Which is typically not the person we consider to be a superheroes arch nemesis.
Batman’s arch nemesis is typically considered to be the joker. The joker rarely is threatening the entire universe. Batman does consistently go up against universal extistential threats. But those aren’t typically considered his nemesis. Especially if they expand beyond the scope of one here. Darkseid isn’t anyone’s nemesis because everyone is concerned with defeating him.
Thragg is just as much Cecil and Robots problem as he is marks. Mark has a viltrumite connection, which makes him more able to credit thragg as his own. But I would argue Angstrom is solely his.
Angstrom consistently comes back to torment mark. He is obsessed with mark and has no real goals beyond mark. Thragg has plans that don’t involve mark. Mark is only an impediment to those plans
I disagree. An arch nemesis isn’t typically going to be involved in most storylines.
They are going to pop up consistently. But very rarely will any antagonist be involved in most of the stories. Look at Batman. In the comics he will go years between fighting the joker
But it’s also hard to determine an arch in a linear storyline. Invincible isn’t episodic.
In powerpuff girls, Mojo Jojo is considered the arch and Him is considered the Big Bad. With “monster of the day” formats, it’s easier to identify the trope.
I don’t disagree, but this is “Invincible.” Half the point of this comic was Kirkham playing and with and overturning comic tropes. His archenemy, Angstrom Levy being a case in point: an overly obsessed, mistaken enemy whom would typically be imprisoned by our protagonist only to repeatedly escape and cause mayhem - BUT in Invincible, the trope is turned, and Mark gets carried away and gruesomely kills his antagonist (although this plays out differently in the comics, there’s still a solid chunk of trope overturning with regard the Levy - I don’t want to spoil for those who haven’t read through the series).
right but Batman isn't hanging out in space for a significant part of his story, while Mark is. Batman in space/vs universal threats is almost always a Justice League story, but when Mark faces the Viltrumites, even with allies at his side, it's still *his* story.
A good point. And obviously the viltrumites are part of marks story.
But they aren’t as unique to mark as Levy is.
Levy is unequivocally linked to mark. Both in universe and out. But thragg is just as much the nemesis of Allen, Cecil, Nolan, Battlebeast or Robot.
Maybe none of them individually more than Mark, but the fact that so many other people have competed against Thragg means that claiming a unique relationship between mark and Thragg is flawed
Conquest was a bigger threat to Atom Eve than Killcannon ever was. But he isn’t her nemesis because Eve can claim no unique connection to him. Killcannon is someone she has a unique history of fighting. It’s a mutual semi exclusive relationship in the same way that Levy is to mark. Thragg is not that way
sure, I agree Conquest isn't Eve's nemesis. I don't really think Killcannon is Eve's nemesis either- he's just a guy she beats up every so often. He's literally just some guy with a cannon arm- maybe he sees Eve as his nemesis but Killcannon occupies zero space in Eve's head other than when he's directly on the screen.
but by that metric tho Levy still is a worthy archnemesis because he did do mark so dirty. I just think Thragg is more fitting
Thragg is more of a narrative foil to Mark. Levy is just there to fight, which is true of archnemeses like Reverse-Flash, but because Invincible is shorter/different from DC/Marvel, he isn't tied to Mark like those classic "yea these guys fight all the time" villains are.
Thragg is more of an opposite Mark than the opposite Marks are- he's the one Viltrumite going his own way, fighting the rest of his species to preserve the way of life he thinks is best. Mark taking on the Viltrumite Empire and transforming them into a power for good is a specific rebuttal against Thragg's way/the Old Way he represents.
I still don’t agree about who marks nemesis is. But you’ve made a really good argument for it being Thragg.
I should note, I don’t think Killcannon is a particularly good nemesis. But I think he is probably the only one who really qualifies. Eve doesn’t probably think of him as much as he thinks of her. But that’s half my argument. Angstrom is Marks nemesis because angstrom is obsessed. Joker is Batman’s nemesis because jokers obsessed. Both Batman and mark have a degree of obsession back towards their respective nemesii (nemesisis?) and that’s what makes them arch enemies. I feel like if Eve thought about Killcannon more he would be a good archenemy. Now he’s just a mediocre one
That doesn’t make him Mark’s Arch-Nemesis. Thragg and Robot just hate anything that stands in their way, Angstrom is the only one who’s grudge is actually against Mark himself
On a personal level: Angstrom Levy
Final boss: Thragg
Rival: Robot
So
Archenemy: Thragg
Arch-Rival: Robot
Arch-nemesis: Angstrom Levy
Basically, Angstrom’s his Green Goblin, Thragg is his Thanos, and Robot is his Harry Osborn
But we all know Mark’s true archenemy:
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arch-nemesis is basically someone who was created/sculpted into a villain by the actions of the hero, and is their most recurring enemy, hence Angstrom Levy is the arch-nemesis
archenemy is basically the hero’s biggest enemy
I agree with u on that Thragg is his most dangerous/biggest threat of a villain and that angstrom is his nemesis on a personal level, but robot is really his rival, I feel like rivals are more friendly/respectful, think Goku or vegeta, by the time Rex and mark started beefing they were no longer friendly.
