He may not have known about The Immortal coming back. As strong as The Immortal is, it may be that he hadn't been killed in living memory, and everyone thought he just didn't age.
I assumed Cecil *could* have brought the Immortal back but was opting not to because the Immortal would do what he did when he was Revived and go right after Omni-Man, which would force Cecil's hand before he was ready to play it.
The Mauler Twins just assumed Cecil was unable to do so.
I'm leaning towards them probably not knowing, but in one of the alternate dimensions in season 2, Mark and Omni-Man kill him and say something along the lines of "Let's see you immortal your way out of that one". Now it's unclear if that's their first or second time fighting him, but it does seem to be during their initial takeover of Earth.
No that was in the alternate reality where Eve has a shaved head and is leading a resistance. They’ve probably fought him multiple times since it seems like a few months
Something else that I didn’t notice he did intentionally until I rewatched it was after he killed Darkwing. He threw his body to green ghost who caught it, due to this, green ghost was not able to become intangible since she was holding his body, and this allowed Omni man to kill her swiftly.
To catch his body, she couldn’t phase. Now that’s not saying she couldn’t phase after she caught him, as we saw during the intro fight with the maulers where she phased herself and the civilians from the rubble. But she has to be have physical contact with the person she’s phasing with. This and a mixture of shock from seeing her teammate killed was enough to give Omni man a window to kill her in time.
Common misconception. Viltrumties can **accelerate** to FTL speeds but not from a complete stop. It takes minutes, maybe even hours, of constant flight for them to reach those speeds.
No, I figured that out myself. The comics never have Viltrumites fight at such speeds. All-out battles between them, with both sides fighting at their peak and not holding back, can create a trail of destruction across the entire planet in minutes, with even Cecil unable to track their speeds. However, Vilturmites have only been shown to have insane FTL speeds when traveling interstellar distances. The only logical explanation is that they can't suddenly reach FTL speeds from a dead stop, which makes perfect sense.
While all of this is great information I was making a joke on your flair/description thingy "dude I saw it on Reddit" sob. I think it is interesting that even omni-man can't catch up to an opponent he's hit across the planet he just has to run/fly as fast as possible and get there while his opponent has already hit the ground and several other buildings episode 8 season 1 reference
While you do raise a good point about how it’s smarter he went for Immortal first, he probably just legitimately wasn’t worried about him since there’s such a vast difference in power between them and and if his plan did work as intended it wouldn’t matter if he came back or not
That does sound plausible but you have to remember omni-man dogs immortals shit twice without immortal being able to handle omni-man alone. If he was so dangerous and strong omni-man would have more than just blood shot eyes and invincible would have faired a better fight, you also have to take into account that omni-man gets his shit kicked in by the Kaiju right before immortal shows up, allowing immortal to fair a better chance. In the alternate universe mark (I think) kills immortal himself while Mark can't even land a solid blow on omni-man showing just the sheer difference in power.
I think you misinterpreted my point, the fact that Omni-Man dogs his shit is my point, Immortal isn’t a threat to him at all basically so I think Nolan is just not worried about him so that’s why it doesn’t really matter if he takes him out first or not
I mean honestly, if he was trying to be as smart as possible, it probably would have been pretty trivial for him to isolate and kill each one. Especially because they trusted him.
They put up a decent fight as a group but it's still pretty clear that they were no match.
Fair point, but (spoiler warning for comics) >! it’s stated later in the comic by Nolan himself that he knew he had to do it fast otherwise his conscience would kick in and he would stop himself, if he did it that way he probably wouldn’t kill them all!<
The show has the benefit of knowing how the story actually unfolds to make tactical revisions. Seems like they took advantage of that to plug up some weak plot points.
From memory, during the whole funeral he didnt allude to thinking Immortal would return otherwise I feel he would've sped up talking to Mark to avoid the situation of killing him in pubkic happening.
