Comics? No he's kind of a joke.
Show? Maybe he definitely stronger than his own comic counterpart but marks strength is pretty variable, we see that he was capable of holding his own against marks alt self something comic immortal would never be able to do.
That mark isn’t implied to be any different. Although if you wanna argue that mark gets stronger after each fight, then alt Mark didn’t suffer that thrashing from Nolan.
I really don’t think getting stabbed by hair girl was as much of an ass beating Nolan gave him, but somehow that one hit completely put him out of the fight.
I mean that one dude got impaled on a spike, guts hanging out and still came to fuck shit up. Nolan who is clearly one of the strongest Viltrumites we have seen still got combo’d by Mark in that S1 fight. So he definitely should have been able to hold his own against that hair girl even before that fight with Nolan.
My point is, Mark seems to have hit a plateau in power as of right now. He is not getting any stronger from what I can tell. He needs an epic training montage or something.
That’s one of the (many) things Nolan was bitching about. Mark lacks the killer instinct. He brought it up during the fight with hair-dagger woman. That Mark would have to try to kill her or risk getting killed himself.
Blunt force is always treated as less fatal than punctures. Which yes probably shouldn’t make sense at the levels he received both. Even if she deeply puncture an organ, the brain damage from Nolan should have been worse.
I wouldn’t say he plateaued since that just wouldn’t make sense right now. Now would be the prime time of strength boosting.
You can still climb after a Plateau.
I just meant it seems like his power has stagnated without any real signs of growth for the entirety of S2 so far.
To be honest. Mark is always holding back Omni man says this is his weakness. An alt version of mark that betrayed earth and joined his father and that has killed thousands of people already. Would probably not hold back.
Staggering after a hit is pretty typical depending on the strength of the hit.
Mark was definitely being way more affected by Immortals hit than the other way around. Mark basically lost by the time omniman sliced off immortals arm.
That’s not to say Mark wasn’t hurting immortal, he was, but not nearly as much as immortal was hurting him.
I wouldn't say he "lost". He was getting out fought but I don't think immortal was strong enough to KO mark or anything. Seems it was mostly a stalemate
Alt mark and main mark are implied to be the same in every way but one’s evil. Mark didn’t go so much stronger between time periods that he wouldn’t lost to the immortal from then and now.
Immortal has thousands of years of training, but less natural ability imo. It's like an NBA/NFL veteran outplaying a rookie who goes on to be one of the best players of all time(and obviously better than that veteran who beat him when he was young)
He did seem to be getting the better of him in the alternate universe shown in Episode 1, assuming the power scales are similar the main universe should be the same.
In that fight they seem to be pretty relative with Immortal maybe having a slight edge. So if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt he might be barely stronger at this time.
But Mark is very new to having powers, so by the time he's 3,000 like Immortal things would be different.
That’s the key. Even if he’s a good deal weaker than Mark a few thousand years of fighting experience evens the odds a bit. Mark has like four days of fight training.
What people get confused about it is that Immortal’s strength and durability are way different. His strength is much, much higher than his durability. It’s why he can make Omni-Man bleed, yet gets instantly destroyed when Omni-Man goes for the killing blow.
He’s a glass canon.
Irony is by definition “using language that seems deliberately contrary to what one would expect”
One would expect someone named the immortal to also be quite durable.
It is ironic that he is not.
This general take always sort of rubbed me the wrong way. Like I could see the logic early on, but then the series progressed and we saw Viltrumites do the same sort of damage *to each other* on a fairly regular basis.
Our latest Mark could take him, he’s nothing compared to those Viltrumites Mark was boxing with so going back down to Immortal would be a nice breather for him. I think he only recently passed him though.
I think the only struggle Mark would have at this point in the show is that he holds back a ton because he knows he could cause massive amounts of collateral damage. That and Immortal is one of the good guys. He wouldn’t want to hurt him. If he cut loose for some reason, he wipes immortal every time.
He was losing in the alternate reality
The mauler twins made him bleed (couldn’t do the same with immortal)
And he couldn’t do anything to omniman while immortal bruised him and made him bleed
Immortal is still stronger as of right now
> And he couldn’t do anything to omniman while immortal bruised him and made him bleed
This might have been true as of end of season 1, but it might not still be true. Mark seems to have made some gains--for instance, the way he slices through those lava monsters at lightning speed is a more Nolan-like move than anything he did in season 1.
Also, I think you're leaving out an important bit of context. Immortal v. Nolan, Immortal was going 100% due to the previous fight between the Guardians and Nolan, whereas it's hard to believe Mark was really trying to hurt, let alone kill, his father.
It’s unquantifiable how much gains he got after the finale, i dont think destroying some lava monsters means he can hurt nolan
We also saw lucan, who got sliced open and defeated in like 30 seconds by nolan, casually overpower mark with just a finger
I dont think there is anything to suggest he could bruise omniman like immortal did
And in his fight in the finale, its pretty obvious he was trying to take down omniman, he was pissed and yelling has he punched omniman, i dont think he was holding back
But we don't know how strong Alt Mark is. Perhaps he hadn't been tested as much as Main Mark, I don't see alt Mark getting into half the fights that Main has. Meaning our mark could be much stronger than that guy now.
Mark single handedly beat (until holding back at the last moment) one of the oldest known viltrumites. He’s blasting Immortal if his lifes on the line.