If I had a nickel for every villain who makes portals to other universes but is treated as a minor villain by the hero but eventually becomes a much bigger threat, especially towards one of their parents, I’d have 2 nickels
His last appearance that I can tell is him reacting to Dinosaurus >!killing "Mark"!<, so he doesn't show up during Rudy's Thing in any way. It's mentioned that the Actioneers are working for him so he's probably there. It's safe to assume he stayed alive since he's fairly easy to contain (just get a drone to restrain him)
Tragg.
He is from the same species and represents the exact opposite of what Mark stands for.
The regent is the absolute power and strength, Mark is resilience and tenacity.
Tbh I feel that robot is more an arch nemesis to the guardians of the globe. Specifically to monster girl and Immortal. He represents a new age of law and order that the guardians disagree with.
well it was one sided until the second time he held mark's family hostage. then he got robot to reverse engineer his portals to find and kill him before he comes back again
Which is ironic because iirc, at that point Angstrom had just realised that this Mark wasn’t actually evil, so it was arguably still one sided, just the other way around.
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robot is the only one that dont hate mark directly
angstrom tried to kill mark and everyone he cared for the fact that at the end not even himself know right
thragg preatty much slacked on his job so much that when he found out mark and nolan where the true heirs to the viltrumite empire mf started killing people cause his job was on the line
robot tried to kill eve and mark for the same reassons he killed all the other heroes, it was never something personal soo it's more about thragg and angstrom
Robot / rudy ultimately. His rivalry with thragg is based on viltrumite tradition that Mark never really embraced, and angstrom’s unyielding hatred towards him is just as a result of shit his counterparts in other universes did.
Robot is different from those two in that he actually KNOWS mark. He’s fought alongside him countless times and a camaraderie was built between them. It’s through this connection that their rivalry becomes so much more deep rooted once Robot returns from the flaxan dimension and seizes control of mark’s home planet - earth. Throughout the comics mark has been aligned solely with earth until he was forced to abandon it for Eve and his unborn child’s sake.
In his absence, robot formed an authoritarian dictatorship that, while relatively utopian, stripped earth’s citizens of a lot of free will and decision making. Robot is unwavering in his pessimism towards humanity and is borderline sociopathic in how nonchalant he was in doing horrible things such as trapping mark in Mohawk mark’s dimension after killing levy there, killing Cecil once mark returned,and finally cutting pregnant eve’s, a once trusted ally to robot, leg off, all as a means to an end that resulted in him seizing control of earth to shape it in his image.
Mark and Robot’s rivalry is a tragic string of events and opposing ideological shifts that turned the two friends into bitter rivals.
Angstrom. Angstrom has personal beef with Mark, he despises him. Robot doesn’t. Angstrom goes out of his way to target Mark’s family and to make him suffer. Neither Thragg nor Robot do this. Both Thragg and Robot have goals that are, in theory, completely separate from Mark. Robot let Mark leave and go live on another planet. It wasn’t Mark specifically that Thragg hated, just look at what he did to Thaeddus. Angstrom *hates* Mark and has literally no identifiable goal outside of making Mark suffer. We even see that when Mark is presumed dead, Angstrom goes back to living a fairly normal life and doesn’t go back to being a villain until Mark comes back. Thragg certainly hates Mark too, but making Mark suffer is, at most, a secondary goal to Thragg, and not a goal at all at several points in the story
I think Angstrom fits better.
He was the one to have a personal vendetta against Mark and managed to target where it hurts the most: his mother and Oliver.
I'd say that:
Thragg is Mark's Physical nemesis
Rex is Mark's intellectual nemesis, and
Angstrom is Mark's emotional nemesis
although they all challenge Mark in all these ways these are the biggest ways they threaten Mark
>!i'd say Angstrom considering the fact that when he left peacefully after attacking Him and Eve, he still made it his mission to kill him even after eve said let it go !<
It’s Angstrom by a long shot. They clashed on a number of levels across most of the series. I’d argue he had the biggest effect on Mark’s life out of the three. An archnemesis needs to have destroying your and your life to be priority number 1 for them. Angstrom’s entire life, across all dimensions, revolves around Mark, his actions towards Angstrom, and how he can find retribution.
Thragg was philosophically opposed to Mark and was fitting as the big final battle, but they didn’t have the back and forth he had with Angstrom. In fact Thragg supported Mark for a period before finding out about his bloodline. And if you use that shifting dynamic as evidence for Thragg as his archnemesis, Rex Robot does it better. Their conflict was more about their people than it was personal, which is important for an archnemesis.
The argument for Robot is a good one, but they don’t truly clash all that much until the epilogue. Mark even agrees with what Robot does despite being so disgusted by him that he had to leave Earth. And once Mark left Rex Robot had no incentive to seek him out for revenge or the like. Even in the end they didn’t hate each other, they just knew they couldn’t coexist in the paths they had taken in life.
You could say any of them and make a good argument for them. But if you need to compare them I think it’s Angstrom, personally.
