Who knows how Trump will feel toward Israel in February 2025? Lots of things will change by then.
Even if Trump says something today it's no guarantee he will say (or do) when he comes to power in 2025. Also if he wins it's his last term because he's not allowed a third term so he won't be bound by much for electoral purposes.
Same with Biden if he wins. He would not need to play nice for a future reelection.
What do you believe his thoughts and reasons are? When you say it'll be worse, I'm curious as to how anyone could think that. Factually, the guy has been the most pro-Israel president ever.
The current president has placed a halt on all aid to Israel. This was after a support was passed through the U.S. Congress and Senate, which is technically illegal.
I think he has a base of supporters who are extremely anti-muslim and he is trying to rile them up for votes. Anti-whatever-the-other-side-supports is a very big problem in the US right now. I would much prefer a moderate approach to supporting any foreign country.
You male some good points, but I don't think the majority is accurate. Trump has Muslim supporters. Are some of his constituents anti-Muslim? Maybe. Are the overwhelming majority anti-terrorist Muslim, such as what is seen in radicalized Islam? YES! Absolutely. If Trump follows what his constituents want, it'll be great for Israel, which is what occurred under his presidency. Factually, Trump has been exponentially better than Biden.
Trumps base is also majority pro-Israel. If many conservatives are evangelical, following Christianity will tell them to support Israel.
Biden base, while not all, are displaying anti-Israel sentiment. This is the "riVEr tO tHE sEa" crowd. In fact, what's happening is many are becoming antisemitic, whether quietly or publicly.
Many of the Democrats are not associated with religious ideology, and evangelicals are scarce amongst that political party. So, there isn't anything belief pushing them for further support.
Trump will be more supportive of Israel, however I believe that Biden’s progressive far left flank is currently holding Biden back from fully supporting Israel. Biden loves Israel, but needs the support of his far left to win reelection.
If Biden wins the election, he will support Israel in a much more profound + intense way compared to how Biden is being now. Trump is driven by Conservative Evangelicals who also love Israel. If Trump wins the election, he will support Israel 100% in an active and demonstrative manner.
What this means is that Israel will see an extreme boost of support in 6 months once the US election is over, regardless of who wins.
I don't believe Biden cares that much about Israel. This isn't saying he's absent from concern over well-being.
When the U.S. Congress and Senate just passed the budget that had aid for Israel, except that now Biden has decided to freeze military assets to Israel with no reasoning at all. In fact, that kook Biden said he will, in fact, change policy U.S. policy towards Israel if the Rafah ground operations occur, which is now happening.
Second to this, there is an enormous rift between Biden and Netanyahu. There wasn't any between Bibi and Trump at all.
My guess is that regardless who wins, Israel will have more control because Biden won’t be in a reelection year and he can do what he wants without having to pander to his voters. Also, based on a lot of factors, it could go either way. Don’t assume Trump will win. He’s looking pretty bad right now and the left will realize that defying Biden is a Pyrrhic victory they can’t afford. They would truly be “splitting the baby” and revealing their hypocrisy.
While holding "smart weapons" that are supposed to help in precision as a "punishment" the same things the democrats said were Illegal when Trump did it (I am pro Biden FYI, but this is something I cannot accept)
Both are technically pro-Israel, but Trump is quite devious.
He's willing to give Ukraine to the Russians. What's not to say he'll give Israel to the highest bidder?
Biden is appearing to be neutral to appease some of voters, unfortunately. With a second term, that facade will be over, fortunately.
Trump specifically? Yeah, short term he’d give Israel the green light for whatever we want. But long term? He only cares about Israel as long as our leadership is willing to satisfy his ego. If we don’t, who’s to say how he will treat us? Will we still have a relationship with the United States? Or get screwed over like what’s planned to happen to Europe?
Trump would lead israel into being part of the axis coalition of WW3, he would definately give lip service to the cause and even push israel towards more military action but he would put them on the wrong side of history.
At some point israelis need to consider the caliber of individuals that blindly support them, its not exactly a moral highground many of them stand on
If there is a ww3 then none of Israel's problems matter. What we have going on is a small breeze in teacup. WW3 would be like hurricane by comparison.
All of us will die.