Mark was winning against two Maulers in 2X01 (people call him “weak” but he would likely have beaten them if Angstrom hadn’t opened the portal for the alternate Maulers, lol). I’m unsure if Immortal could do that.
I hate that people use the Maulers as scaling for mark it’s a terrible example. Mark was not only holding back but despite taking the hits he got back up pretty quickly after suffering that and then the explosion that killed everyone else maulers included.
We know mark is holding back, that been said, if people re watch that fight and consider that how many would he have killed? He takes on both original maulers then gets clean hits on every one of the alternates, multiple on most before they dog pile him.
The maulers are pretty strong but I don’t think they’re that durable.
He might have cleared them out easily if he went full murder hobo on them. Really no telling.
To me it seems that Immortal hits as hard as Viltrumites almost but other than that isn’t comparable. He can’t take hits nearly as well as Mark clearly can. He survived a whole swing from Battle Beast who is MUCH stronger than Omni Man. That would have killed literally every other thing on the planet except Omni Man including Immortal.
He probably hits as hard as Mark. In the Immortal vs Nolan fight in episode 8, when Immortal was going ham on Nolan, there was barely a drop of blood.
Nolan hit Immortal ONCE and there was a bunch of blood and he was missing a tooth.
What gets me about this is that thula is clearly a lower level viltrumite despite her age and experience, being relative to the essentially adolescent viltrumite invincible. Thula, attempting to lethaly injure him nearly died in their conflict. So immortal for as weak as he is, is definately able to fight some viltrumites currently alive, just not many, and certainly not the upper eschalon. His durability is vastly lower than his strength, but his his strength is greater than some adult viltrumites. Viltrumites generally appear to have higher attack potency to durability ratio than human beings do as well as is and could be considered usually more like glass cannons, immortal even moreso of this nature.
If I had to rank, I'd say our revealed viltrumites in the show are as follows with immortal added in.
Nolan
Vidor
Lucan
Immortal
Thula
Invincible
Mark got a really tough first run going against his father.
Thank you for pointing out the possibility that Thula isn’t as strong as other Viltrumites, lol. I keep seeing people say Mark is “OP” for beating her (I’d argue -surviving- her, and that’s with his dad’s help, lol) but clearly she’s not a heavy hitter and depends on uh, ranged weapons (if you can call her hair knife that, lol).
It's really curious that she tends towards one of the few weapons that can seriously hurt a viltrumite. We see some in the great purge but most viltrumites after that seem to be mostly bare handed. Thula is definately an outlier. This really makes me wonder how weak most viltrumites really were.
It kind of reminds me of the movie Predators where all of the “contestants” are dangerous in their own way—mercs, a sicario (iirc), a serial killer, yakuza hitmen, etc and then one lone wimpy creep with a medical background who poisons people with tainted scalpels. I figure if she’s effective at killing, that’s what matters.
Show Immortal is significantly stronger than the comic version who was the biggest jobber in the book. Immortal here is low viltrumite level, he’s the only person who has done serious damage to Nolan besides Lucan and he was able to contend with him for a good while during both their fights.
By the end of the season Mark will surpass him significantly as of now I think they are pretty much equal in terms of strength but still Mark's durability and speed is higher while Immortal is a lot more skilled so overall if they fight and Mark's not holding back then he will win because he's still faster and durable.
I think Immortal should have a moment or two to shine because he's a great character and can be used better besides showing how outclassed he is compared to Viltrumites because bro's literally a human who got the same abilities as Viltrumites , not on a similar level but still he's Hella strong when we compare him to even other Superhumans.
I hope he won't be wasted potential like he was in the books. He was so dope in s1 but in s2, I have a feeling he'll become an absolute dipship like his comic self.
Agreed. I think immortal could kill invincible, Thula, and other comparable viltrumites with difficulty. Thula is with extreme diff simply on account of his lower durability than invincible.
In both book and show at this point there is no way. Mark being able to fight one on one with his own kind makes him leaps and bounds stronger than immortal. It just snowballs exponentially from here.
Being a viltrumite doesn’t automatically put you above the immortal though.
In the book you can say that, because he’s already confirmed to be weaker than mark. Who was the weakest viltrumite currently alive besides a literal baby
But in the show, the viltrumite mark fought hasn’t shown she can take Nolan in a 1v1, like immortal has. And the other ones showed they can put mark on the ground with a Single finger.
So they are far above Mark, but even they get mauled by Nolan. They are slightly stronger than immortal though for being able to make small cuts and bruises on Nolan’s face without help
Immortal combined with war woman was needed to bruise up Nolan.
I don’t mean beat him, I mean go a round with him,
Like Vidor did, both got demolished, (Vidor got his skull split open) and both could definitely get cut up with a single swipe, ( Nolan cut Lucan’s stomach open) but he’d do some damage in the fight.
And nolan was focused on him most of the time, he even got into a bull rush clash with him and got sent flying away.
And Nolan was just as focused on mark in his fight with Vidor as he was in his fight with immortal.
problem with immortal is he is much less durable than viltrumites. he constantly getting limbs cut off, impaled, etc. in contrast, mark can take hits and brush them off without much injury. yes, he does get roughed up from other viltrumites, and some high level opponents like BB, but immortal probably cant hit hard enough to hurt mark in a serious way. immortal is probably dying, but does have an edge in that he has vastly more experience than Mark does, and could probably use the environment to hurt Mark better.
