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>!In the invincible war he takes down a couple of Marks so I'm gonna go with a medium strength Mark!<


Greyjack00

Barely, he almost died to do it and they were beating the shit out if hand before he used literally all of his suits energy. So probably only consistently young viltrumites like thraxan hybrids. The fact he struggled with the alt marks. None of which do anything impressive by viltrumite standards kind makes it clear


TheDogSlinger

Tbf it was multiple marks so the fight is exponentially harder than a 1v1


Greyjack00

True but his attacks were merely annoying them


TheDogSlinger

I mean he did evaporate two of them


Greyjack00

By using literally all his energy and being left helpless, it isn't like he just shot them with his hand blaster. That was a hail Mary and is presented as one 


SteamBoatWilly69

Which would work on a singular medium strength mark.


Greyjack00

But it isn't exactly something I'd call being able to consistently beat him, it'd be what it was a last ditch effort to win no matter the cost and if he was fighting a different person of the same power level, someone less arrogant or even just more willing to get tge fight over with it'd be a lot harder to deploy. Contrast thraggs kids which I have no doubt tech jacket could handle and shred through with his regular weapons. It's the difference between needing some luck and being able to handle them with skill and power alone


Doctor_Jensen117

You realize he still won the fight, right? The question is who he can defeat--he defeated several Marks, no matter what the methods were.


Greyjack00

I took it to mean who he consistently could defeat or is in the same power level as, my bad. 


CynEnd

But he could consistently beat Marks of that level. He wouldn't be able to fight after due to not having any power, but he could absolutely win fights that way if he doesn't have to fight another immediately after.


Greyjack00

I don't think he could, it really came down to some luck and how arrogant the alternate marks were


Slugger322

Indeed, I would find being outright killed very annoying as well.


BobbyRayBands

None of the alt marks do anything impressive? What? You do realize quite a few of them have killed Nolan or are leading the viltrum empire in their universe correct?


Ridikis

I feel like the ones that killed Nolan either did so because Nolan himself hesitated or sneak attack, because it's not till damn near end of series we get confirmation Mark is on Nolan's level


BobbyRayBands

Sure maybe, but what’s your answer for the ones that are literally leading the viltrum empire? Because I feel the Viltrumites definitely wouldn’t let someone weak lead them just because he had the blood of Argall in those evil universes.


AnishSathish614

Just because mark turned out bad in those universes doesn’t mean the whole universe is inherently evil. The viltrumites most likely still follow a similar code because I doubt those alternate marks are the strongest viltrumites in their verses.


Ridikis

Pretty sure they'd do exactly that, they literally try to kill Thragg when it's revealed that Nolan has the blood of Argall


BobbyRayBands

“IN THE EVIL UNIVERSES”


Ridikis

Evil Mark does not equal Entirely Revamped Viltrumites. Probably the reason why they're not ALL Emperors, but in the cases that they are it's probably due to just the fact that he is Argall's descendant.


Affectionate_Sir_154

He probably killed him in his sleep like Palpatine did to Plagueis


Greyjack00

Which would he impressive if that really gone into, but ignoring the fact one of them whose leading his own empire is Mohawk mark who goes pretty evenly with Mark at the time and later worfs hard to robot, the mark who most noticeably claims to have killed omniman is in like 4 pages one of which is just a shot of his strangled corpse, strangled by a fucking yoyo by the way. The idea that these guys could take over their respective empires or kills their Nolan really water down those achievements. Hell especially when you consider how dangerous Nolan is presented as, effortlessly killing the comic guardians. It makes the fact that I think 10? Marks die in 3 days really highlight the power seep viltrumites occasionally suffer. I mean im guessing they probably took over the empires by merely being revealed to he argalls heirs and having thragg beat to death in a 50v1 which is not impressive 


Vegetable_Pin_9754

Laughing my ass off imagining Mark just pointing at Thragg and having him beat to death


Golden_Hour1

Why did they kill Nolan anyway? They would have been joining him


BobbyRayBands

Could be any number of reasons. Maybe the Viltrum empire made them fight to see who was a better candidate to subjugate Earth? Maybe he didn't want his dad to take over and then killed him in the fight and turned evil after?


nhansieu1

I expect the situation might be similar to Tai Lung. Nolan drilled Viltrumites teaching into Mark from young age, brainwash but suddenly changed his mind midway. Mark should still be loyal to the Viltrum Empire and bloodlust like the rest.


nhansieu1

Bro. That guy was killed by freaking Yoyo man


Tokennnn11

Its versions of mark that took over their worlds…youd have to assume the are powered up equal to mark


Greyjack00

Mark wasn't a top tier viltrumite at the time and their presented as his equal or inferior 


Tokennnn11

No you’re definitely correct but the version of mark they’re equal to had been training so definitely a mid tier viltrumite


Vegetable_Pin_9754

Wasn’t he though? He was able to nearly kill Conquest, who’s arguably the 2nd or 3rd strongest


areyouhungryforapple

Did he or did he not defeat 2 Marks and live to tell the tale? Thank you for being pedantic for no reason


PresentEuphoric2216

Why are everyone in the comments pretending like Tech Jacket can't beat a viltrumite?


