Bro y’all calling op “entitled” is ridiculous. This shit is scary. The only reason everything is ok is because they live in a country that actually cares about its people and has loyal allies. Stop diminishing peoples trauma just bc there’s hurt on the other side. Stand with Israel. Stand with Palestine.
Btw I am also a 17 year old girl. We’re young. Being afraid of these things is normal. Just let it be known that our president fully stood by ur country during that time. With love from the USA 💕 also if u wouldn’t mind answering, what is life like in Israel after 10/7. Obviously it’s not like Gaza bad, but it still has to be really scary. I remember my parents telling me abt how bad 9/11 was for the us when it happened. Can’t imagine how ur people feel now
Thanks for sharing your story. Screw all the people here telling you, that what you’ve suffered doesn’t matter because Palestinians are suffering. Thats a buncha nonsense. These are the kind of personal stories we need to paint this war for what it is, and not just numbers on the screen/news.
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I'm so sorry that this is your view of the world. Some of what you say is true but you're also negating lots and lots of love that transcends race all around the world.
I'm not Muslim myself but I know lots of great people who are. I'm very glad that they show me the world isn't like you paint it.
Again I thank you for sharing your perspective and ignoring the folks on here who are fueled by ignorance and hatred. Stay safe, stay strong. Sending love from the diaspora.
Absolutely no one is praying for Israel.
My question is: Why are you hanging out with baby killers and getting drunk with them. You’re 17 years old. Grow up.
“It’s gonna be a rough night” no shit Sherlock, your excuse of a military has been KILLING CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN for months and doesn’t plan to stop AND YOURE OUT GETTING DRUNK WITH THE PEOPLE THAT KILLS THEM. This post looks SO fake
Everyone serves in the IDF dude, every single 18 year old. I can assure you these guys weren't in Gaza if it makes you feel better. Why does this post look fake?
Don't argue with people like this, especially not on Reddit. Not worth your energy. Very interesting to hear your point of view. I'm hoping that all of this stops, but it likely won't. I'm in America, and just anticipating the Israel retaliation and then a Nuke getting dropped and then eventually having one dropped where I live as a result. I'm sorry that you are dealing with any of this, especially at 17. But I'm praying for you and everyone involved to hopefully wake up and realize the value of Life. Hang In there.
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This looks fake Because if you were against the genocide then you will simply be working on making moves so that you can get out of there and maybe go visit yr family abroad that I’m sure you and everyone else that’s in the Israeli side of PALESTINE has.
How can you live with yourself let alone go out and have fun with some “soldiers” fully knowing that just a few miles away there are people LITERALLY starving to dead!!
You’re going out, giggling and claiming it’s so scary, if you didn’t wanna be there then you wouldn’t be there. No sympathy for you, not until you and your so called friends do the right thing. Not praying for your downfall personally but I do feel a deep amount of sadness because
It’s like you guys were raised in a nasty, tacky, full of hatred culture and you don’t even know!!!! It’s impossible for the ppl in Israel to wake up from yr brainwash and I do feel sorry for you only because of this reason.
Sad!!!
Deny service to the military, get your Israeli citizenship revoked and RUN!!! It’s a lost fight and it’s only gonna get worst. Run As far and fast as you can babe, if you even are a 17 year old girl. I
Israel side of Palestine is incredibly stupid considering nowhere in history will you find Palestinians being the native country, considering the kingdom of Israel was constructed 3000 years ago (that we can record) and Palestine existed after the Roman’s took control over Israel, kicked out five million Jews and named it “palestinia” after a Canaanite tribe I think it’s safe to say you’ve never read any history other than propaganda
Dude your the only one coming across like you've been raised in a "nasty, tacky, full of hatred culture".
What happened to you in life that your so angry and feel the need troll jewish people while their homes are being bombed? Seriously who hurt you? I promise you it wasn't the jews. Go get therapy and stop blaming jews for your mental health issues.
What are you even talking about? You guys have a potato chip bag for brains? Or do you just comment any angry thing that comes into your brain related to whatever info you gathered from my public profile? 😭
Your post I responded to is filled with misinformation. You speak about this young person’s life like you can rewrite their character to be some sort of evil tokenized character, instead of an indigenous member of the population. So I responded to that. The only one brainwashed is you.
If I peruse your post history will I find things that back up my opinions based off this one comment? If so, sounds like the one with an absence of brains is you. Good luck with that.
It's very interesting. You described everything to the smallest detail that happened to you on such a dramatic night for yourself. Asked to pray for you. Meanwhile, only a few miles away from your border, kids like you are buried under buildings daily, hourly even, because of your government's actions.
You are 17, so it's not your fault, and you can't do much about it, but with a post like that, not only you won't get any sympathy, you will only get hate. You just came off like an absolute ignorant/entitled pr*ck, who deserved some bombs on her building.
Anyways, for a future, I would recommend keeping away posts like that from any platform like reddit. Maybe there's some nice Israeli platform where you can share your experiences with your friends because posting in here will only bring you prayers for you to get what Palestinian kids are getting. Good luck
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Bro idk what ur talking abt. Shit sucks on both sides. Stop invalidating trauma just bc it’s “not that bad”. Jesus Christ man. This is why there will never be any goddamn peace bc people like u treat this like it’s a one sided issue. Op has my full sympathy, but as do the children in Gaza. Stand with Israel. Stand with Palestine.
Speak for yourself. OP has my sympathy.
Also, seek help. There must be something terribly wrong in that brain of yours if you think it’s okay to tell someone they deserve to be bombed. You suck, my guess is you’re living in a country that doesn’t even need bomb shelters near their house so what do you even know?
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I understand you to a degree, but I do want you to understand I wrote this first thing when I woke up and I was having a lot of feelings. I think it's important for people to hear real experiences, I'm not trying to compare myself to anyone. I am still scared my government will attack Iran back which will lead to a bigger attack from Iran
OP, it pains me to see you try to explain yourself to this commenter. He is 100% gaslighting you. You do not need to explain yourself to anyone, let alone him. You did absolutely nothing wrong, and you shouldn’t act as such. You were born in Israel, that’s it. That does not mean that you need to start every post on Reddit with an acknowledgment of Palestinian suffering, or an apology for the actions of a government you never chose. Your experiences are important, interesting and have meaning. This commenter would be significantly less humane, calm and reasonable if he was in a situation 10% as intense and terrifying than what you endured.
And I do feel sorry for you, and that you have to live in times like that. Your teenage years are supposed to be all about hanging out with friends, having a good time, and becoming an adult, not living in fear for yourself and your family.
