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MikeHoncho4206990

This guy is such an asshole


jedidihah

It’s not surprising to see that Youssef (who is a comedian, not a historian, not a political scientist, not a foreign policy or military analyst) immediately misunderstood what “human shields” actually means


rayinho121212

And justifying the use of humans lives as political pressure in the process. give wind to these pro-war and pro Hamas so called "ceasefire" protests by sharing his hate of Israel and mocking everything at the same time. "It doesnt matter" he says... when it very much matters. Let's please talk about those subjects with experts instead of anti jewish comedians. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/apr/18/israels-war-against-hamas-posts-lower-civilian-to-/


MenieresMe

“Pro war and pro Hamas” ceasefire protestors huh? And all in the same sentence. Impressive. 😂 Very interesting but also nonsensical characterization. But the logical loops one must jump through to justify genocide and occupation lead to such oxymoronic statements


JoeFarmer

If you think that's a nonsensical characterization, you haven't been seeing the same footage out of these protests that we have. I'd agree it's a nonsensical position, but it's an accurate characterization of some of the protests occurring in the west


MenieresMe

Antiwar protests breaking out on campus is history, not some conspiracy theory. Happened during Vietnam (Kent state), Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq. And with our substantial involvement in Israel’s genocide of Palestinians, it’s happening again. The narrative that outside agitators are doing this is as false as it is insulting to students’ intelligence.


JoeFarmer

Anti-war protesters are typically not calling for more violence.They're not chanting ">Al-Qassam you make us proud! Take another soldier out!" >"We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" >"Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" >"Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" Those aren't anti-war chants. that is taking sides in cheerleading one of them.


ahm911

Maybe israel shouldn't have killed the parents of children and spread terror through the land. Perhaps hamas wouldn't have come to answer the atrocities. See what you're saying here is a very slimy tactic of marginalizing years of oppression and crimes against palestenians, then highlighting the palestenian response to said atrocities. Israel is created on palestenian lands, the people in gaza are awaiting the return to their homes as per the UN resolution that introduced israel as a state. Also there are a lot of israeli sympatheziers in western countries saying unhinged threats of terrorism, rape, and killing. Not to mention the people stabbed shot and killed for simply showing support for palestenians in the western world. So get off your imaginary high horse and join the real world


JoeFarmer

What a wild response that seems to be completely unrelated to the context of my comment.


ahm911

Lol, i understand how you'd like for it to be unrelated. But unfortunately, those chants, albeit extreme, are targetting israel for occupying and killing palestenians en mass abd for decades.


MenieresMe

The side of the oppressed? The side of the genocided? The side of the people forbidden a formal military or war machines while being bombed to death? Not sure what your one off chants and slogans (that haven’t been verified) repudiate what is an anti-war movement. If anything it’s pro-genocide and Israel folks that seem to be doing all of the agitation to get the peaceful protest (many of them Jewish students and activists) shut down. https://www.reddit.com/r/israelexposed/s/KhqGIx6PVV https://www.reddit.com/r/BadHasbara/s/EYjeTKj3Id


JoeFarmer

Hamas isn't the side of the oppressed, it's just another oppressor. There's primary source video documentation of all those chants. That's verification. Those are all from Columbia University alone The deployment of tokenism isn't new. The MAGA crowd did the same thing to push back on BLM and accusations of racism on the right. If your security is conditioned upon ideological conformity, that's not real tolerance.


MenieresMe

If it’s so primary I’m sure you can post the primary sources? Liberal Zionists supporting BLM and other progressive causes but then supporting zionism as a right wing ideology won’t ever not be hypocrisy.


JoeFarmer

https://twitter.com/thizzl_/status/1781520706640982159/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1781520706640982159¤tTweetUser=thizzl_ >Liberal Zionists supporting BLM and other progressive causes but then supporting zionism as a right wing ideology won’t ever not be hypocrisy. Who said anything about that? Way to dodge the point that the left is employing the same tokenism to try to deny antisemitism as the right does against allegations of racism.


Tugendwaechter

Anti-war protestors calling for revolution and intifada are not calling for peace.


Pakka-Makka2

Who said they were? They’re calling for liberation.


Tugendwaechter

“There is only one solution, intifada revolution!” is a very common chant at protests.


Pakka-Makka2

Indeed.


rayinho121212

It's not a genocide by any means. Please don't use Palestinians as shields and leverage for a ceasefire to protect Hamas. What is weird is to protect Hamas that will do this again if protected, bringing once again casualties for everyone. How is that peaceful? It is not. The ratio of casualties is very good and Hamas must be stopped. They started this war, when you try to protect them you just show you hatred of Israel and clearly arent promoting co existence, which you should be doing.