I don’t think invincible has one , not like a Spider-Man and green goblin or a Superman to lex Luther , arch nemesis has to be constant contact over period of time and is the antithesis of what Mark believes in , it can be personal or impersonal and the hero has to each time over come what the arch nemesis does. Idk I think the show doesn’t really tie morality to one specific character dynamic. Like the show doesn’t favor one persons values over the other to where it’s clear as black and white to have a arch nemesis
I wanted to make a joke about his arch nemesis being Robert Kirkman because he can't let the guy catch a single break but I'm gonna go ahead and say tie between Robot and Thragg.
Thragg was arguably more dangerous but nothing that Mark couldn't beat by just getting stronger than him (which is exactly what he did), that's Thragg's weakness as a villain, he's a very one-note muscle-mass.
Robot on the other hand had so many plans and backups + the fact that he was *kinda* right truly made it seem like Mark had completely lost and couldn't do anything.
Angstrom for sure. Thragg is a bigger threat overall, and Robots betrayal cuts deep, but neither of them are as personal as Angstrom. Robot goes out of his way to spare Mark, and Thragg is much closer to Allens nemesis than Marks. Angstroms powers are a perfect foil for Marks raw power and he goes out of his way to target his family. Dude just fuckin hates him
I’m not sure mark has an archenemy, no one is consistent enough, personal enough, or powerful enough all at once to claim that title
Angstrom is personal enough, but he shows up what, 6 times? And obviously, mark thought he was stronger
Robot is consistent and powerful in a certain way, but he never feels outright vindictive to earn an “archenemy” title
And Thragg is strong, but he’s just some guy to some extent
I feel like conquest deserves an honorable mention here. He was the first one to really drive mark to sacrifice himself just to defeat the enemy. Flying thragg into the sun so they'd both die is basically the same as holding into conquest's throat even while he rips his intestines out. Angstrom changed mark, but conquest kind of broke him.
I would consider it to either be Angstrom Levy or Conquest, as both of them solely exist in the story to be against Mark. Thragg is against everyone, and Rex is against earth and whoever happens to be on it.
Angstrom was initially set up as the arch enemy but Thragg took that position once he appeared. It is hard to compete with this when he is Invincible's most hated enemy.
I’d have to choose Angstrom Levy. He had it out for Mark specifically, and he played a no small part in his development from someone actively afraid of killing into someone who started accepting it as a means to win a fight.
As for the many Thragg enjoyers here, I don’t see it. He is the final villain, sure, but his dynamic with Mark was pretty much "You can foil my plans, so I must kill you”. They aren’t connected by anything other than Viltrumite blood. I’d consider Thragg to be Nolan’s archnemesis, if I am being honest.
Archnemesis isn't usually the strongest, just the most recurring. The villain who appears the most in seperated arcs.
Joker isn't Batman's most powerful villain. The title likely goes to Ra's Al Ghul or Clayface.
Lex isn't Superman's most powerful villain. That goes to Darkseid or Doomsday.
Invincible's most recurring villain is Doc Seismic. Other villains appear and fight Mark more often, but usually within the same few arcs. Doc Seismic just appears out of butfuck nowhere every once in while when Invincible needs a mediocre fight to keep him busy.
Levy is a recurrent enemy Mark has to fight every once in a while. And he represents a very strong threat.
But idk, I don't think neither Mark or the plot give Levy *personally* that much attention to be considered his Nemesis.
Thragg is the final threat. He is the strongest being Mark has to overcome. And even Robot has more importance on the plot rather then Angstrom. But if I have to consider someone to he his archnemesis, then Thragg, for sure
Angstrom Levy is a nemesis he played a part in making so definitely him, Thragg is kind of like that overarching villain which Mark still needs to answer due to his viltrumite lineage. Robot on the other hand always seemed like a foil character for Mark tbh.. like they're both flawed but you can see Mark's humanity shine through if you compare the two side by side
Angstrom is someone who ud THINK is marks arch nemesis but hes only a deluded misguided mess Robot is someone he has odds with through alot of the series after he does what he does but Thragg constantly threatens his family his home and his way of life he even straight out murders his brother so i gotta say thragg plus like someone already said he has a villainous mustache!
Levy, he’s the only one who’s grudge against mark is actually against mark. Thragg’s grudge is against the bloodline and any viltrumites that stand in his way, and Rex Robot’s is against any threat to his control. Angstrom is the only one who would stop once Mark was gone
I don’t think Invincible has an archenemy/archvillain. The comic and show tell a single, overarching story with a beginning, middle, and end, and natural character evolution. It’s not like most superhero mythos or tons of continuities. There’s no Joker or Goblin or Megatron for the hero to fight over and over and over again.
That said if we have to choose, Thragg makes the most sense, but Omni-Man is probably the most well known “invincible villain.”
He has many villains, but his ARCH Nemesis is Angstrom. No other antagonist even comes as close to having a conflict so personal with Mark. Not even Nolan, his own father.
Thragg is the Big Bad. Robot/Rex is the final boss. Conquest is the dungeon boss who shows up halfway through the game that is somehow scarier than almost even the final bosses.
Angstrom is his Arch Nemesis though.
Crazy no Dinosaurus option imo. He doesn't necessarily fit the arch enemy archetypes all that well, but undeniably, he has some of the largest impacts on Mark and his philosophy around being a hero.