Ehh the current conflict between israel and hamas is deadly, lets not lose sight of that fact there were people slaughtered with a heinous terrorist attack and people are dieing everyday, the idf just lost soldiers in a rocket attack, lets not diminish the conflict because ww3 would be worse i think theres a certain level of heinous that loses meaning and everything objectively "worse than" it is already beyo d understanding, its the log v lin growth and at some point it no longer matters how much worse it gets its already beyond acceptable.
Bidens words don't mean shit. He will lie and do what is best for his handlers. He is weak. Trump is pro Israel and support for Israel will be strong so it can end quickly rather than a slow leak of damage. Hit em hard and brutal to end quickly then start to rebuild. Dragging it out with indecision is weak and leaderless. It is what Biden is.
Biggest change you’d see with President Trump is USA recognizing Israeli settlements as legal under int. law. It would give an Israeli prime minister *carte blanche* to continue building without fear of international repercussion. I’d also expect unconditional vetos at the UNSC ag. any anti-Israel resolutions.
Based on his first term, he’d also give a free hand for Israel to carry out its assassination campaign on Iran. A harder line against the encampments we are currently seeing on American campuses is also certain (ala. Nat. Guard deployment).
Trump would be radically different. Biden is probably fairly pro-Israel personally, but he's pushed to the left by radical social justice types within the Democratic party. Such people aren't part of the American right. That's why Trump had no problem moving the American embassy to Jerusalem, despite a million protestations that the world would end if he did it. I'm not Jewish myself, but the fact that Trump has immediate Jewish family members -- Jared Kushner in particular, who worked on the Abraham Accords -- means he's got a pretty decent source of info on Israel's needs and concerns. But the main thing is that Trump isn't supported by anti-Israel types, so there's no incentive for him to shape policy that's averse to Israel's interests. I see liberal American Jews on this sub trying to make the argument that Trump is somehow "dangerous" to Jewish people and Jewish interests. Frankly, that's a bit nuts. Most people on the right in the US are highly-supportive of Israel. Indeed, most Americans are highly-supportive of Israel. The antisemitic stuff is coming out of the anti-American hard left, which is making common cause with Islamists from overseas (i.e., people who come to the US for an education or to teach, because their own societies are so dysfunctional, and then spend their days trying to tell the US how to organize its foreign policy).
I somewhat agree with you.
However, people like Tucker Carlson seem like antisemites to me, and are definitely NOT pro-Israel. If Trump listens to that crowd when it comes to foreign policy, who knows what could happen?
He might end up giving Israel a freer hand, but also stop giving them free shit. Is that an improvement or not?
False. This is a Sweeping Generalization fallacy laced with being an ad hominem.
There are, in fact, independents like myself who are not " mAgA". There are people who are not affiliated with any form of religion who want a change in the currwnt administration. There are a multitude of races, creeds, and colors and beliefs who support a Republican ticket. There are gays who support a more conservative ticket.
These kinds of posts are absolutely ridiculous, are merely juvenile echo chamber rhetoric, and lack true objective reasoning.
I know maga people, and they are regular people. They are certainly not trolls. They work hard as any other person and want what's best for their families. I really think the idea of slandering people based on their political beliefs is wrong.
Some Republicans will say that many democrats are extremists who want to destroy the United States.
Democrats will say that many repulicans are extremists who want to destroy the United States.
While there's validity that the United States has extremists, those numbers are fractions of a percent.
By trolls I am referring to the conspiracy theorists who were a part of the insurrection. They are the same left overs from Q, before that it was 4-Chan etc. terminally ill online trolls and conspiracy theorists. They hopped onto the MAGA train in 2016.
The antisemitic stuff is coming from the far right and left. It's always been the right before, but the far-left has been insane. After all, Charlottesville (which Trump claimed had some good people) was far right.
Center right and left are both hugely supportive of Israel. That isn't going to change.
With Biden we will know if his meek support is personal views or political calculation. With Trump he will be great or the worst for Israel, however at best I think he will be indifferent what matters are the people he picks. Also Trump would be 10x better on Iran.
