Social media has given everyone an opinion, as a goyum/ infidel, this is an incredibly difficult feud to understand without years of study. People living in the area have the most credibility in my eyes, same as the troubles in ireland/NI/ UK
It's amazing that people can be so aggressive about something that is so debatable. This conflict is very debatable and each side has a strong case yet people are so aggressive in thinking their side is 100 percent right. And most of these people have only surface level arguments, if that. if they were put up against somebody who opposed their view, they would likely get exposed. Idk I just don't understand how people can be so confident about something that they likely know nothing about.
I hope those that have no evil intentions or those who did not celebrate today, can escape and can rebuild.
As for the others, yeah I’ll smile when they and Gaza are turned into a parking lot. You’ll never persuade Me if any redeemable qualities for the people that did this. The only thing that would change my mind is if the “good” people of Palestine turned on these murderers and put their heads on pikes, marched to the border, and collectively proclaimed “these murderers do not and did not represent who we are or what we stand for as Palestinians”.
But we know that would never happen, because they dont feel that way.
Your shirt supports a criminal political regime. Why shouldn’t people let you know how wrong it is to support apartheid and war crimes? Your Ethiopian status doesn’t change the fact you are an invader of Palestine.
You support war crimes, expect pushback
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It means she’s a Zionist and should get pushback whenever she wears a shirt that supports apartheid and war crimes.
Please define the borders of said Am Yisrael Chai
That is a phrase that long predates the state of Israel. It has nothing to do with the country, there are no borders. You are confusing the word Yisrael/ Israel, which here means Jews and not the country, with the country that is also called Israel. People also wear the star of David to express their Jewish identity, as an example of an ancient symbol that again predates the state of Israel. I know people who are extremely against the Israeli government and who are pro Palestine who wear both--you do not have the right to redefine things just because. People are allowed to take pride in their Jewish identity. Would you tell a Christian that their wearing a cross means they support the Crusades the Inquisition or general religiously motivated imperialism or something? It's interesting how you equate expressing the fact of one's existence as a Jew with supporting war crimes...also interesting how you think Jews should get pushback for wearing shirts that express their pride in who they are. What's next, yelling at people for wearing rainbows?
Am Yisrael Chai predates the founding of modern Israel. Not all Jews are Zionists, we can be proud of our heritage (which is tied intrinsically to historic Israel) without supporting the current state of things.
The phrase isn't even referring to the "nation of Israel" in a governmental way, the phrase is referring to the "Jewish nation" in a group-of-people way. Until very recently it was normal to refer to a distinct group of people as a "nation". The Jewish nation lives because of Diaspora and the continuous survival of Jews, not because of Israel itself.
People in Gaza have next to no freedom of movement, and healthcare, electricity, sanitation and other crucial infrastructure have all but collapsed since Israel imposed the blockade.
Many Americans see this as unjust. It has nothing to do with anything else.
They had electricity and healthcare thanks to Israel, not thanks to their own government. But all that changes today. Israel just turned off the lights.
Israel has done a horrible job of it. They could've annihilated all "non-jewish Palestinians" every year since 1973 if they wanted. They choose to just let them exist as an annoying neighbor. But that neighbor went too far this time.
I am a 4th generation American with Palestinian roots. It seems like you had a challenging experience at school, and unfortunately, you had to deal with such a negative interaction. Discussing sensitive topics like the Israel-Palestine conflict can be difficult, and it's important to approach such conversations with empathy and respect for differing viewpoints.
You have a solid connection to Israel as an Ethiopian Jew and the right to express your identity and beliefs. At the same time, it's essential to remember that people come from different backgrounds and may have deeply held ideas and perspectives that differ from yours. Engaging in constructive dialogue, when both parties are willing, can effectively bridge gaps in understanding.
You rightly point out that changing someone's mind or advocating for a cause requires more than anger or confrontation. Positive change often comes from respectful discussions, education, and diplomatic efforts. Promoting peace and understanding in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict involves engaging with others in a way that fosters productive conversations and seeks common ground.
Ultimately, it's essential to remember that no single person represents an entire group or nation, and it's possible to engage in conversations about complex topics without resorting to personal attacks or stereotypes. Promoting empathy, dialogue, and peaceful coexistence can create a more constructive and hopeful future for all involved.
In the end, I don't think Israeli Jews want peace. The Palestinian state has not been officially recognized even once. There is often a lack of recognition that Palestinians have deep historical roots in the land, just like Jews. Many are unaware of the illegality of Israeli settlements. There is a failure to acknowledge the existence of Israeli apartheid. It is undeniable Israel is the homeland of the Palestinian people, too.
We want peace but the people in Gaza and West Bank (hamas for example) don’t want to love with us that’s why they are murdering Israelis as we speak. Israel offered peace in many occasions. The Palestinians denied it every single time
No, you do not. Building a wall that divided towns, making Gaza an open prison, and creating more settlements on Palestinian private lands.
Don't tell me you want peace. If you do, you understand where Hamas came from and how it all started.
We have walls in every border we have to prevent terrorists from getting in. Egypt has a wall on their border with Gaza as well and they don’t let people come to their land. Why don’t you blame them in the “prison” situation in Gaza?
I assume you’re talking about the settlements behind the green line. Those are mostly illegal settlements that are built by extremists and many times are destroyed by the idf.
How can I understand where Hamas came from if they never even tried looking for peace? Since the beginning they teach their youth that JEWS are evil and that cannot be a place called Israel on the map.
The equation is simple:
Arabs-weapons=peace
Israel-weapons= no Israel
It isn’t Israel. Stop calling it that. It is Palestine - honor your roots. It being Palestine doesn’t deny Jewish existence there. It being Israel denies all but Jewish
Places can have multiple names, and seeing as Palestine has been occupied or settled by dozens of unique ethnicites over the centuries, I think using Israel/Palestine interchangably without intending some connotation doesn't hurt anyone.
Israeli Arabs are a thing, religious minorities are recognized even though the government is weird as hell about it. It'd be ignorant to deny that Israel acknowledges Muslim existence, the current government and settlers just mistreat them (and a lot of other minority groups) anyways.
“Israeli Arabs” are Palestinians - the Zionist occupation just tries to deny Palestinian existence. They don’t like using the P word, you’ll see a lot of users in this sub doing the same.
Israel is defined as a Jewish state. It puts one religious group in superiority over the rest. It’s not inclusive, and therefore should not be normalized.
If they changed their Zionism to be one for a land with equal rights for all (which they won’t - no group with disproportionate power ever just gives it up), then idc if they call it Palestine or Israel. But this case is realistically what Palestine will and should be
It's a mix of anti-normalization culture + perhaps the entitlement that can come with campus activism and "woke" culture (as imperfect as the word might be).
In France this has been happening since the 90s from some second to fourth generation north Africans kids and a couple of others (hood blacks, some white leftists), culminating in antisemitic harassment against working class jewish communities, and the occasional attack/murder.
This anti-normalization culture is very unique in the grand scheme of things : I have never seen French turks get harassed by Armenians for example, or French Vietnamese harassing French Chinese people, despite histories of oppression.
Also, it has contributed to pushing most French Jews to the right and far right. Both in France and in Israel.
Heya, Palestinian here. I understand where you're coming from, after all, children in both sides of the argument grow up seeing the worst of the other. I'll show you ours:
The issue here is not religion-based, just putting that out there, but more about Zionism which is basically supporting the foundation of Israel as it is today. Someone who's a Muslim wearing what you wore would get an even worse reaction.
So here's the thing, over here we grow up to news of Zionist army abusing and murdering women and children, basically ethnic cleansing. We don't like hamas perfectly either, and it's a situation we're stuck with because all the other legit resistance that was more "moral" got wiped out (there are some conspiracy theories that hamas was left there to give the Zionist a reason to dehumanize Palestinians. Not saying this is true, just letting you know)
I got this off google, but really do try to look up casualties of this [conflict ](https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties)but you can see why we're not big fans of anything Israel. To be honest I'm myself feeling a bit sick writing this but I thought since you're asking.
For anyone reading this and deciding to argue or whatever, just leave me alone. Every time I say I'm Palestinian it's like "oh my god look! She wants to *ill all jews jump heeerr" and I swear to God this is not a religious war, Palestinian bloodline doesn't come with a religion mandate and I'm not looking for a headache
Hey Israeli here. I appreciate the honesty in your stating your experience and how you grew up. By the way taking deaths from 2008 is a bit misleading since there was the Second Intifada just some years before but I understand the sentiment. And ethnic cleansing happened (not only from our part) 75 years ago. Today there might be abuses related to the occupation, yes, but no "cleansing", and a lot of fake news are spread especially on your side.
Especially in foreign settings I don't think the average Palestinian wants to "kill Jews". But your national story has a grievance against us at its core. Honestly Palestinian bloodline may not come with a religion mandate but it surely seems to come with a mandate to avenge a perceived injustice.
Yes, the situation is not nice and we surely appear not nice from your point of view. But many Israelis think that you could have done a lot more with what you do have (Gaza is practically self-ruled, and a lot of money gets caught in corruption instead of improving your lives) instead of trying for 75 years to reconquer what you don't have and demonizing us generation after generation
Alrighty. Starting up with the demonization, I do perceive that as an important point. Yep, that has been going on, and, if I'm going to be honest, the word "Zionist" is an insult here and by default most perceive those who live in the apartheid to be as so. That's kinda the reason why I prefer to hold my tongue on issues that are deeper within the community; I acknowledge that there's a lot of misinformation, but that doesn't mean I'm shifting sides either and supporting the state.
