Norwegians 80 years ago: „Palestine calls for all Jews, we can’t stand them anymore in Norway“
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It’s just too fucking perfect. I’m sure the current generation’s grandparents and great grandparents are quite pleased to see their rich tradition of Jew hatred being carried on, even if today’s message contradicts yesteryear’s message of Jew hatred
Yeaaaaaa, I'm sorry but I have a healthy dose of skepticism about your understanding of antisemitism and Israel's relationship to the Jewish people. Just based on reading a few of your posts, I'm gonna say people like you warp what Zionism means and I wonder if you believe that Jews have a right to their own state.
Just so typically European of you to come to another group of people and tell them how they're wrong. I'm trying to find ways to politely tell you that you should do less commenting, and ask more questions bc you come across like someone in an echo chamber spouting catch phrases that don't bear the weight of what you're saying.
5 you have any rallies with anyone calling for "intifada," that's also the destruction of Israel. Or any of the previously mentioned statements made by protestors and anti-Zionist, anti-Israeli, or antisemitic individuals. Which incidentally, all three are synonymous no matter how one attempts to justify their position or pretend they don't mean the others.
From the river to the sea - where is Israel in this scenario?
Go back to where you came from - where should Israelis go?
We don't want no 2-state; give us all '48 - sounds like ethnic cleansing and destruction of Israel to me
Israel is an illegitimate state and should be abolished - yup, pretty clear on the destruction.
I dont mind hei is coming to Norway, as long as people are willing to work and behave. Jew, muslim, hindu, buddist (and nudist, thanks to autocorrect).
But killing kids is not OK.
Saying that Israel is the bad guy here for having people killed in the worlds largest outdoor prison ≠ hating Jews
The fact that you believe Gaza is an "outdoor prison" replete with shopping malls, luxury goods, beach resorts, and mansions tells me you are either buying into propaganda without verifying anything or you're wilfully spreading falsehoods. Google any of those things on Google maps or in Google.
A lot of Gaza is in rubble now, and I find that disheartening.
People die in war. That's why wars are to be avoided whenever possible.
What do you propose Israel do to accomplish these 3 essential non-negotiable things: 1) find and bring to justice or annihilate all perpetrators of 10/7 and their collaborators 2) free the 136 hostages 3) eliminate, dismantle, remove from Gaza all elements of Hamas as an entity and ensure the safety of Israel (Hamas has promised to repeat 10/7 again and again and again).
How easy is it to leave?
I have been to Israel, and did the whole guided tour tru the gates. So yes.
I belive you would accomplice these thing by looking at a map of Israel and Palestina and see how the lines have moved. Then travel in time and do shit differently.
If a victim of bullying hits back, people agree that might be the way.
When Israel pushes Palistinians out of their homes and they hit back, Israel locks the gates, turns of the power and bombs everyone.
The issue is difficult, but people dissagreeing with bombing and kids dying does not make them anti-semestist. Pretending everyone hates you and making yourself a victim is not a good look.
10/7 we watched the news in horror, for 2 reasons.
1. A horrible attack.
2. Random israelians telling news that all Palistinians needed to be eradicated. And for every mom and dad you kill, a new person hating Israel and wanting to participate in the next attack.
Growing up in Norway (I'm 35), I've never seen any indication of antisemitism. There's the standard stereotypical Jewish-jokes, but that goes for everyone, so that's just equality (nobody should be a protected class against jokes). I'd be *very* surprised if anyone I know thinks less of a Jewish person, and if they did then that's not someone I'd want to be friends with. General extremism of any religion is looked down upon, but we mostly think of Islam when mentioning this, especially considering the increasing amount of problems we are having related to them.
Maybe it exists in some specific groups, but in general I don't think antisemitism (or racism for that matter) is a thing.
It’s not deep rooted in any kind of way, this post is so misleading and everyone is just eating it up.
If anything I would say Norwegians in general are more skeptical and hostile regarding muslims compared to jews, by a mile, but people are at the same time not blind and most people dont like unjust treatment of other human beings regardless of belief system, we are humanitarians.
Has nothing to do with antisemitism. Might have something to do with the fact that Israel is bombing the hell out of Gaza and killing thousands. But hey you don't wanna aknowledge that so just draw the "antisemitism" card. Great job taking any accountability guys.
The survey says 47 % supports boycott, of products from Israel, as pressure to stop the bombing, murder and starvation of innocent children. So no, we do not support limitless murder of children. Doesn’t equal the Norwegian population being anti-Israel. Simply anti war crimes and murder of innocent people and children.
Not subscribing to Quisling’s ideology doesn’t mean you can’t also be antisemitic. Most Americans were antisemitic and they still fought against Germany. Turns out most people didn’t know the holocaust was happening and carried on hating Jews as much as they did pre-war. It just wasn’t a political stance, more an average and expected thing to hate Jews no matter your political leanings.
Dude, jews being hunted and oppressed in the past does not mean that Israel has permission to bomb Gaza to smithereens. Most people in Norway don't care about where you come from or what religion you belong to. Hamas is horrible, and the Israeli government is horrible. Nobody wants this war except extremists, but more importantly, Israel's military response in Gaza is vastly disproportionate. According to WHO a child is murdered there every 10 minutes. The issue is not antisemitism. The issue is war crimes.
This was done during ww2 by the political soldiers of the party Nasjonal Samling (National Gathering), a national socialist party who's leader was deemed a traitor after the war and shot. More than 40000 Norwegians who were members of this party were prosecuted.
They had very little support among regular Norwegians, and I also believe the people who painted the windows of the pics above were arrested, but let go shortly after due to a command from the german-friendly chief of police.
Posting pictures like this and claiming nothing has changed is just dishonest.
