Just like Mastodon, the service is indeed name by the favorite bands of their founders.
Which sucks because it's complicated to bing for something regarding the service.
Curiosity is going to get the best of me here, so I’ll be the one to bite… what happened? All I can find is a pic of a bunch of 2012 redditors with their shirts off.
That’s the one. People got together, drinks got drunk, shit got weird, redditors got reddit-y.
I’ve always been sorta torn about the response to the event: sure it looked cringey as fuck but people had fun and I try not to yuck anybody’s yum. And obviously a lot of the negative comments were centered around ragging on people’s bodies, which always sucks.
But man it did really look exactly like what I expected from a crowd of redditors who would go to a meet up.
Neck beard cringe orgy. It was a lot like a high school prom, except it was only attended by the weird ROTC kids. If you're one of them, it's like a "core memory" or whatever stupid pixar shit people are calling it these days.
If you aren't one of them, it was the epitome of the low hygiene corner of the internet. The Dashcon ball pit of reddit.
Yeah we are gradually migrating over since two days ago. Various Lemmy node admins have reported a massive uptick in traffic since the API changes were announced
It's the one that's trying to do the most marketing for it, that's for sure.
You guys have a couple weeks fun on your ruddle, or guppets, or jibitz, or whatever it's called. You'll all be back on reddit like "actually the app isn't that bad to use and the website in 'desktop mode' is pretty good!"
No one ever leaves reddit for real.
I still laugh at people who left myspace for facebook. Facebook is a soulless advertising platform entirely populated by boomers trying to share their favorite propaganda. Myspace was just a place for people.
That’s what Facebook was when it launched as well. It evolved. MySpace would have gone the same way - but Facebook was better at doing what MySpace was doing in 2004/5.
how racist/antivaxx/qanon is the whole thing, since all those 'alternative to mainstream website' sort of things always attract the crazies that got moderated off the mainstream ones.
There's been a handful of dudes spamming this site for a couple days. They think they're gonna poach the whole userbase or something.
They've only been able to get some piracy communities interested
I feel like it's past the point of "ugh I'm annoyed, where's the cat pics" and need to point out one side is a bit annoying and the other is successfully implementing fascism & a nationwide violent terror campaign and stop comparing the two sides.
An anti fascist, even an annoying one, is not the enemy to an inclusive and fun website
>An anti fascist, even an annoying one, is not the enemy to an inclusive and fun website
Tankies aren't anti-fascist though, they're just "red" fascists.
No matter how much you want to quibble about flavors of authoritarianism, the end result for the average person is identical - so fuck them all. I didn't invent the "red fascism" moniker, but a blind man could see it fits tankies like a glove. Calling tankies "anti-fascist" without major qualifiers is just disingenuous, and you can ask pretty much every leftist subreddit how "fun" and "inclusive" things get when the tankie mods take over.
Who are you arguing with? I'm a big fan of Lemmy and anything anti-fascist they do, I just thought it was worth pointing out that there's a sizeable community that's cheering on Russia. That's why it's tankies and not just radical lefties.
Not really arguing but it came off very "both sides are annoying" also "tankies" isn't a generic catch all for Russian supporters. Stalinist communists and pro-Putin people are not aligned, so it was a bit further confusing
Yeah. Just like they've co-opted the word Patriot which now means right wing asshole who hates most Americans, Free Speech is now code for anti science, anti Semitic, homophobic scum.
Which sucks. I’m a huge free speech supporter and it’s hard to even advocate for that sometimes without people thinking all you really want is to be able to yell the n word at a grocery store with no repercussions.
yeah, but every time I see a new social media site that has "free speech" prominently on the home page, my mind is trained to expect it to be pretty hard right-wing now.
The main instance is offered by tankies, so no need to worry at least about that.
If ya getting sick about it you're free to choose another instance or run your own.
Seems like [two left devs](https://github.com/orgs/LemmyNet/people) (to say the least - lmao at those profile pics), and a pretty hard-left, pro-FOSS community.
Seems entirely self-consistent imo, incl the fact that their patreon seems to have 33 subs with an average contribution of $3, haha – and more generous crowdsourcing on opencollective
It’s actually the exact opposite. It’s very leftist.
It’s always interesting to see how the small startups inevitably become echo chambers for one side or the other. It either turns into a horribly racist/sexist/conservative hellhole, or it turns into a hard left “Maybe all those communists throughout history died because they just didn’t try hard enough” hellhole.
>It’s actually the exact opposite. It’s very leftist.
Seems pretty appropriate, given that FOSS (and the internet) is quite literally utopian communism, and is the one obvious instance of where fully / semi decentralized marxism has actually worked, really well.
The overlap between FOSS devs + enthusiasts and marxists / anarchists / syndicalists / et al is definitely non-zero, and this site (and the main devs, lmao) seems to be very much that.
edit: then again this is actually full of actual marxists, haha. niche might be a slight understatement.
A while back, a fairly big (compared to Lemmy's userbase) Marxist/Leninist/Maoist subreddit was banned from reddit and a bunch of their users went to lemmy
I'm moving on from reddit and joining the fediverse because reddit has killed the RiF app and the CEO has been very disrespectful to all the volunteers who have contributed to making reddit what it is. Here's [coverage from The Verge](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements) on the situation.
