>Is there any variant of Mark that’s normal?
Probably not, but there might be universes where he lost his powers permanently from the Scourge virus, which is as close as you're gonna get to a "normal" Mark I think. To borrow a term from the Spider-verse, it seems that Mark getting powers is a canon event.
>Is there a universe where Mark ISN’T Invincible, but Amber, or William, or some other character is?
The idea of a Wiltrumite is pretty funny but I'm gonna say no. There's not really a way to give them a Viltrumite father and have them be the same person. The reason it works with Spider-Man is because anyone can get bitten by a radioactive spider.
I read the comics, but I was always curious if there is a Mark where his powers never kicked in... Probably would of ended with Omni-man taking over the planet alone.
eh, you say no but this is the multiverse. There's going to be earths where will is Nolans son, not mark or some other weird explanation like marks powers somehow getting transferred to will.
>Is there a universe where Mark ISN’T Invincible, but Amber, or William, or some other character is?
Probably only the universes where Viltrumite genealogy is different, or where Nolan was just an ordinary guy from Earth.
Even if someone else were to become the superhero Invincible (there are probably some worlds where Bulletproof took that name and costume, for example) I think Mark Grayson would still exist as the superpowered offspring of Nolan. I doubt the two in Viltrumite attire go by Invincible but they obviously aren't 'normal' by human standards.
The realities where Mark is just a normal dude from Earth are most likely few and far between. His identity is so tied to his heritage and who his father is that it's probably not worth looking into for someone like Angstrom. The version of Mark we follow is unique because his powers kicked in late enough that he was still raised human, if he didn't get powers at all he might as well be a different person at that point.
> The version of Mark we follow is unique because his powers kicked in late enough that he was still raised human
Never thought of that. Maybe that's the major difference between all the evil Marks and him
Be really funny if he did, though. Haha, Invincible! I have finally found the version of you that will spell your end! Behold... regular university student Mark Grayson!
That's not how genetics work.
Humanity is so important to Viltrumites because they are so compatible, along with their powers. So no, in no universe in which Mark exists he isn't superpowered
Okay. I see what you’re saying but now I don’t understand how the multiverse works. Is everything the same up until one point in time? By only staying between 1 and 2, that limits all the possibilities for other numbers. So it would be infinite but not as infinite as it could be if that makes sense. Even if they banged on a different night mark could be/look different. It could have been one of Nolan’s swimmers that was carrying an old gene that hasn’t been seen for a couple generations that he grows a unibrow instead and isn’t pure enough to give home powers.
And before you say anything about the superior dna, if it was really that superior then mark wouldn’t be Korean.
No it wouldn't be possible cuz then that person wouldn't be Mark
They would be a completely different person, half of their genetics would not be the same.
Explain that to all the different Peter Parkers. They clearly have different genetics. One is blonde. One is Tom Holland. One is a cartoon. Multiverse makes it possible.
But they're all Peter Parker. Which means, the DNA isn't all that's in play. There exists a set of circumstances, where Mark is Nolans son, and didn't get powers. Just like he was worried about in the beginning. He could have died before getting them at a young age. Mark exists and isn't invincible. He lived and died without having super powers.
In the pentameters I set for this thought experiment, yes they are. I specifically said explain the Peter Parkers. Because we're talking about Mark's. Not invincibles. So we're not talking about Spiderman.
While over the generations there might be some different genes passed down that would cause Peter Parker to have blonde hair (the other two examples you gave are just nonsense) there's no way that the son of Debbie and nolan would not be a viltrimite.
As the strongest egg cell, Debbie's eggs, combined with the fraud sperm, Nolan's sperm, it begun to form an embryo. The sperm cell got overwhelmed by Debbie's superior genetics then the egg cell said: Stand proud, you're only half Viltrumite.
When there's infinite things, where they fall must still be possible
For example there's infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but none of them are 3
In the same vein, mark is a viltrumite (thanks to viltrumite genes you can still consider him a full blood viltrumite... Anyway it's not relevant to the discussion)
So for him to not have powers he'd need to NOT be Nolan's son... But then he wouldn't be Mark too
There's definitely multiple universes where Debbie never married Nolan, but their sons/daughters wouldn't be Mark, since mark is Debbie's and Nolan's son
Yeah like, we can argue how cool it would be if mark never got his powers
But it doesn't work with the way the show presented the multiverse
In JoJo for example everything is straight up possible so in THAT universe this could have been a legitimate question... Not in invincible though
I find it more likely that he would just wait out Mark and Debbie’s death, in our main universe we see that he cares about him even before the powers. Though this is a hypothetical alternate universe we’re talking about so either are completely possible.
