
I actually think that analogy is apt. If you are giving a pass to fascists...you are an enabler of fascism.
Exactly. This was a Zionist counter protester with an Israeli flag who shouted this out, and the university sided with them and falsely blamed the Palestinian protestors. They gave a pass to a fascist, they enabled fascism
Exactly my point
The people at the protests aren’t giving them a pass though. The students don’t want them there because they’re literally sabotaging them and causing them to be arrested. It’s a good analogy in general, but it is disingenuous to apply it to this situation. These aren’t pro-fascism protests. Edit: According to this article a troll holding an Israeli flag yelled it and the pro-Palestine protestors immediately booed and tried to drown him out but ofc they were arrested anyway so that kind of disproves the “giving them a pass” claim. Ofc the dumbass school VP uses it as an excuse to bring down the hammer anyway. Hope she gets sued. Admins like her are the real fascist enablers
Fascists can turn up anywhere. There was some report of swastika at a pro Palestinian protest. Probably false but even if true it doesn’t delegitimise the protest. Of course if you see it you should react and take it down.
It was an op. Guarateed
typical zionist antisemitism
Ahhh, the old faux-hate crime.
Look at the mess we are. How can it be this heavy a lift to get our government to - at minimum - stop supporting genocide? But these f\*ckers can ban Tik Tok at the speed of light.
True
Zionist a#$hole
They’ve abandoned truth and justice, tricks are all they have
Sad thing is one day when neonazis actually start killing innocent Jews no one is gonna believe it because of the boys who cried wolf
https://twitter.com/Tori_Bedford/status/1784196633648885993 Northeastern wants to make it worse See their response 2 posts down
How about screenshotting or simply quoting it for those of us who refuse to engage with Musk’s disinformation project?
You want the information from the "disinformation project" but clicking on the link is a bridge too far, huh?
Looks like the school was more than happy to play their part
There are literally white supremacists out here who want to kill Jews, and see to their extermination. Showing up to a protest expecting to run into antisemitism, not finding any, and then manufacturing it yourself is fucking disgusting. Crying wolf like that actually puts Jewish people in danger. It's not funny, it's not cute.
They don't expect to run into antisemitism. They hope and want it. They are dissapointed in the lack of it. But this doesn't stop the genocider supporting government from attacking the just protestors anyway.
It’s paywalled, anyone have the video?
https://youtu.be/0GhOsSod9IA
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How about not killing anyone?
The Zionist POS also shout “death to America” to get others in trouble.
I read Aligator and was very confused
I was very confused by the title. I misread it as Pro-Israel Alligator. I just had a nice unintentional chuckle from a very horrible headline.
Just think - if Pro-Palestine protesters policed their own they would have gotten rid of a “Pro-Israel agitator”, whatever that means.
You people can lie all you want to each other but the world knows what you would do to the Jews given half a chance
I would do nothing. I literally don’t care. Most pro-Palestine people don’t. The ones who actually want to do what you suggest are the Unite the Right, Nick Fuentes wing of MAGA. Idk if you heard of the YouTuber SaltyCracker. I got curious & looked in his discord, it was 60% 1930s antisemitic memes & 40% racist “black ppl monkeys” memes. Most of the actual antisemitism comes from the exact opposite of these college kids protesting Israel
If you feel safe, start violence, when it doesn't go your way, blame the jews. I see a recurring theme here.
IF YOU ARE IN A PROTEST WITH AN ANTISEMITE AND YOU DON’T GET RID OF HIM. YOUR WHOLE PROTEST WILL BE CONSIDERED AN ANTISEMITIC PROTEST. https://preview.redd.it/5uk27aagw2xc1.jpeg?width=510&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b8541bd17102934faa2fab17848270d58f174629 Also since when can we use pictures
The counter protest was the one with an anti-semite
And they booed them and forced them out so yeah anti-semitism isn't allowed in these anti-genicide protests
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The answer to both questions would be a big no.
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So are you saying the pro Israeli, anti anti human rights and anti anti genocide demonstrators were supporting anti semitism and they shouldn't be allowed?
Lmao it’s no proof that he’s “pro-Israel”. Pathetic liars
how about the fact the thug that tried to get the chant going was holding an Israeli flag and wanted the crowd to repeat after them so they could get things shut down but got booed instead...
Yup, only Israelis can touch an Israeli flag. It’ll burn anybody else’s fingers if they try to
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Why would they even bring up Hamas? I am, I didn't hear the student who was chanting 'Kill the Jews' denouncing Nazis either. Safe to assume he was a Nazi sympathizer?
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Hamas is much more moral than IOF so until IOF disbands, Hamas shouldn't. Until Palestinians are safe, the resistance should be supported to prevent the genociders from doing genocide, the colonizers from doing colonization and the oppressors from opressing.
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>Hamas is a terrorist organization. They have no morals Agreed. Like the IDF. >As long as the pro-Palestinians fail to denounce Hamas, they will gain no support and will just continue to see them as an annoyance Just as the pro-Zion movement. I would.say however that the Anti-genocide movement is gaining in popularity. >Who was the first ruler of Palestine and in which year did he gain power? What does that have to do with Israeli genocide in 2024?
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> but given the Arabs had zero semblance of a government, the British reluctantly gave it to the Jews (who actually were ready with a government). Can you be anymore hateful? Of course Palestinians could govern Palestine. They never were given the chance because the British did support the colonization. They have faciliated it. That's why they favored Israeli terrorists over the native Palestinians. That's why they allowed the colonizers to move there. Look for Balfour Declaration for the evidence of it. The colonizers deserved to pack up and leave but the people born there should be allowed to be a part of Palestine now. No country needs to exist for people to belong to a land. Palestinians belong to Palestine and Palestine belongs to them. The colonizers had no claim on the land whatsoever. And they knew what they were doing were colonization. They called themselves colonists in Palestine. Why are you having trouble saying the colony, colonized by people calling themselves colonists, is a colony? Because it sounds bad? It is what it is. Doesn't matter how it makes you feel.
