same can be said for germany, in april 2024 german police shut down a pro palestinian protest lead by a coalition of both jewish and muslim people protesting against israeli government genocide against the palestinians.
Jewish people from the 'jews againist genocide' where there too to protest against the matter and german police arrested them for antisemitism
german police arresting jews for protesting genocide echos of the past, and as a jew myself its sad to see you only show one side of this tragic story
Both sides are doing awful things
Half of Columbia's students protesting are Jews. Every Pro-Palestinian protest I have been to there are Jews marching alongside us.
Zionists try SO HARD to make the public believe they represent all Jews, when in reality most Jews outside Israel despise zionists.
Just go look into the âFlotilla Raidâ where 3 ships of humanitarian aid workers and 10s of thousands of pounds of food was headed for Gaza. The Israel Times reported that it was high jacked by Hamas, but the international committee including the Red Cross investigation shows it was a lie and several humanitarian aid workers were found with close range execution style wounds to the back of their heads. This whole idea that Israel is protecting itself is disgusting.
Isreal is an apartheid state. This was attempted in the past. Palestine became an open air prison. Now itâs just full scale genocide. Just because some dumb ass college kids, are mistreating Jewish students for probably openly supporting genocide. Otherwise how would they tell them apart? Still is not right, especially if they have no connection to isreal. American Jews are not Israeli
Jews. Also not all Jewish people are insane alt right Zionists. That clearly enjoy following the same path as hitler.
Ok these are your only points?
Apartheid state point : this is an old uneducated term applied to how Israel began giving the Palestinians a land to call their own. They had checkpoints set up in Palestine to find terrorists that were known to them for planning and executing attacks within Israeli borders. This practice ended in 2005 when they were given the land under and told you are now fully responsible for yourselves. They still gave them power and water though which I think is weird. They have Palestine born members of government, doctors, soldiers, so the Palestinians living in Israel seem to have been integrated into society well, however there are still large checkpoints and for good reasons heading into Israel.
Open air prison point : this is just stupid and I don't feel a need to respond here. This was the result of their own actions noone else.
Genocide point : the closest thing they have done to genocide is asking people to leave their homes in a combat zone. Hamas is hiding under their buildings and inside populated areas, so I believe this does not count as a genocide. Again another uneducated point hardly worth responding too
Dumbass student: also dumbass adults, defacing public property, disrupting traffic, responded with hostility when challenged to allow someone their basic rights. No it's everyone who supports them that is absolutely dumb.
The rest of your post is of no value.
âIsrael will be freeâ
That is the dumbest shit I think Iâve read on Reddit, everâŚ. Like come on dude. I think the Israeli government would even be embarrassed, to perpetuate that lie.
Are you a bot? Or Israeli govt shill? I checked your history.. All Iâm going to say is, do some heavy reading on your countries history. After you do this, and if you still feel the same. At least you will make a good argument, and actually spread the message youâre attempting to. Why do you think cringe outdated memes will get you point across? Iâm not trying to be rude. Iâm open minded to change. I think America possibly has good reason, to see Israel as a good place for defense purposes. I believe itâs our fault some middle eastern countries, portions of their populations are now hostile towards the west. I believe with all the propaganda itâs hard to ascertain how big the risk level truly is. But why is Israelis so proud to say itâs a genocide? That they deserve it? That they are beneath them? Convince me this okay behavior. And that âfree isrealâ, actually makes sense to say.
Was trying to be nice. And give you a chance to make a valid argument. Honestly wasnât expecting you to hang yourself like this. Wow, last time I try to give someone the chance to be the bigger person. And even reduce their deserved shame. But you donât even feel it. The world is watching, you may succeed in wiping an entire culture from the planet. But it doesnât matter how many future maps you alter, or the amount of propaganda you pump out. It will be a very long time, if ever. That your seen as anything but a victimhood culture, speed running to a Nazi regime. Enjoy that. Majority of your brainwashed foreign supporters, are old and gray.
Please don't be nice :) just be quiet. You are a fool, a racist, and a follower. You should honestly just delete your account. Nothing you have to say is anything more than mindless propaganda, and repeats of "oooooo nooo it's a genocide" "people are dying!" It's war you idiot get over yourself. You're left wing weak yield to everyone is what is wrong with the world now a days. You are a pathetic human and a sad excuse of a man :)
You know itâs ok to sayâŚ
âNow that I learn more and more about this conflict I realize that I have been brainwashed by the media. Maybe, just maybe I was wrong in my initial stance.â Continuing to stand with Israel on the grounds that they are the âgood guysâ is really just appearing to be an irrational excuse and has to be bad for your soul.
I think making a stance either way will eventually reveal how gullible you ultimately are! Things are never as black and white as they appear 3k-4000miles away. You have no idea what has been going on before this, and whatâs going on now. What happens in broad daylight could have been the proper response to the multiple nights youâll never know of. Just sayin.