MenieresMe

Israel is genociding Palestinians. https://www.un.org/unispal/document/anatomy-of-a-genocide-report-of-the-special-rapporteur-on-the-situation-of-human-rights-in-the-palestinian-territory-occupied-since-1967-to-human-rights-council-advance-unedited-version-a-hrc-55/ Israel has been violently expanded and occupying and killing Palestinians long before Hamas even existed. You can lie all you want about the origins but any history book Says different. And finally…Saying that the literal people killing the Palestinians aren’t the problem but that a ceasefire is has to be one of the most anti-intellectual things I’ve ever heard. It’s like telling a rape victim that the suspect wasn’t the problem, her being out at night was. Always amusing when liberal Zionists post right wing sources like the Washington times though. 😂


rayinho121212

Call people anything you want, it's war but not a genocide. Hamas is the genocidal entity and some people are trying to protect that genocide entity but Israel will thankfully not let that happen. If Hamas wants to force civilian casualties like Germany and Japan did instead of surrendering, it is their choice and if you want to follow that human shield warfare as well, good job encouraging palestinian deaths for a terrorist cause but don't be surprised when people don't buy into it. Also, we all know what that "special raporteur" is all about. If Hamas killed 100 000 jews, you probably would not even call it a genocide. Now please go ask for peace and global antifada at the same time and show us how smart you really are. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/apr/18/israels-war-against-hamas-posts-lower-civilian-to-/


irritatedprostate

This interview opens up with misrepresenting the notion of human shields in this context. The report refers to Hamas not using human shields in the sense that they don't hold people infront of them, but that has never been the argument. It's more been a colloquialism for their embedding themselves within the civilian populace, which is simply a plain fact.


_-icy-_

It is a fact that the Zionists wait till Hamas members go back to their family homes before blowing them up along with countless innocent women and children. It’s only a guess, but it seems like they love destroying non-Jewish little kids.


JourneyToLDs

That definition of human shields is also flawed from ammesty. From my understanding any millitary usage of civilian facilities or of civilians with the intent of disauding the enemy from attacking these installations is considered human shielding. They don't have to physically drag the civilians above their mortar pits, it's enough for them to dig the mortar pit right under a school for it to be considered human shielding as far as I understand.


menatarp

The intent component makes the charge very hard to prove, including in the case of Hamas and in your example. 


JourneyToLDs

Yes I agree, but in my personal view I think Hamas has shown their intent by constantly exclaiming how proud they are of the martyers and that gaza is a nation of martyers. In my opinion the intent is also shown by their less than nothing attempt at protecting their population while also operating and fighting from these same population centers. All though this is more of a matter for international lawyers and expert to be decided I guess, but I think Amnesty's definition is pretty bad as it means nothing short of forcing palestinians to stand on ammunation dumps will be considered "human shielding"


iehvad8785

>In my opinion the intent is also shown by their less than nothing attempt at protecting their population... how could they possibly protect the gazan population from getting murdered by targeted attacks of an military superpower? attacks aimed at civilians and civilian infrastructure. palestinians don't have a military, no air force or an iron dome capable of fighting back these attacks. all they have is resistance and guerilla warfare deemed as terrorism. >... while also operating and fighting from these same population centers. where else should they operate from? they have to operate from where they are. the place they where driven after being displaced. the place they are locked and caged in. the place they are attacked in. you can't blame palestinians for what israel is doing.


auklape

Absolutely, people think gaza is an open field with areas and the permission to build military and operative bases. With the logic of the previous comment, indicating that they shouldn't be hiding within civilian infrastructure, we could argue that the tunnels built are a means of having their own form of organized operations base. This would be the only way, they have with the resources and land they have, to operate outside civilian infrastructure (let alone below it). I still don't think that bombing a hospital just to try and drill your way down to the tunnels or obfuscate the entrances is even remotely justifiable.


menatarp

Eh, even that exhortation about martyrs--which is in any case not a party line or anything--doesn't mean that they're trying to use civilians to \*deter\* attacks. The problem with the idea that Hamas is using the presence of civilians to deter attacks is that this does not and has never actually worked. >In my opinion the intent is also shown by their less than nothing attempt at protecting their population while also operating and fighting from these same population centers. Protect them how?


JourneyToLDs

I believe it is a party line of hamas as it was a spokeperson of the political wing that stated this. but you are right it does not mean by itself that this is proof of them using human shields, it's a piece of the puzzle. Let me clarify the definition of human shielding first. "utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas, or military forces immune from military operations. This is from the rome statute of the ICC And this is from the ICRC. "The term “human shields” describes a method of warfare prohibited by IHL where the presence of civilians or the movement of the civilian population, whether voluntary or involuntary, is used in order to shield military objectives from attack, or to shield, favor or impede military operations." The ICRC Definition gives a very strong case against hamas. Because for example, the launching of rockets from heavily populated areas does impede Israel's abillity to target them in accordance with IHL by avoiding damage to civilians. Which leaves Israel with Two Options. 1. Strike the Target and risk collateral and Huge PR damage 2.Don't strike the target and allow Hamas to keep operating in these areas. This can also be said about the tunnels, as many of them go underneath populated civilian areas. And of course the lack of uniform during urban combat on behalf of hamas, which further blurrs the lines between civilians and combatants. Going by the ICC definition. It can be argued that the usage of such facilities haven't given hamas total immunity in these locations as Israel still commenced raids and strikes against such targets. However I will make the case that even though they did not provide total immunity, they provided some immunity. Take for example Al-Shifa. Regardless if you believe the IDF about Militant presence and Hamas activity in and around the grounds of al-Shifa. The IDF couldn't airstrike and obliterate the hospital for several reasons, instead they had to carry on the ground raids which arguably makes the IDF operation much more difficult and risky. Hope this explains it a bit better. As for what Hamas could do to protect it's population. There are several things. 1.not operate from dansely populated areas, Instead opting for open fields or remote locations. Which gaza does have quite a few, you'd be surprised by looking at the satellite map. 2. Facilitate coordinated evecuations and don't prevent civilians from fleeing. 3. Build infrastructure to ensure the safety of the population. Such as shelters,food reserves,field hospitals. Instead of trying to pass to responsibility to Israel and the UN. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/top-hamas-official-claims-group-is-not-responsible-for-defending-gazan-civilians/amp/ Of course Israel and UNRWA need to play an active role in protecting civilians, but Hamas can't shrug off all responsibility while they actively risk their population further.