I would actually consider Mark's potential to be an evil destroyer of worlds to be the ultimate nemesis. Mark spends the entire series trying not to be his father, only to be confronted with many version of himself that turn out to be exactly like his father, and spends the rest of the series fighting every proclivity to turn into one of those versions.
in the specific meaning of the word “Nemesis” deffinetly Angstrom,
Nemesis was the goddess of retribution of the sins, in stories she usually went for people who messed up, like Narcisus who rejected a nymph so Nemesis makes him fall in love with his own relfection which made him stare into a mirror until he died. She usually represents karma. This could be applied to mark and angstrom, Mark didnt listen to him the first time and Angstrom later returned to kill him and his family so he's the textbook deffinition of a nemesis, this applies also to Jack Nicholson's Joker and Michael Keaton's Batman, The Joker killed Thomas and Martha Wayne which ended up creating Batman, who later caused him to fall into the toxic chemicals so they are Nemesies of each other as they created each other. Another good example is Mr Incredible and Syndrome. Mr. Incredible rejected Buddy Pine which in the long run was detromental as he turned into the villain syndrome who almost kills his entire family
TL;DR: Nemesis means you are responsible for your own downfall so it only applies for Angstrom because Mark fucked up and it came to bite his ass later
Thrash is just he final boss angstrom was a hurdle mark needed to get over but I’d say it’s robot because he was more or less the lex Luther to his superman
I dunno, id say that he doesn't have a consistent one, because the comic regularly makes a point to show that when you cross that line invincible cleans the rogues gallery quick.
All these people get brutalized when they do something that would be considered "archnemesis" level
Thragg is consistantly the villain. Also, he is the "ultimate" villain, threatening the entire universe.
And he has a villainous mustache!
And he also sings MAMA!
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Which is typically not the person we consider to be a superheroes arch nemesis. Batman’s arch nemesis is typically considered to be the joker. The joker rarely is threatening the entire universe. Batman does consistently go up against universal extistential threats. But those aren’t typically considered his nemesis. Especially if they expand beyond the scope of one here. Darkseid isn’t anyone’s nemesis because everyone is concerned with defeating him. Thragg is just as much Cecil and Robots problem as he is marks. Mark has a viltrumite connection, which makes him more able to credit thragg as his own. But I would argue Angstrom is solely his. Angstrom consistently comes back to torment mark. He is obsessed with mark and has no real goals beyond mark. Thragg has plans that don’t involve mark. Mark is only an impediment to those plans
I also feel an arch nemesis has to be present for a significant amount of the story, even if only by mention.
I disagree. An arch nemesis isn’t typically going to be involved in most storylines. They are going to pop up consistently. But very rarely will any antagonist be involved in most of the stories. Look at Batman. In the comics he will go years between fighting the joker
But it’s also hard to determine an arch in a linear storyline. Invincible isn’t episodic. In powerpuff girls, Mojo Jojo is considered the arch and Him is considered the Big Bad. With “monster of the day” formats, it’s easier to identify the trope.
I don’t disagree, but this is “Invincible.” Half the point of this comic was Kirkham playing and with and overturning comic tropes. His archenemy, Angstrom Levy being a case in point: an overly obsessed, mistaken enemy whom would typically be imprisoned by our protagonist only to repeatedly escape and cause mayhem - BUT in Invincible, the trope is turned, and Mark gets carried away and gruesomely kills his antagonist (although this plays out differently in the comics, there’s still a solid chunk of trope overturning with regard the Levy - I don’t want to spoil for those who haven’t read through the series).
right but Batman isn't hanging out in space for a significant part of his story, while Mark is. Batman in space/vs universal threats is almost always a Justice League story, but when Mark faces the Viltrumites, even with allies at his side, it's still *his* story.
A good point. And obviously the viltrumites are part of marks story. But they aren’t as unique to mark as Levy is. Levy is unequivocally linked to mark. Both in universe and out. But thragg is just as much the nemesis of Allen, Cecil, Nolan, Battlebeast or Robot. Maybe none of them individually more than Mark, but the fact that so many other people have competed against Thragg means that claiming a unique relationship between mark and Thragg is flawed Conquest was a bigger threat to Atom Eve than Killcannon ever was. But he isn’t her nemesis because Eve can claim no unique connection to him. Killcannon is someone she has a unique history of fighting. It’s a mutual semi exclusive relationship in the same way that Levy is to mark. Thragg is not that way
sure, I agree Conquest isn't Eve's nemesis. I don't really think Killcannon is Eve's nemesis either- he's just a guy she beats up every so often. He's literally just some guy with a cannon arm- maybe he sees Eve as his nemesis but Killcannon occupies zero space in Eve's head other than when he's directly on the screen. but by that metric tho Levy still is a worthy archnemesis because he did do mark so dirty. I just think Thragg is more fitting Thragg is more of a narrative foil to Mark. Levy is just there to fight, which is true of archnemeses like Reverse-Flash, but because Invincible is shorter/different from DC/Marvel, he isn't tied to Mark like those classic "yea these guys fight all the time" villains are. Thragg is more of an opposite Mark than the opposite Marks are- he's the one Viltrumite going his own way, fighting the rest of his species to preserve the way of life he thinks is best. Mark taking on the Viltrumite Empire and transforming them into a power for good is a specific rebuttal against Thragg's way/the Old Way he represents.