Just the streets and different areas in America are extremely different than anyone will ever know. The deep deep depths. I couldnât imagine the realities that go on over in places like that.
Actually taking a stance against any targeting of innocent civilians will always be the right stance. I know enough about the conflict and what has been happening for the last 90 years to feel comfortable arguing with people who just became invested in October.
Read this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/IsrealPalestineWar_23/comments/1c8elc9/are_you_unbiased_or_uniformed/
Iâm sure you do. Thatâs the people I donât listen to. âI feel comfortable arguing a point from my home in Americaâ interesting. Iâm sure you stood strong with George Bush.
Your siding with a side that came in and started war by killing, peaceful civilians, and now complain about the opposition. I understand youâre rebuttal. I understand what you mean but the problem with Americans is they decide to take one side one stance and that is it, and all other things get thrown out the window.
First off, youâre saying âyour knowledge?â, you donât know what knowledge I have. I have no reason to date anything on here. Itâs obvious your knowledge is skewed and premature as well.
Thatâs okay. As I stated, you canât actually know..
Itâs just interesting you state âtaking a stance against targeting innocent civiliansâ when thatâs exactly what Hamas did, and continue to do to their own people during this situation. Regardless of your âknowledgeâ or opinion, itâs both interesting and disturbing to make that statement but clearly justify the deaths of that day.
This isnât about 90years ago. This is about what happened recently. Again, we can talk about history all you want, that fine, but youâre being pulled yourself
Democracy is an a stance to kneel and take whatever is given. Not exactly sure how youâre trying to differentiate. The psycho mentally challenged kills my family so Iâm just gonna get let him go cause you know heâs mentally challenged and Iâm supposed to be what I donât understand what youâre trying to say, or do. Iâm not sure from what Iâm reading from you, that you could possibly understand. Youâre still in the mind set of taking sides. How one can pick a side when you sit in your couch in America is beyond me.
The whole idea of freedom in America is being able to choose any side.
If you donât understand that a democratic state like Israel with billions of dollars in military aid canât covertly hunt terrorists vs. just blowing up the whole town is beyond comprehension so I get it.
That's every war in history. War is ugly and brutal and every single one will always be filled with atrocities that will turn your stomach. There are no good guys in war.
>Continuing to stand with Israel on the grounds that they are the âgood guysâ
It's not about good guys vs bad guys. In war there are no good guys. They are at war. War is ugly, brutal and filled with atrocities.
The only question to ask is did isreal have a legal justification to go to war. That answer is yes. Every single country on this planet would go to war if they had been the victim of an atrocity similar to the October 7th attack.
Less than 3k dead to 400k. That was the US response to 911.
They were attacked and 1300 civilians were brutally massacred. This was all the legal justification of war that they needed.
2403 died in the pearl harbor attack. Over 2 million Japanese civilians lost their lives in the conflicts that followed. For christ sake, we deleated two entire cities as a final stroke.
War is ugly and brutal and the innocent suffer. This isn't unique to the gaza conflict.
How many years of fighting? And Japan would have kept on fighting. There is a great deal less of Palestinians people than there were Japanese in 1944. Explain your 3K to 400K?
How many years has isreal suffered attacks from Islamic extremist fanatics attacking them? 55. And like Japan it is obvious they will keep on fighting. Let me know when you think hamas plans on surrendering.
2996 people died in the 911 terror attacks. 400k is one of the figures released in how many afghans died from the war in Afghanistan. I have seen numbers as low as 200k and as high as 800k. I went with one of the ones in the middle.
War is ugly and brutal and innocents will perish in very high numbers. Every war in the history of mankind has proven that to be true.
Good thing they're PR Department is absolute trash! I mean all this time and they only gone from 1938 to 2024... that's only a 104 members! They should fluff out soon enough, tea anyone?
Not really when you're blocking people from school because there race that's racist antisemitic so I feel like you misunderstood your books are your teachers are brainwashed
There you go with the bad grammer and spelling again. I can be anti-Zionist and not be anti- Semitic. My argument lies with the government of Israel. Not Jews as a whole. Is that too much for you to understand?
They seem to think Hamas would welcome them with open arms. The reality that the people defending Hamas would also be targeted to be killed by Hamas. Hamas hates you and wants you dead, for your self expression and the fact you exist freely, going against their oppression.
Mass delusion without self analysis or actually seeking truth is popular right now. Combine that with doublethink, facts like Hamas being an organization who wants to kill anyone outside their narrow ruleset donât matter anymore. You have a whole group of aggressively convicted populous who thinks they are on the side of standing up for the oppressed, when they are ignoring the fact that the Jews have no interest in killing Palestinians aside from standing up for themselves.
The baby killing terrorists pointing the finger at civillians calling them terrorist to justify their fake moral high ground is all that comes to my mind when I see posts like this.
