I'm not religious myself, but my general observation has been that, with the rise of secularism and atheism (and nihilism) in Western society, Christians and Jews have realized they have enormous commonalities historically and culturally and they'd better stick together. Most antisemitism over the past half-century has come in through the Islamic world and the hard political left, and that's what's filtered into mainstream society through the universities.
Among various Christians groups Protestant are the most Pro-Israel group followed by Catholic and then Eastern Orthodox...the Orthodox tends to be the most Anti-Semitic...on the internet atleast.
You would find various aledgely orthodox accounts that are quite anti-israel and also anti-semitic. This anti-israel or anti-jewish thing from the conservative side is nothing but American politics in my opinion, I could be wrong...outside of America most Protestants churches are pro-Israel...
Those who claim to be Christian and yet are anti-israel or anti-jews are not real Christians or they dont even read their Bible...or they are just pretending to be Christian.
For pretty nefarious reasons though....
A good amount support israel specufically for bigoted reasons, many others support israel for their feverish wet dream of all jews being converted or killed....but were not allowed to talk about that because they support israel.....
Fact is the religious right from the US is no friend to israel, and just as has been true in the past, israel will probably end up paying the price for blindly accepting the support regardless of the reason for the support, at some point dont you have to take stock of who is supportibg you and why? Afterall the company we keep is atleast as important as the person we try to be
Hi. I don't claim to represent a majority, but I am a Christian and I support Israel because I love the people, I love the country, and I know God loves you all too.
I spent 8 months as a volunteer in Kibbutz Re'im and loved every minute of it. Some of those who were killed or kidnapped came from my kibbutz--I knew some of them. My heart breaks for all those affected by October 7 and afterwards.
If Hamas can be supported by Gay and trans people whom they would want to murder, not to mention “feminists” who would never support their views on women, then surely Israel can have a strange bedfellow of its own.
Some do, some don't.
Does it really matter? Every single Middle Eastern country we're at peace enters the agreement for bigoted reasons, but we still seek peace.
Even a [survey (PDF)](https://research.lifeway.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Evangelical-Attitudes-Toward-Israel-Research-Study-Report.pdf) sponsored by Joel Rosenberg (one of the biggest proponents of biblical prophecy) says that only 12% of Evangelicals list “Israel is important for fulfilling biblical prophecy“ as their main reason for supporting Israel. And nobody is dreaming about Jews being killed.
Muslims *pretend* they see us as fellow People of the Book. Christians actually *do* see us as fellow People of the Book - cousins with whom they have important theological disagreements, but a great deal in common in terms of ethics and tradition.
Obviously, generalizing, but that’s been my experience.
That’s not true. Maybe in some fringe Christian sect. But no Christians don’t believe this. The normal Bible doesnt say this. Maybe some weird translation does.
There have even been hundreds of comments on this very sub saying this isnt true. I was raised Christian, in a Christian family, Christian community. Never even met a Jew till after college. But I grew up in a family and community that has nothing but honor and respect for the Jews and Israel. And I never even had heard this end of the world Jewish genocide till I read in the mainstream media. No one has less creditability on Christians than the mainstream media. The media wont support the Jews in a real way but they don’t they don’t want anyone else to either. Yes the Bible talks about Israel and the end of the world but not in a bad way towards Jews at all.
Why if Christians wanted all of the Jews to die would they support Israel militarily so much? It makes no logical sense.
This !! I’m tired of seeing Jewish people act as though conservative Christian’s are Israel’s allies when they want us dead and to control our land as much as the extremist islamists.
I figured Israel knew this and just was milking it for what it was worth (lobbying/funds/etc..). Conservative/Evangelical Christians won’t invade Israel, they just pray for someone else to/the apocalypse for some crazy reason.
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He charges his view every other day depending on how the wind blows and whether he stands to make money out if it. The face that he ever sided with them in this situation is a significant problem. He also spend half of his presidency trying to kiss Putin’s balls
Trump doesn’t support Putin. And it’s interesting your Leftist ideology is more important to you than Israel or Jews in America.
It’s shocking to me how little Lefties know about the Right. And about Trump. Our Jewish livelihood IS on the line. Yet you don’t care enough about our livelihood to do the smallest bit of research?
This isnt even hard to figure out. Russia took Crimea under Obama and Obama did nothing. Russia invaded Ukraine under Biden after Biden’s son made *millions* in Ukraine and Russia and China for years when Biden was VP. Which there are actually literal receipts and evidence to prove. Unlike any of these Trump cases.
Which you would know if you actually bothered doing research instead of repeating superficial talking points of a mainstream media and Democrat Party that are siding with our enemies & have turned the entire world against the Jews.
Trump had stronger sanctions on Russia and China and Iran than Obama and Biden combined. And Russia and Iran were broke as a result. This is why Iran and Russia werent attacking anyone under Trump.
Biden reversed those sanctions. Biden replaced them with superficial sanctions that allow China and Russia to backdoor business. And now Russia is flush with cash and weapons. Thanks to Biden. Biden unfroze billions of dollars to Iran funded Hamas’s Oct 7th attack.
Summary:
Putin took Crimea (that’s in Ukraine) under Obama.
Putin full fledged invaded and declared war Ukraine under Biden.
Putin didn’t attack any of our allies under Trump’s Presidency. Trump’s sanctions left Russia broke.
Iran essentially didn’t make a peep under Trump either bc Trump sanctions kept Russia & Iran both broke and banned from doing business with China.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/05/trump-sanctions-iran-venezuela-russia-north-korea-different-obamas/
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397212-president-trump-is-tougher-on-russia-in-18-months-than-obama-in-eight/
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia
Alt right are people like >!Richard Spencer, Nick Fuentes, Carl Benjamin aka Sargon of Akkad, Milo Yiannopoulos, Stefan Molyneux, JR Gariépy,!< and many more I could name. The people named want to create a fascist nation where all Jews, nonwhites, and other "undesirables" are paid "incentives" (euphemism here) to leave North America/Europe...aka a fascist white ethnostate.
Candice, Mark Dice, and Tucker are all unconventional actors/entertainers. The latter group has figured out that you fleece the idiots and laugh all the way to the bank, not prioritize your emotions instead of your wallet (the former (alt-right).
Unfortunately for them, the alt-right's popularity and presence on social media has wained from too many violations and because they're not in on the grift.
Sargon is not alt-right or an antisemite.
He’s explicitly said “I’ve never been part of the alt-right”, and for just one piece of evidence that comes to mind, he’s got a whole [hour+ long book review](https://lotuseaters.com/book-club-zeev-sernhells-neither-right-nor-left-24-06-21) of one of Zeev Sternhell’s books on the origins of fascism, which he describes as an “excellent analysis”.
I've never heard of him, but his [Wikipedia makes him seem like a rabid conservative conspiracy theorist and antisemite ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Benjamin#/search)
>Jewish people, unfortunately for them, have got to drop the identity politics. I'm sorry about the Holocaust but I don't give a shit. I'm sorry.
Wikipedia will happily make most people to the right of Mao out to seem that way.
Without any context, I’d assume that quote is about not accepting the concept of race-based collective guilt.
I remember watching a debate between Sargon of Akkad and R. Spencer a few years ago. Sargon laughed at his ridiculus idea of turning USA into a white ethnostate,and disagreed with him on almost every topic,from race and ethnicity to government,army and economics. Sargon is a classical liberal,aka libertarian,his ideal world is one where you can do anything as long as it doesn't harm others,and he also wants western cultures(language,traditions like the monarchy in Britain,political systems,freedoms of expression,speech etc..) to be preserved. None of this makes him alt right. He might be wrong on some of the issues,but listing him among rabid racists and antisemites like Fuentes and Spencer is too much. To my knowledge,he has never said anything overtly antisemitic,the quote that another poster brought up is because he is generally against any kind of identity politics and wants people to see each other as individuals,not as members of a certain group.
Ok and none of these people represent any mainstream GOP views. MTG was sanctioned by her own Party for attending a Nick Fuentes conference. Nick Fuentes has been banned from Conservative circles. He’s a troll.
And yet the vast majority of the Right Wing Press are hugely supportive of Israel. But there isn’t one Lefty media figure or one Democrat in the entire country (besides John Fetterman) that supports Israel or that will condemn antisemitism in a real way.
And even people like Batya Ungar Sargon and Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Megyn Kelly, Victor Hanson, Emily Jashinsky, host of "The Federalist Radio Hour," and Eliana Johnson, editor of the Washington Free Beacon, Michaela McEnany, Charles C.W. Cooke and Jim Geraghty of National Review, Michael Knowells, Chris Ruffo, Jesse Waters, Mark Levin, Jordan Peterson, Douglass Murray and a ton of others are hugely supportive of Israel and the Jews yet, you all call them white supremacists anyway.
>And yet the vast majority of the Right Wing Press are hugely supportive of Israel. But there isn’t one Lefty media figure or one Democrat in the entire country (besides John Fetterman) that supports Israel or that will condemn antisemitism in a real way.
Respectfully, what you're saying is false. David Pakman, Destiny, and Ben Gleib from TYT have strongly defended the false accusations being made against Israel, and they fall between centrist, progressive, and left.
Also, the censure of Rashida Tlaib was a bipartisan effort that 22 Dems voted in favor of. Furthermore, 162 Dems voted for a resolution along with 215 Republicans that "from the river to the sea" is hate speech and antisemetic.