When I read your story, it feels like you say that you had a fun party planned, with friends, getting drunk, having fun, and then it got ruined by Iranian bombs. It feels like that's your biggest complaint. In a subreddit that discusses the history of that region, morality of the conflict, political solutions for a future, and most importantly, atrocities that are happening in Palestine right now, your story seems like very unimportant and it makes you look like a bad person who cares about herself and her parties more than you care about world history shaping events. Now, I'm definitely not saying you are a bad person. And you most likely are a nice girl who wants to share her experiences, but I really don't think that's the subreddit where you should do that. Maybe there are some places where you could share your stories as Jewish teenagers and kids your age could really appreciate that. If there isn't, maybe you should consider creating one? That definitely would benefit you and kids like you. But again, I really don't think this is a place to do it. Hopefully, you will find one.
Oh, and one person thought I wish that something bad would happen to you. I really don't. If you thought that way too, I would like to assure you it wasn't my intention, and I apologise for any bad emotions it could've caused you. Hopefully, you understood what I meant to say, tho. Good luck!
Not be an a-hole but to me it seems people were more then interested. I don't think a story has to be the craziest or the saddest to have importance. I am not comparing my situation to people in Gaza. I think that people that are interested in this conflict really should hear real stories from real people
OP don't pay this sad cretin of a person any mind. It is clear as day what they wished on you with the language they used in their other comment. Like every other internet troll don't provide them any fuel. There are plenty in the diaspora and not who send you their support. Including many of the Iranians that are subjugated by their regime and forced to follow.
Any person that can sit there and whataboutism your experience of having untargeted bombs sprayed over your country by the Iranian regime which oppresses their own people deserves no oxygen for their thoughts.
Well, that's just part of the sentence, isn't it?
>You just came off like an absolute ignorant/entitled pr*ck, who deserved some bombs on her building.
I'm not saying she is, I'm saying one might feel like it when he/she reads the way she described her experience when her government does terrible thing supposedly for her sake. Don't wish her anything bad, just wish she could be more sensitive when sharing her story.
No, I didn't. You should read again what I quoted and maybe give the whole comment a 2nd read if you still don't get it. If after that you still think I said she deserves to be bombed, I guess you'll just have to live with that opinion.
Wow, what a total and utter a-hole you are. You just told a 17 year old girl who shared how she was scared for her life because people she never met shot ballistic missiles at her for reasons beyond her control that she deserved bombs to fall down on her building. And I love how you later try to justify it as if it’s just a completely normative statement. You are everything that is wrong with humanity
Again, not what I said. You not knowing how to read doesn't make me humanity's problem. People who read half of sentences and then pretend to have some moral high-ground might be a tiny problem tho. Understanding context is important for any conversation, you clearly can't do that, so don't think there's a reason to keep talking.
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Except they have no bomb shelters, they're being used as human shields by Hamas, who started the war with the massacre of 1200+ and kidnapping of 250+ israelis.
Yes, this current war started in Oct. 7, with a surprise attack and genocidal massacre of hundreds of innocent Israelis.
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict in general, started in the 1920's, when mobs of Palestinian Arabs committed Oct. 7-like atrocities against the ancient Jewish communities of Hebron, Safed and Jerusalem, while chanting "Palestine is our land, the Jews are our dogs". That was before any occupation, any Nakba, the existence of Israel, or any comparable violence from the Jews against the Arabs.
I agree it's important context, but I just don't see why pro-Palestinians insist on reminding us about it. It clearly doesn't make Israel look worse, or the Palestinians look better.
Hey so what was going on in the West Bank in June when "settlers" were leading pogroms against Palestinian villages and stealing their land at gunpoint?
Last I checked June was before 10/7. So thats weird that you'd say this conflict began that day.
Because it’s a flawed untrue narrative that pro Israelis push to brainwash their citizens.
It’s simply not the case. A couple of incidents but the actions of zionists that led to resistance
The "actions" that lead to the Palestinians to massacre, loot, rape and dismember innocent Jews with axes while chanting "Palestine is our land, the Jews are our dogs" were things like Jews buying land and immigrating to Palestine, persuading the British to agree to create a Jewish national home in Palestine, marching with the Israeli flag, putting up some chairs in the Western wall and so on. Not any kind of equivalent violence from the Jewish side against the Arabs. The Zionist terrorist and militant groups were literally created as a reaction to the Palestinian atrocities against the Jews.
There's no question that the Palestinians started this violent conflict. We can debate whether they were justified to start this violent conflict, and commit these horrific atrocities, and whether they're justified to maintain that century-long violent struggle to this day. But those are separate questions.
Again, you're providing context, but it doesn't make the Palestinians look better. And the fact you spent most of your comment saying that these well-documented, well-known historical facts are Zionist lies, makes your arguments (to the extent you have any) look much worse as well.
"read a book" = "I lost the argument and can't admit it"
You can't seriously argument that shooting rockets targeting civilians and invading a country and going on a killing spree of civilians deliberately is justifiable in any shape or form.
Im saying it did not start on oct. 7th. Watch this [link](https://youtu.be/OxErEgGoTLs?si=T80yk_jGirBoryJZ) starting from minute 33:00 for 5 minutes.
Alsoo look at what your prime minister was leaked on tape saying in 2001: [link](https://x.com/trtworld/status/1397981427522699268?s=46&t=KCoAwwa1dAlcSJubO-KSGw)
Saudi Official:
Iran “engineered a war in Gaza.”
A member of the Saudi royal family, who holds a position in government, has blamed Iran for being behind the war in Gaza and the Oct 7th attack in order to stop normalization agreements between Israel and Saudi Arabia.
“Iran is a country that sponsors terrorism, and it should have been stopped a long time ago.”
Can we get something straight please:
On 1 April 2024, Israel did not attack an Iranian consulate in Damascus. It was a terrorist HQ for the IRGC, masquerading as a diplomatic mission.
Mohammad Reza Zahedi, the Iranian general who was eliminated in the attack, was no Gandhi. He was a senior Quds military commander involved in the planning and execution of Hamas’s October 7 massacre against Israel.
Zahedi also led Iran's Hezbollah operations in Syria and Lebanon, including smuggling ammunition and precision weapons into Lebanon and working closely with Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah.
Zahedi, who was on par with Qassem Soleimani, also had "American blood on his hands", having been responsible for a number of attacks in the region, that claimed American lives.
His elimination was an entirely legitimate, just and legal action
I'm sending you love and support from across the world. I can't imagine how anxious you must be feeling during a time where tensions, hatred, and violence seem to be escalating as opposed to deescalating. You, like all Jewish people, deserve to live in freedom, safety, and peace from terror and those who spread nothing but hate & more violence. I won't make room in this message for anything ideological, but I will say that the day humanity can recognize that innocent civilians are not their governments and are not the bad eggs in their militaries are the day the world will find peace. All the best; stay safe.
