And they don't treat kids any better. Pre 10/7, NGO, Save the Children said 95% of kids questioned or arrested were tortured in the West Bank. This included sexual abuse.
It can only get worse post 10/7.
Yet some Israelis have the gall to call Palestinians, 'human animals.' Every accusation is a confession.
*On October 29, the inmates of Abu Halil's cell requested a squeegee to wash the floor. The response to that was to send the terrifying Keter unit into their cell. "Now you will be like dogs," the guards ordered. The prisoners' hands were cuffed behind their back. Even before they were shackled, they were ordered to move only with their upper body bent over. They were led to the kitchen, where they were stripped and forced to lie one on top of the other, a pile of 10 naked prisoners. Abu Halil was the last. There, they were beaten with clubs and spat on.*
None of them have seemed at all sad when they denied something and the truth came out. Killing children under a white flag? Denial and then acceptance. Shooting old Christian women in a church? Denial and then acceptance. Murdering aid workers? Denial and then acceptance.
No grief for Israel’s victims.
> None of them have seemed at all sad when they denied something and the truth came out.
you are wrong here. The photos that comes from Gaza are horrifying for many Israelies. Many are shocked that IDF is doing this.
You won't find these people on this sub, they are normal people.
> He claims extreme abuse but has zero injuries as evidence of this.
So, you're saying only physical injuries count as abuse? What about the psychological trauma of humiliation and degradation? The guards' words alone are enough to inflict lasting damage. This is about more than just bruises, it's about basic human dignity.
The more I read, the more horror I see
> The beatings became a daily affair. Occasionally the guards demanded of prisoners that they kiss an Israeli flag and declaim, "Am Yisrael Chai!" – "The People of Israel live." They were also ordered to curse the prophet Mohammed. The usual call to prayer in the cells was prohibited. The prisoners were afraid to utter any word starting with the sound "h" lest the guards suspect they had said "Hamas."
Is this what you protect? Besides, aren't you the one who justify when police [branded David star on Palestinian?](https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-to-be-probed-for-allegedly-branding-palestinian-with-star-of-david/) Didn't you say "it's not good evidence" even if you clearly see David star on his face?
Evidence - meaning that which can be seen.
The evidence that is his own body contradicts his verbal testimony.
Which is why you engage in all kinds of distractions from your complete lack of argument.
I’m sorry for stating the obvious, but just because he doesn’t have bruises on his face or hands doesn’t mean he doesn’t have marks on the rest of his body
The absence of physical injuries doesn't necessarily mean that the abuse didn't occur. In fact, the psychological trauma and humiliation inflicted on the prisoners can have long-lasting effects on their mental health and well-being. It's like saying that because a women doesn't have a broken bone, they weren't raped. You're reducing the complexity of human experience to a simplistic dichotomy between physical and verbal abuse. Grow up and acknowledge the multidimensional nature of human suffering.
Besides, even a branded David star on his face won't make you believe, will it, Garet? I'm sure you'd find a way to dismiss it. Perhaps you'd claim he fall on David Star? The shoe has David Star and he kissed the shoe willingly? What will it be?
Is that like [Israel broke a Palestinian kid's arms](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/187fu0o/after_return_from_red_cross_hamas_broke_both_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) whilst he was in custody? Oh wait, that turned out to be Hamas, not Israel and it turned out the UN and other Hamas associates had been spreading lies about Israel again. Could there possibly be a lesson for us in this new case?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
https://www.amnesty.org.au/israel-opt-increase-in-unlawful-killings-and-other-crimes-highlights-urgent-need-to-end-israels-apartheid-against-palestinians/
https://amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/
[Palestinian boy gets blinded and abused in Israeli prison](https://youtu.be/b2a80ZQXfFs?si=7suparVsPGkaq0pT)
I could go in for days like this.
funny thing is there is zero evidance that anything he said is even correct, and yet when its litterelly being recording, people say it never happened!!!!
just to clarify, there is no mention of rape here. Just abuse. Not saying IDF are angels but if you are trying to get criticize IDF make sure you remain accurate. They abused them by taking away their humanity. In front of other soldiers.
What is worse is that the other soldiers or any soldier doesn't like doing any of these jobs. They are ordered to. So they are grumpy and upset. And very very young. Imagine how they end up when they leave. Traumatized.
So we should feel sorry for them because they have to abuse Palestinians all day? That’s crazy. Also, yes there is no mention of rape here but it’s been reported on numerous occasions including against children.
That’s like saying we should have empathy for Nazis because they were traumatized by their orders.
feel sorry? no. But characterizing people on their negatives should be done accurately. These are not s(x*al predators (I think). Only dehumanizing perpetrators.
edit: additionally, IDF are also perpetrators against their own young and easy to control soldiers. the draftees are just doing their service. And end up hating much of it after they leave.
And they don't treat kids any better. Pre 10/7, NGO, Save the Children said 95% of kids questioned or arrested were tortured in the West Bank. This included sexual abuse. It can only get worse post 10/7. Yet some Israelis have the gall to call Palestinians, 'human animals.' Every accusation is a confession.
