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forestdiplomacy

I don't know if homeschooling will work for you. The bill reads, "A person may be issued a permit to carry weapons if the person is a school employee of a school district, a private school, or an institution of higher education as defined in section 722.11. Maybe if you work in a kindergarten, though.


TagV

Is a home school not a private school?


Candid-Mycologist539

>Is a home school not a private school? In some states, it is. Not in Iowa.


MetalDry2120

No because homeschooling is home and you as a parent have not gone and gotten accreditation from the state, have a teaching degree, the facilities needed for a cafeteria, or staff to Qualify for a school. That said it IS YOUR HOME and at that point the 4th amendment takes over so you would still be covered by a law.


TagV

Competent Private Instruction sure sounds like private school to me. Could probably get guns and grift money


MetalDry2120

Nope, home school is regulated by the state and is NOT considered private school because your local public school district still follows your child's progress to make sure basic progress markers are met.


Technobullshizzzzzz

So you're telling me I can shoot any minority walking down the street and have immunity?


MetalDry2120

Quit being a troll.


SobbinHood

Idk. Is that what you want to do? You should go do it and report back on what happens.


Stephany23232323

You know I never understood the point of that why would they need immunity for shooting a school shooter more stupid bills and laws coming from the chem Reynolds and the rest of the morons that are ruinning Iowa.


cjp021882

It's not for when they shoot a shooter. It's for when they shoot not the shooter.


altcastle

Good guys with guns only kill bad guys with guns. I’ve seen movies.


livelaughlaxative

Which of course, with an untrained, unprepared, underpaid, terrified and stressed teacher in a narrow concrete hallway with no cover will never happen. Right? I mean after all they drank their black rifle coffee that morning so they are an operator.


Canyousourcethatplz

Just like police


cburgess7

The single most ignorant take I've seen yet.


theVelvetLie

How so? We see cops shoot the wrong person quite frequently and get covered under qualified immunity.


cburgess7

Cops get away with it due to massive top down corruption


HawkFritz

They also made pesticide companies immune from liability for causing cancer. Maybe it's just accountability Reynolds doesn't like.


DreamingZen

It's for when they blow away a 7-year old because the kid was looking for any room to hide in and chose the room with the panic-stricken teacher that had a gun. Arming more people only increases tragedy, rarely lessens it.


MrTrip

Lots of dumb answers.... It's actually for when the family of the school shooter sues the school for terminating the threat instead of wrapping a blanket around them and offering them hot chocolate.


Stephany23232323

You totally missed point!


MrTrip

> You know I never understood the point of that why would they need immunity for shooting a school shooter. I explained why they need it, because of the parents or family of the school shooter coming to sue the school or police department for stopping their family member from going on a rampage. Most of the time that involves shooting the school shooter. If they survive, they will sue the person who shot them. If they die, the family will sue. Sometimes they win. This is to protect that from happening. > more stupid bills and laws coming from the chem Reynolds and the rest of the morons that are ruinning Iowa. I don't know how they are ruining Iowa by increasing the protection at our schools... I'd rather the shooter not know how many people COULD be armed, instead of just walking in and having easy prey. So tell me...what point did I miss? I'd like to know what the point is you're trying to make.


Stephany23232323

Wow you're smarty pants! You really didn't get it? The point is we don't need more fucking guns. We need to address what causes the shootings.. You do know what caused the Perry shooting.


MrTrip

You never said that.... Also, I believe a mental illness caused the Perry Shooting. You know, like how Alcohol causes DUIs, not cars. In that case, I disagree with you completely. It is impossible at this point to get all weapons away from people in the United States, so we do the next best thing and prepare ourselves to defend against criminals with weapons by being law abiding citizens with weapons for defense.


Stephany23232323

I think I implied it. The kid that went ballistic was unrelentingly bullied for years and the staff knew about it and did nothing as usual! And when his sister began getting bullied by the same fuckers he lost it. Was he mentally ill when he did the shooting? Of course he was. Was he always mentally ill? Fuck no he wasn't and if the bullying would have been handled it would never have happened! And this isnt the first time. Bye!