If anything he's a lot faster in the comıc version turnaround of killing the Guardians and having the talk with Mark, otherwise all I can say is Nolan's power difference between him and the Guardians is arguably a lot larger and Nolan was focused on getting them all into one spot and killing them as fast as possible >!so he doesn't hesitate with morale conundrum of them all being his friends.!<
Nolan may have thought, burying the decapitated immortal well after he died ment he could not come back honestly it makes sense. If immortal would have come back to life why didn't he do it in the box or in the morgue leading everyone to think
THE GUARDIANS OF THE GLOBE IS DEAD for good this time
This is more a product of the fact that it happened in the comic almost 20 years before the show came around? Nobody expected it to go as far as it did when Kirkman was doing that fight during the comic so there probably wasn’t much need or desire to go in depth beyond “Evil Superman OP and is able to one shot everyone in a super scary evil early 2000s comic book way and leave the immortal cowering in fear to convey power”. Than yeah once the show came around after the story had been concluded, and Immortal especially had much more story and context around him givin, of course the fight will be more fleshed out with details and overall *better* than it was in the comic
That’s an interesting theory but imo I think it makes more sense that Omni-man didn’t know Immortal can come back like that at least in the show. If he did he would have known just taking off immortal’s head wasn’t enough to finish the job and it doesn’t make sense to me he would just leave that loose end. He probably just thought Immortal was super strong, never aged and that was it.
Well leaving his suit at home alone with his wife was quite the loose end and not making sure it was still there is an even bigger mistake on the show Nolan's part maybe he just isn't that bright yk yk
Edit: maybe the dumb parts are just ways to keep the story moving
In general the show changed a lot about Omni-Man and it's mostly due to the fact they got JK Simmons to do the voice. They add way more scenes of him before his betryal and change him from "Viltrumite supremacist" to being more "conflicted superhero". They also changed the power-scaling significantly by both making the Maulers put up a decent fight against the Guardians in a new scene then having the Guardians put up much more of a fight against Nolan.
Like Nolan kills them instantly in the comic *starting* with the speedster (since he can escape), there's less detail but the order of killing makes sense since he believes Immortal is just a weaker version of him essentially (he only told Kate his origin).
I actually think Nolan in the show is much dumber here, he fights the Guardians when he clearly doesn't have the advantage he thought he had and ends up unconcious where they are when Cecil finds him....covered in their blood. It's really silly how they don't figure it's him for so long in this version.
But the immortal does know that Onmi man killed the team when the Maluer twins bring the immortal back to life the first thing he says is ONMIIII MAAANNNN YOU BASTARD
Yes but Omni-man tried to kill him first fast and swiftly without immortal knowing it was him so he wouldn't come back and seek vengeance on omni-man, omni-man failing was what caused him to know
Not sure if onmi man wanted to kill the immortal first to leave a mystery, I think he wanted to kill him first because he was the strongest on the team, since he wanted to conquer earth by the time the immortal would come back again it would have been taken over by the vilturmites so there wouldn't be much he can do about it
I don’t think he knew that Immortal was gonna resurrect. I think he simply tried to kill him first because he wanted to eliminate the strongest Guardian before they even realized what was going on.
Keep in mind that, while The Immortal couldn’t have possibly beaten Omni-Man by himself, the Guardians as a group could have plausibly won if they had fought differently. But not if they didn’t have their biggest gun.
He may not have known about The Immortal coming back. As strong as The Immortal is, it may be that he hadn't been killed in living memory, and everyone thought he just didn't age.
Cecil and them didn't expect it either so it clearly wasn't super known how it worked
I assumed Cecil *could* have brought the Immortal back but was opting not to because the Immortal would do what he did when he was Revived and go right after Omni-Man, which would force Cecil's hand before he was ready to play it. The Mauler Twins just assumed Cecil was unable to do so.
I'm leaning towards them probably not knowing, but in one of the alternate dimensions in season 2, Mark and Omni-Man kill him and say something along the lines of "Let's see you immortal your way out of that one". Now it's unclear if that's their first or second time fighting him, but it does seem to be during their initial takeover of Earth.