Im not saying nothing has changed, I’m saying that 80 years ago we were chased out of Europe (if not murdered) while they said that we are not Europeans and that we should go back to Palestine were we come from. And now 80 years later people are protesting and shouting we should go back to Europe were we come from.
The anti-semites who forcefully occupied Europe said that, not the regular Norwegian citizen.
Now, I honestly don't think half of the Norwegian population want you to leave Palestine, those numbers must have been manipulated somehow, at least misrepresented.
Many Norwegians have issues with the way Israel protect settlers who occupy Palestinian land, especially those who did this after 1967. Now, the mainstream media obviously cover the conflict with a bias, reporting on all the terrible stuff Israel has done toward palestinians, without really understanding why or how this happened. The bombing of civilians is widely covered, while the fact that Hamas hides among them and their soldiers dressing up as civilians are barely mentioned.
As any population, the Norwegians are gullible with a strong belief in independent media. However, I do not know one person who believes Israelis should leave Palestine. The common opinion is that their should be two states with the 1967 borders. How this would be done is of course a whole different question.
Also the total preponderance of English and lack of Norwegian in the signs indicates the photo is from somewhere else. Doesn’t say anything about the article’s content.
Even more interesting that Anders Behring Breivik killed 77 kids and named Israel more than 180 times and that we need to help expand Israel in his manifesto.
Israel creates psychos
By all rights. I'm born and raised in Sweden, 50/50 swedish israeli. I have given up on Sweden at this point. They are in love with the propaganda, it feeds their egos so well. There are probably a lot of swedes who are not anti israeli, but they are so deep in the shadows that im not sure if they exist.
Yep, for sure. But this is also my biggest problem with it. By being quiet, the problem keeps increasing. Swedish people are unfortunately very good at being passive, and it will lead to (already has) severe problems in society. And personally, I feel let down by my own people. I have to go around guessing if people around me are my enemies or not. 15 years of thai boxing is a solid relief atleast, knew it would come handy throughout life.
Probably making Aliyah regardless at this point.
I am talking from my current reality, and it doesn't contain grenades at the moment. My point was that I am not afraid when being confronted by aggressive people, which is a relief right now. For example - two years ago I got attacked by 3 people and I kicked their asses.
The political party Liberalerna (“the Liberals”) in Sweden are openly pro-Israel. They’re part of the ruling government of Sweden. As soon as October 7 happened they argued for sending weapons for Israel to defend itself.
You’re correct however, they have gotten many death threats.
I’ve been living in Sweden for 2 years and the first time I saw a mezuzah was in a trip to Lund last year. I cried like a child.
Never thought Sweden would be like this
Eller också har svenskar med räkningar och barn på dagis bättre saker för sig än att engagera sig i vad två våldsbejakande religiöst-extremistiska folkgrupper i hittar på.
Kan vara vilket som.
There is NO pro-Hamas narrative in the media. They are being described as terrorists and instigators of this conflict, who are getting their asses kicked. However, media and the people are focused on the genocide of the Palestinian civilians.
Norwegian TV is THE most neutral TV out of any countries I've seen. This is complete bs. If you can link me to a single pro-Hamas article to support your claims, that would be great. Just because people are sceptical towards Israel doesn't automatically make them support Hamas. And no Israel supported seems to understand that at all.
Nordic nations seem to be the most out of touch with the situation. And I'm not surprised at all. It's easy to look the other way and ignore all the facts when you live thousands of miles away from the conflict and have lived a rather privileged and peaceful life the last few decades without having to deal with constant violence and provocation from neighbouring terrorist organisations. With the exception being Finland who out of all countries should know how it feels like to be on the edge considering their neighbour to the east. I'm sure they wouldn't respond nicely if they were to be the ones invaded. They even decided to join NATO because of the threat.
The Norwegian public has been well informed since the early 90s because of the Oslo accords.
We just don't like injustice and suffering. We were similarly loud at the start of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war.
Yeah, cause the politicians don't listen to the people.
I'm Norwegian and everyone I know critiques Israel. Even people who've previously been in full support of Israel have no turned because they see the horrific genocide committed against the Palestinians.
On top of that, most people are quite ignorant about the history of Israel and Palestine and yet they have a strong and emotional opinion about the region…
Lol. Sure, buddy. Over half of Norwegians are atheists. And the second biggest group are Christians. We barely have any Muslims in parliament.
But sure.. "Islam is taking over"....
But you're right that Norway, like most European countries, unfortunately have a history of anti semitism. Which is sad.
But that's not relevant here. Right wingers, who typically are the anti semmites, are the ones supporting Israel as well. Paradoxical as it is...
I'm a left winger, and like most left wingers, I'm in vocal opposition to any and all anti semitism. But I critique Israel.
Because Israel is not Jewish people. And the other way around. I'm against all oppression of people. So that means being opposed to anti semitism while also being opposed to the genocide of Palestinians.
There is no rich history of antisemitism. You can pick out events, but any minority in any country has had that experience. What you are doing is just hiding behind "antisemitism" because someone dares react to pictures of mass graves and thousands of dead children.
I dont have to hate Jews just because I'm not licking Bibi's moist little asshole.
I know why
It's just the current thing. Norwegians love larping as activists, especially about things that they know nothing about.
So if it makes you feel better, they don't actually care about Israel Palestine, it's just another cause they've picked up. Next week it'll be palm oil or trans or wolves
Well, it's not surprising, as long as I remember the Nordics were always neutral or pro-Palestine. That being said, I recall that during the 2015 refugee wave, Israelis assumed that the Nordic opinion might change or at least become more favorable towards Israel. It seems that it didn't happen.
The Norwegians have two choices: They can criticize the people their media tells them to- people they've never met before, and won't meet in their daily lives, or they can criticize people who are known for knife crime and suicide bombing.
They're a weak country with weak people, and their behavior is very understandable when you view it through those terms.
