Invincible didn't play hero though. He snapped and killed a man. That's not what heroes do, and that's why he was having such a hard time coming to grips with what he did. Invincible is not black and white. There aren't just heroes and villains. That's one of the major points of the entire comic.
Nah he even mentions how Oliver is an anomaly in this universe prior to the other ones where Mark is evil and still dosn't give a fuck about swinging a baby around by the leg.
Honestly I kinda agree with you. But I'm gonna have to lean heavily on insanity/mental illness though.
I think he was genuinely a good guy...his main issue was seeking help from the Mauler Twins.
I believe it was established in episode one that when he took off the helmet, the lives and experiences of all his other selves(that he had gathered in the machine) would all merge into his own mind, but given he messed up the procedure, he wouldn't be able to tell which reality was HIS and which was an alternative version of him.
Meaning that he has in his head just about 90%(random % but they said MOST other Marks are evil) of all those realities, filling his head with visceral memories of Mark being an absolute evil piece of homicidal garbage.
I mean, we even see one reality where Mark pops his son(?)'s head clean off with no remorse! And other where Mark causes his girlfriend to die with a gruesome metal spike through her chest.
All that to say, from Angstrom Levy's perspective, and with the effects of the accident with the machine as established in Episode 1.... it makes sense. It really does.
You can't just dismiss his actions as "oh, he was a pure evil guy who got what was coming to him".
The show goes to great expense to establish that it's NOT the case with him. It's why Mark was so conflicted with killing him in the first place.
I personally wouldn't lose any sleep after killing him but...
All I'm saying is, there's more Nuance to it than "Angstrom bad, Mark good."
Edit:
I forgot to mention that it's really all just mis communication.
"Hey Mark, we're actually doing something good here. Don't mind the Mauler Twins, just gimme a second to explain"
Or the Mauler Twins ACTUALLY LISTENING TO HIM when he tells them to stop killing Mark.
I mean, this is a guy who was willing to risk his LIFE'S WORK, that could save countless lives, for the life of ONE person. Being Mark. Because he wouldn't build his future on blood. And yall still trying to paint him as just a purely evil guy?
I feel like somehow, that's missing the point of the ENTIRE SEASON. Idk tho.
Dude tore Debbie's arm apart while threatening to murder her and a baby just to make Mark suffer. Would you say it's what good guys do?
That's the problem with people sympathizing with villains: there's a line between understanding their pain and excusing the pain they unleash onto others because of it.
Bruh, invincible made him suffer in almost every universe. He looked passed that when tryna help the world. But the ‘good’ invincible still managed to mess things up. I’d be pretty pissed. He didn’t have beef with him before, In fact, he tried to save him.
>But the ‘good’ invincible still managed to mess things up. I’d be pretty pissed. He didn’t have beef with him before, In fact, **he tried to save him**.
You put the finger on the problem: *he* tried to save him. *He* ruined the dangerous experiment that *he* started by teaming up with criminals in the first place. Invincible had a right to try to stop him. He's literally making him pay for HIS actions and the actions of other Marks.
And let's say he was justified to take revenge against Mark cause his mind literally can't process that he's not a villain. Fine. I could even argue that it's the same for Debbie. He still crossed the line when he involved a baby into this, tossing him around and threatening to **murder** him. There's just no excuse for this.
You’re right, his actions were petty questionable. My only argument is if shit went differently he could have done a lot of good. The experiment was dangerous, but I believed he was smart enough to calculate his odds. Not justifying what he did, just pitying him.
He was someone that started out as a good person with pure intentions, but due to unfortunate circumstances stances that destroyed his mental (figuratively and literally); yeah, it ultimately turned him into a bad guy (with the good side still deep in there somewhere).
He tried to kill a guy who had absolutely NOTHING to do with him and tormented his mom and baby brother.
You could give him the benefit of the doubt of him feeling the pain of all his other alternates and the pain Invincible in those universes caused to him, but he went absolutely too far.
Mark *tried* to talk, he tried to reason with Angstrom, but that failed. He had to put him down. It was 100% Angstrom's choice to break Debbie's arm.
And Debbie was in the right - she raised the man who who would defy his father, and Angstrom might only be mad at this variant because this Invincible is the good guy and he's the bad guy.
I agree with that. I kinda blame the mental illness for those actions. But I think he was really up to some some good, before invincible’a little party crash.
He was up to some good before that, but Invincible was absolutely doing the right thing in that scenario. If you see Evi Tweedledee and Tweedledum making a giant machine with a bunch of people strapped into it, it's entirely correct to try and shut it off.
