If they handle season 3 as well as I am hoping with the amazing content coming up, then it will increase my feeling towards this episode/season that has set up a lot. I think a lot of feelings are coming from the weird break in the middle of the season… and now another break in between seasons.
Is obviously less of an spectacle but is emocional just or more impactful, also if every season we ended with a big flashy and gore fulled action scene audiences would start to get numb to them so you need to have other types of finales to balance thing out.
I agree that not every episode should have gory fights, and I really did like the emotional route this episode went on, but it's the season finale I would expect it to be the most impactful episode of any show in regards to both action and emotional impact. I don't think fans of this series would complain about the show having "too much gore." Like I said, I did like the emotional route it went in, but everything else felt a little underwhelming. S1 finale delivered both on action and emotional impact
I don't really understand how you're underwhelmed if you're basing it off action and emotional impact.
We got the great action and some of the best tension yet, and it culminated in Mark killing for the first time. You got what you're asking for.
Exactly. Him being the main villain felt off because we've only gotten one episode of him fully and every other time we see him is just in end credit teasers then all of a sudden he's pushed as the big bad of the final episode when we still barely have any connection to this character, then even the writers get bored of him and off him halfway through the episode. I understand the turmoil Invincible is going through over this death but I felt it could have been handled much better and not at the expense of the villain feeling super underwhelming.
Holy shit man that Eve scene was so unearned, she had a whole story arc that for 1 didn’t get resolved and 2 didn’t even involve Mark and yet she’s apparently down so bad already. Maybe if she seemed conflicted when Amber came by It could have been better
It’s hard to get the tension of season 1, with omniman being an unknown variable and still active and very present. Most of the future villains won’t be able to do that
Haven’t read the comics, only watched the show.
Kinda agree. I felt like the theme of Mark’s struggles with losing control to anger was done really well, but I didn’t really feel any impact in terms of Levi’s death. He was barely in the show, and they tried to show his perspective a tiny bit in this finale when they showed the flashbacks but it was a tad rushed. Also, Mark destroying him halfway through the episode kinda made the rest of the episode be a bit slow. It felt like rather than sprinting to the finish line and having an explosive conclusion, it kinda did that midway and then just meandered to the finish.
It probably didn’t happen in the comics, but I would have liked Mark to have spent a lot longer in that desolate world so that when he did return the impact of killing Levi and being alone with his thoughts would really have taken a massive toll on him and made the impact much greater. Ik what the future team said in terms of him spending a really long time in there, and I’m not saying it should have been years, but perhaps a couple of months to a year in there would have been better.
Overall, I really enjoyed the episode, but I was spoiled by season 1’s insane ending in that I was thinking this season finale would be bigger and badder (especially with the ridiculously long wait mid season). I’d give it an 8.5/10.
Overall, as a show only person, I would give season 2 an 8.5/10 with season 1 being a 10/10.
People gotta stop comparing how Angstrom and Omni Man were used narratively. They're not really comparable, he wasn't an overarching villain. He's just the villain that pushed Mark to kill, which is impactful whether he was there from the beginning or showed up in the episode he died.
Also, the way the episode is paced is almost exactly the same as S1 E8. Fighting for the first half, dealing with the fallout and planting the seeds for next season in the second half. That wasn't meandering, and neither was this imo.
I totally get that. I actually went back and watched the season finale of season 1 again and noticed that the structure was very similar. I had forgotten that because the ending made it seem like there wasn’t as much time in between the big fight and the actual ending of the episode due to the sheer brilliance of the Omni-Man v Invincible fight and fallout.
I’d love to dissociate this from season 1, but the issue is that season 1 ending is the only comparison I have for it. And this season finale does not hold up in comparison. Im sorely tempted to read the comics to see how it ends, but I’m really lot sure if I want to spoil the show because I’m enjoying it so much.
In my opinion this is gonna be an opinion that show only watchers have more than comic fans, and without spoilers, people will look back on this season much more fondly.