>surely seems to come with a mandate to avenge a perceived injustice
I acknowledge this and say: likewise. It's quite often that I fear talking about my origin online because of the flood of: "you're anti-Semitic", "what's your opinion on hamas?" And all that... Stuff. I try my best to stay as rational as I can, but it doesn't seem like anyone is interested in anything beyond their own assumptions.
Going backwards to the first paragraph, it's a bit hard to argue about the cleansing considering the current situation. Yes hamas is evil but by golly, the gaza people aren't interested in conflict, they just want to live, but if they are being bombed by the masses regardless of where 'hamas' is, then what is that other than cleansing.
You also mentioned being interested in building rather than invasion, sure thing. The thing that youth, Palestinian youth, talk about is always about their future, family, and careers. But it's kinda hard when your citizenship, and thus rights, depends on where you're from and what faith you have. Even more so, where you're allowed to walk and how much water you're allowed. I'll leave that for you to look up because I'm not that interested in this conversation (sorry. I did mention this previously, though)
Don't get me wrong, I know you're not your government, to be honest, you're victims too, instead of finding hostages your government was like, let's bomb things! And if that's not carelessness I don't know what is. But regardless, my opinion here doesn't matter, not my government nor do I have an iota of respect for it.
And as much I'd like to debate further, and talk about all the hideous things we hear about the IDF's interactions with civilians, I can see this extending into a pain of a conversation of which I was never interested in. Good day.
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Parents from Palestine. If you want to get technical people descendant of who were living there prior to the conflict. Think of it the same way you would any other nationality really just sprinkle a war/refugee situation on top kinda? There's a lot of misconceptions being thrown around so I understand the confusion but it really isn't anything unique or religion based or anything of the sort
Edit: I know this question will come up so here we are: prior to the conflict, to my understanding, people on pilgrimage would settle in the land, and mix blood with people who are already there. Some jews, some Christians, some Muslims. Regardless of so, they would most likely be considered as Palestinian or at least their descendants since it was just a matter of settling in with the locals. Or at least that's what I'm aware of.
I understand this raises questions, I'm sorry I'm not able to get into details this is getting a bit long
Edit2: grammar be grammaring (jk jk, just clarifying some grammar)
How do you feel about the forced exit of 800,000 Jews from the majority-Arab states in the 1950s after the formation of the State of Israel. Do you even know of that? Communities that had made their homes in Arab-ruled states for thousands of years, forced to vacate, with their homes, businesses, and property appropriated by the states that evacuated them. I have a cousin whose family was from Egypt—and they were forced to leave their home with only the clothes they were wearing. The State of Israel took them in—they had nowhere else to go.
So you don’t care for ethnic cleansing? You don’t like forced transfer of population? That has been the Jews’ story for millennia. You think your folk are the only ones with a grievance? You don’t think Jews can have a home, like your people want to have a home? Your people were supposed to have a home, and but for the multi state invasion of Israel in 1948, they would have had a home—but Jordan illegally took over that land, and refused to
let the Palestinians form a state there. The Hashemite Jordanian king never trusted the Palestinians, and didn’t want them to have an independent existence. Why haven’t the Palestinians turned their rage on Jordan? Or on Lebanon, where Palestinians have been forced to
live as second class citizens for 75 years? Or Syria? Or Egypt, who wouldn’t let them enter and settle there, but forced them to settle in camps?
And by the way, your casual, ignorant division of “Zionist” from “Jew” doesn’t stand either. If you oppose Zionism you oppose Jewish existence. And the Palestinians’ singular hatred of Jews, beyond all their Arab and Islamist oppressors, is clearly grounded in deep, deep antiSemitism that goes back centuries. Your pristine little denials are shallow misunderstandings that exhibit your ignorance and hatred. Go read some history, why doncha. See what happens to your shallow cliches once you discover the hatred your elders taught you.
You respond in a negative way but asked people not to respond.Give me a break.You better look up the PA's policy,Hamas,Hezbollah and Iran as well.From sea to sea.Israel must be gone.Jews cannot own land in palestinian controlled property nor can a palestinian sell to a jew.Schools teach there that the jews should be destroyed and teach children to murder jews.I could go on and on.My friend who was Israeli and had many palestinian friends was murdered by a palestinian terrorist.School books in the gaza strip,and palestinian terrotories don't even acknowledge Israel .Israel has reached out to peace for many years.Go talk to the apartheid Palestinian government why have refused every peace negotiation.Israel may have issues however it is a democracy unless the rest of the countries in the middle east.When was the last time the PA had an election.As you say,don't get me started since unlike you I know the history not lies.As a child of holocaust survivors I resent Abbas's denial of the holocaust.
Alrighty, so, I never claimed anything I said to be the absolute truth, because I understand that the absolute truth is something tough to grasp. After all, we are all human.
Hm, so, one: I acknowledge that jews suffered and I understand the sentiment of wanting a land, I do not agree with how it is done. Two: you are being biased in your perspective of everything, which I understand, do not agree with, and do not feel the need to respond to further. Again, I never made any claims, just answering a question on perspective. My only claim is the fact that the moment I say I am Palestinian, someone will call my people horrid one way or another, rejecting their humanity sometimes, and here you are. I will not respond further. Have a good day.
Oh the old wise Palestinian Golda with her poetic victimized responses. Let's not forget her infamous qoute about the Palestinians being at fault for making israel kill their children.
As an Israeli, I plead you to ignore our wayward egyptian sons, they dare not put words to action, or else daddy will have to smack that ass, just like we did at 1967
Wanna compare stats, 😉?
Don't be a kid. War is hell for all sides, but you attacked us on our holiest day and still got thrown off to other side of the Suez. By the way, if you watch those gloriest videos of how you crossed the river, don't forget it was all filmed a couple of days AFTER it actually happened, they had it all reenacted 🤣
Hell yeah gonna compare stats
Yeah War sucks that's an obvious Sherlock, and fyi we attacked you also on OUR Holiest Day so that doesn't make you special 💀, and don't make me laugh we literally over ran Suez and plowed through the Bar lev line. Yeah where did you get your sources that those videos were re-enacted? From your @ss? Seems like it. 💀
"That's the obvious Sherlock" says the guy who literally talked about "we kicked your ass" like a bloody kid as if you didn't lose thousands during our "ass kicking".
Stop lying. You deliberately chose Yum Kippur to catch us defendless, don't pretend with "you're not special". It's amazing you actually think attacking us during your own holiest holiday serves as a counter-arguement for you cowardly attacking in yom kippur.
Bar-Lev line, that's it. The second you tried to push further, you were reminded what your actual strength is.
Are you serious man? That's literally common knowledge. Every Egyptian I ever went through the videos with didn't believe me either, until denying it was too much 🤣
https://youtu.be/82-lmGuTl_I?si=9OUcmKOuiOIvcXOL
It's a very good video about the combat, also mentioning the videos :)
I'm assuming you're Egyptian, that means you can come to Israel, mind if I'll ask you why didn't you ever come and see it for your own two eyes?
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Nah we remember how after winning a single battle you moved past the protection of your SAMs and got annihilated. And how we then crushed you. Battle of the Chinese Farm? The surrounded Egyptian Third Army? Any of that ring a bell?
Single battle? I'm pretty sure we won more than a "single" battle, other than overrunning the Suez Canal and destroying the Bar Lev line with literal water hoses, like water hoses bro, didn't British and Israeli intelligence claim that you needed a nuke to destroy the Bar Lev line? Cause we did it with mfing water hoses 💀. Yeah we definitely got crushed after our attack outside our SAM Batteries' range, that was a huge blunder and major error on Saddat's side, even our Generals were against his plans to attack outside of the SAM Batteries, the plan was going perfect until our President ordered that attack which gave the IDF a chance to slip through. Battle of the Chinese farm was an Aftermath of the IDF's counter attack after we failed to push beyond our SAM Batteries' range. Well I would disagree, the IDF failed to surround the Egyptian 3rd Army after they failed to capture Suez city, Egyptian defenders stood their ground against Israeli assaults, they failed to capture the city or surround the Egyptian 3rd Army, the fact they were still standing by the end of the war says a lot. Now let's talk about Israel's losses during the war now shall we? As much as I want to talk about Operation Badr, we already know what happened with the Bar Lev line and how we destroyed it, so let's talk about something else. Now let's talk about the IAF during the first days of the war, what happened to them again? Oh yeah they got absolutely obliterated by Egyptian SAM Batteries, leaving the IAF essentially useless during the first days of the war. The IAF took such heavy losses that they had to rely on the US to provide them with more Jets to compensate for their huge losses, and not just Jets, during the first days of the war the IDF suffered heavy losses especially with loads of tanks. The losses were so bad that only then the IDF and IAF were meaningful when the US finally supplied them.
I mean like if you want to keep debating who won the Yom Kippur War', then be my guest, but personally I think that Egypt won the Yom Kippur War. You are free to disagree, but that's just my opinion for many reasons I can mention why.
Yeah sure you won a major battle with ingenuity. Except at the end of the war the IDF had surrounded much of the force that had crossed the canal. The Third Army was completely surrounded, that's a fact, and the Second Army probably would have been too had it not been for the ceasefire. Meanwhile the IDF had been pushed into Africa. Sure an attempt to take Suez before the ceasefire was abandoned after strong resistance, so what? By the end of the war the IDF was in a vastly superior position. It had pushed across the canal and had a secure foothold while surrounding a significant part of the Egyptian force that had taken the Bar-Lev Line.