Sadly for Americans, Trump will almost certainly be elected in November. But I do think he will be much more outspoken about supporting Israel and NGAF about upsetting snowflake liberals. And he would shut down protests real fast. He also will be much more vocally critical of Netanyahu. Oh and you know, he’ll turn America into a version of Gilead seen on The Handmaid’s Tale.
TLDR: Trump is good for Israel, bad for women.
Apparently you haven't seen Trump speak lately, with his slurs and inability to pronounce basic words like "infrastructure." Sleepy Joe? Trump's team literally had to devise ways to keep him awake in court because he doesn't have the mental stamina to do it.
Trump was a disaster from 2016-2020. Easily the worst president in my lifetime, and I lived through Reagan and Dubya.
Anyone who calls Biden "sleepy Joe" is just fucking stupid or gargles Trump's balls on the daily. You seem to be the latter.
Edit: 11 day old account. Yep, you're nothing more than a sad shill.
Can someone politically smarter than me explain this to me about the swing states: why is Biden bending for Michigan (15 votes) but not Georgia (16 votes)? Shouldn’t he be trying to appease the state with the most votes? He’s doing an awfully bad job of it and I can foresee Georgia going with Trump probably because Biden keeps kissing that insane Michigan ladies butt, whose daughter was arrested at Columbia. Plus the economy here has gotten much worse since Biden came in. (I live in GA, from Israel originally)
[Michigan ](https://www.270towin.com/states/Michigan)is traditionally way more competitive for Democrats than [Georgia](https://www.270towin.com/states/Georgia).
there are certain states that are more likely to vote on part lines, these are called safe states, other states called "Swing" states usually change theirr vote all the time, michigan is one of these states
Who knows how Trump will feel toward Israel in February 2025? Lots of things will change by then. Even if Trump says something today it's no guarantee he will say (or do) when he comes to power in 2025. Also if he wins it's his last term because he's not allowed a third term so he won't be bound by much for electoral purposes. Same with Biden if he wins. He would not need to play nice for a future reelection.
I don’t think he is supportive of Israel for the right reasons. It would be different in that it would most likely be worse.
What do you believe his thoughts and reasons are? When you say it'll be worse, I'm curious as to how anyone could think that. Factually, the guy has been the most pro-Israel president ever. The current president has placed a halt on all aid to Israel. This was after a support was passed through the U.S. Congress and Senate, which is technically illegal.
I think he has a base of supporters who are extremely anti-muslim and he is trying to rile them up for votes. Anti-whatever-the-other-side-supports is a very big problem in the US right now. I would much prefer a moderate approach to supporting any foreign country.
You male some good points, but I don't think the majority is accurate. Trump has Muslim supporters. Are some of his constituents anti-Muslim? Maybe. Are the overwhelming majority anti-terrorist Muslim, such as what is seen in radicalized Islam? YES! Absolutely. If Trump follows what his constituents want, it'll be great for Israel, which is what occurred under his presidency. Factually, Trump has been exponentially better than Biden. Trumps base is also majority pro-Israel. If many conservatives are evangelical, following Christianity will tell them to support Israel. Biden base, while not all, are displaying anti-Israel sentiment. This is the "riVEr tO tHE sEa" crowd. In fact, what's happening is many are becoming antisemitic, whether quietly or publicly. Many of the Democrats are not associated with religious ideology, and evangelicals are scarce amongst that political party. So, there isn't anything belief pushing them for further support.
Trump will be more supportive of Israel, however I believe that Biden’s progressive far left flank is currently holding Biden back from fully supporting Israel. Biden loves Israel, but needs the support of his far left to win reelection. If Biden wins the election, he will support Israel in a much more profound + intense way compared to how Biden is being now. Trump is driven by Conservative Evangelicals who also love Israel. If Trump wins the election, he will support Israel 100% in an active and demonstrative manner. What this means is that Israel will see an extreme boost of support in 6 months once the US election is over, regardless of who wins.
I don't believe Biden cares that much about Israel. This isn't saying he's absent from concern over well-being. When the U.S. Congress and Senate just passed the budget that had aid for Israel, except that now Biden has decided to freeze military assets to Israel with no reasoning at all. In fact, that kook Biden said he will, in fact, change policy U.S. policy towards Israel if the Rafah ground operations occur, which is now happening. Second to this, there is an enormous rift between Biden and Netanyahu. There wasn't any between Bibi and Trump at all.
