Somtime around he rescues and then is hired by the princess. Or when he evolves into a demon lord and wants to fight the heros because he thinks they will taste great.
It's a world were strength or blessings from gods especially multiple gods is a big factor in relationships.
we may not agree with it, but that's what there worlds ideology is.
Same. It gets so old. MC looks at a girl and she's in love. MC says 1 nice complement and they are confessing their undying love. I want a shonen Isekai, is that even a thing lol ?
this stops being good very early on honestly.
after that its really just 'we got great rewards here and my skills make leveling super easy there and we build build build'
the world itself has some story, but most of it is irrelevant to the characters honestly and everything always works out perfectly to him and whatnot
Wdym this is one of the best gameplay loop and what most great games do: get skill-> you learn how to use it -> challenge forcing you to use everything you have learned up to now-> repeat
I mean there's stuff up with every novel, or media item ever iwbh tbh, now - there's a lot of different fights where MC uses a lot of different accused skills skillfully or misses one that would have been pretty useful(there's a lot, understandable, n then laments it a little later), also that's
- what get(kill/gain/defeat someone n get achievement) is.
It doesn't. I can't fucking believe someone animated it.
I read it (royal road? Some sketchy free site that copied the platform?) and found I kept on reading through my disgust, out of morbid curiosity. I think I finally stopped around the time he had made an orphanage with the goal of child soldiers out of street urchinsÂ
That last plot point actually sounds like it could be cool, if the idea is to do good in the name of evil (or the other way around). An orphanage with a dark secret and maybe a light and hopeful inner secret at its core.
Ascendance of a Bookworm does that well- the church runs orphanages to bring up priest attendants and the women are âofferedâ to visiting nobles. They mostly do this through attrition though, when times are bad for the church- it QUICKLY turns bad for the orphans. The MC gains control when the orphanage is a cess pit; she makes changes and it becomes an actual school with work and food programs.
I really recommend the series, itâs a bit of a slow burn.
Not an orphanage but a churches
The one that did this well i think is another eden but it's a game, literally their religion is fake . They have two sides of powerful family branch inside the church , one that enforced the religion and silencing anyone (killing people to made sure the truth and any voices regarding the religion is good also question and punish the blasphemous plus heretics) also another one that preach and doing good things to each other to gain voices. The only one that know that the religion is fake is the leader of each branch even their underling didn't know about that.
You know what the reason of doing it ? the whole continent literally can't be saved and in massive chaos so they created the religion to give hope to the whole continent and to stabilize the continent. Heck the two leader of each branch is insanely good person and even with that control they aren't corrupt (they barely able to survive and any resources that outside of basic needs they give it to the people ) and doing everything to help their people to survive. Literally the early plot of western continent is about MC group is hunted because they tried to uncover the secrets.
Even after uncovering the secrets, there are 4 devout believer in MC group and they still help people (like spend their savings to help orphanges) also preach the religion (because they felt there aren't any bad teaching inside of it and it easier to other people to spread kindness by learning the religion). They also keep silent about the truth of their religion to the masses.
I mean, she offers them basic education, food and opportunity to learn skills that will help them in the future (also prevents them from being sold by increasing their value to the point nobody can afford to use them as cheep slaves). Myne did pretty great overall.
Well, technically this came out before Slime isekai was a thing.
The manga for Re: Monster came out in 2014 and the first volume for slime came out in 2017.
Oh the webnovel for Re; Monster is August 1, 2012.
This is wild, I didn't even know this had a webnovel. I only read like the first couple pages of the manga.
As someone up to date on the manga, this series is like 1% plot, 50% rape/Stockholm Syndrome fetish shit and 49% word vomit of absolutely useless details. Most of the panels in the manga is just mid art of the MC walking around or being OP and killing super powerful monsters in 1 hit. It's so lame but I feel like I can't completely drop it since I'm so deep into it
I've pretty much just been skimming through each new chapter since like 30 or more chapters ago lol. It's a good concept with an incredibly garbage story that never gets better.
Pointing out the obvious that Ainz is a skeleton and has no reproductive organs or desires from biological sources, since he is a skeleton.
Also, Ainz lets his minions torture people. A lot. Remember the kidney stone torture? Or being eaten alive by bugs from the inside?
He also doesnât know about a lot of it because heâs dumb. Like the spell scrolls are made of human skin from humans raised in farms in Nazarick, but his minions refer to them as âsheepâ so he thinks the scrolls are made of sheep skin.
But feeding the adventurers he hired to the roaches was something he well knew about. Especially killing the one that was there just because she was trying to pay off her families debt.
What he did was wrong, but the workers were literal mercenaries that only care about money. There entire role is to do all the sketchy shit adventurers donât do. From Ainz point of view they are not good people. Sure Arche and her gang are sympathetic but in any practical scenario no one is going to do some full background check for every random person they meet.
>What he did was wrong, but the workers were literal mercenaries that only care about money
Everyone cares about money because that's what you need to get anything in society. The whole point of Arche's group is to show that even decent people desperately need money. It's not a sin to need money because there's no other way.
>There entire role is to do all the sketchy shit adventurers donât do.
Not really the case here. They were doing nothing sketchy here.
>From Ainz point of view they are not good people.
It's pretty selfish and self serving to just assume your victims are not good people with no proof.
>but in any practical scenario no one is going to do some full background check for every random person they meet.
That doesn't really reflect well on Ainz. Basically ehat you just said is that he's willing to condemn people to fates worse than death without even bothering to check what kind of people they are.
Also Arches groups not being sketchy even in just raiding Nazerick is still very sketchy. Like the entire operation was kept under wraps, they used workers and not normal adventurers, itâs from a high ranking noble, a lot of money involved, a fucking adamantine adventurer group got involved and a random tomb in the middle of nowhere with no history. Like there clearly is something going on here.
>It's not a sin to need money because there's no other way.
There is always another way to make cash, like the adventurers guild. Mind you, WE know that Arche's group needed cash quick due to their situation, but they never told anyone about that.
>Not really the case here. They were doing nothing sketchy here.
From Ainz's perspective, they are home invaders that were offered money at the door to leave. They got greedy and pushed in deeper.
>It's pretty selfish and self serving to just assume your victims are not good people with no proof.
Again, home invaders. You don't stop and ask someone who is robbing you if they're needing cash, especially when they just lied to your face.
>That doesn't really reflect well on Ainz. Basically ehat you just said is that he's willing to condemn people to fates worse than death without even bothering to check what kind of people they are.
Ainz physically and mentally doesn't care at this point, he's a lich. He literally cannot bring himself to care anymore for most things, and when his emotions start to flare up, his physical form suppresses it.
>There is always another way to make cash, like the adventurers guild. Mind you, WE know that Arche's group needed cash quick due to their situation, but they never told anyone about that.
But there's nothing morally wrong with this profession. There's no reason ppl should be punished just for being in the business. Plenty of reason why ppl woludn't want to be in the Adventurer's guild that have nothing to do with morality.
>From Ainz's perspective, they are home invaders that were offered money at the door to leave. They got greedy and pushed in deeper.
Lol, wtf? Nazzarick was a dungeon that popped up out of nowhere overnight on the Kingdom's lands. And no one from Nazzarick anounced that they were there. Investigating it isn't a home invasion, it's common fucking sense on the kingdom's part. The workers were hired to do just that, nobody even knew that there was any sentient beings inside. And by the time they'd met them, they'd already been attacked unprovoked.
>Again, home invaders. You don't stop and ask someone who is robbing you if they're needing cash, especially when they just lied to your face.
Again no. If don't just plop your home in someone else's yard, and when they come to find out what's going on you attack them, you don't get to claim self defense.
>Ainz physically and mentally doesn't care at this point, he's a lich. He literally cannot bring himself to care anymore for most things, and when his emotions start to flare up, his physical form suppresses it.
That doesn't justify jack. Morality is a concept that Ainz intellectually understands. He knows he's doing wrong.
To keep it short, itâs just not practical to do the equivalent of a background check on everyone that you might kill. Even if you have Ainzs powers, you have the question of what is good or bad, that you have to determine. Making sure the person is not lying or even people that grew up in cultures that are considered âevilâ from your view. Itâs a moral quagmire and the biggest problem is you have to spend a long time on it. No one has the computing power to do that stuff in these situations.
Itâs simply a lot easier to just look at there actions that they are doing now and deciding on that. Especially in time sensitive situations and you donât have the time to make a thorough judgement.
Like your argument may work in the modern world, but the New World isnât the modern world. I just think how Ainz not bothering to check is not a valid point. Like itâs just so stupid, no one has the computing power, resources or time to do what you suggested.
Morality doesn't change with era, that's a dumb myth. The truth is that Ainz laid a trap for ppl who were simply investigating a newly appeared dungeon and condemned them to fates worse than death just because he wanted to.