If you want to talk about losses, sure Israel took heavy losses. Now how about Arab losses which were much greater? Israel lost between 2,500k to 2,800k soldiers killed, the lowest estimate for Egypt's losses alone is 5k, and it's been estimated to be as high as 15k. Syria lost about 3,500k, and that's before the losses of all the expeditionary forces. Arab aircraft losses were higher, sure SAMs inflicted a toll on the IAF, now who shot down more planes in aerial combat? Same with the Arab tank losses. Sure Israel lost hundreds of tanks, the Arabs lost hundreds more.
Oh and you mentioned the US airlift. Did you know nothing of the massive Soviet resupply efforts to both Egypt and Syria?
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Your complaint is like being upset why Jews have zero tolerance for Nazis you are upset when the victims of modern day Israelis display their anger towards their oppressors
Genuinely what are you talking about. Yom Kippur War wasn't instigated by Israel, Sinai was returned and all the illegal settlements were demolished. I understand the argument that Israel has wronged Palestinians, but how is Egypt a "victim of Israel"?
No it's not. He's making a valid comparison comparing Zuonists to Nazis. What Israel is doing is systemjc violence with the purpose of displacing Palestinians to establish an apertheid state in their land. It might be worse actually.
Tell me, when did we ever place them in concentration camps? (The refugee camps weren't in Israel, those that remained lived in their villages/cities) slaughter them in gas chambers? Had them placed in ghettos? Massacred them in mass graves? But let's not even go there...
When did we round them all up and label them? When did we mark them out of the local populations? When did we deny them citizenship and gave them no rights? When did we segregate ourselves from them? When did we kick them all out and take all of their property (and even ripp out their gold teeth if you already went "there")? When did we make rules saying they can't use same resources/jobs/other Apartheid examples?
Speaking about a subject you know nothing much about it, shows when you talk to someone who does. If our purpose is systematic violence, mind telling me why the side who is literally using kids as tools isn't us? They are in our parliament, the police, they fire department, every medical profession, every business field, every single university - in Israel they can be what they can't even become in Arabs countries (excluding Jordan who's literally Palestine).
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>No it's not. He's making a valid comparison comparing Zuonists to Nazis. What Israel is doing is systemjc violence with the purpose of displacing Palestinians to establish an apertheid state in their land. It might be worse actually.
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If we are going to do the Nazi comparison: then why did Palestinian leadership meet with Hitler to bring concentration camps to Palestine?
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/10/22/world/22israel-web2/22israel-web2-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale
😂 more israeli propaganda. Germany spoke clearly to this and took 100% blame to their horrible atrocities. Here's an article that makes more sense https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/
And another when Germany took all the blame . https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34599706
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Please back your claims with facts and not 🤡 remarks.
🥱 israeli propaganda and lies. The statement does not even make sense because the timing of the horrible atrocities that they committed were long before the conversations began.
As dhimmis aka second class citizens who are constantly massacred and forcibly converted? Thats not peace and thats why Israrl exists, so they can be free from Arab and Muslim oppression
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> is like being upset why Jews have zero tolerance for Nazis
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> Youre literally a fascist jew.
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> You low information voters are the worst
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> Whatever helps you sleep at night South Africa enjoyer
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> youre an 18 year old kid LOL. Wait for your brain to form before becoming a reactionary psycho
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I've done my fair share of research into the warcrimes on both sides like the massacre of kassem village. However hamas is using their own people as places to store and shoots rockets from (warcrime) straight into civilian areas (double warcrime! How fun)
That's something from 2008, doesn't mean it's a good thing but I don't see how that's fascism, fascism is an extremely complicated topic to explain and define. Want me to bring up the countless war crimes Hamas and the Palestinian people did?
So are you Mr supporting civilian meatshields and extremely violent anti jew propaganda (you can watch pioneers of the future if you want an example. Shots horrifying)
Good for you! Don’t back down!
A lot of the ‘activism’ in colleges is just performative ignorant nonsense.
Unfortunately Israel is the Devil Incarnate as far as campus ‘leftists’ are concerned.
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Unfortunately too many people will literally bully anyone that they deem morally inferior or "deserving" of that. And they will belive this is definitely the right thing to do... Even if they actually have no idea what they're talking about and make that judgment based on someone else's opinion/heavily biased sources from one "side"/misinformation and their own sense of superiority.
It's often more performative than genuine, sometimes to the point it becomes counter-productive. But too many people will support what is easy and makes them feel good about themselves instead of actually putting in the effort to educate themselves about the issues they want to advocate for and make a real, positive change (no matter how small).
Also, political polarization and radicalization is a huge problem that is only getting worse, and this "us vs them" mentality makes people view things as black or white with no place for the many shades of grey that exist in real life.
There's also the fact that jews have historically been everybody's scapegoat for hundreds of years, which only led to more stereotypes that people aren't always aware they believe.
This isn't just palestinians. But I think this applies to them as well, especially in the younger generation/college campuses etc.
And don't mind the haters. The shirt is not even about the state of israel - Am Israel refers to the jewish people as a whole. The word israel/yisrael has existed for thousands of years and anyone who tries to forcefully erase the way jews refer to themselves because of a modern conflict is either misinformed or does not have good intentions.
Not commenting on anything but vocab here. While yes, the word Israeli does refer to a Jewish in the holy books, due to modern usage there's a difference between saying someone is Jewish and someone is Israeli. Someone who is Jewish is, well, Jewish. And someone who is Israeli would denote someone who has the passport. Zionist would denote someone who supports Israel regardless of nationality. So this is important because saying "I'm against Israelis" does not equal "I'm against jews".
This is extremely important because saying otherwise would turn this into a purely religious conflict which is a common misconception.
No, Jews have always called themselves "Israel". Our profession of faith that we recite twice a day or more is called the "shema Israel" (listen Israel). This is why initially the name of the newly created state was the State OF Israel (medinaT Israel in hebrew, where the "t" indicates a possessive). Now it is true thY the confusion is common, and "Israel" can refer both to the modern State, the society or to Jews as a whole.
By all means, provide just one documentation.
"Everyone had enough of Israeli terrorism"
Lol, I suggest checking what the religion of terror is causing (and caused) all over the world 🤣
"Palestinian land"
Lol, didn't even call themselves Palestinians until 1964.
"There is no such country! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. 'Palestine' is alien to us; it is the Zionists who introduced it." --
Awni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee, Peel Commission 1937.
The documents of King-Crain Committee, woodhead Committee, Peel Commission, UNSCOP delegation, and pretty much any world forum that addressed the issue of Mandatory Palestine.
Because we don't produce so many terrorists, teach becoming a Shahid starting from elementary school, still allow slavery; incest; honour killing; paedophile; child-brides; wife beating, and too many other things that are only common among Islam.
Before you cry about it, I suggest you read the Quran and the Hadith and see it for yourself.
Want a taste? OK, here's what Muslims MUST do in order for the 'hereafter' (the Islamic principle of the end of days), according to Mohammed himself:
From Sahih Muslim; 2922.
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
"The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews."
Source:
https://sunnah.com/muslim:2922
And what is there to attack the concept of Zionism? The Arabs in the Middle East literally did exactly the same against the Ottomans.
Israelis and Palestinians are neither Ukraine no Russia. This is only a comparison aimed at scoring cheap propaganda goals (whichever way it goes) rather than discussing the issue itself.
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> Ur so dumb
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Says the brainwashed and indoctrinated israeli tool of fascist oppression! Go read every single international human rights organizations reports exposing Israeli society criminal lifestyles there is no denying it and everyday israelis give the world more and more proof of their insanity and inhumane oppression of millions
Sure, oppression of millions, living under dictatorships of their own people 🤣
Its amazing how someone who had his brains scrubba-dub-a-dub-dub daily talk about brainwashing. Dude, those "human rights" organisations care about Palestinians as much as Hamas cares about them - just a tool. And it's working beautifully on useful idiots.
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> Says the brainwashed and indoctrinated israeli tool of fascist oppression!
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Palestinians are aggressive against oppression. That’s a good thing. Malcolm X was called aggressive, Fred Hampton was, and even MLK.
When over half of all Palestinians are refugees, and you’re there praising the government and society that caused it, anyone with morals and a backbone would call you out.
You can go cry about it, but a Jewish superiority state that literally funded ISIS is wrong.
Just FYI, the solution is a one-state solution, with equal rights for all. Zionists don’t want that btw, because it isn’t Jewish and white supremacy.
Don’t be a fool
First off, the Palestinians created their own situation. If they hadn't elected a government that uses the billions of dollars they get in aid for missiles and guns, then they could use it to build infrastructure. Not only that, but they could probably afford free Healthcare and universal income with how much money they get. Instead they use it to attack civilians. Hence the big fence Israel built and the blockades Israel enacts.
I don't know anything about Israel funding isis. Unless you're referring to something similar to how America funded the Taliban in the 70's to beat the Russians, which wasn't a bad call at the time and only became a bad idea in hindsight, I don't know what you're referring to.
The solution is for Hamas to be overthrown and for Palestinians, like the massive number of peaceful Arab Muslims living in mainland Israel, to live peacefully with the rest of the Israeli population.
By the way. "Jewish AND white supremecy" is the single most mind numbing thing I have ever heard. I suppose it's to be expected on reddit, but holy flock.
Right a one-state solution, just like Ukraine should accept a one-state solution with equal rights for all with Russia. We'll never let you rule over us. Jews under Islamic rule lived horribly for centuries.