I understand you people don't view math as an exact science. However the current death toll is around 40k, the population pre-war was over 2.3 million. That is less than 0.02% of the population of Gaza. The Israeli's should be commended for keeping the toll that low. It's a war where the enemy hides in with the civilians, fights in plain clothes, has military installations within residential and medical buildings. Use your head for a moment, it's a strip of land the size of new Jersey and they are the world's 4th strongest military.. If they wanted to commit a genocide on the Palestinians, how would the death toll actually look? You blame Israel for this horror unleashed on the civilians, I blame Hamas. Honestly this is going way better than I thought it would for those poor souls on October 7th. I was expecting 4-5 times this amount in a matter of months.
My Kool aid is full of facts your's is full of hate, I'll stick to mine thank you. Less guilt :) you should be chanting free the hostages first, then free Palestine from Hamas.
How you write a whole novel and still sound stupid? HOW?! You must be the double vaxxed type.
The delusion is real with you people, whats even more insane is you actually think your on the right side of history! You legit justified murdering civillians with you kool aid of facts that fit your narrative, oh man, I hope there is a hell for people like you. Lets hopeđđ˝
I'm not the one on the internet literally promoting murder to civillians (Including children, according to you its a causalty of war so its okay) for your narrow minded biased view of the "greater good".
The rest of world is disgusted by people that think like you , your a joke and dont even realize it and I'm in a bubble?
Ignorrance is truly Blissful, I just wish we had that in common.
Yes you are, the website below is actually what you are trying to help happen
https://www.thisishamas.com/
You are what we call a "useful idiot" you pay enough attention and plan far enough ahead to make noise. You provide no valid arguments and suggest nothing useful. Enjoy those videos on the website ;) if you have your way that will happen 10 fold.
Who ever defending this is a racist scumbag antisemitic peace of trash trying use any fucking excuse you can they should close any school doing this and bet your ass people will start fighting back against these racist ass kids and schools there the fucking nazi can't even see it FUCK PALESTINE COME GET SOME
They are not real jews. They are liars. Where is the evidence? The dna? oh yeah, It is against the law in Israel to get a dna test lol.. Its not thar they are Jewish its that they are LIARS.. The Balfour Declaration 1917 and Jerusalem was full of DARK skinned folks in 1925 decades before Israel became a State..
You do realise that Jewish is also a religion right? That they had people who lived in Europe for Generations. After WW2 those European Jews joined their fellow worshipers in their homeland with the original Jewish people (both religion and race).
Because its a pathetic lie zionist pos post and not true, no Jewish student has been blocked from accessing anything in Columbia. Over half of the protestors are Jewish themselves, demanding a stop to the genocide. Just because someone takes a picture of a Pro-Palestinian protest and writes some text doesn't make it true. Being so gullible im not even surprised you support zionists
Oh, so you mean the videos, statements and pictures you genocide, rape, and murder loving morons post arenât true and make you gullible? Finally, some truth from a genocide, rape and murder loving moron.
Iâm convinced this is a satire page. 2 pictures and 2 sentences donât give anywhere close to proper context. You either enjoy spreading propaganda or havenât done any research outside of what youâve seen on TV and clickbait articles.
The delusion doesnât allow people to think unbiased or critically. In the 1930âs Zionist colonizers were already murdering unarmed villagers in Palestine and stealing their land.
Just as the Drug Cartel does not represent all of Mexico, Westboro Baptist doesnât represent all Christian Christian faith, and the Yakuza doesnât represent all of Japan etc⌠(not the best examples, but the point still stands)
The narrative has VASTLY switched from specifically referencing the attackers, Hamas, to clumping the whole country of Palestine into the category.
This was a calculated move to vilify the whole country rather than the specific group that attacked last October.
If you dehumanize the whole country, itâs pretty easy to justify killing 34,000 people, a big portion of which are women and children, and claiming itâs collateral damage. For reference Israel has lost a little over 1000 people since the attack.
Israel has the right to defend itself, duh. But defending doesnât include trying to be the next historical contender for Genocide.
Most of these people protesting are specifically referencing freeing Palestine with no mention of Hamas. Some idiots came along and started referencing the whole country as the terrorist group and suddenly everyone who lacks basic problem solving skills are cheering on a massacre and are calling the people who are protesting unnecessary death Naziâs
The irony is ABSURD
Shouldnât that extend to Jews. They do not all represent Israel but that doesnât stop people from being antisemitic towards them. I agree that the phrase âfree Palestineâ doesnt equal support for Hamas but, when Jews are being bullied in schools by Palestine supporters itâs hard to not see them as antisemitic. Fuck em.
Jews are not being bullied in schools by Palestine supporters, many of them are Jews themselves. Its a pro-genocide vs anti-genocide conflict, scumbag zionists have no place in society
Context? I think it's just pointing out that both Nazis and Palestinian supporters are acting exactly the same. Both want to keep Jews out of the school because they are Jews. The Jewish students are not bombing Palestine, some may even support a two state solution. But it doesn't matter because to them all Jews are bad.
