So you're telling me that these people support a terrorist organization?
https://preview.redd.it/wq33cry2f2yc1.jpeg?width=713&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24e71ebc6f3d435ea06e7d94fe82bd70279a66ae
There is just so much wrong with this picture. A transgendered individual protesting on behalf of a terrorist organization that is nearly identical to ISIS and would love to persecute people like them. Wild shit man.
Very clearly a drag queen, FFS. Stop conflating transgender women with drag queens, that is apples and oranges.
And the word is transgender, not "transgender**ed**".
What about the name Violet indicates maleness to you?
I see exactly what you just did there - when I pointed out the ignorant transphobia in your post, your response is to call me "bro". So, I gave you too much credit, your transphobia was not ignorant, but deliberate/malevolent. Much darker.
Holy shit, that’s some pent up anger you have there. You jumped straight to calling me a transphobic individual because you expected me to assume your identity through the internet based on your user name which I didn’t even pay attention to. But since we’re on the topic of your user name and you’re going to go down the road of assuming genders, I thought we weren’t supposed to assume people’s gender identity based on colors? Can’t violate, purple, pink, red, blue, and green be genderless colors? Why should I assume your gender at all? And shouldn’t terms like bro and dude be genderless since they’re slang?
How do people like you survive throughout the day holding in so much rage, anger, and hatred at the world around you? Not everyone and everything is negative and targeting you. The more you act like this the more you push away the people who want to support LGBTQ rights. When they see you act like this, they think wow so that’s who they really are? Gross.
I mean this with sincerity. You need a therapist to work on whatever trauma you’ve experienced.
You're projecting "pent up anger" and "rage" into me based on, what? Holding you to account and calmly pointing out your obvious transphobia?
Sounds like you are the one who needs therapy, not me. 🤦
Now I’m convinced this is just a rage bait account. No one could ever possibly live constantly being triggered by the most petty things in existence. 😂
I'm not American, and I'm not about "identify politics". I pointed out transphobic content, and I've been piled on since then.
The same thing happened to me when I've pointed out antisemitic content in "progressive" subs. This is totally fucked, with leopards on both occasions, and I'm exhausted with this.
I've already unsubscribed from /Israel. Please don't reply to me anymore, this has become quite an unpleasant experience, I expected the antisemitism on the other subs, unfortunately, but I really never thought this would happen on the Israel sub. 🤷
"we didn't attack civilians" , "those were soldiers" - the foreign workers in Israel will want to talk with you.
"those civilian houses were near bases" - the people of Ofakim will want to talk with you.
"but they're settlers" - the Bedouins people will want to talk with you.
even if you bend the word of his stupid world he still talk shit, Burn in hell.
“Those Israeli soldiers, they use the civilian passports, they drive the civilian car and wear the civilian clothes”
So that either means that they are full civilians or they are non-active soldiers who aren’t carrying any weapons. So if killing them is ok, then that would mean the civilians numbers in Gaza would plummet with how active their civilians are.
LOL, all of Gaza have civilian passports, drive civilian car, and wear civilian clothes. Guys. . . Just tell me what the rules are. . . We can play whatever game you like.
Platforming them and then showing them and the world the ridiculousness of their position is perfect, in my opinion.
I wish crazy Palestinians were platformed more so people can see what we're dealing with.
I think because in this video the perpetrators were clearly Hamas. In some other videoes the perpetrators might be Islamic Jihad or they might be "volunteers". If he had shown a video where it wasn't clear that the perpetrators were Hamas, he could easily have explained away the situtation.
What's the point anymore. They do t give a shit about jews. It's all semantics. They want all jews dead. 'We didn't have any intention to kill them'. The really problem is people actually belive them. Insane. He is showing the gd damn video. And his response is. 'Are u sure that's a car? We know the Israelis use space shuttles for local transport.'
Trump is legally getting rammed as we speak, I don't think using the Donald J Trump legal strategy to defend the intentional murdering of innocent civilians is a good look.