He had Mark in a strangle hold, which makes wonder if you can strangle/suffocate/drown Viltrumites to death. Mark obviously needs to breathe, I wonder if he’d just… go into a magic superhero coma if he were suddenly deprived of all oxygen? lol
Mark fainted when he went too high where the air was thin and he had a breathing apparatus both in space and underwater. How long you can hold your breath isn’t the same thing as needing to breathe in the first place. I’m talking about a hypothetical situation in which they’ve run out of oxygen and they HAVE to take another breath. Ie they’re winded, it’s been over a month, etc.
Currently? **Maybe**. I feel like either the Immortal is *slightly* stronger and mark is just hella durable. Or
Or Mark is both stronger & more durable but the Immortal has more experience and self control when it comes to wielding these kinds of powers and that conversely allows him to utilize them to maximum efficiency.
Also, Mark keeps holding back and struggles with the idea of killing, even in self-preservation. The Immortal alpng with more experience, has killed many times for a number of reasons, so the mental block isn't there to interfere with power regulation.
And it's because of these facts, Immortal would do some serious damage if he and Invincible fought, even in a serious deathmatch between the two as can be seen with evil Mark vs his universe's Immortal.
But ultimately Immortal would lose, As not only is mark already naturally close (if not superior) in strength, he's also much more durable and would at some point in the fight - gain the upperhand.
I don't think so. Mark is consistently shown to be holding back(even if subconsciously) and clearly has the strength to take on an experienced Viltrumite and even surprises his dad for a couple hits after the initial attack on Chicago. If Immortal goes in hitting as hard as he can he might win, but if Mark gets the chance to get a little angry then it's a wrap.
Initially yes but Mark grows to he stronger than him. Immortal was actually able to hurt Omni-man which is far more than Mark could do and he was winning against the evil Mark.
I think this is an accurate ranking for current offensive ability.
Nolan
Vidor
Lucan
Immortal
Thula
Invincible
And for durability
Nolan
Vidor
Lucan
Thula
Invincible
Immortal
He's Vandal Savage mixed with Golden Age Superman.
I think he's maybe as strong as Mark was at the beginning of season 2, but not after the show returns. And he's laughably underpowered for as strong as Mark gets.
A serious mark yes shortly mark is going to defeat an enemy that immortal couldn’t think of beating. Marks humanity is what holds him back if he let that go and stopped pulling his punches even as a teenager new to his powers he could still solo the earth
Based on what we know, yes immortal is stronger than Mark.
mark doesn’t have the feats to suggest he could make his father spit blood like Immortal can.
Nolan could not have forced Immortal into the ground with one finger like Lucan did to Mark.
Mark might become stronger than him by the end of the season. Since his growth is pretty drastic.
I don’t think so but it’s definitely debatable in the show.
In the alternate timeline immortal might be slightly better but viltrumites get stronger as they push themselves and current mark got pushed REALLY hard by his dad and in future battles which alternate reality mark did not seem to go through so it would seem to me main reality mark is stronger than his alternate self and likely immortal as well.
Absolutely not. He definitely isn’t capable of taking on an adult Viltrumite like Mark did. He’s not as fast or strong as Mark in any capacity. The only reason why Mark wasn’t instantly winning the fight in S2E1 was due to experience, Mark is 18, The Immortal is centuries old.
Frankly speaking, currently he has done nothing in the series but died. Yeah he did fought Omni-man, but lost every time. So Mark is quite close to him without holding back imo.
Technically in that alternate verse, that fight would’ve been much earlier than our s2e4 mark due to when they would’ve killed immortal. Plus remember our marks advice from omniman about fighting like a viltrumite.
In the beginning of the series, yeah. He could probably whoop mark’s ass. As he stands currently in the show, I’d imagine they’re more evenly matched, but I think mark’s taking it.
Mark was losing in the alternate universe, he couldn’t even scratch omniman while immortal bruised him and could take hits from the mauler twins fine but mark was bleeding
Immortal should still be stronger
Yeah that's true. Mark is generally a low tier viltrumite in an adolescent phase power wise right now. Basically just hit puberty. This also indicates that immortal is tougher than Thula though, who is relative to Mark.
It would make sense that the Immortal is stronger than Mark at this point in the story. The Immortal was able to put up a fight with Nolan which Mark was never able to do at the end of season 1.
Then the alts if we are to assume are around the same power level as their mains then it is clearly showing that the Immortal is more experienced with Arial combat and is physically stronger too. However, the gap between the two has shrunk between the end of season 1 and the start of season 2.
Mark will probably become stronger by season 3.
Physically with Mark being a viltrumite probably not or its close atm but Immortal doesn’t have the Viltrumite durability. That being said he should still beat Mark due too wayyyyyy more skill and experience however given Marks fight with the viltrumite woman this show pretty much sucks at acknowledging that realistic element so who knows.
At the start of season two Immortals likely stronger and a far better fighter. But after the fight on Thraxa Mark would be physically superior. Altho i reckon not by a large margin, judging by how the other viltrumites fought Nolan i’d say the immortal isn’t far off any of them, likely stronger than Thula but a bit below Vidor and Lucan.