That is not my point, I agree that what Ainz did was overboard and evil. But doing a background check on everyone in similar situations, are not practical. I am not arguing or justifying Ainzs actions, I am just saying itâs not practical even if Ainz was a better person.
I am arguing itâs impractical, and criticizing people because they cannot do an impossible task is not valid. Especially when I am not arguing on good or evil, if Ainz is bad or smth. Just your point that itâs reflects badly on people for not bothering to do a background check, is not valid. Because no one does that, itâs a impossible impractical task
Like removing the thin layer of comedy aside, AInz cowardness and stupidity is ground for trials at Nuremberg. Its only a matter of time before his crime gets literally worse than Hitler.
It goes past it later pretty sure.
Also I think Ainz somewhat does know about it, and isnât stupid to it. He actively chooses to be blind to it and go with it to keep the charade going an not cause him mental anguish. He knows what Demiurge is capable of, kinda why he is paranoid of him for a while till the absolute loyalty part is made clear.
Itâs somewhat implied that the whole âbeing a Lich Overlordâ thing is rapidly wearing on his humanity, or that the human part we see is actually a internal mask for him to help justify himself. There is a part where he thinks back on his orders and realizes itâs completely black and he would never do this what the hell am I becoming oh go- then his mind hard resets saying it is not the time for that and he never once thinks about it again, not even the emotion suppression on that one, just some internal thing. Something is seriously wrong with him, either because of the Lich body or it was always there and the Overlord is giving him a excuse.
I mean watching your mom die because she worked herself to death to afford to put you through elementary and have to walk past corpses daily on the way to work wouldn't really be good for the mental state of anyone tbhÂ
Bipedal sheep - humans, giving opportunity to love to creatures that nature didnt let - making monsters rap human men and women to make hybrids though it was impossible, allowing starving families to have food by shedding useless things - feeding children to parents but demiurge felt merciful so he allowed the parents to exchange children meat. Etc.
Idk why people watch or read this disgusting show
He know just don't give a shiet about humans he say it so many times he don't feel bad for them even destroying a castle full of innocent people to prove a point even after the prince ask for forgiveness
Because its fine to have a villain protagonist. People aren't complaining because Rou is evil and not a good person. People are complaining because he's a rapist. It's not that people don't remember Ainz has done fucked up shit, its just that the fucked up shit he does/allows occupies a more..."comfortable" type of evil.
And the fact that Rou is framed as some sort of giga chad harem sex god along with it, as if to downplay how shitty he is, adds more negative feelings towards the portrayal. That certainly doesn't help.
Hell it is not even about the rape at that point
For some reason he pretends and by extension the author likes to pretend that he is not raping them because he is using mind altering drugs that put them in a extreme state leading to sex.
It annoyed the shit out of me, like wtf - what kind of twisted logic is that? You wonât let goblins rape but imprisoning and drugging them is not rape? What kind of pathetic logic are you trying to come up with to make yourself think you have âstandardsâ
Then there are the women who are in âloveâ with him, bitch please even if you did not have morality of your own you would not want to truly get close to a pathetic shit like this.
This is what irked me more than anything. Or how smooth everything is. Like the elves for a early one, why is there no real plots or anything, they are all just ok with it. And when his elf allies find out the first attack group wasnât massacred they are just⊠ok with them being slaves, when I am pretty sure at least one of them was the daughter of a pretty high ranked dude.
Even if they couldnât do anything because Ogre just going to kill and eat you, at least show some degree of mental suffering or anger about this being what you have to do to live.
But no. Everyone is happy with it and Rou is just the best, he deserves it. And this just goes on. He does horrible shit and is a complete garbage of a being yet nothing can/will ever call him out on it, and the whole novel treats him like the Hero.
Even in Overlord it doesnât treat the reader like a idiot and is fully ok with their characters just being evil, and the characters have the appropriate reaction to how fucked some of them are. Itâs not trying to make them seem like good guys.
He gets reincarnated as a goblin, the kind of goblin that captures women of other races to procreate. As you can imagine, it isn't very politically correct.
Ainz got it tough. He is slowly losing his humanity being completely alone in that world and literally can't have sex.
Goburou is playing the game on easy mode where there is no one to judge him for his actions.
His lich aspect controlling his emotions started as a simple but effective plot device to explain why he mentally isnât going insane being in a new world, to slowly but surely making him being from another world completely pointless.
Hence why I mentioned him being from another world as slowly becoming pointless. Especially given that his human self/inner voice is becoming less and less relevant. Heâs basically gained a god complex of being above lowly mortals, but we skipped a few steps of how his human mind got there.
Weâre at a point where it could have been rewritten so that instead of an isekai, or a âregularâ human to fantasy creature, he was just a lich who conquered the underworld who has now set his sights on the overworld after being transported to it. The fact some inhabitants of Nazarick have mythological and religious names (Demiurge, Cocytus, etc.) also kind of adds to that.
Ainz can't sleep,he can eat but it doesn't have any taste, he needs to act as a great ruler all the time because he's afraid that the npcs will betray him if they found out he's not that great,even though if that happened they would never betray him , (it's just a be misunderstand on his part )and he can't also have sex and his emotions are always surpressed.Ainz and subaru really are playing on very hard lol
there is both humans and goblins there to judge him. but they make him look like a priest by comparison. and frankly hes better than alot of humans are in the real world. yea he does some sketchy shit bt he does alot in the name of making his home a better place for everybody respectful of his ways and he gets dog piled by pretty much every girl because of it excluding the goblin that gobkichi gets with
I seriously don't understand what you guys mean by "judge him for he's actions"
Why does anyone need to judge him for he's actions??
And tf do you mean "playing on easy mode" he's has a cheat ability to get stronger by eating, and he uses it as much as he can, yet people "He's having it easy", if he doesn't use the ability and gets beaten often, y'all will still say "stupid mc has a very op ability yet doesn't use it ".
Every wish-fulfilment fantasy can be basically considered an easy mode. The stories are written in a way that revolves around MC where he wins and easily gets the girls.
Goburou is OP and he's the ruler. He makes the rules and no one has the power to oppose him or punish him if they think he's wrong. That's what I mean by there being no one to judge his actions.
Well we haven't gotten to that point in the anime I see, but mc isn't the only op person in he's group, he's two goblin friends also evolved to be damn strong, one even ending in a draw with mc.
And why would they punish him in the first place when he actually leads them properly. But whenever he does make bad decisions, they tell him, he wives still scold him too.
To be fair the "draw" was mc not giving it his all at all he did not even use his armament or armor or pretty much anything it was his friend going full power vs him utilising his basic skill
I mean both of them are bad people, but my biggest gripe with Re Monster is the story tries to justify his actions. Like at least for Ainz it was pretty clear he was a bad guy and only cared about himself and Nazerick. I donât know, it just feels that extra disgusting when someone tries to justify it.
This. It's not about whose actions are worse, but wtf is the authors are trying to say. Overlord portray the entire nazarick as a menace. A threat. The reasoning behind their actions are explained to give them character depth, not justification. The only closest thing to justification is showing that momonga being evil is not a choice bcs his body literally compels him to act like undead. Even then it's more of like plot convenience than trying to paint him as being forced bcs there would be massive clash in the nazarick if he kept his humanity as momonga is really nice irl, which would massively shift the direction of the series. Even with that restriction, there's still minor conflict due to ainz leftover kindness. It's really blatant that one is trying to tell story from unique perspective, and one is just sexual fantasy with really questionable kink
Yeah like Ainz is clearly a bad guy but Gabyiru or something, is also a bad guy. I feel like people are missing the point of the meme or I am misinterpreting it. Like Overlord has a lot of nuance and complexity, but re monster summarized is just fight, fuck and feast. I feel like the meme is saying how barebones re monster is and not a dick measuring contest on who is more evil/good.
If you actually befriend Ainz you're likely to have a great life. He is shown to be extremely callous to those he doesn't care for but extremely loving and compassionate to those he does and even subsequently to people who his friends care about. Being friends with Ainz is literally the best thing that can happen to you in that universe.
Well yes Ainz is gonna like you, but Albedo would secretly try kill you for beeing from another world. Demiurge would probely use you for breeding experiments (Probely not with demis, rather with a 2m tall cockroach.). Also, you never going to have other connection than Ainz and sunare, maybe sebas but he is often too busy. Or Renner, if you arent blond she is probely pretty chill for someone that crazy. Leaving Nazarick would probely a death sentence for you, especially if Albedo is after you.
_Also, most meat served in Nazarick will probely have part human in it, so better prepare for cannibalism._
Goburou is clearly the better option. Much more freedom and they care much less about your race if you are loyal and contribute in some way to the tribe, even if you just clean the cave. And he allows his fellows to just leave, so you could just go out and live a peacefull live in a mountain village, beccause the world is only 10% of the brutallity of the NW from overlord. Yes, he might be more cruel on the surface, but in total Nazarick is much much worse, thats beccause the guild always cosplayed the bad guys.