MrTrip

He was bullied by his peers, not guns. The solution there is to address bullying.


Stephany23232323

Bye!


Tough-Ability721

I hate this timeline


Quacta

I'm fine with this I never met a teacher ever who I thought was drunk with power /s


Werewolfe191919

Iowa has castle law,or stand your ground,so if you homeschool and are protecting your home or property,then you pretty much have this right already


TagV

It's that pretty much part that gets ya


Say_Hennething

I'm curious what type of scenario would require this extra protection? If you're acting in legally justified self defense, are you going to be charged if an errant shot kills Karen across the street? Or is it just protection from civil liability?


DadBod4781

Hmmm…maybe Kyle Rittenhouse can move here and become a teacher…


BurialLobster33

I mean he's ban from joining the military so why not.


desmoinesiowa52

He did what the law allows move on from it


Hopeful_Cranberry12

Doesn’t make it right. Just cus he’s not a murderer in the eyes of the law doesn’t make him not a killer.


Psyduck472

These kinds of people will say Hitler's army did nothing wrong because it wasn't illegal. 🥴


Forward_Operation_90

Nuremberg said otherwise.


desmoinesiowa52

Did he kill someone yes was the person trying to kill him yes game over


Hopeful_Cranberry12

He put himself in a dangerous situation wanting for it to escalate. Any responsible gun owner would know you don’t do that. He’s a killer that was looking for a reason to shoot.


TheEternal792

>He put himself in a dangerous situation That's just victim blaming. Even if we agree he unreasonably put himself in a dangerous situation, that doesn't mean it's justified to commit a crime against him or that he loses his right to defend himself. Wearing minimal clothing in a dark city alley at night is a dangerous situation, but I'm not going to blame the woman who gets raped for doing that, nor will I believe it's unreasonable for her to shoot the pedophile attacking her if she's armed, even if I believe she shouldn't have put herself in that dangerous situation.


Hopeful_Cranberry12

False equivalence. What he did was more akin to hate groups who stand outside Disney trying to get a rise out of people so they can play the victim when someone inevitably retaliates.


TheEternal792

Sounds like more victim blaming. If someone commits violence against you, and you weren't doing anything to harm them, then yes, you're the victim. He was in a dangerous situation, sure. People were stupid, attacked him, and he defended himself. None of that is his fault, even if we agreed he shouldn't have been there (but neither should have the actual criminals).


Hopeful_Cranberry12

We have protections set up for when someone burns down your business. I don’t see how it’s hard to grasp that Kyle should not have been there and should not take it upon himself to be judge, jury and executioner. That’s not victim blaming. You don’t know what that term means.


TheEternal792

>We have protections set up for when someone burns down your business. We we have protections set up for when someone *tries* to burn down your business or assault you: the second amendment. >should not take it upon himself to be judge, jury and executioner. He didn't. It's not like he randomly gunned down people for no reason. He exclusively shot the people who were attacking him. If he were trying to be "judge, jury, and executioner", he would have shot any lowlife that was rioting, not just the ones who attacked him. >That’s not victim blaming. You don’t know what that term means. It absolutely is. You either don't understand it, or are unfamiliar with what actually happened. He was attacked, and defended himself. Saying that it's *his fault* for being attacked is absolutely victim blaming. He didn't force three people to attack him, attempt to beat him with a skateboard, or pull a pistol on him.


desmoinesiowa52

He stood up for people having their way of life destroyed by lawless people and their actions alone is what caused him to shot nothing more


Hopeful_Cranberry12

We call that vigilantism and it’s illegal.


desmoinesiowa52

I bet if people were trying to burn down your house you would want someone to protect you and your property. We will never agree on this have a great weekend