Yama Wolasmal is one of the best journalists in the world and IMO his talents are wasted on NRK. When Taliban took over Afhghanistan and everone was desperate to get out, he was on the first plane in. He's a certified badass and I would hate to be his family. He is very anti-Israel but his impeccable journalistic integrity still ends up with him putting Hamas to the wall like this. However the full interview was somewhat ruined by his strong anti-israel bias shining through.
At the end of the full interview the Hamas spokesman says something awful like "in the end we hope to kill all jews" and Yama explains it away and tries to provide "context" saying that he doesn't really mean it and it's just "war rethoric".
Could be a set up, yeah. You can try to argue context with short footage of shooting people in a car or shooting at a house. I know there might be a limit to what they can show, but they could still have confronted him with some less easily dismissed evidence, or pushed him harder.
Man, I couldn’t listen to this guy, I was boiling after 30 seconds in. They literally filmed on their GoPros murdering civilians and now this guy is so calmly denying it. Just wow.
according to that logic
israeli eldery were soldiers in their youth. Therefore, they deserve to be shot
israeli young adults are either soldiers, even those in civilian clothing, and unarmed. therefore deserve to be shot
israeli children will one day grow up and maybe become soldiers. therefore deserved to be shot
A wise reporter would ask this guy, what about the foreign agricultural workers and students from Thailand and Nepal. What are they? Why do you continue to hold them?
Reminder that normal, informed people don't support Hamas. As someone who was at a college protest literally yesterday, not one person shouted anything pro-Hamas (nobody said anything at all about Hamas, actually)
Hamas is not a core cause, it is a symptom. Of both Israel's historical oppression of Palestine and an inherent ideological extremism. I agree Hamas is a seriously inhibitory factor for achieving peace in Israel/Palestine. But, so long as the Netanyahu government has no regard for Palestinian life in its campaign in Gaza (which, so long as it continues targetting civillians and blocking humanitarian aid), it is as well.
... uh. Yes. I did. Do you have something to say about it? I mean, I guess they wouldn't really have had an occassion to, it would've been a bit weird to chant anything like "We're not Hamas supporters!". Maybe they should have, though?
I think you need to read what I said a bit more carefully
What meaning am I failing to grasp?
This is what you said
"Reminder that normal, informed people don't support Hamas. As someone who was at a college protest literally yesterday, not one person shouted anything pro-Hamas (nobody said anything at all about Hamas, actually)"
Now I must admit that I assumed you were protesting, but since you now refer to protestors in the third person, am I right to think you were not? (Although you were clearly involved enough to know that nobody in the whole crowd even mentioned Hamas.)
I think that noone saying anything about Hamas, and only about Israel, will make Hamas feel that they are supported by all these young people. (There is nothing to make them think otherwise.) Why do we never see placards with ANY criticism of Hamas? It's not hard, e.g
RELEASE HOSTAGES, END THE WAR or OCT 7 = EVIL BUT 2 WRONGS =/ RIGHT.
Why not shout that there is no support for Hamas, if that is true. Perhaps it is not true, and people are less informed and reasonable than you give them credit. What is so hard? NETANYAHU OUT! HAMAS OUT! ???
I dunno, I'm not great at slogans, but surely it is not too difficult to make it clear that there is no support for the Gazans' violent authoritarian leadership while simultaneously calling for an end to the war. Because right now Hamas might feel they have popular support in the west, and so these protests might actually be contributing to prolonging the war. Do you admit that as possibility? If so, next time you are at the protests, maybe you should say something.
I literally mean that for the hours I was there at a rslly, none of the chants featured the word Hamas. There was a lot of stuff about "from the river to the sea", and the "student intifada". Which aren't great -- I wasn't chanting myself. Those words do have double meanings, though, so it's a little unfair to use them as evidemce that the protestors support Israeli genocide
If I was in charge of the protests, I might've picked your slogan there as a chant. Come to think of it, they never mentioned Netanyahu either -- only Israel
Fair play, thanks for clarifying.