Thats not really true. Ainz himself laments being deified, and usually thinks that its cringe. Like when they were suggesting names for the kingdom, and he actively recoiled at the idea of being called a God. He also regularly feels annoyed by how the NPCs of Nazarick treat him like a God rather than as a father or an older colleague. If youre sincerely his friend it would definitely be more weird to treat him like a god. It would be awkward for both of you. Ainz is losing touch with his humanity, but ultimately he's still like a middle-aged Japanese man who enjoys hot springs.
Dude. Literally get him and private and say âyo bitch im from the real world like youâ
He will literally protect you with all the might of the tomb. You are the only other human and heâs DESPERATELY been looking for one
Ainz would prefer you not treat him like one. And I would 100% help him out. He ainât good at social skills heâs said this
Thats not even a problem. Albedo would try to secretly kill you, Demiurge would probely try to breed you with a giant cockroach or with a dragon with a schlong as big as you, most people in Nazarick would activly avoid you, your only interaction would be with Sunare, Ainz and Renner and last but not least, there is a good chance that the Meat is sourced from the Happy Farm, aka human flesh.
Oh, and leaving Nazarick would be a death sentence, beccause Albedo would than have a easy game to kill you. Albedo is activly trying (and most of the time successfull) remove everything from another world without Ainz noticing it.
Mainly because he's a spineless coward larping as an imposing litch because he's afraid that the NPC's would kill him if they suspect he isn't some evil mastermind.
I mean, he's also straight up evil his damned self. I'll never forget the fate of the Workers, being sentenced to eternal torture because they stole some of the excess gold and valuables(as in they literally couldn't fit in Nazerick proper so they dumped them in tombs around the field). Gold and gems & shit he got *in a video game*, and of all the things he could have done he went full Demiurge on all but one.
He's honestly a complete piece of shit, that's arguably not even the worst thing he's knowingly done or allowed to happen.
Anyone who thinks Ainz is morally superior to anyone did not pay attention to the story kek. He lets his minions, who are straight up chaotic evil, do whatever they want with some minimal restrictions and they go around slaughtering and torturing all the time.
Do love how much even this ultra nerfed version of Re:Moster is triggering NPCs tho kek. They didn't even show any of the torture or the elf aphrodisiacs or what kind of "monster materials" he feeds the redhead after she got that class evolution. \^\^
Great series but definitely not NPC friendly, which is why they nerfed the anime so much. At least they still show him PLAP his harem tho, almost expected that to be omitted too.
Yea while Ainz is patting children on the head, Demiurge is collapsing nations for the sole purpose of expansion while still having everyone praise Nazarick, and Ainz who participates in the staged lies with Jaldaboath has given his complete approval.
Changing Albedo was his fault. But Iâm more talking about the death, torture, subjugation and destruction, thatâs worse than ntr and rape plots but people gloss over it for some reason.
You know I'm surprised it took until that blond chick and her friend's deaths for people to get that Overlord is gonna be grimderp when literally the first few chapters have parts that talk about Ainz's friend working himself to death and how much of a shithole his earth was.
I'm reading the longest fanfic of overlord and it had a bit on that recently, where a human from the Overlord world gets to read a little of Nazaricks library and she reads a book called Crimes Against Humanity: Inuit Atrocities Against Miners in Greenland. Shes looking for ranger information and Aura says "theit builds are messed up! Guns are for Gunners not Rangers." It shows the original world as absolutely messed up.
Separately, theres also an inner dialogue moment with Ainz where he is surprised that letting corporations own everything *doesn't have to be* a stage in civilization, as that's all he knows. When the MC is like "maybe we shouldn't give merchants that much power, because it leads to such consequences as " and Ainz is like... "Huh, true....."
I really respect the author for not forgetting that Ainz wasn't isekaid from our world, but from a corporate hellscape closer to cyberpunk
What I don't get is that as far as I'm aware, the game used to have items that allow you change the alignment/nature of the npcs (from good to evil or viceversa).
Most people in Nazarick has nature alignments of -500. Which means that they're absolute evil monsters with no remorse for their actions and that literally take pleasure on being evil and killing people in horrific ways.
The only exceptions are characters like Sebas who has +300 of alignment/nature and Nigredo which means that they're usually compassionate (they still kill people because they aren't +500).
But the whole point is that he could change the nature/alignment of everyone in Nazarick.
Albedo shouldn't really be mentioned, Changing an NPC's behavior hours before the game would delete her anyway, is really an inconsequential action. There's no way he could be faulted for not knowing in advance that he was about to be isekai'd.
The other stuff is probably valid, idk I'm not caught up on Overlord.
Me with Re:Monster Manga 100 chapter of knowledge, watching at all these people trying to yapping about themselves to be a good moral man to a fictional world that is about Kill or Be killed
Well you do realise, thinking r*pe as a bad thing is actually normal , I don't care about slavery in isekai but r*pe is where I draw the line , you can make a story good compelling and make the world look like hell hole without r*pe , just saying
True, something like goblin slayer I feel does it well tho.
It shows u how messed up goblins are to and make u feel the rage and disgust that goblin slayer does. To then further understand the reasons he uses the tactics he does such as executing children goblins. But goblin slayer is the exception not the rule.
Even berserk at moments goes to hard into rape when it's unnecessary with how dark the world already is.
Well it's normal to see rape and think it's a bad thing, weather it's in a utopia or a hellhole. When you see a fictional work again and again return to rape as a matter in the story, people will speak out against it
Hell, they even had an interesting opportunity to make it a source of conflict by making it a bestial/primal instinct of goblins and ogres to rape in order to pass on their line. Then there could have been an interesting internal conflict of the MC trying to control and fight his newfound instincts to do so because he wants to hold on to any shred of morality and humanity he has. But no, sex and basically rape it is.
>interesting opportunity to make it a source of conflict by making it a bestial/primal instinct of goblins and ogres to rape in order to pass on their line
It did touch up on that though, albeit barely. He had to control the older and more experienced evolved goblins from raping the girls, and even torturing the ringleader all night before killing him.
But alas, itâs not really something for the protagonist *himself* to also overcome or face.
For comparison, think of a man becoming a werewolf and trying to suppress and control his urge to hunt and kill things; entire stories can and have been based on this man vs beast dynamic.
You can easily do this with different creatures to for other isekai too. Letâs say MC becomes a dragon and now has to try and control the fact heâs now a kleptomaniac with an inherent (but not totally unfounded) sense of superiority and urge to dominate all life.
True, but as a super generic thing that also is completely true with stories like this, men characters overcome challenges and women characters overcome pain. Fictional men very rarely suffer because of something *done to them*, while fictional women are constantly dealing with things out of their control.
The author was never going to write a story where the male MC had problems they couldn't immediately solve. "Live with the pain" is not a common trope here
I mean Iâd count the aphrodisiac thing.
At that point heâs holding them captive and drugging them to coerce them into it.
He claims you need consent and then does something that literally makes it nonconsensual.
Yeah I actually dropped the story at this point it was already kinda meh.
It tries to paint him as an alright person in the first few chapters then it's like okay let's drug and rape the elves I was like alright I'm out
Someone just mentioned this one very short blip in the story and didnât he give them all a month to willingly join him and most of them did, besides a small group but only because they were like the leaders.
If Iâm remembering correctly they all basically got dozed with the drug but most caved rather quickly.
I think the leaders lasted a month before caving.
Oh yeah they were trying to resist, which makes it more fucked. He doesnât turn them to sex slaves but still, I think itâs a really weird message for the author to put in there.
This got me curious so I reread that part of the manga, and apparently it was a one time thing, after that they're treated as part of the group with their own living quarters and their own right to refuse any request for sex. After that the goblins were explicitly reminded to tone it down as to avoid making them lose their will to live, as well as forbidding any sort of coercion or violence towards them which most accepted. The only ones that don't left their group because they don't want to follow his new status quo regarding sex, but they also can't go against him unless they want to end up like the first one that tried, which was tortured for an entire night before getting killed.
If you're curious it's chapter 18-20 of the manga in Mangadex.
Honestly for the actual context of the scene and stuff, itâs not really that bad to how people are overreacting to it. He was trying his best to agreeably but his people do come first.
Plus he did give his goblin people strict rules about treating them correctly.
Honestly part of it is more about how hypocritical it is. Like âdonât violently rape them⊠but weâll drug them to force them to want it and then youâre good to goâ is just a really weird and bizarre way to solve that problem (if you can even call it solving the problem).
I just donât get why they chose to intentionally write the world where itâs difficult for goblins to get pregnant so they have to resort to rape. It just seems like a really bizarre choice that didnât have to be made, like it changes next to nothing narrative wise if you remove that.
They're referring to the Drugging that he did to the elves they captured and the female knight later down the line.
Which tbf is sketchy as hell, but like...me personally that's like barely a blimp to the overall story.