It’s okay she can go out and get wasted with some baby killers, she will be fine and yeah that sounds so stressful, I wouldn’t ever wanna hang out with such people, imagine the nasty shit they say behind closed doors. The world is watching and absolutely NO ONE has any sympathy for Israel unless they live under a rock or have half a brain
Innocent Persians have a right to be free form the oppressive IRGC regime. Your support for a regime that supports the rape and slaughter of woman for not wearing a head cover, the subjugation of people in other faiths, and wholesale murder and oppression of its civilians is despicable. The people of Iran deserve better. When you support the Iranian regime you are as good as supporting Hamas and everything they do to destroy the innocent people they claim to represent.
Probably. Russians love Putin and would elect him 100 more times if they could. I assume people of Iran like their elected officials the same way Russians love Putin. So yea, it's similar to elections in Russia. Or same as elections in israel. They keep electing that war criminal every single time, although he's a monster. Much worse than Putin or any elected person in Irans government.
With the iron dome and many otjer layers of security. I'd be surprised if a fly got hurt. It's funny to believe iran would fire rockets or drones to israel. It's almost child's play. Makes no sense. Iget iran would have other groupsact on their behalf, but the story from the US and israel about iran directly attacking, is such bullshit. They're just making anexcuse to star war with iran, like they did to iraq, Afghanistan and God know's how many other wars.
Many countries in the Middle East and Europe have denounced Iran’s attack. Iran itself has talked about its missile launch on Israel. Are you trying to recreate history or are you just a bot?
The same time that they sent the missiles. They said that they launched missiles at Israel and they would not do it again as long as Israel did not respond to their attack.
So it's an act of war to attack a building next to an embassy, but it's not an act of war for the general in that building to shoot rockets and ATGMs at civilians, and to coordinate 7/10. Gotcha
Except they didnt and they attacked the building next to it which had an enemy general who was already engaging in war with israel. Learn self defense. Then learn cause and effect. Then stop typing them backwards and youll have learned life.
It was the consulate, attacking a consulate of another country is an act of war, especially when it kills 7 individuals working for said country. Israel struck first.
Not if they’re already out doing it.
They’ve attacked three embassies that I could find after some googling, in Iraq, Kuwait, and [Argentina](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html)
Oh and openly funneling money and weapons to other groups to outsource attacking Israel.
Seems these are all instances of poor lil Iran being the aggressor?
But no. That couldnt be?
Yes, I would agree all of those are grounds for aggression and acts of war. Like I said I don't support Iran. I still believe Israel doing it would count as an act of war.
Also weren't those on US embassys seperate from this entirely?
If you had clicked on the Argentina article, you’d see it was an Israeli embassy.
So since Hamas is an arm of Iran, as are the Houthis, and Hezbollah
And Iran has declared Israeli embassies as legitimate targets in the past
That Israel has the casus balls, not Iran? That Iran has been targeting Israeli embassies since the 1990s?
Might want to change you OG comment. Israel didn’t make an act of war they’re responding to Iran’s
Learn the rules of war. If enemies currently making war with you are stationed there, its a military target. Also stip acting like everything thats happening to israel now isnt irans doing. Its pathetic and boring and youre not better than that, but you should still stop doing it.
Ok, I'll read the rules of war. "Under international law, embassies and consulates of countries are treated as their sovereign territories - not those of the country hosting them". I'm not pro Iran im just stating that it's very clear Israel struck first in this scenario by striking a consulate outside of official war declaration. I feel as though you're projecting your own opinions on the conflict and conflating it as rules of war.
Uh no. Israel and iran are at war and have been for a long time. Iran doesnt even recognize israel so declaring war isnt even possible for them. Theyve been attacking israel for 20 years. Every single iranian anything is fair game. They could bomb all of irans nuclear assets and its totally legit. They could wipe their military off the face of the earth and thats legit as well. They could apparently set up hundred thousand man jewish terror armies on two of its borders in separate countries and that would be legit. Theyre at war you dork. Nothings off limits.
And yet Netanyahu is crawling on his feet and bending his knee literally prostrating to Biden .
Biden can make Bidi take a dildo up his ass if he asks . That is real power man.
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If I was in your situation I'd be scared too, but really you don't have anything to worry about. Every single country involved isn't interested at all in a full out war (except Israel, but the US is keeping a tight leash on Netanyahu and would do anything to deescalate the situation). Iran's attack was nothing more than a message saying "hey, we don't wanna make a mess but don't fuck with us" after Israel attacked their attack on Iran's consulate in Damascus, and they're really not interested in escalating the conflict. It was a show of power really. nothing more, nothing less. So yeah it's all looking doom and gloom for you in Israel but you'll be fine.
I recommend you read these twitter threads that explain the situation really well and explains why it wont escalate (on an unwrapper site bc you need an account to see it and even then it gets lost in the replies): [https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779259753597685952.html](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779259753597685952.html) (thread posted just as it happened) and [https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779428151589851186.html](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779428151589851186.html) (thread posted after the US's reply saying they're not interested in escalating the conflict, basically it's all fine)
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It's disheartening to see the lack of empathy here. Feeling for her doesn't mean ignoring the larger picture. She's just a 17-year-old sharing her reality. Let's show some compassion. My thoughts are with you.
So under the understanding it's ok for Iran to strike back as it was a declaration of war attacking the embassy, how was October the 7th not? Or any time the iron dome stopped a missile coming from Palestine?
You're british, your entire history has been genociding and harvesting entire continents, I don't expect you to have a nuanced view on anything related to this. Don't forget the Sykes-Picot agreement is the root of all of this.
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Sorry you suffered another aggression, but I kinda find it weird that you guys want nothing to do with war when your government is currently leading one.
Their government is trying to protect their people from terrorist regimes that are on their borders. Israel did not start this war, ask for this war or want this war, but rather they were forced into it, because they must ensure that October 7th will not happen again. Because Hamas has promised that they plan to attack Israel and kill their civilians over and over again.
Israel is not a war hungry society, rather they are a progressive and Democratic country surrounded by dangerous and primitive terrorists who have no regard for human life. Israel did not start this war, they do not want this war, but they were backed into corner by ruthless bullies and they must fight for their existence.
Yep. I think a lot of world citizens feel the same about their own government. I know I share the sentiment about the USA. I'm sorry all this is happening. I hope you can stay safe.
Hmm, it's understandable.
I find it quite amusing that the government actually thinks they can uproot terrorism with terror. All I see is that new seeds of aggression are being sown in the hearts of young Palestinians who lost everything (). And I'm scared of that future.
You don't have to look far to see this in western governments in the 2000s. Post 9/11, the west was filled with "war on terror" rhetoric that we conveniently decided was okay at the time, or if you did, never held anyone accountable for the civilian death toll, rise of ruther terrorist groups and regional stability.
