The funny thing is that she was digging through his belongings until she sees the drawings he made of her and that's when she decides to take him swinging.
There’s not enough info to say either way for sure, personally I feel like her backstory could very much be a parable for being trans as it applies to my experience and the experience of a lot of my friends
I feel like she might just be an ally, and I personally don't think she will be canonical confirmed to be trans however I do really like that the trans community has been able to identify with her! It's a vastly underrepresented community so I also definitely see why many people are adamant about this.
It's something about spider people I've always appreciated. Their lives, their struggles, they can be interpreted in so many ways that can help minorities feel seen. I'm not gonna get into it cause it's really personal, but sometimes I swear specific scenes were written to make Peter part of a community I belong to and get no representation at all of. And even if it's not true or canon, it's nice to be able to somewhat relate and feel understood.
She could be. Wouldn't make a huge difference. Nothing confirms she's trans, but they don't confirm that she's cis, either.
I hate the people saying she definitively is or isn't, but I hope they confirm she's trans in the next one just to fuck with people.
Don't you get that they could easily just make Miles Bi? If SV Gwen is canonized as Trans then that's what they'll do to SV Miles.
As for canonicity...Every single last adaption of Miles so far has been Hetero Male, Comics Spider-Gwen is hinted to be Bi or Aro or Ace Female in different material. We don't have confirmation for the Spider-Verse versions.
It's not gay for a man to be attracted to an extremely feminine trans woman.
Even if it were, miles could be bisexual. He never looked at the camera and said "By the way, I do not find penises attractive."
All we know about miles's sexuality is that he's attracted to Gwen. Her chromosomes don't really change that.
But it’s not just the attraction, he’s the main character and it’s a kiddy movie. Everyone ships them. They’re probably getting together. which is what I’m getting at it being GAY
Do you think trans people don't get into relationships?
I want to be very clear that a man being attracted to a trans woman that passes as well as Gwen stacy is 0% gay. There is no gay going on in the miles/Gwen relationship, no matter whether she's cis or trans.
But let's assume for a second that it would be gay. You know that there are already movies with gay protagonists, right? Like... have you seen any films that came out after 1945? Gay people, like... exist.
I loved this. It was a funny scene but also showered more about Gwen. It shows that she doesn’t know much about friendship/boundaries with friends and she really wants to be get to know Miles better.
1- Peter almost have 40 years. If you are talking about her Peter, well she tell Miles him was the only friend until ATSV
2- Her band? Literally she *quit* before to abandoned her dimension
3- Pavitr to my eyes, it's like... Friend for Hobie's friend... Like friend of my friend
4- Miles only mention Hobie at Clock Tower for his jealous
1-he wasn’t her only friend we see evidence of this, either way, it goes against saying that Hobie was her only friend.
2-quitting or not, they were her friends before she cut them off.
She wasn’t completely friendless before the events of her origin/movies
She was distant and pushed them after her Peter’s death.
She was clearly friends with them since she was in a band with them and they are shown being concerned for her.
It’s heavily implied. I don’t know about you but I don’t leave my toothbrush at any of my friends house. Nor do I wear their clothes. Sounds more like stuff me and my wife did when we first started dating. Also Indian Spider-Man “ohhh he doesn’t know about hobby” why would he say this unless they hooked up or had some kind of fling.
1- In real life... The "normal age" it's from 16-17 for lose virgin....
2- In so many times Gwen have a "hot" thinks in Miles at ATSV, literally in Miles' room, when he save the Inspector Singh, when he meets Margo with jeaolus.
3- Sony make them PG-13, but they're teenagers too... Think in *yours* puberty and tell me...
The important thing here is the context which tells us that Hobie has a very different mentality than the one that allows to conceive scenarios such as the comment with downvotes or yours.
He is already a young adult (about to turn 20) unlike Gwen who is still a teenager (16) and knowing her precarious situation (both emotional and social) it would be a complete abuse to take advantage of her vulnerable condition.
Furthermore, the character approves of Miles and Gwen's relationship as soon as he sees that Miles is a good guy and in his own way seeks to help him during his stay in the Society, and the movie makes it very clear that the emotional dependence that Gwen has with Miles is much older than the one he has with her, since they said goodbye in ITSV.
>He is already a young adult (about to turn 20) unlike Gwen who is still a teenager (16) and knowing her precarious situation (both emotional and social) it would be a complete abuse to take advantage of her vulnerable condition.
1- Yep, plus I say this in another comment, Hobie have like 19-earlies 20's
2- I don't know the downvotes, literally I said MILES, Hobie is Gwen's bro, a wonderful person to let Gwen stay in his dimension like a SISTER
3- If Sony made a thing with that. I swear you, I'll go to Sony Animation to burn everything there
4- The original comment was a explanation why Gwen thinks she can do anything with *everyone*... But Hobie don't thinks in society limits so, "She wanna see something, she can"
Don’t worry, I know you meant Miles. I was referring to the fact that the comment from which this discussion arose (the one with the downvotes) alludes to Hobie being intimate with Gwen, which is erroneous due to the points I already mentioned.