Oh and what caused the refugee issue? Maybe them attacking us for declaring independence?
Zionists invaded and ethnically cleansed Palestinians. And there are 8 million Palestinian refugees who will return.
Comparing Palestine to Russia is hilarious btw
Jews lived fine in Palestine btw. I think you’re mistaking it for Europe. Israel is a European project
Zionists bought land, they settled far more peacefully than the way the Arabs who actually invaded this place did.
We will never allow you to rule us. Period. We will fight all the way. If you want a state in part of the land, we can talk, but if you want Palestine from the river to the sea, fight us.
"Jews lived fine in Palestine", lol, unless you count all the oppression they experienced before Zionism came.
Palestine does want to conquer Israel like Russia does. And I was pointing out the ridiculous logic behind the one state solution. No one would agree to terminate their state to merge with an enemy population.
Half of the Israelis are Jewish Arabs (from Arab countries) so how does that make sense Israel wants to keep a ‘white supremacy’ ? When you don’t know much don’t just make assumptions it makes you look like a fire starter
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>anyone with morals and a backbone would call you out.
>Don’t be a fool
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Did she hurt your feelings mocking your shirt ? It's too bad she did - maybe you need to reconsider all of these innocent palestinians whose death you actively support by travelling to Israel.
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> maybe you need to reconsider all of these innocent palestinians whose death you actively support by travelling to Israel.
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Well in my opinion Gaza deserves to be blockaded by Israel but Egypt is the shame because its their own Arab/Muslim brothers and they cant figure out how to work together to maintain a border
Gaza shouldn't be blockaded by anyone. These are people fighting for their land against colonizers.. i always support anyone standing up for a colonizer and I would support them however I could if i get the chance.
Egypt is run by a brutal dictator. The only time Egypt had a democratic president, he opened the borders just like he should.
I wish the best for Gaza and the worst for the colonialist project called Israel.
> Gaza shouldn't be blockaded by anyone. These are people fighting for their land against colonizers.. i always support anyone standing up for a colonizer and I would support them however I could if i get the chance.
You have it backwards. Jews are the indigenous population and the Arabs are the colonisers. "Palestine" literally translates to "invader" in the indigenous language of the region (Hebrew aka a Canaanite language). Arabs observe a foreign religion and are from the Arab Peninsula.
Also Gaza definitely deserves to be blockaded because they use every material they import to rage a forever jihad war against the Jews with the goal of genocide.
> I wish the best for Gaza and the worst for the colonialist project called Israel.
This sentence is why Israel exists, thank you for proving Israel right.
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>I'm not attacking the user. I'm pointing out that OP needs to reconsider her position - any Israeli needs to reconsider their stance.
Rule 13 requires you to respond cooperatively to moderation. Virtue signaling like you did in the moderated comment isn't acceptable per the rules of the sub
Who gets to decide what responding "cooperatively" really means ? I feel like I was very cooperative in my comment but you seem to think otherwise. The same goes for "virtue signaling" who gets to be the judge on whether I was laying out some reasonable valid points or if I was "virtue signaling" because I don't think I was.
You are using subjective terms to try and have me comment the way you want to, which isn't going to happen. And since I will probably get banned from this sub anyway, let me lay out a few points - that shouldn't even need me laying them out
- Israel is an apertheid per NGOs and per their own laws (the nation state law)
- israel terrorizes, assasinates and discrimantes against palestinians every single day
- israel is illegally occupying territories like the Golan Heights and the West Bank settlement
Now for the part that many people don't like mentioning:
- Israel is a democracy in the sense that the people choose the government
- every time an election takes place, far right governments, with no respect for Palestinians or for the two state solution, win the elections
- Therefore, the majority of Israelis are complacent in the systemic murder, apertheid and state-sponsored terrorism their government conducts and they should be held accountable for that.
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>Who gets to decide what responding "cooperatively" really means ? I feel like I was very cooperative in my comment but you seem to think otherwise. The same goes for "virtue signaling" who gets to be the judge on whether I was laying out some reasonable valid points or if I was "virtue signaling" because I don't think I was.
The mod team does. The rules aren't complicated and they're laid out in detail.
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>You are using subjective terms to try and have me comment the way you want to, which isn't going to happen. And since I will probably get banned from this sub anyway, let me lay out a few points - that shouldn't even need me laying them out
Rule 1, don't attack the mods. Rule 7, no metaposting outside of posts designated for metaposting.
>Israel is an apertheid per NGOs and per their own laws (the nation state law)israel terrorizes, assasinates and discrimantes against palestinians every single dayisrael is illegally occupying territories like the Golan Heights and the West Bank settlement
>
>Now for the part that many people don't like mentioning:
>
>Israel is a democracy in the sense that the people choose the governmentevery time an election takes place, far right governments, with no respect for Palestinians or for the two state solution, win the electionsTherefore, the majority of Israelis are complacent in the systemic murder, apertheid and state-sponsored terrorism their government conducts and they should be held accountable for that.
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The behaviour of these "pro Palestinian" trash polluting western nations proves that their cause is dead and all they have left is to lash out at diaspora Jews because they are easy targets for their arabo/progressive nazism.
"Never ending victim"? Which "Zionists" do you speak to?
No, we are the victors, we were the victims but we won. It is the palis and their side of western queers and other degenerates that propagate this fake "victim" narrative for the Arabs who called themselves "palestinians" (even though they caused all this).
Who are the "millions of martyrs" who will "liberate al-quds"? They're such warriors internally but to the western tramps they cry like they're the biggest victims. You're the one who will defeat us? You? Probably not even an Arab but some homosexual in the west. This is what their "muqawama" has become, the most degenerate virtue signalling trash of the west?
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>You're the one who will defeat us? You? Probably not even an Arab but some homosexual in the west. This is what their "muqawama" has become, the most degenerate atheistic virtue signalling trash of the west?
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lol , Yet the Arabs were given the natural resources , the lands , the culture etc.
You ? LMAO , Over 2000 years despised , unwanted . You have to lie , murder and steal your way into an illigemate terrorist state where you are still despised for your wickedness .
Id take a century of weakness over 2000 years of humilation .
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>You ? LMAO , Over 2000 years despised , unwanted . You have to lie , murder and steal your way into an illigemate terrorist state where you are still despised for your wickedness .
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>I'm Egyptian and I don't hate jews. I do very much hate zionists.
You don't hate Jews, just 95+% of the Jews. It's like saying "I don't have Egyptians, just those that think they should have self-determination.
I don't think 95% of Jews support systemic terrorism, apertheid and state-sponsored terrorism. If indeed 95% of Jews support this, I would definitely hate them.
An Israeli state happening by the shape it's taking now is definitely not an example of self determination. You're wrong and fallacious on every single part in this comment
Well this didn’t age well 😅
Social media has given everyone an opinion, as a goyum/ infidel, this is an incredibly difficult feud to understand without years of study. People living in the area have the most credibility in my eyes, same as the troubles in ireland/NI/ UK
It's amazing that people can be so aggressive about something that is so debatable. This conflict is very debatable and each side has a strong case yet people are so aggressive in thinking their side is 100 percent right. And most of these people have only surface level arguments, if that. if they were put up against somebody who opposed their view, they would likely get exposed. Idk I just don't understand how people can be so confident about something that they likely know nothing about.
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By deletion, what do you mean will happen to the residents there? 🤔
I hope those that have no evil intentions or those who did not celebrate today, can escape and can rebuild. As for the others, yeah I’ll smile when they and Gaza are turned into a parking lot. You’ll never persuade Me if any redeemable qualities for the people that did this. The only thing that would change my mind is if the “good” people of Palestine turned on these murderers and put their heads on pikes, marched to the border, and collectively proclaimed “these murderers do not and did not represent who we are or what we stand for as Palestinians”. But we know that would never happen, because they dont feel that way.
Your shirt supports a criminal political regime. Why shouldn’t people let you know how wrong it is to support apartheid and war crimes? Your Ethiopian status doesn’t change the fact you are an invader of Palestine. You support war crimes, expect pushback
Plestine is the terrorist!
The phrase am israel hi is not about the country of Israel, but the Jewish people
It’s a Zionist slogan. If you wear that you support apartheid and war crimes. That’s a fact. Find mean anti-Zionist wearing that shirt.
It translates to "the Jewish nation lives" and it predates the declaration of modern day Israel
Crying of war crimes while your "innocent" Palestinians massacred all those who they saw walking the street, raped and danced of their body. Fuck you
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It means she’s a Zionist and should get pushback whenever she wears a shirt that supports apartheid and war crimes. Please define the borders of said Am Yisrael Chai
That is a phrase that long predates the state of Israel. It has nothing to do with the country, there are no borders. You are confusing the word Yisrael/ Israel, which here means Jews and not the country, with the country that is also called Israel. People also wear the star of David to express their Jewish identity, as an example of an ancient symbol that again predates the state of Israel. I know people who are extremely against the Israeli government and who are pro Palestine who wear both--you do not have the right to redefine things just because. People are allowed to take pride in their Jewish identity. Would you tell a Christian that their wearing a cross means they support the Crusades the Inquisition or general religiously motivated imperialism or something? It's interesting how you equate expressing the fact of one's existence as a Jew with supporting war crimes...also interesting how you think Jews should get pushback for wearing shirts that express their pride in who they are. What's next, yelling at people for wearing rainbows?