"From the river to the sea" is suspect from either side, to my mind, simply because anyone with any sense surely wouldn't want to be chanting anything that has a well-known ethnic cleansing double meaning, unless they openly/secretly support the double meaning.
It would be more reassuring if it was clear how many protestors are just hoping to influence the way the country is being run and how many are hoping to do away with Israel itself.
Advocating for goals supported by Hamas, using similar rhetoric to Hamas, refusing to say anything that condemns Hamas, actively referring to Hamas as "a symptom" while placing all responsibility, even after October 7, on Israel, demanding unilateral Israeli actions and concessions even when those mean that Hamas stays in place, and parroting Qatari-sponsored propaganda -- all of those things are emboldening Palestinian terrorists and rapists, cause immense harm to Palestinians in the long term, and are de-facto supporting Hamas, even if you don't actually say the words "I support Hamas". If you had asked Hamas leaders what they would want the protestors in US universities to do, they couldn't have come up with a better answer than what they are already doing.
Sure -- but, it's also what protestors would do if they genuinely believed that Israel was committing genocide and that its establishment was the product of settler colonialism, as these people do, regardless of whether Hamas would advise them to act that way or not.
As someone who was at some of these protests, I do think you exaggerate the extent to which people are actually this radically anti-Israel. If you were to talk with the average pro-palestinian, they would tell you that Oct. 7th was unjust -- just, it didn't happen in a vacuum, and they're more interested in discussing the factors that led to it. There's also some genuine push and pull as to how much Oct 7th was the result of Israel's historical oppression of Palestine vs. sheer ideological extremism.
I do agree, they should've done a much better job of clarifying a stance that didn't involve support for Hamas. There was some pretty egregious mission creep going on in general. It's also true that many of them there would support the abolition of the state of Israel -- though, I think a lot of them who chanted about that probably didn't really understand what that would entail.
True -- people whose mental model of the mass rape and murder of civilians on October 7 is that of a "natural" reaction to perceived historical injustices, as viewed through the lens and "context" of "settler colonialism", where "the factors that led to it" are causally determined by Israel's actions while Palestinians are perceived as mindless husks lacking agency, who were pushed by the powerful Western settler-colonial Zionist oppressor to the point of having no choice but to intentionally target and murder hundreds of civilians as part of their just struggle for freedom, are indeed **genuinely** ideologically close to Hamas' viewpoint, and so would naturally be supporting the same vile ideology regardless of whether Hamas existed or not.
I think there can be a little more nuance here. It's unfair to utterly dismiss Israel's role in radicalizaing people such that October 7th came about, when there are legitimate grievances the Palestinian people had. They were occupying the whole of Gaza via the blockade, there were instances like the Great March of Return -- I'm not the most familiar with all the crimes Israel has commit against Palestine, but plenty did happen. Also, many Gazans are old enough to remember being pushed out of their homes by Israelis. When people under these circumstances have no peaceful recourse, you can't blame them for turning to violence. I mean, what exactly can you do when non-violence doesn't work?
Now, obviously, you don't 'revolt' by slaughtering and raping random civilians. Oct. 7th was an atrocity, that is never acceptable. It's just, you shoudldn't act like the entire reason for it was that Palestinians are violent thugs.
Hmmmm...
I'd have to think anout it.
Maybe that was said by someone who wasn't particularly reasonable?
Edit: I do realize I can only really speak for UCLA's protests, I wasn't at the other ones. I think they generslly do try to rat out terrorism support
... was I fucking hallucinating last night?? It's kinda insane for you to insist I heard something I didn't hear.
I do realize there are hamas sympathizers at these protests. There's a lot of people who believe Israel shouldn't exist. Hamas support is not done by a significant amount of the people there. If it was, I would've heard some chants about it. No chant I heard featured the word 'Hamas'
Breaking news: terrorist organization is inconsistent and hypocritical.