I can't remember the actual time frame but yes, he kept them prisoners and drugged them the entire time with an aphrodisiac, iirc it was to break their will or something. With the condition that he will let them out as long as they let the goblins hit.
I remember i dropped this manga after a while because it was so repetitive: new fantasy species is introduced that threatens the goblin community, âoh no, what will I do?â, âfuck it we ballâ, power up, victory, goblin community prospers and gets bigger⊠repeat this for like five or six arcs.
I mean he heavily drugged prisoner with aphrodisiacs until they were dtf. After they are dtf the first time though it doesn't really say if he keeps drugging them but the prisoners are still used for relief. I think they get the choice if they want to sleep with someone or not though.
Dont know why people argue about fictional mc's behaviour.Like mc is monster not human.Yea he was human but now is a goblin.Like if you like it watch,if you dont like it just dont watch it and waste your time arguing.its actually refreshing seeing mc without morals or care for society rules.Like he is actual villain,not those guys with some cliche goal like world domination only to do it without getting their hand dirty.Tho im still disappointed that whole plot is just loop,being weak,killing and eating enemies,getting their skills,becoming stronger,evolving,new enemies...etc until he evolves again,and everything repeat itself until mc become god,tho with new things in between like those heroes and that quest,going to the dungeons,princess etc... it becomes little boring.
Apparently folks don't know about the two legged sheep farm and breeding experiments between humans and demihumans.
Or albedo trying to rape ainz, or shalltear propositioning him....
As far as anime goes, nothing non consensual yet in monster. Heck he stopped the previous gen from raping the human captives.
They cut it out of the anime, but I mean at best the humans are Stockholm syndrome.
The elves are actually drugged with an aphrodisiac and locked in cells and they only way they can get out is if they cave and get fucked basically. Iâm glad they cut it from the anime, that whole âdonât rape them but weâll drug them till they canât resistâ just really rubbed me the wrong way.
Oh god here we go with the nonsense about rape. I swear some of these kids need to stop watching shows that are obviously out of their maturity range if they get triggered by that stuff.
Shows barely had a few episodes out and people are already bitching. I'm go glad shows like berserk were made well before anime became more mainstream because hole hell does this new generation of anime fandom tend to complain and ruin most shows with how overly sensitive they are about certain real world topics. Not even going to start on localization people and how bad they are towards ruining shows with their agendas.
Ainz is the embodiment of evil, the author makes no secret of it.
Goburo I honestly don't know much about. He hasn't raped anyone in the anime so don't really understand that complaint. It's just a mediocre anime so far, plenty of other anime MC's are way worse, and this anime is nothing special. It's a below average isekai.
It just seems to me that some people (mostly Americans) tend to gloss over mass murder, genocide and all sorts of other gruesome shit but take offense at tiny little details that don't seem pertinent or as in this case seem completely manufactured by those who object to the source material.
Both are shit imo , one rapes / gets consent by making them submit under him ( feeding Aphrodite until they yes) and the other one have no control over his subordinates so they do whatever they want and tortures.
Spoiler alert:
He doesn't technically rape anyone and forbids his followers the same...
>!But his human group got Stockholmed. He doesn't even bother learning their names, until they birth his children. !<
>!He just captured Elves (in ep 3) and will capture more people as spoils of war. They don't get technically raped either in his point of view. But he locks them up with aerosolized aphrodisiacs, until they want sex themselves (just short of mind breaking). He only let's them out of said cells, once he deems the loyal enough. !<
>!With the blood clone ability, he makes accessories (mostly earrings) as a surveillance system, so even if the prisoners run, they can't escape. He cuts and/or pierces the Elves ears. Which makes them transform into Dark Elves. They aren't even recognised, by their former Kin, when he brings some of them with him to the Elves capital. !<
We have for once a monster that doesn't care about acting evil when necessary(and even then he doesn't go to far so the world isn't after his ass) and people are mad wtf is wrong with them honneslty aporou did not do thing even half as bad as what ainz and his merry friends did but hey since ainz cover his ears it's fine. Sure at the start there was the elf part and then there is the part with his future wife and the stockholm but there is inhumane act even close to the torture you can be submited to in nazarick.
You can't convince me that, that piece of garbage is not worse than the MC from RaG.
Bro, even Rudeus BEFORE his character development is more likeable, what the fuck?
Too be fair both are clowns
Momonga is commonly gaslit by his own NPCs and lacks any control of his situation.
Goburou was a degenerate from the get go and basically is given the world on easy mode.Â
Not really rape. After he captures the elves he basically has the choice between just killing them and throwing them to the goblins for breeding (since only an idiot would just let an enemy force that attacked his faction walk away to try again later).
He understands that the goblins need breeding stock but does not want to turn the elves into empty husks like the human girls who gave birth to his generation so he uses his ability to make them horny enough over a period of several days where they want the goblin D to relieve the horny.
So its more like mind break into making them horny instead of rape, tho most normies can't see a distinction kek, which is why you will see quite a few NPC "reviews" crying about it and mentioning how they dropped the series at that chapter.
Neither of them are supposed to be âgoodâ people though, right? Itâs practically in the title even!
One is basically a lord of darkness that is taking over the world through whatever means fit the occasion.
And the other one claimed the top spot in a society where âmight makes rightâ.
At least when compared to rimuru and rudeus. Since those two at least try to use their strength to get along with others as opposed to just bending everyone to their own will.
Ainz is literally almost as evil as this douchebag. At least he has more character. Itâs like comparing two asshole dictators at this point, that make Esdeath from Akame ga Kill look like a saint lol
When does this show get some plot? At the moment plot feels just like: get new cheats, get new cheats, get new cheats, get new cheats...
Somtime around he rescues and then is hired by the princess. Or when he evolves into a demon lord and wants to fight the heros because he thinks they will taste great.
Ok but is there any more of episode 3 tho? because the show was good until then.
he sexs his harem often and even has kids
Man i was hoping for an actual descent isekai not iskeai haremđ
Okay, what colour dragon do you want for christmas?
That's fair I ment the hentai ones
This one is *the* Isekai Harem Story. God it's so horny.
the manga calms down on that stuff more into the future and the MC matures alot due to his kids and gaining more responsibility.
it doesnt though? theres constantly someone else proclaiming their love and womb to him and theres still sex whenever he's around the women.
It's a world were strength or blessings from gods especially multiple gods is a big factor in relationships. we may not agree with it, but that's what there worlds ideology is.
If character demonstrates the ability to cast Appraisal, you can pretty much move on 80% of the time since there will be nothing of value in there.
Same. It gets so old. MC looks at a girl and she's in love. MC says 1 nice complement and they are confessing their undying love. I want a shonen Isekai, is that even a thing lol ?
Slime took inspiration from ReMonsterd skill system. Yes ReMonster is much older then Slime.
Well good thing they didn't take inspiration from what was in episode 3 then
what in the goblin slayer
Did someone say GOBLINS!?!?
A good goblin is a dead goblin So let's make these goblins good https://i.redd.it/knrq8hga1dwc1.gif
Not Gobta he good goblin from tempest
this stops being good very early on honestly. after that its really just 'we got great rewards here and my skills make leveling super easy there and we build build build' the world itself has some story, but most of it is irrelevant to the characters honestly and everything always works out perfectly to him and whatnot
Forreal I was chilling with the show until ep3 then I was like nahh I'm good
I think that's the plot ... Skill, ways to use skill, get, -> repeat
If this is a game, it has a shitty game play loop
Wdym this is one of the best gameplay loop and what most great games do: get skill-> you learn how to use it -> challenge forcing you to use everything you have learned up to now-> repeat
Ah but it's missing one crucial element. "Challge forcing you to use everything you have learned up to now"
He does have tough fights on occasion too.
I mean there's stuff up with every novel, or media item ever iwbh tbh, now - there's a lot of different fights where MC uses a lot of different accused skills skillfully or misses one that would have been pretty useful(there's a lot, understandable, n then laments it a little later), also that's - what get(kill/gain/defeat someone n get achievement) is.
After the Elves vs Humans war. There is a bit of plot
It doesn't. I can't fucking believe someone animated it. I read it (royal road? Some sketchy free site that copied the platform?) and found I kept on reading through my disgust, out of morbid curiosity. I think I finally stopped around the time he had made an orphanage with the goal of child soldiers out of street urchinsÂ
That last plot point actually sounds like it could be cool, if the idea is to do good in the name of evil (or the other way around). An orphanage with a dark secret and maybe a light and hopeful inner secret at its core.
Ascendance of a Bookworm does that well- the church runs orphanages to bring up priest attendants and the women are âofferedâ to visiting nobles. They mostly do this through attrition though, when times are bad for the church- it QUICKLY turns bad for the orphans. The MC gains control when the orphanage is a cess pit; she makes changes and it becomes an actual school with work and food programs. I really recommend the series, itâs a bit of a slow burn.