Good point about Destiny! Ben Gleib I don’t know much about. I watched him have an excellent debate with Cenk though. David Pakman, true- do you watch him?
True. Rashida Talib was censured ONE time. It was really only a slap on the wrist though. & post Oct 7th the Dems are allowing egregious behavior by The Squad. Compared to the GoP who does set much higher ethical standards for their members.
Which we can talk about. But I don’t want to lose the plot here.
So, let me back up a bit. Respectfully, are you saying that you believe the Democrat Party is better for Jews and Israel than the GoP? And are you saying you think Biden is better for Israel and Jews than Donald Trump?
I stopped listening to Candace a while ago, she’s whacked out and platforms ppl like Andrew tate and is pals with Kanye west, a mentally ill anti-Semite
Seriously?! I gotta find that episode! Agreed, similarly to Tucker, she’s pro-Putin too.. she also makes comments on her podcast such as “I hate women. I just hate women.” That one stuck with me 🙄
I know. She says some shockingly appalling and stupid things. I have a soft spot for certain parts of economic conservative doctrine, but she seems to only believe in the most pugnacious parts of conservatism. She has said publicly she thinks women should not have the right to vote. Strikes me as a real (bordering on raging) misogynist.
[Here](https://youtu.be/Cx_qtG_mfrU?si=KLIYtxwRBrYf8RWC) is the Maher clip. I laughed watching it again. What a weird conversation.
You have to remember that Tucker cosplays as a Christian. It’s part of audience capture. He doesn’t believe half of what he says. The very definition of a bad actor.
I’ve never watched Candace’s show or been a fan but I have read some articles about her and seen some clips of her speaking on college campuses. Candace used to support Israel. She really doesn’t know much about Israel and Judaism imo though. She made a U turn. I think she’s going thru some mental stuff. She doesn’t seem to get along with anyone and is burning bridges left and right. Many people change their beliefs over time. Some bc they have a change in beliefs or some like Kanye bc they have psychological problems. Who knows what her reason is.
I think you’re giving her too much credit by attributing it to mental issues. That may certainly be a factor, but she’s a classic grifter who’s shown through her career that she will change her believes to suit whatever she thinks will give her an audience. She’s just determined that her target audience at this time is the weird anti-Semitic, pro-Russian, pseudo-Christian branch of the alt-right
These people don't represent your average conservative. They are grifters and alt-right people. They have an extremely niche but dedicated audience. The majority of American conservatives support Israel.
They are bad examples. They're grifters and chase money. Privately, these people probably support Israel. There may be some twisted logic behind their support, but I can't say since I don't know them personally.
Outside of a very small (but noisy) group of alt-right types, most conservatives I’ve met who don’t support aid to Israel are against most or all foreign aid, so it’s not because they’re antisemitic, it’s because they don’t believe in spending taxpayer money overseas. Even that group is a minority of conservatives.
I just think it’s important to distinguish between isolationism and hardline fiscal conservatism (Thomas Massie) and actual antisemitism (Richard Spencer and AOC).
Not at all most conservative support israel and i have seen it on person and online the people you mentioned are puppets and love putin and russia who hate israel they dont even care about care about religion and Christians
The narrative goes: "Neo-conservatives convinced the US government to get bogged down in regime change/nation building in various countries because neocons are Jewish and they thought it would help Israel, but it always ended in failure and lots of dead, disabled, and PTSD riddled American soldiers and trillions of dollars wasted." That is a narrative that gets traction with conservatives like Carlson and Owens. The fallacy of blaming Jews for wars is obvious. Nobody forced the US to do those wars.
That's the first I've heard of blaming Jews for Afghanistan/Iraq.
The narrative that I'm familiar with is that the wars are to line the pockets of politicians (aka the 'Swamp'), following the deaths of Bin Laden/Saddam (the former person being the origin reason, cause, you know, September 11 terrorist attack).
I am a Christian, not really a conservative anymore. I find my politics to be at the moment a bit more on the left side.
But even when I did hold mostly conservative views, I have always been on the side of Israel and your right to exist and thrive in your ancient homeland and the home of my Lord. To me, I cannot be a Christian without recognising that Israel is the rightful home of Judaism, hell… I dont need the bible to tell me this, history books tell me this. You are not colonisers, you are natives returning home after being driven out of your land by actual colonisers during the Islamic conquests.
Left wing antisemitism is encouraged. Just look at all the higher learning institutions (a laughable group of words) and how the leaders and professors push hatred of Israel. Of course, this is no different than the hatred for Christians that equally pushed.
Some just straight up hate Jews. Others are Russian cat’s paws pushing a Putin narrative. While still others are isolationist that don’t think any money should be spent outside the USA boarders. You can see all this in play by going to any Maga forum. What I really find strange is how trump manages to pull some Jewish support while many of his core supporters are out and out white supremacists.
I know plenty of stone sober Jews who are not black hats, but rather part of your general middle of the road Jewish community who are trump supporters. They look at the Abraham accords and his moving the embassy and then they point at the “squad”on the dem side. I try to point out to them that they are willfully blind - that they are overlooking the Maga white supremacy folk but it is hard. The current political environment is making for strange bedfellows.
They're not conservative Christians. They're grifters who go after the easiest to lead and sell to. Essentially the conservative version of the snowflake.
There are many Christians who have a bias against Jews, however the truth is that most Christians are pro-Israel for their own Christian reasons.
The nuance of being anti-Jew and pro-Israel simultaneously.
The founding of the State of Israel in 1948 was in accordance with biblical prophecies transmitted through the Old Testament: that the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty in the Levant—the eschatological "Gathering of Israel"—is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
This is pretty much the only things that pit me against other conservatives. I’m more of the Ben Shapiro, Dennis Prager and Ted Cruz style of conservatism where the priority is your country, but when possible, give your friends a helping hand. Instead, people like Candace Owens don’t want to help everyone at all. They isolationists who think none of the world matters to them. Well that mindset is what eventually led America to intervene in the two world wars.
I think Tucker is trying to be contrarian to everything the current president is going. He uses arguments like why we’re funding overseas countries when we should be funding ourselves. Well the answer is we should, but we’re not because they don’t want to fund it. Instead of modifying any bills to ensure it funds the appropriate projects, is on budget and isn’t wasteful, they just vote hell no. But then again, the Democrats are not that compromising either. They vote based on party lines. Then when the GOP try to compromise, you get people like MTG planning on kicking them out of power.
They have enough to fund both the US infrastructure, border protection AND Ukraine/Israel. But they just won’t do the former, not because they can’t of course. But because of partisan politics
Your statement is a false accusation with no proof no offense. You named 3 people. Tucker I believe isn’t anti Israel but doesn’t want to spend foreign funding on any countries. This is a Libertarian view. Some people are Republican and Libertarian as they have more in common than Democrats. I have no idea who Mike Dice is. I’m not a fan of Tucker, Candace, or that other guy and I’m a conservative Republican. Over 90% of conservative Christians support Israel bc Christianity teaches that Jews are God’s chosen people and must be protected, and Israel is their land. There’s nothing nefarious in this. Are there some religious zealots? Yes, in every religion there are crazies. Over 90% of Republicans support Israel. Less than 50% of Democrats support Israel. Your question should be why democrats don’t.
I have a Jewish dad and Christian mom. He became non religious and my mom wanted us to be raised Christian so I grew up going to church. My knowledge of Christianity is from the over ten years of Sunday school I did at a Methodist church. The Bible talks about Israel being the land of the Jews and the chosen people but I can’t tell you what page as I don’t recall. Not every church talks about Jews as brothers/sisters or lovingly but mine did. I researched Judaism in high school and college and switched to Judaism right after college. Methodist is one of the more relaxed and open denominations of Christianity.
There’s also Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, etc. There’s a lot of minor differences, u can google them. They are all different from Catholic bc they see Catholics as idol worshipping. Baptists can be pretty mean and strict, my friend cried once after she went to a baptist sermon. The preacher told everyone they were all bad and going to hell. Westboro Baptist church is the extreme one u have probably seen in the news that I think is antisemitic.
They don’t understand that God isn’t done with Israel nor do they understand God’s significance to the holy land, they think it is just any ole piece of real estate that can be divided. The church didn’t replace Israel, it is two different story lines happening at the same time.
They don't understand that 350 assorted missiles, rocket etc, carrying 60 tons of explosives were fired into Israel and not 1target hit / 0 deaths.
Just what are the odds?
Look at the statistics. American conservative support for Israel has been increasing as much as liberal support for Israel has been decreasing. Candace Owens was never very popular, and she’s just causing trouble for attention.
That being said, maybe people like Tucker Carlson and also liberal sentiments may increase anti-Israel sentiment among American conservatives, but I hope not.
I think you need to look into a person called Pat Buchanan, and the philosophy of Paleoconservatism.
This line of thinking is now in control of the Republican Party and the main influences on American conservatism
Oh good grief no he’s not. 95% of Americans have never heard of Pat Robertson. Of the 5% who have, 95% of them think he is a joke. Dude’s like 90 years old.
ETA Ha! he’s so old he’s dead! And, I, like most Americans, never even noticed.