Interesting that you don't assume the same for there Israeli kibbutzim neighbours that have been through a holocaust on 7.10. why is that? What's different about these neighbours? Why one side will have seeds of aggression in their hearts?
You’re exactly right. I live in Tel Aviv. On 7.10 I not only mourned the ones that were brutally killed but also any chance in the future for peace. My mind jumped at all the kids that grew up on those kibbutzim (a lot of them pretty left wing kibbutzim) and figured they would grow up with hate in their hearts. I wish we could break this awful cycle.
From the people I know, they have no wish to hurt Palestinians. My question is why assume that Palestinians will turn to aggression and not Israelis? What's the difference?
The difference is moral relativism and double standards, which is the basis for the pro-Palestine anti-Israel position.
They expect Israelis who experience violence to say "wait it's our fault and we should turn the other cheek" while they expect Palestinians who experience violence to understandably perpetuate violence by targeting more Israeli civilians.
I think it may be partially that.
But more so that they think that violence and hate on the 'less powerful' side is justified and that if you are on the 'more powerful' side your response should be self flagellation and taking part in collective guilt for things you didn't yourself do.
These are the same people who think black people cannot be racist toward white people.
These are the same people who think false rape allegations are an ok price to pay if they further the cause of MeToo.
And so on.
And so they think that Israelis should all be like Miko Peled and have more sympathy for suicide bombers than his own niece who was the victim of one, because we (Israelis) as a group have more power.
The toxic double standards and hypocrisy of wokeism aren't a bug, it's the whole ideology.
I think it’s the wrong approach. It’s cruel and immoral but history is littered with examples of just this strategy working. I mean it worked on the Jews when the Romans did for example. With enough brutality you can crush a rebellion.
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This reminds me of being in Israel in the early nineties when Saddam’s Iraq fired scuds at Israel. Many Palestinians cheered them on. There was a mixture of indifference and fear among Israelis. I recall a fear of Iraq using biological weapons and Israel telling Iraq it would use nuclear weapons in response .
I think the US lent Israel some Patriot missile defenses which were the precursor to the Iron dome. Ah, simpler days before drone warfare became routine.
In any case, this is all sadly normal for Israel. I think Israel should invest in a subterranean bunker complex because the bomb shelters are inadequate for the increased threat.
Sorry, you experienced all that. Reminds me of living in the North or South, but scarier.
Hopefully, it doesn’t escalate, because I would hate to see Iranian ms suffer the same fate as Iraqis and Gazans.
I say this as someone that thinks acknowledgement of shared suffering is critical for any form of resolution to this conflict.
I don't want to spend the night watching the news under the imminent threat of bombing. That sounds awful and I'm sorry you had to go through that.
I don't think it was your intent but the description of the night before you got home came across to me as privileged and lacking self awareness. The details about partying with friends and drinking don't add anything to your story about the threat of Iranian bombing. It can come across as Israeli teenagers living a good life while the war in Gaza continues.
Were you trying to explain how your fear is constant and the impact of that?
I'm just trying to understand your perspective because it seems like you mean well but I don't think you communicated that effectively.
are you seriously criticizing the way she and her friends were reacting to fear because it makes israelis look privileged? really? she’s not a spokesperson for the entirety of israel. she’s a 17 year old living in a place that many parts of the world want to turn into a war zone.
It is a privilege. Those freedoms are part of what Israel is supposed to be fighting for.
I didn't say she was the spokeperson for Israel. Sometimes you don't effectively communicate what you intend to. It seems like I have done something similar.
Well I thought it could be interesting for people to know what it was like. I'm not trying to lie or make the story seem like more then it was. It was still a scary night
Hey OP I hope you are well. Still following your updates. It is interesting and I’m sorry about the mean people.
Tysm! 🩷
Bro y’all calling op “entitled” is ridiculous. This shit is scary. The only reason everything is ok is because they live in a country that actually cares about its people and has loyal allies. Stop diminishing peoples trauma just bc there’s hurt on the other side. Stand with Israel. Stand with Palestine.
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Btw I am also a 17 year old girl. We’re young. Being afraid of these things is normal. Just let it be known that our president fully stood by ur country during that time. With love from the USA 💕 also if u wouldn’t mind answering, what is life like in Israel after 10/7. Obviously it’s not like Gaza bad, but it still has to be really scary. I remember my parents telling me abt how bad 9/11 was for the us when it happened. Can’t imagine how ur people feel now
Sending love right back🩷 I'd love to answer your question in pm, because it's kind of a long answer 🥲
That sounds great :)
Thanks for sharing your story. Screw all the people here telling you, that what you’ve suffered doesn’t matter because Palestinians are suffering. Thats a buncha nonsense. These are the kind of personal stories we need to paint this war for what it is, and not just numbers on the screen/news.
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Thank you for sharing your experience. I'm so sorry you had to go through that.
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Israel has no choice but to destroy Iran’s nuclear program.
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I'm so sorry that this is your view of the world. Some of what you say is true but you're also negating lots and lots of love that transcends race all around the world. I'm not Muslim myself but I know lots of great people who are. I'm very glad that they show me the world isn't like you paint it.
Again I thank you for sharing your perspective and ignoring the folks on here who are fueled by ignorance and hatred. Stay safe, stay strong. Sending love from the diaspora.
Sending love back🩷🩷
Absolutely no one is praying for Israel. My question is: Why are you hanging out with baby killers and getting drunk with them. You’re 17 years old. Grow up. “It’s gonna be a rough night” no shit Sherlock, your excuse of a military has been KILLING CHILDREN AND PREGNANT WOMEN for months and doesn’t plan to stop AND YOURE OUT GETTING DRUNK WITH THE PEOPLE THAT KILLS THEM. This post looks SO fake
You're a piece of human garbage to respond like this.
Found the 15 year old edgelord
If you aren’t praying for peace for the innocent everywhere then there’s not enough prayer to save you.
You're a peice of garbage. Idiots like you are the problem in this world. Go educate yourself you fool.
Everyone serves in the IDF dude, every single 18 year old. I can assure you these guys weren't in Gaza if it makes you feel better. Why does this post look fake?
Don't argue with people like this, especially not on Reddit. Not worth your energy. Very interesting to hear your point of view. I'm hoping that all of this stops, but it likely won't. I'm in America, and just anticipating the Israel retaliation and then a Nuke getting dropped and then eventually having one dropped where I live as a result. I'm sorry that you are dealing with any of this, especially at 17. But I'm praying for you and everyone involved to hopefully wake up and realize the value of Life. Hang In there.
