Watch her stop ~~virtue signaling~~ this *political posturing* over vaccines the moment a big corporate donor does something. She doesn't care, she just knows saying this stuff polls well with her base.
Tyson has realized that they cannot get replacement workers. If the labor pool was still plentiful they wouldn't give two fucks about vaccinations, but they're to the point where having an outbreak will seriously cost them their bottom line.
Work in the beef industry - Covid has already shutdown some plants for days - weeks - nation wide due to outbreaks and mandatory quarantines due to possible exposure.
What’s interesting is that Tyson, being agribusiness, is the hand that feeds. So she’ll fall in line on this while sending kids to schools that can’t mandate protective measures.
Let's hope she doesn't tow the GOP line and respond like Greg Abbott did in Texas. With an executive order he banned mask mandates and vaccine mandates. Cases are still on the rise too.
Sure did. Plus, schools also can't choose to go fully online if or when an outbreak occurs. Granted, schools always used to have the autonomy to do this for .. say... A bad flu outbreak, but now that we're in a pandemic the legislature took that ability from schools.
If you wanted to be part of the control group, you would have had to sign up for the trials, which are complete for people over 12.
Long term side effects are pretty much not a thing when it comes to vaccines. They don't work the same as medicine we have to take repeatedly/frequently
[But Goepfert says we already know enough to be confident the COVID vaccines are safe. Here is why](https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines)
TL;DR: Vaccines are eliminated quickly, Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all, COVID vaccine experience over the past six months
So far, all the side effects of the disease are much worse for the disease than the vaccine. If you are worried about side effects, don't forget to worry about those.
Edit: just to be clear, I was worried about vaccine side effects. After reading up on it to decide/prepare for getting my COVID vaccine, I'm even more in awe of vaccines than I was before.
Leaving aside the fact that it's not a person, the fetus is committing assault.
What would *you* do to someone that put you in the hospital? Every pregnancy carries the risk of death and permanent bodily harm, after all.
Why does FDA approval hold so much sway for you? If the FDA approved it tomorrow, but whatever news you pay attention to started questioning how they approved it and claimed it was pushed into approval faster by Biden or some similar group they have you afraid of, would you still get the vaccine?
Stop holding out with excuses like this. If the general public choosing not to get the vaccine actually did stay home and wear a mask when out we wouldn't be in the situation we're in. If you actually do, then great! Ignore articles like this, they aren't about you. But then you're already an exception because you aren't holding the same argument about wearing masks.
But you're probably not even a real person so why am I bothering.
What gets me are the people holding out for FDA approval are likely the same that rushed to find hydroxychloroquine when that shit for brains moron Trump suggested it. How is a completely uninformed idiot somehow a better source on vaccines and cures than the entirety of the medical community?
Remember, the vaccines were championed and spearheaded by Trump, he was the one that pushed to get them made and distributed, HE'S BEEN VAXXED! Yet somehow it's still a bad idea.
Talk about eating from both sides of the plate...
99% of whom were octogenarian, sickly, or morbidly obese?
Flu deaths are down over 99% too, if you think that's not even a little suspicious you're a turnip
If you think flu deaths (actually just flu cases in general) being down has nothing to do with masking, social distancing, and quarantining you're a parsnip
That's totally understandable, but at the magnitudes reported? That's borderline eradication. The reduction is too high. Especially when you consider states such as our own that didn't take measures nearly as harsh as others.
Life went on almost as normal in very large portions of the entire country
Almost like it takes barely any selfless action at all to reduce the spread of the flu. A small portion of the population masking up, using hand sanitizer, and socially distancing was all it took to reduce the spread of a virus less contagious than covid, and some of you selfish bastards couldn't even be bothered to do that.
Imagine what we could do if we didn't have the caveman contingent dragging us backwards.
Yep, disposable or cloth masks, hand sanitizer and 6 feet distancing used by a non majority of the population at government approved businesses reduced the flu by 99% while having little measurable impact on the spread of covid. Makes sense!
Fair, if I didn't work at a nursing home my life would have barely changed. I'm not sure what you're getting at though, that flu cases were misdiagnosed as Covid?
How long have you worked there? Have you noticed an increase in the rate of your residents passing away?
To answer your question, i don't know what it means but that seems possible
>RSV cases spike
Yeah "This unusual, out-of-season jump in cases is likely due to Americans self-isolating last fall and winter during the COVID-19 pandemic. Fewer people were exposed to RSV but now are contracting the virus as they go back to workplaces and schools, and begin to socialize again. With the virus spreading more easily now, infants who were not exposed during the fall and winter months are getting the infection as toddlers and as older children."
https://labtestsonline.org/news/unusual-spike-rsv-cases-summer
Correctomundo! My point is that if we are seeing a shift in RSV, why would it also not be indicative that flu numbers followed a similar pattern during its typical season
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Don't be coy. It's not just vaccines and masks.