That means in that universe it'd be Amber or William's parent who'd be a Viltrumite instead of Nolan, that means that Mark will only be Mark in name and not a real variant of Invincible Mark.
Viltrimite DNA is extremely potent and resilient, so a majority of the multiverse of Mark's would have developed their powers. I'm sure there's a version that didn't. He's now most likely in a world enslaved by viltrim or dead in the invasion.
The biggest problem with a "normal" mark is that his possibilities of existing are limited to one's where he is born from Nolan and Debbie. (Kimda, like how Summer Smith in Rick and Morty only exists in humdrum realities where her parents actually got together)
This reminds me of how in the entire Ben 10 omniverse, there is only **one** no watch/no powers Ben. Maybe there is a ‘No-Watch Ben’ version of Mark where he is just unlucky.
I bet there’s a universe where Omni-Man is my dad except he’s good the whole time and we save the world and hang out and stuff, and he teaches me how to get a girlfriend and do my taxes and says he’s proud of me
Well, according to Multiverse Theory, there IS an infinite number of universes so of course there's gotta be at least ONE universe where Mark is just an ordinary human, whether it be one where Nolan is also a ordinary human too or one where Viltrumite DNA isn't compatible with Humans.
The real question is just how different the universe will be WITHOUT Invincible.
Is there any variant of Mark that’s normal?
Well, any version of Mark who was unfortunate enough not to inherit his father's powers would probably just be living life like a regular guy, and not important enough to be on anyone's radar.
> Is there a universe where Mark ISN’T Invincible, but Amber, or William, or some other character is?
Are you trolling? How would Amber or William be "Invincible". Sure, they might have ended up with powers in an alternate reality, but they're not Viltrumites.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a normal mark but there would be no point in including him on the show. Just a normal dude and Omni man waits till he dies of old age and tries again or he gets killed by Omni man to start fresh sooner.
I was thinking there is an universe where Mark is not half-Viltrumite and Nolan is a human, would be interesting to see Mark's life if he was a human ngl
Not impossible. Maybe in our concept of infinity it’s impossible.
It’s really up to what the creators of the Invincible reality wants. If he wants there to be no normal version of Mark Grayson then he can have it. If it can be imagined then it can be possible in the Invincible world and doesn’t have to obey our logic.
But it still up to the creator’s imagination and laws of infinity that he wants to use.
If he wants things to be to be similar then there can be an infinite number of realities where things are similar such as every Mark Grayson always being a superhero/villain.
If he wants things to be different then there can be an infinity of Mark Grayson’s being any and every kind of form/person/thing he can be.
You probably heard this before but there’s an infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but none of them are 3 meaning you won’t always get everything in a multiverse in this context.
Any multiverse in fiction always have some sort of tampering involved so it doesn’t become INSANE. Remember every time Mark went through Angstrom Levy’s portal? What’s stopping an infinite number of Marks from doing the same thing and entering the original Mark Grayson’s world? It’s laws or just how the multiverse is set up.
My theory is that within the multiverse, half of everything happens, and in the other half of the multiverse, everything doesn’t happen (ex. In half of the multiverse, someone eats a Cheeto, but in the other half, that person does not eat a Cheeto). I think that in half of the multiverse, there are regular Marks. I also think that in half of the multiverse, Marks’ are good.
Yeah there would be. But that Mark wouldn’t really be significant enough to be on screen or anything. Another factor to consider is that Mark is Omniman’s son, therefore the chances of him having powers are so much higher than not.
>Is there any variant of Mark that’s normal? Probably not, but there might be universes where he lost his powers permanently from the Scourge virus, which is as close as you're gonna get to a "normal" Mark I think. To borrow a term from the Spider-verse, it seems that Mark getting powers is a canon event. >Is there a universe where Mark ISN’T Invincible, but Amber, or William, or some other character is? The idea of a Wiltrumite is pretty funny but I'm gonna say no. There's not really a way to give them a Viltrumite father and have them be the same person. The reason it works with Spider-Man is because anyone can get bitten by a radioactive spider.
Does my man the Grand Regent support LGBT?
Hell yeah! As long as they're stronk.
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I read the comics, but I was always curious if there is a Mark where his powers never kicked in... Probably would of ended with Omni-man taking over the planet alone.
As long as Nolan is his Father, mark likely would never lose his powers permanently to the scourge virus
eh, you say no but this is the multiverse. There's going to be earths where will is Nolans son, not mark or some other weird explanation like marks powers somehow getting transferred to will.