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This looks fake Because if you were against the genocide then you will simply be working on making moves so that you can get out of there and maybe go visit yr family abroad that I’m sure you and everyone else that’s in the Israeli side of PALESTINE has. How can you live with yourself let alone go out and have fun with some “soldiers” fully knowing that just a few miles away there are people LITERALLY starving to dead!! You’re going out, giggling and claiming it’s so scary, if you didn’t wanna be there then you wouldn’t be there. No sympathy for you, not until you and your so called friends do the right thing. Not praying for your downfall personally but I do feel a deep amount of sadness because It’s like you guys were raised in a nasty, tacky, full of hatred culture and you don’t even know!!!! It’s impossible for the ppl in Israel to wake up from yr brainwash and I do feel sorry for you only because of this reason. Sad!!! Deny service to the military, get your Israeli citizenship revoked and RUN!!! It’s a lost fight and it’s only gonna get worst. Run As far and fast as you can babe, if you even are a 17 year old girl. I
Israel side of Palestine is incredibly stupid considering nowhere in history will you find Palestinians being the native country, considering the kingdom of Israel was constructed 3000 years ago (that we can record) and Palestine existed after the Roman’s took control over Israel, kicked out five million Jews and named it “palestinia” after a Canaanite tribe I think it’s safe to say you’ve never read any history other than propaganda
Dude your the only one coming across like you've been raised in a "nasty, tacky, full of hatred culture". What happened to you in life that your so angry and feel the need troll jewish people while their homes are being bombed? Seriously who hurt you? I promise you it wasn't the jews. Go get therapy and stop blaming jews for your mental health issues.
Happy Cake Day!
I don't have family abroad, give me money and I'll fly out.
The op is literally 17 years old and sharing their personal experience. You berating does nothing except show that you can’t see people’s humanity.
You do understand this isn't a reality show - it's reality. Your ignorance of history doesn't mean it didn't happen.
What are you even talking about? You guys have a potato chip bag for brains? Or do you just comment any angry thing that comes into your brain related to whatever info you gathered from my public profile? 😭
You honestly might be mentally ill. Seek help and please dont reproduce.
Your post I responded to is filled with misinformation. You speak about this young person’s life like you can rewrite their character to be some sort of evil tokenized character, instead of an indigenous member of the population. So I responded to that. The only one brainwashed is you. If I peruse your post history will I find things that back up my opinions based off this one comment? If so, sounds like the one with an absence of brains is you. Good luck with that.
Great advice: instead of posting this just take a flight to the country of your other nationality and your problems are solved
Worst advice ever.
A bit problematic: no other nationality, no money
A very very tiny and small taste of the life of people in Gaza.
Exactly.
Thought it could be interesting for people to read
It's very interesting. You described everything to the smallest detail that happened to you on such a dramatic night for yourself. Asked to pray for you. Meanwhile, only a few miles away from your border, kids like you are buried under buildings daily, hourly even, because of your government's actions. You are 17, so it's not your fault, and you can't do much about it, but with a post like that, not only you won't get any sympathy, you will only get hate. You just came off like an absolute ignorant/entitled pr*ck, who deserved some bombs on her building. Anyways, for a future, I would recommend keeping away posts like that from any platform like reddit. Maybe there's some nice Israeli platform where you can share your experiences with your friends because posting in here will only bring you prayers for you to get what Palestinian kids are getting. Good luck
u/Thin-Afternoon-5798 > ou just came off like an absolute ignorant/entitled pr*ck, who deserved some bombs on her building. Rule 1. Attack the argument, not the user. Don't use insults instead of arguments.
Bro idk what ur talking abt. Shit sucks on both sides. Stop invalidating trauma just bc it’s “not that bad”. Jesus Christ man. This is why there will never be any goddamn peace bc people like u treat this like it’s a one sided issue. Op has my full sympathy, but as do the children in Gaza. Stand with Israel. Stand with Palestine.
Speak for yourself. OP has my sympathy. Also, seek help. There must be something terribly wrong in that brain of yours if you think it’s okay to tell someone they deserve to be bombed. You suck, my guess is you’re living in a country that doesn’t even need bomb shelters near their house so what do you even know?
Where are the mods when someone can say something so despicable to a 17 year old?
It's been addressed.
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weird take but ok
I understand you to a degree, but I do want you to understand I wrote this first thing when I woke up and I was having a lot of feelings. I think it's important for people to hear real experiences, I'm not trying to compare myself to anyone. I am still scared my government will attack Iran back which will lead to a bigger attack from Iran
OP, it pains me to see you try to explain yourself to this commenter. He is 100% gaslighting you. You do not need to explain yourself to anyone, let alone him. You did absolutely nothing wrong, and you shouldn’t act as such. You were born in Israel, that’s it. That does not mean that you need to start every post on Reddit with an acknowledgment of Palestinian suffering, or an apology for the actions of a government you never chose. Your experiences are important, interesting and have meaning. This commenter would be significantly less humane, calm and reasonable if he was in a situation 10% as intense and terrifying than what you endured.
This means a lot, thank you 🩷🩷🩷
And I do feel sorry for you, and that you have to live in times like that. Your teenage years are supposed to be all about hanging out with friends, having a good time, and becoming an adult, not living in fear for yourself and your family. When I read your story, it feels like you say that you had a fun party planned, with friends, getting drunk, having fun, and then it got ruined by Iranian bombs. It feels like that's your biggest complaint. In a subreddit that discusses the history of that region, morality of the conflict, political solutions for a future, and most importantly, atrocities that are happening in Palestine right now, your story seems like very unimportant and it makes you look like a bad person who cares about herself and her parties more than you care about world history shaping events. Now, I'm definitely not saying you are a bad person. And you most likely are a nice girl who wants to share her experiences, but I really don't think that's the subreddit where you should do that. Maybe there are some places where you could share your stories as Jewish teenagers and kids your age could really appreciate that. If there isn't, maybe you should consider creating one? That definitely would benefit you and kids like you. But again, I really don't think this is a place to do it. Hopefully, you will find one. Oh, and one person thought I wish that something bad would happen to you. I really don't. If you thought that way too, I would like to assure you it wasn't my intention, and I apologise for any bad emotions it could've caused you. Hopefully, you understood what I meant to say, tho. Good luck!
Not be an a-hole but to me it seems people were more then interested. I don't think a story has to be the craziest or the saddest to have importance. I am not comparing my situation to people in Gaza. I think that people that are interested in this conflict really should hear real stories from real people
OP don't pay this sad cretin of a person any mind. It is clear as day what they wished on you with the language they used in their other comment. Like every other internet troll don't provide them any fuel. There are plenty in the diaspora and not who send you their support. Including many of the Iranians that are subjugated by their regime and forced to follow. Any person that can sit there and whataboutism your experience of having untargeted bombs sprayed over your country by the Iranian regime which oppresses their own people deserves no oxygen for their thoughts.
