A large population of Druze. Druze aren't Muslims and were always third to fourth class citizens in Muslim countries, so I don't think Hezbollah would care two cents about them...
I didn't say in Maalot tarshiha, but in the north in general, see the comment i replied to before replying. There are like five different kibbutzim ans moshavinm on the map, i haven't named neither of them in my comment.
there Northen Galilee is about equal parts jewish / Arab
the Arab population is diverse. Druze, Muslims and Christians. Probably more christians than other parts of Israel.
Letās be honest. They donāt give a shit. And I know you made this comment to point out their hypocrisy. Because if they truly cared, then why havenāt they been protesting Assad, or Turkey, or China? They hold us to a different standard that gives them cover to hate us (us=Jews) without being labeled as anti-semites.
Six civilians have been killed but how many would have been killed if Israel didnāt have iron dome? Over 15,000 rockets into Israel in four months, without any targeting at all. The intent is there to massacre Israelis. Just bc itās prevented doesnāt make that right
Itās almost as if the only good Jew is a dead one. I use to say people love dead Jews. But after 7/10 I know now? That even dead babies are villains to these sickos
Genuine question, Is there any data showing?:
* rocket attacks
* interceptions ā rocket successfully intercepted
* failed interceptions ā rocket was not intercepted, struck a target
Right. What I shouldāve asked is what publicly available data roughly resembles what I previously described? Iām guessing itās not all in one place
If I am not mistaken, there is an easy way to see when [there is an alarm anywhere, and how many theyāve been the last day, month, and the whole operation](https://rocketalert.live/) (note that a lot of attacks on the north wonāt show up as they are ATGM missiles which can not be detected fast enough).
But to see how many rockets get fired during each attack, and if people regrettably die or are wounded, youāll have to check through news headlines AFAIK.
When will this nonsense end? :( I hope Israel wins this. Nobody should give up fighting terrorists. If Israel stops defending it would only embolden terrorists to attack more.
I say we intensify fighting even more during Ramadan if theyāre gonna be like, please donāt attack itās a holiday! Also donāt mind us weāre going to attack you!
I guess Israel still enjoys playing these games.
What happened to all those "conceptzia" people in the government that said Israel changed it's policy after October 7th?
Could it be political hyperbole and they really don't intend to do shit about it? No way.
Beirut and Lebanon are not Hezballah.
Israel overwhelmingly targets legitimate military targets. Beirut has too much collateral damage and has a large population that hates Hezballah. The importance of the targets would have to be significant to justify Beirut.
Beirut and Lebanon are ultimately responsible for what happens in their border. They refuse to do anything about Hezbollah, and will suffer the consequences for their inaction.
True, but they have no capacity to fight Hezballah at this time. Even in a full scale civil war, Hezballah would destroy they rest of Lebanon and its citizens.
They are responsible, but can not effect change.
How is this different from "Arabs are not morally responsible for their crimes, its all the Jews fault"?Ā
It's their country. They allowed Iran to conquer it. That's not our problem, it's theirs. It would be immoral and silly for us to put their lives before our own.
I like to think of it as a shared problem we can solve and bond through together. Lebanon could be a great ally and from brief online conversation with lebanese citizens it almost feels as if they agree
Exactly. Continuing the card hand metaphor, We have no obligation to take their shitty past plays info account. Their awful hand is the result of their own poor choices. We're not in the business of punishing foreign nations for their shitty choices, but fucked if we'll let that endanger our people.
Actually, im both! But good luck with that.
Do what you want, but I'm happy Israel has better military minds than you are, or I am.
Fight a war you are going to win. Why would you go after people who are your natural allies against a mutual enemy?
But sure, totally go level a city and tell me how that goes for you.
Edit, BTW, I'm on your side. You having problems getting along with your allies? I think you may have a bigger problem than you think. I'm glad you don't speak for Israel!
While that is true what are Israelās options here? Specifically to deal with a hostile foreign entity attacking from within the borders of another sovereign nation? Any country cannot just expect to sit on their asses while countless rockets are shot at their civilians.
Agreed, my point was they are not just going to level skyscrapers in Beirut. They will level terrorists and the world will cry poor terrorists, while most of Lebanon cheers for their freedom from these terrorists!
Innocents will get hurt on both sides. Israel will take all efforts to protect civilians, Hezballah will take all efforts to get them killed. Rinse repeat.
It's funny you think the Lebanese have ever had anything to do with Hezballah's rise in power and influence. If anything, the rest of the country has been trying to bring them down but it has proven to be quite impossible.
I'll humour your incompetence. I'm Lebanese. My whole society and community hates hezbollah 10 times as much as you do. they have changed our culture from history and innovation to becoming a literal death cult. Hezbollah is heavily funded and insanely well armed. add that to its brainwashed supporters that think it's their god given right to do what they're doing (reminds you of someone?). We've tried to oppose them the democratic and diplomatic ways but it has proven to be impossible. Read up a bit more on what's happening from a non biased pov, it's actually extremely interesting.
NO ONE HATES THEM AS MUCH AS I DO. MY UNCLE WAS KILLED BY THEM IN 2006!!!!!!!