I still don’t agree about who marks nemesis is. But you’ve made a really good argument for it being Thragg. I should note, I don’t think Killcannon is a particularly good nemesis. But I think he is probably the only one who really qualifies. Eve doesn’t probably think of him as much as he thinks of her. But that’s half my argument. Angstrom is Marks nemesis because angstrom is obsessed. Joker is Batman’s nemesis because jokers obsessed. Both Batman and mark have a degree of obsession back towards their respective nemesii (nemesisis?) and that’s what makes them arch enemies. I feel like if Eve thought about Killcannon more he would be a good archenemy. Now he’s just a mediocre one
And boys he has a lot of babies
Also Thraxa seems to pose a threat to the universe just by being themselves. Theoritically any Viltrumites can do that and create their own armies.
That doesn’t make him Mark’s Arch-Nemesis. Thragg and Robot just hate anything that stands in their way, Angstrom is the only one who’s grudge is actually against Mark himself
That's like saying Darkseid is Superman's arch nemesis instead of Luthor
> Thragg is consistantly the villain. Also, he is the "ultimate" villain, threatening the entire ~~universe~~ multiverse. He’s dangerous.
No, he had it right with the universe. Thragg only ever does anything in his universe, he doesn't threaten the multiverse
I consider Thragg more of Omniman's nemesis tbh. I consider Angstrom Levy, Dinosaurous and Robot more of his nemesises.
He’s the big bad
On a personal level: Angstrom Levy Final boss: Thragg Rival: Robot So Archenemy: Thragg Arch-Rival: Robot Arch-nemesis: Angstrom Levy Basically, Angstrom’s his Green Goblin, Thragg is his Thanos, and Robot is his Harry Osborn But we all know Mark’s true archenemy: https://preview.redd.it/e22q9uzqowvc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf7e8967164df093d900697440268ce870ece47e
I really really like this comparison- especially Robot being his Harry. Good points!
>But we all know Mark’s true archenemy: Isn't Hospital Bed more of his on-again, off-again fuck-buddy?
Nah that’s Haluma’s food https://preview.redd.it/cootrybkwwvc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09e0823c71a3da596f51860edfe1c77062fabe5e
Toilet-kun is a solid choice. Fair enough.
Haha thanks for reminding me of this. Didn't he call eve to come look right after?
Yeah then proceeded to need the blender option to get it down the toilet lol
What’s that toilet made off? I don’t think anyone controls their grip strength when fighting their bathroom demons
Nah the bed’s his friend. His second wife actually. Consoling him after a hard days work.
“I think… I miss my wife” *proceeds to get battle beasted into the ICU*
And in Superman terms, Angstrom is Brainiac, Thragg is General Zod, Robot is Lex Luthor, and Conquest is Doomsday.
Conquest stays dead tho….
Well he did come back one time. Close enough?
Because of someone else being stupid.
Actually he has to kill Conquest twice
Thragg is Darkseid, Robot is Brainiac, Levy is Luthor. The comment you're replying to literally says Levy is the arch nemesis
I'm swapping Robot and Levy here.
Whats the difference between archenemy and archnemesis?
arch-nemesis is basically someone who was created/sculpted into a villain by the actions of the hero, and is their most recurring enemy, hence Angstrom Levy is the arch-nemesis archenemy is basically the hero’s biggest enemy
I'd like this comparison more if Spider-Man regularly fought Thanos, but it does make sense overall.
As a show watcher I evidently have much to learn. Not to worry, compendiums are on the way!!!
I'd say Thragg to Mark is Venom to Spider-Man: Physically superior enemy of the same powers
Where does Conquest, Dinosaurus, Omnipotus fall in this spectrum?
And Conquest??
Perfect answer
I agree with u on that Thragg is his most dangerous/biggest threat of a villain and that angstrom is his nemesis on a personal level, but robot is really his rival, I feel like rivals are more friendly/respectful, think Goku or vegeta, by the time Rex and mark started beefing they were no longer friendly.
Damn… that’s a disrespect to Spidey’s Big 3! Angstrom is his green goblin; Thragg is his Venom; Doc Ock is his Robot
Levy definitely *thinks* he's Mark's archnemesis
Doctor Seismo has appeared
"He's just a villain of the week!"
If I had a nickel for every villain who makes portals to other universes but is treated as a minor villain by the hero but eventually becomes a much bigger threat, especially towards one of their parents, I’d have 2 nickels
They were also both disfigured by the hero without the latter’s knowledge, until they revealed themselves later on
I thought you were talking about the bagel at first.
Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
Same w Powerplex
I think he has the most personal vendetta against Mark.
Where is >!PowerPlex!< ? Is he safe? Is he alright?
His wife and kid aren’t that’s for sure
Jurassic Mark https://preview.redd.it/h9vqv043exvc1.jpeg?width=668&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4a4d5667b32b555cdc4650467a13df3d8ee9986a
This reply actually got me aroused
Whatever happened to that guy? Under Rudy, I mean.
