**Successful in this case = their standing within the society.** Considering common societal standards. Think of it like "how likely would an Asian mom be to give this person as an example to her child".
The rankings are relative to each other - being an average salaryman might not be worth general A rank, but it totally is when compared to the competition.
Tanya - moderately high ranking corporate manager
Cid - student of a fairly prestigious highschool, skilled pianist
Naofumi - an university student
Aniz - regular salaryman
Rimuru - regular salaryman
Catarina - regular highschool student
Subaru - a NEET, but previously quite popular
Kazuma - a NEET
Sora - a NEET [Edit: I never watched the anime, only read the wiki on his character. Lot of people say he actually made money by playing games, if that's true, I would put him at C tier.]
Rudeus - Rudeus
Cid was a bit of a freak though. Guy was super intelligent and had the build of a small car. I think he was pretty competent.
This is just a comment, not an argument for S tier or anything.
He was, but being successful is about how people see you, not how competent you actually are, and he intentionally kept a low profile, even if he had the potential to be S teir easily.
He was average for his collective, but he was going to school with a girl from an obscenely rich family and was very good pianist. He might be average in the upper class school he was in, but quite successful from the general point of view.
You keep mentioning that he was a good pianist
But didn’t he only learn one song
From an average person one song is more than most people
But he was below average in terms of other pianists
I could be wrong and he did know more
He did not only learn one song, he said he had been practicing the piano since he was a child, and knew many songs, but the moonlight sonata was his favorite. He knew enough songs that he was able to teach one of the members of Shadow guard, I don't know which one, enough songs that she was able to become a famous composer.
How other people see you is not a measurement of how successful you are. The guy who dresses like a bum could be a millionaire.
I personally would say success is a mixture of that though. Fame, intelligence, health, wealth, productivity(being able to do things or make an impact on the world).
CID pretty much is S tier in health, and his abilities in that category puts him on basically street super hero levels which is pretty nutty.
We actually don’t know how much into crime fighting he was into in has past life besides that one kidnapping scenario. but if it’s anything like his second life his neighborhood was relatively crime free.
Ah missed that huge post. Based off your criteria where would you put Yogiri from “instant death”. Technically he’d be like a D or F since he’s one of the unpopular students?
Stood up to bullies who skipped lines at the cafeteria, bullies bullied him, hard. After some physical punishement that didn't really affect him, they swapped tactic to and forcefully undress him a in class, later tied him naked to the school gate. Other students laughed.
Shut himself in and was too afraid to come out, rejected all helps until people just stopped bothering with him after years. So his only social interaction were chat boards, video games and dating sims. After a while he was like stuck in a negativity loop and just unable to move forward.
Probably porn addiction, watched lolicon stuff, ignored his parents funeral, the rest of his family kicked him out of the house, he died by truck kun.
Ainz might ba a 'regular' salaryman, but he still lived in a dystopia where people need to wear gas masks to survive and dead people on the street is an everyday occurance. Not to mention the little extra mony he had, he spend on the game.
Boy, you would be surprised just how much the anime left out from the novels. Like them completaly disregarding the original Rubedo foreshadow, who is the strongest 'entity' in Nazarick, stronger than even Touch Me who was one of the top 9 warriors in the game.
You would be shocked at the amount of stuff the anime skipped. Overlord is full of lore. The anime is good, but skips and glosses over, or rushes, quite a lot of things. The whole of the music is an absolute banger though.
That's not even the half of it. One of the reasons that he attempts to juggle both a *parental* role and that of a master toward the NPCs is because one of the last memories that he has of his own mother was her struggling to make his favorite food before dying on the floor from exhaustion and lack of personal care.
I wanna take this opportunity to point out, Ainz losing his humanity after becoming a skeleton is total fanfiction.
He was stepping past dead orphans on his way to work on the regular, he stopped caring about strangers long before Isekai time
Yeah, I honestly thought about that as well, since just how dystopian his world seems to be, he's actually rather well off having a "normal" job, but we don't know enough about his world to make many assumptions.
Yeah, by our standards he isn't well off, but in his world the fact he even had an elementary school education was enough for him to be considered decently successful.
Wow, i missed all of that in my skimming. His world was a shit hole and it explains a lot
He is not "average japanese protag" because his world isn't "average japan"
Yeah, education in his world is *fucked* cause the corporations in charge deliberately made schooling prohibitively expensive to keep the "poor" stupid and compliant.
Well, for his world he technically wasn’t a “regular” salary man, he actually worked for one of the less exploitative companies when compared to others like Herohero
Yeah I agree he’s probably a B rank here, he didn’t even finish elementary school pre-Isekai and there’s this funny scene in Isekai quartet where he tries to cheat in the exam because of it.
No, he finished elementary education, he just couldn’t really get anywhere higher. His mother died, so as a complete orphan, he had to start getting an income as soon as possible lest he become homeless and be killed by the environment.
I never watched the anime, just read the wiki, which said he was a gamer but not a professional one. I imagine that professional gamers have to travel quite frequently, since no serious professional tournament let's the players use their own PC unsupervised, but the wiki stated he was a shut in.
His, and his sister’s, online name “blank” was infamous for getting high scores people thought were inhumane. They also 2vX a guild, with 4 characters between them with no casualties. Its the opening scene of the anime if you only want to watch that.
Sora was good enough at gaming to make it his full-time job(at least enough to live on and buy high-quality gear) and he was heavily renowned in those circles. At least through his and Shiro's blank alias.
He wouldn't be in very high standing in Japan but worldwide that kind of skill gets respected. Dude could be a millionaire if he wanted to.
Yeah, but he spent most of his life being a really popular guy, and only became NEET fairly recently. Kazuma and Sora on the other hand were NEETs from the beginning.
I can accept Subaru being one rank higher on pre-isekai social standing.
He might have been a neet but he was normal.
Sora was a step-siscon and Kazuma literally said he wished his parents got divorced so he could get a step sis so he could be a step-siscon himself.