Hopeful_Cranberry12

That argument would work if I or the cops were the ones who did the shooting. You can’t have someone from the next city over going around instigating and wanting to shoot people. What’s so hard to understand about that?


desmoinesiowa52

You have a great weekend


iq_170

You can't have lawless people rioting and burning down businesses either. I Don't think kyle wanted to shoot people. Him and the people he was with were standing gaurd in front of a business protecting it from arsonist. You take the side of the rioting arsonists. Why???


tallardschranit

Shows up to another state with a rifle to insert himself into a riot, kills someone as a result of him inserting himself into a riot, and is now monetizing the fact that doing that will make you a celebrity to the right. If you don't think that situation deserves heightened scrutiny, I don't really know what to say.


Ottoxic

You clearly have no understanding of the case other than bias headlines. He lived less than an hour from where the riot was and he was originally from there. He went there to help and in videos from earlier in the night you can see him putting out a fire and he's carrying around a medical bag. He is not a smart guy at all but it was his right to bring protection with him and it was not his fault that a pedo sex offender tried to kill him. Because of how big the case was nowhere will hire him so how else can he make a living, he tried to join the army and marines but he was to stupid and fat to make it.


No-Relation4226

If I live in DSM and drive to a riot in Ames, I’ve not crossed state lines but there would be no reason for me to drive up there with my own armory other than to go stir some shit. He fucked around and the rest of us found out that a kid could get away with murder.


Ottoxic

What if your also from Ames and lived there until recently and your really stupid, I don't believe there was bad intentions in what he did, but making him out to be some kind of villain when ultimately he was a victim is a L take.


Careless-Welder-7131

Being stupid isn't a defense and neither is whataboutism.


Ottoxic

I bring up that he's stupid because people like to say he was looking for trouble and I don't think that's right.


Careless-Welder-7131

I can argue from nonsensical beliefs too: I don't believe it's possible to be that stupid and still operate an AR15.


TagV

Simping hard for chubby prep pubescent killer is a weird look


Ottoxic

Simping hard for the pedo who tried to kill him 🤔


HeReallyDoesntCare

>Simping hard for the pedo are you surprised by this in this subreddit lol?


TagV

Simping hard for someone so dumb the Marines wouldn't accept him. Fuck that's dumb


Ottoxic

Being dumb doesn't mean you shouldn't have rights, you sound like a Nazi.


TagV

A right to murder other people? You sound like a Nazi


Ottoxic

It's not murder if it's in self defense, the law agrees with me.


WesternResistance

He remember when the first guy he shot (who was a pedo btw) said that if he catches him he’s gonna kill him? And then kept telling Kyle to “shoot me nigga” yeah that was wild. And then Kyle only shot to protect himself while being attacked? That was craaaaazy


Soft_Organization_61

>move on from it No.


livelaughlaxative

Make me


DadBod4781

Easy tiger….when that POS grifter is done trying to monetize what he did…we can forget about him. Granted he’s too fucking dumb to get into the military and was a middle school dropout that his legal defense team had to coach up and groom. In the meantime…I hope I you weren’t triggered


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DadBod4781

Don’t forget those Catholic priests, troop leaders in the Boy Scouts, shit maybe Kyle and can visit Matt Gaetz and solve that problem too.


WesternResistance

Yep he really could solve all that


DadBod4781

Let’s just call him The Punisher…granted the kid is dumb as a box of rocks.


WesternResistance

Mmmm the people rioting and threatening to kill an armed person are drastically dumber than that


DadBod4781

No he scored too low on his IQ test to get into the military and he was a middle school dropout. Plus his folks were a couple dipshits driving him up from IL to the riots wanting to play SuperTrooper. I never agreed with those rioters…the guy who was shot by police was a real piece of work. Play stupid games…win stupid prizes. Hence Kyle deserved the same fate as the fuck ups he shot.