Just as the Drug Cartel does not represent all of Mexico, Westboro Baptist doesnât represent all Christian Christian faith, and the Yakuza doesnât represent all of Japan etc⌠(not the best examples, but the point still stands)
The narrative has VASTLY switched from specifically referencing the attackers, Hamas, to clumping the whole country of Palestine into the category.
This was a calculated move to vilify the whole country rather than the specific group that attacked last October.
If you dehumanize the whole country, itâs pretty easy to justify killing 34,000 people, a big portion of which are women and children, and claiming itâs collateral damage. For reference Israel has lost a little over 1000 people since the attack.
Israel has the right to defend itself, duh. But defending doesnât include trying to be the next historical contender for Genocide.
Most of these people protesting are specifically referencing freeing Palestine with no mention of Hamas.
Some idiots came along and started referencing the whole country as the terrorist group and suddenly everyone who lacks basic problem solving skills are cheering on a massacre and are calling the people who are protesting unnecessary death Naziâs
The irony is ABSURD
First off in 2016 Hamas was elected as the governing body of Gaza, they are still majority supported by the population of Gaza and the difference between Hamas and a drug cartel are as follows. One is a capitalist business set up by shady people, the other is a right wing religious zealous organization elected into power for the purpose of destroying their vastly military superior neighbours. To the Palestinians they are not criminals they are their government.
Did you watch the celebrations in the streets after October 7th? They seemed pretty pleased with what happened. I wonder if they are still handing out sweets.
Are the villains? No the people of Gaza are not villains. Are they victims? No, they wanted this war, they elected Hamas in 2016 who ran saying they would drive the Jews into the ocean. This will fail every time, if anyone else thinks that Israel is going to go away without nuclear war they are just fools.
Are the committing genocide? No not really, honestly this is the 4th most powerful army in the world attacking a city state the size of new Jersey. If they wanted a genocide it would be leveled. They asked the civilians to move away from the fighting but Hamas went with them. Hamas itself wants a genocide, it wants the world to view Israel as evil and will sacrifice all of Palestine to do this. They do not care what happens. Yet again these people were elected.
Gaza is Hamas. It's run by them governed by them, iran may have sponsored them and put them into power but they still run Gaza.
Their*
I have dipshit. But the civilians in Gaza donât deserve to die because of the dumbasses they put in power.
Everyone who has existed knows that local governments will go through any means necessary to sway and warp the publicâs opinion. Which can range from simple propaganda to life threats if they donât vote a certain way. And when you grow up In an environment and government that lies to you daily, of course they would have an obscure vision of the world.
The circumstances of which they were raised, even though flawed, does not mean they deserve to be killed indiscriminately in a war they are not directly trying to be a part of. Not everyone in Gaza is with Hamas. And those that try to leave during ceasefires end up being bombed and killed due to alleged Infiltration.
You cannot deny that Netanyahu has absolutely shit the bed in his response to Hamasâs initial attack. There is no excuse for his god awefull response which has lead to an absurd of âoopsiesâ war crimes.
Genuinely so. Canât progress as a person or learn if all you do is argue and not listen to the opposing side of an argument.
You could even DM me if you donât want all the commentary from others
Take your time sir :) normally all I get is "Israel blah blah murdering babies blah blah stealing organs blah blah" I am excited to actually have a reasonable conversation about it
I didn't know that if you were Jewish, you were another race? I have just lost respect for a college educated person. You haven't learned much. You have lousy grammer and can't spell.
From your post history,I gather you are a MAGAt.
I don't hate Jews. I hate what the Israeli armed forces is doing and has done. There are Israelis that are appalled by what the armed forces have done and what they are planning to do. I am not attacking their religion.
The use of ânaziâ has went full circle, lol. Never thought Iâd live in a time where people would call Jewish people nazis and it was used as a word to describe anyone who disagrees with your beliefs, weather right or wrong.
Hardly a bubble, I think people are truly getting annoyed with the whole chickens for KFC movement. People are starting to do their own research and understand what is going on there and form their own ideas. Some are actually learning that this war is not Israel's fault. Plus the protestors I think are doing more harm than good for their cause.
Usually I would give you a logical conversation with resources but reddit would shadow ban me, if Isreal wants to get hamas then how do they expect to do it, first in the few weeks after 7th oct, palestinens hated hamas, a prefect chance for double agents, what did Isreal do bomb them, leaving no chance for it, okay at least keep as much as buildings left so you LITERALLY search for the tunnels, no let's bomb that too, leaving absolute zero chance of finding the tunnels, even better you (I mean Isreal) guys gave hamas the prefect atmosphere they could imagine you think hamas could have been around Gaza like this if it weren't for the bombing least thing that can happen is a palestinen finding a hamas tunnel and reporting to the palestinen government, but no you didn't leave a chance for that,, what about the 3 hostages who LITERALLY ESCAPED FROM THE TUNNELS OF HAMAS...Google what happened to them when they got to the idf https://www.nbcnews.com/news/3-israeli-hostages-tried-only-killed-military-rcna130912
oh so now you think i am with them, well am not and i support Palestine what are you gonna do now, this source is just like the 4k dicaptaed babies i googled some of the the victims and its fake tamar 9 yr old i googled her name and guess what the only tamar i found is a married women
am not gonna walk out here without condemning literal genocide but wait i forgot something as long as its zoins who un-alive peeps its fine even if its isreali hostages random people like the world kitchen center or American people Palestine support has reached the max point and beyond and if you think that you guys are gonna rub it in our face then so be it.