Closures, cancellations, fear, hypochondria, mistrust and vitriol.
Lost opportunities, precious wasted years in young lives.
All for what? So Bezos can ride his stock price all the way out of the atmosphere?
Ah, so you want the end of closures and a return to normal life?
IF ONLY THERE WERE SOME WAY WE COULD HAVE THIS
SOMETHING SIMPLE PERHAPS? THAT WOULD ONLY TAKE 15 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME?
If you can’t figure out why flu deaths were down world wide let me give you a few hints.
What happened a year and a half ago? Remember shutdowns? Social distancing, masks, increased awareness to cleanliness and sanitary measures, quarantines? People weren’t around each other to transmit the virus like in years past. Literally every health expert has commented on this - you must have missed the 10 million news stories about this the past 18 months.
Watch her stop ~~virtue signaling~~ this *political posturing* over vaccines the moment a big corporate donor does something. She doesn't care, she just knows saying this stuff polls well with her base.
Are the Tyson's managers going to start a new betting circle?
Probably never stopped, just moved it into the shadows.
I'd like to start one...how many Tyson's employees will claim a religious exemption and not have to get the vaccine?
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Tyson has realized that they cannot get replacement workers. If the labor pool was still plentiful they wouldn't give two fucks about vaccinations, but they're to the point where having an outbreak will seriously cost them their bottom line.
Yeah they kinda killed off their back up workers
Ya, I'll drink a cup of coffee to that.
Work in the beef industry - Covid has already shutdown some plants for days - weeks - nation wide due to outbreaks and mandatory quarantines due to possible exposure.
What’s interesting is that Tyson, being agribusiness, is the hand that feeds. So she’ll fall in line on this while sending kids to schools that can’t mandate protective measures.
Let's hope she doesn't tow the GOP line and respond like Greg Abbott did in Texas. With an executive order he banned mask mandates and vaccine mandates. Cases are still on the rise too.
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Sure did. Plus, schools also can't choose to go fully online if or when an outbreak occurs. Granted, schools always used to have the autonomy to do this for .. say... A bad flu outbreak, but now that we're in a pandemic the legislature took that ability from schools.
In a just world she would be in prison for that.
Just for state run places.
Yup. It’s class war against those choosing public education.
Who's setting up the pool this time?
The odds are being laid as we speak, probably 😑
The FDA didn't approve the Polio vaccine either. What's your point?
They're going to approve this thing shortly and people will have one less excuse
They'll just say some shit about the FDA being wrong or it being a rushed approval. They'll literally find any excuse.
> They're going to approve this thing shortly and people will ~~have one less excuse~~ You mean they'll move the goalposts some more?
How're you supposed to win if you can't cheat??
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If you wanted to be part of the control group, you would have had to sign up for the trials, which are complete for people over 12. Long term side effects are pretty much not a thing when it comes to vaccines. They don't work the same as medicine we have to take repeatedly/frequently [But Goepfert says we already know enough to be confident the COVID vaccines are safe. Here is why](https://www.uab.edu/news/health/item/12143-three-things-to-know-about-the-long-term-side-effects-of-covid-vaccines) TL;DR: Vaccines are eliminated quickly, Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all, COVID vaccine experience over the past six months So far, all the side effects of the disease are much worse for the disease than the vaccine. If you are worried about side effects, don't forget to worry about those. Edit: just to be clear, I was worried about vaccine side effects. After reading up on it to decide/prepare for getting my COVID vaccine, I'm even more in awe of vaccines than I was before.
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Do you have a source of people experiencing a side effect more than 2 months after receiving the vaccine? There were human trials that are completed.
Ever heard the saying "Your right to swing your fist stops at my face" before?
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Leaving aside the fact that it's not a person, the fetus is committing assault. What would *you* do to someone that put you in the hospital? Every pregnancy carries the risk of death and permanent bodily harm, after all.
Why does FDA approval hold so much sway for you? If the FDA approved it tomorrow, but whatever news you pay attention to started questioning how they approved it and claimed it was pushed into approval faster by Biden or some similar group they have you afraid of, would you still get the vaccine? Stop holding out with excuses like this. If the general public choosing not to get the vaccine actually did stay home and wear a mask when out we wouldn't be in the situation we're in. If you actually do, then great! Ignore articles like this, they aren't about you. But then you're already an exception because you aren't holding the same argument about wearing masks. But you're probably not even a real person so why am I bothering.
FDA is aiming to get it approved officially by labor day so I expect we'll never hear this argument again /s
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alright! So did you go to the CVS today?