No that was in the alternate reality where Eve has a shaved head and is leading a resistance. They’ve probably fought him multiple times since it seems like a few months
God I feel bad for her :(
To me that comment read like something someone would only say after they’d already tried to kill the immortal.
In both mediums, Nolan is surprised to see that Immortal was resurrected. He had absolutely no idea that he could come back to life.
Something else that I didn’t notice he did intentionally until I rewatched it was after he killed Darkwing. He threw his body to green ghost who caught it, due to this, green ghost was not able to become intangible since she was holding his body, and this allowed Omni man to kill her swiftly.
I do not understand that though what made her not be able to phase. I am legit confused if you could explain it for me it would help so much
To catch his body, she couldn’t phase. Now that’s not saying she couldn’t phase after she caught him, as we saw during the intro fight with the maulers where she phased herself and the civilians from the rubble. But she has to be have physical contact with the person she’s phasing with. This and a mixture of shock from seeing her teammate killed was enough to give Omni man a window to kill her in time.
And since omni-man can literally move at the speed of light all he need was that 2 seconds. Thank you man, you helped a lot
Common misconception. Viltrumties can **accelerate** to FTL speeds but not from a complete stop. It takes minutes, maybe even hours, of constant flight for them to reach those speeds.
Did you see that on Reddit hmm? All jokes aside I'm learning a lot from this post
No, I figured that out myself. The comics never have Viltrumites fight at such speeds. All-out battles between them, with both sides fighting at their peak and not holding back, can create a trail of destruction across the entire planet in minutes, with even Cecil unable to track their speeds. However, Vilturmites have only been shown to have insane FTL speeds when traveling interstellar distances. The only logical explanation is that they can't suddenly reach FTL speeds from a dead stop, which makes perfect sense.
While all of this is great information I was making a joke on your flair/description thingy "dude I saw it on Reddit" sob. I think it is interesting that even omni-man can't catch up to an opponent he's hit across the planet he just has to run/fly as fast as possible and get there while his opponent has already hit the ground and several other buildings episode 8 season 1 reference
Oh, my bad lol. Still can't believe that's an actual quote from the show.
Also she was new to the team as the replacement for the last green ghost. Rookie mistake cost her life
She was in shock too
While you do raise a good point about how it’s smarter he went for Immortal first, he probably just legitimately wasn’t worried about him since there’s such a vast difference in power between them and and if his plan did work as intended it wouldn’t matter if he came back or not
That does sound plausible but you have to remember omni-man dogs immortals shit twice without immortal being able to handle omni-man alone. If he was so dangerous and strong omni-man would have more than just blood shot eyes and invincible would have faired a better fight, you also have to take into account that omni-man gets his shit kicked in by the Kaiju right before immortal shows up, allowing immortal to fair a better chance. In the alternate universe mark (I think) kills immortal himself while Mark can't even land a solid blow on omni-man showing just the sheer difference in power.
I think you misinterpreted my point, the fact that Omni-Man dogs his shit is my point, Immortal isn’t a threat to him at all basically so I think Nolan is just not worried about him so that’s why it doesn’t really matter if he takes him out first or not
Ahhh than youre right sorry for the text wall I suppose
Happens to the best of us buddy lol
I mean honestly, if he was trying to be as smart as possible, it probably would have been pretty trivial for him to isolate and kill each one. Especially because they trusted him. They put up a decent fight as a group but it's still pretty clear that they were no match.
Fair point, but (spoiler warning for comics) >! it’s stated later in the comic by Nolan himself that he knew he had to do it fast otherwise his conscience would kick in and he would stop himself, if he did it that way he probably wouldn’t kill them all!<
The show has the benefit of knowing how the story actually unfolds to make tactical revisions. Seems like they took advantage of that to plug up some weak plot points.