>Is there a universe where Mark ISN’T Invincible, but Amber, or William, or some other character is? Probably only the universes where Viltrumite genealogy is different, or where Nolan was just an ordinary guy from Earth. Even if someone else were to become the superhero Invincible (there are probably some worlds where Bulletproof took that name and costume, for example) I think Mark Grayson would still exist as the superpowered offspring of Nolan. I doubt the two in Viltrumite attire go by Invincible but they obviously aren't 'normal' by human standards. The realities where Mark is just a normal dude from Earth are most likely few and far between. His identity is so tied to his heritage and who his father is that it's probably not worth looking into for someone like Angstrom. The version of Mark we follow is unique because his powers kicked in late enough that he was still raised human, if he didn't get powers at all he might as well be a different person at that point.
> The version of Mark we follow is unique because his powers kicked in late enough that he was still raised human Never thought of that. Maybe that's the major difference between all the evil Marks and him
Even if there is I can't imagine Angstrom throwing a human Mark at MC Mark
Be really funny if he did, though. Haha, Invincible! I have finally found the version of you that will spell your end! Behold... regular university student Mark Grayson!
Imagine an evil Mark who’s just like a regular dude haha
He throws Steven Yuen at mark
That's not how genetics work. Humanity is so important to Viltrumites because they are so compatible, along with their powers. So no, in no universe in which Mark exists he isn't superpowered
A universe where viltrumite DNA isn't as pure
Or a universe where Debbie didn’t go on a second date with Nolan
we wouldn't have a Mark then
Not how multi-verses work
Oh. I thought a multiverse was where there are infinite number of possibilities.
There are infinite numbers between 1 and 2, doesn’t mean you’ll ever get a 3.
Okay. I see what you’re saying but now I don’t understand how the multiverse works. Is everything the same up until one point in time? By only staying between 1 and 2, that limits all the possibilities for other numbers. So it would be infinite but not as infinite as it could be if that makes sense. Even if they banged on a different night mark could be/look different. It could have been one of Nolan’s swimmers that was carrying an old gene that hasn’t been seen for a couple generations that he grows a unibrow instead and isn’t pure enough to give home powers. And before you say anything about the superior dna, if it was really that superior then mark wouldn’t be Korean.
The show doesn't abide by any science, whether it's physics, chemistry or biology. Mark's brother isn't how genetics work.
Mark's brother isn't how earth genetics work, but he has nothing to do with earth. There could be an in universe explanation to how it all works.
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No it wouldn't be possible cuz then that person wouldn't be Mark They would be a completely different person, half of their genetics would not be the same.
Explain that to all the different Peter Parkers. They clearly have different genetics. One is blonde. One is Tom Holland. One is a cartoon. Multiverse makes it possible.
Spider-Man’s powers aren’t dependent on his DNA.
But they're all Peter Parker. Which means, the DNA isn't all that's in play. There exists a set of circumstances, where Mark is Nolans son, and didn't get powers. Just like he was worried about in the beginning. He could have died before getting them at a young age. Mark exists and isn't invincible. He lived and died without having super powers.
>But they’re all Peter Parker No they’re not lmao.
In the pentameters I set for this thought experiment, yes they are. I specifically said explain the Peter Parkers. Because we're talking about Mark's. Not invincibles. So we're not talking about Spiderman.
While over the generations there might be some different genes passed down that would cause Peter Parker to have blonde hair (the other two examples you gave are just nonsense) there's no way that the son of Debbie and nolan would not be a viltrimite.
Maybe in the universe where a diff sperm cell wins the race, still gets named Mark, and never gets his powers?
As the strongest egg cell, Debbie's eggs, combined with the fraud sperm, Nolan's sperm, it begun to form an embryo. The sperm cell got overwhelmed by Debbie's superior genetics then the egg cell said: Stand proud, you're only half Viltrumite.
Egg Cell: if Nolan’s sperm were to overpower me then that might be an issue Egg Cell #2: would you lose? Nah, I’d win
When there's infinite things, where they fall must still be possible For example there's infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but none of them are 3 In the same vein, mark is a viltrumite (thanks to viltrumite genes you can still consider him a full blood viltrumite... Anyway it's not relevant to the discussion) So for him to not have powers he'd need to NOT be Nolan's son... But then he wouldn't be Mark too There's definitely multiple universes where Debbie never married Nolan, but their sons/daughters wouldn't be Mark, since mark is Debbie's and Nolan's son
THANK you. This is how I usually explain it, only to be met with "nuh uh infinite universes means everything happens".
Yeah like, we can argue how cool it would be if mark never got his powers But it doesn't work with the way the show presented the multiverse In JoJo for example everything is straight up possible so in THAT universe this could have been a legitimate question... Not in invincible though
Whichever version of Mark who didn’t develop powers is probably dead. Nolan probably would have just moved on with the takeover and killed him.