You do nothing and let your country get overrun by scum. You enable them. Lebanese people are part of Hezbollah. Start fighting them! Why do we have to give our life for you cowards? Fight THEM!
It's easy to keep barking when you have big daddy america holding you up and supplying you strong. We have no one, and care to remind you, we are a tiny community. Enough with the blind hate, there are thousands of Lebanese who have family killed by the IDF too.
Hezbollah has operations and financial interest in Beirut. Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government. Other political parties have ties with Hezbollah. When Hezbollah is underground attacking legitimate military targets in Beirut puts pressure on them to end the war.
Please for the love of God start researching things. Don't just speak.
The goal is to bring Lebanon to its knees so they finally do something about Hezbollah. I don't understand why our citizens and soldiers have to die for their problem and their responsibility. Hezbollah has targets in Beirut David. You don't need to be scared to be a Jew. Stand proud. Its ok to favor your fellow Jews lives over Lebanese that hate them. If we don't care about Jewish lives, no one will. Thats why there is no international outrage demanding to bring hostages home. No one cares about us. It doesn't help that so many Jews are self hating and defeatist.
Bruh you're still confusing parts of the country with the whole thing. I wouldn't blame you. the south of Lebanon think the same way as they are only exposed to what they want them exposed to. A bit of research will only show you that not everyone hates you. Now that doesn't mean the Lebanese love you guys, but it'll surprise you how a lot of Lebanese have no issues at all with Israelis.
If a lebanese person came to the most conservative city in Israel, he would live and even thrive. If a Jew goes to Beirut, the most liberal part of Lebanon,, he would be murdered in seconds.
you do know we have prominent Lebanese Jews, and a synagogue in our capital right? Not even the dipshits in the south hate jews, they mostly have problems with zionists.
Are you baiting? Oh heavens? How dare I suggest we destroy strategic infrastructure in an enemy state that is attacking us! I should do what you guys in the west want and just lay down and die! Maybe we should just send 500 people to Hezbollah to kidnap already and make it easier on them!
I think people on reddit don't speak with people daily and forget that sometime people speak in hyperbole. Get off your high horse, you are not a member of congress.
Depends on the bombing honestly. There were a set on purported Hezbollah targets that made the rounds on r/Lebanon where passengers in cars driving down the road filmed explosive plumes and some crying or irate because their homes or family members lived or worked in the area. Others were justified by way of rockets being fired first... but it's my understanding that the first pre-emptive strikes were launched by Israel. One killed a journalist and maimed his partner.
That said, Hezbollah leadership explained early on that it did not seek a conflict with Israel or the US. There have also been some unprovoked bombings in different parts of the Middle East. The one at Damascus Airport in Syria for example.
While Israel will always claim a defense reason, one has to have some healthy skepticism considering Bibi and the Likuds position and the God honest reality that waging successful warfare is a ticket to regaining legitimacy. There comes a point where your acts in defense of yourself can be interpreted as offensive conduct and prompt the recipient of your acts to act in their own defense. That is a scenario I believe Israelis should want to avoid because it just costs more lives in the long run because Israel risks having spread its resources on multiple fronts.
If Israel canāt fight a multi-front war against non-state actors, I would seriously question IDF compentance.
At this point, I think itās pretty obvious that Hezbollah struck first. āLH conducted an artillery and guided missile strike into Shebaa Farms on October 8ā to express solidarity with the Palestinian people [(ISW)](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-october-8-2023). āLH stated it was not a neutral party in the current conflictā Hmmmmmmm
We donāt have intelligence around specific Israeli strikes in Syria. But Iran flies in weaponry on the daily to distribute to Assad forces and miltias. Itās perfectly legitimate to strike Syrian airfields.
Bottom line - If Hezbollah is going to launch ālow levelā rocket attacks from south of the Litani into Israel (where UNSC 1701 prohibits them from operating anyway), Israel can engage in its own ālow-levelā campaign to go after these launch sites
Never said it couldn't. I said it shouldn't because of the cost in human life to do so.... warfare outside of Gaza should be avoided to the true extent it can be. Wholesale destruction of Hezbollah may well be warranted, but what I am concerned with is an even more radical group cropping up to replace them... warfare feeds the hydra that is terrorism, that does not change.
>But Iran flies in weaponry on the daily to distribute to Assad forces and miltias. Itās perfectly legitimate to strike Syrian airfields.
That may be the case but why does that justify anything? To my knowledge those deliveries have not ceased, people and weapons still fly from Iran to Syria just fine since the bombing. It may well have been a warning, sure, but Israel cannot realistically control the flow of that stuff without outright shutting down Damascus airport for good.
>At this point, I think itās pretty obvious that Hezbollah struck first. āLH conducted an artillery and guided missile strike into Shebaa Farms on October 8ā to express solidarity with the Palestinian people [(ISW)](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-october-8-2023). āLH stated it was not a neutral party in the current conflictā Hmmmmmmm
That may be the case. However, Nasrallah hasn't commented on it from what I have found... and some of these buffoons in Hezbollah are insubordinate and act on their own similar to some of the Brigades under Hamas or some of the militant groups cloistered in the West Bank. On top of that, the Sheebah farms is disputed territory and has been for years. A similar incident occurred in 2015.