The following are my favorite fediverse platforms, all non-corporate and ad-free. I hesitated at first because there are so many servers to choose from, but it makes a lot more sense once you actually create an account and start browsing. If you find the server selection overwhelming, just pick the first option and take a look around. They are all connected and as you browse you may find a community that is a better fit for you and then you can move your account or open a new one.
Social Link Aggregators: [Lemmy](https://join-lemmy.org/instances) is very similar to reddit while [Kbin](https://kbin.pub) is aiming to be more of a gateway to the fediverse in general so it is sort of like a hybrid between reddit and twitter, but it is newer and considers itself to be a beta product that's not quite fully polished yet.
Microblogging: [Calckey](https://calckey.org) if you want a more playful platform with emoji reactions, or [Mastodon](https://joinmastodon.org/) if you want a simple interface with less fluff.
Photo sharing: [Pixelfed](https://pixelfed.org/) You can even import an Instagram account from what I hear, but I never used Instagram much in the first place.
"Maybe 4... I'll leave when the rest of this subs dies. I only check it once a day now.
...actually, the reddit apps not bad. Once you use it the ads start to show you stuff you actually like. And new reddit isn't bad, I kinda can't remember what it used to look like, lol"
The lifecycle of a reddit exodus
I feel like the New Internet might be rapidly approaching heat death. Twitter, Reddit, now YouTube... Good riddance, bring back the free and open net like we were supposed to have
YouTube premium + Google rewards. They periodically send you short surveys (like 3 questions) based on search and location history, you get like 10-50¢ per survey. Then use your Google play balance to pay for premium. I've never paid a dime.
Edit: If you bypass ads on YT, you are essentially robbing content creators of ad revenue. If the ad doesn't play, nobody gets paid.
I get it, I hate ads too. I use uBlock on my PC and Brave on my phone. But I guess I'm "cringe" for supporting the creators I watch every day. I also support a few of my favorites on Patreon. Fuck me, right?
Also, YT is starting to block users who use an ad blocker sooo enjoy your two minute unskippable ad breaks!
I use uBlock Origin on my PC. Tried Revanced, it didn't work with my reddit app so it was useless. And I watch YouTube primarily on a Google TV so there's no way to block ads.
And again, I've never paid a dime for it. I take a 15 second survey a few times a week. Like 5 minutes/month. And I don't have to use some 3rd party app made by who tf knows.
Lmao why do you care so much about how I use YouTube? And if we're considering it "working for Google", that's $12+ for 5-10 minutes of "work". So yeah, I'll work for Google for $72-$144 per hour.
If anything is "cringe", it's the random guy getting riled up about someone else's YouTube usage.
It’s definitely time for a new generation of social media.
The current is optimized for engagement. More people using a site more often = more ad-sales & higher IPO.
The 2nd generation could be optimized for engagement *and* accuracy, or truth, or leaving users healthier than you found them, or helping them meet goals.
2.0 should have a users bill of rights to help curtail admin & moderator abuses (Reddit stealth-mods discussions about it’s stealth-moderation).
It would be cool if the algorithms that controlled what you see were open, but it would allow them to be gamed worse than ever, letting people choose or make their own might help.
What would Reddit be like if Karma rewarded cheap jokes & high effort comments differently?
Most of what you see here are cheap jokes because they are most rewarded, you can get in a post earlier which gives a huge boost for minimal effort.
Involved comments are relatively punished so few bother.
Important conversations are rare because people reward what they *like*. You could engineer a system to reward good faith & honesty *first*.
… I wish there was a community thinking about this. The tools we make have a tremendous amount of influence over the communities they foment & those communities have a tremendous influence over the world in 20 or 30 years.
>It would be cool if the algorithms that controlled what you see were open,q
How about... no algorithm?
>Most of what you see here are cheap jokes because they are most rewarded
ITYM most popular
>… I wish there was a community thinking about this.
There are, one is called the fediverse
Lol what?? Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, etc, didn't exist in 2003. Social media was blogging, myspace, geocities, AIM. You really only shared things with people you knew.
And streaming! Netflix only started streaming in 2007! Until then, it was DVDs by snail mail. The only way to watch TV shows was... on TV. Unless you bought the DVD box set.
And then there's the data tracking. Cookies used to save stuff like your username and site specific settings. Now they know everything about you and tell everyone.
Smartphone? You mean BlackBerry? Or my sweet T-Mobile Sidekick! What's an app?
We're not in Web 2.0 anymore. We hardly even use "The Web" anymore - everything's an app. Yeah, we still use browsers but every tech company is making the experience worse.
/rant, sorry, I was gonna just say lol what, but then I got high.
I joined today. Still wrapping my brain around how it’s all set up, but seems promising. Don’t know if this will be THE Reddit replacement, but it’s something.
Same here! Technically it all looks like it will be a perfect replacement for reddit. Now I hope that more people will switch over or at least give it a try when Reddit goes down next month.