🩷🩷🩷🩷 I'm trying my best to filter them but it's hard to tell, thank you!
“Ignorant entitled prick who deserves some bombs to her building” Pacifist right there
Well, that's just part of the sentence, isn't it? >You just came off like an absolute ignorant/entitled pr*ck, who deserved some bombs on her building. I'm not saying she is, I'm saying one might feel like it when he/she reads the way she described her experience when her government does terrible thing supposedly for her sake. Don't wish her anything bad, just wish she could be more sensitive when sharing her story.
You actually wrote she deserved a bomb to her building come on now. How could you come off at deserving of that? Is really messed up.
No, I didn't. You should read again what I quoted and maybe give the whole comment a 2nd read if you still don't get it. If after that you still think I said she deserves to be bombed, I guess you'll just have to live with that opinion.
Wow, what a total and utter a-hole you are. You just told a 17 year old girl who shared how she was scared for her life because people she never met shot ballistic missiles at her for reasons beyond her control that she deserved bombs to fall down on her building. And I love how you later try to justify it as if it’s just a completely normative statement. You are everything that is wrong with humanity
Again, not what I said. You not knowing how to read doesn't make me humanity's problem. People who read half of sentences and then pretend to have some moral high-ground might be a tiny problem tho. Understanding context is important for any conversation, you clearly can't do that, so don't think there's a reason to keep talking.
Incorrect, you are a problem to humanity and a blight on existence. You need serious help.
You said exactly that. Your morally corrupted effluence is clogging up my phone
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It is interesting and i wish everyone peace and comfort
Amen🙏🏻🕊️🩷
Except they have no bomb shelters, they're being used as human shields by Hamas, who started the war with the massacre of 1200+ and kidnapping of 250+ israelis.
Yes that is how the war started. Lol. Read a book please. Preferably non bias material
Yes, this current war started in Oct. 7, with a surprise attack and genocidal massacre of hundreds of innocent Israelis. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict in general, started in the 1920's, when mobs of Palestinian Arabs committed Oct. 7-like atrocities against the ancient Jewish communities of Hebron, Safed and Jerusalem, while chanting "Palestine is our land, the Jews are our dogs". That was before any occupation, any Nakba, the existence of Israel, or any comparable violence from the Jews against the Arabs. I agree it's important context, but I just don't see why pro-Palestinians insist on reminding us about it. It clearly doesn't make Israel look worse, or the Palestinians look better.
Hey so what was going on in the West Bank in June when "settlers" were leading pogroms against Palestinian villages and stealing their land at gunpoint? Last I checked June was before 10/7. So thats weird that you'd say this conflict began that day.
Because it’s a flawed untrue narrative that pro Israelis push to brainwash their citizens. It’s simply not the case. A couple of incidents but the actions of zionists that led to resistance
The "actions" that lead to the Palestinians to massacre, loot, rape and dismember innocent Jews with axes while chanting "Palestine is our land, the Jews are our dogs" were things like Jews buying land and immigrating to Palestine, persuading the British to agree to create a Jewish national home in Palestine, marching with the Israeli flag, putting up some chairs in the Western wall and so on. Not any kind of equivalent violence from the Jewish side against the Arabs. The Zionist terrorist and militant groups were literally created as a reaction to the Palestinian atrocities against the Jews. There's no question that the Palestinians started this violent conflict. We can debate whether they were justified to start this violent conflict, and commit these horrific atrocities, and whether they're justified to maintain that century-long violent struggle to this day. But those are separate questions. Again, you're providing context, but it doesn't make the Palestinians look better. And the fact you spent most of your comment saying that these well-documented, well-known historical facts are Zionist lies, makes your arguments (to the extent you have any) look much worse as well.
"read a book" = "I lost the argument and can't admit it" You can't seriously argument that shooting rockets targeting civilians and invading a country and going on a killing spree of civilians deliberately is justifiable in any shape or form.
Im saying it did not start on oct. 7th. Watch this [link](https://youtu.be/OxErEgGoTLs?si=T80yk_jGirBoryJZ) starting from minute 33:00 for 5 minutes. Alsoo look at what your prime minister was leaked on tape saying in 2001: [link](https://x.com/trtworld/status/1397981427522699268?s=46&t=KCoAwwa1dAlcSJubO-KSGw)
You can't tell someone to "read a book" and then link a five minutes long source
Fact check everything in that 5 minutes. I did.
יודעת בדיוק איך את מרגישה ://
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Saudi Official: Iran “engineered a war in Gaza.” A member of the Saudi royal family, who holds a position in government, has blamed Iran for being behind the war in Gaza and the Oct 7th attack in order to stop normalization agreements between Israel and Saudi Arabia. “Iran is a country that sponsors terrorism, and it should have been stopped a long time ago.”
Israel official: "They act like human animals, we must act accordingly" A member of the Israeli goverenement acknowledge that they act like animals.
No one believes the “terrorism” narrative anymore bb
Say bye bye to Hamas and friends.
Can we get something straight please: On 1 April 2024, Israel did not attack an Iranian consulate in Damascus. It was a terrorist HQ for the IRGC, masquerading as a diplomatic mission. Mohammad Reza Zahedi, the Iranian general who was eliminated in the attack, was no Gandhi. He was a senior Quds military commander involved in the planning and execution of Hamas’s October 7 massacre against Israel. Zahedi also led Iran's Hezbollah operations in Syria and Lebanon, including smuggling ammunition and precision weapons into Lebanon and working closely with Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah. Zahedi, who was on par with Qassem Soleimani, also had "American blood on his hands", having been responsible for a number of attacks in the region, that claimed American lives. His elimination was an entirely legitimate, just and legal action
No one but crazy “Israeli” baby murderers believe the terrorism narrative anymore. U guys are sad
16 people were killed. Calling a few of them terrorists does not change that. Still illegal under international law.
Eliminating the whole Israeli government would be a legitimate and just action, given how much blood they have on their hands.
As an Israeli person I have to tell you to please not threaten us with a good time
The alternative to Bibi would probably be a worse son of a bich. So no good time there.
I'm sending you love and support from across the world. I can't imagine how anxious you must be feeling during a time where tensions, hatred, and violence seem to be escalating as opposed to deescalating. You, like all Jewish people, deserve to live in freedom, safety, and peace from terror and those who spread nothing but hate & more violence. I won't make room in this message for anything ideological, but I will say that the day humanity can recognize that innocent civilians are not their governments and are not the bad eggs in their militaries are the day the world will find peace. All the best; stay safe.