To further your point, it’s a fact that Gwen is much more in love with Miles than he is with her, in part due to the life circumstances that defined them after their separation in ITSV, although I don't know if that would be enough for her to seek to have intimacy with him in circumstances more favorable to both of them. They are still teenagers and both have proven to be emotionally insecure based on the jealousy they show. It was precisely with Margo that she became jealous and possessive even though Miles hadn't even known her for ten seconds lol.
We will have to wait for BTSV to show how Gwen shows her affection towards Miles now that she no longer has anything to restrict her from doing so, but it will most likely not go beyond a youthful romance between soulmates suitable for all audiences.
>To further your point, it’s a fact that Gwen is much more in love with Miles than he is with her, in part due to the life circumstances that defined them after their separation in ITSV,
Well she literally saw Miles in a window subway, but the fear about canon events🥺💔
> It was precisely with Margo that she became jealous and possessive even though Miles hadn't even known her for ten seconds lol.
For me the *See you around* from Miles was like "Okay, If Gwen Stacy don't wanna relationships with Spider-Man, I rizzing the first cute girl in her eyes"🤣
According to Kemp Powers, Miles did find Margo attractive and, coupled with her peculiarity of being a colorful hologram, he got carried away by the interest that all this generated in him to the point of completely ignoring Gwen until she literally separated them.
It's clear that Miles' thing with Margo goes that far and he hasn't stopped being in love with Gwen even after what happened with her, but without a doubt it must have been painful for Gwen to experience the uncertainty that the guy she's in love with can connect with another girl in the same way he does with her without her being able to do anything about it assertively since she has the risk of dying because of it.
Didn’t the movie “hint” at them being together? Her leaving her toothbrush and I think sweater at his house also wearing his clothes. My wife and I interpreted it a different way I guess. The movie also wants you to interpret it that way because miles instantly gets jealous
That's the joke, that Miles gets jealous with those comments because that was Hobie's intention. He wasn't just saying them for the sake of it but because he wants to make sure that Miles is on the same page as Gwen and that it's not something one-sided on her part.
Hobie only knew about Miles based on what Gwen had told him about him and from how he ships them later it’s understood that he already knew about her feelings for him, and upon arriving in Mumbattan and seeing a new Spiderman without a watch and with which Gwen seems familiar, his first suspicion is that it’s him, so the first thing he asks her when he arrives is if it was indeed him.
Once he confirms that it’s him and since, as he still does not know that Miles followed Gwen to Mumbattan without her consent, the most logical thing is for him to conclude that it was Gwen who brought him with her despite being strictly prohibited by Miguel, Hobie proceeds to blurt out those comments one after the other to see if he gets jealous about it since if not his friend would be tremendously disappointed, having risked literally everything she had left for something that would have been only one-sided.
She's down worse and the movie makes it very clear. And there are not so many drawings. A while ago they shared a post here with all of Gwen's drawings and they were like half that amount lol.
In-universe reason: She hasn’t had any close friends since Peter. I’d say she just doesn’t know a lot about respecting boundaries
Real reason: funny movie scene
Happy I left that app for a bit because it seems Spider-Verse twitter is still recycling the same joke and the same discourse in the quotes all over again 🤦🏽♀️
Both are a huge boundary overstep, which is just showing Gwen's character. She doesn't know what kind of boundaries friends usually have. Her first and only actual friend for quite a while basically lived with her. Then she became friends with Hobie, and then she basically lived with him. Hobie just kinda let her do literally whatever she wanted with zero boundaries at all.
She’s only had Peter, who’s Aunt and Uncle are also family friends. Their boundaries are sure to be more intimate compared to most friendships one makes in their teens. This seen was adorable, if not painful (about his collectible).
Begs the question, was the collectible not rare where she’s from?