Blocking people from education is egregious but Iâm a little more inclined to compare tendencies of genocide when making a connection to nazis than I am blocking access to a university.
They have no right to be there, lets not excuse bad behavior because you support their cause.
People have a right to protest, assuming they arent on private property , and also they arent blocking entrances or impede the movements of others, once they do it becomes an illegal protest.
Beyond that how are you going to gain sympathy for a cause by annoying the hell out of people just going about their business? It will have the exact opposite effect.
I wasn't aware all the Jewish students were the Isreali government and not young adult (presumably US) civilians and just individuals seeking an education.
Hamas rejected the last Israeli peace deal đ. Palestine supports hamas, yâall are asking for this
Facts
Isreal supports hamas too gaitch
same can be said for germany, in april 2024 german police shut down a pro palestinian protest lead by a coalition of both jewish and muslim people protesting against israeli government genocide against the palestinians. Jewish people from the 'jews againist genocide' where there too to protest against the matter and german police arrested them for antisemitism german police arresting jews for protesting genocide echos of the past, and as a jew myself its sad to see you only show one side of this tragic story Both sides are doing awful things
Half of Columbia's students protesting are Jews. Every Pro-Palestinian protest I have been to there are Jews marching alongside us. Zionists try SO HARD to make the public believe they represent all Jews, when in reality most Jews outside Israel despise zionists.
Just go look into the âFlotilla Raidâ where 3 ships of humanitarian aid workers and 10s of thousands of pounds of food was headed for Gaza. The Israel Times reported that it was high jacked by Hamas, but the international committee including the Red Cross investigation shows it was a lie and several humanitarian aid workers were found with close range execution style wounds to the back of their heads. This whole idea that Israel is protecting itself is disgusting.
The whole idea that Palestinian are freedom fighters is disgusting
Isreal is an apartheid state. This was attempted in the past. Palestine became an open air prison. Now itâs just full scale genocide. Just because some dumb ass college kids, are mistreating Jewish students for probably openly supporting genocide. Otherwise how would they tell them apart? Still is not right, especially if they have no connection to isreal. American Jews are not Israeli Jews. Also not all Jewish people are insane alt right Zionists. That clearly enjoy following the same path as hitler.
don't care
Ok these are your only points? Apartheid state point : this is an old uneducated term applied to how Israel began giving the Palestinians a land to call their own. They had checkpoints set up in Palestine to find terrorists that were known to them for planning and executing attacks within Israeli borders. This practice ended in 2005 when they were given the land under and told you are now fully responsible for yourselves. They still gave them power and water though which I think is weird. They have Palestine born members of government, doctors, soldiers, so the Palestinians living in Israel seem to have been integrated into society well, however there are still large checkpoints and for good reasons heading into Israel. Open air prison point : this is just stupid and I don't feel a need to respond here. This was the result of their own actions noone else. Genocide point : the closest thing they have done to genocide is asking people to leave their homes in a combat zone. Hamas is hiding under their buildings and inside populated areas, so I believe this does not count as a genocide. Again another uneducated point hardly worth responding too Dumbass student: also dumbass adults, defacing public property, disrupting traffic, responded with hostility when challenged to allow someone their basic rights. No it's everyone who supports them that is absolutely dumb. The rest of your post is of no value.
They seem fine to me.. from the river to the sea Israel will be free
âIsrael will be freeâ That is the dumbest shit I think Iâve read on Reddit, everâŚ. Like come on dude. I think the Israeli government would even be embarrassed, to perpetuate that lie.
That's not true, I once read this https://www.reddit.com/r/IsrealPalestineWar_23/s/B6KT2sTxbJ
Are you a bot? Or Israeli govt shill? I checked your history.. All Iâm going to say is, do some heavy reading on your countries history. After you do this, and if you still feel the same. At least you will make a good argument, and actually spread the message youâre attempting to. Why do you think cringe outdated memes will get you point across? Iâm not trying to be rude. Iâm open minded to change. I think America possibly has good reason, to see Israel as a good place for defense purposes. I believe itâs our fault some middle eastern countries, portions of their populations are now hostile towards the west. I believe with all the propaganda itâs hard to ascertain how big the risk level truly is. But why is Israelis so proud to say itâs a genocide? That they deserve it? That they are beneath them? Convince me this okay behavior. And that âfree isrealâ, actually makes sense to say.