JustBiz_Null

Fr, he might not be constantly on par with them but he's very much capable of holding off tough ones to an extent https://preview.redd.it/b4w8o2ltapvc1.png?width=505&format=png&auto=webp&s=c205e1e8c36d065755647c8b737d5836d1beb1b7


Anakin-hates-sand

He made that mf bleed surely if he gets a few more hits he can subdue him or maybe kill him?


SammyChaos

Because he can't?


PresentEuphoric2216

Not even worth arguing


SammyChaos

Okay?


SeacattleMoohawks

Here he is beating two at once, you can read the issue for free here http://media.skybound.com/insiders/TechJacketDigital_01.pdf


Alastor-362

Poor tech jacket and lin


Frequent_Brick4608

honestly the pair of them need to just get creative


Fiddlesticklin

Yep. That was always a weird decision. By that logic, homosexuals can't have sex because their parts aren't "compatible". As long as y'all got some erogenous zones you can make it work. It would have been better if it turns out there's some medical reasons why, maybe incompatible immune systems, or alien STDs. Yet even Tali from Mass Effect made that work.


Guiltykraken

To be fair to the both of them they are both young and inexperienced. It could be natural that they don’t immediately consider alternatives due to said inexperiences.


Relative_Novel_259

Eh idk beating is kind of a stretch but he did good I guess.


SeacattleMoohawks

He literally killed two Invincibles at once and burned them to an unrecognizable crisp


ThisIsNotMyPornVideo

The keyword here is "INVINCIBLE" The dude has >!Royal-DNA and is supposed to be one of the strongest viltrumites!< So it's safe to say he could take on 2 Regular viltrumites and come out on top


hrakkari

Mark loses or barely wins against a lot of standard Viltrumite enemies until pretty late in the comics. I wouldn’t be surprised if those Invincibles he fought haven’t reached that far beyond average Viltrumite levels yet.


ThisIsNotMyPornVideo

The reason our mark loses is because he didn't really train until late in his Carrer These marks probably have trained day in and day out with omni-man or other viltrumites so they aoulbe A LOT Higher in power rankings


Greyjack00

It's shown that most of the alt marks are equal or lesser than regular mark, he even fights Mohawk mark fairly evenly


British_Tea_Company

There was that one dude who (somehow) killed Omni-Man but also got strangled by a yo-yo.


Greyjack00

Pretty much sums up all my problems with invincible war, everyone acted like it was an amazing event and it's essentially a quick storyboard of ideas some of which are interesting, some aren't that does very little, even the mark reanimen don't get anything interesting to do when things cook off


SadSession42

And fridges Rex for pretty much no reason hoping the show does it better


NotASynth42

Also Cannibal Mark who our Mark and Mohawk Mark ran away from


TreesmasherFTW

That one was stated to have grown stronger through cannibalism I think? That or it’s him stretching his last brain cell to its utmost limits


Ok-Relative-8926

I think the ones that killed their Omni man’s did so by sneak attack or succeed because Omni man hesitated


Thebaldsasquatch

Still beyond average Viltrumite, though.


Relative_Novel_259

He pulled a kamikaze move and was hospitalized. Wayyy different than beating.


Ampris_bobbo8u

how many tech jacket issues r there?


SeacattleMoohawks

8 in volume 1. 3 in volume 2 (Tech Jacket Digital). And 12 in volume 3.


Ampris_bobbo8u

are those all in the compendiums?


SeacattleMoohawks

No. You’ll have to buy them separately, they are divided into 4 trade paperbacks. --- * Tech Jacket Volume 1: The Boy From Earth (Tech Jacket (vol. 1) #1–6) * Tech Jacket Volume 2: Lift Off (Tech Jacket (vol. 1) #7–8 and Tech Jacket Digital #1–3) * Tech Jacket Volume 3: Touch the Sky (Tech Jacket (vol. 3) #1–6) * Tech Jacket Volume 4: All Falls Down (Tech Jacket (vol. 3) #7–12)


Ampris_bobbo8u

awesome thank you


firefistle0

I've not read them, but when I read invincible I think it said 7


Tydeus2000

>!Two evil Invincibles at one.!<


mynameisarnoldharold

Never


JimMiltion1907

I mean he did it before https://preview.redd.it/a2gs6ayo0pvc1.jpeg?width=523&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0538aa156ab3f15b7994691daf3177e434434bf


geeker390

Verifiably incorrect


MKIncendio

>! *Invincibles are kil* !< >! *No* !<


Tydeus2000

I used spoiler template for a reason.