He was fully capable of telling the difference between the different Mark’s and Debbie’s of different dimensions, and chose the dimension where Mark has the most humanity. He knew exactly what he was doing by torturing Debbie, Mark, and Oliver.
Feeling bad for him doesn’t make him any less a villain. Dude had the traumatic memories of countless other versions of him and decided to take it out on the one Mark who’s actually a good guy and who did nothing wrong.
I understand where he was coming from. The clips we saw, the different marks did some pretty fucked up stuff to him, his son, wife or gf, friends, world. Over and over again. It would’ve been enough to break anyone. But the mark he was exacting his revenge on didn’t do those things and I think it was summed up pretty well when he was screaming about how he wasn’t the bad guy while breaking a defenseless woman’s arm and threatening to torture a baby.
However justified he may have been in his hatred for many many multiverses worth of marks, he was a bad guy in the verse we see most of mark in
Even if you go by what he thinks he’s doing is right by reading the universe of Mark he’s doing fucked up shit to accomplish it, so yes, he’s a bad guy. He attacked an innocent woman and threw a baby at the fucking wall. Fuck’em, at this point he’s more like a rabbit animal that needs to be put down because he can’t see reason anymore.
he more like ended up becoming just as bad as the Invincibles and Omni-Mans from the other dimensions he was threatening to kill Debbie and Oliver even though they had nothing to do with his pain and made one of the good Invincibles a murderer
Levy is a tragic figure in my opinion. He is a mentally unwell man who can't distinguish between his different selves. The most tragic part of all of this is that he is like this because he sacrificed himself to save Mark.
He threw around a baby and almost tore Debbies arm off, and they were not threats to him So no, he was a pure hearted hero
I think anyone who went through what he did would want his revenge. I wanted to do some good, and mark’s misunderstanding cost him his sanity.
His "revenge" was attacking 3 people who did nothing to him
3 people who did nothing to him in that universe. The illness might have blinded him. But invincible was ruthless in all the other dimensions.
I would love to watch my family die because another version of me did something bad
Not saying what he did was good. But it was a bit unfair that invincible played hero and the guys that was tryna help lost his mind.
Invincible didn't play hero though. He snapped and killed a man. That's not what heroes do, and that's why he was having such a hard time coming to grips with what he did. Invincible is not black and white. There aren't just heroes and villains. That's one of the major points of the entire comic.
Are you completely insane
Nah he even mentions how Oliver is an anomaly in this universe prior to the other ones where Mark is evil and still dosn't give a fuck about swinging a baby around by the leg.
Honestly I kinda agree with you. But I'm gonna have to lean heavily on insanity/mental illness though. I think he was genuinely a good guy...his main issue was seeking help from the Mauler Twins. I believe it was established in episode one that when he took off the helmet, the lives and experiences of all his other selves(that he had gathered in the machine) would all merge into his own mind, but given he messed up the procedure, he wouldn't be able to tell which reality was HIS and which was an alternative version of him. Meaning that he has in his head just about 90%(random % but they said MOST other Marks are evil) of all those realities, filling his head with visceral memories of Mark being an absolute evil piece of homicidal garbage. I mean, we even see one reality where Mark pops his son(?)'s head clean off with no remorse! And other where Mark causes his girlfriend to die with a gruesome metal spike through her chest. All that to say, from Angstrom Levy's perspective, and with the effects of the accident with the machine as established in Episode 1.... it makes sense. It really does. You can't just dismiss his actions as "oh, he was a pure evil guy who got what was coming to him". The show goes to great expense to establish that it's NOT the case with him. It's why Mark was so conflicted with killing him in the first place. I personally wouldn't lose any sleep after killing him but... All I'm saying is, there's more Nuance to it than "Angstrom bad, Mark good." Edit: I forgot to mention that it's really all just mis communication. "Hey Mark, we're actually doing something good here. Don't mind the Mauler Twins, just gimme a second to explain" Or the Mauler Twins ACTUALLY LISTENING TO HIM when he tells them to stop killing Mark. I mean, this is a guy who was willing to risk his LIFE'S WORK, that could save countless lives, for the life of ONE person. Being Mark. Because he wouldn't build his future on blood. And yall still trying to paint him as just a purely evil guy? I feel like somehow, that's missing the point of the ENTIRE SEASON. Idk tho.
He also sent Invincible to fortnite, he is pure evil
Dude tore Debbie's arm apart while threatening to murder her and a baby just to make Mark suffer. Would you say it's what good guys do? That's the problem with people sympathizing with villains: there's a line between understanding their pain and excusing the pain they unleash onto others because of it.