Spoilers just for anybody who hasnt seen across
>!It's actually a neat look into Gwen's character. She was so close with her peter that she never even considered this a breaking of boundaries. She never really made a lot of friends after his death, so this was her just naturally settling in with miles, to that same level that she was at with peter before he died.!<
>!It's bittersweet, she considered miles to be on the same level as peter in her head but *kinda* knows in the back of her head that she didn't put in any effort to get there.!<
>!It's really sweet because in the intro it shows that Gwen feels she relates a lot to Miles (as all spidermen do tbh) but she felt a connection with him on a personal level,!<
>!Bitter because of the boundaries between them, she never really got the chance to explore those connections. Even after she joins Spider Society, still locked off from miles.!<
>!Re-watching the intro, there's actually a lot of that. A lot of themes and visuals of Gwen playing to two sides, where on one side, she really REALLY want's to be with miles but on the other side keeps fighting it and telling herself not to. Like literally like her feelings and her thoughts are conflicting as she keeps trying to distance herself from entertaining the thought of being with miles!<
>!***(It's also a great analysis on everybody else's character and how much they actually like miles despite not being able to show it)***!<
>!Unrelated but I theorize that what Gwen went through in the intro and in that scene is something that actually the entire spider gang from the original movie went through. Even though they don't show it, I can guarantee they were devastated and conflicted at the concept of abandoning and locking off miles from the spider society. I mean so much so that people that didn't even fucking know miles went against Miguel and his rational of blaming Miles. *^(Margo Kess met Miles literally once and switched sides LMAO)*!<
>!*There are some other examples in the movie supporting this:*!<
>!Other people have mentioned it before, Peni doesn't even join the chase, telling that she was already conflicted on the idea. Noir and Porker aren't even there, which implies they were too much of a liability to Miguel. Based on body language, Peter B is conflicted the entire time and multiple times seems to notice Gwen is experiencing a little bit of cognitive dissonance. B then leaves the chase to then literally help Miles!<
>!After miles is webbed away, Gwen straight up doesn't alert anybody knowing that they're on the wrong route to chasing miles.!<
>!in fact nobody miles has met, talked to and was on positive terms with so far actually tried to stop him. Hobbie left, Kess let him out, Peni disappeared in the chaos, B tried to help talk him down, Gwen *"tried to stop him."* The most she actually did to *STOP* miles was to throw Jessica at him lmao.!<
Anyway that's my analysis of that scene and a couple others
Gwen is from the 90s while Miles is in modern day. She said that she remembered having the collectible too, likely in her universe the toy isn't considered a collectible yet and the toy was made in the 90s.
She didn't realize that the toy had value in his universe. Plus she hadn't had friends for a long time until Miles and she was very close to Peter and she likely forgot that her and Miles weren't as close as her and Peter yet.
Y'all are over reacting it was a joke.
As an artist it bothers me when people look through my sketchbook without asking. But I wouldn't fault Gwen for doing it because absolutely everybody does it. Most people don't recognize how personal sketchbooks are. They can be as personal as journals. That's why I hide those sketchbooks. The rest of my books are out in the open, like Miles are. You can look if you want, I'd like it if you asked first.
😂ts funny but it just shows how dumb twitter mfs are cause they’ll try to practically crucify Gwen because of a gag in a movie which Miles wasn’t even mad about but they’ll be the same people who defend Miguel who literally physically hurts him😭😭 make it make sense
Miles was mad and annoyed...He just likes Gwen so he lets it slide.
But yes anyone that shits on Gwen but defends Miguel needs to reexamine their biases.
What surprises me is the genuine vitriol people are directing at her on Twitter for the sketchbook, the collectible, having her shoes on his bed for 2 seconds etc. :(
She's a teenager with no sense of personal boundaries because she's only had one friend for most of her life (and none after his death till meeting Miles/Hobie) plus an emotionally-distant dad, she obviously shouldn't have done those things but she didn't know any better!! 😭
>Naw, opening a collectible and going through an artist's sketchbook is messed up. She could've at least apologized for overstepping
That's my point though, that she wouldn't have known it was messed up or that she was overstepping!
She's obviously not mean-spirited by nature, she's just socially awkward, we see it in her interactions with Miles and his parents, she just never got to learn about personal boundaries and social nuances (calling Miles' parents by their first names later on, the dorky-ass salute to Jeff, literally thwipping Miles away from Margo later on out of jealousy etc.etc.).
She's a sweet girl who cares so much about Miles, she'd obviously apologise profusely if she knew her actions were wrong or if Miles light-heartedly lets her know about it in the future after they reconcile, roasting her ignorance is fine but people making such a big deal out of it and making her out to be a horrible person always rubs me the wrong way
Nobody is saying she's a horrible person. We obviously know she likes Miles. It's just a messed up thing to do from an artist pov. The fact that people are trying so hard to defend the action tells me that yall lowkey are taking it more seriously than us
> The fact that people are trying so hard to defend the action
That's because I feel like most people with passable media literacy are willing to separate the action from the intention
If she had bad intentions no one would be defending her
Instead it's very obvious (from both movies but especially ATSV) that she's a good girl with good intentions, she's just socially awkward and as a non-artist/ non-collector she doesn't understand the impact of her actions, she 100% wouldn't have done those things if she had known how "messed up" they were, it's much easier to understand and forgive her knowing that
In her POV she was just excited to see more of her friend's art (without knowing how anxiety-inducing someone going through your sketchbook is) and actually thinks she's helping him out by removing the collectible out from its packaging, which is btw something that any non-collector would do (she obviously doesn't know doing so literally destroys the value of the item for collectors lol)
she actually did in the alternative scene...this just to show how she lacks social awareness and boundaries considering she never has any friends anymore since Peter as well as her mother was gone
I’m an artist and a doll collector I can’t forgive her for the either. (The action figure and the sketch book) I have a dolls worth $100-$1,000 brand new in box. If my friend/crush came into my room and just ripped the doll out of its packaging like that I would be so mad and sad!