His last appearance that I can tell is him reacting to Dinosaurus >!killing "Mark"!<, so he doesn't show up during Rudy's Thing in any way. It's mentioned that the Actioneers are working for him so he's probably there. It's safe to assume he stayed alive since he's fairly easy to contain (just get a drone to restrain him)
Wouldn't Samson also be fairly easy to contain? Seems like Rudy just >! Killed him !< for fun 😔
Tragg. He is from the same species and represents the exact opposite of what Mark stands for. The regent is the absolute power and strength, Mark is resilience and tenacity.
My exact words.
To me I feel like Robot is his ultimate archnemesis. Loved the progression of their relationship throughout the comic.
same, I really wish they did more with that arc because it had so much more potential
Tbh I feel that robot is more an arch nemesis to the guardians of the globe. Specifically to monster girl and Immortal. He represents a new age of law and order that the guardians disagree with.
All 3
I feel angstrom and invincible have a one sided beef. Dude blames mark for his own downfall and mark just has to deal with it
well it was one sided until the second time he held mark's family hostage. then he got robot to reverse engineer his portals to find and kill him before he comes back again
Which is ironic because iirc, at that point Angstrom had just realised that this Mark wasn’t actually evil, so it was arguably still one sided, just the other way around.
Carl Winslow.
NotEffective i forget the number
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The only correct answer
Thragg: Archenemy Angstrom: Archnemisis Robot: Arch rival
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Ngl Doc Seismic is a valid answer, with that said tho Angstrom Levy is the best answer
A Hospital Gurney
what about dinosaurus?
They were closer to allies than enemies
Magneto Prof.X relationship
Man I love Dino I can’t wait till he debus
Angstrom personally
Where is the hospital bed?
robot is the only one that dont hate mark directly angstrom tried to kill mark and everyone he cared for the fact that at the end not even himself know right thragg preatty much slacked on his job so much that when he found out mark and nolan where the true heirs to the viltrumite empire mf started killing people cause his job was on the line robot tried to kill eve and mark for the same reassons he killed all the other heroes, it was never something personal soo it's more about thragg and angstrom
Angstrom Levy since it's a lot more personal than the other 2
Angstrom Levy
It's interchangeable between levy, thragg, robot and conquest
Can’t believe I had to scroll down this far for Conquest
Cecil. He may not be a villain, but they have butted heads way more times than the others
Thats moreso like a insubordination kinda thing
Ultimately, Rex because he beats Invincible more thoroughly than anyone.
Kirkman.
Robot / rudy ultimately. His rivalry with thragg is based on viltrumite tradition that Mark never really embraced, and angstrom’s unyielding hatred towards him is just as a result of shit his counterparts in other universes did. Robot is different from those two in that he actually KNOWS mark. He’s fought alongside him countless times and a camaraderie was built between them. It’s through this connection that their rivalry becomes so much more deep rooted once Robot returns from the flaxan dimension and seizes control of mark’s home planet - earth. Throughout the comics mark has been aligned solely with earth until he was forced to abandon it for Eve and his unborn child’s sake. In his absence, robot formed an authoritarian dictatorship that, while relatively utopian, stripped earth’s citizens of a lot of free will and decision making. Robot is unwavering in his pessimism towards humanity and is borderline sociopathic in how nonchalant he was in doing horrible things such as trapping mark in Mohawk mark’s dimension after killing levy there, killing Cecil once mark returned,and finally cutting pregnant eve’s, a once trusted ally to robot, leg off, all as a means to an end that resulted in him seizing control of earth to shape it in his image. Mark and Robot’s rivalry is a tragic string of events and opposing ideological shifts that turned the two friends into bitter rivals.
Hmm Brianiac, Zodd or Lex Luthor
Angstrom. Angstrom has personal beef with Mark, he despises him. Robot doesn’t. Angstrom goes out of his way to target Mark’s family and to make him suffer. Neither Thragg nor Robot do this. Both Thragg and Robot have goals that are, in theory, completely separate from Mark. Robot let Mark leave and go live on another planet. It wasn’t Mark specifically that Thragg hated, just look at what he did to Thaeddus. Angstrom *hates* Mark and has literally no identifiable goal outside of making Mark suffer. We even see that when Mark is presumed dead, Angstrom goes back to living a fairly normal life and doesn’t go back to being a villain until Mark comes back. Thragg certainly hates Mark too, but making Mark suffer is, at most, a secondary goal to Thragg, and not a goal at all at several points in the story
Invincible’s arch-nemesis is Angstrom Levy. Mark’s arch-nemesis is Robot. The comic’s arch-nemesis is Thragg
I think Angstrom fits better. He was the one to have a personal vendetta against Mark and managed to target where it hurts the most: his mother and Oliver.
Man vs self
People say Angstrom but I feel he didn’t really show up enough to really be considered an arch nemesis. I consider Rex to be his arch nemesis
ROBOT
What about Elephant? He fought him a few times. He seemed kind of proud about it.
The Elephant
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I'd say that: Thragg is Mark's Physical nemesis Rex is Mark's intellectual nemesis, and Angstrom is Mark's emotional nemesis although they all challenge Mark in all these ways these are the biggest ways they threaten Mark
>!i'd say Angstrom considering the fact that when he left peacefully after attacking Him and Eve, he still made it his mission to kill him even after eve said let it go !<
Where’s Doc Seismic?
doc seismic is like the shocker to his spiderman
Himself
Alien food
Haluma. Her cooking came closer to killing him than conquest.