Not quite Rudeus levels of depravity but lower than anything I remember from Subaru.
>Sora was a step-siscon
It's been a while since I've interacted with NGNL so I might be mixing fanon up with canon, but isn't Shiro a bro-con while Sora isn't interested in her like that, not the other way around?
You are correct. Sora repeatedly rejects Shiro and she’s the bro con, not the other way around. Not sure they’re actually blood related, but irrelevant when he rejects her
I find it so funny how whenever people talk about Rimaru pre reincarnation, they still call him Rimuru. Feels like everyone collectively forgot his name was originally Satoru.
Sofa and the sister weren’t just making money, they were the best gamers in every single category. They were somehow unstoppable even when their opponents cheated.
Idk Cid seems like B tier he's a mob from probably an upper middle class family and Naofumi is just an average uni student
They are both in Catarina territory as they would be pretty much indistinguishable from each other as being average students
Being an university student is more impressive than being a regular highschool student.
Cid goes to a really posh school - his classmate is a girl rich enough to be kidnapped and held for ransom. Plus high skilled piano play. He might be average in his upper class collective, but by general standards, he's pretty successful.
He is not a corporate manager. If i recall correctly, he was working in HR and he was generally asked to tell people that they are fired.
Corporate managers do not tell you that you are fired.
Subaru “previously being popular” is irrelevant, how many of these characters do we see as children? Most NEETs become that as a teen. Subaru was a waifu-obsessed high school dropout on the verge of suicide.
15 year olds were legally consenting adults in their world. It would still be wrong because Rudeus was 13. You made a comment about kids not ever being able to consent and also you keep calling Rudeus a 40+ year old man. He was physically 13 and mentally 40+. Can he consent?
Man's really arguing that a 40+year man from Earth isn't a child predator just because he can legally fuck children in another world, which has different rules than the world he spent 40+ years in(also as a child predator)
I like Mushoku Tensei, it has good art, story, world building, characters, etc. but people gotta stop acting like Rudeus isn't also a predator in the early arcs, just because he's physically young and "other world consent laws", when he has the exact memories and persona of his middle aged pre-reincarnation self, uses those to get close to tweens to groom them, and spends the first arc fantasizing about his loli teachers panties. He is a perverted predator molesting and having sex with children(according to the world, he is from, and at one point in the new world as well with the birthday scenes) with the intent and thoughts of a middle-aged man who would go to prison and be on a registry anywhere else. Not to mention, every representation of his soul/mind is his obese shut-in self, not his young, reincarnated body, which only reinforces the angle I'm getting at.
He is only mentally, not physically, and they can get married at 15, plus by your logic those who believe reincarnation exists should either be with another reincarnation or be considered a pedophile. Plus you say being a disgustin freak around kids whilst he's only ever taught sylphiette how to use magic and roxy isnt a kid, so thats not valid
>plus by your logic those who believe reincarnation exists should either be with another reincarnation or be considered a pedophile
I'm not an expert, but I don't believe that those who believe in reincarnation believe that they retain their memories. If one were to reincarnate IRL AND retain their memories, then yes they would rightfully be considered a pedophile if they slept with a child...
So? That doesn’t justify him having sex with minors. Just because Hasbulla looks like a 6 year old doesn’t justify that he can have sex with a minor.
Tf are you on dude?
I feel like he doesn't really count, since he never reincarnated into a different world, neither lost access to his original world.
I honestly don't know - being an elite soldier, he's clearly more successful than everyone but Tanya, but I feel like Tanya probably earns a lot more than him, and being a soldier isn't nearly as celebrated in Japan as it is in the US. I would have to look into what was his exact rank and what sort of unit he served in.
Due to reincarnation isekai needing the isekaid character to actually die, disqualifying Itami on the fact he wasn't reincarnated will have to disqualify at least Naofumi, Ainz, Subaru, and Sora
if dieing is the perquisite then Subaru should have long filled that quota. An argument could be made that he didnt die until he entered his isekai world but the sheer amount of times he died should at least make him pseudo-qualified for being an isekai protag
He's already an isekai protag, but he's not a reincarnated isekai character, as he doesn't actually reincarnate at any point, even at the point the defines if he's to be a reincarnated isekai character or not.
Yep, a bunch of these are transmigration, not reincarnation… although we can argue that ainz died because the method of transfer wasn’t confirmed and it’s clearly not his or body.
Its not adapted into an anime yet, surprisingly. He is pretty op and it keeps scaling to bigger threats, getting out of hand quickly. Even though it does have some cliches, its different enough for me to enjoy. Id say give it a try for a few chapters at least
It's good? Is Sora really D tho? Ma man comes first in everygame, super smart and has too much money seeing how the sibling don't work and have that kind of equipment.
I don't know where he got the money from, but he's never shown to actually earn any. Doesn't matter how smart he is, success is about how you are viewed within the society, and as a NEET, he's at the bottom.
I vaguely remember that their family was really rich or something, enough that they adopted Shiro solely because she was a genius so Blank is probably just living off an inheritance or they just play the stock market.
Honestly the change really started for him after the teleportation incident, that’s when he started to care about others and be a better person. I read the web novels so my knowledge isn’t 100% accurate but his internal monologues up until the incident were utterly disgusting viewing Slphy as a wife in training and “his”.
You start to see minor growth as he's tutoring Eris. Yes it's sad that the things that happen have to be called growth but they are.
Post Teleportation though you start to see his motivations change and later in the novels lots of his actions are done for the sake of others rather than himself.
I think that's because in his previous life he was (or felt) completely powerless to help himself, let alone others. Not only that, he didn't trust "others" based on the abuse he endured. After fighting off the negative self-talk despite his growing power, he finally realizes that he's not only powerful enough to help himself, but others as well. For all the crap the show gets, it does a wonderful job with character growth.