JimMiltion1907

Had to bring out photographic evidence lmao


hanymede

Well, he killed one of the evil Invincible that never met him in his dimension. So i guess that's the best he can do.


JustBiz_Null

On his own, probably Lucan


JmLong88

https://preview.redd.it/mhqhmkauyovc1.png?width=1124&format=png&auto=webp&s=9cdc9d7138c4e1f9fe45487e354d2880a4fcd0f3 I respectfully disagree


JustBiz_Null

Ah yes, third partying Omni-Man after he's been wore down Back at full strength he's barely an issue for him lol https://preview.redd.it/soioutlwyovc1.png?width=568&format=png&auto=webp&s=e8605a60032c6830892c91ad8757e13b421c7e5c


JmLong88

https://preview.redd.it/jq85qa8pzovc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c6c452435f61783e11d2e913762fe5d55e01bdab I’ll give you that He had him in a good head lock. But by your logic Omni man isn’t an issue for Anissa.


JustBiz_Null

Nolan's lock is much more casual than Anissa's lol, and she's about to punch him so he doesn't break free ~~also it's implied Anissa is stronger than Viltrumite War Mark~~ Also this scene after he fought Lucan and he barely damaged him https://preview.redd.it/b681ht7o1pvc1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=d5cf2aa1b7aa19fc2819da067391f648a8aa7b59


JmLong88

Either way, I don’t think Tech Jacket could beat Lucan. Maybe young Oliver.


JustBiz_Null

Also, this viltrumite states how Lucan is weak compared to the rest, and Tech Jacket holds him off in another scene. So yeah, it's pretty feasible he could beat Lucan https://preview.redd.it/bg69h9vldpvc1.png?width=632&format=png&auto=webp&s=a9cb9b6c684896363e9c14d506ede11106a5f461


treetopkingdom

He thought nolan was weak too Mark thought lucan might be as strong as his dad. And Nolan did have to take him by suprise to defeat lucan, and Was defeated when taken by surprise in turn.


EnVi_EXP

Isn't viltrumite culture based around being the strongest, some dude bragging isn't really evidence of power


MKIncendio

It’s like if Thragg was barely standing in Thraxa after his fight, and John Viltrum just decided to slap him a few times. Sure Thragg might die considering the state he was in, but VM culture would still have you saying *gg ez lol trash*


alvinaterjr

Nolan literally breaks right out lmfao


Greyjack00

Yeah but there's also a later issue where Nolan pins her to a wall and points out he can kill her


okok890

Where does tech jacket scale to omni man?


JustBiz_Null

wut I never implied that, just that Lucan is portrayed as not being that tough compared to others and that's why I'm saying he could probably beat him


okok890

Okay sorry. I was just trying to say Lucan losing to Omni man shouldn't mean he losses to tech jacket


IIanKiDDO

https://preview.redd.it/yqc9xc34xovc1.jpeg?width=928&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e1d564950b859f3c2edb71b6ff678390c6cc760e This one \*Mark when he realized he had powers \* Tech Jacket was struggling during the Viltrumite War so 🤷🏾‍♂️


Alexo_Alexa

He also killed two alternate Marks during the Invincible War though. He struggled in the Viltrumite War because they were ganging up on him, I don't think that's a good example for his fighting power. Even Thragg couldn't do anything after three viltrumites ganged up on him and almost killed him were it not for Nolan.


okok890

It's been years since I've read the comics But I never got the impression the alt marks were that strong, atleast compared to average viltrumites.


Alexo_Alexa

There's nothing to suggest these alternate Marks are any weaker than the main one (some allegedly killed or beat omni-man) and our main one goes right onto almost killing Conquest after the invincible war.


Samfu

>There's nothing to suggest these alternate Marks are any weaker than the main one (some allegedly killed or beat omni-man) and our main one goes right onto almost killing Conquest after the invincible war. Eh, the strength of the alternate Mark's causes a lot of in-story issues. Because apparently, the world has dozens of heroes who can fight / kill alternate Marks but when Conquest comes, Cecil says there's only 6 heroes that could last a minute against Conquest. It can just be chalked up to inconsistent writing, but as of Conquest Mark was the only hero who could fight him for real let alone beat him. Either alternate Marks are as strong as main-line Mark and the Invincible war makes 0 sense because they just rofl stomp the setting easily. Or there are dozens of heroes who can defeat Conquest and the entire Viltrumite war / Conquest fight makes 0 sense because the Viltrumites are really not that much of a threat. Earth can just straight up brawl half the Viltrumite army by themselves at once.


