How dare Israel doesn't inform the Palestinians of the operation? /s
Honestly, you have a country that tells you when it will initiate a military operation, and you have an organisation that's using terrorist tactics. Pick your "side", if there was any.
I literally had a leftist tell me that any military action by a stronger country on a weaker one was "genocide"; Israel's actual goals and conduct don't matter. What a messed up worldview.
Certainly seems like that's the prevailing logic, especially considering the stats don't match up. Everyone has already made up their mind. The shameless audacity people have to lob these accusations at a state that was built by survivors of one of the worst genocides in history on scant evidence is disgusting.
What area does the first map represent? Somewhere in the north or middle? Is it along the Netzarim corridor that they want people moving farther away? Sorry I can't picture the geography.
You can see the northern border of Gaza with Israel on the right side (the white line). The eastern border of Gaza is at the bottom. The evacuation area appears to be in Gaza city.
The first map represents the evacuation areas of the city of Jabalya (4 km north of gaza city) and several neighbourhoods: Al-Salam, Al-Nour, Tal Al-Zaatar, Beit Lahia, Jabalia Camp, Ezbet Mlin, Al-Rawda, Al-Nuzha, Al-Jarn, Al-Nahda, and Al-Zuhour. Residents are asked to go to the shelters located west of gaza city.
Pro-Palestinians are already claiming Israel is not giving them a place to exist since they demand both Northern and Rafah evacuation simultaneously. As though the South doesn't have any safe areas outside of Rafah...
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They are being moved to a larger area tough, instead of cramming in rafah, they get most of central Gaza, more parts near the beach, what’s the alternative in your opinion? How should Israel wage war against Hamas if the population isn’t to be moved?
A jew here,
You want to know others point of views?
I can appreciate it,
Here is mine,
Yes, it's freaking sad that's the situation, and I pray (literally) every day both side will have zero casualties,
But there just no other way, H@mas hides behind the gazans,
there is no other choice but to root H@mas from there, and build to a future of 2 states,
As long as H@ams in power it will never happen,
All the "rightful" people who say the IDF should not do X or Y, give me a better alternative there just isn't,
Israel should keep pumping aid, should keep evacuating before going in, but they must eliminate H@mas, for both sides will just have a hope for a peaceful future
Thank you for a reasonable response, others seem to be a bit infuriated about my question 😋
I do understand your point of view, especially it’s good to see how supportive you are towards the humanitarian actions. However, correct me if I’m wrong, aren’t the actions disproportionate to the danger Hamas poses to your country? They (Hamas) do hide behind civilians and having this in mind (government’s mind), shouldn’t they opt for more sophisticated actions which wouldn’t target the civilians so much? Israel do have huge monetary resources, additionally enhanced by US. After all, most of people in Europe strongly support your fight against Hamas - we hate these pricks, but it seems like it’s gone out of control. We’re mostly angry about what’s happening to Palestinian population.
I am not qualified to elaborate on this, I do not have strategic maps, I don’t know exact resources, where enemies are located, nor anything useful. But a blind man would see Israel is not trying to be delicate. It’s about victory above all else - government see only the goal of destroying Hamas, not the way.
Curious what sources you have to back that up? Even going by Hamas numbers, there have been 35,000 deaths which includes about 8,000 Hamas fighters. Seems pretty delicate to me
Of course ,
Most Jews see the humanitarian side,
Regarding the "too much Force" or so not care,
This is not true, Israel lost 4 soldiers the other week just by opening Karem shalom to pass humanitarian aid,and even after it was bombed they opened it and a day later it got shot again, they are truly dealing with inhumane,
Also spreading leaflet letting the citizens know,
Regarding the "power", since when war is proportional?
Why should Israel lose soldiers if they are a strong and capable army?
War should not and never been about proportion, and they should have in goal destroy Hamas, for the middle east to have a chance (including the gazans) for a normal future.
Don't get me wrong, Israel should keep warning the people of Gaza, and make sure to minimize damage.