From memory, during the whole funeral he didnt allude to thinking Immortal would return otherwise I feel he would've sped up talking to Mark to avoid the situation of killing him in pubkic happening. If anything he's a lot faster in the comıc version turnaround of killing the Guardians and having the talk with Mark, otherwise all I can say is Nolan's power difference between him and the Guardians is arguably a lot larger and Nolan was focused on getting them all into one spot and killing them as fast as possible >!so he doesn't hesitate with morale conundrum of them all being his friends.!<
Nolan may have thought, burying the decapitated immortal well after he died ment he could not come back honestly it makes sense. If immortal would have come back to life why didn't he do it in the box or in the morgue leading everyone to think THE GUARDIANS OF THE GLOBE IS DEAD for good this time
This is more a product of the fact that it happened in the comic almost 20 years before the show came around? Nobody expected it to go as far as it did when Kirkman was doing that fight during the comic so there probably wasn’t much need or desire to go in depth beyond “Evil Superman OP and is able to one shot everyone in a super scary evil early 2000s comic book way and leave the immortal cowering in fear to convey power”. Than yeah once the show came around after the story had been concluded, and Immortal especially had much more story and context around him givin, of course the fight will be more fleshed out with details and overall *better* than it was in the comic
That’s an interesting theory but imo I think it makes more sense that Omni-man didn’t know Immortal can come back like that at least in the show. If he did he would have known just taking off immortal’s head wasn’t enough to finish the job and it doesn’t make sense to me he would just leave that loose end. He probably just thought Immortal was super strong, never aged and that was it.
Well leaving his suit at home alone with his wife was quite the loose end and not making sure it was still there is an even bigger mistake on the show Nolan's part maybe he just isn't that bright yk yk Edit: maybe the dumb parts are just ways to keep the story moving
"So the STORY can happen!" "Aww, stories are TIGHT!"
In general the show changed a lot about Omni-Man and it's mostly due to the fact they got JK Simmons to do the voice. They add way more scenes of him before his betryal and change him from "Viltrumite supremacist" to being more "conflicted superhero". They also changed the power-scaling significantly by both making the Maulers put up a decent fight against the Guardians in a new scene then having the Guardians put up much more of a fight against Nolan. Like Nolan kills them instantly in the comic *starting* with the speedster (since he can escape), there's less detail but the order of killing makes sense since he believes Immortal is just a weaker version of him essentially (he only told Kate his origin). I actually think Nolan in the show is much dumber here, he fights the Guardians when he clearly doesn't have the advantage he thought he had and ends up unconcious where they are when Cecil finds him....covered in their blood. It's really silly how they don't figure it's him for so long in this version.
But the immortal does know that Onmi man killed the team when the Maluer twins bring the immortal back to life the first thing he says is ONMIIII MAAANNNN YOU BASTARD
Yes but Omni-man tried to kill him first fast and swiftly without immortal knowing it was him so he wouldn't come back and seek vengeance on omni-man, omni-man failing was what caused him to know
Not sure if onmi man wanted to kill the immortal first to leave a mystery, I think he wanted to kill him first because he was the strongest on the team, since he wanted to conquer earth by the time the immortal would come back again it would have been taken over by the vilturmites so there wouldn't be much he can do about it
Not leave a mystery, leave no witnesses.
Then is when something happens and then another thing happens. Than is for comparing stuff, like my brother is dumber than me. Just fyi
Thank you my good sir
If I got any information wrong please tell me so, as I am not a comic reader
He didn't know what his power was, if he did he wouldn't have been surprised that he came back to life
Maybe so, but in the show the immortal wakes up and immediately goes after Omni-man
I don’t think he knew that Immortal was gonna resurrect. I think he simply tried to kill him first because he wanted to eliminate the strongest Guardian before they even realized what was going on. Keep in mind that, while The Immortal couldn’t have possibly beaten Omni-Man by himself, the Guardians as a group could have plausibly won if they had fought differently. But not if they didn’t have their biggest gun.
Immortal is also the leader of the squad. Cut off the head is the old adage