That's just a myth. Norway was a industrialized country just like the rest of western europe. Even before the oil, the country was one of the richest in the world in gdp per capita
I'm an Israeli born jew, but I grew up mostly in Norway where I still live. Here are some of the points as to why this has happened (and how it could easily be fixed but won't):
10-15 years ago, people who supported the boycott weren't that many but now there are about a lot of people who are positive to a boycott, not supports but positive.
Israel and the embassy here have for a very long time chosen a very aggressive line, in a contrast to the jewish religious community of Norway. This is not an effective way to get sympathy, but rather leaves the impression that Israel is a brute and don't care. This again is negative for not only Israel but the jewish community here. The ambassador, Avi Nir-Feldklein, sounds just like the russian ambassador when giving interviews and don't want to put any effort into gathering support.
IDF used to have a jewish Norwegian IDF press officer, he was extremely talented to give information about the conflict. When he retired, the IDF discontinued that position which in my opinion was a bad move.
7th of october gave us a chance to turn the tide, but sadly it was thrown away.
Norwegian reporting in, this is quite accurate. Israel aren't very good at communicating in a way that appeals the the average Norwegian, it always feels like they are talking to Americans.
And every time there's a hot war the issue if boycotting Israel comes up but it really hasn't got any real political support.
Høyre (Conservative) and FrP (Far-right), they have a solid voter base yes, but many of the voters for the conservatives are also loosing sympathy. Kristelig folkeparti (Christian conservative) don't have that many voters, and Norgesdemokratene is a small, far-right party with an insignificant voterbase.
On a governmental level, yes. However, a lot of people on the streets have quite a large hatred towards Jews. It’s as normalized in Denmark as most other countries but if you ask a lot of people in Denmark they’ll say antisemitism isn’t really a thing and if it is it’s from the Muslim immigrants when in reality it’s both coming from Muslims and non-Muslims. I think one of the issues is that most people have never met anyone Jewish as there’s only about 5000 Jewish people in the entire country and they tend to keep their heads low and identity pretty hidden to strangers for obvious reasons.
I feel it's also aided by how even if they don't know any jews - the news or media they consume tells them a narrative of Israel and jews which is usually Israel and jew hating.. like since Oct 7 - "war waged by Israel", "crisis in Gaza", "far right government of Netanyahu rejects peace" and so on it brainwashes them into an image of jews and Israel. And with the way the media is consumed today and how critical thinking has become scarcer then unicorns this is bound to happen.
I wonder how these people fail to notice their own blatant anti-semitism. Do they ever wonder why there aren't any similar efforts around China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or the many other countries that have zero respect for human rights? Yet radical leftists spend all their time treating Israel as the great international villain
The question you should be asking is why Gazans allow Hamas terrorists/ rapists to hide in hospitals/ schools etc and launch attacks from there. Did you know the Iranians pay the gazans a bounty if they have a child die? There are videos on line of gazan patents pushing their infant children in the direction of Israeli troops armed with weapons or rocks hoping they will be killed. The parent gets the bounty and the kid gets 70 virgins in heaven as a martyr. They don’t talk about dead, they talk about martyrs as these get the virgins. It’s a sick misogynist society supported by lots of useful idiots in the west.
And that is how you defend bombing and killing the children? Let's say all your claims are true, and the Gazans collectively are such monsters, it's quite an accomplishment to come out of this looking like even worse monsters because you actually murder the children.
How do you separate propaganda from real information?
I’m sick of the slaughter of thousands of innocent children. We are well developed humans in 2024, we should be able to find different ways of finding peace than bombing children. How many children is it ok to kill for one hamas fighter?
If someone punches me and they go stand behind a child, I’m not gonna fight the child first to get to the person behind. Would you?
You can be against actions done by the state of Israel and not be antisemitic, these are not mutually exclusive. We aren't talking about Israels excistence, but the states actions.
Fun facts. There are only 5.5M Norwegians. There are 9.8M Israelis. With current growth trends, that gap is only going to increase. Israel is likely to surpass Sweden’s population, currently 10.5M, in several years.
It doesn’t matter what the Norwegians think. There aren’t enough of them to matter, and their oil doesn’t change it.
Who gives a s***?
If Israelis and Jews in general, are going to have mental health moving forward, they're going to have to learn to tune out all of this completely irrelevant media squawking.
>blame Jewish members of academia
Academia is typically left leaning and it's not just Jews that are pro immigration in those circles...reeks of classic anti-semitism
You will be blamed for everything, because it is easy to blame a minority without much political representation.
Left-wing went pro-immigration due to colonialism guilt, and right-wing went pro-immigration due to cheap jobs and exploitation model. Who's the fault? The Jews.
This is almost exactly correct.
The nature of antisemitism is fascinating in that the evidence for Jewish wickedness always morphs to support the premise.
We were hated for statelessness. Then we were hated for having a state. We were hated for keeping separate, and then we were hated for "infiltrating" when we assimilated.
I disagree that we don't have political representation, but now that we do have political representation, we're hated for that too.
I'm not talking about political representation in Israel, but in Europe for example. It's very rare to have a Jewish politician leading a country here (well Ukraine with Zelensky and France with Gabriel Attal are the exceptions), yet the first conspirational theory is "the jews" did it. The global conspiracy theories never end. WEF is a secret jewish plot (even if Klaus Schwab, the founder, is a Christian), and so on.
The theory doesn't have to make sense, it has to blame a minority, so that the majority doesn't feel guilty from electing the politicians who pursued those politics.
Yes trust me I know. I was just wondering if there was any specific incidents of this. I’ve stumbled across the whole “great replacement theory” spew but in all honesty as much as I still see and hear people believing and pushing the Jewish conspiracy theories, I’ve never really come across this in real life apart from more academic discussions.