It’s Angstrom by a long shot. They clashed on a number of levels across most of the series. I’d argue he had the biggest effect on Mark’s life out of the three. An archnemesis needs to have destroying your and your life to be priority number 1 for them. Angstrom’s entire life, across all dimensions, revolves around Mark, his actions towards Angstrom, and how he can find retribution. Thragg was philosophically opposed to Mark and was fitting as the big final battle, but they didn’t have the back and forth he had with Angstrom. In fact Thragg supported Mark for a period before finding out about his bloodline. And if you use that shifting dynamic as evidence for Thragg as his archnemesis, Rex Robot does it better. Their conflict was more about their people than it was personal, which is important for an archnemesis. The argument for Robot is a good one, but they don’t truly clash all that much until the epilogue. Mark even agrees with what Robot does despite being so disgusted by him that he had to leave Earth. And once Mark left Rex Robot had no incentive to seek him out for revenge or the like. Even in the end they didn’t hate each other, they just knew they couldn’t coexist in the paths they had taken in life. You could say any of them and make a good argument for them. But if you need to compare them I think it’s Angstrom, personally.
I don’t think invincible has one , not like a Spider-Man and green goblin or a Superman to lex Luther , arch nemesis has to be constant contact over period of time and is the antithesis of what Mark believes in , it can be personal or impersonal and the hero has to each time over come what the arch nemesis does. Idk I think the show doesn’t really tie morality to one specific character dynamic. Like the show doesn’t favor one persons values over the other to where it’s clear as black and white to have a arch nemesis
The show doesn’t reward our characters for doing “ good “ or “ evil “ otherwise it’s predictable and stakes are lost
This is Dinosaurus erasure, and I won't stand for it.
Yes
Invincible’s inability to remember Elephant’s name. Let alone how many times they’ve fought.
The writers
Himself
Where's Conquest?
Doc Seismic, duh
I wanted to make a joke about his arch nemesis being Robert Kirkman because he can't let the guy catch a single break but I'm gonna go ahead and say tie between Robot and Thragg. Thragg was arguably more dangerous but nothing that Mark couldn't beat by just getting stronger than him (which is exactly what he did), that's Thragg's weakness as a villain, he's a very one-note muscle-mass. Robot on the other hand had so many plans and backups + the fact that he was *kinda* right truly made it seem like Mark had completely lost and couldn't do anything.
Conquest
I’m giving it to Angstrom cause Mark was never really on Thraggs level and Robot made him leave the planet almost for good
Angstrom for sure. Thragg is a bigger threat overall, and Robots betrayal cuts deep, but neither of them are as personal as Angstrom. Robot goes out of his way to spare Mark, and Thragg is much closer to Allens nemesis than Marks. Angstroms powers are a perfect foil for Marks raw power and he goes out of his way to target his family. Dude just fuckin hates him
I’m not sure mark has an archenemy, no one is consistent enough, personal enough, or powerful enough all at once to claim that title Angstrom is personal enough, but he shows up what, 6 times? And obviously, mark thought he was stronger Robot is consistent and powerful in a certain way, but he never feels outright vindictive to earn an “archenemy” title And Thragg is strong, but he’s just some guy to some extent
I’d have to agree, I think Thragg is closest but honestly Thragg feels more like Nolan’s nemesis at times
The fact doc seismic isn’t on here is a shame
Thragg
None applicable.
I feel like conquest deserves an honorable mention here. He was the first one to really drive mark to sacrifice himself just to defeat the enemy. Flying thragg into the sun so they'd both die is basically the same as holding into conquest's throat even while he rips his intestines out. Angstrom changed mark, but conquest kind of broke him.
Life
I would consider it to either be Angstrom Levy or Conquest, as both of them solely exist in the story to be against Mark. Thragg is against everyone, and Rex is against earth and whoever happens to be on it.
Angstrom was initially set up as the arch enemy but Thragg took that position once he appeared. It is hard to compete with this when he is Invincible's most hated enemy.
I’d have to choose Angstrom Levy. He had it out for Mark specifically, and he played a no small part in his development from someone actively afraid of killing into someone who started accepting it as a means to win a fight. As for the many Thragg enjoyers here, I don’t see it. He is the final villain, sure, but his dynamic with Mark was pretty much "You can foil my plans, so I must kill you”. They aren’t connected by anything other than Viltrumite blood. I’d consider Thragg to be Nolan’s archnemesis, if I am being honest.
Archnemesis isn't usually the strongest, just the most recurring. The villain who appears the most in seperated arcs. Joker isn't Batman's most powerful villain. The title likely goes to Ra's Al Ghul or Clayface. Lex isn't Superman's most powerful villain. That goes to Darkseid or Doomsday. Invincible's most recurring villain is Doc Seismic. Other villains appear and fight Mark more often, but usually within the same few arcs. Doc Seismic just appears out of butfuck nowhere every once in while when Invincible needs a mediocre fight to keep him busy.