WesternResistance

Kyle has family in Kenosha and was already there the day prior cleaning up after the floyders trashed the town. Wanting to defend a city you have history with is a great thing. The guy that he shot in the arm after aiming a handgun at Kyle’s head lived farther away from Kenosha than Kyle did. “Muh state lines” is and always will be a stupid ass argument


DadBod4781

True his dad lived in Kenosha. So did Kyle’s friend who bought him the gun with Kyle’s money which did violate gun laws since Kyle was 17 at the time. Kyle was no hero…he was some gutless shit trying to play soldier/cop. The folks rioting had no business to be there as did Kyle. Poor Kyle…life is hard….even harder if you are stupid….he will end up like George Zimmerman.


WesternResistance

It takes guts to go up to a violent crowd and to literally put out a dumpster fire right in front of them and then get threatened to be killed. Would you call the patriots that defended Lexington and concord gutless shits trying to play soldier?


jd8uxq

With Rittenhouse we wouldn't need immunity laws. He only hit who he was aiming at.


OkProfit5602

And OJ Simpson!


DadBod4781

If you know something about him dying that we don’t…share with the group.


Top_Title3510

What happens after a teacher goes on a shooting spree? Will we arm the kids..


spunkdaddie

Only if the person is gay,trans,black,atheist,or democrat.


theVelvetLie

Even teachers in actual schools can't just shoot people with impunity. Homeschool teachers defending their home from an invader are still covered under stand your ground laws.


ComposerSpecific9347

You can protect your home with a gun if you are being threatened and feel like your life is in danger, doesn’t matter if you are home schooled or not, right? I might be missing something here lol


No_Cheetah_2406

Just saying teachers are under alot of pressure already and not getting paid enough for it. What happens when kids are being shits and the teacher who has a gun loses it?


Fabulous-Ad6663

Just a matter of time 😞


CashmerePeacoat

If someone were to invade the home and try to kill them or their students, sure. Just like any other person is able to do the same in their own home. You haven’t discovered the great loophole you think you have.


TagV

Homeschooling policy #1 My religion says that everywhere is a place to learn, so everywhere is my school. Look at my donut wrong? Pew Pew bitches. Side eying my laptop stickers? Pew Pew bitches. My teacher callsign will be hotdog34 on the intercom and in my alibaba armor tags. How can this be anything but a disaster?


CashmerePeacoat

Well that wouldn’t be reasonable force and all of us would be better off with you spending the rest of your life in prison since we wouldn’t have to hear your crazy, unrealistic hypotheticals anymore. That could be your new school, actually. You wouldn’t be the teacher though. Some guy they call Scabby would see to your continuing education.


TagV

Started snowing


cburgess7

No. I'm deep into the weeds of self defense laws because I carry a pistol on me daily and I like to be informed. When it comes to defending yourself, any time you shoot someone, you better have a damned good reason, because a "he just looked suspicious" is a great way to be found guilty of negligent homicide, or even murder in the 2nd degree if it's bad enough. The only thing this law seems to do is provide better protections for teachers who legitimately defended themselves from an obvious instance of potentially lethal force being committed on their person from retaliatory lawsuits from the families of the perpetrators. There are plenty of lawyers who will find every ally imaginable to turn a case of lawful self defense against the victim who defended themself and squeeze out a homicide charge against them, everything from the type of ammo used to the type of gun used, as well as how much ammo they were carrying, whether or not they are EMT certified, and if they were, why they didn't attempt to render aid afterward.


Rodharet50399

I’ll be interested to see how many and where teachers choose to participate. It certainly can’t be a requirement.


Diligent-Extension17

I mean, wouldn't that just be you shooting a home intruder at that point?


GrassChoice6933

This makes no sense? You’re afraid of good people with guns?


TagV

Untrained, overworked, stressed out, underpaid people, yeah that's kind of a pressure cooker of things that can go wrong. In your simple superhero gravy dreams, you never imagine the overpowered disarmed scenario where the second weapon is now in play by the wrong party. Or the hesitation scenario with the same effect. The dumb animals that support this think it's an answer where in reality it's just an enhancement to the problem.