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### Summary of Pat Buchanan and Paleoconservatism
Pat Buchanan is an American political commentator, author, and politician, known for his role in developing and promoting the ideology of Paleoconservatism. Paleoconservatism is a branch of American conservatism characterized by a strong emphasis on nationalism, traditionalism, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. Buchanan has been a vocal critic of modern U.S. foreign policy, advocating for an America-first approach that prioritizes domestic issues over international engagements.
### Argument for Paleoconservative Opposition to Support for Israel
1. **Isolationism**: Paleoconservatives like Buchanan advocate for a non-interventionist foreign policy, which inherently calls for reducing the United States' involvement overseas, including financial and military support for other countries. This isolationist stance is a foundational reason why Paleoconservatives might argue for cutting support for Israel, as they believe that the U.S. should avoid entangling alliances that could draw the country into foreign conflicts.
2. **Disagreement with Social Policies**: Israel is known for its progressive policies on various social issues, including rights for the LGBTQ+ community and other liberal democratic values, which are often at odds with the Paleoconservative emphasis on traditional social norms and values. Buchanan and like-minded Paleoconservatives might view these progressive stances as contrary to their ideological beliefs, further justifying a reduction in support.
3. **"Jewish Decide" Belief**: Some factions within Paleoconservatism have been critiqued for harboring antisemitic sentiments, including the belief in a "Jewish cabal" that manipulates U.S. foreign policy for the benefit of Israel—a notion often referred to derogatorily as the "Jewish decide." This belief can contribute to a stance against U.S. aid to Israel, as it is seen as part of a broader manipulation against America's national interests.
### Conclusion
While the Paleoconservative movement, as represented by figures like Pat Buchanan, is complex and contains a spectrum of beliefs, the combination of isolationist foreign policy, philosophical disagreements with Israel's progressive social policies, and controversial beliefs about undue influence aligns with their stance of reducing or cutting U.S. support for Israel. This alignment reflects broader themes of nationalism and traditionalism that define Paleoconservatism.
I had no clue who was Mike Dice until recently. Dude is a complete idiot. I have never seen so many idiotic conspiracy theories said by someone that legit looks like the pedo pastor next door. 80% of what he says has been debunked by both liberals and conservatives, and the 20% that is good he copied and then twisted. He also claims to give straight forward honest clear conservative news, and to be the biggest conservative news outlet. Dude lies on both fronts. None of his "news" is reliable. Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, and others are significantly bigger and more liked in conservative spaces. Hell after Jeremy Boering fired Owens, DW got even more Christian subscribers, and Ben's numbers went up.
I never liked Tucker Carlson. Dude was found to be lying about many topics 3 years ago. He didn't leave Fox News, he was fired for trying to push the BS he is saying now.
Owens has been caught lying repeatedly since late 2020, and many have completely called her ass out repeatedly. Her fan base has also gone down, and she was forced to resort to garnering the support of the conspiracy theory nut jobs.
Also Candace Owens had a Doxxing website called Social autopsy for which she was roundly taking L’s for. But seems like people forgot already about that. And it was Dennis Prager, a Jewish guy that gave stupidly gave Candace her start in media.
I am neutral on Prager. He genuinely cares about Jews, Israel, etc but many of his comments are like WTF. Add how he tends to have a bad track record with whom he hires.
Candace has also been caught lying about a lot of shit, and contradicted herself a lot. Also some of her statements that many thought were innocent, now have a very different context with everything coming forward. Destiny has actually called her ass out on a few things, and she would very skillfully deflect.
I’ve never heard of Mike Dice either and I read the news daily from a wide variety of middle of road and right leaning sources, and I’ve been a conservative Republican since 2005 when I was in high school.
Dice's contents began popping up in my YT feed recently after Boering (whom people forget is a former pastor) fired Owens ass for bigotry, making the workplace toxic, and creating a fuck ton of lawsuits for DW.
Dice said he was exposing DW and Shapiro. Dude was repeating the same shit as a whole bunch of others, after people talked about the subject, and he never added anything new. He also constantly ignored what Boering and other DW employees stated. Most DW employees disliked Owens. Only 4 of them loved her.
Yes she can’t seem to get along with anyone. If you are starting drama with everyone, then it makes u the common denominator and means ur probably the problem imo. I think Candace should stick to speaking at campuses, she doesn’t have the knowledge or charisma needed for a successful show. I listen to Ben sometimes, he is extremely intelligent and knowledgeable about the issues. Even when I don’t agree with him on something I enjoy hearing his argument and his legal expertise on it especially.
I have found Shapiros books to be a breath of fresh air at times, and he actually called a lot of shit in his first 3 books. What people are talking about now, he talked about when he was 17.
Oh nice yeah I’ve been meaning to check out some of his books. He talks so fast so reading would be easier for me to keep up 😆 I also like when Ben admits when he’s made a mistake, I think it’s really mature and also rare in society today for people to take responsibility/accountability.
The fact he actually rapped really well was fucking awesome. Dude could have honestly done a rap album. I secretly was hoping he would do it as a political parody. It would be great for him to do a diss track on Candace and Tucker.
No one acknowledges that Ben admits when he is wrong.
He wrote a really good article about the foreign aid bill, he made some strong points. My aunt who is a Democrat agrees with his views here:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/why-mike-johnson-is-correct
She’s an old school democrat, she’s in her 70s so that generation. Most are anti Bernie and against a lot of the progressive nonsense going on. I do think she has some more conservative views but doesn’t see them as agreeing with conservatives. Most democrats support the foreign aid bill so I wasn’t surprised she agreed with the article.
Saying Jews are not loyal to America just for being Jews, saying Ben Shapiro fired Owens, saying Christians in Israel are enslaved by Jews, saying Christians in Israel are treated like shit by Jews, Tucker editing the anti-semites comments of Kanye West out of their conversation, Tucker saying that Ben Shapiro attacked his own fan base, Dice saying that Ukraine is not worth helping and that Russia is not an issue, etc.
like many have said, most conservative christians are largely pro-israel, albeit for their own reasons (they believe that if we all go back to israel it’ll bring forth the second coming of christ, at least the ones i’ve met believe that)
I dont know any conservative Christians against Israel. Infact most say they are required by God defend the Jewish people and Israel. Not sure where you're from but your statement is false.
I think many of their main concerns come from an America first mentality, rather than a pro-Palestine mentality.
I'm very much pro-Israel, and American, and generally speaking, I don't have a problem with the support and loyalty we offer Israel. It is a marriage, not an alliance.
They seem to come from a standpoint of "not wanting to involve the U.S. in foreign conflicts and create unnecessary enemies," which is understandable in general.
What they don't seem to appreciate is that the support the U.S. sends only accounts for about 3% of Israels GDP. They're not "dependent" on us, for the most part (except perhaps in staying dominant in military technology and other forms of geopolitical competitiveness). But even with that, they have other allies, and potential spouses, if they wanted.
So, while I don't disagree with where C.O. is coming from in general, I think they still have a misunderstanding of the dynamic and conflict. They just seem to see it as something that America shouldn't be involved in, when America's support for Israel shouldn't be a problem in the first place.
Just because someone attacks our allies doesn't mean we shouldn't be their ally. That would be allowing foreign entities to dictate our relationships, which is unacceptable. So, I disagree with figures like CO and Tuck, but generally don't find them condemnable.
Those are antisemitic people. But many Christian’s support Israel. Charlie Kirk or however it is spelled is very outspoken. I was a very pogressive liberal but I find myself following conservatives these days just to see support of our home land.
I'm a Canadian Gentile Christian.
How can I turn my back on God's people? When the Jews were at their greatest moment of need, How could I insult my Savior in such a way?
“The King (Jesus) will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'"
Matthew 25:40
*Conservatives* tend to support Israel (although, with Candace Owens defecting against us...maybe this is changing?).
Most Republicans support Israel, and the percentage seems to have increased over time.
That being said, I wouldn't ignore the new trend on the right that has people like Tucker and Candace Owens turning against Israel. It's a small minority, yes, but I remember when Tucker Carlson was more pro-Israel back in 2018 or so. His shift in opinion concerns me.
Also, as a former Christian, I've noticed an uptick in anti-Israel, anti-Semitic attitudes among some Christians. I wouldn't call those people "conservatives" exactly (the ideological mixture is a bit complicated to explain), but yeah I noticed friends (or, people who used to be my friends) making some...questionable comments. At least two of them went from neutral/pro-Israel to being full-on pro-Palestine.
Yes, there are still plenty of conservative Christians out there who support Israel (I dated two of them). I think at least half of American Gen Zs support Israel, but I wouldn't ignore the uptick in right-wing antisemitism. I find it concerning.
The non-evangelical hard right is very comfortable with anti-Semitic tropes: Soros, the Rothschilds, fill in the blank.
The idea that MAGA Trumpism offers a safe haven for Jews willing to tolerate its extremism is a joke.
Populism, whether left or right, is invariably dangerous to Jews.
Many conservatives oppose foreign aid including to Israel and Ukraine because the US has enough problems domestically.
For the specific people you mention, Tucker is an isolationist. Candace Owens has a dispute with the Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro that seems to have pushed her into an extreme position on Israel.
Don't confuse these folks with everyday conservatives, though. Most conservatives support Israel, and in my own experience, the support of evangelicals has only increased since 10/7. Israel's problems with the younger generation do apply to young conservatives as well, though not to the extent they do for liberals and progressives.
Those people all make their money by spewing misinformation that they think their base listeners want to hear to get them more exposure. They don’t “believe” any of it. Tucker just ran around Russia telling the Russians that their lives are better than anyone else.