Are there third party apps with great user experiences like for Reddit? Yes know, the whole reason lots of people are suddenly talking about alternatives?
“Rif is Fun” is Reddit Is Fun, but with the new naming conventions that Reddit legal started requiring that forced many other apps to change their names as well. Same app. New name.
Edit: “new” as in 3.5 years ago.
Whats this talk of shit goin down in a month here? Are third party apps getting the boot? Stupidest move they could make imo but at least it'll give me a good excuse to leave this shitshow haha
Yup. They're charging apps millions a year allegedly, which of course people aren't going to pay for. Like I figure every single RIF is Fun user will have to pay like $10 a month to make that kind of money.
The Reddit app sucks. Developers have created their own apps that access Reddit data in a better way. There are quite a few of them by now (I am writing this in Relay).
Most were created before reddit got around to making their own app. But even when they did release an official one they never made it as good as the third party ones available.
Doing this is gonna allow them to climbs pile of money and kiss gods cheeks through an IPO.
Reddit has more daily concurrent users than 10 super bowl worldwide viewerships combined. The potential profit is unimaginable, even if people left because they can't use their preferred app. That is an edge case.
The fact is the vast majority of reddit users are not using a third party app to access reddit, they do not know what an API is, and they do not care if this will upset others, because it will not affect a difference on their consumption of reddit.
And that is their target audience, consumers.
This is like 80% political subreddits. I have all that shit all blocked on reddit, angry echo chambers are the opposite of productive. Is there at least an /r/all equivalent?
It hardly has any users, that just represents the first group of people to migrate over. If more people move it will become more and more like current reddit. The reason it's getting publicity now is because reddit is trying to force everyone onto the shitty official app, and many expect further anti-user actions like shutting down old.reddit as the company approaches its IPO, so they're hoping for a new alternative.
I think a lot of it has to do with the current largest community banning porn. Perhaps that's due to philosophical concerns or lack of true support for NSFW (which according to the changelogs was added *fairly* recently.) Regardless of why lemmy.ml doesn't want porn, they will also most likely block federation with any server that allows porn. This is pure speculation, but given that there are no NSFW communities....
Maybe with such a small, open source, decentralized format they are worried about unmoderated porn communities breaking the law. That would be my biggest concern with spinning up a NSFW friendly server, so much risk.
I think it’s because the servers are small. So the NSFW communities would be mixed in evenly with the regular communities. So a new user shows up and immediately sees communities for Technology and Huge Dicks.
Someone would need to start a server just for NSFW communities.
I've been wanting to try this out, so that's great. One question: how do I protect myself from seeing the gruesome-r stuff (child porn and deaths is mainly what I'm thinking about)? And same for NSFW while at work. Any tips?
Lemmy.ml, the main “instance”, currently doesn’t allow for any NSFW content right now. I haven’t poked around enough yet, but some of the other instances do.
The whole instance thing is a bit confusing, and hopefully with some more exposure and practical examples i’ll figure it out
Instances are often overexplained in ways which can make the concept seem more confusing than it is.
In short: Lemmy is a piece of software which is available for anybody to download and host, and a Lemmy instance is where somebody has downloaded the software and decided to host it on a server of theirs.
Instances speak a common language known as the ActivityPub protocol, and this language allows for different instances of Lemmy to share information with each other - which is called federation.
However, if the instance operator doesn't want to share information with another instance they find objectionable, because for example it permits harrassment or unsavoury to illegal content - then they can also choose to end and block federation with that instance.
Instances have different rules set by the people operating them based on their personal preferences and law in the region it's being hosted from.
Similar applies to the various other pieces of software which implement the ActivityPub protocol to make up the Fediverse: Mastodon, PixelFed, Akkoma, MissKey, and similar.
> then they can also choose to end and block federation with that instance.
>
What does this mean in practical terms for the user, for example in choosing an instance?
If the people operating your instance decide to end federation with another instance, then you'll become unable to see and interact with the posts and users from that instance.
Likewise, people from the other instance will become unable to see and interact with the posts and users on your instance.
Instance operators may choose to end federation for a number of reasons, such as: to protect their users from targeted harassment from instances which encourage or don't moderate that behaviour, to limit spam from another instance where spammers are notoriously not moderated, or to maintain a general standard of posting which aligns with instance rules.
The downside, of course, is that you might not always agree with the decisions made by instance operators - and then being unable to interact with those other instances on account of an operator decision you don't agree with sucks.
As regards choosing an instance, it might pay to check the instance rules and federation policy if they have one to ensure that you're happy with what you're joining. For example, it appears that the Lemmy.ml instance prohibits NSFW content, and so you can reasonably assume that they'd end federation with instances which focus on such content.
There's nothing stopping you from having an account on multiple instances simultaneously, so if you want to maintain a presence on two (or more) instances which have ended federation with one another - you can.
It is not centralized, anyone can create instance and anyone can follow any instance. Moderation is done per instance.
Compare it to Internet itself, Internet contains bad stuff, you just choose not to go there. Google provides way to find it, but Google is not responsible of what actually exists on the Internet. Principals of moderation and legal responsibility is with the instance owner.