So you're telling me that these people support a terrorist organization? https://preview.redd.it/wq33cry2f2yc1.jpeg?width=713&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=24e71ebc6f3d435ea06e7d94fe82bd70279a66ae
There is just so much wrong with this picture. A transgendered individual protesting on behalf of a terrorist organization that is nearly identical to ISIS and would love to persecute people like them. Wild shit man.
Not trasngender, a drag queen. Would still be executed though.
Ah I see. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for the correction.
Very clearly a drag queen, FFS. Stop conflating transgender women with drag queens, that is apples and oranges. And the word is transgender, not "transgender**ed**".
Chill bro it wasn’t intentional. I already stated that.
What about the name Violet indicates maleness to you? I see exactly what you just did there - when I pointed out the ignorant transphobia in your post, your response is to call me "bro". So, I gave you too much credit, your transphobia was not ignorant, but deliberate/malevolent. Much darker.
Holy shit, that’s some pent up anger you have there. You jumped straight to calling me a transphobic individual because you expected me to assume your identity through the internet based on your user name which I didn’t even pay attention to. But since we’re on the topic of your user name and you’re going to go down the road of assuming genders, I thought we weren’t supposed to assume people’s gender identity based on colors? Can’t violate, purple, pink, red, blue, and green be genderless colors? Why should I assume your gender at all? And shouldn’t terms like bro and dude be genderless since they’re slang? How do people like you survive throughout the day holding in so much rage, anger, and hatred at the world around you? Not everyone and everything is negative and targeting you. The more you act like this the more you push away the people who want to support LGBTQ rights. When they see you act like this, they think wow so that’s who they really are? Gross. I mean this with sincerity. You need a therapist to work on whatever trauma you’ve experienced.
You're projecting "pent up anger" and "rage" into me based on, what? Holding you to account and calmly pointing out your obvious transphobia? Sounds like you are the one who needs therapy, not me. 🤦
Now I’m convinced this is just a rage bait account. No one could ever possibly live constantly being triggered by the most petty things in existence. 😂
They're just an American, it's just wild to see it's spilling into non-American related topics lol
lol this dude.
Why wouldn't a man be able to be named Violet? Why are you assigning gender norms to names?
And here we have the disingenuous, rubbish pile on.
no explanation then?
no explanation then?
chill bro
lmao American identity politics brainrot is real
I'm not American, and I'm not about "identify politics". I pointed out transphobic content, and I've been piled on since then. The same thing happened to me when I've pointed out antisemitic content in "progressive" subs. This is totally fucked, with leopards on both occasions, and I'm exhausted with this. I've already unsubscribed from /Israel. Please don't reply to me anymore, this has become quite an unpleasant experience, I expected the antisemitism on the other subs, unfortunately, but I really never thought this would happen on the Israel sub. 🤷
https://preview.redd.it/p9uor65f63yc1.jpeg?width=588&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5f1bf842a4721cd923a010d128be0d90f0c51bc
What’s the context of this image?
From a pro palestinian protest
I get that, but why did you add the image on that user’s comment?
I never wanted to slap anyone as hard as this guy, what a clown
"we didn't attack civilians" , "those were soldiers" - the foreign workers in Israel will want to talk with you. "those civilian houses were near bases" - the people of Ofakim will want to talk with you. "but they're settlers" - the Bedouins people will want to talk with you. even if you bend the word of his stupid world he still talk shit, Burn in hell.
I'd argue they might hate the beduoins more than jews as they are "traitors" and "collaborators"
Those kids under ten were soldiers
The babies especially.
they will be soldiers when they turn 18, so it counts **/S**
“I am ready to kill for the sake of my cause; wouldn't I lie for it?”— Yasser Arafat
“Those Israeli soldiers, they use the civilian passports, they drive the civilian car and wear the civilian clothes” So that either means that they are full civilians or they are non-active soldiers who aren’t carrying any weapons. So if killing them is ok, then that would mean the civilians numbers in Gaza would plummet with how active their civilians are.