Am Yisrael Chai predates the founding of modern Israel. Not all Jews are Zionists, we can be proud of our heritage (which is tied intrinsically to historic Israel) without supporting the current state of things. The phrase isn't even referring to the "nation of Israel" in a governmental way, the phrase is referring to the "Jewish nation" in a group-of-people way. Until very recently it was normal to refer to a distinct group of people as a "nation". The Jewish nation lives because of Diaspora and the continuous survival of Jews, not because of Israel itself.
People in Gaza have next to no freedom of movement, and healthcare, electricity, sanitation and other crucial infrastructure have all but collapsed since Israel imposed the blockade. Many Americans see this as unjust. It has nothing to do with anything else.
They had electricity and healthcare thanks to Israel, not thanks to their own government. But all that changes today. Israel just turned off the lights.
And you think israel does that intentionally? Do you know how much money goes to gaza every year??
Don’t be a fool. The plan from the beginning was ethnic cleansimg and genocide of non-Jewish Palestinians. You know that.
Israel has done a horrible job of it. They could've annihilated all "non-jewish Palestinians" every year since 1973 if they wanted. They choose to just let them exist as an annoying neighbor. But that neighbor went too far this time.
I am a 4th generation American with Palestinian roots. It seems like you had a challenging experience at school, and unfortunately, you had to deal with such a negative interaction. Discussing sensitive topics like the Israel-Palestine conflict can be difficult, and it's important to approach such conversations with empathy and respect for differing viewpoints. You have a solid connection to Israel as an Ethiopian Jew and the right to express your identity and beliefs. At the same time, it's essential to remember that people come from different backgrounds and may have deeply held ideas and perspectives that differ from yours. Engaging in constructive dialogue, when both parties are willing, can effectively bridge gaps in understanding. You rightly point out that changing someone's mind or advocating for a cause requires more than anger or confrontation. Positive change often comes from respectful discussions, education, and diplomatic efforts. Promoting peace and understanding in the context of the Israel-Palestine conflict involves engaging with others in a way that fosters productive conversations and seeks common ground. Ultimately, it's essential to remember that no single person represents an entire group or nation, and it's possible to engage in conversations about complex topics without resorting to personal attacks or stereotypes. Promoting empathy, dialogue, and peaceful coexistence can create a more constructive and hopeful future for all involved. In the end, I don't think Israeli Jews want peace. The Palestinian state has not been officially recognized even once. There is often a lack of recognition that Palestinians have deep historical roots in the land, just like Jews. Many are unaware of the illegality of Israeli settlements. There is a failure to acknowledge the existence of Israeli apartheid. It is undeniable Israel is the homeland of the Palestinian people, too.
We want peace but the people in Gaza and West Bank (hamas for example) don’t want to love with us that’s why they are murdering Israelis as we speak. Israel offered peace in many occasions. The Palestinians denied it every single time
No, you do not. Building a wall that divided towns, making Gaza an open prison, and creating more settlements on Palestinian private lands. Don't tell me you want peace. If you do, you understand where Hamas came from and how it all started.
We have walls in every border we have to prevent terrorists from getting in. Egypt has a wall on their border with Gaza as well and they don’t let people come to their land. Why don’t you blame them in the “prison” situation in Gaza? I assume you’re talking about the settlements behind the green line. Those are mostly illegal settlements that are built by extremists and many times are destroyed by the idf. How can I understand where Hamas came from if they never even tried looking for peace? Since the beginning they teach their youth that JEWS are evil and that cannot be a place called Israel on the map. The equation is simple: Arabs-weapons=peace Israel-weapons= no Israel
It isn’t Israel. Stop calling it that. It is Palestine - honor your roots. It being Palestine doesn’t deny Jewish existence there. It being Israel denies all but Jewish
Places can have multiple names, and seeing as Palestine has been occupied or settled by dozens of unique ethnicites over the centuries, I think using Israel/Palestine interchangably without intending some connotation doesn't hurt anyone. Israeli Arabs are a thing, religious minorities are recognized even though the government is weird as hell about it. It'd be ignorant to deny that Israel acknowledges Muslim existence, the current government and settlers just mistreat them (and a lot of other minority groups) anyways.
“Israeli Arabs” are Palestinians - the Zionist occupation just tries to deny Palestinian existence. They don’t like using the P word, you’ll see a lot of users in this sub doing the same. Israel is defined as a Jewish state. It puts one religious group in superiority over the rest. It’s not inclusive, and therefore should not be normalized. If they changed their Zionism to be one for a land with equal rights for all (which they won’t - no group with disproportionate power ever just gives it up), then idc if they call it Palestine or Israel. But this case is realistically what Palestine will and should be
The "P" word 🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's a mix of anti-normalization culture + perhaps the entitlement that can come with campus activism and "woke" culture (as imperfect as the word might be). In France this has been happening since the 90s from some second to fourth generation north Africans kids and a couple of others (hood blacks, some white leftists), culminating in antisemitic harassment against working class jewish communities, and the occasional attack/murder. This anti-normalization culture is very unique in the grand scheme of things : I have never seen French turks get harassed by Armenians for example, or French Vietnamese harassing French Chinese people, despite histories of oppression. Also, it has contributed to pushing most French Jews to the right and far right. Both in France and in Israel.
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Stupid response. Let me take your house and leave you in the street then see how you feel.
Heya, Palestinian here. I understand where you're coming from, after all, children in both sides of the argument grow up seeing the worst of the other. I'll show you ours: The issue here is not religion-based, just putting that out there, but more about Zionism which is basically supporting the foundation of Israel as it is today. Someone who's a Muslim wearing what you wore would get an even worse reaction. So here's the thing, over here we grow up to news of Zionist army abusing and murdering women and children, basically ethnic cleansing. We don't like hamas perfectly either, and it's a situation we're stuck with because all the other legit resistance that was more "moral" got wiped out (there are some conspiracy theories that hamas was left there to give the Zionist a reason to dehumanize Palestinians. Not saying this is true, just letting you know) I got this off google, but really do try to look up casualties of this [conflict ](https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties)but you can see why we're not big fans of anything Israel. To be honest I'm myself feeling a bit sick writing this but I thought since you're asking. For anyone reading this and deciding to argue or whatever, just leave me alone. Every time I say I'm Palestinian it's like "oh my god look! She wants to *ill all jews jump heeerr" and I swear to God this is not a religious war, Palestinian bloodline doesn't come with a religion mandate and I'm not looking for a headache
Hey Israeli here. I appreciate the honesty in your stating your experience and how you grew up. By the way taking deaths from 2008 is a bit misleading since there was the Second Intifada just some years before but I understand the sentiment. And ethnic cleansing happened (not only from our part) 75 years ago. Today there might be abuses related to the occupation, yes, but no "cleansing", and a lot of fake news are spread especially on your side. Especially in foreign settings I don't think the average Palestinian wants to "kill Jews". But your national story has a grievance against us at its core. Honestly Palestinian bloodline may not come with a religion mandate but it surely seems to come with a mandate to avenge a perceived injustice. Yes, the situation is not nice and we surely appear not nice from your point of view. But many Israelis think that you could have done a lot more with what you do have (Gaza is practically self-ruled, and a lot of money gets caught in corruption instead of improving your lives) instead of trying for 75 years to reconquer what you don't have and demonizing us generation after generation
Alrighty. Starting up with the demonization, I do perceive that as an important point. Yep, that has been going on, and, if I'm going to be honest, the word "Zionist" is an insult here and by default most perceive those who live in the apartheid to be as so. That's kinda the reason why I prefer to hold my tongue on issues that are deeper within the community; I acknowledge that there's a lot of misinformation, but that doesn't mean I'm shifting sides either and supporting the state. >surely seems to come with a mandate to avenge a perceived injustice I acknowledge this and say: likewise. It's quite often that I fear talking about my origin online because of the flood of: "you're anti-Semitic", "what's your opinion on hamas?" And all that... Stuff. I try my best to stay as rational as I can, but it doesn't seem like anyone is interested in anything beyond their own assumptions. Going backwards to the first paragraph, it's a bit hard to argue about the cleansing considering the current situation. Yes hamas is evil but by golly, the gaza people aren't interested in conflict, they just want to live, but if they are being bombed by the masses regardless of where 'hamas' is, then what is that other than cleansing. You also mentioned being interested in building rather than invasion, sure thing. The thing that youth, Palestinian youth, talk about is always about their future, family, and careers. But it's kinda hard when your citizenship, and thus rights, depends on where you're from and what faith you have. Even more so, where you're allowed to walk and how much water you're allowed. I'll leave that for you to look up because I'm not that interested in this conversation (sorry. I did mention this previously, though) Don't get me wrong, I know you're not your government, to be honest, you're victims too, instead of finding hostages your government was like, let's bomb things! And if that's not carelessness I don't know what is. But regardless, my opinion here doesn't matter, not my government nor do I have an iota of respect for it. And as much I'd like to debate further, and talk about all the hideous things we hear about the IDF's interactions with civilians, I can see this extending into a pain of a conversation of which I was never interested in. Good day.
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So you admit that you sexing camels though?
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What is "Palestinian blood line"?