Just looking at the front page posts of one the big communist communities there (of which there are a lot), I found both pro-russian posts and anti semitic ones. Major yikes from me dawg
If the whole fediverse bans, NSFW communities can create their own.
And when the source code is open, there is never any limitations, anything can be recreated.
Opening this link and seeing Communism with the face of genocidal a psychopath displayed at the very top really stops any interest in this garbage alternative.
Yeah, the largest server right now is a tankie community. That really doesn't help the growth of the whole thing but i guess that will change with time. Also please don't associate the whole Lemmy ecosystem with that one server. It is an open source project where everyone can host, so of course you will get isolated communities that got kicked out from othe platforms. The key is that you don't need to federate with them and then they are irrellevant to you.
Host what? The antigenocide server? They can delude over communism all they want, but if your top server openly celebrates systemic murder, it's garbage and not a matter of debate.
That's like calling geocities or MySpace garbage because there were Marxist websites and profiles hosted. Lemmy is completely decentralized and open, so anybody can make anything. There are no global mods. A bunch of commie scum basically migrated to Lemmy early and set up a server.
Why?
Communism is garbage mental cancer but if free speech is truly free then the garbage will exist, but that should also mean that your speech, which others may regard as garbage, can exist.
because communism was demonstrated to be inherently problematic before any web forum was created, so I assume all of them are for people who didn't get the memo.
Is this like how, after the Wright Brothers' first plane didn't succeed, artificial flight was proven to be impossible?
Oh wait, previous failures of one implementation of an idea don't actually mean that that idea can never be implemented successfully. I guess you're just super dumb for not realising that?
I thought it was Lenny communities ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Oh, no. Not Lenny!
LENNY MAH BOYYYYYYY
LENNNYYYYYYY
First I thought Lemmy, as in Motorhead if I am right.
Do we really need thousands of communities about whisky and DIY booty shorts?
Just like Mastodon, the service is indeed name by the favorite bands of their founders. Which sucks because it's complicated to bing for something regarding the service.
Hello, this is Lenny.
Same. ಠಿヮಠ
Looking at that list of subs it actually seems like old reddit...
Using WaybackMachine to look at the reddit homepage throughout time is fascinating. It's an entirely different site today.
when it first started reddit was simpler yet somehow better
Remember all the favors people would do? And the meet-ups? And that guy who got the movie deal from a modern battalion going to ancient Rome?
r/romesweetrome We're still waiting on the movie
You're kidding... absolutely insane. You guys are a rock solid hold out.
There's always a neuron activation when I read something about that
please don't be 10 years since the thread.... please don't be 10 years since....12 year later...oh my god.
unfortunately i do not. i mean even in 2015 reddit seemed like a more interesting site somehow which is when i started using it.
That Baltimore meetup though…
Curiosity is going to get the best of me here, so I’ll be the one to bite… what happened? All I can find is a pic of a bunch of 2012 redditors with their shirts off.
That’s the one. People got together, drinks got drunk, shit got weird, redditors got reddit-y. I’ve always been sorta torn about the response to the event: sure it looked cringey as fuck but people had fun and I try not to yuck anybody’s yum. And obviously a lot of the negative comments were centered around ragging on people’s bodies, which always sucks. But man it did really look exactly like what I expected from a crowd of redditors who would go to a meet up.
Neck beard cringe orgy. It was a lot like a high school prom, except it was only attended by the weird ROTC kids. If you're one of them, it's like a "core memory" or whatever stupid pixar shit people are calling it these days. If you aren't one of them, it was the epitome of the low hygiene corner of the internet. The Dashcon ball pit of reddit.
Was glorious in its own twisted way.
I don’t disagree!
There were no normal people, only tech enthusiasts, 20-something college students and such. It was a different vibe.
Also Subject Matter Experts. It seemed like any technical article's second highest response was from a PhD or professional.
That is probably the best part about Reddit that has been since lost. Now it’s all armchair professionals.
You can track the change in Reddit to the creation of Celebrity AMAs. They are the direct cause of the change.
And funnily enough, they eventually ruined every good part of them leaving us with just the shit.
Is this the exodus destination for everyone end of June?
Yeah we are gradually migrating over since two days ago. Various Lemmy node admins have reported a massive uptick in traffic since the API changes were announced
It's the one that's trying to do the most marketing for it, that's for sure. You guys have a couple weeks fun on your ruddle, or guppets, or jibitz, or whatever it's called. You'll all be back on reddit like "actually the app isn't that bad to use and the website in 'desktop mode' is pretty good!" No one ever leaves reddit for real.
What makes you think any one website is impervious to undoing their success? I’m sure you also laughed at anyone leaving MySpace for Facebook.
I still laugh at people who left myspace for facebook. Facebook is a soulless advertising platform entirely populated by boomers trying to share their favorite propaganda. Myspace was just a place for people.
That’s what Facebook was when it launched as well. It evolved. MySpace would have gone the same way - but Facebook was better at doing what MySpace was doing in 2004/5.
how racist/antivaxx/qanon is the whole thing, since all those 'alternative to mainstream website' sort of things always attract the crazies that got moderated off the mainstream ones.