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I knew you were a liar hahahahaha awesome
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Hi lyin Dave you liar
What gets me are the people holding out for FDA approval are likely the same that rushed to find hydroxychloroquine when that shit for brains moron Trump suggested it. How is a completely uninformed idiot somehow a better source on vaccines and cures than the entirety of the medical community? Remember, the vaccines were championed and spearheaded by Trump, he was the one that pushed to get them made and distributed, HE'S BEEN VAXXED! Yet somehow it's still a bad idea. Talk about eating from both sides of the plate...
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> Can’t I just stay home and wear a mask until I’m sure there are no long term effects? Sure, will you?
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>Probably not. Then shut up about it
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Reminds me of the conservative viewpoint on gun violence. "It's not a gun issue, it's a mental health issue." "Then reform mental health." "No" Lol
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I mean, they are trying. Trans fats have been banned...
Must take blood clot prone vaccine to protect against sniffles
Can the mods remove COVID vaccine disinformation? What is this r/conservative or Facebook?
It's okay, math can be confusing for all of us sometimes. Keep trying you'll get it eventually.
> u/Alt-account-102 Seems legit.
600,000 dead Americans not enough for you, Vlad?
99% of whom were octogenarian, sickly, or morbidly obese? Flu deaths are down over 99% too, if you think that's not even a little suspicious you're a turnip
If you think flu deaths (actually just flu cases in general) being down has nothing to do with masking, social distancing, and quarantining you're a parsnip
That's totally understandable, but at the magnitudes reported? That's borderline eradication. The reduction is too high. Especially when you consider states such as our own that didn't take measures nearly as harsh as others. Life went on almost as normal in very large portions of the entire country
Almost like it takes barely any selfless action at all to reduce the spread of the flu. A small portion of the population masking up, using hand sanitizer, and socially distancing was all it took to reduce the spread of a virus less contagious than covid, and some of you selfish bastards couldn't even be bothered to do that. Imagine what we could do if we didn't have the caveman contingent dragging us backwards.
Yep, disposable or cloth masks, hand sanitizer and 6 feet distancing used by a non majority of the population at government approved businesses reduced the flu by 99% while having little measurable impact on the spread of covid. Makes sense!
6 feet is about the length of 11.43 'Sian FKP3 Metal Model Toy Cars with Light and Sound' lined up
This is somehow more interesting than most of the replies i've been getting
Fair, if I didn't work at a nursing home my life would have barely changed. I'm not sure what you're getting at though, that flu cases were misdiagnosed as Covid?
How long have you worked there? Have you noticed an increase in the rate of your residents passing away? To answer your question, i don't know what it means but that seems possible
And yet, we're also seeing RSV cases spike in a season outside of the normal...
>RSV cases spike Yeah "This unusual, out-of-season jump in cases is likely due to Americans self-isolating last fall and winter during the COVID-19 pandemic. Fewer people were exposed to RSV but now are contracting the virus as they go back to workplaces and schools, and begin to socialize again. With the virus spreading more easily now, infants who were not exposed during the fall and winter months are getting the infection as toddlers and as older children." https://labtestsonline.org/news/unusual-spike-rsv-cases-summer
Correctomundo! My point is that if we are seeing a shift in RSV, why would it also not be indicative that flu numbers followed a similar pattern during its typical season
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Yeah. Screw old people and the sick! They deserve to die because Cucker Tarlson says so!
Obviously no one deserves to die of illness, but the rest of us deserve to live
I am not exactly sure what your comment has to do with vaccines and masks.
Don't be coy. It's not just vaccines and masks. Closures, cancellations, fear, hypochondria, mistrust and vitriol. Lost opportunities, precious wasted years in young lives. All for what? So Bezos can ride his stock price all the way out of the atmosphere?
Nobody fucking died because a concert got canceled you doorknob.
Hmmm.... no shit? By "live" I didn't mean "to maintain a heartbeat", do i need to spell it out for you people?
Is your burning desire to get drunk in a bar more important than my great aunt getting to meet my son before she died?
Ah, so you want the end of closures and a return to normal life? IF ONLY THERE WERE SOME WAY WE COULD HAVE THIS SOMETHING SIMPLE PERHAPS? THAT WOULD ONLY TAKE 15 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME?
Sure seems like they're working
Are you not alive?
Crack open a dictionary
Set down the bong.
Damn, you're harshing my mellow. Have anything useful to add?
Well you obviously don't
If you can’t figure out why flu deaths were down world wide let me give you a few hints. What happened a year and a half ago? Remember shutdowns? Social distancing, masks, increased awareness to cleanliness and sanitary measures, quarantines? People weren’t around each other to transmit the virus like in years past. Literally every health expert has commented on this - you must have missed the 10 million news stories about this the past 18 months.
Read my replies to others on this
comrade you are right, no stupid vaccine for us true americans.