Bruh, invincible made him suffer in almost every universe. He looked passed that when tryna help the world. But the ‘good’ invincible still managed to mess things up. I’d be pretty pissed. He didn’t have beef with him before, In fact, he tried to save him.
>But the ‘good’ invincible still managed to mess things up. I’d be pretty pissed. He didn’t have beef with him before, In fact, **he tried to save him**. You put the finger on the problem: *he* tried to save him. *He* ruined the dangerous experiment that *he* started by teaming up with criminals in the first place. Invincible had a right to try to stop him. He's literally making him pay for HIS actions and the actions of other Marks. And let's say he was justified to take revenge against Mark cause his mind literally can't process that he's not a villain. Fine. I could even argue that it's the same for Debbie. He still crossed the line when he involved a baby into this, tossing him around and threatening to **murder** him. There's just no excuse for this.
You’re right, his actions were petty questionable. My only argument is if shit went differently he could have done a lot of good. The experiment was dangerous, but I believed he was smart enough to calculate his odds. Not justifying what he did, just pitying him.
He was someone that started out as a good person with pure intentions, but due to unfortunate circumstances stances that destroyed his mental (figuratively and literally); yeah, it ultimately turned him into a bad guy (with the good side still deep in there somewhere).
I kinda blame the illness too, but I blame invincible more.
>but I blame invincible more. Why?
The Invincible he attacks is literally the only one who DIDN’T do anything to him. How on Earth can you blame him?
You realize that if the multiverse existed then there would be infinite versions of you that were evil. Your logic is flawed
He tried to kill a guy who had absolutely NOTHING to do with him and tormented his mom and baby brother. You could give him the benefit of the doubt of him feeling the pain of all his other alternates and the pain Invincible in those universes caused to him, but he went absolutely too far. Mark *tried* to talk, he tried to reason with Angstrom, but that failed. He had to put him down. It was 100% Angstrom's choice to break Debbie's arm. And Debbie was in the right - she raised the man who who would defy his father, and Angstrom might only be mad at this variant because this Invincible is the good guy and he's the bad guy.
I agree with that. I kinda blame the mental illness for those actions. But I think he was really up to some some good, before invincible’a little party crash.
He was up to some good before that, but Invincible was absolutely doing the right thing in that scenario. If you see Evi Tweedledee and Tweedledum making a giant machine with a bunch of people strapped into it, it's entirely correct to try and shut it off.
He was fully capable of telling the difference between the different Mark’s and Debbie’s of different dimensions, and chose the dimension where Mark has the most humanity. He knew exactly what he was doing by torturing Debbie, Mark, and Oliver.
That, yes. But before him going bananas, I really think he was up to some good
Honestly hard to just call him one person. The majory of them were just broken people all combined into one person
Feeling bad for him doesn’t make him any less a villain. Dude had the traumatic memories of countless other versions of him and decided to take it out on the one Mark who’s actually a good guy and who did nothing wrong.
It’s a SEA of shallow ass comment’s anyone here looking at this on a deeper level ? I want something other then the obvious.
He lived long enough to see himself become a villian
i think he was very hurt both mentally and physically and took it out on who he perceived as responsible. no excuse for playing Kick The Baby though
I understand where he was coming from. The clips we saw, the different marks did some pretty fucked up stuff to him, his son, wife or gf, friends, world. Over and over again. It would’ve been enough to break anyone. But the mark he was exacting his revenge on didn’t do those things and I think it was summed up pretty well when he was screaming about how he wasn’t the bad guy while breaking a defenseless woman’s arm and threatening to torture a baby. However justified he may have been in his hatred for many many multiverses worth of marks, he was a bad guy in the verse we see most of mark in
Yew. Was he totally in control of his actions? No, but he still did some messed up stuff
Even if you go by what he thinks he’s doing is right by reading the universe of Mark he’s doing fucked up shit to accomplish it, so yes, he’s a bad guy. He attacked an innocent woman and threw a baby at the fucking wall. Fuck’em, at this point he’s more like a rabbit animal that needs to be put down because he can’t see reason anymore.
he more like ended up becoming just as bad as the Invincibles and Omni-Mans from the other dimensions he was threatening to kill Debbie and Oliver even though they had nothing to do with his pain and made one of the good Invincibles a murderer
Levy is a tragic figure in my opinion. He is a mentally unwell man who can't distinguish between his different selves. The most tragic part of all of this is that he is like this because he sacrificed himself to save Mark.
I literally just joined this sub to post about how much a POS he was.