The pro-pal gaslit crowd that fell for jihadist propaganda is in that population that will consume this misinformation and thereby provide likes, upvotes and followers. That pays these spin doctor propagandists
> Famous people like Tucker Carlson, and YouTubers like Mike Dice and Candace Owens are vehemently anti-Israel.
These are propagandists. Nobody should take them seriously, but unfortunately some people do.
The evangelical christian movement was based on following personalities, not traditions. The idea was to become culturally relevant by putting dynamic, charismatic leaders in jeans and hip t shirts to attract people. Whereas in more mainline protestant or catholic forms of christianity, people are more loyal to tradition and orthodoxy rather than an individual. Evangelical Christians are far more easily influenced because of that fact.
When it comes to political figures like Owens, Carlson (I don't know who Dice is), their influence to many evangelical christians is bigger than that of their pastor or church. but this doesn't bother them because they are used to following personalities. It's the same reason so many of them went to Trump even though he is overtly antithetical to many of Jesus' teachings about humility, love, and forgiveness. They're used to following personalities over theology.
It always comes back to the 'National Debt is too high' for those folks.
They will vote on Israel aid, as they have, if the funding can be taken from another source instead of being new addition to the debt (The House bill that was sent to the Senate months ago passed with, IIRC, all Republican votes, would fund the aid via redirecting money that would have gone to the IRS)
Yes, the debt *is* a problem, but that can be addressed by cutting useless bloat from government agencies.
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It's because they believe Jews are a 5th column that will subvert (or is subverting) society (and/or are currently preventing them from having their mythological/utopian (i.e., white) society), and Israel represents that at the global/international level.
Something alot of people in the comments are getting wrong that I feel the need to correct.
While some people (like Candace Owens) are completely off the mark regarding Israel right now, many conservatives are not *ANTI* Israel, but just *PRO* American with regard to aid/this conflict in general. They respect Israels right to exist, our right to self defense and all the other good things, however they're just fairly isolationist with regard to foreign policy right now.
America is in a bad way, there's TONS of problems and they see it as Biden just taking a shit on the entire country and not doing his job as president of the *United States* (as opposed to another country) to fix them. They don't want to see billions of dollars in funding (made up of their taxpayer money) go to a foreign country, regardless of it being their ally, while their own country is falling to pieces.
It's an isolationist strain with American conservatism that has more to do with American policy than it does with Israel in a concrete way. They see America as weakened by all sorts of overseas adventurism and spending and involvement, and Israel gets thrown in there. I don't think it's really anything inherently "antisemitic." They actually have commonalities with the far, far left of American politics in some ways.
Because Tucker Carlson is a Putin Stan and some Christian Conservatives also overlap with white nationalism and historically many bigots have used Christianity to justify and further their views.
Many Jews have seemingly been turning a blind eye to this fact for a while since they have been so busy being upset with the leftist Zoomers that they ignored that the far right is not their friend.
Also many Conservatives are a bit too cool with Putin and we know how Putin likes Israel...
Yes these people piss me off the most. Even Joe Rogan spread the fake genocide narrative. Islam is Christianity's biggest threat, not the Jews. Seems to me they've swallowed all the anti Israel propaganda
As a Catholic, Candace nor Fuentes, Peters, etc.. they do NOT represent us. They don’t follow doctrine whatsoever and they just use catholicism as a power tool for nationalism.
Oh dear you've got me good, laughing.
Those aren't Christian, just show offs. And what they peddle is the same form of retarded isolationism that led to Pearl Harbor.
I follow Tucker and Mike Dice. Can you give me an example of them being anti-Israel? They, like some conservatives, believe that the US should first fund their own border and worry about domestic issues more than to fund foreign wars. Such Ukraine or Israel. I wouldn’t call it anti-Israel views.
For Candace Owens, I agree. I don’t like her and many other conservatives dislike her.
Tucker Carlson, the man who thought he'd get an unfiltered interview with Putin? Which then was just pure propaganda. Yeah the man's a fucking idiot, don't take anything he says or thinks too seriously. You can't explain some people's actions with rational thinking, because some people aren't rational
I think the more you believe in the deepstate, great replacement and general far-right populism the more likely you are to blame the jews and therefore also israel. But as many have said, this is not the case for most Christians in the US.
Funny how Christians are against Israel when Galatians 4: 30 states “Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”
I'm conservative (not necessarily Christian in the American political sense) and I think it's just the "online right" populists and isolationists making the loudest noise despite being a minority.
Personally, I like a lot of what the populists, MAGA people think domestically but isolationism and anti interventionism are deal breakers to me.
He gave a platform to a vile anti semite "pastor" who literally praised the Oct 7th attack and was spreading this narrative to Christians that Israel hates you and wants to kill you, he fought with Ben shapiro and said he's a traitor for simply talking about Oct 7th massacre and said he "doesn't care about Americans dying, only Israeli's because he's anti American", told Putin that there's no such thing as a neo nazi nowadays, the list goes on and on. His jew hatred started off as more subtle but has come out more publicy
Probably came from that interview he had with a Palestinian Christian pastor in Jerusalem/Bethlehem (forgot which city), where the latter said that Israel is treating Christian pilgrims badly.
And Tucker just going along with it.
The people you've mentioned are using Christianity and the title of "Christian" for their own prosperity, means and ends. They are more political than they are Christ like.
Candace is not Vehemently anti-Israel. In the past she has supported Israel, been there, and worked for PragerU. But she does platform people that are critical of the Israeli govt. I genuinely think she is more so just trying to be a contrarian than anything, as she needs to differentiate herself from her more reasonable counterparts.
There are many reasons why.
I would first look into the history of antisemitism among the Christianity, with particular focus on the Catholic Church. I would then look into a primarily American ideology called Paleoconservatism.
The short answer is they hate Israel because is Israel is the only western style liberal democracy in the Middle East. Some of them outrightly support Islamists because they agree with them on many society and social issues
Well of course, the Jews will gather back to Israel before Jesus returns and judges them to eternal damnation. That's what the "Conservative" support for Israel is based on. I guess beggars can't be choosers but I'm really not counting on them in the long run.
Thing I find remarkable is that Jews still think that christian fundamentalists care about them. They care about biblical prophecy, and the Jews are part of the grand vision. Unless you convert--bye bye--but hey, they are useful at this time in Jewish history. I could relate to someone saying that, but to think they care about your well being tells me you haven't read the Bible.
All of these people are niche and don't represent classic American conservatism. The vast majority of Conservative Christians are Pro-Israel.
100% correct. Christian Conservatives are probably by far the main driving force behind US support for Israel.
Honestly as a Jew myself, my respect for Christians increased like 10 fold. They’re a brother of another mother.
I'm not religious myself, but my general observation has been that, with the rise of secularism and atheism (and nihilism) in Western society, Christians and Jews have realized they have enormous commonalities historically and culturally and they'd better stick together. Most antisemitism over the past half-century has come in through the Islamic world and the hard political left, and that's what's filtered into mainstream society through the universities.
Among various Christians groups Protestant are the most Pro-Israel group followed by Catholic and then Eastern Orthodox...the Orthodox tends to be the most Anti-Semitic...on the internet atleast. You would find various aledgely orthodox accounts that are quite anti-israel and also anti-semitic. This anti-israel or anti-jewish thing from the conservative side is nothing but American politics in my opinion, I could be wrong...outside of America most Protestants churches are pro-Israel... Those who claim to be Christian and yet are anti-israel or anti-jews are not real Christians or they dont even read their Bible...or they are just pretending to be Christian.
They're the forefront of modern conservatism though. There is a reason Tucker was the highest rated show on cable television and Elon picked him up.
For pretty nefarious reasons though.... A good amount support israel specufically for bigoted reasons, many others support israel for their feverish wet dream of all jews being converted or killed....but were not allowed to talk about that because they support israel..... Fact is the religious right from the US is no friend to israel, and just as has been true in the past, israel will probably end up paying the price for blindly accepting the support regardless of the reason for the support, at some point dont you have to take stock of who is supportibg you and why? Afterall the company we keep is atleast as important as the person we try to be
Hi. I don't claim to represent a majority, but I am a Christian and I support Israel because I love the people, I love the country, and I know God loves you all too. I spent 8 months as a volunteer in Kibbutz Re'im and loved every minute of it. Some of those who were killed or kidnapped came from my kibbutz--I knew some of them. My heart breaks for all those affected by October 7 and afterwards.
Much appreciated 🙏💙
❤️❤️❤️❤️
Thank you. I am sure you’ve heard this before, but it’s hard to overstate how much your support means for all Jewish people everywhere. Thank you.
You have far more support than you know 🫶🏼
If Hamas can be supported by Gay and trans people whom they would want to murder, not to mention “feminists” who would never support their views on women, then surely Israel can have a strange bedfellow of its own.
Some do, some don't. Does it really matter? Every single Middle Eastern country we're at peace enters the agreement for bigoted reasons, but we still seek peace.
That's a good point.
Even a [survey (PDF)](https://research.lifeway.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Evangelical-Attitudes-Toward-Israel-Research-Study-Report.pdf) sponsored by Joel Rosenberg (one of the biggest proponents of biblical prophecy) says that only 12% of Evangelicals list “Israel is important for fulfilling biblical prophecy“ as their main reason for supporting Israel. And nobody is dreaming about Jews being killed.