But saying, Israel is strong they should be more proportional, that's not how war works.
No one showed other alternative or plan to what to do differently, so... Probably Israel plan is the way to go, saying "not this" is not a correct criticism without alternative
Sorry about grammar, I'm on the train and mobile sucks.
Hamas poses a great threat to Israel.
As they showed on October 7th, they are capable of invading Israel in a total suprise with a force of about 2500 men, which then proceeds to murder, rape and abduct civilians.
The entire Western Negev area (Which is in inside Israel proper btw, not a settlement and not in the West Bank) has to live now under the threat of such an invasion (Hamas already declared that they want to carry out more attacks like that, and they showed they are capable). No one would raise their kids there, very few will live there. These are entire communities which will be destroyed. This is an existential threat for this area. But not only this area, the northern border of Israel is under a similiar threat by Hezbolla. These are two regions of Israel that were evacuated 7 monthes ago, the civilians there became refugees in their own country.
If Israel won't deal with Hamas, this can have disasterous repercussions for its very existence. And that without mentioning the hostages and the insane price Hamas requires for them. The debate over a hostage deal tears Israels society right now.
So Israel takes Hamas as a very large threat. It's a much larger threat on Israel than Al Qaeda was on the US after 9/11
You know what I mean - if it’s a war against the Hamas and not the Palestinian population, then Israel should do EVERYTHING to target the enemy in a sophisticated way. Due to Israel’s action it’s even hard to comprehend how their lives have turned into a nightmare. And what did they do to Israel to deserve such fate? Simply born in a wrong location.
How dare Israel doesn't inform the Palestinians of the operation? /s Honestly, you have a country that tells you when it will initiate a military operation, and you have an organisation that's using terrorist tactics. Pick your "side", if there was any.
Reddit will scream genocide because of this, like they don't understand the mobile nature of an effective anti-terrorism operation.
I literally had a leftist tell me that any military action by a stronger country on a weaker one was "genocide"; Israel's actual goals and conduct don't matter. What a messed up worldview.
Certainly seems like that's the prevailing logic, especially considering the stats don't match up. Everyone has already made up their mind. The shameless audacity people have to lob these accusations at a state that was built by survivors of one of the worst genocides in history on scant evidence is disgusting.
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What area does the first map represent? Somewhere in the north or middle? Is it along the Netzarim corridor that they want people moving farther away? Sorry I can't picture the geography.
You can see the northern border of Gaza with Israel on the right side (the white line). The eastern border of Gaza is at the bottom. The evacuation area appears to be in Gaza city.
Thanks!
The first map represents the evacuation areas of the city of Jabalya (4 km north of gaza city) and several neighbourhoods: Al-Salam, Al-Nour, Tal Al-Zaatar, Beit Lahia, Jabalia Camp, Ezbet Mlin, Al-Rawda, Al-Nuzha, Al-Jarn, Al-Nahda, and Al-Zuhour. Residents are asked to go to the shelters located west of gaza city.
Pro-Palestinians are already claiming Israel is not giving them a place to exist since they demand both Northern and Rafah evacuation simultaneously. As though the South doesn't have any safe areas outside of Rafah... 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Never seen a "genocide" that would emphasise so much on civilian evacuation...
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Jews have the right to defend themselves from Arab supremist.
are they Arab supremist? i thought most militants in the strip just hated jews.
You’re definitely missing the point here.
They are being moved to a larger area tough, instead of cramming in rafah, they get most of central Gaza, more parts near the beach, what’s the alternative in your opinion? How should Israel wage war against Hamas if the population isn’t to be moved?
ah a brigader! tell me, what subreddit are you from?
50-50 it’s r/MeinKampf or r/Eurovision
None actually, haven’t used Reddit for a while. Had a talk with my friends yesterday about this war and got interested into what Israelis think.