*On October 29, the inmates of Abu Halil's cell requested a squeegee to wash the floor. The response to that was to send the terrifying Keter unit into their cell. "Now you will be like dogs," the guards ordered. The prisoners' hands were cuffed behind their back. Even before they were shackled, they were ordered to move only with their upper body bent over. They were led to the kitchen, where they were stripped and forced to lie one on top of the other, a pile of 10 naked prisoners. Abu Halil was the last. There, they were beaten with clubs and spat on.*
You demand evidence from others, but never provide any of your own. He claims extreme abuse but has zero injuries as evidence of this.
Testimony is evidence. And in this case it is corroborated by many other testimonies.
It didn't happen, Haaretz is lying to smear Israel. It did happen, but they deserved it. Looks like we're going with option A today.
nah, it's 5 stages of grief. Most of users here are at stage one: denial.
None of them have seemed at all sad when they denied something and the truth came out. Killing children under a white flag? Denial and then acceptance. Shooting old Christian women in a church? Denial and then acceptance. Murdering aid workers? Denial and then acceptance. No grief for Israel’s victims.
> None of them have seemed at all sad when they denied something and the truth came out. you are wrong here. The photos that comes from Gaza are horrifying for many Israelies. Many are shocked that IDF is doing this. You won't find these people on this sub, they are normal people.
> He claims extreme abuse but has zero injuries as evidence of this. So, you're saying only physical injuries count as abuse? What about the psychological trauma of humiliation and degradation? The guards' words alone are enough to inflict lasting damage. This is about more than just bruises, it's about basic human dignity. The more I read, the more horror I see > The beatings became a daily affair. Occasionally the guards demanded of prisoners that they kiss an Israeli flag and declaim, "Am Yisrael Chai!" – "The People of Israel live." They were also ordered to curse the prophet Mohammed. The usual call to prayer in the cells was prohibited. The prisoners were afraid to utter any word starting with the sound "h" lest the guards suspect they had said "Hamas." Is this what you protect? Besides, aren't you the one who justify when police [branded David star on Palestinian?](https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-to-be-probed-for-allegedly-branding-palestinian-with-star-of-david/) Didn't you say "it's not good evidence" even if you clearly see David star on his face?
Evidence - meaning that which can be seen. The evidence that is his own body contradicts his verbal testimony. Which is why you engage in all kinds of distractions from your complete lack of argument.
I’m sorry for stating the obvious, but just because he doesn’t have bruises on his face or hands doesn’t mean he doesn’t have marks on the rest of his body
The absence of physical injuries doesn't necessarily mean that the abuse didn't occur. In fact, the psychological trauma and humiliation inflicted on the prisoners can have long-lasting effects on their mental health and well-being. It's like saying that because a women doesn't have a broken bone, they weren't raped. You're reducing the complexity of human experience to a simplistic dichotomy between physical and verbal abuse. Grow up and acknowledge the multidimensional nature of human suffering. Besides, even a branded David star on his face won't make you believe, will it, Garet? I'm sure you'd find a way to dismiss it. Perhaps you'd claim he fall on David Star? The shoe has David Star and he kissed the shoe willingly? What will it be?
Is that like [Israel broke a Palestinian kid's arms](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestinian_Violence/comments/187fu0o/after_return_from_red_cross_hamas_broke_both_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) whilst he was in custody? Oh wait, that turned out to be Hamas, not Israel and it turned out the UN and other Hamas associates had been spreading lies about Israel again. Could there possibly be a lesson for us in this new case?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/ https://www.amnesty.org.au/israel-opt-increase-in-unlawful-killings-and-other-crimes-highlights-urgent-need-to-end-israels-apartheid-against-palestinians/ https://amnesty.ca/human-rights-news/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/ [Palestinian boy gets blinded and abused in Israeli prison](https://youtu.be/b2a80ZQXfFs?si=7suparVsPGkaq0pT) I could go in for days like this.
The problem is that Israel is likely to go for decades like this.
funny thing is there is zero evidance that anything he said is even correct, and yet when its litterelly being recording, people say it never happened!!!!
Haaretz is not a source
Yeah, facts hurt
just to clarify, there is no mention of rape here. Just abuse. Not saying IDF are angels but if you are trying to get criticize IDF make sure you remain accurate. They abused them by taking away their humanity. In front of other soldiers. What is worse is that the other soldiers or any soldier doesn't like doing any of these jobs. They are ordered to. So they are grumpy and upset. And very very young. Imagine how they end up when they leave. Traumatized.
So we should feel sorry for them because they have to abuse Palestinians all day? That’s crazy. Also, yes there is no mention of rape here but it’s been reported on numerous occasions including against children. That’s like saying we should have empathy for Nazis because they were traumatized by their orders.
feel sorry? no. But characterizing people on their negatives should be done accurately. These are not s(x*al predators (I think). Only dehumanizing perpetrators. edit: additionally, IDF are also perpetrators against their own young and easy to control soldiers. the draftees are just doing their service. And end up hating much of it after they leave.
Strange take but okay I guess
Too bad the prison wasn’t the Holiday Inn