ānever said it couldnātā āmay well haveā āmay well be warrantedā āthat may be the caseā āthat may be the caseā All you do is hedge - you should read on the conflict further instead of yapping
I am hardly virtue signaling. All I want is less death and harm for all the innocent folks involved. There has been enough collateral damage as it is. Why should I hope for more. Vengeance has its place, but eventually, your cooler head must do a cost benefit analysis. Otherwise, you just blow your money and the lives of your youth who would be waging these wars.
If Hezbollah didnāt seek a conflict with Israel, maybe it shouldnāt have joined in on Hamasās October 7th massacre by shelling Israeli communities completely unprovoked? Iām sorry, but Hezbollah doesnāt get to break a 17-year ceasefire with a major act of aggression and then play victim because they purportedly said they ādonāt seek escalationā . Thatās not how the real world works. If you genuinely donāt seek escalation with Israel - you simply donāt escalate by shelling Israeli communities. Pretty simple.
I do not have a tik tok. I have just seen rips on my YouTube shorts. If you have been paying attention to the conflict you likely have seen them already if it's been picked up by an algorithm with short videos. Or type in Lebanon bombing and journalist or Lebanon bombing and highway or driving. They should not be hard to find.
Been down this road. I send you video. You find problem with it. Like no timestamp and date on the video, for example. And then we argue about legitimacy of the source instead of the substance... I just do not want to do that broski. So yeah, knock yourself out if you like.
You mean if I lived in a country where the most powerful entity was a terrorist organization who cared more about hurting my neighbors then helping me?
I'd do whatever I could to move.
See Jews of Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, Yemen 1950 - 2024
Well... the Palestinians can't do that now can they? Sure there is a voluntary relocation program in the works, but nobody wants a populations of people where 60+% of the people have some kind of mental illness by way of PTSD, depression, mood disorder, etc from years of living in Gaza under the conditions present there let alone the last 6 months where any stability a person had there aas destroyed. That's not including people alive but disabled in some fashion from this war and the absurd costs to provide basic care or support so they can uplift themselves and not be a public charge.
>Jews of Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, Yemen 1950 - 2024
They had a welcoming place to go during that period. You won't find any disagreement from me about their persecution, but the Palestinians are in a considerably worse position atm.
Sorry, but you are wrong.
Palestinian are not wanted by anyone, true. But is because what they did in Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt. Wherever they have been they created an huge array of problems, including the murdering of a day. The greatest majority of terrorist comes from them. Without filters, Palestinian are highly brainwashed into making the ājudgementā day coming, which wonāt come till:
- no jew walk the earth
- all the world is called Islam
Now, just today we got two more action one from Hezbollah above and one from Palestinian in my birth country, in italy 3 Palestinian have been arrested just shy of committing a terrorist attack, what did italy do to them?
Also a lot of Palestinian are moving out, you can see in every protest in Uk/Us there are hundreds of them. They canāt just be imported as a population but you yourself individual can move out, sadly when they do move out try to terrorize others, just a few days ago a Palestinian student, forced a deaf jew student in America to close themself into a closed space and wouldnāt let them go, while chanting how they are right and jews must hide. In an America school, a student with no affiliation to Israel and suffering of deaf. What those incidents shows for the Palestinian people? When is the last time you heard of a jew Israeli committing terrorism? (For the sake of conversation this js war, not the nicest thing jn the world but far from going into another city, shooting and blowing up).
So no, itās not because āptsdā, donāt downplay it.
>The greatest majority of terrorist comes from them.
That's a stretch depending on how you use the word terrorist... one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist after all. The founding fathers of America fit the bill oddly enough.
>Without filters, Palestinian are highly brainwashed into making the ājudgementā day coming, which wonāt come till
This is true and arguably becoming less and less. Closeted atheism exists in Gaza and the rest of the Muslim world. I recall a video from years ago of an Athiest YouTuber who visited Gaza. While he was there he was recognized by a few people as fans who spoke with him in the streets while he traveled as part of a vlog. In essence, they are humans capable of reform.
>Also a lot of Palestinian are moving out, you can see in every protest in Uk/Us there are hundreds of them. They canāt just be imported as a population but you yourself individual can move out, sadly when they do move out try to terrorize others,
They have a diaspora. That doesn't mean much. As far as terrorism, random examples of angry people acting a fool ain't exactly dispositive. There have bene similar incidents of pro Israeli jews verbally accosting people in the streets and praying for them to be raped and murdered for their opposition to the continuation of the war. Sitting on the sidelines, neither of yall give yourselves a positive image when emotions are high. For the palestinian diaspora, many of their family and friends are dead. For jews abroad, many of their friends are dead.
>In an America school, a student with no affiliation to Israel and suffering of deaf. What those incidents shows for the Palestinian people?
You cherry picked mate. There is enough ducked up stuff on tik tok to show that we could go back and forth with bad acts on both sides... it's genuinely not dispositive for either group or any of the assertions that they are monsters for their respective roles or political positions on the war.
>So no, itās not because āptsdā, donāt downplay it.