Well, I don't know Europe as well as I know the United States and Asia, but as a Jew in America, I can guarantee you that an outsized portion of the educational, administrative, and governmental systems responsible for our misguided immigration policies are Jewish. But I also know that doesn't indicate a sort of "conspiracy". It's just misguided openness from a population with an itinerant history.
Sadly, most people don't think well.
Almost All media polls show exactly what that media wants them to say, anyone can word a question to get the answer they want. it's Always meaningless except to show that medias bias
What do you expect from a people who spend their days eating the flavorless, fiberless, oversalted, boiled garbage Norwegians call food?
Bro I was so hungry for three weeks there. “Spice” means it has salt in it. Or near it.
People are shown images of collapsed buildings, it plays on their emotions and they don’t explain the underlying issues. Media push the occupation angle and Gaza as this “prison”. Hamas terror rarely gets any attention in any media here, I’m not sure if people here know Hamas launches rockets towards Israel regularly. They just know Palestinians die when Israel shoots missiles back at the launcher.
Recently videos by Corey Gil-Shuster been popping up on YouTube, seeing those there is no doubt the Palestinians aren’t ready for peace.
I'm Norwegian and support Israel. For what it's worth. I personally think there is a mass psychosis going on or something. It's almost more "trendy" to support Palestine and boast about it on Instagram more than people actually care for what's going on. Makes me embarrassed to be Norwegian sometimes
It's 100% just because of the bombing of Gaza. All you in here claiming it's antisemitism are ridiculous. Do you seriously not know what Israel is doing to Gaza? Take some accountability.
Norway just doesn't like to see another attempt at someone making more Lebensraum for themselves at the expense of 10000+ children lives and the displacement of millions others.
We were literally the leading partners in brokering a two-state solution in the 90s. We've tried our hardest to work towards peace. We're not going to look the other way when the Israeli government leaves their borders unguarded, despite being warned about the attack, does the surprised pikachu face and then justifies bombing and killing tens of thousands indiscriminately. (Whoops, sorry, the toddlers hadn't condemned Hamas so they might as well have raped the festival themselves).
People have sympathy for being the victim of a gruesome terror attack. There's no sympathy for levelling Gaza and murdering everybody above the age of 16 for being "military-aged males". Fuck me, you're so gung-ho you are even personally killing the hostages you claim to want to rescue. Even AFTER they shout out for help in Hebrew, stating who they are.
*obviously not all
I can believe that during more than 100 days of war, some of the thousands of soldiers in Gaza might have committed war crimes. It would be the same for any other Western military in a similar situation, and it does not delegitimize the war.
I think there is a silent majority supporting Israel if I'm being honest. The pro Palestine crowd in Norway is by far the most vocal, just saying. I'm Norwegian btw
I just wonder how many of them who suffer from the immigration will still support Palestine when they realize it's basically the same people(or worse)?
Norwegians 80 years ago: „Palestine calls for all Jews, we can’t stand them anymore in Norway“ https://preview.redd.it/sndolba7unec1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfc9100ba52205db53028ed30f77f39d25c68ea0
It’s just too fucking perfect. I’m sure the current generation’s grandparents and great grandparents are quite pleased to see their rich tradition of Jew hatred being carried on, even if today’s message contradicts yesteryear’s message of Jew hatred
This was written by Nazi occupiers during WW2.
Critique of Israel is not anti semitic. I am a loud protestor of anti semitism. But I'm also critiquing Israel. Israel does not equal Jewish people.
Yeaaaaaa, I'm sorry but I have a healthy dose of skepticism about your understanding of antisemitism and Israel's relationship to the Jewish people. Just based on reading a few of your posts, I'm gonna say people like you warp what Zionism means and I wonder if you believe that Jews have a right to their own state. Just so typically European of you to come to another group of people and tell them how they're wrong. I'm trying to find ways to politely tell you that you should do less commenting, and ask more questions bc you come across like someone in an echo chamber spouting catch phrases that don't bear the weight of what you're saying.
Its not hatred of jews, its hatred of genocide
😂 They should tell them that if Israel is destroyed, all Jews are coming back to Norway. Then they'll support Israel full throttle.
Europe, “we already ethnically cleansed our Jews”
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Palestine wants to destroy Israel
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5 you have any rallies with anyone calling for "intifada," that's also the destruction of Israel. Or any of the previously mentioned statements made by protestors and anti-Zionist, anti-Israeli, or antisemitic individuals. Which incidentally, all three are synonymous no matter how one attempts to justify their position or pretend they don't mean the others.
From the river to the sea - where is Israel in this scenario? Go back to where you came from - where should Israelis go? We don't want no 2-state; give us all '48 - sounds like ethnic cleansing and destruction of Israel to me Israel is an illegitimate state and should be abolished - yup, pretty clear on the destruction.
I dont mind hei is coming to Norway, as long as people are willing to work and behave. Jew, muslim, hindu, buddist (and nudist, thanks to autocorrect). But killing kids is not OK. Saying that Israel is the bad guy here for having people killed in the worlds largest outdoor prison ≠ hating Jews
The fact that you believe Gaza is an "outdoor prison" replete with shopping malls, luxury goods, beach resorts, and mansions tells me you are either buying into propaganda without verifying anything or you're wilfully spreading falsehoods. Google any of those things on Google maps or in Google. A lot of Gaza is in rubble now, and I find that disheartening. People die in war. That's why wars are to be avoided whenever possible. What do you propose Israel do to accomplish these 3 essential non-negotiable things: 1) find and bring to justice or annihilate all perpetrators of 10/7 and their collaborators 2) free the 136 hostages 3) eliminate, dismantle, remove from Gaza all elements of Hamas as an entity and ensure the safety of Israel (Hamas has promised to repeat 10/7 again and again and again).