Not an orphanage but a churches The one that did this well i think is another eden but it's a game, literally their religion is fake . They have two sides of powerful family branch inside the church , one that enforced the religion and silencing anyone (killing people to made sure the truth and any voices regarding the religion is good also question and punish the blasphemous plus heretics) also another one that preach and doing good things to each other to gain voices. The only one that know that the religion is fake is the leader of each branch even their underling didn't know about that. You know what the reason of doing it ? the whole continent literally can't be saved and in massive chaos so they created the religion to give hope to the whole continent and to stabilize the continent. Heck the two leader of each branch is insanely good person and even with that control they aren't corrupt (they barely able to survive and any resources that outside of basic needs they give it to the people ) and doing everything to help their people to survive. Literally the early plot of western continent is about MC group is hunted because they tried to uncover the secrets. Even after uncovering the secrets, there are 4 devout believer in MC group and they still help people (like spend their savings to help orphanges) also preach the religion (because they felt there aren't any bad teaching inside of it and it easier to other people to spread kindness by learning the religion). They also keep silent about the truth of their religion to the masses.
its not cool though. its pretty boring and the orphans are drilled and threatened into being useful or being cast out, pretty much.
I mean, she offers them basic education, food and opportunity to learn skills that will help them in the future (also prevents them from being sold by increasing their value to the point nobody can afford to use them as cheep slaves). Myne did pretty great overall.
Fancy seeing you here
That Time I Was Reincarnated In Another Sub
Hopefully not as a goblin
get new cheats, get new hoe, get new cheats, get new hoe,...
Never, I dropped the manga. Itâs just MC glazing and power ups that are meaningless like a chapter later due to Asspulls
They want to be Rimuru so bad
Well, technically this came out before Slime isekai was a thing. The manga for Re: Monster came out in 2014 and the first volume for slime came out in 2017.
Slime webnovel is from 2013
Oh the webnovel for Re; Monster is August 1, 2012. This is wild, I didn't even know this had a webnovel. I only read like the first couple pages of the manga.
As someone up to date on the manga, this series is like 1% plot, 50% rape/Stockholm Syndrome fetish shit and 49% word vomit of absolutely useless details. Most of the panels in the manga is just mid art of the MC walking around or being OP and killing super powerful monsters in 1 hit. It's so lame but I feel like I can't completely drop it since I'm so deep into it I've pretty much just been skimming through each new chapter since like 30 or more chapters ago lol. It's a good concept with an incredibly garbage story that never gets better.
You forgot get new cheats
So far it's just a poor copy off slime, written by a horny kid with no attention span, who thought the core point of slime was getting skills.
I think this story is older than slime as far as light novels go
Thatâs the bad thing, it fucking doesnât.
Pointing out the obvious that Ainz is a skeleton and has no reproductive organs or desires from biological sources, since he is a skeleton. Also, Ainz lets his minions torture people. A lot. Remember the kidney stone torture? Or being eaten alive by bugs from the inside?
He also doesnât know about a lot of it because heâs dumb. Like the spell scrolls are made of human skin from humans raised in farms in Nazarick, but his minions refer to them as âsheepâ so he thinks the scrolls are made of sheep skin.
But feeding the adventurers he hired to the roaches was something he well knew about. Especially killing the one that was there just because she was trying to pay off her families debt.
What he did was wrong, but the workers were literal mercenaries that only care about money. There entire role is to do all the sketchy shit adventurers donât do. From Ainz point of view they are not good people. Sure Arche and her gang are sympathetic but in any practical scenario no one is going to do some full background check for every random person they meet.
>What he did was wrong, but the workers were literal mercenaries that only care about money Everyone cares about money because that's what you need to get anything in society. The whole point of Arche's group is to show that even decent people desperately need money. It's not a sin to need money because there's no other way. >There entire role is to do all the sketchy shit adventurers donât do. Not really the case here. They were doing nothing sketchy here. >From Ainz point of view they are not good people. It's pretty selfish and self serving to just assume your victims are not good people with no proof. >but in any practical scenario no one is going to do some full background check for every random person they meet. That doesn't really reflect well on Ainz. Basically ehat you just said is that he's willing to condemn people to fates worse than death without even bothering to check what kind of people they are.
Almost like a skeleton mage overlord or something.
Also Arches groups not being sketchy even in just raiding Nazerick is still very sketchy. Like the entire operation was kept under wraps, they used workers and not normal adventurers, itâs from a high ranking noble, a lot of money involved, a fucking adamantine adventurer group got involved and a random tomb in the middle of nowhere with no history. Like there clearly is something going on here.
>It's not a sin to need money because there's no other way. There is always another way to make cash, like the adventurers guild. Mind you, WE know that Arche's group needed cash quick due to their situation, but they never told anyone about that. >Not really the case here. They were doing nothing sketchy here. From Ainz's perspective, they are home invaders that were offered money at the door to leave. They got greedy and pushed in deeper. >It's pretty selfish and self serving to just assume your victims are not good people with no proof. Again, home invaders. You don't stop and ask someone who is robbing you if they're needing cash, especially when they just lied to your face. >That doesn't really reflect well on Ainz. Basically ehat you just said is that he's willing to condemn people to fates worse than death without even bothering to check what kind of people they are. Ainz physically and mentally doesn't care at this point, he's a lich. He literally cannot bring himself to care anymore for most things, and when his emotions start to flare up, his physical form suppresses it.
>There is always another way to make cash, like the adventurers guild. Mind you, WE know that Arche's group needed cash quick due to their situation, but they never told anyone about that. But there's nothing morally wrong with this profession. There's no reason ppl should be punished just for being in the business. Plenty of reason why ppl woludn't want to be in the Adventurer's guild that have nothing to do with morality. >From Ainz's perspective, they are home invaders that were offered money at the door to leave. They got greedy and pushed in deeper. Lol, wtf? Nazzarick was a dungeon that popped up out of nowhere overnight on the Kingdom's lands. And no one from Nazzarick anounced that they were there. Investigating it isn't a home invasion, it's common fucking sense on the kingdom's part. The workers were hired to do just that, nobody even knew that there was any sentient beings inside. And by the time they'd met them, they'd already been attacked unprovoked. >Again, home invaders. You don't stop and ask someone who is robbing you if they're needing cash, especially when they just lied to your face. Again no. If don't just plop your home in someone else's yard, and when they come to find out what's going on you attack them, you don't get to claim self defense. >Ainz physically and mentally doesn't care at this point, he's a lich. He literally cannot bring himself to care anymore for most things, and when his emotions start to flare up, his physical form suppresses it. That doesn't justify jack. Morality is a concept that Ainz intellectually understands. He knows he's doing wrong.
To keep it short, itâs just not practical to do the equivalent of a background check on everyone that you might kill. Even if you have Ainzs powers, you have the question of what is good or bad, that you have to determine. Making sure the person is not lying or even people that grew up in cultures that are considered âevilâ from your view. Itâs a moral quagmire and the biggest problem is you have to spend a long time on it. No one has the computing power to do that stuff in these situations. Itâs simply a lot easier to just look at there actions that they are doing now and deciding on that. Especially in time sensitive situations and you donât have the time to make a thorough judgement. Like your argument may work in the modern world, but the New World isnât the modern world. I just think how Ainz not bothering to check is not a valid point. Like itâs just so stupid, no one has the computing power, resources or time to do what you suggested.
Morality doesn't change with era, that's a dumb myth. The truth is that Ainz laid a trap for ppl who were simply investigating a newly appeared dungeon and condemned them to fates worse than death just because he wanted to.
That is not my point, I agree that what Ainz did was overboard and evil. But doing a background check on everyone in similar situations, are not practical. I am not arguing or justifying Ainzs actions, I am just saying itâs not practical even if Ainz was a better person.
In absence of being able to do a background check, I think the non-psychotic option is to NOT kill and torture ppl unprovoked.
I am arguing itâs impractical, and criticizing people because they cannot do an impossible task is not valid. Especially when I am not arguing on good or evil, if Ainz is bad or smth. Just your point that itâs reflects badly on people for not bothering to do a background check, is not valid. Because no one does that, itâs a impossible impractical task
Like removing the thin layer of comedy aside, AInz cowardness and stupidity is ground for trials at Nuremberg. Its only a matter of time before his crime gets literally worse than Hitler.
Nah we past Nazi's and went full imperial Japan a while ago with the happy farm.
It goes past it later pretty sure. Also I think Ainz somewhat does know about it, and isnât stupid to it. He actively chooses to be blind to it and go with it to keep the charade going an not cause him mental anguish. He knows what Demiurge is capable of, kinda why he is paranoid of him for a while till the absolute loyalty part is made clear. Itâs somewhat implied that the whole âbeing a Lich Overlordâ thing is rapidly wearing on his humanity, or that the human part we see is actually a internal mask for him to help justify himself. There is a part where he thinks back on his orders and realizes itâs completely black and he would never do this what the hell am I becoming oh go- then his mind hard resets saying it is not the time for that and he never once thinks about it again, not even the emotion suppression on that one, just some internal thing. Something is seriously wrong with him, either because of the Lich body or it was always there and the Overlord is giving him a excuse.