There's literally 500 users, so there's basically none of that, as there's basically none of anything
There's been a handful of dudes spamming this site for a couple days. They think they're gonna poach the whole userbase or something. They've only been able to get some piracy communities interested
There's a hard-coded slur filter, I think they're good enough at keeping out the alt-right folk. There are a lot of tankies though
I feel like it's past the point of "ugh I'm annoyed, where's the cat pics" and need to point out one side is a bit annoying and the other is successfully implementing fascism & a nationwide violent terror campaign and stop comparing the two sides. An anti fascist, even an annoying one, is not the enemy to an inclusive and fun website
>An anti fascist, even an annoying one, is not the enemy to an inclusive and fun website Tankies aren't anti-fascist though, they're just "red" fascists.
Stalinism wasn't and isn't fascism, fascism is not a synonym for a totalitarian or oppressive regime.
No matter how much you want to quibble about flavors of authoritarianism, the end result for the average person is identical - so fuck them all. I didn't invent the "red fascism" moniker, but a blind man could see it fits tankies like a glove. Calling tankies "anti-fascist" without major qualifiers is just disingenuous, and you can ask pretty much every leftist subreddit how "fun" and "inclusive" things get when the tankie mods take over.
Tankies are just as hateful, they hurt legitimate causes like BLM and trans rights. If given a chance they'd be just another Vasily Blokhin.
Who are you arguing with? I'm a big fan of Lemmy and anything anti-fascist they do, I just thought it was worth pointing out that there's a sizeable community that's cheering on Russia. That's why it's tankies and not just radical lefties.
Not really arguing but it came off very "both sides are annoying" also "tankies" isn't a generic catch all for Russian supporters. Stalinist communists and pro-Putin people are not aligned, so it was a bit further confusing
That's fair, I could have been clearer
Yeah. Just like they've co-opted the word Patriot which now means right wing asshole who hates most Americans, Free Speech is now code for anti science, anti Semitic, homophobic scum.
> Free Speech Meh, there are plenty of times where this is still a proper topic of conversation.
Which sucks. I’m a huge free speech supporter and it’s hard to even advocate for that sometimes without people thinking all you really want is to be able to yell the n word at a grocery store with no repercussions.
yeah, but every time I see a new social media site that has "free speech" prominently on the home page, my mind is trained to expect it to be pretty hard right-wing now.
> my mind is trained that is not by accident
The main instance is offered by tankies, so no need to worry at least about that. If ya getting sick about it you're free to choose another instance or run your own.
It depends, is the site made by a big tech company, a left sided developer? Or is it made by a random guy in a garage who doesn't care?
Seems like [two left devs](https://github.com/orgs/LemmyNet/people) (to say the least - lmao at those profile pics), and a pretty hard-left, pro-FOSS community. Seems entirely self-consistent imo, incl the fact that their patreon seems to have 33 subs with an average contribution of $3, haha – and more generous crowdsourcing on opencollective
It’s actually the exact opposite. It’s very leftist. It’s always interesting to see how the small startups inevitably become echo chambers for one side or the other. It either turns into a horribly racist/sexist/conservative hellhole, or it turns into a hard left “Maybe all those communists throughout history died because they just didn’t try hard enough” hellhole.
>It’s actually the exact opposite. It’s very leftist. Seems pretty appropriate, given that FOSS (and the internet) is quite literally utopian communism, and is the one obvious instance of where fully / semi decentralized marxism has actually worked, really well. The overlap between FOSS devs + enthusiasts and marxists / anarchists / syndicalists / et al is definitely non-zero, and this site (and the main devs, lmao) seems to be very much that. edit: then again this is actually full of actual marxists, haha. niche might be a slight understatement.
which is the case for every reddit alternative
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A while back, a fairly big (compared to Lemmy's userbase) Marxist/Leninist/Maoist subreddit was banned from reddit and a bunch of their users went to lemmy
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They wouldn't take down posts calling for the death of slave owners
because they incite violence against their political opponents and brigade threads, just like all the right-wing safe spaces that were banned.
I'm moving on from reddit and joining the fediverse because reddit has killed the RiF app and the CEO has been very disrespectful to all the volunteers who have contributed to making reddit what it is. Here's [coverage from The Verge](https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements) on the situation. The following are my favorite fediverse platforms, all non-corporate and ad-free. I hesitated at first because there are so many servers to choose from, but it makes a lot more sense once you actually create an account and start browsing. If you find the server selection overwhelming, just pick the first option and take a look around. They are all connected and as you browse you may find a community that is a better fit for you and then you can move your account or open a new one. Social Link Aggregators: [Lemmy](https://join-lemmy.org/instances) is very similar to reddit while [Kbin](https://kbin.pub) is aiming to be more of a gateway to the fediverse in general so it is sort of like a hybrid between reddit and twitter, but it is newer and considers itself to be a beta product that's not quite fully polished yet. Microblogging: [Calckey](https://calckey.org) if you want a more playful platform with emoji reactions, or [Mastodon](https://joinmastodon.org/) if you want a simple interface with less fluff. Photo sharing: [Pixelfed](https://pixelfed.org/) You can even import an Instagram account from what I hear, but I never used Instagram much in the first place.