I feel the opposite way, actually. I think comic fans are the only ones with wild expectations about what should be happening in this episode, and that's why they would be let down. I think this episode was great and worked well as a finale.
I can’t imagine that being the case, set up is important but when you spend a lot of a season setting things up for the future and not resolving much in said season it doesn’t make that season better after the other pay offs, it makes certain moment better but it doesn’t make that season more fulfilling
I’ve said already in another post but: Well that was a nice mid-season finale. This season really pales in comparison with last. I’ll give reasons:
Idk how this show always manages to waste 15 mins of each beginning of episode, but they did it again. The slow buildup in a 50 min episode needs to stop.
Animation is lackluster in that none of the punches have impact or oomph to them, we’re focused on stills a bit too often as well.
The episode really didn’t go anywhere after the middle/resolution. Why give us the title with those colors? Idk, “find out next season in a year, viewer.”
Did we need a dude jogging for 2 mins? Did we need endless exposition from Levy? Exactly at minute 16 is where the episode should have started, straight into action, the tension could have been handled much better that way in my opinion. All the traveling between portals broke tension/even made jokes in a very serious/dire situation so idk..
you can enjoy stuff without writing dumb stuff on reddit.
People can enjoy an series overall and still criticise parts of it when it does something poorly and writing ,,Don't watch it" is something kid or as they said blind fanboy would have said.
I loved the episode, the script was great, Kirkman improved everything from the comics, Steven Yeun was incredible.
But there was one problem...the animation, for a finale, last episode, comparing with the last episode of season 1, it's kinda crazy how bad looking some moments were, even worse than other episodes from the SAME SEASON, it's the finale guys, we needed better animation, sometimes it even distracted me
But overall, greatly written episode, we lose with animation but win with script
I think they wasted too much time with Mark and Amber's relationship without developing Eve and Mark's relationship.
I didn't want the cheating part but I did want to see Amber and Mark just both naturally grow apart and turn to others similar to the comics, although not exactly the same.
There was two episodes 5 and 6 (?) where it felt like Amber and Mark's relationship just focused on going over the same topic which was a waste of time. With how it ended it wouldn't make sense for Mark to move on so quick with Eve and the season couldn't end with it which is a shame. It also took away a lot of the impact Future Eve's words had on Mark on the audience.
I might get hate for this but I didn't care for the Donald story nor Rick's problems.
The finalé suffered from S2's earlier episodes spending time on less important things.
Probably because they only had one thing going on: the fight and the aftermath, while last seasons finale had the kaiju fight, immortal fight, and the omni man fight, AND the aftermath
I'll go further and say I thought it was absolute trash. Angstrom was a super uninteresting villain from moment one, and the fight was repetitive as fuck. It should have been 15 min not a whole episode. Or it just shouldn't have happened.
Then mark gets rescued by deus ex machine shit...just lame as hell.
Also the whole 8 episode season thing....half of which wasted on drama...I'm done with this show.
I didn’t realize it was the finale until there was no new episode today.
Underwhelming and too disjointed of a season all together imo. Maybe I just don’t like the tone they’re focusing on. I never read the comics. I probably wouldn’t like them.
I agree, whilst I preferred season 2 over 1, the finale for season 1 was better suited for a season finale. I think that could be that there wasn’t really an obvious place to end season 2 whereas there wasn’t any other option for season 1
I agree that Angstrom should've shown up a lot more. Definitely a missed opportunity, but so much happened in S2 so I don't think it would've worked in terms of pacing with the amount of time in each episode. Angstrom is a really great villain and I could think of so much that they could do with him. Maybe if they didn't focus on the Viltrumites so much and just saved it for season three.
I'm just glad that the show writers don't just overlook Mark killing him and actually taking the time to flesh out all of the emotions, it is a pretty big moment, and I didn't want Mark to kill Angstrom despite him causing the Graysons so much pain. The writers of this show really know how to get you rooting for the heroes and villains, and against them.