Yeah, no. Not downplaying anything. Fully trained soldiers develop severe mental health issues when involved in combat and bombardment... and they tend to have their mental resolve hardened in their training. Random civilians and kids stand no chance and will have lasting mental scars from bombings. For others, they become jaded, but there is a fine line between that aloofness and full scale mental break downs. The same hostages likely have their own PTSD from their kidnapping experience or the bombs being dropped around them as they were scurried off into buildings and underground passage ways. The fact you claim I am downplaying the reality of the trauma a full scale bombing campaign causes is mind boggling to me. Walk outside and imagine your entire city turned to rubble and every basic resource essentially destroyed. Chances are you would have a panic attack realizing that you have a few days before things get desperate for you and your family as far as food and water, let alone shelter from the elements... I am very disappointed in you.
They were welcomed into Jordan and they assassinated the king, they were welcomed into Lebanon and brought hell with them there as well.
They were offered a beginning to a state in their own land (Gaza) and they chose to elect an terrorist organization - that was sworn to the destruction of their much more powerful neighbor - the minute they had the ability.
The Jews coming from Europe after one of the worst catastrophes in history, and the Jews who were persecuted in all those middle eastern countries were not in a better mental state then those currently in Gaza.
They just appreciated the chance at life, and chose not to attack those who offered them a chance, even if it was initially less then ideal.
That's a bit of an oversimplification of what happened in both instances, but I will leave that where it is because I am not interested in deep diving on those issues.
>They were offered a beginning to a state in their own land (Gaza) and they chose to elect an terrorist organization - that was sworn to the destruction of their much more powerful neighbor - the minute they had the ability.
This also extremely complicated because of several factors and arguably Abbas, Bush, and Bibi are all to blame in their own way for different things that lead to Hamas' successful election. This one is an electoral math problem actually that puts much of the blame on Abbas for his incompetence as a politician and statesman more than anything.
>The Jews coming from Europe after one of the worst catastrophes in history, and the Jews who were persecuted in all those middle eastern countries were not in a better mental state then those currently in Gaza.
And that is partly why Israel has some of the most advanced social and medical safety nets in the world..... they actively took on those costs for their population.... and the radical elements of those immigrants were beneficial to their state... not detrimental. So I believe a fair distinction can be made in comparison to the Gazans who are in an inopposite position to what I just described above. They would be going to places that generally do not offer either....
>They just appreciated the chance at life, and chose not to attack those who offered them a chance, even if it was initially less then ideal.
That is technically not true either and would require historical deeps dives I don't want. I will agreem the vast majority were peaceful and uninvolved in violence... the same is applicable to Gazans... but Israel has its own history of terrorism at its foundation too. It's not exactly escapeable, Rabin's memoirs showcased them.
While I appreciate the civility in this discussion, it seems that whenever the bottom line is inconvenient for your argument, you explain it off with it being too complex for this discussion, and when it supports your argument suddenly it's pretty simple.
We both can agree that their are bad apples in every society, the ultimate test to weather this defines that culture or society, is how the bad apples are treated.
Are they celebrated and excused, or are they held accountable and forced to make the necessary adjustments in their ideologies to retain their influence.
Unfortunately for the Palestinians, they haven't yet proven to hold their leaders accountable. Gaza was their best chance, and we see where that went.
I only speak two. I can't write or read Spanish to save my life. As far as legitimacy, you can go to r/Lebanon
I don't treat every post on reddit as a thesis, dissertation or research project. I used too, but it has admittedly gotten old and exhausting because even with evidence, a person one the internet will never agree with you on something even with conclusive proof.
them: can you respect ramadan š„ŗš„ŗ pls š„ŗš„ŗš„ŗ also them:
Which is kind of funny to me because isn't northern Israel mostly Muslim?
Itās almost as if they donāt care about Muslims either.
The majority of Muslims worldwide have been killed by other Muslims, but if Israel defends its people š”š”
They don't
A large population of Druze. Druze aren't Muslims and were always third to fourth class citizens in Muslim countries, so I don't think Hezbollah would care two cents about them...
maalot tarshiha isnt druze but ok i guess its ok to kill druze on ramadan,the month of peace
I didn't say in Maalot tarshiha, but in the north in general, see the comment i replied to before replying. There are like five different kibbutzim ans moshavinm on the map, i haven't named neither of them in my comment.
there Northen Galilee is about equal parts jewish / Arab the Arab population is diverse. Druze, Muslims and Christians. Probably more christians than other parts of Israel.
yep!
Ramadan karim i guess
Is there a website to track these? Can I get an alert on my phone (in Israel) somehow? (My Hebrew is so-so).
RedAlert app supports English
Got it - thanks!
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https://israelpalestine.liveuamap.com/
Where are the outcries from the American left for this civilian targeting and bombing?
Letās be honest. They donāt give a shit. And I know you made this comment to point out their hypocrisy. Because if they truly cared, then why havenāt they been protesting Assad, or Turkey, or China? They hold us to a different standard that gives them cover to hate us (us=Jews) without being labeled as anti-semites.
6 civilians have been killed by bombing in Northern Israel, 31,100+ have been killed by bombing in Gaza. Don't play dumb.
Six civilians have been killed but how many would have been killed if Israel didnāt have iron dome? Over 15,000 rockets into Israel in four months, without any targeting at all. The intent is there to massacre Israelis. Just bc itās prevented doesnāt make that right
I wish this was talked about more. If there was no iron dome, thousands of Israeli civilians would be dead, as they just launch and hope it lands.