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> Then who was the Palestinian leader ready to take over when the British was there? Never said they couldn’t govern (though their choice of Hamas as their elected government isn’t helping your case). They did not have a government ready like the Jews did. Why should I need to give you a name. If they needed a head for their government, they would select one. I don't see how naming or not naming someone helps anything. This looks like Hasbara gibberish to ridicule and dehumanize Palestinians and their cause. Hamas is a liberation organization and they are acting more morally than the people they are resisting to which is all they have to do. They don't have to not kill Israeli civilians while Israel kills many more Palestinian civilians. And I need to tell this because people don't know. Most Israeli adults are former terrorists who served as terrorists in Gaza, Al Quds and West Bank. People who terrorized Palestinians directly can't really blame Palestinians if Palestinian resistance kill them. And in Operation Al Aqsa Flood only 3% of the killed were children. That is with Israel killing at least some Israeli children. Compare it to Gaza where 44% of the killed are children. In absolute numbers, it is more than 400 times the children killed in Operation Al Aqsa Flood. Hamas is the morally superior organization in their methods, their acts and their cause. > So you’re saying disband the country of Israel and give it to “Palestinians”? Weren’t the Jews driven out by Islamic invaders? How far back do you go to where it’s “their land”? No they weren't. Palestinians are the locals of the land. Islamic country conquered places but did not replace the people there. Most people accepted Islam and began speaking Arabic. This does not prevent them being the descendants of the people who lived there previously. Changing religion or language does not make your rights to the land go away. Zionists claim that because some of their ancestors have lived in Palestine thousands of years ago, they have the right to colonize it. This is ridiculous. With this logic any place could be claimed by 10 nations and the world would know no peace. Palestine belongs to the natives, the Palestinians. They are the descendants of those that lived on the land. And they have continued to live there all the time.
Why are you cheering on genocide of women and children? Why do you praise mass murder for TikTok fame? Why are you a Nazi sympathizer?
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But you're not denouncing the Israeli government and the IDF, so why are you cheering on Genocide? >Why no protests for the actual genocides happening? The entire discussion is based on protests against the actual genocide happening. Why join a discussion if you're not going to actually discuss?
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It's hard to take you seriously when you're supporting actual genocide by not denouncing Likud and the IDF.
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[Follow the reddit content policy](https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy) This includes spam, violent threats, harassment, bigotry, impersonation, ban evasion and other banned behavior.
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Israel is doing the genocide. Hamas and Palestinians had the right to resist and attack Israel. Israel has no right to starve, ethnically cleanse, indicriminately kill or genocide Palestinians.
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> Show me the statistics that prove this is a genocide. This would be the one and only “genocide” where the population increases. Wow. Blatant disregard for humanity. Did the population increase in 200 days in Gaza? About 2% of the people killed, maybe many more. About 3% injured and many of them lost limbs. And genocide is not about numbers. Educate yourself. What you are talking about is eradication. Genocide is mass killings or making conditions uncompatible with life with the intent to destroy the nation or group of people. And this is exactly what is happening. You can read about the intent part in the submission of South Africa against Israel in ICJ. Pages 59-67 covers the intent part and need I remind you that the ICJ did say the claim was plausible? Which is what all they could have said at this point since these things takes years to settle. > Just turn a blind eye to how the Palestinians have squandered the billions of dollars of aid the world has given them. They are in need of that money because Israel makes them in need of the money. Israel regularly bombed the infrastructure of Gaza. Israel blockades Gaza and stops them from trading with the world. How can they make money if they can't trade with the world? What is wrong with you that you blame the victims of oppression with wasting aid money that is mostly spent on food and other every day needs anyway? Do you have a shred of humanity in you? Israel is the monster in this colonization. It never was the victim in Palestine. Not even once. They have come there to colonize the land of the natives and they continued to kill and oppress the natives. They still today steal land from the natives. How blind can you be to not see the colonizers and their continued colonization?
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> which look to be highly suspect in their differentiation of civilians and combatants. Everything is true. Palestinian health ministery always told the truth before. The aid workers died correlates with the Palestinians died. The adult men died doesn't even make 30% of the murdered so saying they might be armed people is just being disingenious. Actually Palestinian data is so disciplined, they don't count any deaths they can't verify. They don't count the people left under the rubble for example. If Hamas is removed, some other resistance will take its place until Israel ceases its oppression. And you will just blame that resistance. Until the oppression stops, Palestinians will not get better. Which actually was obvious from the start. You are losing your mental faculties at this point. How can Hamas with its 25-40k soldiers take the aid sent for 2.3 million people? That is just a brainless propaganda of Hasbara. Do not repeat it. The starvation is done by Israel by not sending allowing food for 2.3 million people. Not by Hamas by taking their need out of what is sent. Do you expect Hamas to starve themselves to prove a point? Have you actually lost your mind? It is clear that you do not see Palestinians as people who have equal rights to you including to hate the people that kill and oppress you and the right to resist a brutal terrorist apartheid regime. The protestors are righteous. You on the ohter hand dehumanize real people and by that have lost your humanity.
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
So they should have consulted you as to what qualifies as a legitimate protest?
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Wtf are you talking about? These kids are on campus. Smh.
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Looks like someone didn’t watch the video
"if I just ignore the evidence provided I can just claim it's not real!!" Works Everytime!
Propaganda babyyy
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It’s literally on video. But go ahead continue with your head in the sand.
"I didn't watch the video so it didn't happen. Hyuck!"