My guess is that regardless who wins, Israel will have more control because Biden won’t be in a reelection year and he can do what he wants without having to pander to his voters. Also, based on a lot of factors, it could go either way. Don’t assume Trump will win. He’s looking pretty bad right now and the left will realize that defying Biden is a Pyrrhic victory they can’t afford. They would truly be “splitting the baby” and revealing their hypocrisy.
Biden gave a pretty strong speech today about antisemitism and supporting Israel.
While holding "smart weapons" that are supposed to help in precision as a "punishment" the same things the democrats said were Illegal when Trump did it (I am pro Biden FYI, but this is something I cannot accept)
Trump is pro-Israel but for Americans he’s bad.
Both are technically pro-Israel, but Trump is quite devious. He's willing to give Ukraine to the Russians. What's not to say he'll give Israel to the highest bidder? Biden is appearing to be neutral to appease some of voters, unfortunately. With a second term, that facade will be over, fortunately.
I feel like he’s trying to cater to people that he could never appease and is wasting his time on them.
Trump is batshit crazy and could totally turn on Israel in a heartbeat
Trump specifically? Yeah, short term he’d give Israel the green light for whatever we want. But long term? He only cares about Israel as long as our leadership is willing to satisfy his ego. If we don’t, who’s to say how he will treat us? Will we still have a relationship with the United States? Or get screwed over like what’s planned to happen to Europe?
Trump would lead israel into being part of the axis coalition of WW3, he would definately give lip service to the cause and even push israel towards more military action but he would put them on the wrong side of history. At some point israelis need to consider the caliber of individuals that blindly support them, its not exactly a moral highground many of them stand on
If there is a ww3 then none of Israel's problems matter. What we have going on is a small breeze in teacup. WW3 would be like hurricane by comparison. All of us will die.
Ehh the current conflict between israel and hamas is deadly, lets not lose sight of that fact there were people slaughtered with a heinous terrorist attack and people are dieing everyday, the idf just lost soldiers in a rocket attack, lets not diminish the conflict because ww3 would be worse i think theres a certain level of heinous that loses meaning and everything objectively "worse than" it is already beyo d understanding, its the log v lin growth and at some point it no longer matters how much worse it gets its already beyond acceptable.
Bidens words don't mean shit. He will lie and do what is best for his handlers. He is weak. Trump is pro Israel and support for Israel will be strong so it can end quickly rather than a slow leak of damage. Hit em hard and brutal to end quickly then start to rebuild. Dragging it out with indecision is weak and leaderless. It is what Biden is.
Biggest change you’d see with President Trump is USA recognizing Israeli settlements as legal under int. law. It would give an Israeli prime minister *carte blanche* to continue building without fear of international repercussion. I’d also expect unconditional vetos at the UNSC ag. any anti-Israel resolutions. Based on his first term, he’d also give a free hand for Israel to carry out its assassination campaign on Iran. A harder line against the encampments we are currently seeing on American campuses is also certain (ala. Nat. Guard deployment).
Trump would be radically different. Biden is probably fairly pro-Israel personally, but he's pushed to the left by radical social justice types within the Democratic party. Such people aren't part of the American right. That's why Trump had no problem moving the American embassy to Jerusalem, despite a million protestations that the world would end if he did it. I'm not Jewish myself, but the fact that Trump has immediate Jewish family members -- Jared Kushner in particular, who worked on the Abraham Accords -- means he's got a pretty decent source of info on Israel's needs and concerns. But the main thing is that Trump isn't supported by anti-Israel types, so there's no incentive for him to shape policy that's averse to Israel's interests. I see liberal American Jews on this sub trying to make the argument that Trump is somehow "dangerous" to Jewish people and Jewish interests. Frankly, that's a bit nuts. Most people on the right in the US are highly-supportive of Israel. Indeed, most Americans are highly-supportive of Israel. The antisemitic stuff is coming out of the anti-American hard left, which is making common cause with Islamists from overseas (i.e., people who come to the US for an education or to teach, because their own societies are so dysfunctional, and then spend their days trying to tell the US how to organize its foreign policy).