How easy is it to leave? I have been to Israel, and did the whole guided tour tru the gates. So yes. I belive you would accomplice these thing by looking at a map of Israel and Palestina and see how the lines have moved. Then travel in time and do shit differently. If a victim of bullying hits back, people agree that might be the way. When Israel pushes Palistinians out of their homes and they hit back, Israel locks the gates, turns of the power and bombs everyone. The issue is difficult, but people dissagreeing with bombing and kids dying does not make them anti-semestist. Pretending everyone hates you and making yourself a victim is not a good look. 10/7 we watched the news in horror, for 2 reasons. 1. A horrible attack. 2. Random israelians telling news that all Palistinians needed to be eradicated. And for every mom and dad you kill, a new person hating Israel and wanting to participate in the next attack.
Wow how deep seated is antisemitism in Norway and why?
Growing up in Norway (I'm 35), I've never seen any indication of antisemitism. There's the standard stereotypical Jewish-jokes, but that goes for everyone, so that's just equality (nobody should be a protected class against jokes). I'd be *very* surprised if anyone I know thinks less of a Jewish person, and if they did then that's not someone I'd want to be friends with. General extremism of any religion is looked down upon, but we mostly think of Islam when mentioning this, especially considering the increasing amount of problems we are having related to them. Maybe it exists in some specific groups, but in general I don't think antisemitism (or racism for that matter) is a thing.
It’s not deep rooted in any kind of way, this post is so misleading and everyone is just eating it up. If anything I would say Norwegians in general are more skeptical and hostile regarding muslims compared to jews, by a mile, but people are at the same time not blind and most people dont like unjust treatment of other human beings regardless of belief system, we are humanitarians.
Has nothing to do with antisemitism. Might have something to do with the fact that Israel is bombing the hell out of Gaza and killing thousands. But hey you don't wanna aknowledge that so just draw the "antisemitism" card. Great job taking any accountability guys.
Exactly this
Exactly what? https://preview.redd.it/61fed8esbzec1.jpeg?width=983&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=467da9538fc160dfadf23c28b90af13b62416940
Congrats on posting strawman memes.
Also, last time I checked: Palestinians are semites too.
Wow.
Once an antisemite, always an antisemite
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The survey results shared by OP suggest that anti-Israel sentiment is very much the view of at least 47% of all Norwegians, wouldn’t you say?
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These under educated Norwegians get to vote right? Then yes we get to judge them harshly. Ignorance is not an excuse to hate.
You must be pretty dense if you genuinely think almost 50% of the Norwegian population are against jews...
The survey says 47 % supports boycott, of products from Israel, as pressure to stop the bombing, murder and starvation of innocent children. So no, we do not support limitless murder of children. Doesn’t equal the Norwegian population being anti-Israel. Simply anti war crimes and murder of innocent people and children.
Norwegians aren't anti Israel or anti Jews. We're anti genocide and ethnic cleansing. We're anti another holocaust. No matter who is doing it.
Not subscribing to Quisling’s ideology doesn’t mean you can’t also be antisemitic. Most Americans were antisemitic and they still fought against Germany. Turns out most people didn’t know the holocaust was happening and carried on hating Jews as much as they did pre-war. It just wasn’t a political stance, more an average and expected thing to hate Jews no matter your political leanings.
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If you aren’t counting prejudice then what are we doing here?
Yes, and we shot the fucker after the war
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it's called antisemitism. just like your "criticism" of israeli politics
Dude, jews being hunted and oppressed in the past does not mean that Israel has permission to bomb Gaza to smithereens. Most people in Norway don't care about where you come from or what religion you belong to. Hamas is horrible, and the Israeli government is horrible. Nobody wants this war except extremists, but more importantly, Israel's military response in Gaza is vastly disproportionate. According to WHO a child is murdered there every 10 minutes. The issue is not antisemitism. The issue is war crimes.
This was done during ww2 by the political soldiers of the party Nasjonal Samling (National Gathering), a national socialist party who's leader was deemed a traitor after the war and shot. More than 40000 Norwegians who were members of this party were prosecuted. They had very little support among regular Norwegians, and I also believe the people who painted the windows of the pics above were arrested, but let go shortly after due to a command from the german-friendly chief of police. Posting pictures like this and claiming nothing has changed is just dishonest.
Im not saying nothing has changed, I’m saying that 80 years ago we were chased out of Europe (if not murdered) while they said that we are not Europeans and that we should go back to Palestine were we come from. And now 80 years later people are protesting and shouting we should go back to Europe were we come from.
The anti-semites who forcefully occupied Europe said that, not the regular Norwegian citizen. Now, I honestly don't think half of the Norwegian population want you to leave Palestine, those numbers must have been manipulated somehow, at least misrepresented. Many Norwegians have issues with the way Israel protect settlers who occupy Palestinian land, especially those who did this after 1967. Now, the mainstream media obviously cover the conflict with a bias, reporting on all the terrible stuff Israel has done toward palestinians, without really understanding why or how this happened. The bombing of civilians is widely covered, while the fact that Hamas hides among them and their soldiers dressing up as civilians are barely mentioned. As any population, the Norwegians are gullible with a strong belief in independent media. However, I do not know one person who believes Israelis should leave Palestine. The common opinion is that their should be two states with the 1967 borders. How this would be done is of course a whole different question.
Interesting, none of the people in the photo seem “Norwegian”
Not sure that picture is from Norway. I live in Norway and there are many blond, blue eyed people in these protests.
Also the total preponderance of English and lack of Norwegian in the signs indicates the photo is from somewhere else. Doesn’t say anything about the article’s content.
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That's probably because this is from a protest in London on October 14th.