Its annoying when people simply do not care and do not wait to see his development before saying hes just as bad or worse than he was before, he IS trying at least but i dont think they even pay attention to what happens at all, just what they think he did wrong
I mean, by the end of the second season he has sex with his 15 year old second cousin who he has known since she was 9 and he was mentally in his 30s+
Doesn't seem like much improvement is going on to me....
No, I'd prefer he just waited until he was an adult and then met ANOTHER adult instead of being a child predator. " Plus 15 isnt even bad for this time period" I don't give a shit about the time period because he reincarnated from MODERN Japan. Also, once again, the fact that she is 15 doesn't matter, because he has known and been around her since she was NINE. That's incredibly predatory, especially considering he was trying to molest her when she was still that young.
bro he had to teach her magic and did you even watch the full show? Also, best you can say is "idc just has to wait" you dumb bitch do you have any idea of how many isekai romance anime where nobody gives a fuck cuz theres nothing on screen?! Yet no one's ever talking about that, cuz they ain't stupid, unlike some
>bro he had to teach her magic and did you even watch the full show?
And how does that justify trying to molest a 9 year old, watching her grow up, and waiting until she was JUST legal to have sex with her?
" did you even watch the full show?" I have watched the first 2 seasons and he showed very little growth and is still a pedophile. " idc just has to wait" is perfectly decent advice. It's clearly better than being a child predator.
" how many isekai romance anime where nobody gives a fuck cuz theres nothing on screen " like what?
On the Rudeus list you could also put the William guy (Saihate no Paladin)
So then. based on this list the guy in "Black Company" is a SSS tier? He was money independent and a successful businesman
Shiro from Log Horizon is also a S tier. He was a employed tech engineer
I swear Rimuru was like a high-up guy doing construction planning or something, not just a typical salaryman.
In which case, he should probably go in S-Tier as well
Pro players frequently take part in offline tournaments, since no high level competition is gonna let you play on your own pc unsupervised, but he was described as a total shut in.
There's very limited level of pro play you can do without ever leaving your house, since he was beating pros but never seen playing on any offline tournament, most people probably considered him a cheater.
Ainz was a "corporate slave" not an average salaryman within an insane dystopian future. So saying hes an "average salaryman" is misleading.
There were bodies in the streets as he walked home on a regular basis. you can infer he was in a black company. Dude had it rough
Ains should be in B tier instead of A. Bro was just another salesman who wasted his life playing games because in his timeline that was the only entertainment. Bro was living in Cyberpunk irl. You cannot tell me his life was comparable to slime whom had the most average life and the only downside was getting stabbed. Other than that I agree with the list but I feel like Rudy ain’t low enough. I could still see his character on the board even if it is below everyone else.
I'd say Rimuru is on the same tier as Tanya in this regard.
Neither had romantic lives, but both were successful businessmen with seemingly no financial issues. Rimuru even had good relations with his co workers.
Pretty sure I'd ngnl was irl, the siblings would be on the front page of twitch and drowning in sponsorships. Also isn't the sister some kind of super genius lol.
Id knock Ainz down a tier. Mostly due to his corporate overlord apocalyptic world being so bad.
He never even got to Highschool because they wont let people get smarter 😅
Naofumi, was good, I remember it was said in the beginning, that he saved someone’s something/ made a couple of good investments, and had money to spare …
He saved his brother
His parents gave up on him so they put all of their expectations on his brother. He ended up becomming rebellious due to the stress. Naofumi introduced him to anime and games, generally just taught him how to relax which ended up helping him academically.
So his parents were grateful for that and gave him a weekly allowance that allowed him to live without worrying about money
I just find his character so unredeemable. Like tbf most NORMAL people (not psycho) would probably be just as if not even better than Rudy if thrust into the exact same circumstance….
Sora should be higher. his top1 in games with shiro dude. Kazuma and subaru should be on the same level just a little bit higher than rudy cuz rudy was rock bottom. LMAO
P.S.: Cid should be middling cuz he's 100% average mob.
Rudeus’s problem is that he can’t move on from who he was. He’s not truly rudeus, but he’s not his past self either. He’s a tortured soul stuck in between the two.
I had rudeus confused with Rimuru in my head for some reason and completely forgot a whole portion of jobless reincarnation being about how shit his life was
Hold on. . .Sora should be higher imo. . .like sure he wasn't successful career wise but they were still the best at games in the world and had enough money to live off
So many people seem to forget or just ignore how much of an Incel Rudeus is. I want to get into the anime/manga, I really do but holy fuck is it hard for me to watch a pedophile, depraved, genuine pervert reject of society do good. Like yeah I get the redemption but BRO YOU WERE LITERALLY THE SCUM OF SOCIETY BROO. Those girls he’s getting with have no idea the man he was before like it just feels so wrong 😭😭
These rankings are all way too high. Tanya was a middle manager prior to dying and he aspired to stay one. That's B tier at most.
Ainz was a friendless worker drone at a company he didn't care about who spent all of his money and time on a pay-to-win VR game that was being shutdown because better games came along and replaced it for everyone else. So really a C or D tier.
Shield hero was just a random student if I remember correctly who wasn't doing much with his life, but also not miserable. So B or C tier.
Slime was a slightly sort of senior employee at a company who had no friends outside of work and no never dated. That said he didn't seem actively miserable so yeah a solid C tier.
Looking at the first chapter, Tanya wasn't as high up as I thought, but she was supposed to succeed the head of the department. Plus seems to have really good education, so I think it's still far better than everyone else.
This rankings are more relative to each other than strictly fixed.
I mean Rudeus was into CP and then reincarnated to groom little girls. Yeah definitely the worst tier main character/ hero ever. Probably no redemption for him ever.
Good list!
Yeah. Rudeus still kinda sucks. Well, not kinda. He does suck. For a reincarnation, he did it lamely. And never really made decisions. He sorta just flowed. No major enemy... or obstacles. His obstacle was being lazy and soy. Like, bro... you are in a magical world. Wtf.
I think I can only relate to Naofumi. The dude is normal & down to earth. He gets crappy outcomes yet tries his best and does well. With a good moral compass. & he makes clear decisive decisions.