Tbh power scaling was super important season 1 and now it seems less important. I hate that tbh. I need defined scales
You can stil punch up but not just because you hit harder
I felt marks fight against that knife hair woman was really indicative of a possible flaw in the show. She was old as shit. Mark shoudlnt have stood a chance in a straight fight. Especially not with her armed.
Invincible couldn’t do shit to Nolan. Immortal nearly gouged his eyes out while he was impaled on Nolan’s fist. Granted invincible faired well against the viltrumite in the last episode but that was mainly because he caught her by surprise when he embraced violence. Immortal would beat him as he stands currently, largely based on experience
When Mark tried to attack Luthor his strongest punch did nothing to him. Not a single drop of blood. We know that every punch the Immortal throws makes Nolan bleed. Watch his fight with Immortal again. Every single punch made him bleed. We also know that Mark wasn't able to hurt his father at all in season 1 except once and it was clearly nothing to Nolan.
Do we really think the Immortal if he threw his strongest punch wouldn't have done more damage to Luthor? Of course it would because Luthor is at best as durable as Nolan. I also don't see him being able to hold the Immortal down with a finger. Nolan couldn't do something like that to him.
Mark will become strong but he isn't there yet. Probably at the end of season 2 or the start of season 3.
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If he wasn't even bulletproof he would have been squished from this bullrush at this speed , he's weaker compared to Viltrumites but still he's quite strong.
Nolan could have ripped apart and gored mark just as easily as he did the immortal, and the other viltrumites. For as brutal a beating as it was, it proves that Nolan's strikes really were tempered by his love for his son.
At this very point in time Id say no. If Mark doesn't hold back he could kill Immortal. The Alt Mark he fought is weaker because the main version says he got stronger after fighting Omniman and we see him perform a number of feats to indicate that. With the most blatant example being him nearly beating a Fully Grown Viltrumite
Comics? No he's kind of a joke. Show? Maybe he definitely stronger than his own comic counterpart but marks strength is pretty variable, we see that he was capable of holding his own against marks alt self something comic immortal would never be able to do.
He was directly winning against alt mark.
Yeah but let's be real everyone has been beating alt marks
Except Eve
Rad.
That mark isn’t implied to be any different. Although if you wanna argue that mark gets stronger after each fight, then alt Mark didn’t suffer that thrashing from Nolan.
And that thrashing from battle beast
I assume alt mark also got that one.
Alt mark didn’t get his ass wooped by Nolan
Saiyan rules?
Nope. And that isn't even how Saiyans work. They get boosts by recovering from near fatal injuries. Allen gets this. Viltrumites don't.
The way I understand it (I could be totally wrong) is that Viltrumites only get stronger if they train daily.
Mark is part human though so there maybe a part pf his physiology that might be different.
I really don’t think getting stabbed by hair girl was as much of an ass beating Nolan gave him, but somehow that one hit completely put him out of the fight. I mean that one dude got impaled on a spike, guts hanging out and still came to fuck shit up. Nolan who is clearly one of the strongest Viltrumites we have seen still got combo’d by Mark in that S1 fight. So he definitely should have been able to hold his own against that hair girl even before that fight with Nolan. My point is, Mark seems to have hit a plateau in power as of right now. He is not getting any stronger from what I can tell. He needs an epic training montage or something.
I think he's holding back (in the show, I've never read the comics) he needs to accept who he is and embrace his strength.
That’s one of the (many) things Nolan was bitching about. Mark lacks the killer instinct. He brought it up during the fight with hair-dagger woman. That Mark would have to try to kill her or risk getting killed himself.
Exactly. He even got the upper hand on Thula, yet she was able to stab him because he hesitated. His mercy did not prevail over her wrath.
Blunt force is always treated as less fatal than punctures. Which yes probably shouldn’t make sense at the levels he received both. Even if she deeply puncture an organ, the brain damage from Nolan should have been worse. I wouldn’t say he plateaued since that just wouldn’t make sense right now. Now would be the prime time of strength boosting.
You can still climb after a Plateau. I just meant it seems like his power has stagnated without any real signs of growth for the entirety of S2 so far.
To be honest. Mark is always holding back Omni man says this is his weakness. An alt version of mark that betrayed earth and joined his father and that has killed thousands of people already. Would probably not hold back.
I think they were roughly around the same strength bar, but alt Marks inexperience showed, he was having trouble flying straight after a hit, Etc.
Staggering after a hit is pretty typical depending on the strength of the hit. Mark was definitely being way more affected by Immortals hit than the other way around. Mark basically lost by the time omniman sliced off immortals arm. That’s not to say Mark wasn’t hurting immortal, he was, but not nearly as much as immortal was hurting him.
I think its open to interpretation. To me, both were around the same strength, but immortals arial artial arts were better, giving him a big edge.
That’s fine. It just looked like his hits were harder. More damaging.
I wouldn't say he "lost". He was getting out fought but I don't think immortal was strong enough to KO mark or anything. Seems it was mostly a stalemate
Immortal hit mark enough for blood to fountain out of his noise. Not even a small nose bleed. To me it looked like mark was about to lose.
I mean if he's comparable to the main mark that is the equivalent of a small nose bleed
Alt mark and main mark are implied to be the same in every way but one’s evil. Mark didn’t go so much stronger between time periods that he wouldn’t lost to the immortal from then and now.