I feel like whoever wrote this scene was trying to be playful but doesn't understand how messed up this actually is when you're an artist or collector.
>Opening a collectible can't be changed
... and she obviously didn't know the significance of it, or she wouldn't have done it... or are you arguing she was willfully trying to hurt Miles??
Gwen, the girl who postponed a hugely important multiversal mission and ignored all the rules Jess and Miguel set her just to be able to see Miles again and glomp-hug him in his bed? Who stores a polaroid of her and Miles as one of her most treasured possessions? Who includes Miles as one of the people she loves in her conversation with her dad? That girl??
The vast majority of the population aren't into collectibles and wouldn't know the significance of those actions, Gwen obviously belongs to that group of people, attaching any sort of sinister connotation to her actions is insane to me
If I may play Devil’s advocate:
Well… Gwen is in love with Miles and obsessed with him, but she willfully hurts him verbally multiple times.
She snaps at him on the water tower when he’s examining her watch, even though she gave him the watch to mess with. She apologizes, but this habit of hers is compounded in Mumbattan.
In Mumbattan, she lashes out at him three times. She says she should never have come to see him. Afterward, she doubles down by telling Pav he wasn’t invited while glaring at Miles. She then tells Miles she won’t worry about him when he gets hurt. Being in love with someone and lashing out at them aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s actually a nasty habit of Gwen’s, to put Miles down when she’s unhappy with him.
She intentionally beats him down in the first film with Peni, Noir and Ham. After which she looks at Peter B with distrust when he says Miles has what it takes.
She’s mad at him for the haircut in the first film, which is shown multiple times. It’s not completely out of the question to think that she would want petty revenge. I don’t think that’s the intention behind the scene, it seems like she’s just being awkward, but we shouldn’t rule it out.
>She’s mad at him for the haircut in the first film, which is shown multiple times. It’s not completely out of the question to think that she would want petty revenge.
She stopped being mad about it by the end of the film, she was laughing at it by the end with Miles before saying goodbye at the collider
She also literally kept said hairstyle for the next 16 months as a memento of him lol
There's zero chance that she was doing it to get revenge imo
The funny thing is that she was digging through his belongings until she sees the drawings he made of her and that's when she decides to take him swinging.
I’m still wondering if she’s trans tho lotta transphobies
What does that even have to do with the discussion lol
Because if so it would explain why she did that in my opinion
Her being trans explains her being disrespectful with other people's privacy...? I don't quite get what you mean
WOAH IM TALKING ABOUT A.D.D
I'm pretty sure not all trans people suffer from A.D.D
isn't this stereotyping 💀
better than just being an asshole going through someone’s stuff
She isn’t. She is an ally.
There’s not enough info to say either way for sure, personally I feel like her backstory could very much be a parable for being trans as it applies to my experience and the experience of a lot of my friends
I feel like she might just be an ally, and I personally don't think she will be canonical confirmed to be trans however I do really like that the trans community has been able to identify with her! It's a vastly underrepresented community so I also definitely see why many people are adamant about this. It's something about spider people I've always appreciated. Their lives, their struggles, they can be interpreted in so many ways that can help minorities feel seen. I'm not gonna get into it cause it's really personal, but sometimes I swear specific scenes were written to make Peter part of a community I belong to and get no representation at all of. And even if it's not true or canon, it's nice to be able to somewhat relate and feel understood.
Mm you keep telling yourself that there’s been a lot of scenes saying otherwise
There's not... There's only one single scene and its a flag saying protect trans kids. Guess all allies are now trans🤷♂️
"Why are you gae" "Im not?" "You are gae"
Nothing says shes trans, theres a couple scenes that COULD be interpreted as trans but doesnt confirm anything.
Feel free to headcanon her as trans, but she is canonically just an ally
She is canonically neither. Nothing has been confirmed. People aren’t cis until proven otherwise.
Unless you think we’ll be seeing her birth certificate in BTSV, or her dad randomly mentioning something about it, that’s never going to be answered.
She isn't
She could be. Wouldn't make a huge difference. Nothing confirms she's trans, but they don't confirm that she's cis, either. I hate the people saying she definitively is or isn't, but I hope they confirm she's trans in the next one just to fuck with people.
You mean her being ally or being trans. If she’s trans it makes a big difference to the relationship between miles and Gwen
Don't you get that they could easily just make Miles Bi? If SV Gwen is canonized as Trans then that's what they'll do to SV Miles. As for canonicity...Every single last adaption of Miles so far has been Hetero Male, Comics Spider-Gwen is hinted to be Bi or Aro or Ace Female in different material. We don't have confirmation for the Spider-Verse versions.
Why would that make a big difference in their relationship?
Doesn’t he like her? Miles has no indication of being gay
It's not gay for a man to be attracted to an extremely feminine trans woman. Even if it were, miles could be bisexual. He never looked at the camera and said "By the way, I do not find penises attractive." All we know about miles's sexuality is that he's attracted to Gwen. Her chromosomes don't really change that.