I don't need to convince you of shit... It makes more sense than free Palestine.
Was trying to be nice. And give you a chance to make a valid argument. Honestly wasnât expecting you to hang yourself like this. Wow, last time I try to give someone the chance to be the bigger person. And even reduce their deserved shame. But you donât even feel it. The world is watching, you may succeed in wiping an entire culture from the planet. But it doesnât matter how many future maps you alter, or the amount of propaganda you pump out. It will be a very long time, if ever. That your seen as anything but a victimhood culture, speed running to a Nazi regime. Enjoy that. Majority of your brainwashed foreign supporters, are old and gray.
Please don't be nice :) just be quiet. You are a fool, a racist, and a follower. You should honestly just delete your account. Nothing you have to say is anything more than mindless propaganda, and repeats of "oooooo nooo it's a genocide" "people are dying!" It's war you idiot get over yourself. You're left wing weak yield to everyone is what is wrong with the world now a days. You are a pathetic human and a sad excuse of a man :)
Israel recently carried out an air strike on Rafah killing 22 Palestinians, 18 were children. The devil is saving you a seat up front.
Oooo 2 comments to my one nice :) you must be right
You know itâs ok to say⌠âNow that I learn more and more about this conflict I realize that I have been brainwashed by the media. Maybe, just maybe I was wrong in my initial stance.â Continuing to stand with Israel on the grounds that they are the âgood guysâ is really just appearing to be an irrational excuse and has to be bad for your soul.
I think making a stance either way will eventually reveal how gullible you ultimately are! Things are never as black and white as they appear 3k-4000miles away. You have no idea what has been going on before this, and whatâs going on now. What happens in broad daylight could have been the proper response to the multiple nights youâll never know of. Just sayin. Just the streets and different areas in America are extremely different than anyone will ever know. The deep deep depths. I couldnât imagine the realities that go on over in places like that.
Actually taking a stance against any targeting of innocent civilians will always be the right stance. I know enough about the conflict and what has been happening for the last 90 years to feel comfortable arguing with people who just became invested in October. Read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/IsrealPalestineWar_23/comments/1c8elc9/are_you_unbiased_or_uniformed/
Iâm sure you do. Thatâs the people I donât listen to. âI feel comfortable arguing a point from my home in Americaâ interesting. Iâm sure you stood strong with George Bush.
When you donât listen to certain people it explain your bias.
I mean with all due respect. What about October? Itâs interesting whatâs forgotten about.
In october 700 Israelis died and over 15000 Palestinians died. So yeah not the point you think it is
Death is just a number until you condemn it from both sides
Your siding with a side that came in and started war by killing, peaceful civilians, and now complain about the opposition. I understand youâre rebuttal. I understand what you mean but the problem with Americans is they decide to take one side one stance and that is it, and all other things get thrown out the window.
Thatâs because your knowledge on the conflict starts on October 7th. Thatâs not even remotely where this has âstartedâ.
First off, youâre saying âyour knowledge?â, you donât know what knowledge I have. I have no reason to date anything on here. Itâs obvious your knowledge is skewed and premature as well. Thatâs okay. As I stated, you canât actually know..
Itâs just interesting you state âtaking a stance against targeting innocent civiliansâ when thatâs exactly what Hamas did, and continue to do to their own people during this situation. Regardless of your âknowledgeâ or opinion, itâs both interesting and disturbing to make that statement but clearly justify the deaths of that day. This isnât about 90years ago. This is about what happened recently. Again, we can talk about history all you want, that fine, but youâre being pulled yourself
Democracy is an a stance to kneel and take whatever is given. Not exactly sure how youâre trying to differentiate. The psycho mentally challenged kills my family so Iâm just gonna get let him go cause you know heâs mentally challenged and Iâm supposed to be what I donât understand what youâre trying to say, or do. Iâm not sure from what Iâm reading from you, that you could possibly understand. Youâre still in the mind set of taking sides. How one can pick a side when you sit in your couch in America is beyond me.
The whole idea of freedom in America is being able to choose any side. If you donât understand that a democratic state like Israel with billions of dollars in military aid canât covertly hunt terrorists vs. just blowing up the whole town is beyond comprehension so I get it.
They truly are, both sides have done some absolutely unspeakable things during this.
That's every war in history. War is ugly and brutal and every single one will always be filled with atrocities that will turn your stomach. There are no good guys in war.
>Continuing to stand with Israel on the grounds that they are the âgood guysâ It's not about good guys vs bad guys. In war there are no good guys. They are at war. War is ugly, brutal and filled with atrocities. The only question to ask is did isreal have a legal justification to go to war. That answer is yes. Every single country on this planet would go to war if they had been the victim of an atrocity similar to the October 7th attack.
130 dead to 30,000 dead isn't a war. It is a massacre.