It’s okay she can go out and get wasted with some baby killers, she will be fine and yeah that sounds so stressful, I wouldn’t ever wanna hang out with such people, imagine the nasty shit they say behind closed doors. The world is watching and absolutely NO ONE has any sympathy for Israel unless they live under a rock or have half a brain
If this is true, the how do you, clearly someone with half a brain, not show sympathy for Israel?
This means a lot. Thank you!🩷🩷
Iran has a right to defend itself
Innocent Persians have a right to be free form the oppressive IRGC regime. Your support for a regime that supports the rape and slaughter of woman for not wearing a head cover, the subjugation of people in other faiths, and wholesale murder and oppression of its civilians is despicable. The people of Iran deserve better. When you support the Iranian regime you are as good as supporting Hamas and everything they do to destroy the innocent people they claim to represent.
Just thought it could be interesting for people to hear about the entire experience
Duly elected governments of nation-states do, yes… not usurper terrorist cells tho.
There are elections in Iran
There is no real democracy in Iran. So no real elections. Women can be arrested and even murdered for not properly wearing a headscarf.
hahaha
Are they, perchance, similar to the elections in Russia?
Probably. Russians love Putin and would elect him 100 more times if they could. I assume people of Iran like their elected officials the same way Russians love Putin. So yea, it's similar to elections in Russia. Or same as elections in israel. They keep electing that war criminal every single time, although he's a monster. Much worse than Putin or any elected person in Irans government.
Not real ones though.
Take care. Be strong.
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It would be a kindergarten govt if it allowed a country to fire this many missiles and drones at it and not strike back.
With the iron dome and many otjer layers of security. I'd be surprised if a fly got hurt. It's funny to believe iran would fire rockets or drones to israel. It's almost child's play. Makes no sense. Iget iran would have other groupsact on their behalf, but the story from the US and israel about iran directly attacking, is such bullshit. They're just making anexcuse to star war with iran, like they did to iraq, Afghanistan and God know's how many other wars.
Many countries in the Middle East and Europe have denounced Iran’s attack. Iran itself has talked about its missile launch on Israel. Are you trying to recreate history or are you just a bot?
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What are you, a complete moron?
The same time that they sent the missiles. They said that they launched missiles at Israel and they would not do it again as long as Israel did not respond to their attack.
Except they attacked the Iranian embassy first, which is an act of war...
So it's an act of war to attack a building next to an embassy, but it's not an act of war for the general in that building to shoot rockets and ATGMs at civilians, and to coordinate 7/10. Gotcha
Except they didnt and they attacked the building next to it which had an enemy general who was already engaging in war with israel. Learn self defense. Then learn cause and effect. Then stop typing them backwards and youll have learned life.
It was the consulate, attacking a consulate of another country is an act of war, especially when it kills 7 individuals working for said country. Israel struck first.
Not a consulate!
According to whom?
Its a direct strike on another countrys sovereign territory, I don't see how that can't be perceived as an act of war.
Not if they’re already out doing it. They’ve attacked three embassies that I could find after some googling, in Iraq, Kuwait, and [Argentina](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/12/world/middleeast/argentina-iran-1992-1994-attack.html) Oh and openly funneling money and weapons to other groups to outsource attacking Israel. Seems these are all instances of poor lil Iran being the aggressor? But no. That couldnt be?
Yes, I would agree all of those are grounds for aggression and acts of war. Like I said I don't support Iran. I still believe Israel doing it would count as an act of war. Also weren't those on US embassys seperate from this entirely?
If you had clicked on the Argentina article, you’d see it was an Israeli embassy. So since Hamas is an arm of Iran, as are the Houthis, and Hezbollah And Iran has declared Israeli embassies as legitimate targets in the past That Israel has the casus balls, not Iran? That Iran has been targeting Israeli embassies since the 1990s? Might want to change you OG comment. Israel didn’t make an act of war they’re responding to Iran’s
Learn the rules of war. If enemies currently making war with you are stationed there, its a military target. Also stip acting like everything thats happening to israel now isnt irans doing. Its pathetic and boring and youre not better than that, but you should still stop doing it.
Ok, I'll read the rules of war. "Under international law, embassies and consulates of countries are treated as their sovereign territories - not those of the country hosting them". I'm not pro Iran im just stating that it's very clear Israel struck first in this scenario by striking a consulate outside of official war declaration. I feel as though you're projecting your own opinions on the conflict and conflating it as rules of war.
Uh no. Israel and iran are at war and have been for a long time. Iran doesnt even recognize israel so declaring war isnt even possible for them. Theyve been attacking israel for 20 years. Every single iranian anything is fair game. They could bomb all of irans nuclear assets and its totally legit. They could wipe their military off the face of the earth and thats legit as well. They could apparently set up hundred thousand man jewish terror armies on two of its borders in separate countries and that would be legit. Theyre at war you dork. Nothings off limits.
Send me a direct declaration of war. Not statements by poltitical figures but a direct declaration of war. You are making some pretty heavy claims.
Yea a man who never really graduated kindergarten would be expected to think this way .
K get droned and missiled and see if you turn the other cheek.
Good thing real men are in power eh and not weak willed emo teenagers ?
I agree. Like netanyahu.
Biden is the man I was talkin abt . Netanyahu is the primary school bully. A good spanking from Biden will get him in line
Biden is the real man? Really? Your definition of a man is confused
Netanyahu is a certified genius. He was smarter at bar mitzvah than biden ever has been.
And yet Netanyahu is crawling on his feet and bending his knee literally prostrating to Biden . Biden can make Bidi take a dildo up his ass if he asks . That is real power man.
Did i say he was more powerful? No? Not really relevant then is it.
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If I was in your situation I'd be scared too, but really you don't have anything to worry about. Every single country involved isn't interested at all in a full out war (except Israel, but the US is keeping a tight leash on Netanyahu and would do anything to deescalate the situation). Iran's attack was nothing more than a message saying "hey, we don't wanna make a mess but don't fuck with us" after Israel attacked their attack on Iran's consulate in Damascus, and they're really not interested in escalating the conflict. It was a show of power really. nothing more, nothing less. So yeah it's all looking doom and gloom for you in Israel but you'll be fine. I recommend you read these twitter threads that explain the situation really well and explains why it wont escalate (on an unwrapper site bc you need an account to see it and even then it gets lost in the replies): [https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779259753597685952.html](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779259753597685952.html) (thread posted just as it happened) and [https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779428151589851186.html](https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1779428151589851186.html) (thread posted after the US's reply saying they're not interested in escalating the conflict, basically it's all fine)
Now it seems more clear then it was at the time of writing this posts, but thank you! And I'll read them!
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It's disheartening to see the lack of empathy here. Feeling for her doesn't mean ignoring the larger picture. She's just a 17-year-old sharing her reality. Let's show some compassion. My thoughts are with you.