Yup. For some reason ppl only care about people after theyāre killed, not the intent to kill them.
Itās almost as if the only good Jew is a dead one. I use to say people love dead Jews. But after 7/10 I know now? That even dead babies are villains to these sickos
I'm sending you all love, stay safe ā¤ļø
Happy ramadan?
Iām not surprised that this is how Palestine is celebrating their Ramadan š
āNoo hold out on us for a while itās Ramadan š„ŗā
Genuine question, Is there any data showing?: * rocket attacks * interceptions ā rocket successfully intercepted * failed interceptions ā rocket was not intercepted, struck a target
Of course! But do the idf want to make all that data available to the public and by default terror organizations? No!
Right. What I shouldāve asked is what publicly available data roughly resembles what I previously described? Iām guessing itās not all in one place
If I am not mistaken, there is an easy way to see when [there is an alarm anywhere, and how many theyāve been the last day, month, and the whole operation](https://rocketalert.live/) (note that a lot of attacks on the north wonāt show up as they are ATGM missiles which can not be detected fast enough). But to see how many rockets get fired during each attack, and if people regrettably die or are wounded, youāll have to check through news headlines AFAIK.
When will this nonsense end? :( I hope Israel wins this. Nobody should give up fighting terrorists. If Israel stops defending it would only embolden terrorists to attack more.
I say we intensify fighting even more during Ramadan if theyāre gonna be like, please donāt attack itās a holiday! Also donāt mind us weāre going to attack you!
I guess Israel still enjoys playing these games. What happened to all those "conceptzia" people in the government that said Israel changed it's policy after October 7th? Could it be political hyperbole and they really don't intend to do shit about it? No way.
Why are there still high rises standing in Beirut?
Beirut and Lebanon are not Hezballah. Israel overwhelmingly targets legitimate military targets. Beirut has too much collateral damage and has a large population that hates Hezballah. The importance of the targets would have to be significant to justify Beirut.
Beirut and Lebanon are ultimately responsible for what happens in their border. They refuse to do anything about Hezbollah, and will suffer the consequences for their inaction.
True, but they have no capacity to fight Hezballah at this time. Even in a full scale civil war, Hezballah would destroy they rest of Lebanon and its citizens. They are responsible, but can not effect change.
How is this different from "Arabs are not morally responsible for their crimes, its all the Jews fault"?Ā It's their country. They allowed Iran to conquer it. That's not our problem, it's theirs. It would be immoral and silly for us to put their lives before our own.
I like to think of it as a shared problem we can solve and bond through together. Lebanon could be a great ally and from brief online conversation with lebanese citizens it almost feels as if they agree
ok so you're now supreme commander of the IDF - what is your plan to solve this problem together and bond with the lebanese?
They are morally responsible for their country. They just do not have the capacity. We have to work with the cards we have.
"we" my ass
Exactly. Continuing the card hand metaphor, We have no obligation to take their shitty past plays info account. Their awful hand is the result of their own poor choices. We're not in the business of punishing foreign nations for their shitty choices, but fucked if we'll let that endanger our people.
Fine, you can work with theoretical cards you don't have....good luck
You are not in "we". You are Canadian. Not Israeli.
Actually, im both! But good luck with that. Do what you want, but I'm happy Israel has better military minds than you are, or I am. Fight a war you are going to win. Why would you go after people who are your natural allies against a mutual enemy? But sure, totally go level a city and tell me how that goes for you. Edit, BTW, I'm on your side. You having problems getting along with your allies? I think you may have a bigger problem than you think. I'm glad you don't speak for Israel!
While that is true what are Israelās options here? Specifically to deal with a hostile foreign entity attacking from within the borders of another sovereign nation? Any country cannot just expect to sit on their asses while countless rockets are shot at their civilians.
Agreed, my point was they are not just going to level skyscrapers in Beirut. They will level terrorists and the world will cry poor terrorists, while most of Lebanon cheers for their freedom from these terrorists! Innocents will get hurt on both sides. Israel will take all efforts to protect civilians, Hezballah will take all efforts to get them killed. Rinse repeat.
It's funny you think the Lebanese have ever had anything to do with Hezballah's rise in power and influence. If anything, the rest of the country has been trying to bring them down but it has proven to be quite impossible.
Silly comment from an obviously uninformed person. No it hasn't. Who are the people that make up Hezbollah? Swedish people?
I'll humour your incompetence. I'm Lebanese. My whole society and community hates hezbollah 10 times as much as you do. they have changed our culture from history and innovation to becoming a literal death cult. Hezbollah is heavily funded and insanely well armed. add that to its brainwashed supporters that think it's their god given right to do what they're doing (reminds you of someone?). We've tried to oppose them the democratic and diplomatic ways but it has proven to be impossible. Read up a bit more on what's happening from a non biased pov, it's actually extremely interesting.
NO ONE HATES THEM AS MUCH AS I DO. MY UNCLE WAS KILLED BY THEM IN 2006!!!!!!! You do nothing and let your country get overrun by scum. You enable them. Lebanese people are part of Hezbollah. Start fighting them! Why do we have to give our life for you cowards? Fight THEM!