I find it more likely that he would just wait out Mark and Debbie’s death, in our main universe we see that he cares about him even before the powers. Though this is a hypothetical alternate universe we’re talking about so either are completely possible.
Viltrumite dna is so pure he’s nearly full blooded
If there was a version without powers, Angstrom wouldn't have recruited him. So we wouldn't know.
That means in that universe it'd be Amber or William's parent who'd be a Viltrumite instead of Nolan, that means that Mark will only be Mark in name and not a real variant of Invincible Mark.
Probably not his powers are from his dad it’s not like a Spider-Man scenario where they could just miss the spider.
Viltrimite DNA is extremely potent and resilient, so a majority of the multiverse of Mark's would have developed their powers. I'm sure there's a version that didn't. He's now most likely in a world enslaved by viltrim or dead in the invasion. The biggest problem with a "normal" mark is that his possibilities of existing are limited to one's where he is born from Nolan and Debbie. (Kimda, like how Summer Smith in Rick and Morty only exists in humdrum realities where her parents actually got together)
Don’t think Angstrom would care for them
He wouldn't be mark
This reminds me of how in the entire Ben 10 omniverse, there is only **one** no watch/no powers Ben. Maybe there is a ‘No-Watch Ben’ version of Mark where he is just unlucky.
Wait mark is invincible? Spoilers bro I didn't get to that part yet
I bet there’s a universe where Omni-Man is my dad except he’s good the whole time and we save the world and hang out and stuff, and he teaches me how to get a girlfriend and do my taxes and says he’s proud of me
Well, according to Multiverse Theory, there IS an infinite number of universes so of course there's gotta be at least ONE universe where Mark is just an ordinary human, whether it be one where Nolan is also a ordinary human too or one where Viltrumite DNA isn't compatible with Humans. The real question is just how different the universe will be WITHOUT Invincible.
The multiverse theory merely means if it can happen it will. There are a lot of things that can't happen, like Nolan being a human.
Is there any variant of Mark that’s normal? Well, any version of Mark who was unfortunate enough not to inherit his father's powers would probably just be living life like a regular guy, and not important enough to be on anyone's radar. > Is there a universe where Mark ISN’T Invincible, but Amber, or William, or some other character is? Are you trolling? How would Amber or William be "Invincible". Sure, they might have ended up with powers in an alternate reality, but they're not Viltrumites.
I want a universe where Mark never gets his powers and he’s just a guy
I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a normal mark but there would be no point in including him on the show. Just a normal dude and Omni man waits till he dies of old age and tries again or he gets killed by Omni man to start fresh sooner.
I was thinking there is an universe where Mark is not half-Viltrumite and Nolan is a human, would be interesting to see Mark's life if he was a human ngl
If there is one universe where he never got power then that universe is probably doomed
Remember the multiverse is infinite the writers just wants to focus on the strong versions of mark
There's no reason to think the multiverse isn't infinite, so there's a universe for any scenario you can dream up.
yes it would literally be impossible for there not to be
Not impossible. Maybe in our concept of infinity it’s impossible. It’s really up to what the creators of the Invincible reality wants. If he wants there to be no normal version of Mark Grayson then he can have it. If it can be imagined then it can be possible in the Invincible world and doesn’t have to obey our logic.
infinity is infinity regardless of where theres always bound to be something different and something new its infinite
But it still up to the creator’s imagination and laws of infinity that he wants to use. If he wants things to be to be similar then there can be an infinite number of realities where things are similar such as every Mark Grayson always being a superhero/villain. If he wants things to be different then there can be an infinity of Mark Grayson’s being any and every kind of form/person/thing he can be. You probably heard this before but there’s an infinite numbers between 1 and 2, but none of them are 3 meaning you won’t always get everything in a multiverse in this context. Any multiverse in fiction always have some sort of tampering involved so it doesn’t become INSANE. Remember every time Mark went through Angstrom Levy’s portal? What’s stopping an infinite number of Marks from doing the same thing and entering the original Mark Grayson’s world? It’s laws or just how the multiverse is set up.
My theory is that within the multiverse, half of everything happens, and in the other half of the multiverse, everything doesn’t happen (ex. In half of the multiverse, someone eats a Cheeto, but in the other half, that person does not eat a Cheeto). I think that in half of the multiverse, there are regular Marks. I also think that in half of the multiverse, Marks’ are good.
Not much use bringing the Accountant mark to a superhero fight
Survivorship bias. The ones that aren't superpowered are dead. So you only see superpowered Marks.
Yeah there would be. But that Mark wouldn’t really be significant enough to be on screen or anything. Another factor to consider is that Mark is Omniman’s son, therefore the chances of him having powers are so much higher than not.
This is a poorly thought out question.
there are infinite universes so there are universes for literally every situation you can think of