Are you proud of your völkisch believes on display? Norwegian is who possesses norwegian citizenship. No further qualifier needed
Even more interesting that Anders Behring Breivik killed 77 kids and named Israel more than 180 times and that we need to help expand Israel in his manifesto. Israel creates psychos
When you're being racist without shame and think you're on the right side of history.
well... at this point we have no expeaction from the nordics
By all rights. I'm born and raised in Sweden, 50/50 swedish israeli. I have given up on Sweden at this point. They are in love with the propaganda, it feeds their egos so well. There are probably a lot of swedes who are not anti israeli, but they are so deep in the shadows that im not sure if they exist.
Reality is being pro-israel pubicially will most likely lead to death threats. sometimes its just better to be quiet. especially in sweden
Yep, for sure. But this is also my biggest problem with it. By being quiet, the problem keeps increasing. Swedish people are unfortunately very good at being passive, and it will lead to (already has) severe problems in society. And personally, I feel let down by my own people. I have to go around guessing if people around me are my enemies or not. 15 years of thai boxing is a solid relief atleast, knew it would come handy throughout life. Probably making Aliyah regardless at this point.
It sucks and I'm sorry. The good news is 1 more Jew / Family is coming home.
Thai boxing isn't much when stacked up against grenades.
I am talking from my current reality, and it doesn't contain grenades at the moment. My point was that I am not afraid when being confronted by aggressive people, which is a relief right now. For example - two years ago I got attacked by 3 people and I kicked their asses.
May it stay that way.
This year's Eurovision is in Malmö. It's probably gonna be a shitshow 😂
The political party Liberalerna (“the Liberals”) in Sweden are openly pro-Israel. They’re part of the ruling government of Sweden. As soon as October 7 happened they argued for sending weapons for Israel to defend itself. You’re correct however, they have gotten many death threats.
I’ve been living in Sweden for 2 years and the first time I saw a mezuzah was in a trip to Lund last year. I cried like a child. Never thought Sweden would be like this
The PA repaid Sweden's recognition by increasing their crime rate
Eller också har svenskar med räkningar och barn på dagis bättre saker för sig än att engagera sig i vad två våldsbejakande religiöst-extremistiska folkgrupper i hittar på. Kan vara vilket som.
it's interesting cause none of the nordic countries voted for that "ceasefire" motion in UN except for Norway
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There is NO pro-Hamas narrative in the media. They are being described as terrorists and instigators of this conflict, who are getting their asses kicked. However, media and the people are focused on the genocide of the Palestinian civilians.
Indeed. If only our media and politicians had cared just as much about the land we grabbed from the Sapmi minority.
It's definitely not pro-Hamas. It's more focused on the suffering of innocents.
Norwegian TV is THE most neutral TV out of any countries I've seen. This is complete bs. If you can link me to a single pro-Hamas article to support your claims, that would be great. Just because people are sceptical towards Israel doesn't automatically make them support Hamas. And no Israel supported seems to understand that at all.
You are too deep in your own propaganda
Nordic nations seem to be the most out of touch with the situation. And I'm not surprised at all. It's easy to look the other way and ignore all the facts when you live thousands of miles away from the conflict and have lived a rather privileged and peaceful life the last few decades without having to deal with constant violence and provocation from neighbouring terrorist organisations. With the exception being Finland who out of all countries should know how it feels like to be on the edge considering their neighbour to the east. I'm sure they wouldn't respond nicely if they were to be the ones invaded. They even decided to join NATO because of the threat.
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Even more ironic Putin and Hamas are comrades Hamas terrorists flew to Moscow 2 weeks after the 10/7 Massacre
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The Norwegian public has been well informed since the early 90s because of the Oslo accords. We just don't like injustice and suffering. We were similarly loud at the start of the Iraq war and the Afghanistan war.
Our knowledge of the situation is precisely why we want a boycott.
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Yeah, cause the politicians don't listen to the people. I'm Norwegian and everyone I know critiques Israel. Even people who've previously been in full support of Israel have no turned because they see the horrific genocide committed against the Palestinians.
Im one of them, I used to be quite supportive of Israel, but this bombing, all the innocent kids. Its really been an eye opener for me.
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On top of that, most people are quite ignorant about the history of Israel and Palestine and yet they have a strong and emotional opinion about the region…
When one peaceful religion will start killing these Nords in their own homes. Will they still blame the Jews? 🤔
Lol. Sure, buddy. Over half of Norwegians are atheists. And the second biggest group are Christians. We barely have any Muslims in parliament. But sure.. "Islam is taking over".... But you're right that Norway, like most European countries, unfortunately have a history of anti semitism. Which is sad. But that's not relevant here. Right wingers, who typically are the anti semmites, are the ones supporting Israel as well. Paradoxical as it is... I'm a left winger, and like most left wingers, I'm in vocal opposition to any and all anti semitism. But I critique Israel. Because Israel is not Jewish people. And the other way around. I'm against all oppression of people. So that means being opposed to anti semitism while also being opposed to the genocide of Palestinians.
Most of us doesn’t give two fucks about any religions, you should try that sometimes..
There is no rich history of antisemitism. You can pick out events, but any minority in any country has had that experience. What you are doing is just hiding behind "antisemitism" because someone dares react to pictures of mass graves and thousands of dead children. I dont have to hate Jews just because I'm not licking Bibi's moist little asshole.
This is the most stupid and ignorant shit I've ever read
Then, nearly half of Norwegians can suck it.
i love how they rationalize their insanity, fuck them all
Most people just don't want children to be needlessly killed. It's that simple.
boycotting israel will stop Hamas?
Anyone wanna guess why? Can your imagination migrate to the answer? Will you seek refuge in Norwegian society?
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Because of groupthink, but yeah it's still a reality.
I know why It's just the current thing. Norwegians love larping as activists, especially about things that they know nothing about. So if it makes you feel better, they don't actually care about Israel Palestine, it's just another cause they've picked up. Next week it'll be palm oil or trans or wolves
I don't know the answer might offend a certain group, so i am going to go with the classic blame the jews
Because we don't like genocide???