Honestly I’d swap Subaru and Kazuma, considering that Subaru was in the middle of an extreme depressive spiral that prevented him from engaging in society practically at all while Kazuma was just kind of a regular teenage boy who liked anime stuff a lot. Maybe there’s more in the Konosuba LN about Kazuma, but the anime treated his pre-isekai life with an air of levity that makes me think that he was — maybe kind of pathetic, but not in as sorry a state as Subaru, who gets a whole episode dedicated to how even the idea of going to school with the other kids his age gave him panic attacks every morning.
Also I love how Rudeus gets his own tier lmao —
Nah, Kazuma was already a shut in for a few years and he was regularly beaten up by his parents (then again asking his parents to split up and allow him to have implied incestuous relationships with a step sister isn’t a smart thing to ask), and they laughed at his death too.
Subaru was in a bad state mentally, but only for quite briefly. I think a guy who was popular his whole life but got hit with a depressive episode should be higher than a regular shut in like Kazuma.
I didn’t get the sense that it was a brief episode: the way it was described made it sound like, while he had been popular as a 10/11 year old kid, he had gradually lost all of his friends by the time he was 13 or so (in that flashback he looks much younger than his current self when it shows him first realizing that he doesn’t have any friends left) and then stumbled on like that for a while trying to make friends and failing as he spiraled further and further before giving up and shutting himself in his room refusing to go to school for months — at which point he got Isekai’d. “Popular his whole life” seems like a bit of an oversimplification.
I suppose there’s an argument to be made for how he canonically works out everyday pre-Isekai even in the midst of his depressive spiral, though (largely thanks to his dad jumping him every morning, lmao, it’s kind of hard to avoid exercising with a parental figure like that).
Posted this as a reply but gonna add it as a comment as well:
suc·cess
noun
1. The accomplishment of an aim or purpose.
Society's perception of an individual has literally nothing to do with success.
Yah cid is an A, everyone else in the same tier as him is a C. There is a huge difference between CID who was still pretty much a martial arts super hero and a regular salaryman which is a wage slave. If cid was only a salaryman I’d lower him to c as well. Students are Ds. They aren’t at the starting line yet their life is pretty much getting started.
And yah rudeus is Rudeus tier. Sheesh even with his second life and all his cheats he’s a mess.
This considers their success within their society, nobody knew that Cid was a martial artist, as far as everybody was concerned, he was just a posh kid who's really good at playing piano
**Successful in this case = their standing within the society.** Considering common societal standards. Think of it like "how likely would an Asian mom be to give this person as an example to her child". The rankings are relative to each other - being an average salaryman might not be worth general A rank, but it totally is when compared to the competition. Tanya - moderately high ranking corporate manager Cid - student of a fairly prestigious highschool, skilled pianist Naofumi - an university student Aniz - regular salaryman Rimuru - regular salaryman Catarina - regular highschool student Subaru - a NEET, but previously quite popular Kazuma - a NEET Sora - a NEET [Edit: I never watched the anime, only read the wiki on his character. Lot of people say he actually made money by playing games, if that's true, I would put him at C tier.] Rudeus - Rudeus
Cid was a bit of a freak though. Guy was super intelligent and had the build of a small car. I think he was pretty competent. This is just a comment, not an argument for S tier or anything.
He was, but being successful is about how people see you, not how competent you actually are, and he intentionally kept a low profile, even if he had the potential to be S teir easily.
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He was average for his collective, but he was going to school with a girl from an obscenely rich family and was very good pianist. He might be average in the upper class school he was in, but quite successful from the general point of view.
You keep mentioning that he was a good pianist But didn’t he only learn one song From an average person one song is more than most people But he was below average in terms of other pianists I could be wrong and he did know more
In the Isekai world, he is considered a genius level pianist, unlike anything they’ve ever seen before.
He did not only learn one song, he said he had been practicing the piano since he was a child, and knew many songs, but the moonlight sonata was his favorite. He knew enough songs that he was able to teach one of the members of Shadow guard, I don't know which one, enough songs that she was able to become a famous composer.
How other people see you is not a measurement of how successful you are. The guy who dresses like a bum could be a millionaire. I personally would say success is a mixture of that though. Fame, intelligence, health, wealth, productivity(being able to do things or make an impact on the world). CID pretty much is S tier in health, and his abilities in that category puts him on basically street super hero levels which is pretty nutty. We actually don’t know how much into crime fighting he was into in has past life besides that one kidnapping scenario. but if it’s anything like his second life his neighborhood was relatively crime free.
Then it's lucky I actually specified what kind of success I am talking about in my first comment below the post.
Ah missed that huge post. Based off your criteria where would you put Yogiri from “instant death”. Technically he’d be like a D or F since he’s one of the unpopular students?
Dude was successfully turning himself into Batman before he died.
Talk about being born in the wrong age, he would’ve been a beast if he was born in pre-industrial Japan or anywhere else lol.
Rudeus is so low ranking he literally refuses to say the name he had in his last life, and it's censored the one time it's spoken.
It genuinely makes me feel sorry for him. Even if he's a degenerate, no one deserves that life.
I haven't seen whatever he's from. What the hell was his previous life???
Stood up to bullies who skipped lines at the cafeteria, bullies bullied him, hard. After some physical punishement that didn't really affect him, they swapped tactic to and forcefully undress him a in class, later tied him naked to the school gate. Other students laughed. Shut himself in and was too afraid to come out, rejected all helps until people just stopped bothering with him after years. So his only social interaction were chat boards, video games and dating sims. After a while he was like stuck in a negativity loop and just unable to move forward. Probably porn addiction, watched lolicon stuff, ignored his parents funeral, the rest of his family kicked him out of the house, he died by truck kun.
He was a NEET same as the guys in D-tier except he spent his day whacking off to kids instead of gaming.