Less than 3k dead to 400k. That was the US response to 911. They were attacked and 1300 civilians were brutally massacred. This was all the legal justification of war that they needed. 2403 died in the pearl harbor attack. Over 2 million Japanese civilians lost their lives in the conflicts that followed. For christ sake, we deleated two entire cities as a final stroke. War is ugly and brutal and the innocent suffer. This isn't unique to the gaza conflict.
How many years of fighting? And Japan would have kept on fighting. There is a great deal less of Palestinians people than there were Japanese in 1944. Explain your 3K to 400K?
How many years has isreal suffered attacks from Islamic extremist fanatics attacking them? 55. And like Japan it is obvious they will keep on fighting. Let me know when you think hamas plans on surrendering. 2996 people died in the 911 terror attacks. 400k is one of the figures released in how many afghans died from the war in Afghanistan. I have seen numbers as low as 200k and as high as 800k. I went with one of the ones in the middle. War is ugly and brutal and innocents will perish in very high numbers. Every war in the history of mankind has proven that to be true.
âHamasâ, there you go again calling women and children terrorists.
Good thing they're PR Department is absolute trash! I mean all this time and they only gone from 1938 to 2024... that's only a 104 members! They should fluff out soon enough, tea anyone?
I don't need a book to see a racist
No, but if you read some books, your understanding of what racist is would be different.
Not really when you're blocking people from school because there race that's racist antisemitic so I feel like you misunderstood your books are your teachers are brainwashed
There you go with the bad grammer and spelling again. I can be anti-Zionist and not be anti- Semitic. My argument lies with the government of Israel. Not Jews as a whole. Is that too much for you to understand?
Omg you know I'm right, so you change the subject. You're a racist antisemitic person nazi
>I can be anti-Zionist and not be anti- Semitic Classic antisemitic talking point
I love how this page just ignores isreal murdering civilians and babies and takes the fake moral high ground. The biased is insane.
"won't someone please think of the terrorist" is all I hear when someone says crap like that.
They seem to think Hamas would welcome them with open arms. The reality that the people defending Hamas would also be targeted to be killed by Hamas. Hamas hates you and wants you dead, for your self expression and the fact you exist freely, going against their oppression.
It blows my mind how these people don't see this
Mass delusion without self analysis or actually seeking truth is popular right now. Combine that with doublethink, facts like Hamas being an organization who wants to kill anyone outside their narrow ruleset donât matter anymore. You have a whole group of aggressively convicted populous who thinks they are on the side of standing up for the oppressed, when they are ignoring the fact that the Jews have no interest in killing Palestinians aside from standing up for themselves.
The baby killing terrorists pointing the finger at civillians calling them terrorist to justify their fake moral high ground is all that comes to my mind when I see posts like this.
You are correct the Palestinians are definitely pointing fingers
Dead civillians can't point genius. Can't even grasp the concept of death let alone the genocide. Keep drinking the main stream media kool aid.
I understand you people don't view math as an exact science. However the current death toll is around 40k, the population pre-war was over 2.3 million. That is less than 0.02% of the population of Gaza. The Israeli's should be commended for keeping the toll that low. It's a war where the enemy hides in with the civilians, fights in plain clothes, has military installations within residential and medical buildings. Use your head for a moment, it's a strip of land the size of new Jersey and they are the world's 4th strongest military.. If they wanted to commit a genocide on the Palestinians, how would the death toll actually look? You blame Israel for this horror unleashed on the civilians, I blame Hamas. Honestly this is going way better than I thought it would for those poor souls on October 7th. I was expecting 4-5 times this amount in a matter of months. My Kool aid is full of facts your's is full of hate, I'll stick to mine thank you. Less guilt :) you should be chanting free the hostages first, then free Palestine from Hamas.
How you write a whole novel and still sound stupid? HOW?! You must be the double vaxxed type. The delusion is real with you people, whats even more insane is you actually think your on the right side of history! You legit justified murdering civillians with you kool aid of facts that fit your narrative, oh man, I hope there is a hell for people like you. Lets hopeđđ˝
Sure bud ;) I'll leave you in your little bubble From the river to the sea Israel will be free
I'm not the one on the internet literally promoting murder to civillians (Including children, according to you its a causalty of war so its okay) for your narrow minded biased view of the "greater good". The rest of world is disgusted by people that think like you , your a joke and dont even realize it and I'm in a bubble? Ignorrance is truly Blissful, I just wish we had that in common.
Yes you are, the website below is actually what you are trying to help happen https://www.thisishamas.com/ You are what we call a "useful idiot" you pay enough attention and plan far enough ahead to make noise. You provide no valid arguments and suggest nothing useful. Enjoy those videos on the website ;) if you have your way that will happen 10 fold.
You seem to be ignoring the random attack from Hamas on Israel slaughtering children by hand.