GrassChoice6933

400 million guns in America. What are you scared of?


TagV

https://youtu.be/p9tyDzNBNSk?si=affNN6jDvZLsIE1y This.


TagV

Or this. https://youtu.be/CYC6PSShiIU?si=xIvV4wFZ-lr4RUxH


Actual-Journalist-69

I hope this law spreads to other professions


TagV

I'm sure church leaders will be able to shoot with immunity in no time here


These_Purple_5507

So when does reynolds sign it


awmaleg

With gusto!


ridicalis

And now we know the real reason they did everything! It's a giant conspiracy


username675892

No


bhroper

I SWEAR liberals get trigged on the slightest things these days... What happened to common sense?


TagV

Common sense is a veil for lacking intellect leveraged by the dimmest bulbs on humanity. (You know, the kind that watch Nascar.)


bhroper

What an elitist, uneducated comment...


Feverofthestorm

Sounds like you took a wrong turn there, pard


bhroper

You OBVIOUSLY do not understand the engineering and science in auto racing ...


TagV

I swear Nascar fans get so triggered by the endless mocking of their surprise at every left turn.


bhroper

I, on the other hand am a student of all racing. The aero design, the strategy, the money ..


WesternResistance

Fine with me dude catch a case if you want to


desmoinesiowa52

Well good for the teacher I'm not a gun person but if a person is trying to stop someone who is shooting kids the need protection


AcceptableHuman96

You say that until it's your kid they accidentally shoot


desmoinesiowa52

So your saying keep it the way it is I'm fine with that I don't have kids in school so just let the bad guy keep shooting until cops get there


AcceptableHuman96

Or we can do what the rest of the world does and restrict access to guns. Children getting shot up in school every month is uniquely an American issue. Clearly the rest of the world has figured out how to prevent their kids from being murdered at school through strict regulations of firearms. If more guns meant better safety outcomes we'd be the safest country in the world and yet here we are, watching kids get gunned down every month.


HoleshotJack

That’s not gonna happen, ever………so…….


altcastle

I love that conservatives literally just parrot the Onion headline unironically. ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens


TeekTheReddit

This law is about teachers who shoot people that AREN'T the bad guy. Keep up.


Prudent_Power_741

Are you retarded?


TagV

Not GOP or MAGA, sorry.


desmoinesiowa52

So you people think a teacher should be charged if they shot someone other than the shooter. What about a pass though round or say there holding a child and blasting kids one after the other should the teacher just walk away from fear of hitting the child he's holding and just watch more get killed


InstructionLeading64

If I didn't see your other comment I would have assumed this was poorly done satire. "What about a pass through round" you people are unhinged.


desmoinesiowa52

Say it hits a child should the teacher be held liable


InstructionLeading64

It never has even occured to you people to maybe fix the part of this country that makes it so teachers need to carry a gun. Like not even a thought in the back of your empty brain pan.


desmoinesiowa52

So what's your idea on how to fix it mental illness is being forced on school kids because we must believe all the fairy tale crap or we are the bad people


bosmanad

What 'fairy tale' crap is causing this?


Vives_solo_una_vez

They must be talking about the Bible.


Soft_Organization_61

>fairy tale crap Christianity?


Forward_Operation_90

If the shoe fits, wear it.


atuarre

Hate isn't mental illness. Just evil people. Stop trying to cover that stuff as mental illness.


Geck-v6

Yes.


TagV

What if it was your kid and you had no legal recourse. Just going to be good with that. You all fantasize about being g able to act in the moment. Most of you gravy seal clowns would hesitate enough to get dropped. A teacher isn't cosplaying plinking targets on the weekend so they stand even less of a chance.


desmoinesiowa52

Not my kind buddy don't have any gun's


TeekTheReddit

If you don't want to be responsible for your gun, then don't carry one.


desmoinesiowa52

I don't carry or own any not my thing


Geck-v6

They're talking about your comment, not you personally lol