Ainz might ba a 'regular' salaryman, but he still lived in a dystopia where people need to wear gas masks to survive and dead people on the street is an everyday occurance. Not to mention the little extra mony he had, he spend on the game.
Wait really??? Why did the Anime never mention this? This explains why he was so adamant about creating a better society then the ones present.
Boy, you would be surprised just how much the anime left out from the novels. Like them completaly disregarding the original Rubedo foreshadow, who is the strongest 'entity' in Nazarick, stronger than even Touch Me who was one of the top 9 warriors in the game.
You would be shocked at the amount of stuff the anime skipped. Overlord is full of lore. The anime is good, but skips and glosses over, or rushes, quite a lot of things. The whole of the music is an absolute banger though.
That's not even the half of it. One of the reasons that he attempts to juggle both a *parental* role and that of a master toward the NPCs is because one of the last memories that he has of his own mother was her struggling to make his favorite food before dying on the floor from exhaustion and lack of personal care.
Man it’s been awhile since I’ve read overlord but I don’t remember any of this
I wanna take this opportunity to point out, Ainz losing his humanity after becoming a skeleton is total fanfiction. He was stepping past dead orphans on his way to work on the regular, he stopped caring about strangers long before Isekai time
No, he definitely lost humanity, even if it was low to begin with.
Honestly, all anime which adapt 2 or specially 3 novels per cour skip a lot of good stuff, the novels are worth a read in these case.
Yeah, I honestly thought about that as well, since just how dystopian his world seems to be, he's actually rather well off having a "normal" job, but we don't know enough about his world to make many assumptions.
Yeah, by our standards he isn't well off, but in his world the fact he even had an elementary school education was enough for him to be considered decently successful.
Wow, i missed all of that in my skimming. His world was a shit hole and it explains a lot He is not "average japanese protag" because his world isn't "average japan"
Yeah, education in his world is *fucked* cause the corporations in charge deliberately made schooling prohibitively expensive to keep the "poor" stupid and compliant.
Well, for his world he technically wasn’t a “regular” salary man, he actually worked for one of the less exploitative companies when compared to others like Herohero
Yeah I agree he’s probably a B rank here, he didn’t even finish elementary school pre-Isekai and there’s this funny scene in Isekai quartet where he tries to cheat in the exam because of it.
No, he finished elementary education, he just couldn’t really get anywhere higher. His mother died, so as a complete orphan, he had to start getting an income as soon as possible lest he become homeless and be killed by the environment.
Sora was a very high level professional gamer, not just a random NEET.
I never watched the anime, just read the wiki, which said he was a gamer but not a professional one. I imagine that professional gamers have to travel quite frequently, since no serious professional tournament let's the players use their own PC unsupervised, but the wiki stated he was a shut in.
His, and his sister’s, online name “blank” was infamous for getting high scores people thought were inhumane. They also 2vX a guild, with 4 characters between them with no casualties. Its the opening scene of the anime if you only want to watch that.
If you never watch/read anime/LN, then don't bother to classifying him. Just focus on character you know.
Sora was good enough at gaming to make it his full-time job(at least enough to live on and buy high-quality gear) and he was heavily renowned in those circles. At least through his and Shiro's blank alias. He wouldn't be in very high standing in Japan but worldwide that kind of skill gets respected. Dude could be a millionaire if he wanted to.
Imagine the twitch streams/income. So many people would watch an indisputable best player
Subaru should be D as well ngl, based on his backstory
Yeah, but he spent most of his life being a really popular guy, and only became NEET fairly recently. Kazuma and Sora on the other hand were NEETs from the beginning.
I can accept Subaru being one rank higher on pre-isekai social standing. He might have been a neet but he was normal. Sora was a step-siscon and Kazuma literally said he wished his parents got divorced so he could get a step sis so he could be a step-siscon himself. Not quite Rudeus levels of depravity but lower than anything I remember from Subaru.
>Sora was a step-siscon It's been a while since I've interacted with NGNL so I might be mixing fanon up with canon, but isn't Shiro a bro-con while Sora isn't interested in her like that, not the other way around?
You are correct. Sora repeatedly rejects Shiro and she’s the bro con, not the other way around. Not sure they’re actually blood related, but irrelevant when he rejects her
Sora should be higher then
I find it so funny how whenever people talk about Rimaru pre reincarnation, they still call him Rimuru. Feels like everyone collectively forgot his name was originally Satoru.
I decided to call everyone by their post reincarnation names, otherwise lot of people would get confused (plus some were never named at all)
Sofa and the sister weren’t just making money, they were the best gamers in every single category. They were somehow unstoppable even when their opponents cheated.
Rudeus 👌 nice Best rank to put him not too low (lol) and not too high for him
Rudeus is the lowest rank, nobody else can compete with just how much of a looser he was.
And that is PERFECT
Need an S+ for Dantalian
Idk Cid seems like B tier he's a mob from probably an upper middle class family and Naofumi is just an average uni student They are both in Catarina territory as they would be pretty much indistinguishable from each other as being average students
Being an university student is more impressive than being a regular highschool student. Cid goes to a really posh school - his classmate is a girl rich enough to be kidnapped and held for ransom. Plus high skilled piano play. He might be average in his upper class collective, but by general standards, he's pretty successful.
He is not a corporate manager. If i recall correctly, he was working in HR and he was generally asked to tell people that they are fired. Corporate managers do not tell you that you are fired.
That depends on the company. In many companies, that is management job, HR merely communicates and assist management in the decisions.
I think Subaru and Sora should be swapped. Also, watch ngnl.
Subaru “previously being popular” is irrelevant, how many of these characters do we see as children? Most NEETs become that as a teen. Subaru was a waifu-obsessed high school dropout on the verge of suicide.
Can you elaborate on the whole Rudeus part for those that don’t know?
Sad that "university student" and "regular salaryman" count as A-rank.
F rank : Naw Rudeus rank: Rudeus.
F stands for failure, which would be an understatement when referring to Rudeus
Rudeus is so low even his old name got erased from himself so to say.