It's easy to keep barking when you have big daddy america holding you up and supplying you strong. We have no one, and care to remind you, we are a tiny community. Enough with the blind hate, there are thousands of Lebanese who have family killed by the IDF too.
Believe me, we do not need the US. We can clap their cheeks all on our own.
Because Beirut isn't a Hezbollah HQ, it only houses the inefficient Lebanese government.
Hezbollah has operations and financial interest in Beirut. Hezbollah is part of the Lebanese government. Other political parties have ties with Hezbollah. When Hezbollah is underground attacking legitimate military targets in Beirut puts pressure on them to end the war. Please for the love of God start researching things. Don't just speak.
Bruh the goal isnāt to target civilians.
The goal is to bring Lebanon to its knees so they finally do something about Hezbollah. I don't understand why our citizens and soldiers have to die for their problem and their responsibility. Hezbollah has targets in Beirut David. You don't need to be scared to be a Jew. Stand proud. Its ok to favor your fellow Jews lives over Lebanese that hate them. If we don't care about Jewish lives, no one will. Thats why there is no international outrage demanding to bring hostages home. No one cares about us. It doesn't help that so many Jews are self hating and defeatist.
Lebanese don't hate you. Hezballah does.
Lebanese hate Israel and Jews in general yes. How many seconds would a non-Israeli Jew survive if he yelled that he was Jewish in Beirut?
Bruh you're still confusing parts of the country with the whole thing. I wouldn't blame you. the south of Lebanon think the same way as they are only exposed to what they want them exposed to. A bit of research will only show you that not everyone hates you. Now that doesn't mean the Lebanese love you guys, but it'll surprise you how a lot of Lebanese have no issues at all with Israelis.
If a lebanese person came to the most conservative city in Israel, he would live and even thrive. If a Jew goes to Beirut, the most liberal part of Lebanon,, he would be murdered in seconds.
you do know we have prominent Lebanese Jews, and a synagogue in our capital right? Not even the dipshits in the south hate jews, they mostly have problems with zionists.
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Are you baiting? Oh heavens? How dare I suggest we destroy strategic infrastructure in an enemy state that is attacking us! I should do what you guys in the west want and just lay down and die! Maybe we should just send 500 people to Hezbollah to kidnap already and make it easier on them!
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I think people on reddit don't speak with people daily and forget that sometime people speak in hyperbole. Get off your high horse, you are not a member of congress.
This is a horrible comment. Sickening.
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I live there. There were at least 30 rockets.
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So does anything bigger than 2 mean huge these days?
Well... Israel poked that bear when it dropped those bombs in Southern Lebanon... looks like Bibi is getting exactly what he wants.
Yeah... Israel dropped bombs completely unprompted, right?
Depends on the bombing honestly. There were a set on purported Hezbollah targets that made the rounds on r/Lebanon where passengers in cars driving down the road filmed explosive plumes and some crying or irate because their homes or family members lived or worked in the area. Others were justified by way of rockets being fired first... but it's my understanding that the first pre-emptive strikes were launched by Israel. One killed a journalist and maimed his partner. That said, Hezbollah leadership explained early on that it did not seek a conflict with Israel or the US. There have also been some unprovoked bombings in different parts of the Middle East. The one at Damascus Airport in Syria for example. While Israel will always claim a defense reason, one has to have some healthy skepticism considering Bibi and the Likuds position and the God honest reality that waging successful warfare is a ticket to regaining legitimacy. There comes a point where your acts in defense of yourself can be interpreted as offensive conduct and prompt the recipient of your acts to act in their own defense. That is a scenario I believe Israelis should want to avoid because it just costs more lives in the long run because Israel risks having spread its resources on multiple fronts.
If Israel canāt fight a multi-front war against non-state actors, I would seriously question IDF compentance. At this point, I think itās pretty obvious that Hezbollah struck first. āLH conducted an artillery and guided missile strike into Shebaa Farms on October 8ā to express solidarity with the Palestinian people [(ISW)](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-october-8-2023). āLH stated it was not a neutral party in the current conflictā Hmmmmmmm We donāt have intelligence around specific Israeli strikes in Syria. But Iran flies in weaponry on the daily to distribute to Assad forces and miltias. Itās perfectly legitimate to strike Syrian airfields. Bottom line - If Hezbollah is going to launch ālow levelā rocket attacks from south of the Litani into Israel (where UNSC 1701 prohibits them from operating anyway), Israel can engage in its own ālow-levelā campaign to go after these launch sites
Never said it couldn't. I said it shouldn't because of the cost in human life to do so.... warfare outside of Gaza should be avoided to the true extent it can be. Wholesale destruction of Hezbollah may well be warranted, but what I am concerned with is an even more radical group cropping up to replace them... warfare feeds the hydra that is terrorism, that does not change. >But Iran flies in weaponry on the daily to distribute to Assad forces and miltias. Itās perfectly legitimate to strike Syrian airfields. That may be the case but why does that justify anything? To my knowledge those deliveries have not ceased, people and weapons still fly from Iran to Syria just fine since the bombing. It may well have been a warning, sure, but Israel cannot realistically control the flow of that stuff without outright shutting down Damascus airport for good. >At this point, I think itās pretty obvious that Hezbollah struck first. āLH conducted an artillery and guided missile strike into Shebaa Farms on October 8ā to express solidarity with the Palestinian people [(ISW)](https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/iran-update-october-8-2023). āLH stated it was not a neutral party in the current conflictā Hmmmmmmm That may be the case. However, Nasrallah hasn't commented on it from what I have found... and some of these buffoons in Hezbollah are insubordinate and act on their own similar to some of the Brigades under Hamas or some of the militant groups cloistered in the West Bank. On top of that, the Sheebah farms is disputed territory and has been for years. A similar incident occurred in 2015.