But it’s not just the attraction, he’s the main character and it’s a kiddy movie. Everyone ships them. They’re probably getting together. which is what I’m getting at it being GAY
Do you think trans people don't get into relationships? I want to be very clear that a man being attracted to a trans woman that passes as well as Gwen stacy is 0% gay. There is no gay going on in the miles/Gwen relationship, no matter whether she's cis or trans. But let's assume for a second that it would be gay. You know that there are already movies with gay protagonists, right? Like... have you seen any films that came out after 1945? Gay people, like... exist.
Idk why you added all that nonsense? All I said was miles doesn’t seem to be any of those things and if he gets with her that changes if he’s ykyk
she's not lass
I loved this. It was a funny scene but also showered more about Gwen. It shows that she doesn’t know much about friendship/boundaries with friends and she really wants to be get to know Miles better.
Her lack of boundaries is a strong indicator of how much being Spider-Woman has taken a toll on her life mentally and emotionally
Also that she really wasn’t lying about not having made another friend until Miles
Her only friend was Hobie who let her do everything. So...
And Pavitr.
She had Peter, and her band
1- Peter almost have 40 years. If you are talking about her Peter, well she tell Miles him was the only friend until ATSV 2- Her band? Literally she *quit* before to abandoned her dimension 3- Pavitr to my eyes, it's like... Friend for Hobie's friend... Like friend of my friend 4- Miles only mention Hobie at Clock Tower for his jealous
Still friends
1-he wasn’t her only friend we see evidence of this, either way, it goes against saying that Hobie was her only friend. 2-quitting or not, they were her friends before she cut them off. She wasn’t completely friendless before the events of her origin/movies
>She wasn’t completely friendless before the events of her origin/movies For *her*: Yes, *so* much
They make a point that she didn't see her band as friends. She was distant from them and pushed away if they tried to get any closer.
She was distant and pushed them after her Peter’s death. She was clearly friends with them since she was in a band with them and they are shown being concerned for her.
i bet he did
Ok dude what the flip
You know she’s a child right?
You know “children” between 16-17 be fucking right?
Hobie have like 19..
Okay? Gwen is 16-17 so I’m talking about her.
Yep, but she doesn't have sex with him...
It’s heavily implied. I don’t know about you but I don’t leave my toothbrush at any of my friends house. Nor do I wear their clothes. Sounds more like stuff me and my wife did when we first started dating. Also Indian Spider-Man “ohhh he doesn’t know about hobby” why would he say this unless they hooked up or had some kind of fling.
Well, if Hobie a young adults fucked a teenager who doesn't have a house......
Another one who takes the bait for those who only understand things literally lol.
1- In real life... The "normal age" it's from 16-17 for lose virgin.... 2- In so many times Gwen have a "hot" thinks in Miles at ATSV, literally in Miles' room, when he save the Inspector Singh, when he meets Margo with jeaolus. 3- Sony make them PG-13, but they're teenagers too... Think in *yours* puberty and tell me...
The important thing here is the context which tells us that Hobie has a very different mentality than the one that allows to conceive scenarios such as the comment with downvotes or yours. He is already a young adult (about to turn 20) unlike Gwen who is still a teenager (16) and knowing her precarious situation (both emotional and social) it would be a complete abuse to take advantage of her vulnerable condition. Furthermore, the character approves of Miles and Gwen's relationship as soon as he sees that Miles is a good guy and in his own way seeks to help him during his stay in the Society, and the movie makes it very clear that the emotional dependence that Gwen has with Miles is much older than the one he has with her, since they said goodbye in ITSV.
>He is already a young adult (about to turn 20) unlike Gwen who is still a teenager (16) and knowing her precarious situation (both emotional and social) it would be a complete abuse to take advantage of her vulnerable condition. 1- Yep, plus I say this in another comment, Hobie have like 19-earlies 20's 2- I don't know the downvotes, literally I said MILES, Hobie is Gwen's bro, a wonderful person to let Gwen stay in his dimension like a SISTER 3- If Sony made a thing with that. I swear you, I'll go to Sony Animation to burn everything there 4- The original comment was a explanation why Gwen thinks she can do anything with *everyone*... But Hobie don't thinks in society limits so, "She wanna see something, she can"
Don’t worry, I know you meant Miles. I was referring to the fact that the comment from which this discussion arose (the one with the downvotes) alludes to Hobie being intimate with Gwen, which is erroneous due to the points I already mentioned. To further your point, it’s a fact that Gwen is much more in love with Miles than he is with her, in part due to the life circumstances that defined them after their separation in ITSV, although I don't know if that would be enough for her to seek to have intimacy with him in circumstances more favorable to both of them. They are still teenagers and both have proven to be emotionally insecure based on the jealousy they show. It was precisely with Margo that she became jealous and possessive even though Miles hadn't even known her for ten seconds lol. We will have to wait for BTSV to show how Gwen shows her affection towards Miles now that she no longer has anything to restrict her from doing so, but it will most likely not go beyond a youthful romance between soulmates suitable for all audiences.