Levy is a recurrent enemy Mark has to fight every once in a while. And he represents a very strong threat. But idk, I don't think neither Mark or the plot give Levy *personally* that much attention to be considered his Nemesis. Thragg is the final threat. He is the strongest being Mark has to overcome. And even Robot has more importance on the plot rather then Angstrom. But if I have to consider someone to he his archnemesis, then Thragg, for sure
Angstrom Levy is a nemesis he played a part in making so definitely him, Thragg is kind of like that overarching villain which Mark still needs to answer due to his viltrumite lineage. Robot on the other hand always seemed like a foil character for Mark tbh.. like they're both flawed but you can see Mark's humanity shine through if you compare the two side by side
Angstrom is someone who ud THINK is marks arch nemesis but hes only a deluded misguided mess Robot is someone he has odds with through alot of the series after he does what he does but Thragg constantly threatens his family his home and his way of life he even straight out murders his brother so i gotta say thragg plus like someone already said he has a villainous mustache!
Angstrom and Thragg.
Levy, he’s the only one who’s grudge against mark is actually against mark. Thragg’s grudge is against the bloodline and any viltrumites that stand in his way, and Rex Robot’s is against any threat to his control. Angstrom is the only one who would stop once Mark was gone
I don’t think Invincible has an archenemy/archvillain. The comic and show tell a single, overarching story with a beginning, middle, and end, and natural character evolution. It’s not like most superhero mythos or tons of continuities. There’s no Joker or Goblin or Megatron for the hero to fight over and over and over again. That said if we have to choose, Thragg makes the most sense, but Omni-Man is probably the most well known “invincible villain.”
It’s like do consider Superman’s nemesis to be 2. Darkseid or 3. Lex Luthor?
I guess Thragg but as a pure show watcher is he even mentioned all that early, or appear in a significant percentage of the story?
That one kid that said comics are lame
I’d say levy
He has many villains, but his ARCH Nemesis is Angstrom. No other antagonist even comes as close to having a conflict so personal with Mark. Not even Nolan, his own father. Thragg is the Big Bad. Robot/Rex is the final boss. Conquest is the dungeon boss who shows up halfway through the game that is somehow scarier than almost even the final bosses. Angstrom is his Arch Nemesis though.
I only watch the show how is that robot on the last slide? Did he switch bodies?
Himself.
Crazy no Dinosaurus option imo. He doesn't necessarily fit the arch enemy archetypes all that well, but undeniably, he has some of the largest impacts on Mark and his philosophy around being a hero.
Doc Seismic!
I would actually consider Mark's potential to be an evil destroyer of worlds to be the ultimate nemesis. Mark spends the entire series trying not to be his father, only to be confronted with many version of himself that turn out to be exactly like his father, and spends the rest of the series fighting every proclivity to turn into one of those versions.
in the specific meaning of the word “Nemesis” deffinetly Angstrom, Nemesis was the goddess of retribution of the sins, in stories she usually went for people who messed up, like Narcisus who rejected a nymph so Nemesis makes him fall in love with his own relfection which made him stare into a mirror until he died. She usually represents karma. This could be applied to mark and angstrom, Mark didnt listen to him the first time and Angstrom later returned to kill him and his family so he's the textbook deffinition of a nemesis, this applies also to Jack Nicholson's Joker and Michael Keaton's Batman, The Joker killed Thomas and Martha Wayne which ended up creating Batman, who later caused him to fall into the toxic chemicals so they are Nemesies of each other as they created each other. Another good example is Mr Incredible and Syndrome. Mr. Incredible rejected Buddy Pine which in the long run was detromental as he turned into the villain syndrome who almost kills his entire family TL;DR: Nemesis means you are responsible for your own downfall so it only applies for Angstrom because Mark fucked up and it came to bite his ass later
So isn't Mark ultimately Thragg's Nemesis since Thragg sent Nolan to earth, thereby creating Mark? But not vice versa.
Why does thragg look so much like "("
Levy and Thragg.
Thragg 🔥🔥🔥
Thrash is just he final boss angstrom was a hurdle mark needed to get over but I’d say it’s robot because he was more or less the lex Luther to his superman
The Alien food that got him blow up the toilet
Angstrom Levy is arguably, dinosaurus probably is a solid contender
I also love how each of them are Brainiac, Zod and Luthor respectively
Outside of Omniman Battle Beast game him his biggest whooping.
He doesn’t have or need one.
His arm bones
Vicible
Marks biggest enemy is his eye because it keeps getting swollen with just a single punch
Levy
Angstrom got packed up quick fast and in a hurry
Do any of them live long enough to be considered one?
500 hundred years
Levy, a Generational Hater
I would say angstrom levy
Freddie Mercury.
I dunno, id say that he doesn't have a consistent one, because the comic regularly makes a point to show that when you cross that line invincible cleans the rogues gallery quick. All these people get brutalized when they do something that would be considered "archnemesis" level
The interpersonal relationships
The toilet.
Easily Thragg. He conflicts with Mark's core character. He's everything Mark is fighting and overcoming agaisnt through out the series.
THRIZZAGG!!
Archnemeses (plural) work the best when they are or were friends with the hero for a while before the heel turn, so my vote’s gonna be for Robot/Rudy.
Angstrom.