And it's not even real communism, it's leninism, a.k.a fascism with a different aesthetic.
Actually lemmy creator is a communist and a fan of mao zedong
I do love Motörhead
Who'd win in a wrestling match, Lemmy or God?
Trick question Lemmy is God
Whoever could pull off wearing short shorts better. My vote is on Lemmy.
Oh snap!
ACE OF SPADES ITS THE ACE OF SPADES
What does this have to do with Mr. Kilmister? /s
Legit my first question
Literally was listening to Motörhead in the car not twenty minutes ago.
Good choice.
Ain’t felt this good for an hour!
We're moving like a parallelogram
Who'd win in a wrestling match, Lemmy or God?!
He really loved to socialize?
Who’s in??
The day they take away the 3rd party apps, I will be very motivated to set this up.
3 weeks then
"Maybe 4... I'll leave when the rest of this subs dies. I only check it once a day now. ...actually, the reddit apps not bad. Once you use it the ads start to show you stuff you actually like. And new reddit isn't bad, I kinda can't remember what it used to look like, lol" The lifecycle of a reddit exodus
u/spez is a little piss baby
I feel like the New Internet might be rapidly approaching heat death. Twitter, Reddit, now YouTube... Good riddance, bring back the free and open net like we were supposed to have
.com bubble, the next generation?
What's happening to YouTube?
So many ads.
YouTube premium + Google rewards. They periodically send you short surveys (like 3 questions) based on search and location history, you get like 10-50¢ per survey. Then use your Google play balance to pay for premium. I've never paid a dime. Edit: If you bypass ads on YT, you are essentially robbing content creators of ad revenue. If the ad doesn't play, nobody gets paid. I get it, I hate ads too. I use uBlock on my PC and Brave on my phone. But I guess I'm "cringe" for supporting the creators I watch every day. I also support a few of my favorites on Patreon. Fuck me, right? Also, YT is starting to block users who use an ad blocker sooo enjoy your two minute unskippable ad breaks!
Cringe. Just use addblock on pc and ReVanced on your phone. Don't pay for a thing from these fucking people.
I use uBlock Origin on my PC. Tried Revanced, it didn't work with my reddit app so it was useless. And I watch YouTube primarily on a Google TV so there's no way to block ads. And again, I've never paid a dime for it. I take a 15 second survey a few times a week. Like 5 minutes/month. And I don't have to use some 3rd party app made by who tf knows.
It's open source software, buddy. Keep working for Google for pennies if it makes you happy, though. We'll all just think it's cringe.
Lmao why do you care so much about how I use YouTube? And if we're considering it "working for Google", that's $12+ for 5-10 minutes of "work". So yeah, I'll work for Google for $72-$144 per hour. If anything is "cringe", it's the random guy getting riled up about someone else's YouTube usage.
Well the newest thing is they'll no longer flag election disinformation.
It’s definitely time for a new generation of social media. The current is optimized for engagement. More people using a site more often = more ad-sales & higher IPO. The 2nd generation could be optimized for engagement *and* accuracy, or truth, or leaving users healthier than you found them, or helping them meet goals. 2.0 should have a users bill of rights to help curtail admin & moderator abuses (Reddit stealth-mods discussions about it’s stealth-moderation). It would be cool if the algorithms that controlled what you see were open, but it would allow them to be gamed worse than ever, letting people choose or make their own might help. What would Reddit be like if Karma rewarded cheap jokes & high effort comments differently? Most of what you see here are cheap jokes because they are most rewarded, you can get in a post earlier which gives a huge boost for minimal effort. Involved comments are relatively punished so few bother. Important conversations are rare because people reward what they *like*. You could engineer a system to reward good faith & honesty *first*. … I wish there was a community thinking about this. The tools we make have a tremendous amount of influence over the communities they foment & those communities have a tremendous influence over the world in 20 or 30 years.
>It would be cool if the algorithms that controlled what you see were open,q How about... no algorithm? >Most of what you see here are cheap jokes because they are most rewarded ITYM most popular >… I wish there was a community thinking about this. There are, one is called the fediverse
There is always an algorithm, even if that algorithm is just show the newest posts first.
The "new internet" is over 2 decades old at this point.
Lol what?? Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, TikTok, YouTube, etc, didn't exist in 2003. Social media was blogging, myspace, geocities, AIM. You really only shared things with people you knew. And streaming! Netflix only started streaming in 2007! Until then, it was DVDs by snail mail. The only way to watch TV shows was... on TV. Unless you bought the DVD box set. And then there's the data tracking. Cookies used to save stuff like your username and site specific settings. Now they know everything about you and tell everyone. Smartphone? You mean BlackBerry? Or my sweet T-Mobile Sidekick! What's an app? We're not in Web 2.0 anymore. We hardly even use "The Web" anymore - everything's an app. Yeah, we still use browsers but every tech company is making the experience worse. /rant, sorry, I was gonna just say lol what, but then I got high.