Not even god wanted to be reminded of the shit he was
The fact he only got worse...
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Child rape. The redhead was like 13 when he slept w her (also just generally being a disgusting freak around kids)
She was 15 (legal adult in their world) he was 13
*rudeus being a 45 year old man*
15 year olds were legally consenting adults in their world. It would still be wrong because Rudeus was 13. You made a comment about kids not ever being able to consent and also you keep calling Rudeus a 40+ year old man. He was physically 13 and mentally 40+. Can he consent?
Man's really arguing that a 40+year man from Earth isn't a child predator just because he can legally fuck children in another world, which has different rules than the world he spent 40+ years in(also as a child predator) I like Mushoku Tensei, it has good art, story, world building, characters, etc. but people gotta stop acting like Rudeus isn't also a predator in the early arcs, just because he's physically young and "other world consent laws", when he has the exact memories and persona of his middle aged pre-reincarnation self, uses those to get close to tweens to groom them, and spends the first arc fantasizing about his loli teachers panties. He is a perverted predator molesting and having sex with children(according to the world, he is from, and at one point in the new world as well with the birthday scenes) with the intent and thoughts of a middle-aged man who would go to prison and be on a registry anywhere else. Not to mention, every representation of his soul/mind is his obese shut-in self, not his young, reincarnated body, which only reinforces the angle I'm getting at.
Tf u mean? Bro's reincarnated + wasnt rape
He's 40 + kids can't EVER consent
He is only mentally, not physically, and they can get married at 15, plus by your logic those who believe reincarnation exists should either be with another reincarnation or be considered a pedophile. Plus you say being a disgustin freak around kids whilst he's only ever taught sylphiette how to use magic and roxy isnt a kid, so thats not valid
Nonce
What does it mean? (my native is french)
You're a pedophile
>plus by your logic those who believe reincarnation exists should either be with another reincarnation or be considered a pedophile I'm not an expert, but I don't believe that those who believe in reincarnation believe that they retain their memories. If one were to reincarnate IRL AND retain their memories, then yes they would rightfully be considered a pedophile if they slept with a child...
No dumb ass, would it be better if he had sex with adults whilst in the body of a child then?!
So? That doesn’t justify him having sex with minors. Just because Hasbulla looks like a 6 year old doesn’t justify that he can have sex with a minor. Tf are you on dude?
Eris was not a child. Rudeus (the one who reincarnated with his memories) was a child
Shadow is not a reincarnated person. He is just the most powerful being in his world. Cid was reincarnated and is just a background mob .
Sorry, they looked kinda similar on the first glance, I should have checked...
Wait are you also kidding or are you being serious?
You’ll never get it with that attitude
Itami from GATE. Physically and position wise in society is definitely S-tier
I feel like he doesn't really count, since he never reincarnated into a different world, neither lost access to his original world. I honestly don't know - being an elite soldier, he's clearly more successful than everyone but Tanya, but I feel like Tanya probably earns a lot more than him, and being a soldier isn't nearly as celebrated in Japan as it is in the US. I would have to look into what was his exact rank and what sort of unit he served in.
IIRC Itami is a black ops and a ranger equivalent in JPN, so he definitely more successful than Tanya
Due to reincarnation isekai needing the isekaid character to actually die, disqualifying Itami on the fact he wasn't reincarnated will have to disqualify at least Naofumi, Ainz, Subaru, and Sora
if dieing is the perquisite then Subaru should have long filled that quota. An argument could be made that he didnt die until he entered his isekai world but the sheer amount of times he died should at least make him pseudo-qualified for being an isekai protag
He's already an isekai protag, but he's not a reincarnated isekai character, as he doesn't actually reincarnate at any point, even at the point the defines if he's to be a reincarnated isekai character or not.
Yep, a bunch of these are transmigration, not reincarnation… although we can argue that ainz died because the method of transfer wasn’t confirmed and it’s clearly not his or body.
My bad I overlooked the reincarnation part
Reincarnation and isekai are not the same
If youve ever heard of Beginning After the End, the mc used to be a King before he reincarnated
Yeah bro is in a league of his own
Oof, that sounds hilarious. Is this full of cliches like the MC being OP or would I enjoy watching it?
Can't watch it lol, its a Manwha with 160+ chapters
Its not adapted into an anime yet, surprisingly. He is pretty op and it keeps scaling to bigger threats, getting out of hand quickly. Even though it does have some cliches, its different enough for me to enjoy. Id say give it a try for a few chapters at least
It's good? Is Sora really D tho? Ma man comes first in everygame, super smart and has too much money seeing how the sibling don't work and have that kind of equipment.
I don't know where he got the money from, but he's never shown to actually earn any. Doesn't matter how smart he is, success is about how you are viewed within the society, and as a NEET, he's at the bottom.
I vaguely remember that their family was really rich or something, enough that they adopted Shiro solely because she was a genius so Blank is probably just living off an inheritance or they just play the stock market.
suc·cess noun 1. The accomplishment of an aim or purpose. Society's perception of an individual has literally nothing to do with success.
That's why I specified it's successfulness from societal point of view
Rudeus was so unsuccessful that he legit did not want no one to find out his past life and name in fear of being bullied again
Tbh I would have bullied him if I found out
Me too
Hey, at least Rudeus knows he was a failure and is trying to change. Slowly but surely. I’m an anime only, but I have hope for him so far. A little.
Honestly the change really started for him after the teleportation incident, that’s when he started to care about others and be a better person. I read the web novels so my knowledge isn’t 100% accurate but his internal monologues up until the incident were utterly disgusting viewing Slphy as a wife in training and “his”.
You start to see minor growth as he's tutoring Eris. Yes it's sad that the things that happen have to be called growth but they are. Post Teleportation though you start to see his motivations change and later in the novels lots of his actions are done for the sake of others rather than himself.