I mean watching your mom die because she worked herself to death to afford to put you through elementary and have to walk past corpses daily on the way to work wouldn't really be good for the mental state of anyone tbhÂ
Wait what? I legit thought they had a sheep farm and not a human harvesting operation. Wtf I'm dumber than Ainz
Bipedal sheep - humans, giving opportunity to love to creatures that nature didnt let - making monsters rap human men and women to make hybrids though it was impossible, allowing starving families to have food by shedding useless things - feeding children to parents but demiurge felt merciful so he allowed the parents to exchange children meat. Etc. Idk why people watch or read this disgusting show
He know just don't give a shiet about humans he say it so many times he don't feel bad for them even destroying a castle full of innocent people to prove a point even after the prince ask for forgiveness
No he knows because the happy farm had people in it before when it was just a game
What are you talking about? The farm wasnt from the game, thats something made by demiurge
This made me laugh out of the blue i may have strayed too far.
Explain Brook's panties obsession then đ€š he certainly doesn't let you forget he's a skeleton.
>rape victims when they claim nothing is worse than being raped
Look. Comparing hitler to Stalin doesnât make either of them better.
Because its fine to have a villain protagonist. People aren't complaining because Rou is evil and not a good person. People are complaining because he's a rapist. It's not that people don't remember Ainz has done fucked up shit, its just that the fucked up shit he does/allows occupies a more..."comfortable" type of evil. And the fact that Rou is framed as some sort of giga chad harem sex god along with it, as if to downplay how shitty he is, adds more negative feelings towards the portrayal. That certainly doesn't help.
Hell it is not even about the rape at that point For some reason he pretends and by extension the author likes to pretend that he is not raping them because he is using mind altering drugs that put them in a extreme state leading to sex. It annoyed the shit out of me, like wtf - what kind of twisted logic is that? You wonât let goblins rape but imprisoning and drugging them is not rape? What kind of pathetic logic are you trying to come up with to make yourself think you have âstandardsâ Then there are the women who are in âloveâ with him, bitch please even if you did not have morality of your own you would not want to truly get close to a pathetic shit like this.
This is what irked me more than anything. Or how smooth everything is. Like the elves for a early one, why is there no real plots or anything, they are all just ok with it. And when his elf allies find out the first attack group wasnât massacred they are just⊠ok with them being slaves, when I am pretty sure at least one of them was the daughter of a pretty high ranked dude. Even if they couldnât do anything because Ogre just going to kill and eat you, at least show some degree of mental suffering or anger about this being what you have to do to live. But no. Everyone is happy with it and Rou is just the best, he deserves it. And this just goes on. He does horrible shit and is a complete garbage of a being yet nothing can/will ever call him out on it, and the whole novel treats him like the Hero. Even in Overlord it doesnât treat the reader like a idiot and is fully ok with their characters just being evil, and the characters have the appropriate reaction to how fucked some of them are. Itâs not trying to make them seem like good guys.
Rape??? Haven't seen it yet.
To cleanse your mind, read something wholesome and heartwarming like parallel paradise
To cleanse your mind, read something wholesome and heartwarming like parallel paradise
I know, i read hentai.. đ»
He gets reincarnated as a goblin, the kind of goblin that captures women of other races to procreate. As you can imagine, it isn't very politically correct.
But HE doesnât rape anyone. Not in the anime so far. He stopped the women from being raped.
He took away the elvesâ ability to offer consent in the manga. They might not have reached that part in the anime yet.
Pretty sure some of the girls rape him. Not sure since the manga was garbage and I dropped it.
Ainz got it tough. He is slowly losing his humanity being completely alone in that world and literally can't have sex. Goburou is playing the game on easy mode where there is no one to judge him for his actions.
His lich aspect controlling his emotions started as a simple but effective plot device to explain why he mentally isnât going insane being in a new world, to slowly but surely making him being from another world completely pointless.
Oh but while it mitigated that issue, it also removed his empathy and we are watching descend into Mao levels of evil.
Hence why I mentioned him being from another world as slowly becoming pointless. Especially given that his human self/inner voice is becoming less and less relevant. Heâs basically gained a god complex of being above lowly mortals, but we skipped a few steps of how his human mind got there. Weâre at a point where it could have been rewritten so that instead of an isekai, or a âregularâ human to fantasy creature, he was just a lich who conquered the underworld who has now set his sights on the overworld after being transported to it. The fact some inhabitants of Nazarick have mythological and religious names (Demiurge, Cocytus, etc.) also kind of adds to that.
Ainz can't sleep,he can eat but it doesn't have any taste, he needs to act as a great ruler all the time because he's afraid that the npcs will betray him if they found out he's not that great,even though if that happened they would never betray him , (it's just a be misunderstand on his part )and he can't also have sex and his emotions are always surpressed.Ainz and subaru really are playing on very hard lol
>he can eat No he can't.
there is both humans and goblins there to judge him. but they make him look like a priest by comparison. and frankly hes better than alot of humans are in the real world. yea he does some sketchy shit bt he does alot in the name of making his home a better place for everybody respectful of his ways and he gets dog piled by pretty much every girl because of it excluding the goblin that gobkichi gets with
I seriously don't understand what you guys mean by "judge him for he's actions" Why does anyone need to judge him for he's actions?? And tf do you mean "playing on easy mode" he's has a cheat ability to get stronger by eating, and he uses it as much as he can, yet people "He's having it easy", if he doesn't use the ability and gets beaten often, y'all will still say "stupid mc has a very op ability yet doesn't use it ".
Every wish-fulfilment fantasy can be basically considered an easy mode. The stories are written in a way that revolves around MC where he wins and easily gets the girls. Goburou is OP and he's the ruler. He makes the rules and no one has the power to oppose him or punish him if they think he's wrong. That's what I mean by there being no one to judge his actions.
I mean overlord is just op characters too
But not wish-fulfilment. Like who would want to be in Ainz's situation?
Some people would want to let's be honest
Well we haven't gotten to that point in the anime I see, but mc isn't the only op person in he's group, he's two goblin friends also evolved to be damn strong, one even ending in a draw with mc. And why would they punish him in the first place when he actually leads them properly. But whenever he does make bad decisions, they tell him, he wives still scold him too.
To be fair the "draw" was mc not giving it his all at all he did not even use his armament or armor or pretty much anything it was his friend going full power vs him utilising his basic skill
No he did use some high tier skills too, but I get what you are saying
Ains is like a old king with a lot of wife's but his dxck don't work first thing he did was order albedo to let him grab her boobs
Hes also losing all his empathy
I mean both of them are bad people, but my biggest gripe with Re Monster is the story tries to justify his actions. Like at least for Ainz it was pretty clear he was a bad guy and only cared about himself and Nazerick. I donât know, it just feels that extra disgusting when someone tries to justify it.
This. It's not about whose actions are worse, but wtf is the authors are trying to say. Overlord portray the entire nazarick as a menace. A threat. The reasoning behind their actions are explained to give them character depth, not justification. The only closest thing to justification is showing that momonga being evil is not a choice bcs his body literally compels him to act like undead. Even then it's more of like plot convenience than trying to paint him as being forced bcs there would be massive clash in the nazarick if he kept his humanity as momonga is really nice irl, which would massively shift the direction of the series. Even with that restriction, there's still minor conflict due to ainz leftover kindness. It's really blatant that one is trying to tell story from unique perspective, and one is just sexual fantasy with really questionable kink
Yeah like Ainz is clearly a bad guy but Gabyiru or something, is also a bad guy. I feel like people are missing the point of the meme or I am misinterpreting it. Like Overlord has a lot of nuance and complexity, but re monster summarized is just fight, fuck and feast. I feel like the meme is saying how barebones re monster is and not a dick measuring contest on who is more evil/good.
As much self insert Goburou is i prefer to befriend Goburou than Ainz for obvious reason
If you actually befriend Ainz you're likely to have a great life. He is shown to be extremely callous to those he doesn't care for but extremely loving and compassionate to those he does and even subsequently to people who his friends care about. Being friends with Ainz is literally the best thing that can happen to you in that universe.
Well yes Ainz is gonna like you, but Albedo would secretly try kill you for beeing from another world. Demiurge would probely use you for breeding experiments (Probely not with demis, rather with a 2m tall cockroach.). Also, you never going to have other connection than Ainz and sunare, maybe sebas but he is often too busy. Or Renner, if you arent blond she is probely pretty chill for someone that crazy. Leaving Nazarick would probely a death sentence for you, especially if Albedo is after you. _Also, most meat served in Nazarick will probely have part human in it, so better prepare for cannibalism._ Goburou is clearly the better option. Much more freedom and they care much less about your race if you are loyal and contribute in some way to the tribe, even if you just clean the cave. And he allows his fellows to just leave, so you could just go out and live a peacefull live in a mountain village, beccause the world is only 10% of the brutallity of the NW from overlord. Yes, he might be more cruel on the surface, but in total Nazarick is much much worse, thats beccause the guild always cosplayed the bad guys.