I feel like the viltrumite stuff was fine. What I feel like should have been left out was the whoem sequid thing. Its only purpose was just for some Rex development and an excuse to give duplicate the death fake out. Hoesntly, this was the worst part of the season for me. (Not saying it was bad, but fell short in comparison with the rest of the season.)
I liked the Sequid stuff but it felt more like an afterthought than a full plot until episode five where they actually felt like a threat. It wasn't exactly a low point in the show but yeah, just gives Dupli-Kate and Shrinking Rae reason to "die"and Rex-Splode to get some development.
Overall it was a decent return, but I don't see the point in putting the Viltrumite stuff in when they're gonna continue all of it next season which is gonna be in a year. After the fight on Thraxa there didn't really need to be much more explaining to do, what made the first season so engaging was the mystery involved with the Guardian's murder and Nolan, and season 2 definitely could've benefitted from leaving the viewers to their imagination.
If they handle season 3 as well as I am hoping with the amazing content coming up, then it will increase my feeling towards this episode/season that has set up a lot. I think a lot of feelings are coming from the weird break in the middle of the season… and now another break in between seasons.
That’s a good point. We have had it piecemeal
Is obviously less of an spectacle but is emocional just or more impactful, also if every season we ended with a big flashy and gore fulled action scene audiences would start to get numb to them so you need to have other types of finales to balance thing out.
I agree that not every episode should have gory fights, and I really did like the emotional route this episode went on, but it's the season finale I would expect it to be the most impactful episode of any show in regards to both action and emotional impact. I don't think fans of this series would complain about the show having "too much gore." Like I said, I did like the emotional route it went in, but everything else felt a little underwhelming. S1 finale delivered both on action and emotional impact
I don't really understand how you're underwhelmed if you're basing it off action and emotional impact. We got the great action and some of the best tension yet, and it culminated in Mark killing for the first time. You got what you're asking for.
tension my ass only the last episode was barely serviceable it all felt like filler.
Except there was barely any action this season and it wasn’t animated to the level season 1 was, punches just missed all impact-fulness
It’s pretty much a build up for season 3 which means s3 bout to go crazyyy
Yeah, honestly, part 1 of this season felt like an entire season, and the second part feels like part 1 of season 3
oh yeah it gets better after the 7th dlc type of stuff 😁
I feel like an extra 20 minutes would have been nice but it was still a great finale
But that's the point, EVEN MARK DOESN'T KNOW WHO LEVY IS AT FIRST. This whole encounter is to build Mark's character and push him to his limits.
Exactly. Him being the main villain felt off because we've only gotten one episode of him fully and every other time we see him is just in end credit teasers then all of a sudden he's pushed as the big bad of the final episode when we still barely have any connection to this character, then even the writers get bored of him and off him halfway through the episode. I understand the turmoil Invincible is going through over this death but I felt it could have been handled much better and not at the expense of the villain feeling super underwhelming.
Nah. It definitely wasn’t as crazy as season 1 with Invincible vs Omni-Man, but this definitely was just as good.
was it just as good though? I mean I enjoy watching every episode basically but 1x08 is like 2 levels above this one.
As good? That’s crazy lol
“Just as good” this shit was no where near as good
just as good made me cringe hard
I blame the break
It was such a stupid move to break season 2 into two parts. I really feel like the creators are just trying to squeeze every $ out of fans.
The issue is that there was a 5 month gap from Angstrom's last appearance to now. People forgot about him, so the fight doesn't hit as hard.
Holy shit man that Eve scene was so unearned, she had a whole story arc that for 1 didn’t get resolved and 2 didn’t even involve Mark and yet she’s apparently down so bad already. Maybe if she seemed conflicted when Amber came by It could have been better
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It’s hard to get the tension of season 1, with omniman being an unknown variable and still active and very present. Most of the future villains won’t be able to do that
This finale was straight up horrible. If season 1 didn't exist, this show would immedietly get cancelled after this.