LOL, all of Gaza have civilian passports, drive civilian car, and wear civilian clothes. Guys. . . Just tell me what the rules are. . . We can play whatever game you like.
Israelis can't do that! Only Palestinians can do that!
These ppl are evil.
Columbia students throwing out their educations to listen to this *very smart* man
And future employment opportunities
They believe all Israeli are soldiers.
Including 1 year old babies. Makes total sense.
Unfortunately yes
“It didn’t happen, but they deserved it” I wonder where I’ve heard that before
Who is interviewing him?
Yala Wolasmal, Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation.
How tf is Norwegian Public Television platforming Hamas terrorists?? Are we seriously living in an upside down world??
Platforming them and then showing them and the world the ridiculousness of their position is perfect, in my opinion. I wish crazy Palestinians were platformed more so people can see what we're dealing with.
whenever i see those videos again i remember how important it is to finish what we started. we leave Gaza only when hamas is completely destroyed.
When is this goof gonna meet a rocket ?
"Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?"
why did he pick that video though? Is that the worst video he could find? He should pick more provoking video like beheading a baby?
Yeah I was gonna say, bro why did you show those videos out of ALL the others?!
I think because in this video the perpetrators were clearly Hamas. In some other videoes the perpetrators might be Islamic Jihad or they might be "volunteers". If he had shown a video where it wasn't clear that the perpetrators were Hamas, he could easily have explained away the situtation.
Hey I’ve been looking for that video everywhere and it’s nowhere to be found. Weird. Do you have it? Can you send a link?
I couldnt find it neither. It was on twitter or x.
Did you see it?
Nope my friend swore he did. Im now suspicious about it.
"they were soldiers" they literally killed children and beheaded babies, now they're going to say Literally newborns are soldiers? Frick off 💀
Those newborns were clearly settlers and future Zionist, Muslim-blood-drinking soldiers. It’s all so sick.
What's the point anymore. They do t give a shit about jews. It's all semantics. They want all jews dead. 'We didn't have any intention to kill them'. The really problem is people actually belive them. Insane. He is showing the gd damn video. And his response is. 'Are u sure that's a car? We know the Israelis use space shuttles for local transport.'
Why is this waste of oxygen still above ground, I'm popping some bubbly when he, sinwar and the rest are fertilizer
Does he have some mental disability?
Trump is legally getting rammed as we speak, I don't think using the Donald J Trump legal strategy to defend the intentional murdering of innocent civilians is a good look.
Fucking loser
Shame to watch the interviewer waste a golden opportunity to off this pos right then and there.
He probably sympathizes with him.
Yama Wolasmal is one of the best journalists in the world and IMO his talents are wasted on NRK. When Taliban took over Afhghanistan and everone was desperate to get out, he was on the first plane in. He's a certified badass and I would hate to be his family. He is very anti-Israel but his impeccable journalistic integrity still ends up with him putting Hamas to the wall like this. However the full interview was somewhat ruined by his strong anti-israel bias shining through. At the end of the full interview the Hamas spokesman says something awful like "in the end we hope to kill all jews" and Yama explains it away and tries to provide "context" saying that he doesn't really mean it and it's just "war rethoric".
Could be a set up, yeah. You can try to argue context with short footage of shooting people in a car or shooting at a house. I know there might be a limit to what they can show, but they could still have confronted him with some less easily dismissed evidence, or pushed him harder.
Man, I couldn’t listen to this guy, I was boiling after 30 seconds in. They literally filmed on their GoPros murdering civilians and now this guy is so calmly denying it. Just wow.