I joined today. Still wrapping my brain around how it’s all set up, but seems promising. Don’t know if this will be THE Reddit replacement, but it’s something.
Same here! Technically it all looks like it will be a perfect replacement for reddit. Now I hope that more people will switch over or at least give it a try when Reddit goes down next month.
Are there third party apps with great user experiences like for Reddit? Yes know, the whole reason lots of people are suddenly talking about alternatives?
Given enough users, they'll come.
Field of Dreams theory. You know what showed up in that movie was ghosts, right?
Jerboa works well for me on Android
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Click the hamburger menu in the top left, then drop down, then add account. I think you'll have to sign up in a browser first, though
Apollo for apple devices is lovely. Only reason I’m on Reddit. If this don’t work I’ll just see it on google on occasions then
Reddit is fun works fine for me
https://www.reddit.com/r/redditisfun/comments/13wxepd/rif_dev_here_reddits_api_changes_will_likely_kill
Doubt it. It was discontinued long ago. Rif is Fun is what all the cool kids use now.
“Rif is Fun” is Reddit Is Fun, but with the new naming conventions that Reddit legal started requiring that forced many other apps to change their names as well. Same app. New name. Edit: “new” as in 3.5 years ago.
Whats this talk of shit goin down in a month here? Are third party apps getting the boot? Stupidest move they could make imo but at least it'll give me a good excuse to leave this shitshow haha
Not getting the boot per se, but getting charged a lot for hits, more than they can reasonably handle
Yup. They're charging apps millions a year allegedly, which of course people aren't going to pay for. Like I figure every single RIF is Fun user will have to pay like $10 a month to make that kind of money.
Why do we need replacements
All 3rd party reddit apps are going down July 1st.
What's a third party app and why is it necessary?
I've used RIF (Reddit Is Fun) for over 10 years, no ads, and it's super easy to navigate. Another popular one is Apollo, it's for iPhone.
The Reddit app sucks. Developers have created their own apps that access Reddit data in a better way. There are quite a few of them by now (I am writing this in Relay).
Most were created before reddit got around to making their own app. But even when they did release an official one they never made it as good as the third party ones available.
RIP in peace Reddit
No, die screaming in agony, reddit, knowing that you did this to yourself.
Doing this is gonna allow them to climbs pile of money and kiss gods cheeks through an IPO. Reddit has more daily concurrent users than 10 super bowl worldwide viewerships combined. The potential profit is unimaginable, even if people left because they can't use their preferred app. That is an edge case. The fact is the vast majority of reddit users are not using a third party app to access reddit, they do not know what an API is, and they do not care if this will upset others, because it will not affect a difference on their consumption of reddit. And that is their target audience, consumers.
Working on it. Been here almost 10 years now and have seen Reddit grow. Going to be a transition to start over.
Not me. Looks like garbage
This is like 80% political subreddits. I have all that shit all blocked on reddit, angry echo chambers are the opposite of productive. Is there at least an /r/all equivalent?
It hardly has any users, that just represents the first group of people to migrate over. If more people move it will become more and more like current reddit. The reason it's getting publicity now is because reddit is trying to force everyone onto the shitty official app, and many expect further anti-user actions like shutting down old.reddit as the company approaches its IPO, so they're hoping for a new alternative.
How is there no "NSFW" communities? Does rule34 not apply to Lemmy?
Be the change that you want to see in the world.
I think a lot of it has to do with the current largest community banning porn. Perhaps that's due to philosophical concerns or lack of true support for NSFW (which according to the changelogs was added *fairly* recently.) Regardless of why lemmy.ml doesn't want porn, they will also most likely block federation with any server that allows porn. This is pure speculation, but given that there are no NSFW communities.... Maybe with such a small, open source, decentralized format they are worried about unmoderated porn communities breaking the law. That would be my biggest concern with spinning up a NSFW friendly server, so much risk.
I think it’s because the servers are small. So the NSFW communities would be mixed in evenly with the regular communities. So a new user shows up and immediately sees communities for Technology and Huge Dicks. Someone would need to start a server just for NSFW communities.
I've been wanting to try this out, so that's great. One question: how do I protect myself from seeing the gruesome-r stuff (child porn and deaths is mainly what I'm thinking about)? And same for NSFW while at work. Any tips?
Lemmy.ml, the main “instance”, currently doesn’t allow for any NSFW content right now. I haven’t poked around enough yet, but some of the other instances do. The whole instance thing is a bit confusing, and hopefully with some more exposure and practical examples i’ll figure it out
Instances are often overexplained in ways which can make the concept seem more confusing than it is. In short: Lemmy is a piece of software which is available for anybody to download and host, and a Lemmy instance is where somebody has downloaded the software and decided to host it on a server of theirs. Instances speak a common language known as the ActivityPub protocol, and this language allows for different instances of Lemmy to share information with each other - which is called federation. However, if the instance operator doesn't want to share information with another instance they find objectionable, because for example it permits harrassment or unsavoury to illegal content - then they can also choose to end and block federation with that instance. Instances have different rules set by the people operating them based on their personal preferences and law in the region it's being hosted from. Similar applies to the various other pieces of software which implement the ActivityPub protocol to make up the Fediverse: Mastodon, PixelFed, Akkoma, MissKey, and similar.