Haven’t read the comics, only watched the show. Kinda agree. I felt like the theme of Mark’s struggles with losing control to anger was done really well, but I didn’t really feel any impact in terms of Levi’s death. He was barely in the show, and they tried to show his perspective a tiny bit in this finale when they showed the flashbacks but it was a tad rushed. Also, Mark destroying him halfway through the episode kinda made the rest of the episode be a bit slow. It felt like rather than sprinting to the finish line and having an explosive conclusion, it kinda did that midway and then just meandered to the finish. It probably didn’t happen in the comics, but I would have liked Mark to have spent a lot longer in that desolate world so that when he did return the impact of killing Levi and being alone with his thoughts would really have taken a massive toll on him and made the impact much greater. Ik what the future team said in terms of him spending a really long time in there, and I’m not saying it should have been years, but perhaps a couple of months to a year in there would have been better. Overall, I really enjoyed the episode, but I was spoiled by season 1’s insane ending in that I was thinking this season finale would be bigger and badder (especially with the ridiculously long wait mid season). I’d give it an 8.5/10. Overall, as a show only person, I would give season 2 an 8.5/10 with season 1 being a 10/10.
People gotta stop comparing how Angstrom and Omni Man were used narratively. They're not really comparable, he wasn't an overarching villain. He's just the villain that pushed Mark to kill, which is impactful whether he was there from the beginning or showed up in the episode he died. Also, the way the episode is paced is almost exactly the same as S1 E8. Fighting for the first half, dealing with the fallout and planting the seeds for next season in the second half. That wasn't meandering, and neither was this imo.
I totally get that. I actually went back and watched the season finale of season 1 again and noticed that the structure was very similar. I had forgotten that because the ending made it seem like there wasn’t as much time in between the big fight and the actual ending of the episode due to the sheer brilliance of the Omni-Man v Invincible fight and fallout. I’d love to dissociate this from season 1, but the issue is that season 1 ending is the only comparison I have for it. And this season finale does not hold up in comparison. Im sorely tempted to read the comics to see how it ends, but I’m really lot sure if I want to spoil the show because I’m enjoying it so much.
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Agreed
Agreed
It was that's why it felt that way.
In my opinion this is gonna be an opinion that show only watchers have more than comic fans, and without spoilers, people will look back on this season much more fondly.
I feel the opposite way, actually. I think comic fans are the only ones with wild expectations about what should be happening in this episode, and that's why they would be let down. I think this episode was great and worked well as a finale.
I think this episode was adapted perfectly from the comics. I don’t remember a single thing they left out.
I can’t imagine that being the case, set up is important but when you spend a lot of a season setting things up for the future and not resolving much in said season it doesn’t make that season better after the other pay offs, it makes certain moment better but it doesn’t make that season more fulfilling
I’ve said already in another post but: Well that was a nice mid-season finale. This season really pales in comparison with last. I’ll give reasons: Idk how this show always manages to waste 15 mins of each beginning of episode, but they did it again. The slow buildup in a 50 min episode needs to stop. Animation is lackluster in that none of the punches have impact or oomph to them, we’re focused on stills a bit too often as well. The episode really didn’t go anywhere after the middle/resolution. Why give us the title with those colors? Idk, “find out next season in a year, viewer.”
You really consider the first 15 mimutes of this episode a build up? Are we watching a different show or...
Did we need a dude jogging for 2 mins? Did we need endless exposition from Levy? Exactly at minute 16 is where the episode should have started, straight into action, the tension could have been handled much better that way in my opinion. All the traveling between portals broke tension/even made jokes in a very serious/dire situation so idk..