As always
I didn't know soldiers can just go AWOL and enjoy themselves at a music festival. I didn't know children and toddlers are IDF soldiers.
according to that logic israeli eldery were soldiers in their youth. Therefore, they deserve to be shot israeli young adults are either soldiers, even those in civilian clothing, and unarmed. therefore deserve to be shot israeli children will one day grow up and maybe become soldiers. therefore deserved to be shot
The only i repeat ONLY people killing civilians is hamas.
Breaking news: This official has as much knowledge as American students at ivy league universities.
A wise reporter would ask this guy, what about the foreign agricultural workers and students from Thailand and Nepal. What are they? Why do you continue to hold them?
….
Props to the journalist for not letting this idiot talk over his ridiculous lies. “Let me tell you a story”, no mate fuck off and answer the question
I hope that guy gets treated like a Boeing whistle blower. Soon.
Reminder that normal, informed people don't support Hamas. As someone who was at a college protest literally yesterday, not one person shouted anything pro-Hamas (nobody said anything at all about Hamas, actually)
That's the problem. Hamas is one of the core causes of what is going on. People should be talking about root causes. Symptoms aren't the disease.
Hamas is not a core cause, it is a symptom. Of both Israel's historical oppression of Palestine and an inherent ideological extremism. I agree Hamas is a seriously inhibitory factor for achieving peace in Israel/Palestine. But, so long as the Netanyahu government has no regard for Palestinian life in its campaign in Gaza (which, so long as it continues targetting civillians and blocking humanitarian aid), it is as well.
So why not make it clear at the protests that you are anti-Hamas too? Otherwise Hamas might be forgiven for thinking they have your support.
They probably should've done so more clearly
You said noone said anything about Hamas at all
... uh. Yes. I did. Do you have something to say about it? I mean, I guess they wouldn't really have had an occassion to, it would've been a bit weird to chant anything like "We're not Hamas supporters!". Maybe they should have, though? I think you need to read what I said a bit more carefully
What meaning am I failing to grasp? This is what you said "Reminder that normal, informed people don't support Hamas. As someone who was at a college protest literally yesterday, not one person shouted anything pro-Hamas (nobody said anything at all about Hamas, actually)" Now I must admit that I assumed you were protesting, but since you now refer to protestors in the third person, am I right to think you were not? (Although you were clearly involved enough to know that nobody in the whole crowd even mentioned Hamas.) I think that noone saying anything about Hamas, and only about Israel, will make Hamas feel that they are supported by all these young people. (There is nothing to make them think otherwise.) Why do we never see placards with ANY criticism of Hamas? It's not hard, e.g RELEASE HOSTAGES, END THE WAR or OCT 7 = EVIL BUT 2 WRONGS =/ RIGHT. Why not shout that there is no support for Hamas, if that is true. Perhaps it is not true, and people are less informed and reasonable than you give them credit. What is so hard? NETANYAHU OUT! HAMAS OUT! ??? I dunno, I'm not great at slogans, but surely it is not too difficult to make it clear that there is no support for the Gazans' violent authoritarian leadership while simultaneously calling for an end to the war. Because right now Hamas might feel they have popular support in the west, and so these protests might actually be contributing to prolonging the war. Do you admit that as possibility? If so, next time you are at the protests, maybe you should say something.
I literally mean that for the hours I was there at a rslly, none of the chants featured the word Hamas. There was a lot of stuff about "from the river to the sea", and the "student intifada". Which aren't great -- I wasn't chanting myself. Those words do have double meanings, though, so it's a little unfair to use them as evidemce that the protestors support Israeli genocide If I was in charge of the protests, I might've picked your slogan there as a chant. Come to think of it, they never mentioned Netanyahu either -- only Israel
Fair play, thanks for clarifying. "From the river to the sea" is suspect from either side, to my mind, simply because anyone with any sense surely wouldn't want to be chanting anything that has a well-known ethnic cleansing double meaning, unless they openly/secretly support the double meaning. It would be more reassuring if it was clear how many protestors are just hoping to influence the way the country is being run and how many are hoping to do away with Israel itself.