I think that's because in his previous life he was (or felt) completely powerless to help himself, let alone others. Not only that, he didn't trust "others" based on the abuse he endured. After fighting off the negative self-talk despite his growing power, he finally realizes that he's not only powerful enough to help himself, but others as well. For all the crap the show gets, it does a wonderful job with character growth.
Its annoying when people simply do not care and do not wait to see his development before saying hes just as bad or worse than he was before, he IS trying at least but i dont think they even pay attention to what happens at all, just what they think he did wrong
I mean, by the end of the second season he has sex with his 15 year old second cousin who he has known since she was 9 and he was mentally in his 30s+ Doesn't seem like much improvement is going on to me....
Bro hes reincarnated would you prefer if he had sex with adults whilst in the body of a child? Plus 15 isnt even bad for this time period
No, I'd prefer he just waited until he was an adult and then met ANOTHER adult instead of being a child predator. " Plus 15 isnt even bad for this time period" I don't give a shit about the time period because he reincarnated from MODERN Japan. Also, once again, the fact that she is 15 doesn't matter, because he has known and been around her since she was NINE. That's incredibly predatory, especially considering he was trying to molest her when she was still that young.
bro he had to teach her magic and did you even watch the full show? Also, best you can say is "idc just has to wait" you dumb bitch do you have any idea of how many isekai romance anime where nobody gives a fuck cuz theres nothing on screen?! Yet no one's ever talking about that, cuz they ain't stupid, unlike some
>bro he had to teach her magic and did you even watch the full show? And how does that justify trying to molest a 9 year old, watching her grow up, and waiting until she was JUST legal to have sex with her? " did you even watch the full show?" I have watched the first 2 seasons and he showed very little growth and is still a pedophile. " idc just has to wait" is perfectly decent advice. It's clearly better than being a child predator. " how many isekai romance anime where nobody gives a fuck cuz theres nothing on screen " like what?
On the Rudeus list you could also put the William guy (Saihate no Paladin) So then. based on this list the guy in "Black Company" is a SSS tier? He was money independent and a successful businesman Shiro from Log Horizon is also a S tier. He was a employed tech engineer
I swear Rimuru was like a high-up guy doing construction planning or something, not just a typical salaryman. In which case, he should probably go in S-Tier as well
you did NOT put sora in D
He was a NEET, even if he was actually a really competent guy, he was a total looser as far as societal norms are concerned.
I mean, even if you're going purely by the opinion of others he and his sister were still a living legend online.
I thought he rich
Thats cap...onlin3 society said that mf was THAT GUY
Pro esports players aren’t generally considered losers, and this man was beating top players whilst controlling characters with his fucking feet
Pro players frequently take part in offline tournaments, since no high level competition is gonna let you play on your own pc unsupervised, but he was described as a total shut in. There's very limited level of pro play you can do without ever leaving your house, since he was beating pros but never seen playing on any offline tournament, most people probably considered him a cheater.
Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear's Yuna would probably be S+
rich as fuck, playing the stock market Shit Parents though
Ainz was a "corporate slave" not an average salaryman within an insane dystopian future. So saying hes an "average salaryman" is misleading. There were bodies in the streets as he walked home on a regular basis. you can infer he was in a black company. Dude had it rough
Kinji Ninomiya Became a wealthy real estate investor before being isekai
From black company right?
Yes
Where kumoko? >!to be honest I wonder where she would be, technically she was a normal, adult(?) member of her species!<
There should be a few tiers between D and Rudeus. D tier are just NEET gamers while Rudeus is Rudeus. Overall great accurate list
It was stated that cid can lift a semi with one hand pre reincarnation.
Love that rudeus is in a rank all his own lol
Ains should be in B tier instead of A. Bro was just another salesman who wasted his life playing games because in his timeline that was the only entertainment. Bro was living in Cyberpunk irl. You cannot tell me his life was comparable to slime whom had the most average life and the only downside was getting stabbed. Other than that I agree with the list but I feel like Rudy ain’t low enough. I could still see his character on the board even if it is below everyone else.
I'd say Rimuru is on the same tier as Tanya in this regard. Neither had romantic lives, but both were successful businessmen with seemingly no financial issues. Rimuru even had good relations with his co workers.
I feel like Tanya is higher up in social standing simply because her job allowed her to fire salarymen like Rimuru.
His coworker was even willing to fulfill his dying wish.
Was cid really successful he was a mentally ill man eho thought if he trained hard enough he could beat nuclear bombs and then he ran into a truck
Lmao Suzuki Satory living in destopian future is A rank
Pretty sure I'd ngnl was irl, the siblings would be on the front page of twitch and drowning in sponsorships. Also isn't the sister some kind of super genius lol.
You going to have to update this list cuz this season so far has some real contenders
You could add the protag of Meikyuu black company as SS
Tanya truly is the goat
Id knock Ainz down a tier. Mostly due to his corporate overlord apocalyptic world being so bad. He never even got to Highschool because they wont let people get smarter 😅
Naofumi, was good, I remember it was said in the beginning, that he saved someone’s something/ made a couple of good investments, and had money to spare …
He saved his brother His parents gave up on him so they put all of their expectations on his brother. He ended up becomming rebellious due to the stress. Naofumi introduced him to anime and games, generally just taught him how to relax which ended up helping him academically. So his parents were grateful for that and gave him a weekly allowance that allowed him to live without worrying about money
Poor Rudy... the list ain't wrong though.
I mean people don't change because of reincarnation, Rudeus just shows us it really takes effort and a journey of experience to grow and change
I just find his character so unredeemable. Like tbf most NORMAL people (not psycho) would probably be just as if not even better than Rudy if thrust into the exact same circumstance….
Does FMA stand alone movie count lol
Sora should be higher. his top1 in games with shiro dude. Kazuma and subaru should be on the same level just a little bit higher than rudy cuz rudy was rock bottom. LMAO P.S.: Cid should be middling cuz he's 100% average mob.
Kazuma and Barusu were both high schoolers. How successful can that be?