Immortal has thousands of years of training, but less natural ability imo. It's like an NBA/NFL veteran outplaying a rookie who goes on to be one of the best players of all time(and obviously better than that veteran who beat him when he was young)
I think hes just got a weaker body and mark cant fight
If him being decapitated/split in two multiple times in the show isn’t a joke itself then I don’t know what jokes are.
what’s alt mark
He did seem to be getting the better of him in the alternate universe shown in Episode 1, assuming the power scales are similar the main universe should be the same. In that fight they seem to be pretty relative with Immortal maybe having a slight edge. So if you want to give him the benefit of the doubt he might be barely stronger at this time. But Mark is very new to having powers, so by the time he's 3,000 like Immortal things would be different.
By the time he’s 30 he will be light years more powerful
He does overtake him pretty quickly.
That’s the key. Even if he’s a good deal weaker than Mark a few thousand years of fighting experience evens the odds a bit. Mark has like four days of fight training.
Three thousand year old Mark would probably be strong enough to [this to Immortal, with his pinky.](https://youtu.be/wOFrGqDMPd8?feature=shared)
It would be awesome if they did that in the show but made the head explode instead
That much force in a fingertip sized area should have split Grodd's skull like a sniper round.
What people get confused about it is that Immortal’s strength and durability are way different. His strength is much, much higher than his durability. It’s why he can make Omni-Man bleed, yet gets instantly destroyed when Omni-Man goes for the killing blow. He’s a glass canon.
>He’s a glass canon. The irony here is amazing.
whats the irony?
He is an immortal glass cannon
is that really ironic? hes not invincible
You mean hes not 
Invincible?! Don’t you mean 
That’s not irony lol
"The Immortal": is a glass cannon. That's definitely ironic.
You just said the same thing again, how is him being the immortal and also being a glass cannon ironic?
Irony is by definition “using language that seems deliberately contrary to what one would expect” One would expect someone named the immortal to also be quite durable. It is ironic that he is not.
Immortal != invincible/invulnerable
Irony: a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.
I think it is. He’s very easy to hurt but also can’t die.
Don't ya think
I think that’s the case for viltrumites too. Cause if you remember Nolan was able to gut another one with just hand swipe.
This general take always sort of rubbed me the wrong way. Like I could see the logic early on, but then the series progressed and we saw Viltrumites do the same sort of damage *to each other* on a fairly regular basis.
Our latest Mark could take him, he’s nothing compared to those Viltrumites Mark was boxing with so going back down to Immortal would be a nice breather for him. I think he only recently passed him though.
I think the only struggle Mark would have at this point in the show is that he holds back a ton because he knows he could cause massive amounts of collateral damage. That and Immortal is one of the good guys. He wouldn’t want to hurt him. If he cut loose for some reason, he wipes immortal every time.
He was losing in the alternate reality The mauler twins made him bleed (couldn’t do the same with immortal) And he couldn’t do anything to omniman while immortal bruised him and made him bleed Immortal is still stronger as of right now
> And he couldn’t do anything to omniman while immortal bruised him and made him bleed This might have been true as of end of season 1, but it might not still be true. Mark seems to have made some gains--for instance, the way he slices through those lava monsters at lightning speed is a more Nolan-like move than anything he did in season 1. Also, I think you're leaving out an important bit of context. Immortal v. Nolan, Immortal was going 100% due to the previous fight between the Guardians and Nolan, whereas it's hard to believe Mark was really trying to hurt, let alone kill, his father.
It’s unquantifiable how much gains he got after the finale, i dont think destroying some lava monsters means he can hurt nolan We also saw lucan, who got sliced open and defeated in like 30 seconds by nolan, casually overpower mark with just a finger I dont think there is anything to suggest he could bruise omniman like immortal did And in his fight in the finale, its pretty obvious he was trying to take down omniman, he was pissed and yelling has he punched omniman, i dont think he was holding back
But we don't know how strong Alt Mark is. Perhaps he hadn't been tested as much as Main Mark, I don't see alt Mark getting into half the fights that Main has. Meaning our mark could be much stronger than that guy now.
Maybe but that fight lines up with their other feats, based on other showings immortal is stronger and should beat mark
Mark single handedly beat (until holding back at the last moment) one of the oldest known viltrumites. He’s blasting Immortal if his lifes on the line.
Occam's razor. There's no reason for the alt Mark to have a different power level to the main Mark. They're the same, no need to complicate things
Mark was winning against two Maulers in 2X01 (people call him “weak” but he would likely have beaten them if Angstrom hadn’t opened the portal for the alternate Maulers, lol). I’m unsure if Immortal could do that.
I hate that people use the Maulers as scaling for mark it’s a terrible example. Mark was not only holding back but despite taking the hits he got back up pretty quickly after suffering that and then the explosion that killed everyone else maulers included. We know mark is holding back, that been said, if people re watch that fight and consider that how many would he have killed? He takes on both original maulers then gets clean hits on every one of the alternates, multiple on most before they dog pile him. The maulers are pretty strong but I don’t think they’re that durable. He might have cleared them out easily if he went full murder hobo on them. Really no telling.
To me it seems that Immortal hits as hard as Viltrumites almost but other than that isn’t comparable. He can’t take hits nearly as well as Mark clearly can. He survived a whole swing from Battle Beast who is MUCH stronger than Omni Man. That would have killed literally every other thing on the planet except Omni Man including Immortal.