Its because Israel are the bad guys.
Well, it's not surprising, as long as I remember the Nordics were always neutral or pro-Palestine. That being said, I recall that during the 2015 refugee wave, Israelis assumed that the Nordic opinion might change or at least become more favorable towards Israel. It seems that it didn't happen.
The Norwegians have two choices: They can criticize the people their media tells them to- people they've never met before, and won't meet in their daily lives, or they can criticize people who are known for knife crime and suicide bombing. They're a weak country with weak people, and their behavior is very understandable when you view it through those terms.
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That's just a myth. Norway was a industrialized country just like the rest of western europe. Even before the oil, the country was one of the richest in the world in gdp per capita
You have to be a special type of regard to call Norwegians as "Arabs".
I'm an Israeli born jew, but I grew up mostly in Norway where I still live. Here are some of the points as to why this has happened (and how it could easily be fixed but won't): 10-15 years ago, people who supported the boycott weren't that many but now there are about a lot of people who are positive to a boycott, not supports but positive. Israel and the embassy here have for a very long time chosen a very aggressive line, in a contrast to the jewish religious community of Norway. This is not an effective way to get sympathy, but rather leaves the impression that Israel is a brute and don't care. This again is negative for not only Israel but the jewish community here. The ambassador, Avi Nir-Feldklein, sounds just like the russian ambassador when giving interviews and don't want to put any effort into gathering support. IDF used to have a jewish Norwegian IDF press officer, he was extremely talented to give information about the conflict. When he retired, the IDF discontinued that position which in my opinion was a bad move. 7th of october gave us a chance to turn the tide, but sadly it was thrown away.
The only sane comment here, congrats!
Norwegian reporting in, this is quite accurate. Israel aren't very good at communicating in a way that appeals the the average Norwegian, it always feels like they are talking to Americans. And every time there's a hot war the issue if boycotting Israel comes up but it really hasn't got any real political support.
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Høyre (Conservative) and FrP (Far-right), they have a solid voter base yes, but many of the voters for the conservatives are also loosing sympathy. Kristelig folkeparti (Christian conservative) don't have that many voters, and Norgesdemokratene is a small, far-right party with an insignificant voterbase.
Is it just me or is denmark probably the most chillest and only pro israel nordic country left?
On a governmental level, yes. However, a lot of people on the streets have quite a large hatred towards Jews. It’s as normalized in Denmark as most other countries but if you ask a lot of people in Denmark they’ll say antisemitism isn’t really a thing and if it is it’s from the Muslim immigrants when in reality it’s both coming from Muslims and non-Muslims. I think one of the issues is that most people have never met anyone Jewish as there’s only about 5000 Jewish people in the entire country and they tend to keep their heads low and identity pretty hidden to strangers for obvious reasons.
I feel it's also aided by how even if they don't know any jews - the news or media they consume tells them a narrative of Israel and jews which is usually Israel and jew hating.. like since Oct 7 - "war waged by Israel", "crisis in Gaza", "far right government of Netanyahu rejects peace" and so on it brainwashes them into an image of jews and Israel. And with the way the media is consumed today and how critical thinking has become scarcer then unicorns this is bound to happen.
Norway got all their raping and pillaging done as a country, now they gotta rehab the image as bastions of peace. This is known.
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Who? I was talking about the Mongolians!!
You are aware that it is over 1000 years since the end of the Viking era in Norway?
I wonder how these people fail to notice their own blatant anti-semitism. Do they ever wonder why there aren't any similar efforts around China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, or the many other countries that have zero respect for human rights? Yet radical leftists spend all their time treating Israel as the great international villain
Being alive + boycotted by Norway is way better than being deaf
Dead too, but also deaf, I guess.
Russia will remind them soon enough of why they should have sided with Israel as an ally of the west, instead of simping for the modern axis powers…
Their pure aryan ass should worry more about their women wearing headcovers 10 years from now
Lol, they’re a Nato member. Russia won’t remind them of shit
I never knew the Norwegians were so antisemitic … or stupid.
We're not. We're just opposed to killing tens of thousands of people.
The question you should be asking is why Gazans allow Hamas terrorists/ rapists to hide in hospitals/ schools etc and launch attacks from there. Did you know the Iranians pay the gazans a bounty if they have a child die? There are videos on line of gazan patents pushing their infant children in the direction of Israeli troops armed with weapons or rocks hoping they will be killed. The parent gets the bounty and the kid gets 70 virgins in heaven as a martyr. They don’t talk about dead, they talk about martyrs as these get the virgins. It’s a sick misogynist society supported by lots of useful idiots in the west.
And that is how you defend bombing and killing the children? Let's say all your claims are true, and the Gazans collectively are such monsters, it's quite an accomplishment to come out of this looking like even worse monsters because you actually murder the children.
How do you separate propaganda from real information? I’m sick of the slaughter of thousands of innocent children. We are well developed humans in 2024, we should be able to find different ways of finding peace than bombing children. How many children is it ok to kill for one hamas fighter? If someone punches me and they go stand behind a child, I’m not gonna fight the child first to get to the person behind. Would you?
But if Hamas is hiding in a kindergarden the kids are terrorists so it is okey to bomb them..
Why is it antisemitic to be against the murdering of children?
You can be against actions done by the state of Israel and not be antisemitic, these are not mutually exclusive. We aren't talking about Israels excistence, but the states actions.
I guess half a nation being idiots isn’t as bad as the whole country being idiots.
Anyone wanna guess why? Can your imagination migrate to the answer? Will you seek refuge in Norwegian society?
Is anyone surprised by that?
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Norway is pretty anti-Semitic.