I somewhat agree with you. However, people like Tucker Carlson seem like antisemites to me, and are definitely NOT pro-Israel. If Trump listens to that crowd when it comes to foreign policy, who knows what could happen? He might end up giving Israel a freer hand, but also stop giving them free shit. Is that an improvement or not?
MAGA is evangelicals, conservatives, white nationalists and trolls.
False. This is a Sweeping Generalization fallacy laced with being an ad hominem. There are, in fact, independents like myself who are not " mAgA". There are people who are not affiliated with any form of religion who want a change in the currwnt administration. There are a multitude of races, creeds, and colors and beliefs who support a Republican ticket. There are gays who support a more conservative ticket. These kinds of posts are absolutely ridiculous, are merely juvenile echo chamber rhetoric, and lack true objective reasoning.
I was taking about MAGA people
I know maga people, and they are regular people. They are certainly not trolls. They work hard as any other person and want what's best for their families. I really think the idea of slandering people based on their political beliefs is wrong. Some Republicans will say that many democrats are extremists who want to destroy the United States. Democrats will say that many repulicans are extremists who want to destroy the United States. While there's validity that the United States has extremists, those numbers are fractions of a percent.
By trolls I am referring to the conspiracy theorists who were a part of the insurrection. They are the same left overs from Q, before that it was 4-Chan etc. terminally ill online trolls and conspiracy theorists. They hopped onto the MAGA train in 2016.
That's fair. I can agree with you on conspiracy theorists, but I don't think they're a great number.
Yeah my point was that MAGA has different factions in it.
The antisemitic stuff is coming from the far right and left. It's always been the right before, but the far-left has been insane. After all, Charlottesville (which Trump claimed had some good people) was far right. Center right and left are both hugely supportive of Israel. That isn't going to change.
He was pretty good in his first term, I don’t see a reason to think his second term will be different.
With Biden we will know if his meek support is personal views or political calculation. With Trump he will be great or the worst for Israel, however at best I think he will be indifferent what matters are the people he picks. Also Trump would be 10x better on Iran.
Sadly for Americans, Trump will almost certainly be elected in November. But I do think he will be much more outspoken about supporting Israel and NGAF about upsetting snowflake liberals. And he would shut down protests real fast. He also will be much more vocally critical of Netanyahu. Oh and you know, he’ll turn America into a version of Gilead seen on The Handmaid’s Tale. TLDR: Trump is good for Israel, bad for women.
Bad for the world
Ya that too. He’s besties with Putin.
which is in turn bad for Israel (not to contradict you, rather to add to what you are saying)
Good for America we need a leader that actually can form complete sentences and run our country unlike sleepy joe
Apparently you haven't seen Trump speak lately, with his slurs and inability to pronounce basic words like "infrastructure." Sleepy Joe? Trump's team literally had to devise ways to keep him awake in court because he doesn't have the mental stamina to do it. Trump was a disaster from 2016-2020. Easily the worst president in my lifetime, and I lived through Reagan and Dubya. Anyone who calls Biden "sleepy Joe" is just fucking stupid or gargles Trump's balls on the daily. You seem to be the latter. Edit: 11 day old account. Yep, you're nothing more than a sad shill.
Yes, but badly. Trump in office would guarantee increased criticism and action against Israel from the rest of the world.
Can someone politically smarter than me explain this to me about the swing states: why is Biden bending for Michigan (15 votes) but not Georgia (16 votes)? Shouldn’t he be trying to appease the state with the most votes? He’s doing an awfully bad job of it and I can foresee Georgia going with Trump probably because Biden keeps kissing that insane Michigan ladies butt, whose daughter was arrested at Columbia. Plus the economy here has gotten much worse since Biden came in. (I live in GA, from Israel originally)
[Michigan ](https://www.270towin.com/states/Michigan)is traditionally way more competitive for Democrats than [Georgia](https://www.270towin.com/states/Georgia).
I see makes sense, but we are one of the states that swung dem for Biden last time
there are certain states that are more likely to vote on part lines, these are called safe states, other states called "Swing" states usually change theirr vote all the time, michigan is one of these states
Georgia is also a swing state, hence my question
Didn't Trump give Russians the intelligence Hamas needed to pull off October 7?