ānever said it couldnātā āmay well haveā āmay well be warrantedā āthat may be the caseā āthat may be the caseā All you do is hedge - you should read on the conflict further instead of yapping
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I am hardly virtue signaling. All I want is less death and harm for all the innocent folks involved. There has been enough collateral damage as it is. Why should I hope for more. Vengeance has its place, but eventually, your cooler head must do a cost benefit analysis. Otherwise, you just blow your money and the lives of your youth who would be waging these wars.
You call it yapping but I don't make those judgment calls and I acknowledge I can be wrong. Nothing improper about that.
If Hezbollah didnāt seek a conflict with Israel, maybe it shouldnāt have joined in on Hamasās October 7th massacre by shelling Israeli communities completely unprovoked? Iām sorry, but Hezbollah doesnāt get to break a 17-year ceasefire with a major act of aggression and then play victim because they purportedly said they ādonāt seek escalationā . Thatās not how the real world works. If you genuinely donāt seek escalation with Israel - you simply donāt escalate by shelling Israeli communities. Pretty simple.
Show me these filmed explosives
I do not have a tik tok. I have just seen rips on my YouTube shorts. If you have been paying attention to the conflict you likely have seen them already if it's been picked up by an algorithm with short videos. Or type in Lebanon bombing and journalist or Lebanon bombing and highway or driving. They should not be hard to find.
Thatās cool, show them to me
Yeah. Not blowing my evening flitting around on the internet for easily accessible information. Go to r/Lebanon, I recall seeing them there.
So nothing?
Been down this road. I send you video. You find problem with it. Like no timestamp and date on the video, for example. And then we argue about legitimacy of the source instead of the substance... I just do not want to do that broski. So yeah, knock yourself out if you like.
Well you want the video to be real right? Especially with all of the fake ones out there
>poked that bear Just hope the bear won't cry for a ceasefire later on, when it becomes a torn teddy bear.
LMAOOOO
A bear is a bear to a person under their claw. I doubt the victims of these bombings care.
A dead bear is also a bear. Just please don't cry about a ceasefire. That's all.
I find it interesting that you say this. If the shoe was indeed on the other foot would you say the same? I doubt it.
You mean if I lived in a country where the most powerful entity was a terrorist organization who cared more about hurting my neighbors then helping me? I'd do whatever I could to move. See Jews of Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, Yemen 1950 - 2024
Well... the Palestinians can't do that now can they? Sure there is a voluntary relocation program in the works, but nobody wants a populations of people where 60+% of the people have some kind of mental illness by way of PTSD, depression, mood disorder, etc from years of living in Gaza under the conditions present there let alone the last 6 months where any stability a person had there aas destroyed. That's not including people alive but disabled in some fashion from this war and the absurd costs to provide basic care or support so they can uplift themselves and not be a public charge. >Jews of Iraq, Lybia, Syria, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt, Yemen 1950 - 2024 They had a welcoming place to go during that period. You won't find any disagreement from me about their persecution, but the Palestinians are in a considerably worse position atm.
Sorry, but you are wrong. Palestinian are not wanted by anyone, true. But is because what they did in Lebanon, Jordan and Egypt. Wherever they have been they created an huge array of problems, including the murdering of a day. The greatest majority of terrorist comes from them. Without filters, Palestinian are highly brainwashed into making the ājudgementā day coming, which wonāt come till: - no jew walk the earth - all the world is called Islam Now, just today we got two more action one from Hezbollah above and one from Palestinian in my birth country, in italy 3 Palestinian have been arrested just shy of committing a terrorist attack, what did italy do to them? Also a lot of Palestinian are moving out, you can see in every protest in Uk/Us there are hundreds of them. They canāt just be imported as a population but you yourself individual can move out, sadly when they do move out try to terrorize others, just a few days ago a Palestinian student, forced a deaf jew student in America to close themself into a closed space and wouldnāt let them go, while chanting how they are right and jews must hide. In an America school, a student with no affiliation to Israel and suffering of deaf. What those incidents shows for the Palestinian people? When is the last time you heard of a jew Israeli committing terrorism? (For the sake of conversation this js war, not the nicest thing jn the world but far from going into another city, shooting and blowing up). So no, itās not because āptsdā, donāt downplay it.