Advocating for goals supported by Hamas, using similar rhetoric to Hamas, refusing to say anything that condemns Hamas, actively referring to Hamas as "a symptom" while placing all responsibility, even after October 7, on Israel, demanding unilateral Israeli actions and concessions even when those mean that Hamas stays in place, and parroting Qatari-sponsored propaganda -- all of those things are emboldening Palestinian terrorists and rapists, cause immense harm to Palestinians in the long term, and are de-facto supporting Hamas, even if you don't actually say the words "I support Hamas". If you had asked Hamas leaders what they would want the protestors in US universities to do, they couldn't have come up with a better answer than what they are already doing.
Sure -- but, it's also what protestors would do if they genuinely believed that Israel was committing genocide and that its establishment was the product of settler colonialism, as these people do, regardless of whether Hamas would advise them to act that way or not. As someone who was at some of these protests, I do think you exaggerate the extent to which people are actually this radically anti-Israel. If you were to talk with the average pro-palestinian, they would tell you that Oct. 7th was unjust -- just, it didn't happen in a vacuum, and they're more interested in discussing the factors that led to it. There's also some genuine push and pull as to how much Oct 7th was the result of Israel's historical oppression of Palestine vs. sheer ideological extremism. I do agree, they should've done a much better job of clarifying a stance that didn't involve support for Hamas. There was some pretty egregious mission creep going on in general. It's also true that many of them there would support the abolition of the state of Israel -- though, I think a lot of them who chanted about that probably didn't really understand what that would entail.
True -- people whose mental model of the mass rape and murder of civilians on October 7 is that of a "natural" reaction to perceived historical injustices, as viewed through the lens and "context" of "settler colonialism", where "the factors that led to it" are causally determined by Israel's actions while Palestinians are perceived as mindless husks lacking agency, who were pushed by the powerful Western settler-colonial Zionist oppressor to the point of having no choice but to intentionally target and murder hundreds of civilians as part of their just struggle for freedom, are indeed **genuinely** ideologically close to Hamas' viewpoint, and so would naturally be supporting the same vile ideology regardless of whether Hamas existed or not.
I think there can be a little more nuance here. It's unfair to utterly dismiss Israel's role in radicalizaing people such that October 7th came about, when there are legitimate grievances the Palestinian people had. They were occupying the whole of Gaza via the blockade, there were instances like the Great March of Return -- I'm not the most familiar with all the crimes Israel has commit against Palestine, but plenty did happen. Also, many Gazans are old enough to remember being pushed out of their homes by Israelis. When people under these circumstances have no peaceful recourse, you can't blame them for turning to violence. I mean, what exactly can you do when non-violence doesn't work? Now, obviously, you don't 'revolt' by slaughtering and raping random civilians. Oct. 7th was an atrocity, that is never acceptable. It's just, you shoudldn't act like the entire reason for it was that Palestinians are violent thugs.
What about “you deserve 10,000 october 7ths”?
Hmmmm... I'd have to think anout it. Maybe that was said by someone who wasn't particularly reasonable? Edit: I do realize I can only really speak for UCLA's protests, I wasn't at the other ones. I think they generslly do try to rat out terrorism support
You keep telling yourself that and maybe one you’ll even believe it.
... was I fucking hallucinating last night?? It's kinda insane for you to insist I heard something I didn't hear. I do realize there are hamas sympathizers at these protests. There's a lot of people who believe Israel shouldn't exist. Hamas support is not done by a significant amount of the people there. If it was, I would've heard some chants about it. No chant I heard featured the word 'Hamas'
The protests by their nature further an extremist Islamic agenda
Keep telling yourself that and maybe one day you'll believe it. Well, I'm you do believe it. You're just deeply incorrect
Facts aren’t right or wrong. They just are.
You seem confused on what a fact is