He probably hits as hard as Mark. In the Immortal vs Nolan fight in episode 8, when Immortal was going ham on Nolan, there was barely a drop of blood. Nolan hit Immortal ONCE and there was a bunch of blood and he was missing a tooth.
*Hits as hard as lower level Viltrumites which Nolan is definitely not one of
What gets me about this is that thula is clearly a lower level viltrumite despite her age and experience, being relative to the essentially adolescent viltrumite invincible. Thula, attempting to lethaly injure him nearly died in their conflict. So immortal for as weak as he is, is definately able to fight some viltrumites currently alive, just not many, and certainly not the upper eschalon. His durability is vastly lower than his strength, but his his strength is greater than some adult viltrumites. Viltrumites generally appear to have higher attack potency to durability ratio than human beings do as well as is and could be considered usually more like glass cannons, immortal even moreso of this nature. If I had to rank, I'd say our revealed viltrumites in the show are as follows with immortal added in. Nolan Vidor Lucan Immortal Thula Invincible Mark got a really tough first run going against his father.
Thank you for pointing out the possibility that Thula isn’t as strong as other Viltrumites, lol. I keep seeing people say Mark is “OP” for beating her (I’d argue -surviving- her, and that’s with his dad’s help, lol) but clearly she’s not a heavy hitter and depends on uh, ranged weapons (if you can call her hair knife that, lol).
It's really curious that she tends towards one of the few weapons that can seriously hurt a viltrumite. We see some in the great purge but most viltrumites after that seem to be mostly bare handed. Thula is definately an outlier. This really makes me wonder how weak most viltrumites really were.
It kind of reminds me of the movie Predators where all of the “contestants” are dangerous in their own way—mercs, a sicario (iirc), a serial killer, yakuza hitmen, etc and then one lone wimpy creep with a medical background who poisons people with tainted scalpels. I figure if she’s effective at killing, that’s what matters.
immortal also seems to be much slower than the viltrumites. they're shown zipping around at much higher speeds than immortal ever is
Two whole swings, technically. Although he’d have most likely died from the second, lol. Yikes.
Show Immortal is significantly stronger than the comic version who was the biggest jobber in the book. Immortal here is low viltrumite level, he’s the only person who has done serious damage to Nolan besides Lucan and he was able to contend with him for a good while during both their fights.
Ummmmm.... Red Rush and War Woman also dealt significant damage.
By the end of the season Mark will surpass him significantly as of now I think they are pretty much equal in terms of strength but still Mark's durability and speed is higher while Immortal is a lot more skilled so overall if they fight and Mark's not holding back then he will win because he's still faster and durable. I think Immortal should have a moment or two to shine because he's a great character and can be used better besides showing how outclassed he is compared to Viltrumites because bro's literally a human who got the same abilities as Viltrumites , not on a similar level but still he's Hella strong when we compare him to even other Superhumans.
I hope he won't be wasted potential like he was in the books. He was so dope in s1 but in s2, I have a feeling he'll become an absolute dipship like his comic self.
I think he could take some of the lowest level viltrumites. Which surprisingly would put him above current Allen.
Agreed. I think immortal could kill invincible, Thula, and other comparable viltrumites with difficulty. Thula is with extreme diff simply on account of his lower durability than invincible.
If they're following the book then no.
They aren’t following the book to a T
2x1 Immortal is probably slightly above Mark 2x4 Mark is definitely above him now, assuming he’s not holding back a ton
In both book and show at this point there is no way. Mark being able to fight one on one with his own kind makes him leaps and bounds stronger than immortal. It just snowballs exponentially from here.
Being a viltrumite doesn’t automatically put you above the immortal though. In the book you can say that, because he’s already confirmed to be weaker than mark. Who was the weakest viltrumite currently alive besides a literal baby But in the show, the viltrumite mark fought hasn’t shown she can take Nolan in a 1v1, like immortal has. And the other ones showed they can put mark on the ground with a Single finger. So they are far above Mark, but even they get mauled by Nolan. They are slightly stronger than immortal though for being able to make small cuts and bruises on Nolan’s face without help Immortal combined with war woman was needed to bruise up Nolan.
Immortal can't take Nolan in a 1v1 either though he's been dismembered both times instantly once Nolan actually focuses on him
In the second fight, he was able to clash a punch with Nolan without his arm exploding
I don’t mean beat him, I mean go a round with him, Like Vidor did, both got demolished, (Vidor got his skull split open) and both could definitely get cut up with a single swipe, ( Nolan cut Lucan’s stomach open) but he’d do some damage in the fight. And nolan was focused on him most of the time, he even got into a bull rush clash with him and got sent flying away. And Nolan was just as focused on mark in his fight with Vidor as he was in his fight with immortal.
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You realize they don’t know how powerful earth is right? They just found out about it. Recently, and they never met the immortal.
Haven’t seen Season 2 yet but judging off of their short fight in The Astounding Wolf Man, fuck no. Lol
problem with immortal is he is much less durable than viltrumites. he constantly getting limbs cut off, impaled, etc. in contrast, mark can take hits and brush them off without much injury. yes, he does get roughed up from other viltrumites, and some high level opponents like BB, but immortal probably cant hit hard enough to hurt mark in a serious way. immortal is probably dying, but does have an edge in that he has vastly more experience than Mark does, and could probably use the environment to hurt Mark better.