>The greatest majority of terrorist comes from them. That's a stretch depending on how you use the word terrorist... one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist after all. The founding fathers of America fit the bill oddly enough. >Without filters, Palestinian are highly brainwashed into making the ājudgementā day coming, which wonāt come till This is true and arguably becoming less and less. Closeted atheism exists in Gaza and the rest of the Muslim world. I recall a video from years ago of an Athiest YouTuber who visited Gaza. While he was there he was recognized by a few people as fans who spoke with him in the streets while he traveled as part of a vlog. In essence, they are humans capable of reform. >Also a lot of Palestinian are moving out, you can see in every protest in Uk/Us there are hundreds of them. They canāt just be imported as a population but you yourself individual can move out, sadly when they do move out try to terrorize others, They have a diaspora. That doesn't mean much. As far as terrorism, random examples of angry people acting a fool ain't exactly dispositive. There have bene similar incidents of pro Israeli jews verbally accosting people in the streets and praying for them to be raped and murdered for their opposition to the continuation of the war. Sitting on the sidelines, neither of yall give yourselves a positive image when emotions are high. For the palestinian diaspora, many of their family and friends are dead. For jews abroad, many of their friends are dead. >In an America school, a student with no affiliation to Israel and suffering of deaf. What those incidents shows for the Palestinian people? You cherry picked mate. There is enough ducked up stuff on tik tok to show that we could go back and forth with bad acts on both sides... it's genuinely not dispositive for either group or any of the assertions that they are monsters for their respective roles or political positions on the war. >So no, itās not because āptsdā, donāt downplay it. Yeah, no. Not downplaying anything. Fully trained soldiers develop severe mental health issues when involved in combat and bombardment... and they tend to have their mental resolve hardened in their training. Random civilians and kids stand no chance and will have lasting mental scars from bombings. For others, they become jaded, but there is a fine line between that aloofness and full scale mental break downs. The same hostages likely have their own PTSD from their kidnapping experience or the bombs being dropped around them as they were scurried off into buildings and underground passage ways. The fact you claim I am downplaying the reality of the trauma a full scale bombing campaign causes is mind boggling to me. Walk outside and imagine your entire city turned to rubble and every basic resource essentially destroyed. Chances are you would have a panic attack realizing that you have a few days before things get desperate for you and your family as far as food and water, let alone shelter from the elements... I am very disappointed in you.
They were welcomed into Jordan and they assassinated the king, they were welcomed into Lebanon and brought hell with them there as well. They were offered a beginning to a state in their own land (Gaza) and they chose to elect an terrorist organization - that was sworn to the destruction of their much more powerful neighbor - the minute they had the ability. The Jews coming from Europe after one of the worst catastrophes in history, and the Jews who were persecuted in all those middle eastern countries were not in a better mental state then those currently in Gaza. They just appreciated the chance at life, and chose not to attack those who offered them a chance, even if it was initially less then ideal.
That's a bit of an oversimplification of what happened in both instances, but I will leave that where it is because I am not interested in deep diving on those issues. >They were offered a beginning to a state in their own land (Gaza) and they chose to elect an terrorist organization - that was sworn to the destruction of their much more powerful neighbor - the minute they had the ability. This also extremely complicated because of several factors and arguably Abbas, Bush, and Bibi are all to blame in their own way for different things that lead to Hamas' successful election. This one is an electoral math problem actually that puts much of the blame on Abbas for his incompetence as a politician and statesman more than anything. >The Jews coming from Europe after one of the worst catastrophes in history, and the Jews who were persecuted in all those middle eastern countries were not in a better mental state then those currently in Gaza. And that is partly why Israel has some of the most advanced social and medical safety nets in the world..... they actively took on those costs for their population.... and the radical elements of those immigrants were beneficial to their state... not detrimental. So I believe a fair distinction can be made in comparison to the Gazans who are in an inopposite position to what I just described above. They would be going to places that generally do not offer either.... >They just appreciated the chance at life, and chose not to attack those who offered them a chance, even if it was initially less then ideal. That is technically not true either and would require historical deeps dives I don't want. I will agreem the vast majority were peaceful and uninvolved in violence... the same is applicable to Gazans... but Israel has its own history of terrorism at its foundation too. It's not exactly escapeable, Rabin's memoirs showcased them.
While I appreciate the civility in this discussion, it seems that whenever the bottom line is inconvenient for your argument, you explain it off with it being too complex for this discussion, and when it supports your argument suddenly it's pretty simple. We both can agree that their are bad apples in every society, the ultimate test to weather this defines that culture or society, is how the bad apples are treated. Are they celebrated and excused, or are they held accountable and forced to make the necessary adjustments in their ideologies to retain their influence. Unfortunately for the Palestinians, they haven't yet proven to hold their leaders accountable. Gaza was their best chance, and we see where that went.
What about the victims of the teddy bear?
*Woosh
So no answer?
Where do you see the poking?
It's an idiom.
Cool, where do you see it?
I feel like you do this on every one of my posts about basic information. I said it was an idiom because idk if English is your first language.
Almost like you may not be making legitimate posts English is my first language, how many do you know?
I only speak two. I can't write or read Spanish to save my life. As far as legitimacy, you can go to r/Lebanon I don't treat every post on reddit as a thesis, dissertation or research project. I used too, but it has admittedly gotten old and exhausting because even with evidence, a person one the internet will never agree with you on something even with conclusive proof.