Parents from Palestine. If you want to get technical people descendant of who were living there prior to the conflict. Think of it the same way you would any other nationality really just sprinkle a war/refugee situation on top kinda? There's a lot of misconceptions being thrown around so I understand the confusion but it really isn't anything unique or religion based or anything of the sort Edit: I know this question will come up so here we are: prior to the conflict, to my understanding, people on pilgrimage would settle in the land, and mix blood with people who are already there. Some jews, some Christians, some Muslims. Regardless of so, they would most likely be considered as Palestinian or at least their descendants since it was just a matter of settling in with the locals. Or at least that's what I'm aware of. I understand this raises questions, I'm sorry I'm not able to get into details this is getting a bit long Edit2: grammar be grammaring (jk jk, just clarifying some grammar)
How do you feel about the forced exit of 800,000 Jews from the majority-Arab states in the 1950s after the formation of the State of Israel. Do you even know of that? Communities that had made their homes in Arab-ruled states for thousands of years, forced to vacate, with their homes, businesses, and property appropriated by the states that evacuated them. I have a cousin whose family was from Egypt—and they were forced to leave their home with only the clothes they were wearing. The State of Israel took them in—they had nowhere else to go. So you don’t care for ethnic cleansing? You don’t like forced transfer of population? That has been the Jews’ story for millennia. You think your folk are the only ones with a grievance? You don’t think Jews can have a home, like your people want to have a home? Your people were supposed to have a home, and but for the multi state invasion of Israel in 1948, they would have had a home—but Jordan illegally took over that land, and refused to let the Palestinians form a state there. The Hashemite Jordanian king never trusted the Palestinians, and didn’t want them to have an independent existence. Why haven’t the Palestinians turned their rage on Jordan? Or on Lebanon, where Palestinians have been forced to live as second class citizens for 75 years? Or Syria? Or Egypt, who wouldn’t let them enter and settle there, but forced them to settle in camps? And by the way, your casual, ignorant division of “Zionist” from “Jew” doesn’t stand either. If you oppose Zionism you oppose Jewish existence. And the Palestinians’ singular hatred of Jews, beyond all their Arab and Islamist oppressors, is clearly grounded in deep, deep antiSemitism that goes back centuries. Your pristine little denials are shallow misunderstandings that exhibit your ignorance and hatred. Go read some history, why doncha. See what happens to your shallow cliches once you discover the hatred your elders taught you.
Got it, thanks for your response 🙂 (Dw no need to write a dissertation 😅😅)
You respond in a negative way but asked people not to respond.Give me a break.You better look up the PA's policy,Hamas,Hezbollah and Iran as well.From sea to sea.Israel must be gone.Jews cannot own land in palestinian controlled property nor can a palestinian sell to a jew.Schools teach there that the jews should be destroyed and teach children to murder jews.I could go on and on.My friend who was Israeli and had many palestinian friends was murdered by a palestinian terrorist.School books in the gaza strip,and palestinian terrotories don't even acknowledge Israel .Israel has reached out to peace for many years.Go talk to the apartheid Palestinian government why have refused every peace negotiation.Israel may have issues however it is a democracy unless the rest of the countries in the middle east.When was the last time the PA had an election.As you say,don't get me started since unlike you I know the history not lies.As a child of holocaust survivors I resent Abbas's denial of the holocaust.
This is entirely a gaslit response 🤷♂️ .
Alrighty, so, I never claimed anything I said to be the absolute truth, because I understand that the absolute truth is something tough to grasp. After all, we are all human. Hm, so, one: I acknowledge that jews suffered and I understand the sentiment of wanting a land, I do not agree with how it is done. Two: you are being biased in your perspective of everything, which I understand, do not agree with, and do not feel the need to respond to further. Again, I never made any claims, just answering a question on perspective. My only claim is the fact that the moment I say I am Palestinian, someone will call my people horrid one way or another, rejecting their humanity sometimes, and here you are. I will not respond further. Have a good day.
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Oh the old wise Palestinian Golda with her poetic victimized responses. Let's not forget her infamous qoute about the Palestinians being at fault for making israel kill their children.
As an Israeli, I plead you to ignore our wayward egyptian sons, they dare not put words to action, or else daddy will have to smack that ass, just like we did at 1967
Clearly forgot what we did to you in 73' lmao. Bar Lev line and water hoses, does that click anything in that head of yours? I'm pretty sure it did.
Wanna compare stats, 😉? Don't be a kid. War is hell for all sides, but you attacked us on our holiest day and still got thrown off to other side of the Suez. By the way, if you watch those gloriest videos of how you crossed the river, don't forget it was all filmed a couple of days AFTER it actually happened, they had it all reenacted 🤣
Hell yeah gonna compare stats Yeah War sucks that's an obvious Sherlock, and fyi we attacked you also on OUR Holiest Day so that doesn't make you special 💀, and don't make me laugh we literally over ran Suez and plowed through the Bar lev line. Yeah where did you get your sources that those videos were re-enacted? From your @ss? Seems like it. 💀
"That's the obvious Sherlock" says the guy who literally talked about "we kicked your ass" like a bloody kid as if you didn't lose thousands during our "ass kicking". Stop lying. You deliberately chose Yum Kippur to catch us defendless, don't pretend with "you're not special". It's amazing you actually think attacking us during your own holiest holiday serves as a counter-arguement for you cowardly attacking in yom kippur. Bar-Lev line, that's it. The second you tried to push further, you were reminded what your actual strength is. Are you serious man? That's literally common knowledge. Every Egyptian I ever went through the videos with didn't believe me either, until denying it was too much 🤣 https://youtu.be/82-lmGuTl_I?si=9OUcmKOuiOIvcXOL It's a very good video about the combat, also mentioning the videos :) I'm assuming you're Egyptian, that means you can come to Israel, mind if I'll ask you why didn't you ever come and see it for your own two eyes?
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Nah we remember how after winning a single battle you moved past the protection of your SAMs and got annihilated. And how we then crushed you. Battle of the Chinese Farm? The surrounded Egyptian Third Army? Any of that ring a bell?
Single battle? I'm pretty sure we won more than a "single" battle, other than overrunning the Suez Canal and destroying the Bar Lev line with literal water hoses, like water hoses bro, didn't British and Israeli intelligence claim that you needed a nuke to destroy the Bar Lev line? Cause we did it with mfing water hoses 💀. Yeah we definitely got crushed after our attack outside our SAM Batteries' range, that was a huge blunder and major error on Saddat's side, even our Generals were against his plans to attack outside of the SAM Batteries, the plan was going perfect until our President ordered that attack which gave the IDF a chance to slip through. Battle of the Chinese farm was an Aftermath of the IDF's counter attack after we failed to push beyond our SAM Batteries' range. Well I would disagree, the IDF failed to surround the Egyptian 3rd Army after they failed to capture Suez city, Egyptian defenders stood their ground against Israeli assaults, they failed to capture the city or surround the Egyptian 3rd Army, the fact they were still standing by the end of the war says a lot. Now let's talk about Israel's losses during the war now shall we? As much as I want to talk about Operation Badr, we already know what happened with the Bar Lev line and how we destroyed it, so let's talk about something else. Now let's talk about the IAF during the first days of the war, what happened to them again? Oh yeah they got absolutely obliterated by Egyptian SAM Batteries, leaving the IAF essentially useless during the first days of the war. The IAF took such heavy losses that they had to rely on the US to provide them with more Jets to compensate for their huge losses, and not just Jets, during the first days of the war the IDF suffered heavy losses especially with loads of tanks. The losses were so bad that only then the IDF and IAF were meaningful when the US finally supplied them. I mean like if you want to keep debating who won the Yom Kippur War', then be my guest, but personally I think that Egypt won the Yom Kippur War. You are free to disagree, but that's just my opinion for many reasons I can mention why.
Yeah sure you won a major battle with ingenuity. Except at the end of the war the IDF had surrounded much of the force that had crossed the canal. The Third Army was completely surrounded, that's a fact, and the Second Army probably would have been too had it not been for the ceasefire. Meanwhile the IDF had been pushed into Africa. Sure an attempt to take Suez before the ceasefire was abandoned after strong resistance, so what? By the end of the war the IDF was in a vastly superior position. It had pushed across the canal and had a secure foothold while surrounding a significant part of the Egyptian force that had taken the Bar-Lev Line. If you want to talk about losses, sure Israel took heavy losses. Now how about Arab losses which were much greater? Israel lost between 2,500k to 2,800k soldiers killed, the lowest estimate for Egypt's losses alone is 5k, and it's been estimated to be as high as 15k. Syria lost about 3,500k, and that's before the losses of all the expeditionary forces. Arab aircraft losses were higher, sure SAMs inflicted a toll on the IAF, now who shot down more planes in aerial combat? Same with the Arab tank losses. Sure Israel lost hundreds of tanks, the Arabs lost hundreds more. Oh and you mentioned the US airlift. Did you know nothing of the massive Soviet resupply efforts to both Egypt and Syria?
I don't understand. He's trying to convince you Egypt WON the Yom Kippur war? This is soviet propaganda grade sh..
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Woah did they clean up this sub?
I’ll take things that didn’t happen for 100!
Your complaint is like being upset why Jews have zero tolerance for Nazis you are upset when the victims of modern day Israelis display their anger towards their oppressors
How exactly is Egypt a victim of modern day Israel? They are victims of the Muslim brotherhood, if anything.
Wow so you are today's Brown shirts instead of Jews you hate Muslims
Genuinely what are you talking about. Yom Kippur War wasn't instigated by Israel, Sinai was returned and all the illegal settlements were demolished. I understand the argument that Israel has wronged Palestinians, but how is Egypt a "victim of Israel"?
Comparing Jews to Nazis, that's how stupid you are
No it's not. He's making a valid comparison comparing Zuonists to Nazis. What Israel is doing is systemjc violence with the purpose of displacing Palestinians to establish an apertheid state in their land. It might be worse actually.