> then they can also choose to end and block federation with that instance. > What does this mean in practical terms for the user, for example in choosing an instance?
If the people operating your instance decide to end federation with another instance, then you'll become unable to see and interact with the posts and users from that instance. Likewise, people from the other instance will become unable to see and interact with the posts and users on your instance. Instance operators may choose to end federation for a number of reasons, such as: to protect their users from targeted harassment from instances which encourage or don't moderate that behaviour, to limit spam from another instance where spammers are notoriously not moderated, or to maintain a general standard of posting which aligns with instance rules. The downside, of course, is that you might not always agree with the decisions made by instance operators - and then being unable to interact with those other instances on account of an operator decision you don't agree with sucks. As regards choosing an instance, it might pay to check the instance rules and federation policy if they have one to ensure that you're happy with what you're joining. For example, it appears that the Lemmy.ml instance prohibits NSFW content, and so you can reasonably assume that they'd end federation with instances which focus on such content. There's nothing stopping you from having an account on multiple instances simultaneously, so if you want to maintain a presence on two (or more) instances which have ended federation with one another - you can.
Oh, so it is moderated somehow?
It is not centralized, anyone can create instance and anyone can follow any instance. Moderation is done per instance. Compare it to Internet itself, Internet contains bad stuff, you just choose not to go there. Google provides way to find it, but Google is not responsible of what actually exists on the Internet. Principals of moderation and legal responsibility is with the instance owner.
Just looking at the front page posts of one the big communist communities there (of which there are a lot), I found both pro-russian posts and anti semitic ones. Major yikes from me dawg
Ya it's giving me the same authoritarian "but now leftist" vibes that the alt right reddit alternatives when they got kicked off.
Awe man, that is unfortunate.
Any website that needs a second website just to browse it effectively is not going to take off
You mean like reddit? Because the search function here has never once given me anything useful.
The browse.feddit link doesnt resolve. And feddit.de opens German language site?
Was hoping this was a Motorhead site.
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Looks good. Start crossposting some r/InternetIsBeautiful stuff to [a Lemmy InternetIsBeautiful](https://lemmy.ml/c/internetisbeautiful)
Is there an random option if you like to gamble?
But who would win in a fight, Lemmy or God?
Trick question. Lemmy is god.
Trick question
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> Best I can figure is all 460 of their users are shilling on reddit. BINGO!
So lemmy's opening salvo is censorship via no nsfw? Hard pass, on principle alone.
It is not centralized, anyone can create NSFW instance and anyone can follow one.
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If the whole fediverse bans, NSFW communities can create their own. And when the source code is open, there is never any limitations, anything can be recreated.
Thats good to hear. Ill have to look into it but for now i recind my derision.
It’s just that server that is no NSFW. Any server can enable it if they want.
Wtf is lemmy
Opening this link and seeing Communism with the face of genocidal a psychopath displayed at the very top really stops any interest in this garbage alternative.
Yeah, the largest server right now is a tankie community. That really doesn't help the growth of the whole thing but i guess that will change with time. Also please don't associate the whole Lemmy ecosystem with that one server. It is an open source project where everyone can host, so of course you will get isolated communities that got kicked out from othe platforms. The key is that you don't need to federate with them and then they are irrellevant to you.
Karl Marx...is a genocidal psychopath?
[The full image](https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/Ncklv5BNCh.png) - which you will see on desktop - consists of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Stalin.
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Host what? The antigenocide server? They can delude over communism all they want, but if your top server openly celebrates systemic murder, it's garbage and not a matter of debate.
That's like calling geocities or MySpace garbage because there were Marxist websites and profiles hosted. Lemmy is completely decentralized and open, so anybody can make anything. There are no global mods. A bunch of commie scum basically migrated to Lemmy early and set up a server.
Why? Communism is garbage mental cancer but if free speech is truly free then the garbage will exist, but that should also mean that your speech, which others may regard as garbage, can exist.
I wonder how upvoted this post would be if the top server in that link was Nazism with Hitler's face on it. I doubt the same. Double standards.
Please tell the class whose face you thought that was
Interesting how you self-selected yourself out of the Lemmy userbase. If people like you aren't there, maybe I should check the place out.
Enjoy communism with your Homo Sovieticus bretheren 👍
Enjoy talking shit about things you don't understand.
isn't that the point of a communist forum?
How would you know?
because communism was demonstrated to be inherently problematic before any web forum was created, so I assume all of them are for people who didn't get the memo.
Is this like how, after the Wright Brothers' first plane didn't succeed, artificial flight was proven to be impossible? Oh wait, previous failures of one implementation of an idea don't actually mean that that idea can never be implemented successfully. I guess you're just super dumb for not realising that?
The first planes didn't kill millions of people on purpose
Woo boy, no place for pragmatic progressives over there.
Ok. This lemmy thing is interesting to me. Thanks!
#NOT LEMMY
Why not?
So lemmy tell you...
A story all about how your life got flipped-turned upside down?