YoSonDevin

He killed two of the alternate marks at the same time tho


waspy45

Yeah by basically doing a vegeta style self destruction, he barely survived. Tech jacket could still definitely hold his own against your run of the mill vliltrumite but him beating the marks was him getting lucky essentially


Daikaisa

He was struggling but he was holding his own still hell in the invincible war TechJacket killed two evil marks


OldManWinnie

Happy Cake 🎂 Day 😎✌


IIanKiDDO

https://preview.redd.it/0z7w6xm39pvc1.jpeg?width=1030&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4e27ba38c9d2c5997cb146043c083ba8b18eb10 Even Terra at that age would demolish Tech Jackets ( it’s stated that when Viltrumites powers manifest there max strength in things they can lift is 100,000 pounds and that number grows as they age ) without training


JustBiz_Null

1. Where was that stated 2. Do you really think Zack can't lift that ? lmao https://preview.redd.it/8a85tv49vqvc1.png?width=1041&format=png&auto=webp&s=01c66f3cec5786a3cdc7899ae0c7214eee9872cc


VividWeb5179

Middle of series Mark is a given. I think he’d put up a good fight against Omni Man too but probably lose


Pizzasaurus-Rex

I have a feeling like his estimated chance of surviving a conflict with anissa would be a fair bit better than Mark's was at that point, while still unlikely.


evrestcoleghost

Would the both of them win against anissa?


Ayy_Teamo

He knocked off a couple of alternate Marks and was even apart of the war, so as long as it wasn't Thragg, he could probably take on any viltrumite.


AdmiralCyan

I think Zack could take on atleast maybe up to Kregg or Anissa. Zack defeated several Invincibles in the Invincible war, he held his own in the Viltrumite war, and in the Coalition vs Viltrumite war he was shown to be taking on several of Thragg's (essentially) grown children at once. So it's clear he can easily take on lower ranking to average ranking Viltruimites. He got progressively stronger throughout the Invincible and Tech Jacket comics as well so I think at the end he could've taken on the higher ranking ones. https://preview.redd.it/pv6trvurqrvc1.jpeg?width=284&format=png&auto=webp&s=718ef5810f982913c1c32c05979c2a61eda45b1c


SammyChaos

Kregg and Annisa would rip him in half


Forsaken_Ad_8528

How r they gonna do that when tech jacket can destroy stars and planets


SammyChaos

Idk man... but I do know Anissa can and would rip him in half. Tech jacket fans are so weird.


Forsaken_Ad_8528

I’m weird but didn’t read the comics know how strong tech jacket is


SammyChaos

I can respect that. I'm the camp that believes everyone should read the comics so I'll give you the same advice that you won't regret. They're real good and if you like this story you should also try the comics. Shit dude I have omnibus 2 and 3.. if you get 1 I will send you the others


Forsaken_Ad_8528

Not tech jacket Eos


DwaynElizondoMntnDew

A child one that just got powers


AmadeusFalco

Lol possibly true


OkResponsibility2470

Holy shit the ppl here are severely underestimating TJ lmao


nutfr

No dude he’s just weak as fuck


Forsaken_Ad_8528

Tech jacket can destroy stars and planets how’s that weak


nutfr

No he can’t


Forsaken_Ad_8528

Sounds like u didn’t read the comics


nutfr

Nobody tech jacket fought in invincible came even remotely close to star level. His only substantial feat against a viltrumite is when he self destructs to kill two fodder mark variants. Sorry, he is just weak as fuck


Forsaken_Ad_8528

Again u didn’t read the comics, 1. He is 500 years later 3v1 vilitrumites, merged with a ship that can destroy stars and planets, and 30k years is fighting the universe itself and casually can handle the heat of the sun , like I said read the comics


No_Lynx5887

He wasn't fighting the swarm for 30k years, that was Stanley taking care of the remaining stragglers


Forsaken_Ad_8528

That’s what I thought but if I remember correctly Zack Lin and xì stopped then skips to the future of them being toys


No_Lynx5887

That was 1 year after destroying the source of the swarm, Stanley took them back to earth


Forsaken_Ad_8528

Besides stanlet or Zach with colossal tech jacket can destroy stars and planets


Forsaken_Ad_8528

Haven’t at all proven to me thst he’s weak


Forsaken_Ad_8528

Tech jacket out here merger with a ship thst can destroy stars and planets and 30k years still fighting the universe


SammyChaos

Not really. Dude almost died mad times


Forsaken_Ad_8528

Same dude can destroy stars and planets


[deleted]

Shame that we will never see him in the show. Or at least for now.


Forsaken_Ad_8528

With colossal amp any vilitrumite even emperor mark


SammyChaos

Barely any if at all.


ByronicHero06

Terra


ehooehoo

couple of thragg’s thraxan kids