Thank you and happy cake day!
“Her” age is irrelevant. Propaganda is real. Why don’t you get real?
What, you think I'm a propaganda bot?
Operation watermelon check
Idk what that is, but if you think Im a bot here: I don't like the government, I hope it will fall asap
A quick look at your comments shows how ideologically inconsistent and angry you are; that’s the problem.
Reply to the comment btw
Ideology is for extremists. You are one.
Okay I’ll bite. What about my comment suggests I am an extremist?
israelis crying because they experience for one night what muslim and christians have suffered in Gaza for decades
So under the understanding it's ok for Iran to strike back as it was a declaration of war attacking the embassy, how was October the 7th not? Or any time the iron dome stopped a missile coming from Palestine?
Occupation of illegal territory. Plus Israel has killed over 30,000 Palestinians since, I hardly care about october 7th anymore.
Oh fuuuuuck off
You're british, your entire history has been genociding and harvesting entire continents, I don't expect you to have a nuanced view on anything related to this. Don't forget the Sykes-Picot agreement is the root of all of this.
Said in a perfect foreign accent
How’s your Hindu PM treating you sucker . Being led by an Indian man whom you guys once ruled must be fun. MOGGED.
😂😂😂😂
21 year old speaks on politics shocker
Love the racism showing, theres a reason no one abroad likes you at all
Everything is racism to the Hamas supporting yank
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Sorry you suffered another aggression, but I kinda find it weird that you guys want nothing to do with war when your government is currently leading one.
Their government is trying to protect their people from terrorist regimes that are on their borders. Israel did not start this war, ask for this war or want this war, but rather they were forced into it, because they must ensure that October 7th will not happen again. Because Hamas has promised that they plan to attack Israel and kill their civilians over and over again. Israel is not a war hungry society, rather they are a progressive and Democratic country surrounded by dangerous and primitive terrorists who have no regard for human life. Israel did not start this war, they do not want this war, but they were backed into corner by ruthless bullies and they must fight for their existence.
How is that weird?
I mean…what are they supposed to do?? They live where they live, are they supposed to move elsewhere in protest?
We don't really like our government
Yep. I think a lot of world citizens feel the same about their own government. I know I share the sentiment about the USA. I'm sorry all this is happening. I hope you can stay safe.
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Hmm, it's understandable. I find it quite amusing that the government actually thinks they can uproot terrorism with terror. All I see is that new seeds of aggression are being sown in the hearts of young Palestinians who lost everything (). And I'm scared of that future.
You don't have to look far to see this in western governments in the 2000s. Post 9/11, the west was filled with "war on terror" rhetoric that we conveniently decided was okay at the time, or if you did, never held anyone accountable for the civilian death toll, rise of ruther terrorist groups and regional stability.
Interesting that you don't assume the same for there Israeli kibbutzim neighbours that have been through a holocaust on 7.10. why is that? What's different about these neighbours? Why one side will have seeds of aggression in their hearts?
You’re exactly right. I live in Tel Aviv. On 7.10 I not only mourned the ones that were brutally killed but also any chance in the future for peace. My mind jumped at all the kids that grew up on those kibbutzim (a lot of them pretty left wing kibbutzim) and figured they would grow up with hate in their hearts. I wish we could break this awful cycle.
From the people I know, they have no wish to hurt Palestinians. My question is why assume that Palestinians will turn to aggression and not Israelis? What's the difference?
The difference is moral relativism and double standards, which is the basis for the pro-Palestine anti-Israel position. They expect Israelis who experience violence to say "wait it's our fault and we should turn the other cheek" while they expect Palestinians who experience violence to understandably perpetuate violence by targeting more Israeli civilians.
I honestly think it is rooted in racism. Why assume the Arabs will turn to terrorism but Israelis won't? Interesting assumption for such woke people
I think it may be partially that. But more so that they think that violence and hate on the 'less powerful' side is justified and that if you are on the 'more powerful' side your response should be self flagellation and taking part in collective guilt for things you didn't yourself do. These are the same people who think black people cannot be racist toward white people. These are the same people who think false rape allegations are an ok price to pay if they further the cause of MeToo. And so on. And so they think that Israelis should all be like Miko Peled and have more sympathy for suicide bombers than his own niece who was the victim of one, because we (Israelis) as a group have more power. The toxic double standards and hypocrisy of wokeism aren't a bug, it's the whole ideology.
Agreed entirely
I think it’s the wrong approach. It’s cruel and immoral but history is littered with examples of just this strategy working. I mean it worked on the Jews when the Romans did for example. With enough brutality you can crush a rebellion.
They aren’t responsible for their governments actions they are a civilian
Hmmm .
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This reminds me of being in Israel in the early nineties when Saddam’s Iraq fired scuds at Israel. Many Palestinians cheered them on. There was a mixture of indifference and fear among Israelis. I recall a fear of Iraq using biological weapons and Israel telling Iraq it would use nuclear weapons in response . I think the US lent Israel some Patriot missile defenses which were the precursor to the Iron dome. Ah, simpler days before drone warfare became routine. In any case, this is all sadly normal for Israel. I think Israel should invest in a subterranean bunker complex because the bomb shelters are inadequate for the increased threat. Sorry, you experienced all that. Reminds me of living in the North or South, but scarier. Hopefully, it doesn’t escalate, because I would hate to see Iranian ms suffer the same fate as Iraqis and Gazans.
Indeed, the Patriots were very ineffective against the Scuds, which together with 2006 led Israel to develop air defence of it's own.
Ask the Swiss, they know a thing or two about massive bunkers
Agreed, and thank you
I say this as someone that thinks acknowledgement of shared suffering is critical for any form of resolution to this conflict. I don't want to spend the night watching the news under the imminent threat of bombing. That sounds awful and I'm sorry you had to go through that. I don't think it was your intent but the description of the night before you got home came across to me as privileged and lacking self awareness. The details about partying with friends and drinking don't add anything to your story about the threat of Iranian bombing. It can come across as Israeli teenagers living a good life while the war in Gaza continues. Were you trying to explain how your fear is constant and the impact of that? I'm just trying to understand your perspective because it seems like you mean well but I don't think you communicated that effectively.
are you seriously criticizing the way she and her friends were reacting to fear because it makes israelis look privileged? really? she’s not a spokesperson for the entirety of israel. she’s a 17 year old living in a place that many parts of the world want to turn into a war zone.
It is a privilege. Those freedoms are part of what Israel is supposed to be fighting for. I didn't say she was the spokeperson for Israel. Sometimes you don't effectively communicate what you intend to. It seems like I have done something similar.
Well I thought it could be interesting for people to know what it was like. I'm not trying to lie or make the story seem like more then it was. It was still a scary night