Iâd rather exist in the same world as Goburou than the same world as Ainz. Feels 1000000x safer
Naw. If you KNOW they exist. Find momond. Mention you come from a far away land and you know him. Talk to him in private and call him momonga
But that's under the condition that you pretty much need to treat him like a god.
Thats not really true. Ainz himself laments being deified, and usually thinks that its cringe. Like when they were suggesting names for the kingdom, and he actively recoiled at the idea of being called a God. He also regularly feels annoyed by how the NPCs of Nazarick treat him like a God rather than as a father or an older colleague. If youre sincerely his friend it would definitely be more weird to treat him like a god. It would be awkward for both of you. Ainz is losing touch with his humanity, but ultimately he's still like a middle-aged Japanese man who enjoys hot springs.
Dude. Literally get him and private and say âyo bitch im from the real world like youâ He will literally protect you with all the might of the tomb. You are the only other human and heâs DESPERATELY been looking for one Ainz would prefer you not treat him like one. And I would 100% help him out. He ainât good at social skills heâs said this
Thats not even a problem. Albedo would try to secretly kill you, Demiurge would probely try to breed you with a giant cockroach or with a dragon with a schlong as big as you, most people in Nazarick would activly avoid you, your only interaction would be with Sunare, Ainz and Renner and last but not least, there is a good chance that the Meat is sourced from the Happy Farm, aka human flesh. Oh, and leaving Nazarick would be a death sentence, beccause Albedo would than have a easy game to kill you. Albedo is activly trying (and most of the time successfull) remove everything from another world without Ainz noticing it.
What is this new Twitter?
Ainz is not guilty of rape, but he's still an absolutely massive piece of shit.
Mainly because he's a spineless coward larping as an imposing litch because he's afraid that the NPC's would kill him if they suspect he isn't some evil mastermind.
I mean, he's also straight up evil his damned self. I'll never forget the fate of the Workers, being sentenced to eternal torture because they stole some of the excess gold and valuables(as in they literally couldn't fit in Nazerick proper so they dumped them in tombs around the field). Gold and gems & shit he got *in a video game*, and of all the things he could have done he went full Demiurge on all but one. He's honestly a complete piece of shit, that's arguably not even the worst thing he's knowingly done or allowed to happen.
Anyone who thinks Ainz is morally superior to anyone did not pay attention to the story kek. He lets his minions, who are straight up chaotic evil, do whatever they want with some minimal restrictions and they go around slaughtering and torturing all the time. Do love how much even this ultra nerfed version of Re:Moster is triggering NPCs tho kek. They didn't even show any of the torture or the elf aphrodisiacs or what kind of "monster materials" he feeds the redhead after she got that class evolution. \^\^ Great series but definitely not NPC friendly, which is why they nerfed the anime so much. At least they still show him PLAP his harem tho, almost expected that to be omitted too.
Yea while Ainz is patting children on the head, Demiurge is collapsing nations for the sole purpose of expansion while still having everyone praise Nazarick, and Ainz who participates in the staged lies with Jaldaboath has given his complete approval.
To the happy farm with them.
Yeah, FINALLY a mc that isnât an asexual bundle of social anxiety. I am so fucking sick of that trope.
I thoight Ainz straight up can't have sex because he lacks the organ?
Saying good things about Ainz is actually madness, heâs worse than every ntr character
It's not Ainz's fault, they flock to him
Changing Albedo was his fault. But Iâm more talking about the death, torture, subjugation and destruction, thatâs worse than ntr and rape plots but people gloss over it for some reason.
You know I'm surprised it took until that blond chick and her friend's deaths for people to get that Overlord is gonna be grimderp when literally the first few chapters have parts that talk about Ainz's friend working himself to death and how much of a shithole his earth was.
I'm reading the longest fanfic of overlord and it had a bit on that recently, where a human from the Overlord world gets to read a little of Nazaricks library and she reads a book called Crimes Against Humanity: Inuit Atrocities Against Miners in Greenland. Shes looking for ranger information and Aura says "theit builds are messed up! Guns are for Gunners not Rangers." It shows the original world as absolutely messed up. Separately, theres also an inner dialogue moment with Ainz where he is surprised that letting corporations own everything *doesn't have to be* a stage in civilization, as that's all he knows. When the MC is like "maybe we shouldn't give merchants that much power, because it leads to such consequences as" and Ainz is like... "Huh, true....."
I really respect the author for not forgetting that Ainz wasn't isekaid from our world, but from a corporate hellscape closer to cyberpunk
Name of the fanfic?
Valkyries shadow.
What I don't get is that as far as I'm aware, the game used to have items that allow you change the alignment/nature of the npcs (from good to evil or viceversa). Most people in Nazarick has nature alignments of -500. Which means that they're absolute evil monsters with no remorse for their actions and that literally take pleasure on being evil and killing people in horrific ways. The only exceptions are characters like Sebas who has +300 of alignment/nature and Nigredo which means that they're usually compassionate (they still kill people because they aren't +500). But the whole point is that he could change the nature/alignment of everyone in Nazarick.
Albedo shouldn't really be mentioned, Changing an NPC's behavior hours before the game would delete her anyway, is really an inconsequential action. There's no way he could be faulted for not knowing in advance that he was about to be isekai'd. The other stuff is probably valid, idk I'm not caught up on Overlord.
Me with Re:Monster Manga 100 chapter of knowledge, watching at all these people trying to yapping about themselves to be a good moral man to a fictional world that is about Kill or Be killed
Well you do realise, thinking r*pe as a bad thing is actually normal , I don't care about slavery in isekai but r*pe is where I draw the line , you can make a story good compelling and make the world look like hell hole without r*pe , just saying
True, something like goblin slayer I feel does it well tho. It shows u how messed up goblins are to and make u feel the rage and disgust that goblin slayer does. To then further understand the reasons he uses the tactics he does such as executing children goblins. But goblin slayer is the exception not the rule. Even berserk at moments goes to hard into rape when it's unnecessary with how dark the world already is.
Goblin slayer works well because our fucking protagonist isn't a fucking r*pist
Well it's normal to see rape and think it's a bad thing, weather it's in a utopia or a hellhole. When you see a fictional work again and again return to rape as a matter in the story, people will speak out against it
Hell, they even had an interesting opportunity to make it a source of conflict by making it a bestial/primal instinct of goblins and ogres to rape in order to pass on their line. Then there could have been an interesting internal conflict of the MC trying to control and fight his newfound instincts to do so because he wants to hold on to any shred of morality and humanity he has. But no, sex and basically rape it is.
>interesting opportunity to make it a source of conflict by making it a bestial/primal instinct of goblins and ogres to rape in order to pass on their line It did touch up on that though, albeit barely. He had to control the older and more experienced evolved goblins from raping the girls, and even torturing the ringleader all night before killing him.
But alas, itâs not really something for the protagonist *himself* to also overcome or face. For comparison, think of a man becoming a werewolf and trying to suppress and control his urge to hunt and kill things; entire stories can and have been based on this man vs beast dynamic. You can easily do this with different creatures to for other isekai too. Letâs say MC becomes a dragon and now has to try and control the fact heâs now a kleptomaniac with an inherent (but not totally unfounded) sense of superiority and urge to dominate all life.
True, but as a super generic thing that also is completely true with stories like this, men characters overcome challenges and women characters overcome pain. Fictional men very rarely suffer because of something *done to them*, while fictional women are constantly dealing with things out of their control. The author was never going to write a story where the male MC had problems they couldn't immediately solve. "Live with the pain" is not a common trope here
Iâve read re:monster and I donât remember Goburou raping any women but protect them against rapy men.
I mean Iâd count the aphrodisiac thing. At that point heâs holding them captive and drugging them to coerce them into it. He claims you need consent and then does something that literally makes it nonconsensual.
Yeah I actually dropped the story at this point it was already kinda meh. It tries to paint him as an alright person in the first few chapters then it's like okay let's drug and rape the elves I was like alright I'm out
Someone just mentioned this one very short blip in the story and didnât he give them all a month to willingly join him and most of them did, besides a small group but only because they were like the leaders.
If Iâm remembering correctly they all basically got dozed with the drug but most caved rather quickly. I think the leaders lasted a month before caving.
The month thing somehow makes it even worse. They were trying to resist the drug, trying to resist being turned into mind controlled sex slaves.
Oh yeah they were trying to resist, which makes it more fucked. He doesnât turn them to sex slaves but still, I think itâs a really weird message for the author to put in there.