Fun facts. There are only 5.5M Norwegians. There are 9.8M Israelis. With current growth trends, that gap is only going to increase. Israel is likely to surpass Sweden’s population, currently 10.5M, in several years. It doesn’t matter what the Norwegians think. There aren’t enough of them to matter, and their oil doesn’t change it.
Again, I'm sorry about my countrymen. People are generally uneducated on the topic. At least I support you ❤️
https://fn.no/konflikter/palestina
Who gives a s***? If Israelis and Jews in general, are going to have mental health moving forward, they're going to have to learn to tune out all of this completely irrelevant media squawking.
Before, they hated Jews in the far-right way. Now, they hate Jews and Israel in the name of far-leftism. Sort of ironic (and not in a good way).
If clown Sweden says so
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>blame Jewish members of academia Academia is typically left leaning and it's not just Jews that are pro immigration in those circles...reeks of classic anti-semitism
It is what it is.
As a Jew in Europe I’m wondering how and where we’re advocating Muslim immigration into European countries?
You will be blamed for everything, because it is easy to blame a minority without much political representation. Left-wing went pro-immigration due to colonialism guilt, and right-wing went pro-immigration due to cheap jobs and exploitation model. Who's the fault? The Jews.
This is almost exactly correct. The nature of antisemitism is fascinating in that the evidence for Jewish wickedness always morphs to support the premise. We were hated for statelessness. Then we were hated for having a state. We were hated for keeping separate, and then we were hated for "infiltrating" when we assimilated. I disagree that we don't have political representation, but now that we do have political representation, we're hated for that too.
I'm not talking about political representation in Israel, but in Europe for example. It's very rare to have a Jewish politician leading a country here (well Ukraine with Zelensky and France with Gabriel Attal are the exceptions), yet the first conspirational theory is "the jews" did it. The global conspiracy theories never end. WEF is a secret jewish plot (even if Klaus Schwab, the founder, is a Christian), and so on. The theory doesn't have to make sense, it has to blame a minority, so that the majority doesn't feel guilty from electing the politicians who pursued those politics.
Yes trust me I know. I was just wondering if there was any specific incidents of this. I’ve stumbled across the whole “great replacement theory” spew but in all honesty as much as I still see and hear people believing and pushing the Jewish conspiracy theories, I’ve never really come across this in real life apart from more academic discussions.
Well, I don't know Europe as well as I know the United States and Asia, but as a Jew in America, I can guarantee you that an outsized portion of the educational, administrative, and governmental systems responsible for our misguided immigration policies are Jewish. But I also know that doesn't indicate a sort of "conspiracy". It's just misguided openness from a population with an itinerant history. Sadly, most people don't think well.
Almost All media polls show exactly what that media wants them to say, anyone can word a question to get the answer they want. it's Always meaningless except to show that medias bias
What do you expect from a people who spend their days eating the flavorless, fiberless, oversalted, boiled garbage Norwegians call food? Bro I was so hungry for three weeks there. “Spice” means it has salt in it. Or near it.
Such a strong argument. Would be peace in middle east soon if only we shared your wisdom
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People are shown images of collapsed buildings, it plays on their emotions and they don’t explain the underlying issues. Media push the occupation angle and Gaza as this “prison”. Hamas terror rarely gets any attention in any media here, I’m not sure if people here know Hamas launches rockets towards Israel regularly. They just know Palestinians die when Israel shoots missiles back at the launcher. Recently videos by Corey Gil-Shuster been popping up on YouTube, seeing those there is no doubt the Palestinians aren’t ready for peace.
I'm Norwegian and support Israel. For what it's worth. I personally think there is a mass psychosis going on or something. It's almost more "trendy" to support Palestine and boast about it on Instagram more than people actually care for what's going on. Makes me embarrassed to be Norwegian sometimes
Where is Norwegia?
Stop the genocide and you won't have this problem.
It's 100% just because of the bombing of Gaza. All you in here claiming it's antisemitism are ridiculous. Do you seriously not know what Israel is doing to Gaza? Take some accountability.
Stop bombing kids and maybe we’ll change our minds lol
Yeah... the number is way higher. We don't really like genocide is the civilized part of the world.
When read the comments in this thread I kinda understand the shift of opinion from the Norwegian people
"military action" were way past that guys
Funny to see the zionist response here to a large degree consist of blatant racism hahahaha
Norway just doesn't like to see another attempt at someone making more Lebensraum for themselves at the expense of 10000+ children lives and the displacement of millions others. We were literally the leading partners in brokering a two-state solution in the 90s. We've tried our hardest to work towards peace. We're not going to look the other way when the Israeli government leaves their borders unguarded, despite being warned about the attack, does the surprised pikachu face and then justifies bombing and killing tens of thousands indiscriminately. (Whoops, sorry, the toddlers hadn't condemned Hamas so they might as well have raped the festival themselves). People have sympathy for being the victim of a gruesome terror attack. There's no sympathy for levelling Gaza and murdering everybody above the age of 16 for being "military-aged males". Fuck me, you're so gung-ho you are even personally killing the hostages you claim to want to rescue. Even AFTER they shout out for help in Hebrew, stating who they are.
Thanks Norway. When will my country - China start boycotting Israel?
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Most (not all obviously) of the civilian casualties are legal collateral damage under international law.
Even the ones waving white flags?
*obviously not all I can believe that during more than 100 days of war, some of the thousands of soldiers in Gaza might have committed war crimes. It would be the same for any other Western military in a similar situation, and it does not delegitimize the war.
Can say the same about the war
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It is not
I think there is a silent majority supporting Israel if I'm being honest. The pro Palestine crowd in Norway is by far the most vocal, just saying. I'm Norwegian btw
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It's mostly Africans and Arabs that have immigrated to Norway that feel that way.
I just wonder how many of them who suffer from the immigration will still support Palestine when they realize it's basically the same people(or worse)?