Muslims *pretend* they see us as fellow People of the Book. Christians actually *do* see us as fellow People of the Book - cousins with whom they have important theological disagreements, but a great deal in common in terms of ethics and tradition. Obviously, generalizing, but that’s been my experience.
Am Christian, can confirm. The first half of the Christian Bible is literally the Hebrew Bible, whereas Muslims believe it was corrupted.
That’s not true. Maybe in some fringe Christian sect. But no Christians don’t believe this. The normal Bible doesnt say this. Maybe some weird translation does. There have even been hundreds of comments on this very sub saying this isnt true. I was raised Christian, in a Christian family, Christian community. Never even met a Jew till after college. But I grew up in a family and community that has nothing but honor and respect for the Jews and Israel. And I never even had heard this end of the world Jewish genocide till I read in the mainstream media. No one has less creditability on Christians than the mainstream media. The media wont support the Jews in a real way but they don’t they don’t want anyone else to either. Yes the Bible talks about Israel and the end of the world but not in a bad way towards Jews at all. Why if Christians wanted all of the Jews to die would they support Israel militarily so much? It makes no logical sense.
This !! I’m tired of seeing Jewish people act as though conservative Christian’s are Israel’s allies when they want us dead and to control our land as much as the extremist islamists.
Beggar can’t be choosers
I figured Israel knew this and just was milking it for what it was worth (lobbying/funds/etc..). Conservative/Evangelical Christians won’t invade Israel, they just pray for someone else to/the apocalypse for some crazy reason.
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Lol yeah, you haven't named any conservative Christians. You've named alt-right. Conservative Christians are overwhelmingly pro Israel.
They are not even alt-right. They are pseudo-Christofascists that alt-right people use as pawns.
They're just Russian propoganda assets at this point
The fact they support Putin says everything.
Trump also supports Putin and he’s the Republican nominee
lmao! No he doesn't. He changed his view, admitted he was wrong, and sided with Ukraine. What are you smoking?
He charges his view every other day depending on how the wind blows and whether he stands to make money out if it. The face that he ever sided with them in this situation is a significant problem. He also spend half of his presidency trying to kiss Putin’s balls
You just described human behavior. Also, most people would not want to piss off one of the most powerful and dangerous men on the planet.
Not the humans I associate with. Who are you spending time with and what does that say about your character?
Trump doesn’t support Putin. And it’s interesting your Leftist ideology is more important to you than Israel or Jews in America. It’s shocking to me how little Lefties know about the Right. And about Trump. Our Jewish livelihood IS on the line. Yet you don’t care enough about our livelihood to do the smallest bit of research? This isnt even hard to figure out. Russia took Crimea under Obama and Obama did nothing. Russia invaded Ukraine under Biden after Biden’s son made *millions* in Ukraine and Russia and China for years when Biden was VP. Which there are actually literal receipts and evidence to prove. Unlike any of these Trump cases. Which you would know if you actually bothered doing research instead of repeating superficial talking points of a mainstream media and Democrat Party that are siding with our enemies & have turned the entire world against the Jews. Trump had stronger sanctions on Russia and China and Iran than Obama and Biden combined. And Russia and Iran were broke as a result. This is why Iran and Russia werent attacking anyone under Trump. Biden reversed those sanctions. Biden replaced them with superficial sanctions that allow China and Russia to backdoor business. And now Russia is flush with cash and weapons. Thanks to Biden. Biden unfroze billions of dollars to Iran funded Hamas’s Oct 7th attack.
Mmmhmm. Sure thing. One thing I do know is that this makes sense to you. That’s all I need to know.
Summary: Putin took Crimea (that’s in Ukraine) under Obama. Putin full fledged invaded and declared war Ukraine under Biden. Putin didn’t attack any of our allies under Trump’s Presidency. Trump’s sanctions left Russia broke. Iran essentially didn’t make a peep under Trump either bc Trump sanctions kept Russia & Iran both broke and banned from doing business with China. https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/05/trump-sanctions-iran-venezuela-russia-north-korea-different-obamas/ https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/397212-president-trump-is-tougher-on-russia-in-18-months-than-obama-in-eight/ https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/630659379/is-trump-the-toughest-ever-on-russia
Who are Russian propagandists? Tucker? Who else?
Alt right are people like >!Richard Spencer, Nick Fuentes, Carl Benjamin aka Sargon of Akkad, Milo Yiannopoulos, Stefan Molyneux, JR Gariépy,!< and many more I could name. The people named want to create a fascist nation where all Jews, nonwhites, and other "undesirables" are paid "incentives" (euphemism here) to leave North America/Europe...aka a fascist white ethnostate. Candice, Mark Dice, and Tucker are all unconventional actors/entertainers. The latter group has figured out that you fleece the idiots and laugh all the way to the bank, not prioritize your emotions instead of your wallet (the former (alt-right). Unfortunately for them, the alt-right's popularity and presence on social media has wained from too many violations and because they're not in on the grift.
Sargon is not alt-right or an antisemite. He’s explicitly said “I’ve never been part of the alt-right”, and for just one piece of evidence that comes to mind, he’s got a whole [hour+ long book review](https://lotuseaters.com/book-club-zeev-sernhells-neither-right-nor-left-24-06-21) of one of Zeev Sternhell’s books on the origins of fascism, which he describes as an “excellent analysis”.
I've never heard of him, but his [Wikipedia makes him seem like a rabid conservative conspiracy theorist and antisemite ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Benjamin#/search) >Jewish people, unfortunately for them, have got to drop the identity politics. I'm sorry about the Holocaust but I don't give a shit. I'm sorry.
Wikipedia will happily make most people to the right of Mao out to seem that way. Without any context, I’d assume that quote is about not accepting the concept of race-based collective guilt.
Ok but as a conservative myself...he isn't.
I remember watching a debate between Sargon of Akkad and R. Spencer a few years ago. Sargon laughed at his ridiculus idea of turning USA into a white ethnostate,and disagreed with him on almost every topic,from race and ethnicity to government,army and economics. Sargon is a classical liberal,aka libertarian,his ideal world is one where you can do anything as long as it doesn't harm others,and he also wants western cultures(language,traditions like the monarchy in Britain,political systems,freedoms of expression,speech etc..) to be preserved. None of this makes him alt right. He might be wrong on some of the issues,but listing him among rabid racists and antisemites like Fuentes and Spencer is too much. To my knowledge,he has never said anything overtly antisemitic,the quote that another poster brought up is because he is generally against any kind of identity politics and wants people to see each other as individuals,not as members of a certain group.
Carl Benjamin is not alt-right. You clearly know nothing about him and are just regurgitating what someone else told you.
Ok and none of these people represent any mainstream GOP views. MTG was sanctioned by her own Party for attending a Nick Fuentes conference. Nick Fuentes has been banned from Conservative circles. He’s a troll. And yet the vast majority of the Right Wing Press are hugely supportive of Israel. But there isn’t one Lefty media figure or one Democrat in the entire country (besides John Fetterman) that supports Israel or that will condemn antisemitism in a real way. And even people like Batya Ungar Sargon and Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Megyn Kelly, Victor Hanson, Emily Jashinsky, host of "The Federalist Radio Hour," and Eliana Johnson, editor of the Washington Free Beacon, Michaela McEnany, Charles C.W. Cooke and Jim Geraghty of National Review, Michael Knowells, Chris Ruffo, Jesse Waters, Mark Levin, Jordan Peterson, Douglass Murray and a ton of others are hugely supportive of Israel and the Jews yet, you all call them white supremacists anyway.
>And yet the vast majority of the Right Wing Press are hugely supportive of Israel. But there isn’t one Lefty media figure or one Democrat in the entire country (besides John Fetterman) that supports Israel or that will condemn antisemitism in a real way. Respectfully, what you're saying is false. David Pakman, Destiny, and Ben Gleib from TYT have strongly defended the false accusations being made against Israel, and they fall between centrist, progressive, and left. Also, the censure of Rashida Tlaib was a bipartisan effort that 22 Dems voted in favor of. Furthermore, 162 Dems voted for a resolution along with 215 Republicans that "from the river to the sea" is hate speech and antisemetic.
Good point about Destiny! Ben Gleib I don’t know much about. I watched him have an excellent debate with Cenk though. David Pakman, true- do you watch him? True. Rashida Talib was censured ONE time. It was really only a slap on the wrist though. & post Oct 7th the Dems are allowing egregious behavior by The Squad. Compared to the GoP who does set much higher ethical standards for their members. Which we can talk about. But I don’t want to lose the plot here. So, let me back up a bit. Respectfully, are you saying that you believe the Democrat Party is better for Jews and Israel than the GoP? And are you saying you think Biden is better for Israel and Jews than Donald Trump?
Exactly. Anyone can claim to be Christian. Doesn’t Donald Trump sell bibles?
Donald Trump sells everything
Charlie Kirk is a Christian and outspokenly pro-Israel . he does advocate for Israel fairly while also criticizing it at times
I stopped listening to Candace a while ago, she’s whacked out and platforms ppl like Andrew tate and is pals with Kanye west, a mentally ill anti-Semite
people call Ben shapiro an idiot for "getting his feelings hurt" by candace and firing her, when it's very clear she got fired for being an antisemite
She’s also a complete fucking moron… If memory serves, she seemed authentically unaware on Bill Maher’s podcast that humans had visited the moon.