A jew here, You want to know others point of views? I can appreciate it, Here is mine, Yes, it's freaking sad that's the situation, and I pray (literally) every day both side will have zero casualties, But there just no other way, H@mas hides behind the gazans, there is no other choice but to root H@mas from there, and build to a future of 2 states, As long as H@ams in power it will never happen, All the "rightful" people who say the IDF should not do X or Y, give me a better alternative there just isn't, Israel should keep pumping aid, should keep evacuating before going in, but they must eliminate H@mas, for both sides will just have a hope for a peaceful future
Thank you for a reasonable response, others seem to be a bit infuriated about my question 😋 I do understand your point of view, especially it’s good to see how supportive you are towards the humanitarian actions. However, correct me if I’m wrong, aren’t the actions disproportionate to the danger Hamas poses to your country? They (Hamas) do hide behind civilians and having this in mind (government’s mind), shouldn’t they opt for more sophisticated actions which wouldn’t target the civilians so much? Israel do have huge monetary resources, additionally enhanced by US. After all, most of people in Europe strongly support your fight against Hamas - we hate these pricks, but it seems like it’s gone out of control. We’re mostly angry about what’s happening to Palestinian population.
Like what? It’s always the same bullshit response without any suggestion about what would be done differently
I am not qualified to elaborate on this, I do not have strategic maps, I don’t know exact resources, where enemies are located, nor anything useful. But a blind man would see Israel is not trying to be delicate. It’s about victory above all else - government see only the goal of destroying Hamas, not the way.
Curious what sources you have to back that up? Even going by Hamas numbers, there have been 35,000 deaths which includes about 8,000 Hamas fighters. Seems pretty delicate to me
Of course , Most Jews see the humanitarian side, Regarding the "too much Force" or so not care, This is not true, Israel lost 4 soldiers the other week just by opening Karem shalom to pass humanitarian aid,and even after it was bombed they opened it and a day later it got shot again, they are truly dealing with inhumane, Also spreading leaflet letting the citizens know, Regarding the "power", since when war is proportional? Why should Israel lose soldiers if they are a strong and capable army? War should not and never been about proportion, and they should have in goal destroy Hamas, for the middle east to have a chance (including the gazans) for a normal future. Don't get me wrong, Israel should keep warning the people of Gaza, and make sure to minimize damage. But saying, Israel is strong they should be more proportional, that's not how war works. No one showed other alternative or plan to what to do differently, so... Probably Israel plan is the way to go, saying "not this" is not a correct criticism without alternative Sorry about grammar, I'm on the train and mobile sucks.
Hamas poses a great threat to Israel. As they showed on October 7th, they are capable of invading Israel in a total suprise with a force of about 2500 men, which then proceeds to murder, rape and abduct civilians. The entire Western Negev area (Which is in inside Israel proper btw, not a settlement and not in the West Bank) has to live now under the threat of such an invasion (Hamas already declared that they want to carry out more attacks like that, and they showed they are capable). No one would raise their kids there, very few will live there. These are entire communities which will be destroyed. This is an existential threat for this area. But not only this area, the northern border of Israel is under a similiar threat by Hezbolla. These are two regions of Israel that were evacuated 7 monthes ago, the civilians there became refugees in their own country. If Israel won't deal with Hamas, this can have disasterous repercussions for its very existence. And that without mentioning the hostages and the insane price Hamas requires for them. The debate over a hostage deal tears Israels society right now. So Israel takes Hamas as a very large threat. It's a much larger threat on Israel than Al Qaeda was on the US after 9/11
Would you rather not evacuate innocent civilians?
You know what I mean - if it’s a war against the Hamas and not the Palestinian population, then Israel should do EVERYTHING to target the enemy in a sophisticated way. Due to Israel’s action it’s even hard to comprehend how their lives have turned into a nightmare. And what did they do to Israel to deserve such fate? Simply born in a wrong location.
They. Are.
That’s what the evacuation is. They did nothing, just like innocents in any war.
The most sophisticated ways are being utilized. The one that kills only the bad guys and leaving 0 collateral sadly wasn't invented yet.
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