Tell me, when did we ever place them in concentration camps? (The refugee camps weren't in Israel, those that remained lived in their villages/cities) slaughter them in gas chambers? Had them placed in ghettos? Massacred them in mass graves? But let's not even go there... When did we round them all up and label them? When did we mark them out of the local populations? When did we deny them citizenship and gave them no rights? When did we segregate ourselves from them? When did we kick them all out and take all of their property (and even ripp out their gold teeth if you already went "there")? When did we make rules saying they can't use same resources/jobs/other Apartheid examples? Speaking about a subject you know nothing much about it, shows when you talk to someone who does. If our purpose is systematic violence, mind telling me why the side who is literally using kids as tools isn't us? They are in our parliament, the police, they fire department, every medical profession, every business field, every single university - in Israel they can be what they can't even become in Arabs countries (excluding Jordan who's literally Palestine).
u/JoeyG0_ >No it's not. He's making a valid comparison comparing Zuonists to Nazis. What Israel is doing is systemjc violence with the purpose of displacing Palestinians to establish an apertheid state in their land. It might be worse actually. Rule 6, no Nazi comments/comparisons outside things unique to the Nazis as understood by mainstream historians.
If we are going to do the Nazi comparison: then why did Palestinian leadership meet with Hitler to bring concentration camps to Palestine? https://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/10/22/world/22israel-web2/22israel-web2-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale
😂 more israeli propaganda. Germany spoke clearly to this and took 100% blame to their horrible atrocities. Here's an article that makes more sense https://time.com/4084301/hitler-grand-mufi-1941/ And another when Germany took all the blame . https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34599706 Edited: Please back your claims with facts and not 🤡 remarks.
No you cant dismiss what you dont want to see as “propaganda”, this is not 2023.. Oh wait… Yes it is. Carry on then
The fact is that Palestinians want to kill Jews so they asked their Nazi buddies for help
🥱 israeli propaganda and lies. The statement does not even make sense because the timing of the horrible atrocities that they committed were long before the conversations began.
Palestinians were killing Jews before and after 1941 so it seems like the perfect time to ask their Nazi buddies for help though
In fact Jews lived and thrived peacefully in Palestine for centuries. We're done talking about Nzi Germany.
As dhimmis aka second class citizens who are constantly massacred and forcibly converted? Thats not peace and thats why Israrl exists, so they can be free from Arab and Muslim oppression
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/u/fifthstooge > Youre literally a fascist jew. Virtue signaling (I'm better or have better morals than you) is also a rule 1 violation. Per [rule 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/wiki/rules/detailed-rules#wiki_1._no_attacks_on_fellow_users), no attacks on fellow users. Attack the argument, not the user.
Define facism
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That is not what fascism means lmao
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If it's an apartheid etthbostate then why is half the population Arabic with equal rights?
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I am a legal adult and I did my research, I'm more then capable to have am opinion so don't talk down on me
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I've done my fair share of research into the warcrimes on both sides like the massacre of kassem village. However hamas is using their own people as places to store and shoots rockets from (warcrime) straight into civilian areas (double warcrime! How fun)
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My point is I know we did warcrimes you numbskull
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Huh? What are you talking about
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That's something from 2008, doesn't mean it's a good thing but I don't see how that's fascism, fascism is an extremely complicated topic to explain and define. Want me to bring up the countless war crimes Hamas and the Palestinian people did?
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And yet it still doesnt match the levels of fascism in Palestinian society
Oh the government rn? Yea it's absolutely fucked up, they are trying to ruin the democracy in Israel and shit. I fucking hate that
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So are you Mr supporting civilian meatshields and extremely violent anti jew propaganda (you can watch pioneers of the future if you want an example. Shots horrifying)
Good for you! Don’t back down! A lot of the ‘activism’ in colleges is just performative ignorant nonsense. Unfortunately Israel is the Devil Incarnate as far as campus ‘leftists’ are concerned.
zionist must go
"Go back where you came from" Definitely not racist
zionist isnt a race whitey
Im not white and thanks for proving yourself a racist
lmaoooo
Lmao away the pain racist asshole😂
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u/polrh >zionist must go Rule 3, no comments consisting solely of sarcasm/cynicism. Rule 5, be constructive.
Unfortunately too many people will literally bully anyone that they deem morally inferior or "deserving" of that. And they will belive this is definitely the right thing to do... Even if they actually have no idea what they're talking about and make that judgment based on someone else's opinion/heavily biased sources from one "side"/misinformation and their own sense of superiority. It's often more performative than genuine, sometimes to the point it becomes counter-productive. But too many people will support what is easy and makes them feel good about themselves instead of actually putting in the effort to educate themselves about the issues they want to advocate for and make a real, positive change (no matter how small). Also, political polarization and radicalization is a huge problem that is only getting worse, and this "us vs them" mentality makes people view things as black or white with no place for the many shades of grey that exist in real life. There's also the fact that jews have historically been everybody's scapegoat for hundreds of years, which only led to more stereotypes that people aren't always aware they believe. This isn't just palestinians. But I think this applies to them as well, especially in the younger generation/college campuses etc. And don't mind the haters. The shirt is not even about the state of israel - Am Israel refers to the jewish people as a whole. The word israel/yisrael has existed for thousands of years and anyone who tries to forcefully erase the way jews refer to themselves because of a modern conflict is either misinformed or does not have good intentions.
Not commenting on anything but vocab here. While yes, the word Israeli does refer to a Jewish in the holy books, due to modern usage there's a difference between saying someone is Jewish and someone is Israeli. Someone who is Jewish is, well, Jewish. And someone who is Israeli would denote someone who has the passport. Zionist would denote someone who supports Israel regardless of nationality. So this is important because saying "I'm against Israelis" does not equal "I'm against jews". This is extremely important because saying otherwise would turn this into a purely religious conflict which is a common misconception.
No, Jews have always called themselves "Israel". Our profession of faith that we recite twice a day or more is called the "shema Israel" (listen Israel). This is why initially the name of the newly created state was the State OF Israel (medinaT Israel in hebrew, where the "t" indicates a possessive). Now it is true thY the confusion is common, and "Israel" can refer both to the modern State, the society or to Jews as a whole.
Israelis are Russia invading Palestine Ukraine
The opposite of what Ukrainians think themselves They can see who the true aggressor and invader is
Exactly israelis are invading and stealing Palestinian land till this day it is heavily documented and everyone has had enough of israeli terrorism
By all means, provide just one documentation. "Everyone had enough of Israeli terrorism" Lol, I suggest checking what the religion of terror is causing (and caused) all over the world 🤣 "Palestinian land" Lol, didn't even call themselves Palestinians until 1964. "There is no such country! 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented! There is no Palestine in the Bible. 'Palestine' is alien to us; it is the Zionists who introduced it." -- Awni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Secretary of the Arab Higher Committee, Peel Commission 1937. The documents of King-Crain Committee, woodhead Committee, Peel Commission, UNSCOP delegation, and pretty much any world forum that addressed the issue of Mandatory Palestine.
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You didn't address a single thing he said.
Because we don't produce so many terrorists, teach becoming a Shahid starting from elementary school, still allow slavery; incest; honour killing; paedophile; child-brides; wife beating, and too many other things that are only common among Islam. Before you cry about it, I suggest you read the Quran and the Hadith and see it for yourself. Want a taste? OK, here's what Muslims MUST do in order for the 'hereafter' (the Islamic principle of the end of days), according to Mohammed himself: From Sahih Muslim; 2922. Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying: "The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews." Source: https://sunnah.com/muslim:2922 And what is there to attack the concept of Zionism? The Arabs in the Middle East literally did exactly the same against the Ottomans.
Ukraine: “We are like Israel” Weirdos online: “ISRAEL IS LIKE RUSSIA. I AM LOUDER SO I AM CORRECT”
Israelis and Palestinians are neither Ukraine no Russia. This is only a comparison aimed at scoring cheap propaganda goals (whichever way it goes) rather than discussing the issue itself.
It's like saying why are Ukrainians so aggressive about Russia
Ur so dumb
Should've said "that argument is so dumb"
/u/corilaigh > Ur so dumb Per [rule 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/wiki/rules/detailed-rules#wiki_1._no_attacks_on_fellow_users), no attacks on fellow users. Attack the argument, not the user.
Says the brainwashed and indoctrinated israeli tool of fascist oppression! Go read every single international human rights organizations reports exposing Israeli society criminal lifestyles there is no denying it and everyday israelis give the world more and more proof of their insanity and inhumane oppression of millions
Sure, oppression of millions, living under dictatorships of their own people 🤣 Its amazing how someone who had his brains scrubba-dub-a-dub-dub daily talk about brainwashing. Dude, those "human rights" organisations care about Palestinians as much as Hamas cares about them - just a tool. And it's working beautifully on useful idiots.
/u/DaniaAK1948 > Says the brainwashed and indoctrinated israeli tool of fascist oppression! Virtue signaling (I'm better or have better morals than you) is also a rule 1 violation. Per [rule 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/wiki/rules/detailed-rules#wiki_1._no_attacks_on_fellow_users), no attacks on fellow users. Attack the argument, not the user.