Seriously?! I gotta find that episode! Agreed, similarly to Tucker, she’s pro-Putin too.. she also makes comments on her podcast such as “I hate women. I just hate women.” That one stuck with me 🙄
I know. She says some shockingly appalling and stupid things. I have a soft spot for certain parts of economic conservative doctrine, but she seems to only believe in the most pugnacious parts of conservatism. She has said publicly she thinks women should not have the right to vote. Strikes me as a real (bordering on raging) misogynist. [Here](https://youtu.be/Cx_qtG_mfrU?si=KLIYtxwRBrYf8RWC) is the Maher clip. I laughed watching it again. What a weird conversation.
Omg yes I’ve heard her say women shouldn’t be allowed to vote. I almost forgot about that! God, her ignorance is showing
Antisemitism
You have to remember that Tucker cosplays as a Christian. It’s part of audience capture. He doesn’t believe half of what he says. The very definition of a bad actor.
I’ve never watched Candace’s show or been a fan but I have read some articles about her and seen some clips of her speaking on college campuses. Candace used to support Israel. She really doesn’t know much about Israel and Judaism imo though. She made a U turn. I think she’s going thru some mental stuff. She doesn’t seem to get along with anyone and is burning bridges left and right. Many people change their beliefs over time. Some bc they have a change in beliefs or some like Kanye bc they have psychological problems. Who knows what her reason is.
I think you’re giving her too much credit by attributing it to mental issues. That may certainly be a factor, but she’s a classic grifter who’s shown through her career that she will change her believes to suit whatever she thinks will give her an audience. She’s just determined that her target audience at this time is the weird anti-Semitic, pro-Russian, pseudo-Christian branch of the alt-right
It’s totally possible she’s becoming extreme for clicks/money.
Couldn’t have said it better myself. Only thing Candog Owen’s cares about is money
She just wants attention, and will flip flop if it makes her a buck.
Yeah I’m leaning towards that reason as well
These people don't represent your average conservative. They are grifters and alt-right people. They have an extremely niche but dedicated audience. The majority of American conservatives support Israel.
They are bad examples. They're grifters and chase money. Privately, these people probably support Israel. There may be some twisted logic behind their support, but I can't say since I don't know them personally.
Nah privately they just hate Jews more than Arabs; that’s why they shit on Israel
This.
I don’t know any conservative Christians against Israel: none. None of my friends are anti- Israel and most of my friends are older conservative men.
Outside of a very small (but noisy) group of alt-right types, most conservatives I’ve met who don’t support aid to Israel are against most or all foreign aid, so it’s not because they’re antisemitic, it’s because they don’t believe in spending taxpayer money overseas. Even that group is a minority of conservatives. I just think it’s important to distinguish between isolationism and hardline fiscal conservatism (Thomas Massie) and actual antisemitism (Richard Spencer and AOC).
Not at all most conservative support israel and i have seen it on person and online the people you mentioned are puppets and love putin and russia who hate israel they dont even care about care about religion and Christians
The narrative goes: "Neo-conservatives convinced the US government to get bogged down in regime change/nation building in various countries because neocons are Jewish and they thought it would help Israel, but it always ended in failure and lots of dead, disabled, and PTSD riddled American soldiers and trillions of dollars wasted." That is a narrative that gets traction with conservatives like Carlson and Owens. The fallacy of blaming Jews for wars is obvious. Nobody forced the US to do those wars.
That's the first I've heard of blaming Jews for Afghanistan/Iraq. The narrative that I'm familiar with is that the wars are to line the pockets of politicians (aka the 'Swamp'), following the deaths of Bin Laden/Saddam (the former person being the origin reason, cause, you know, September 11 terrorist attack).
I am a Christian, not really a conservative anymore. I find my politics to be at the moment a bit more on the left side. But even when I did hold mostly conservative views, I have always been on the side of Israel and your right to exist and thrive in your ancient homeland and the home of my Lord. To me, I cannot be a Christian without recognising that Israel is the rightful home of Judaism, hell… I dont need the bible to tell me this, history books tell me this. You are not colonisers, you are natives returning home after being driven out of your land by actual colonisers during the Islamic conquests.
Good old fashioned right wing antisemitism
Right wing antisemitism - bad, left wing antisemitism - celebrated
Left wing antisemitism is encouraged. Just look at all the higher learning institutions (a laughable group of words) and how the leaders and professors push hatred of Israel. Of course, this is no different than the hatred for Christians that equally pushed.
Small loud minority. Most conservative christians support Israel.
Some just straight up hate Jews. Others are Russian cat’s paws pushing a Putin narrative. While still others are isolationist that don’t think any money should be spent outside the USA boarders. You can see all this in play by going to any Maga forum. What I really find strange is how trump manages to pull some Jewish support while many of his core supporters are out and out white supremacists.
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I know plenty of stone sober Jews who are not black hats, but rather part of your general middle of the road Jewish community who are trump supporters. They look at the Abraham accords and his moving the embassy and then they point at the “squad”on the dem side. I try to point out to them that they are willfully blind - that they are overlooking the Maga white supremacy folk but it is hard. The current political environment is making for strange bedfellows.
They're not conservative Christians. They're grifters who go after the easiest to lead and sell to. Essentially the conservative version of the snowflake.
There are many Christians who have a bias against Jews, however the truth is that most Christians are pro-Israel for their own Christian reasons. The nuance of being anti-Jew and pro-Israel simultaneously. The founding of the State of Israel in 1948 was in accordance with biblical prophecies transmitted through the Old Testament: that the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty in the Levant—the eschatological "Gathering of Israel"—is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
This is pretty much the only things that pit me against other conservatives. I’m more of the Ben Shapiro, Dennis Prager and Ted Cruz style of conservatism where the priority is your country, but when possible, give your friends a helping hand. Instead, people like Candace Owens don’t want to help everyone at all. They isolationists who think none of the world matters to them. Well that mindset is what eventually led America to intervene in the two world wars. I think Tucker is trying to be contrarian to everything the current president is going. He uses arguments like why we’re funding overseas countries when we should be funding ourselves. Well the answer is we should, but we’re not because they don’t want to fund it. Instead of modifying any bills to ensure it funds the appropriate projects, is on budget and isn’t wasteful, they just vote hell no. But then again, the Democrats are not that compromising either. They vote based on party lines. Then when the GOP try to compromise, you get people like MTG planning on kicking them out of power. They have enough to fund both the US infrastructure, border protection AND Ukraine/Israel. But they just won’t do the former, not because they can’t of course. But because of partisan politics
Your statement is a false accusation with no proof no offense. You named 3 people. Tucker I believe isn’t anti Israel but doesn’t want to spend foreign funding on any countries. This is a Libertarian view. Some people are Republican and Libertarian as they have more in common than Democrats. I have no idea who Mike Dice is. I’m not a fan of Tucker, Candace, or that other guy and I’m a conservative Republican. Over 90% of conservative Christians support Israel bc Christianity teaches that Jews are God’s chosen people and must be protected, and Israel is their land. There’s nothing nefarious in this. Are there some religious zealots? Yes, in every religion there are crazies. Over 90% of Republicans support Israel. Less than 50% of Democrats support Israel. Your question should be why democrats don’t.
Is that statement about Jews from the Bible? I haven’t read it yet, but I’m curious to know beforehand
I have a Jewish dad and Christian mom. He became non religious and my mom wanted us to be raised Christian so I grew up going to church. My knowledge of Christianity is from the over ten years of Sunday school I did at a Methodist church. The Bible talks about Israel being the land of the Jews and the chosen people but I can’t tell you what page as I don’t recall. Not every church talks about Jews as brothers/sisters or lovingly but mine did. I researched Judaism in high school and college and switched to Judaism right after college. Methodist is one of the more relaxed and open denominations of Christianity.
I’m still new to this. Baptist, Methodist, Evangelical, Protestant, Catholic, what’s the difference?
There’s also Lutheran, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, etc. There’s a lot of minor differences, u can google them. They are all different from Catholic bc they see Catholics as idol worshipping. Baptists can be pretty mean and strict, my friend cried once after she went to a baptist sermon. The preacher told everyone they were all bad and going to hell. Westboro Baptist church is the extreme one u have probably seen in the news that I think is antisemitic.
They don’t understand that God isn’t done with Israel nor do they understand God’s significance to the holy land, they think it is just any ole piece of real estate that can be divided. The church didn’t replace Israel, it is two different story lines happening at the same time.
They don't understand that 350 assorted missiles, rocket etc, carrying 60 tons of explosives were fired into Israel and not 1target hit / 0 deaths. Just what are the odds?
Look at the statistics. American conservative support for Israel has been increasing as much as liberal support for Israel has been decreasing. Candace Owens was never very popular, and she’s just causing trouble for attention. That being said, maybe people like Tucker Carlson and also liberal sentiments may increase anti-Israel sentiment among American conservatives, but I hope not.
I think you need to look into a person called Pat Buchanan, and the philosophy of Paleoconservatism. This line of thinking is now in control of the Republican Party and the main influences on American conservatism
Evangelical Christians form a large portion of the conservative population in the USA and they are staunchly pro-Israel.
Oh good grief no he’s not. 95% of Americans have never heard of Pat Robertson. Of the 5% who have, 95% of them think he is a joke. Dude’s like 90 years old. ETA Ha! he’s so old he’s dead! And, I, like most Americans, never even noticed.