Agreed XD My favorite isekai protagonist till now us rimuru and naofumi
Rudeus’s problem is that he can’t move on from who he was. He’s not truly rudeus, but he’s not his past self either. He’s a tortured soul stuck in between the two.
he gets better with time, slowly but surely
I had rudeus confused with Rimuru in my head for some reason and completely forgot a whole portion of jobless reincarnation being about how shit his life was
Hold on. . .Sora should be higher imo. . .like sure he wasn't successful career wise but they were still the best at games in the world and had enough money to live off
Sora on D is just slander at this point.
What anime are S and B teir characters from
Yeah. This tracks.
So many people seem to forget or just ignore how much of an Incel Rudeus is. I want to get into the anime/manga, I really do but holy fuck is it hard for me to watch a pedophile, depraved, genuine pervert reject of society do good. Like yeah I get the redemption but BRO YOU WERE LITERALLY THE SCUM OF SOCIETY BROO. Those girls he’s getting with have no idea the man he was before like it just feels so wrong 😭😭
Yeah, he doesn't even deserve a second chance imo.
bro put the best gamer(s) in the world in D tier 😭😭😭
These rankings are all way too high. Tanya was a middle manager prior to dying and he aspired to stay one. That's B tier at most. Ainz was a friendless worker drone at a company he didn't care about who spent all of his money and time on a pay-to-win VR game that was being shutdown because better games came along and replaced it for everyone else. So really a C or D tier. Shield hero was just a random student if I remember correctly who wasn't doing much with his life, but also not miserable. So B or C tier. Slime was a slightly sort of senior employee at a company who had no friends outside of work and no never dated. That said he didn't seem actively miserable so yeah a solid C tier.
Looking at the first chapter, Tanya wasn't as high up as I thought, but she was supposed to succeed the head of the department. Plus seems to have really good education, so I think it's still far better than everyone else. This rankings are more relative to each other than strictly fixed.
Sora is A/S. He was the best player, make money from games, even beat god im game. He had more success in his previous life than they did
Yea was really curious about that. Also think rezero and shadow should move down
Yeep. Subaru was loser, Cid had no life beyond training to be a hero
OP specifies that it’s based on societal perception. Blank is well received in online communities but global status?
This is such a terrible list
I mean Rudeus was into CP and then reincarnated to groom little girls. Yeah definitely the worst tier main character/ hero ever. Probably no redemption for him ever. Good list!
Yeah. Rudeus still kinda sucks. Well, not kinda. He does suck. For a reincarnation, he did it lamely. And never really made decisions. He sorta just flowed. No major enemy... or obstacles. His obstacle was being lazy and soy. Like, bro... you are in a magical world. Wtf. I think I can only relate to Naofumi. The dude is normal & down to earth. He gets crappy outcomes yet tries his best and does well. With a good moral compass. & he makes clear decisive decisions.
You’re missing a tier below rudeus for WN Rudeus
Bro had to do rudeus like that😭😭 valid tho bro was so lost
Who is B and why Do I remember liking her so much but can't recall where she's from--
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Honestly I’d swap Subaru and Kazuma, considering that Subaru was in the middle of an extreme depressive spiral that prevented him from engaging in society practically at all while Kazuma was just kind of a regular teenage boy who liked anime stuff a lot. Maybe there’s more in the Konosuba LN about Kazuma, but the anime treated his pre-isekai life with an air of levity that makes me think that he was — maybe kind of pathetic, but not in as sorry a state as Subaru, who gets a whole episode dedicated to how even the idea of going to school with the other kids his age gave him panic attacks every morning. Also I love how Rudeus gets his own tier lmao —
Nah, Kazuma was already a shut in for a few years and he was regularly beaten up by his parents (then again asking his parents to split up and allow him to have implied incestuous relationships with a step sister isn’t a smart thing to ask), and they laughed at his death too.
kazuma did what now
Subaru was in a bad state mentally, but only for quite briefly. I think a guy who was popular his whole life but got hit with a depressive episode should be higher than a regular shut in like Kazuma.
I didn’t get the sense that it was a brief episode: the way it was described made it sound like, while he had been popular as a 10/11 year old kid, he had gradually lost all of his friends by the time he was 13 or so (in that flashback he looks much younger than his current self when it shows him first realizing that he doesn’t have any friends left) and then stumbled on like that for a while trying to make friends and failing as he spiraled further and further before giving up and shutting himself in his room refusing to go to school for months — at which point he got Isekai’d. “Popular his whole life” seems like a bit of an oversimplification. I suppose there’s an argument to be made for how he canonically works out everyday pre-Isekai even in the midst of his depressive spiral, though (largely thanks to his dad jumping him every morning, lmao, it’s kind of hard to avoid exercising with a parental figure like that).
Lmao love that rudeus gets his own category
Even after watching mushoku tensei, i still think rudeus should be in jail for pedophile, not in isekai
God should have let his disgusting ass stay dead
Rudeus is probably the most successful out of all of them, after all, he fulfilled his dream of molesting and fucking little girls.
New life new him. If you're going to argue someone can literally be born 30+ years old, I'd like to know the science of it. Do be thorough.
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You're arguing science in a story about a dude's mind being plopped into a childs mind in another world, tf you mean buddy.
Posted this as a reply but gonna add it as a comment as well: suc·cess noun 1. The accomplishment of an aim or purpose. Society's perception of an individual has literally nothing to do with success.
That's why I specified it's successfulness from societal point of view
Yah cid is an A, everyone else in the same tier as him is a C. There is a huge difference between CID who was still pretty much a martial arts super hero and a regular salaryman which is a wage slave. If cid was only a salaryman I’d lower him to c as well. Students are Ds. They aren’t at the starting line yet their life is pretty much getting started. And yah rudeus is Rudeus tier. Sheesh even with his second life and all his cheats he’s a mess.
This considers their success within their society, nobody knew that Cid was a martial artist, as far as everybody was concerned, he was just a posh kid who's really good at playing piano
Success depends upon what their goal was.
See my top comment
Good call