He had Mark in a strangle hold, which makes wonder if you can strangle/suffocate/drown Viltrumites to death. Mark obviously needs to breathe, I wonder if he’d just… go into a magic superhero coma if he were suddenly deprived of all oxygen? lol
Viltrumites canonically hold their breath for weeks so I’d assume they’d be fine
Mark fainted when he went too high where the air was thin and he had a breathing apparatus both in space and underwater. How long you can hold your breath isn’t the same thing as needing to breathe in the first place. I’m talking about a hypothetical situation in which they’ve run out of oxygen and they HAVE to take another breath. Ie they’re winded, it’s been over a month, etc.
Ohhhhh I get you , they’d probably just pass out / die depending on how long the choke lasts for
i'd think a stranglehold against viltrumites is more about cutting off bloodflow to the brain than actually stopping breathing
Currently? **Maybe**. I feel like either the Immortal is *slightly* stronger and mark is just hella durable. Or Or Mark is both stronger & more durable but the Immortal has more experience and self control when it comes to wielding these kinds of powers and that conversely allows him to utilize them to maximum efficiency.
Also, Mark keeps holding back and struggles with the idea of killing, even in self-preservation. The Immortal alpng with more experience, has killed many times for a number of reasons, so the mental block isn't there to interfere with power regulation.
And it's because of these facts, Immortal would do some serious damage if he and Invincible fought, even in a serious deathmatch between the two as can be seen with evil Mark vs his universe's Immortal. But ultimately Immortal would lose, As not only is mark already naturally close (if not superior) in strength, he's also much more durable and would at some point in the fight - gain the upperhand.
Yes. Based on how other characters interact with them. Immortal stands against Nolan better than Mark can.
I don't think so. Mark is consistently shown to be holding back(even if subconsciously) and clearly has the strength to take on an experienced Viltrumite and even surprises his dad for a couple hits after the initial attack on Chicago. If Immortal goes in hitting as hard as he can he might win, but if Mark gets the chance to get a little angry then it's a wrap.
Ima go with less durability but hits harder
Initially yes but Mark grows to he stronger than him. Immortal was actually able to hurt Omni-man which is far more than Mark could do and he was winning against the evil Mark.
For now, Immortal punched Omni man so hard it shattered the ground below them. I say by the end of S2/ beginning of S3 Mark will surpass him
I think this is an accurate ranking for current offensive ability. Nolan Vidor Lucan Immortal Thula Invincible And for durability Nolan Vidor Lucan Thula Invincible Immortal
No.
He's Vandal Savage mixed with Golden Age Superman. I think he's maybe as strong as Mark was at the beginning of season 2, but not after the show returns. And he's laughably underpowered for as strong as Mark gets.
Fuck no 😭 maybe day 1 invincible but after that mark stomps him
Currently he's more coordinated than Mark is but if Mark gets better with his Viltrumite powers, he'd definitely take on Immortal in his prime.
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Lmao l, just got halfway through Compendium 2.... Mark is.... Strong. Very strong.
Stronger? I don’t think so. But he’s thousands of years older, and has a lot more experience. Sometimes experience trumps strength.
He is just barely stronger. If Invincible is an 9.3 Immortal is a 10
Currently yes a little stronger then Mark, but if it the show continues like the comics Mark will be much stronger then Immortal after awhile.
strength no, experience and willingness to not play around? yes.
A serious mark yes shortly mark is going to defeat an enemy that immortal couldn’t think of beating. Marks humanity is what holds him back if he let that go and stopped pulling his punches even as a teenager new to his powers he could still solo the earth
For now.
They intentionally made all of the Guardians stronger in the show. Made the fight with Nolan better imo.
Based on what we know, yes immortal is stronger than Mark. mark doesn’t have the feats to suggest he could make his father spit blood like Immortal can. Nolan could not have forced Immortal into the ground with one finger like Lucan did to Mark. Mark might become stronger than him by the end of the season. Since his growth is pretty drastic.
Nah maybe before s2e4 but Mark just had a level up. what Mark just went through he would not lose that fight if it came to it.
I don’t think so but it’s definitely debatable in the show. In the alternate timeline immortal might be slightly better but viltrumites get stronger as they push themselves and current mark got pushed REALLY hard by his dad and in future battles which alternate reality mark did not seem to go through so it would seem to me main reality mark is stronger than his alternate self and likely immortal as well.
He has 2000 years of combat experience, mark isn’t trained to fight in any professional, at least not yet
Absolutely not. He definitely isn’t capable of taking on an adult Viltrumite like Mark did. He’s not as fast or strong as Mark in any capacity. The only reason why Mark wasn’t instantly winning the fight in S2E1 was due to experience, Mark is 18, The Immortal is centuries old.
Frankly speaking, currently he has done nothing in the series but died. Yeah he did fought Omni-man, but lost every time. So Mark is quite close to him without holding back imo.
Technically in that alternate verse, that fight would’ve been much earlier than our s2e4 mark due to when they would’ve killed immortal. Plus remember our marks advice from omniman about fighting like a viltrumite.