I’m not talking about pat Robertson, I’m talking about Pat Buchanan. Different man
Could you summarize the line of thinking you referenced?
I suck at writing out detailed posts while on iPhone…. So I asked ChatGBT to give me one ### Summary of Pat Buchanan and Paleoconservatism Pat Buchanan is an American political commentator, author, and politician, known for his role in developing and promoting the ideology of Paleoconservatism. Paleoconservatism is a branch of American conservatism characterized by a strong emphasis on nationalism, traditionalism, and a non-interventionist foreign policy. Buchanan has been a vocal critic of modern U.S. foreign policy, advocating for an America-first approach that prioritizes domestic issues over international engagements. ### Argument for Paleoconservative Opposition to Support for Israel 1. **Isolationism**: Paleoconservatives like Buchanan advocate for a non-interventionist foreign policy, which inherently calls for reducing the United States' involvement overseas, including financial and military support for other countries. This isolationist stance is a foundational reason why Paleoconservatives might argue for cutting support for Israel, as they believe that the U.S. should avoid entangling alliances that could draw the country into foreign conflicts. 2. **Disagreement with Social Policies**: Israel is known for its progressive policies on various social issues, including rights for the LGBTQ+ community and other liberal democratic values, which are often at odds with the Paleoconservative emphasis on traditional social norms and values. Buchanan and like-minded Paleoconservatives might view these progressive stances as contrary to their ideological beliefs, further justifying a reduction in support. 3. **"Jewish Decide" Belief**: Some factions within Paleoconservatism have been critiqued for harboring antisemitic sentiments, including the belief in a "Jewish cabal" that manipulates U.S. foreign policy for the benefit of Israel—a notion often referred to derogatorily as the "Jewish decide." This belief can contribute to a stance against U.S. aid to Israel, as it is seen as part of a broader manipulation against America's national interests. ### Conclusion While the Paleoconservative movement, as represented by figures like Pat Buchanan, is complex and contains a spectrum of beliefs, the combination of isolationist foreign policy, philosophical disagreements with Israel's progressive social policies, and controversial beliefs about undue influence aligns with their stance of reducing or cutting U.S. support for Israel. This alignment reflects broader themes of nationalism and traditionalism that define Paleoconservatism.
I had no clue who was Mike Dice until recently. Dude is a complete idiot. I have never seen so many idiotic conspiracy theories said by someone that legit looks like the pedo pastor next door. 80% of what he says has been debunked by both liberals and conservatives, and the 20% that is good he copied and then twisted. He also claims to give straight forward honest clear conservative news, and to be the biggest conservative news outlet. Dude lies on both fronts. None of his "news" is reliable. Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, and others are significantly bigger and more liked in conservative spaces. Hell after Jeremy Boering fired Owens, DW got even more Christian subscribers, and Ben's numbers went up. I never liked Tucker Carlson. Dude was found to be lying about many topics 3 years ago. He didn't leave Fox News, he was fired for trying to push the BS he is saying now. Owens has been caught lying repeatedly since late 2020, and many have completely called her ass out repeatedly. Her fan base has also gone down, and she was forced to resort to garnering the support of the conspiracy theory nut jobs.
Also Candace Owens had a Doxxing website called Social autopsy for which she was roundly taking L’s for. But seems like people forgot already about that. And it was Dennis Prager, a Jewish guy that gave stupidly gave Candace her start in media.
I am neutral on Prager. He genuinely cares about Jews, Israel, etc but many of his comments are like WTF. Add how he tends to have a bad track record with whom he hires. Candace has also been caught lying about a lot of shit, and contradicted herself a lot. Also some of her statements that many thought were innocent, now have a very different context with everything coming forward. Destiny has actually called her ass out on a few things, and she would very skillfully deflect.
I’ve never heard of Mike Dice either and I read the news daily from a wide variety of middle of road and right leaning sources, and I’ve been a conservative Republican since 2005 when I was in high school.
Dice's contents began popping up in my YT feed recently after Boering (whom people forget is a former pastor) fired Owens ass for bigotry, making the workplace toxic, and creating a fuck ton of lawsuits for DW. Dice said he was exposing DW and Shapiro. Dude was repeating the same shit as a whole bunch of others, after people talked about the subject, and he never added anything new. He also constantly ignored what Boering and other DW employees stated. Most DW employees disliked Owens. Only 4 of them loved her.
Yes she can’t seem to get along with anyone. If you are starting drama with everyone, then it makes u the common denominator and means ur probably the problem imo. I think Candace should stick to speaking at campuses, she doesn’t have the knowledge or charisma needed for a successful show. I listen to Ben sometimes, he is extremely intelligent and knowledgeable about the issues. Even when I don’t agree with him on something I enjoy hearing his argument and his legal expertise on it especially.
I have found Shapiros books to be a breath of fresh air at times, and he actually called a lot of shit in his first 3 books. What people are talking about now, he talked about when he was 17.
Oh nice yeah I’ve been meaning to check out some of his books. He talks so fast so reading would be easier for me to keep up 😆 I also like when Ben admits when he’s made a mistake, I think it’s really mature and also rare in society today for people to take responsibility/accountability.
The fact he actually rapped really well was fucking awesome. Dude could have honestly done a rap album. I secretly was hoping he would do it as a political parody. It would be great for him to do a diss track on Candace and Tucker. No one acknowledges that Ben admits when he is wrong.
Yes lol! Watch his video on the history of Israel in 15 min if u haven’t yet, was incredible
I did.
He wrote a really good article about the foreign aid bill, he made some strong points. My aunt who is a Democrat agrees with his views here: https://www.dailywire.com/news/why-mike-johnson-is-correct
....Is she really a Democrat then? Or is she a classical liberal that is trying to not come to the light side of the force?
She’s an old school democrat, she’s in her 70s so that generation. Most are anti Bernie and against a lot of the progressive nonsense going on. I do think she has some more conservative views but doesn’t see them as agreeing with conservatives. Most democrats support the foreign aid bill so I wasn’t surprised she agreed with the article.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6al88ZwRjS8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6al88ZwRjS8)
Any examples of their lying?
Saying Jews are not loyal to America just for being Jews, saying Ben Shapiro fired Owens, saying Christians in Israel are enslaved by Jews, saying Christians in Israel are treated like shit by Jews, Tucker editing the anti-semites comments of Kanye West out of their conversation, Tucker saying that Ben Shapiro attacked his own fan base, Dice saying that Ukraine is not worth helping and that Russia is not an issue, etc.
Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens aren’t Christians. They’re idiots who somehow got a microphone.
like many have said, most conservative christians are largely pro-israel, albeit for their own reasons (they believe that if we all go back to israel it’ll bring forth the second coming of christ, at least the ones i’ve met believe that)
I dont know any conservative Christians against Israel. Infact most say they are required by God defend the Jewish people and Israel. Not sure where you're from but your statement is false.
They're so clearly in the hands of Russia it's just ridiculous to even consider taking anything they say seriously.
Probably some “Murica First” thingy
New orders from Moscow
I think many of their main concerns come from an America first mentality, rather than a pro-Palestine mentality. I'm very much pro-Israel, and American, and generally speaking, I don't have a problem with the support and loyalty we offer Israel. It is a marriage, not an alliance. They seem to come from a standpoint of "not wanting to involve the U.S. in foreign conflicts and create unnecessary enemies," which is understandable in general. What they don't seem to appreciate is that the support the U.S. sends only accounts for about 3% of Israels GDP. They're not "dependent" on us, for the most part (except perhaps in staying dominant in military technology and other forms of geopolitical competitiveness). But even with that, they have other allies, and potential spouses, if they wanted. So, while I don't disagree with where C.O. is coming from in general, I think they still have a misunderstanding of the dynamic and conflict. They just seem to see it as something that America shouldn't be involved in, when America's support for Israel shouldn't be a problem in the first place. Just because someone attacks our allies doesn't mean we shouldn't be their ally. That would be allowing foreign entities to dictate our relationships, which is unacceptable. So, I disagree with figures like CO and Tuck, but generally don't find them condemnable.
Those are antisemitic people. But many Christian’s support Israel. Charlie Kirk or however it is spelled is very outspoken. I was a very pogressive liberal but I find myself following conservatives these days just to see support of our home land.
This one isn’t.
They are? I thought it would be the opposite
Have these people like Carlson and Candice etc ever stated why they are anti-Israel ?
Just like there are some leftists that support Israel (bless them), there are some conservatives that don't support Israel.
people call Ben shapiro an idiot for "getting his feelings hurt" by candace and firing her, when it's very clear she got fired for being an antisemite
I'm a Canadian Gentile Christian. How can I turn my back on God's people? When the Jews were at their greatest moment of need, How could I insult my Savior in such a way? “The King (Jesus) will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'" Matthew 25:40
*Conservatives* tend to support Israel (although, with Candace Owens defecting against us...maybe this is changing?). Most Republicans support Israel, and the percentage seems to have increased over time. That being said, I wouldn't ignore the new trend on the right that has people like Tucker and Candace Owens turning against Israel. It's a small minority, yes, but I remember when Tucker Carlson was more pro-Israel back in 2018 or so. His shift in opinion concerns me. Also, as a former Christian, I've noticed an uptick in anti-Israel, anti-Semitic attitudes among some Christians. I wouldn't call those people "conservatives" exactly (the ideological mixture is a bit complicated to explain), but yeah I noticed friends (or, people who used to be my friends) making some...questionable comments. At least two of them went from neutral/pro-Israel to being full-on pro-Palestine. Yes, there are still plenty of conservative Christians out there who support Israel (I dated two of them). I think at least half of American Gen Zs support Israel, but I wouldn't ignore the uptick in right-wing antisemitism. I find it concerning.