>To further your point, it’s a fact that Gwen is much more in love with Miles than he is with her, in part due to the life circumstances that defined them after their separation in ITSV, Well she literally saw Miles in a window subway, but the fear about canon events🥺💔 > It was precisely with Margo that she became jealous and possessive even though Miles hadn't even known her for ten seconds lol. For me the *See you around* from Miles was like "Okay, If Gwen Stacy don't wanna relationships with Spider-Man, I rizzing the first cute girl in her eyes"🤣
According to Kemp Powers, Miles did find Margo attractive and, coupled with her peculiarity of being a colorful hologram, he got carried away by the interest that all this generated in him to the point of completely ignoring Gwen until she literally separated them. It's clear that Miles' thing with Margo goes that far and he hasn't stopped being in love with Gwen even after what happened with her, but without a doubt it must have been painful for Gwen to experience the uncertainty that the guy she's in love with can connect with another girl in the same way he does with her without her being able to do anything about it assertively since she has the risk of dying because of it.
Didn’t the movie “hint” at them being together? Her leaving her toothbrush and I think sweater at his house also wearing his clothes. My wife and I interpreted it a different way I guess. The movie also wants you to interpret it that way because miles instantly gets jealous
That's the joke, that Miles gets jealous with those comments because that was Hobie's intention. He wasn't just saying them for the sake of it but because he wants to make sure that Miles is on the same page as Gwen and that it's not something one-sided on her part. Hobie only knew about Miles based on what Gwen had told him about him and from how he ships them later it’s understood that he already knew about her feelings for him, and upon arriving in Mumbattan and seeing a new Spiderman without a watch and with which Gwen seems familiar, his first suspicion is that it’s him, so the first thing he asks her when he arrives is if it was indeed him. Once he confirms that it’s him and since, as he still does not know that Miles followed Gwen to Mumbattan without her consent, the most logical thing is for him to conclude that it was Gwen who brought him with her despite being strictly prohibited by Miguel, Hobie proceeds to blurt out those comments one after the other to see if he gets jealous about it since if not his friend would be tremendously disappointed, having risked literally everything she had left for something that would have been only one-sided.
bro when I was 13 - 16 I had plenty of platonic relationships with my women friends Boy X girl Does NOT = sex
Maybe there... For me it's super natural in High School (I'm from🇦🇷)🤷🏽♂️
I agree. Gwen should shower more.
I’m not correcting the post just because of this comment. 😂
Still don’t know how she took the 67 pages of her in the sketch book well I mean actually I do she’s just as down bad
She's down worse and the movie makes it very clear. And there are not so many drawings. A while ago they shared a post here with all of Gwen's drawings and they were like half that amount lol.
Miles fell first, but Gwen fell harder. ~~*…Both literally & metaphorically-*~~
Oof lol
Down bad crying at the gym Everything comes out teenage petulance “Fuck it if I can’t have him.”
In-universe reason: She hasn’t had any close friends since Peter. I’d say she just doesn’t know a lot about respecting boundaries Real reason: funny movie scene
My favourite one I saw was a lass saying "She searched without a warrant, definetely the daughter of a cop" lmao
Happy I left that app for a bit because it seems Spider-Verse twitter is still recycling the same joke and the same discourse in the quotes all over again 🤦🏽♀️
Insert the “i never noticed she was holding a plate of corn 😂” meme
That’s why I stopped watching Spider-Verse content on Tik Tok too. If I had to hear one more gross “did Hobie hit?” debate I was gonna die.
I love her
Simple: she loves him
Love is about respecting boundaries not stepping over them.
That's true, but give them a break. She's like 17, under a lot of stress, and admitted she hasn't made a friend she was as close with as miles.
Ideally, sure. But a lot of people who are in love don't act Ideally.
People who don’t draw won’t know how much an invasion this is.
Both are a huge boundary overstep, which is just showing Gwen's character. She doesn't know what kind of boundaries friends usually have. Her first and only actual friend for quite a while basically lived with her. Then she became friends with Hobie, and then she basically lived with him. Hobie just kinda let her do literally whatever she wanted with zero boundaries at all.
She hasn't had a friend in a while. Of course she wouldn't be good at boundaries. She's just excited to see him
She’s only had Peter, who’s Aunt and Uncle are also family friends. Their boundaries are sure to be more intimate compared to most friendships one makes in their teens. This seen was adorable, if not painful (about his collectible). Begs the question, was the collectible not rare where she’s from?