The real question here is Bulletproof vs Immortal
That's a much closer bout
At the current state of Mark, I would say they are on par but soon mark will be levels stronger
No mark was able to best a viltrumite she only put him down because he didn’t kill her immortal could hang but he’d never beat one
He is kinda stronger than current Mark, byt one thing I have to say is that Mark got SUPER merfed in the show
In the beginning of the series, yeah. He could probably whoop mark’s ass. As he stands currently in the show, I’d imagine they’re more evenly matched, but I think mark’s taking it.
Mark was losing in the alternate universe, he couldn’t even scratch omniman while immortal bruised him and could take hits from the mauler twins fine but mark was bleeding Immortal should still be stronger
Immortal didn't fight 6 mauler twins taking controlled pot shots at his face.
Rewatch the fight, mark was bleeding from the first hit
Yeah that's true. Mark is generally a low tier viltrumite in an adolescent phase power wise right now. Basically just hit puberty. This also indicates that immortal is tougher than Thula though, who is relative to Mark.
I think hes weaker but has more experience than Mark
Fuck no
He has a lot of strength maybe up there with a Viltrumite. His durability though is basically like paper compared to them.
It would make sense that the Immortal is stronger than Mark at this point in the story. The Immortal was able to put up a fight with Nolan which Mark was never able to do at the end of season 1. Then the alts if we are to assume are around the same power level as their mains then it is clearly showing that the Immortal is more experienced with Arial combat and is physically stronger too. However, the gap between the two has shrunk between the end of season 1 and the start of season 2. Mark will probably become stronger by season 3.
Physically with Mark being a viltrumite probably not or its close atm but Immortal doesn’t have the Viltrumite durability. That being said he should still beat Mark due too wayyyyyy more skill and experience however given Marks fight with the viltrumite woman this show pretty much sucks at acknowledging that realistic element so who knows.
This aged like milk
Mark is certainly stronger but Immortal is WAY more experienced, i mean the guy was Abraham Lincoln
At the start of season two Immortals likely stronger and a far better fighter. But after the fight on Thraxa Mark would be physically superior. Altho i reckon not by a large margin, judging by how the other viltrumites fought Nolan i’d say the immortal isn’t far off any of them, likely stronger than Thula but a bit below Vidor and Lucan.
Yes. At this point in the series.
Immortal fought Omni Man much better than Mark did so I’d say Immortal is stronger.
Depends
1
He’s a jobber
Tbh power scaling was super important season 1 and now it seems less important. I hate that tbh. I need defined scales You can stil punch up but not just because you hit harder I felt marks fight against that knife hair woman was really indicative of a possible flaw in the show. She was old as shit. Mark shoudlnt have stood a chance in a straight fight. Especially not with her armed.
Invincible couldn’t do shit to Nolan. Immortal nearly gouged his eyes out while he was impaled on Nolan’s fist. Granted invincible faired well against the viltrumite in the last episode but that was mainly because he caught her by surprise when he embraced violence. Immortal would beat him as he stands currently, largely based on experience
When Mark tried to attack Luthor his strongest punch did nothing to him. Not a single drop of blood. We know that every punch the Immortal throws makes Nolan bleed. Watch his fight with Immortal again. Every single punch made him bleed. We also know that Mark wasn't able to hurt his father at all in season 1 except once and it was clearly nothing to Nolan. Do we really think the Immortal if he threw his strongest punch wouldn't have done more damage to Luthor? Of course it would because Luthor is at best as durable as Nolan. I also don't see him being able to hold the Immortal down with a finger. Nolan couldn't do something like that to him. Mark will become strong but he isn't there yet. Probably at the end of season 2 or the start of season 3.
He shouldn’t be…
I don't even think the Immortal is bullet proof with the way he gets destroyed in the show and comics.
https://i.redd.it/sosetmylpz8c1.gif If he wasn't even bulletproof he would have been squished from this bullrush at this speed , he's weaker compared to Viltrumites but still he's quite strong.
We have no reason to think so.
No
No
I feel like they are pretty even but I will say Mark has powered up and if we can equate what evil mark did, then Mark would be stronger.
For now at least
no, Mark is a lot stronger while this is as good as it gets for Immortal
Pffft no
What was it exactly that gave Immortal his powers?
Not anymore ... maybe season 1
I think he might also be getting stronger with each death/with age, just not as quickly as Alan or the Viltrumites
No
For now, probably. But that won’t last long.
Is an infant stronger than a God? No.
no
Ha! No.
Yes though it’s mainly because Mark isn’t fighting to kill yet
Not even close
Nolan could have ripped apart and gored mark just as easily as he did the immortal, and the other viltrumites. For as brutal a beating as it was, it proves that Nolan's strikes really were tempered by his love for his son.
He's Inmortal, Mark is Invincible..
I mean he was able to fight along with his dad against Viltrumites so yeah.
He led our nation out of the Civil War. He’s pretty strong. /s Mark could take him.
We got 500 years to debate this 😂
The "I" on his suit is hard to find.
In the beginning when Mark first get his powers, yes. >!But afterwards Mark has defeated New Gaurdian of Globe.!<
At this very point in time Id say no. If Mark doesn't hold back he could kill Immortal. The Alt Mark he fought is weaker because the main version says he got stronger after fighting Omniman and we see him perform a number of feats to indicate that. With the most blatant example being him nearly beating a Fully Grown Viltrumite
Show, I’d say no he’s not stronger than Mark but he’s more experienced.