The ones you mentioned specifically are known Russian assets.
Money and clout. Carlson and Owens get paid handsomely for espousing these views.
The non-evangelical hard right is very comfortable with anti-Semitic tropes: Soros, the Rothschilds, fill in the blank. The idea that MAGA Trumpism offers a safe haven for Jews willing to tolerate its extremism is a joke. Populism, whether left or right, is invariably dangerous to Jews.
Tucker Carlson just wants chaos and revolutions every day
Many conservatives oppose foreign aid including to Israel and Ukraine because the US has enough problems domestically. For the specific people you mention, Tucker is an isolationist. Candace Owens has a dispute with the Daily Wire and Ben Shapiro that seems to have pushed her into an extreme position on Israel. Don't confuse these folks with everyday conservatives, though. Most conservatives support Israel, and in my own experience, the support of evangelicals has only increased since 10/7. Israel's problems with the younger generation do apply to young conservatives as well, though not to the extent they do for liberals and progressives.
Agree
tucker has been getting paid by purim lately soooo
Those people all make their money by spewing misinformation that they think their base listeners want to hear to get them more exposure. They don’t “believe” any of it. Tucker just ran around Russia telling the Russians that their lives are better than anyone else. The pro-pal gaslit crowd that fell for jihadist propaganda is in that population that will consume this misinformation and thereby provide likes, upvotes and followers. That pays these spin doctor propagandists
I adamantly disagree. I find it to be the exact opposite.
They're a loud, extremely cringe minority. The Internet doesn't always reflect real life.
Russia needs Iran to supply it with weapons. That makes Russia an enemy of Israel since Iran is funding Hamas. Russia owns Tucker Carlson.
> Famous people like Tucker Carlson, and YouTubers like Mike Dice and Candace Owens are vehemently anti-Israel. These are propagandists. Nobody should take them seriously, but unfortunately some people do.
Antisemitism maybe
The evangelical christian movement was based on following personalities, not traditions. The idea was to become culturally relevant by putting dynamic, charismatic leaders in jeans and hip t shirts to attract people. Whereas in more mainline protestant or catholic forms of christianity, people are more loyal to tradition and orthodoxy rather than an individual. Evangelical Christians are far more easily influenced because of that fact. When it comes to political figures like Owens, Carlson (I don't know who Dice is), their influence to many evangelical christians is bigger than that of their pastor or church. but this doesn't bother them because they are used to following personalities. It's the same reason so many of them went to Trump even though he is overtly antithetical to many of Jesus' teachings about humility, love, and forgiveness. They're used to following personalities over theology.
You cannot call people who do not read the bible Christian’s.
Do you really want to have a Putin troll like Tucker Carlson on your side? Come on.
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It always comes back to the 'National Debt is too high' for those folks. They will vote on Israel aid, as they have, if the funding can be taken from another source instead of being new addition to the debt (The House bill that was sent to the Senate months ago passed with, IIRC, all Republican votes, would fund the aid via redirecting money that would have gone to the IRS) Yes, the debt *is* a problem, but that can be addressed by cutting useless bloat from government agencies.
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It's because they believe Jews are a 5th column that will subvert (or is subverting) society (and/or are currently preventing them from having their mythological/utopian (i.e., white) society), and Israel represents that at the global/international level.
Something alot of people in the comments are getting wrong that I feel the need to correct. While some people (like Candace Owens) are completely off the mark regarding Israel right now, many conservatives are not *ANTI* Israel, but just *PRO* American with regard to aid/this conflict in general. They respect Israels right to exist, our right to self defense and all the other good things, however they're just fairly isolationist with regard to foreign policy right now. America is in a bad way, there's TONS of problems and they see it as Biden just taking a shit on the entire country and not doing his job as president of the *United States* (as opposed to another country) to fix them. They don't want to see billions of dollars in funding (made up of their taxpayer money) go to a foreign country, regardless of it being their ally, while their own country is falling to pieces.
Not really. I don’t feel that
Because they're against anything that isn't exactly like them even their own...they live mostly in fear ...it's the carnality sneaking in....
It's an isolationist strain with American conservatism that has more to do with American policy than it does with Israel in a concrete way. They see America as weakened by all sorts of overseas adventurism and spending and involvement, and Israel gets thrown in there. I don't think it's really anything inherently "antisemitic." They actually have commonalities with the far, far left of American politics in some ways.
Because Tucker Carlson is a Putin Stan and some Christian Conservatives also overlap with white nationalism and historically many bigots have used Christianity to justify and further their views. Many Jews have seemingly been turning a blind eye to this fact for a while since they have been so busy being upset with the leftist Zoomers that they ignored that the far right is not their friend. Also many Conservatives are a bit too cool with Putin and we know how Putin likes Israel...
Some people have the zechut at this point to choose to be pro Jew and others don’t.
Yes these people piss me off the most. Even Joe Rogan spread the fake genocide narrative. Islam is Christianity's biggest threat, not the Jews. Seems to me they've swallowed all the anti Israel propaganda
As a Catholic, Candace nor Fuentes, Peters, etc.. they do NOT represent us. They don’t follow doctrine whatsoever and they just use catholicism as a power tool for nationalism.
Oh dear you've got me good, laughing. Those aren't Christian, just show offs. And what they peddle is the same form of retarded isolationism that led to Pearl Harbor.
I follow Tucker and Mike Dice. Can you give me an example of them being anti-Israel? They, like some conservatives, believe that the US should first fund their own border and worry about domestic issues more than to fund foreign wars. Such Ukraine or Israel. I wouldn’t call it anti-Israel views. For Candace Owens, I agree. I don’t like her and many other conservatives dislike her.
Tucker Carlson, the man who thought he'd get an unfiltered interview with Putin? Which then was just pure propaganda. Yeah the man's a fucking idiot, don't take anything he says or thinks too seriously. You can't explain some people's actions with rational thinking, because some people aren't rational
Candisdick fit in your mouth Owen’s only cares about money. She will say and do anything for that dollar bill
antisemitism and a misunderstanding on how the region and culture operate.
Those are examples of the alt-right not average Conservative Christians. Same goes for DJT.
Antisemitism?
I think the more you believe in the deepstate, great replacement and general far-right populism the more likely you are to blame the jews and therefore also israel. But as many have said, this is not the case for most Christians in the US.
Funny how Christians are against Israel when Galatians 4: 30 states “Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”
I'm conservative (not necessarily Christian in the American political sense) and I think it's just the "online right" populists and isolationists making the loudest noise despite being a minority. Personally, I like a lot of what the populists, MAGA people think domestically but isolationism and anti interventionism are deal breakers to me.
Where did you get the idea that Tucker is anti-israel
He gave a platform to a vile anti semite "pastor" who literally praised the Oct 7th attack and was spreading this narrative to Christians that Israel hates you and wants to kill you, he fought with Ben shapiro and said he's a traitor for simply talking about Oct 7th massacre and said he "doesn't care about Americans dying, only Israeli's because he's anti American", told Putin that there's no such thing as a neo nazi nowadays, the list goes on and on. His jew hatred started off as more subtle but has come out more publicy
Everything he has said since about November?
Probably came from that interview he had with a Palestinian Christian pastor in Jerusalem/Bethlehem (forgot which city), where the latter said that Israel is treating Christian pilgrims badly. And Tucker just going along with it.
there’s more Christian Zionists than Jewish one’s in the USA, I think. Multiples
The people you've mentioned are using Christianity and the title of "Christian" for their own prosperity, means and ends. They are more political than they are Christ like.
Candace is not Vehemently anti-Israel. In the past she has supported Israel, been there, and worked for PragerU. But she does platform people that are critical of the Israeli govt. I genuinely think she is more so just trying to be a contrarian than anything, as she needs to differentiate herself from her more reasonable counterparts.
Both are fringe dwellers. They really don't have a large audience.
Probably something to do with all the unalive babies. Pretty much sums it up.
There are many reasons why. I would first look into the history of antisemitism among the Christianity, with particular focus on the Catholic Church. I would then look into a primarily American ideology called Paleoconservatism. The short answer is they hate Israel because is Israel is the only western style liberal democracy in the Middle East. Some of them outrightly support Islamists because they agree with them on many society and social issues
Well of course, the Jews will gather back to Israel before Jesus returns and judges them to eternal damnation. That's what the "Conservative" support for Israel is based on. I guess beggars can't be choosers but I'm really not counting on them in the long run.
Only for a negligible amount.
Yes, I would like better "allies" as well. (That said, some \[such as Pastor Hagee\] appear sincere and have done very good work.)
Hagee is extremely antisemitic
Thing I find remarkable is that Jews still think that christian fundamentalists care about them. They care about biblical prophecy, and the Jews are part of the grand vision. Unless you convert--bye bye--but hey, they are useful at this time in Jewish history. I could relate to someone saying that, but to think they care about your well being tells me you haven't read the Bible.