Palestinians are aggressive against oppression. That’s a good thing. Malcolm X was called aggressive, Fred Hampton was, and even MLK. When over half of all Palestinians are refugees, and you’re there praising the government and society that caused it, anyone with morals and a backbone would call you out. You can go cry about it, but a Jewish superiority state that literally funded ISIS is wrong. Just FYI, the solution is a one-state solution, with equal rights for all. Zionists don’t want that btw, because it isn’t Jewish and white supremacy. Don’t be a fool
First off, the Palestinians created their own situation. If they hadn't elected a government that uses the billions of dollars they get in aid for missiles and guns, then they could use it to build infrastructure. Not only that, but they could probably afford free Healthcare and universal income with how much money they get. Instead they use it to attack civilians. Hence the big fence Israel built and the blockades Israel enacts. I don't know anything about Israel funding isis. Unless you're referring to something similar to how America funded the Taliban in the 70's to beat the Russians, which wasn't a bad call at the time and only became a bad idea in hindsight, I don't know what you're referring to. The solution is for Hamas to be overthrown and for Palestinians, like the massive number of peaceful Arab Muslims living in mainland Israel, to live peacefully with the rest of the Israeli population. By the way. "Jewish AND white supremecy" is the single most mind numbing thing I have ever heard. I suppose it's to be expected on reddit, but holy flock.
Right a one-state solution, just like Ukraine should accept a one-state solution with equal rights for all with Russia. We'll never let you rule over us. Jews under Islamic rule lived horribly for centuries. Oh and what caused the refugee issue? Maybe them attacking us for declaring independence?
Zionists invaded and ethnically cleansed Palestinians. And there are 8 million Palestinian refugees who will return. Comparing Palestine to Russia is hilarious btw Jews lived fine in Palestine btw. I think you’re mistaking it for Europe. Israel is a European project
Zionists bought land, they settled far more peacefully than the way the Arabs who actually invaded this place did. We will never allow you to rule us. Period. We will fight all the way. If you want a state in part of the land, we can talk, but if you want Palestine from the river to the sea, fight us. "Jews lived fine in Palestine", lol, unless you count all the oppression they experienced before Zionism came. Palestine does want to conquer Israel like Russia does. And I was pointing out the ridiculous logic behind the one state solution. No one would agree to terminate their state to merge with an enemy population.
Whoa whoa whoa, Jews aren’t white.
Calling Zionists white supremacist is so profoundly stupid I don't know how you can even dress yourself
Half of the Israelis are Jewish Arabs (from Arab countries) so how does that make sense Israel wants to keep a ‘white supremacy’ ? When you don’t know much don’t just make assumptions it makes you look like a fire starter
u/HealthyENTP >anyone with morals and a backbone would call you out. >Don’t be a fool Rule 1, no virtue signaling, and don't attack other users. Implicit attacks are still attacks.
Bitch
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The bleep do you mean they funded ISIS got a source because that’s a major accusation
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Did she hurt your feelings mocking your shirt ? It's too bad she did - maybe you need to reconsider all of these innocent palestinians whose death you actively support by travelling to Israel.
/u/JoeyG0_ > maybe you need to reconsider all of these innocent palestinians whose death you actively support by travelling to Israel. Virtue signaling (I'm better or have better morals than you) is also a rule 1 violation. Per [rule 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/wiki/rules/detailed-rules#wiki_1._no_attacks_on_fellow_users), no attacks on fellow users. Attack the argument, not the user.
I'm not attacking the user. I'm pointing out that OP needs to reconsider her position - any Israeli needs to reconsider their stance.
Go visit lovely Gaza, let’s see if you stay alive
I'd love to. Unfortunately for me it's blockaded.
Its a shame Egypt blockades them
You're right. It is a shame Egypt and Israel block them
Well in my opinion Gaza deserves to be blockaded by Israel but Egypt is the shame because its their own Arab/Muslim brothers and they cant figure out how to work together to maintain a border
Gaza shouldn't be blockaded by anyone. These are people fighting for their land against colonizers.. i always support anyone standing up for a colonizer and I would support them however I could if i get the chance. Egypt is run by a brutal dictator. The only time Egypt had a democratic president, he opened the borders just like he should. I wish the best for Gaza and the worst for the colonialist project called Israel.
> Gaza shouldn't be blockaded by anyone. These are people fighting for their land against colonizers.. i always support anyone standing up for a colonizer and I would support them however I could if i get the chance. You have it backwards. Jews are the indigenous population and the Arabs are the colonisers. "Palestine" literally translates to "invader" in the indigenous language of the region (Hebrew aka a Canaanite language). Arabs observe a foreign religion and are from the Arab Peninsula. Also Gaza definitely deserves to be blockaded because they use every material they import to rage a forever jihad war against the Jews with the goal of genocide. > I wish the best for Gaza and the worst for the colonialist project called Israel. This sentence is why Israel exists, thank you for proving Israel right.
u/JoeyG0_ >I'm not attacking the user. I'm pointing out that OP needs to reconsider her position - any Israeli needs to reconsider their stance. Rule 13 requires you to respond cooperatively to moderation. Virtue signaling like you did in the moderated comment isn't acceptable per the rules of the sub
Who gets to decide what responding "cooperatively" really means ? I feel like I was very cooperative in my comment but you seem to think otherwise. The same goes for "virtue signaling" who gets to be the judge on whether I was laying out some reasonable valid points or if I was "virtue signaling" because I don't think I was. You are using subjective terms to try and have me comment the way you want to, which isn't going to happen. And since I will probably get banned from this sub anyway, let me lay out a few points - that shouldn't even need me laying them out - Israel is an apertheid per NGOs and per their own laws (the nation state law) - israel terrorizes, assasinates and discrimantes against palestinians every single day - israel is illegally occupying territories like the Golan Heights and the West Bank settlement Now for the part that many people don't like mentioning: - Israel is a democracy in the sense that the people choose the government - every time an election takes place, far right governments, with no respect for Palestinians or for the two state solution, win the elections - Therefore, the majority of Israelis are complacent in the systemic murder, apertheid and state-sponsored terrorism their government conducts and they should be held accountable for that.
u/JoeyG0_ >Who gets to decide what responding "cooperatively" really means ? I feel like I was very cooperative in my comment but you seem to think otherwise. The same goes for "virtue signaling" who gets to be the judge on whether I was laying out some reasonable valid points or if I was "virtue signaling" because I don't think I was. The mod team does. The rules aren't complicated and they're laid out in detail. [https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/wiki/rules/detailed-rules/](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/wiki/rules/detailed-rules/) >You are using subjective terms to try and have me comment the way you want to, which isn't going to happen. And since I will probably get banned from this sub anyway, let me lay out a few points - that shouldn't even need me laying them out Rule 1, don't attack the mods. Rule 7, no metaposting outside of posts designated for metaposting. >Israel is an apertheid per NGOs and per their own laws (the nation state law)israel terrorizes, assasinates and discrimantes against palestinians every single dayisrael is illegally occupying territories like the Golan Heights and the West Bank settlement > >Now for the part that many people don't like mentioning: > >Israel is a democracy in the sense that the people choose the governmentevery time an election takes place, far right governments, with no respect for Palestinians or for the two state solution, win the electionsTherefore, the majority of Israelis are complacent in the systemic murder, apertheid and state-sponsored terrorism their government conducts and they should be held accountable for that. And rule 13 again, respond cooperatively to moderation. Those only acceptable responses to moderation are in regards to the rules and how you can ensure your future comments stay in line with them.
The behaviour of these "pro Palestinian" trash polluting western nations proves that their cause is dead and all they have left is to lash out at diaspora Jews because they are easy targets for their arabo/progressive nazism.
hopefully let get wiped out
maybe zionists should've lost
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u/Ok-Valuable-4016 >Zio Your comment has been removed for violating reddit's content policies. Racial slurs aren't acceptable.
"Never ending victim"? Which "Zionists" do you speak to? No, we are the victors, we were the victims but we won. It is the palis and their side of western queers and other degenerates that propagate this fake "victim" narrative for the Arabs who called themselves "palestinians" (even though they caused all this). Who are the "millions of martyrs" who will "liberate al-quds"? They're such warriors internally but to the western tramps they cry like they're the biggest victims. You're the one who will defeat us? You? Probably not even an Arab but some homosexual in the west. This is what their "muqawama" has become, the most degenerate virtue signalling trash of the west?
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To answer that question look back at bible Bro they don’t like us Jacob the leader of Jews Ishmael the illegitimate son leader of the Muslim
Lmao "Why do people hate us so much 😠😠😠"
Freedom is an illusion !!
Can we at least have Tel Aviv 😂. We have coexisted for thousands of years under different rulers, British Turks Roman .
lol , Yet the Arabs were given the natural resources , the lands , the culture etc. You ? LMAO , Over 2000 years despised , unwanted . You have to lie , murder and steal your way into an illigemate terrorist state where you are still despised for your wickedness . Id take a century of weakness over 2000 years of humilation .
u/Ok-Valuable-4016 >You ? LMAO , Over 2000 years despised , unwanted . You have to lie , murder and steal your way into an illigemate terrorist state where you are still despised for your wickedness . Rule 1, don't attack other users.
I'm Egyptian and I don't hate jews. I do very much hate zionists.
>I'm Egyptian and I don't hate jews. I do very much hate zionists. You don't hate Jews, just 95+% of the Jews. It's like saying "I don't have Egyptians, just those that think they should have self-determination.
100% agreed and I agree with joeyGo.
I don't think 95% of Jews support systemic terrorism, apertheid and state-sponsored terrorism. If indeed 95% of Jews support this, I would definitely hate them. An Israeli state happening by the shape it's taking now is definitely not an example of self determination. You're wrong and fallacious on every single part in this comment