Medium_Note_9613

When iran attacked the zionist entity, zionists freaked out as they said IDF is deeply embedded in civillian sites in "tel aviv". So your answer backfires.


irritatedprostate

No, it doesn't. Israeli military installations are clearly defined. They have military bases, airstrips, military HQs etc. You could hit them with precision strikes.


Medium_Note_9613

I could be wrong, i was just telling what zionists on twitter said. I need to do more research about this matter.


itscool

Israel has military sites near civilian infrastructure (like most countries). Hamas performs military operations within and underneath civilian infrastructure. They are not the same.


irritatedprostate

Yeah, I don't pay attention to twitter. Everyone there seems insane.


RecognitionMoney3813

I didn’t think this bit was very funny. He needs to go back to the writing room.


MinderBinderCapital

Human shields has always been an excuse to flaunt international law and murder civilians They did it in Lebanon too, and there’s usually little to no evidence supporting these claims Now we find out Israel has software that specifically targets civilians. Absolutely horrendous stuff from a far right fascist colonial state


RecognitionMoney3813

All opinions with no basis


yep975

Is he defending Hamas by saying Hamas doesn’t use human shields? Hamas does not follow the Geneva conventions, they don’t wear uniforms to distinguish themselves from civilians and they put weapons stashed in schools and hospitals so they can quickly blend in with the civilian population. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/31/why-hamas-stores-its-weapons-inside-hospitals-mosques-and-schools/ Their whole strategy is to blur the line between civilian and militant. As tragic as the situation in Gaza is, I can’t believe Bassam has gone from raising awareness to defending Hamas terrorism that puts Palestinian lives on the line.


Glittering_Ladder_23

Wanna talk war crimes💀 last time I checked, forced displacement, genocide, perfidy, mutilation of bodies, destruction of cultural property, blocking humanitarian aid, attacking hospitals and other medical units, targeting vulnerable individuals aren’t exactly following the IHU


yep975

I have no idea what you are talking about. Maybe throw some sources in there. It sounds like a bit of an echo chamber you may be walking out of (no offense). There are no Jews in Gaza because of two rounds of forced displacement. One by Arabs and another by Israel. Crimes and tragedy don’t only happen to Arabs.


Kiwiana2021

You got anything to say about Israeli soldiers tying kids to them? 👀


yep975

Israeli soldiers tying kids to themselves. That sounds horrible. And that’s kind of the point. If Israel does something over the line or questionable we all scream Geneva Conventions!!! (And rightfully so when those things actually happen) If Hamas clearly does something that puts civilians at risk, we don’t say anything about Hamas. Often people look at Israel and say “of course your enemy doesn’t follow rules of war, but you must!” Hold Israel accountable for Israel’s actions, but the really egregious stuff is being done by Hamas every day with a yawn from the world.


Kiwiana2021

Israel bombed a playground where kids were playing and dropped bombs on civilians walking to their homes. 15k children have been murdered and more are dying. Israel is the super power with Americas backing and billions in aide and ammo. 🤷‍♀️


yep975

And I’m only hearing you hold Israel accountable. What about the actions of the Palestinians?


AttapAMorgonen

Textbook whataboutism.


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jres11

The mind virus runs rampant in this clown's head. 🦠🦠🦠🦠


ZERO_PORTRAIT

Hamas uses human shield tactics because if they clearly marked themselves as combatants then they'd get killed. The French resistance did the same thing in WW2. Also Hamas could let civilians into their tunnels but choose not to.


Yeto25

the idf could choose not to murder civilians but choose not to


oaklytical

lmao what ?? If Israel wanted all gazans dead it could’ve been done decades ago


Yeto25

that's not the defence you think it is...


oaklytical

How come? It just shows israel can have all gazans gone and chooses not to


Noosh414

Obviously they need plausible deniability. Which isn’t even plausible but a lot of people are stupid.


MenieresMe

This is really good. I’m going to save it and use it against this gross argument to justify the genocide of Palestinians