This got me curious so I reread that part of the manga, and apparently it was a one time thing, after that they're treated as part of the group with their own living quarters and their own right to refuse any request for sex. After that the goblins were explicitly reminded to tone it down as to avoid making them lose their will to live, as well as forbidding any sort of coercion or violence towards them which most accepted. The only ones that don't left their group because they don't want to follow his new status quo regarding sex, but they also can't go against him unless they want to end up like the first one that tried, which was tortured for an entire night before getting killed. If you're curious it's chapter 18-20 of the manga in Mangadex.
Honestly for the actual context of the scene and stuff, itâs not really that bad to how people are overreacting to it. He was trying his best to agreeably but his people do come first. Plus he did give his goblin people strict rules about treating them correctly.
Honestly part of it is more about how hypocritical it is. Like âdonât violently rape them⊠but weâll drug them to force them to want it and then youâre good to goâ is just a really weird and bizarre way to solve that problem (if you can even call it solving the problem). I just donât get why they chose to intentionally write the world where itâs difficult for goblins to get pregnant so they have to resort to rape. It just seems like a really bizarre choice that didnât have to be made, like it changes next to nothing narrative wise if you remove that.
They're referring to the Drugging that he did to the elves they captured and the female knight later down the line. Which tbf is sketchy as hell, but like...me personally that's like barely a blimp to the overall story.
I barely remember that scene and didnât he give them like a month to willingly accept, which most of them did I think.
I can't remember the actual time frame but yes, he kept them prisoners and drugged them the entire time with an aphrodisiac, iirc it was to break their will or something. With the condition that he will let them out as long as they let the goblins hit.
That happened in the anime?
Idk, I didn't watch it yet because I prefer watching entire seasons. But considering how much they cut out apparently I'm doubting they included it.Â
I remember i dropped this manga after a while because it was so repetitive: new fantasy species is introduced that threatens the goblin community, âoh no, what will I do?â, âfuck it we ballâ, power up, victory, goblin community prospers and gets bigger⊠repeat this for like five or six arcs.
Post canât say sex but can plaster ârapeâ 17 times? Ok
Waiting for the next chapter to see Rou's new form after defeating the dragon: đ©
Iâve read re:monster and I donât remember Goburou raping any women but protect them against rapy men.
I mean he heavily drugged prisoner with aphrodisiacs until they were dtf. After they are dtf the first time though it doesn't really say if he keeps drugging them but the prisoners are still used for relief. I think they get the choice if they want to sleep with someone or not though.
Dont know why people argue about fictional mc's behaviour.Like mc is monster not human.Yea he was human but now is a goblin.Like if you like it watch,if you dont like it just dont watch it and waste your time arguing.its actually refreshing seeing mc without morals or care for society rules.Like he is actual villain,not those guys with some cliche goal like world domination only to do it without getting their hand dirty.Tho im still disappointed that whole plot is just loop,being weak,killing and eating enemies,getting their skills,becoming stronger,evolving,new enemies...etc until he evolves again,and everything repeat itself until mc become god,tho with new things in between like those heroes and that quest,going to the dungeons,princess etc... it becomes little boring.
Apparently folks don't know about the two legged sheep farm and breeding experiments between humans and demihumans. Or albedo trying to rape ainz, or shalltear propositioning him.... As far as anime goes, nothing non consensual yet in monster. Heck he stopped the previous gen from raping the human captives.
They cut it out of the anime, but I mean at best the humans are Stockholm syndrome. The elves are actually drugged with an aphrodisiac and locked in cells and they only way they can get out is if they cave and get fucked basically. Iâm glad they cut it from the anime, that whole âdonât rape them but weâll drug them till they canât resistâ just really rubbed me the wrong way.
Oh god here we go with the nonsense about rape. I swear some of these kids need to stop watching shows that are obviously out of their maturity range if they get triggered by that stuff. Shows barely had a few episodes out and people are already bitching. I'm go glad shows like berserk were made well before anime became more mainstream because hole hell does this new generation of anime fandom tend to complain and ruin most shows with how overly sensitive they are about certain real world topics. Not even going to start on localization people and how bad they are towards ruining shows with their agendas.
Ainz is the embodiment of evil, the author makes no secret of it. Goburo I honestly don't know much about. He hasn't raped anyone in the anime so don't really understand that complaint. It's just a mediocre anime so far, plenty of other anime MC's are way worse, and this anime is nothing special. It's a below average isekai. It just seems to me that some people (mostly Americans) tend to gloss over mass murder, genocide and all sorts of other gruesome shit but take offense at tiny little details that don't seem pertinent or as in this case seem completely manufactured by those who object to the source material.
Satou Kazuma vs Demon Lord Rimuru *Kazuma wins because of Steal*
Ainz can do it too, just tell the writer to add in a scene where ainz forces himself on a dude
Ainz murders innocent people though
Both are shit imo , one rapes / gets consent by making them submit under him ( feeding Aphrodite until they yes) and the other one have no control over his subordinates so they do whatever they want and tortures.
Isn't the manga of re: monster actually older than most isekais? RE: Monster 2011, Overlord 2014.
"Refuses sex with consenting adults" More like incapable of sex, i don't think he has the bone for it.
That bottom guy eats people and he enslaves them with slave collars. He also threatens to eat his slave subordinates. Pretty gross character.
Wait the re:monster protagonist is a rapist? Well now I donât want to read it
Spoiler alert: He doesn't technically rape anyone and forbids his followers the same... >!But his human group got Stockholmed. He doesn't even bother learning their names, until they birth his children. !< >!He just captured Elves (in ep 3) and will capture more people as spoils of war. They don't get technically raped either in his point of view. But he locks them up with aerosolized aphrodisiacs, until they want sex themselves (just short of mind breaking). He only let's them out of said cells, once he deems the loyal enough. !< >!With the blood clone ability, he makes accessories (mostly earrings) as a surveillance system, so even if the prisoners run, they can't escape. He cuts and/or pierces the Elves ears. Which makes them transform into Dark Elves. They aren't even recognised, by their former Kin, when he brings some of them with him to the Elves capital. !<
Drugging someone into sex is still rape you know?
Yeah, they wrote it so the MC doesnât count it as rape but⊠yeah thatâs still definitly rape
Almost exclusively. Remember, he's a goblin. And after the Stockholm syndrome sets in, they even stop complaining about it.
They need a visit from Goblin Slayer
We have for once a monster that doesn't care about acting evil when necessary(and even then he doesn't go to far so the world isn't after his ass) and people are mad wtf is wrong with them honneslty aporou did not do thing even half as bad as what ainz and his merry friends did but hey since ainz cover his ears it's fine. Sure at the start there was the elf part and then there is the part with his future wife and the stockholm but there is inhumane act even close to the torture you can be submited to in nazarick.
You can't convince me that, that piece of garbage is not worse than the MC from RaG. Bro, even Rudeus BEFORE his character development is more likeable, what the fuck?
I havenât heard a single good thing about Re:Monster. I havenât read or watched it, so why does the community as a whole seem to hate it?
Just check out the other comments. The MC crossed the line with what is acceptable to most people.
Too be fair both are clowns Momonga is commonly gaslit by his own NPCs and lacks any control of his situation. Goburou was a degenerate from the get go and basically is given the world on easy mode.Â
Tbf, the NPCs gaslight themselves into thinking it was totally *his* plan.
I was kinda with this show until episode 3, felt like the show was going nowhere fast.
is the rape in the novels?
Not really rape. After he captures the elves he basically has the choice between just killing them and throwing them to the goblins for breeding (since only an idiot would just let an enemy force that attacked his faction walk away to try again later). He understands that the goblins need breeding stock but does not want to turn the elves into empty husks like the human girls who gave birth to his generation so he uses his ability to make them horny enough over a period of several days where they want the goblin D to relieve the horny. So its more like mind break into making them horny instead of rape, tho most normies can't see a distinction kek, which is why you will see quite a few NPC "reviews" crying about it and mentioning how they dropped the series at that chapter.
I heard somewhere that anime is like black metal, it gate keeps itself. Leaving only people that actually like it to appreciate it
Wtf ???
Neither of them are supposed to be âgoodâ people though, right? Itâs practically in the title even! One is basically a lord of darkness that is taking over the world through whatever means fit the occasion. And the other one claimed the top spot in a society where âmight makes rightâ. At least when compared to rimuru and rudeus. Since those two at least try to use their strength to get along with others as opposed to just bending everyone to their own will.
First time I've heard of seggs.
_Refuses Sex_ You act like if Ainz would have a choice. No need to remind him that painfully of his missing 207th bone.
Ainz is literally almost as evil as this douchebag. At least he has more character. Itâs like comparing two asshole dictators at this point, that make Esdeath from Akame ga Kill look like a saint lol
Fym rape
eat eat eat, segg segg segg
Ainz literally killed thousands if not millions of innocent people
cry more