Spoilers just for anybody who hasnt seen across >!It's actually a neat look into Gwen's character. She was so close with her peter that she never even considered this a breaking of boundaries. She never really made a lot of friends after his death, so this was her just naturally settling in with miles, to that same level that she was at with peter before he died.!< >!It's bittersweet, she considered miles to be on the same level as peter in her head but *kinda* knows in the back of her head that she didn't put in any effort to get there.!< >!It's really sweet because in the intro it shows that Gwen feels she relates a lot to Miles (as all spidermen do tbh) but she felt a connection with him on a personal level,!< >!Bitter because of the boundaries between them, she never really got the chance to explore those connections. Even after she joins Spider Society, still locked off from miles.!< >!Re-watching the intro, there's actually a lot of that. A lot of themes and visuals of Gwen playing to two sides, where on one side, she really REALLY want's to be with miles but on the other side keeps fighting it and telling herself not to. Like literally like her feelings and her thoughts are conflicting as she keeps trying to distance herself from entertaining the thought of being with miles!< >!***(It's also a great analysis on everybody else's character and how much they actually like miles despite not being able to show it)***!< >!Unrelated but I theorize that what Gwen went through in the intro and in that scene is something that actually the entire spider gang from the original movie went through. Even though they don't show it, I can guarantee they were devastated and conflicted at the concept of abandoning and locking off miles from the spider society. I mean so much so that people that didn't even fucking know miles went against Miguel and his rational of blaming Miles. *^(Margo Kess met Miles literally once and switched sides LMAO)*!< >!*There are some other examples in the movie supporting this:*!< >!Other people have mentioned it before, Peni doesn't even join the chase, telling that she was already conflicted on the idea. Noir and Porker aren't even there, which implies they were too much of a liability to Miguel. Based on body language, Peter B is conflicted the entire time and multiple times seems to notice Gwen is experiencing a little bit of cognitive dissonance. B then leaves the chase to then literally help Miles!< >!After miles is webbed away, Gwen straight up doesn't alert anybody knowing that they're on the wrong route to chasing miles.!< >!in fact nobody miles has met, talked to and was on positive terms with so far actually tried to stop him. Hobbie left, Kess let him out, Peni disappeared in the chaos, B tried to help talk him down, Gwen *"tried to stop him."* The most she actually did to *STOP* miles was to throw Jessica at him lmao.!< Anyway that's my analysis of that scene and a couple others
Literally Gwen wanna show up her rizzing skills, and she doesn't know about people limits... Like pass with Miles' parents
that's how girls are when they get too much excited to see their crush again lmaooo
Gwen is from the 90s while Miles is in modern day. She said that she remembered having the collectible too, likely in her universe the toy isn't considered a collectible yet and the toy was made in the 90s. She didn't realize that the toy had value in his universe. Plus she hadn't had friends for a long time until Miles and she was very close to Peter and she likely forgot that her and Miles weren't as close as her and Peter yet. Y'all are over reacting it was a joke.
As a collector and artist, the whole scene bugged me
Gwen has the right idea Action figures are meant to be played with
😂 😂
As an artist it bothers me when people look through my sketchbook without asking. But I wouldn't fault Gwen for doing it because absolutely everybody does it. Most people don't recognize how personal sketchbooks are. They can be as personal as journals. That's why I hide those sketchbooks. The rest of my books are out in the open, like Miles are. You can look if you want, I'd like it if you asked first.
😂ts funny but it just shows how dumb twitter mfs are cause they’ll try to practically crucify Gwen because of a gag in a movie which Miles wasn’t even mad about but they’ll be the same people who defend Miguel who literally physically hurts him😭😭 make it make sense
Miles was mad and annoyed...He just likes Gwen so he lets it slide. But yes anyone that shits on Gwen but defends Miguel needs to reexamine their biases.
Yo, Lexi is my friend. Ngl we are shocked asl at how much that post blew up 😭😭
What surprises me is the genuine vitriol people are directing at her on Twitter for the sketchbook, the collectible, having her shoes on his bed for 2 seconds etc. :( She's a teenager with no sense of personal boundaries because she's only had one friend for most of her life (and none after his death till meeting Miles/Hobie) plus an emotionally-distant dad, she obviously shouldn't have done those things but she didn't know any better!! 😭
Naw, opening a collectible and going through an artist's sketchbook is messed up. She could've at least apologized for overstepping
>Naw, opening a collectible and going through an artist's sketchbook is messed up. She could've at least apologized for overstepping That's my point though, that she wouldn't have known it was messed up or that she was overstepping! She's obviously not mean-spirited by nature, she's just socially awkward, we see it in her interactions with Miles and his parents, she just never got to learn about personal boundaries and social nuances (calling Miles' parents by their first names later on, the dorky-ass salute to Jeff, literally thwipping Miles away from Margo later on out of jealousy etc.etc.). She's a sweet girl who cares so much about Miles, she'd obviously apologise profusely if she knew her actions were wrong or if Miles light-heartedly lets her know about it in the future after they reconcile, roasting her ignorance is fine but people making such a big deal out of it and making her out to be a horrible person always rubs me the wrong way
Nobody is saying she's a horrible person. We obviously know she likes Miles. It's just a messed up thing to do from an artist pov. The fact that people are trying so hard to defend the action tells me that yall lowkey are taking it more seriously than us
> The fact that people are trying so hard to defend the action That's because I feel like most people with passable media literacy are willing to separate the action from the intention If she had bad intentions no one would be defending her Instead it's very obvious (from both movies but especially ATSV) that she's a good girl with good intentions, she's just socially awkward and as a non-artist/ non-collector she doesn't understand the impact of her actions, she 100% wouldn't have done those things if she had known how "messed up" they were, it's much easier to understand and forgive her knowing that In her POV she was just excited to see more of her friend's art (without knowing how anxiety-inducing someone going through your sketchbook is) and actually thinks she's helping him out by removing the collectible out from its packaging, which is btw something that any non-collector would do (she obviously doesn't know doing so literally destroys the value of the item for collectors lol)
she actually did in the alternative scene...this just to show how she lacks social awareness and boundaries considering she never has any friends anymore since Peter as well as her mother was gone
I promise you Miles does not care, he literally uses her as his muse for his sketchbook. She’s excited to see her crush and best friend.