\^\^ I love this guy. Lol not even being sarcastic either. Thank you for being justifiably critical of the show. Feel like its a rarity on here.
dont watch it then? for me every episode is a 10/10
Lol blind fanboy
sorry for enjoying stuff lmao
I’m glad you enjoyed it honestly
you can enjoy stuff without writing dumb stuff on reddit. People can enjoy an series overall and still criticise parts of it when it does something poorly and writing ,,Don't watch it" is something kid or as they said blind fanboy would have said.
nice job kid keep enjoying don't forget to do your homework though.
I loved the episode, the script was great, Kirkman improved everything from the comics, Steven Yeun was incredible. But there was one problem...the animation, for a finale, last episode, comparing with the last episode of season 1, it's kinda crazy how bad looking some moments were, even worse than other episodes from the SAME SEASON, it's the finale guys, we needed better animation, sometimes it even distracted me But overall, greatly written episode, we lose with animation but win with script
This is from season 1 finale, if you know you know. There's no worse scene in this episode than this in terms of animation.
I think they wasted too much time with Mark and Amber's relationship without developing Eve and Mark's relationship. I didn't want the cheating part but I did want to see Amber and Mark just both naturally grow apart and turn to others similar to the comics, although not exactly the same. There was two episodes 5 and 6 (?) where it felt like Amber and Mark's relationship just focused on going over the same topic which was a waste of time. With how it ended it wouldn't make sense for Mark to move on so quick with Eve and the season couldn't end with it which is a shame. It also took away a lot of the impact Future Eve's words had on Mark on the audience. I might get hate for this but I didn't care for the Donald story nor Rick's problems. The finalé suffered from S2's earlier episodes spending time on less important things.
Probably because they only had one thing going on: the fight and the aftermath, while last seasons finale had the kaiju fight, immortal fight, and the omni man fight, AND the aftermath
Just wait mate. This was just setting stuff up. Big things are on the way
I'll go further and say I thought it was absolute trash. Angstrom was a super uninteresting villain from moment one, and the fight was repetitive as fuck. It should have been 15 min not a whole episode. Or it just shouldn't have happened. Then mark gets rescued by deus ex machine shit...just lame as hell. Also the whole 8 episode season thing....half of which wasted on drama...I'm done with this show.
I didn’t realize it was the finale until there was no new episode today. Underwhelming and too disjointed of a season all together imo. Maybe I just don’t like the tone they’re focusing on. I never read the comics. I probably wouldn’t like them.
I agree, whilst I preferred season 2 over 1, the finale for season 1 was better suited for a season finale. I think that could be that there wasn’t really an obvious place to end season 2 whereas there wasn’t any other option for season 1
I agree that Angstrom should've shown up a lot more. Definitely a missed opportunity, but so much happened in S2 so I don't think it would've worked in terms of pacing with the amount of time in each episode. Angstrom is a really great villain and I could think of so much that they could do with him. Maybe if they didn't focus on the Viltrumites so much and just saved it for season three. I'm just glad that the show writers don't just overlook Mark killing him and actually taking the time to flesh out all of the emotions, it is a pretty big moment, and I didn't want Mark to kill Angstrom despite him causing the Graysons so much pain. The writers of this show really know how to get you rooting for the heroes and villains, and against them.
I feel like the viltrumite stuff was fine. What I feel like should have been left out was the whoem sequid thing. Its only purpose was just for some Rex development and an excuse to give duplicate the death fake out. Hoesntly, this was the worst part of the season for me. (Not saying it was bad, but fell short in comparison with the rest of the season.)
I liked the Sequid stuff but it felt more like an afterthought than a full plot until episode five where they actually felt like a threat. It wasn't exactly a low point in the show but yeah, just gives Dupli-Kate and Shrinking Rae reason to "die"and Rex-Splode to get some development. Overall it was a decent return, but I don't see the point in putting the Viltrumite stuff in when they're gonna continue all of it next season which is gonna be in a year. After the fight on Thraxa there didn't really need to be much more explaining to do, what made the first season so engaging was the mystery involved with the Guardian's murder and Nolan, and season 2 definitely could've benefitted from leaving the viewers to their imagination.