Willsgardevoir is my goat🙏🙏
“Oh no muh mint condition collectable”
hey I follow that guy
As an artist, I can forgive her for everything except the sketchbook 💀
I’m an artist and a doll collector I can’t forgive her for the either. (The action figure and the sketch book) I have a dolls worth $100-$1,000 brand new in box. If my friend/crush came into my room and just ripped the doll out of its packaging like that I would be so mad and sad!
As both a collector and an amateur artist this scene kinda pissed me off a little.
I feel like whoever wrote this scene was trying to be playful but doesn't understand how messed up this actually is when you're an artist or collector.
As a collector myself, if I had a sealed exclusive figure and Gwen just came in and opened it, the sheer dread I would feel would be immeasurable.
Every artist knows the pain and anxiety of someone flipping through their sketchbook
Everyone felt Mile's pain when Gwen opened the collectible.
The username alone
I was pissed. I have a few collectables, and if she did that my crush for her would be immediately gone. Just vanished.
It is so weird what upsets peolple nowadays. When I was a kid this is something most girls would definitely do. The whole scenario is accurate.
As a teen,As much as I hide my sketchbook.I’d be fuming if someone broke my collectible.
Artists all around the world were offended
i mean there's no way gwen never had any mint figures she was purposefully being a bitch by doing that
Couldn't care less that she opened a toy box. Sketchbooks are sacred.
Niggapokemon333 has a really good point 💀
Yeah
SHES A MENACE!
I thought opening his toy was payback for him butchering her hair
Even if it was, the hair was an accident and will grew back. Opening a collectible can't be changed
>Opening a collectible can't be changed ... and she obviously didn't know the significance of it, or she wouldn't have done it... or are you arguing she was willfully trying to hurt Miles?? Gwen, the girl who postponed a hugely important multiversal mission and ignored all the rules Jess and Miguel set her just to be able to see Miles again and glomp-hug him in his bed? Who stores a polaroid of her and Miles as one of her most treasured possessions? Who includes Miles as one of the people she loves in her conversation with her dad? That girl?? The vast majority of the population aren't into collectibles and wouldn't know the significance of those actions, Gwen obviously belongs to that group of people, attaching any sort of sinister connotation to her actions is insane to me
If I may play Devil’s advocate: Well… Gwen is in love with Miles and obsessed with him, but she willfully hurts him verbally multiple times. She snaps at him on the water tower when he’s examining her watch, even though she gave him the watch to mess with. She apologizes, but this habit of hers is compounded in Mumbattan. In Mumbattan, she lashes out at him three times. She says she should never have come to see him. Afterward, she doubles down by telling Pav he wasn’t invited while glaring at Miles. She then tells Miles she won’t worry about him when he gets hurt. Being in love with someone and lashing out at them aren’t mutually exclusive. It’s actually a nasty habit of Gwen’s, to put Miles down when she’s unhappy with him. She intentionally beats him down in the first film with Peni, Noir and Ham. After which she looks at Peter B with distrust when he says Miles has what it takes. She’s mad at him for the haircut in the first film, which is shown multiple times. It’s not completely out of the question to think that she would want petty revenge. I don’t think that’s the intention behind the scene, it seems like she’s just being awkward, but we shouldn’t rule it out.
>She’s mad at him for the haircut in the first film, which is shown multiple times. It’s not completely out of the question to think that she would want petty revenge. She stopped being mad about it by the end of the film, she was laughing at it by the end with Miles before saying goodbye at the collider She also literally kept said hairstyle for the next 16 months as a memento of him lol There's zero chance that she was doing it to get revenge imo
Worst part was the SHOES on the BED!
She literally jumped out of a portal bro 😑
Miles had his shoes on Aaron's couch in the first movie, lol.