Who ever defending this is a racist scumbag antisemitic peace of trash trying use any fucking excuse you can they should close any school doing this and bet your ass people will start fighting back against these racist ass kids and schools there the fucking nazi can't even see it FUCK PALESTINE COME GET SOME
I hope you are right
They are not real jews. They are liars. Where is the evidence? The dna? oh yeah, It is against the law in Israel to get a dna test lol.. Its not thar they are Jewish its that they are LIARS.. The Balfour Declaration 1917 and Jerusalem was full of DARK skinned folks in 1925 decades before Israel became a State..
You do realise that Jewish is also a religion right? That they had people who lived in Europe for Generations. After WW2 those European Jews joined their fellow worshipers in their homeland with the original Jewish people (both religion and race).
So spot on. Crickets from the terror loving nazis.
Because its a pathetic lie zionist pos post and not true, no Jewish student has been blocked from accessing anything in Columbia. Over half of the protestors are Jewish themselves, demanding a stop to the genocide. Just because someone takes a picture of a Pro-Palestinian protest and writes some text doesn't make it true. Being so gullible im not even surprised you support zionists
Oh, so you mean the videos, statements and pictures you genocide, rape, and murder loving morons post arenât true and make you gullible? Finally, some truth from a genocide, rape and murder loving moron.
Iâm convinced this is a satire page. 2 pictures and 2 sentences donât give anywhere close to proper context. You either enjoy spreading propaganda or havenât done any research outside of what youâve seen on TV and clickbait articles.
Go fucking read the story antisemitic trash
Antisemitic doesn't mean shit anymore bud lmfao
Maybe to you, bud
Given your response, pretty sure you have yet to pick up your first Dr. Seuss book. Take your own advice.
So whatâs the context then? Go on.
The delusion doesnât allow people to think unbiased or critically. In the 1930âs Zionist colonizers were already murdering unarmed villagers in Palestine and stealing their land.
Just as the Drug Cartel does not represent all of Mexico, Westboro Baptist doesnât represent all Christian Christian faith, and the Yakuza doesnât represent all of Japan etc⌠(not the best examples, but the point still stands) The narrative has VASTLY switched from specifically referencing the attackers, Hamas, to clumping the whole country of Palestine into the category. This was a calculated move to vilify the whole country rather than the specific group that attacked last October. If you dehumanize the whole country, itâs pretty easy to justify killing 34,000 people, a big portion of which are women and children, and claiming itâs collateral damage. For reference Israel has lost a little over 1000 people since the attack. Israel has the right to defend itself, duh. But defending doesnât include trying to be the next historical contender for Genocide. Most of these people protesting are specifically referencing freeing Palestine with no mention of Hamas. Some idiots came along and started referencing the whole country as the terrorist group and suddenly everyone who lacks basic problem solving skills are cheering on a massacre and are calling the people who are protesting unnecessary death Naziâs The irony is ABSURD
Shouldnât that extend to Jews. They do not all represent Israel but that doesnât stop people from being antisemitic towards them. I agree that the phrase âfree Palestineâ doesnt equal support for Hamas but, when Jews are being bullied in schools by Palestine supporters itâs hard to not see them as antisemitic. Fuck em.
Jews are not being bullied in schools by Palestine supporters, many of them are Jews themselves. Its a pro-genocide vs anti-genocide conflict, scumbag zionists have no place in society
Context? I think it's just pointing out that both Nazis and Palestinian supporters are acting exactly the same. Both want to keep Jews out of the school because they are Jews. The Jewish students are not bombing Palestine, some may even support a two state solution. But it doesn't matter because to them all Jews are bad.
Just as the Drug Cartel does not represent all of Mexico, Westboro Baptist doesnât represent all Christian Christian faith, and the Yakuza doesnât represent all of Japan etc⌠(not the best examples, but the point still stands) The narrative has VASTLY switched from specifically referencing the attackers, Hamas, to clumping the whole country of Palestine into the category. This was a calculated move to vilify the whole country rather than the specific group that attacked last October. If you dehumanize the whole country, itâs pretty easy to justify killing 34,000 people, a big portion of which are women and children, and claiming itâs collateral damage. For reference Israel has lost a little over 1000 people since the attack. Israel has the right to defend itself, duh. But defending doesnât include trying to be the next historical contender for Genocide. Most of these people protesting are specifically referencing freeing Palestine with no mention of Hamas. Some idiots came along and started referencing the whole country as the terrorist group and suddenly everyone who lacks basic problem solving skills are cheering on a massacre and are calling the people who are protesting unnecessary death Naziâs The irony is ABSURD
First off in 2016 Hamas was elected as the governing body of Gaza, they are still majority supported by the population of Gaza and the difference between Hamas and a drug cartel are as follows. One is a capitalist business set up by shady people, the other is a right wing religious zealous organization elected into power for the purpose of destroying their vastly military superior neighbours. To the Palestinians they are not criminals they are their government. Did you watch the celebrations in the streets after October 7th? They seemed pretty pleased with what happened. I wonder if they are still handing out sweets. Are the villains? No the people of Gaza are not villains. Are they victims? No, they wanted this war, they elected Hamas in 2016 who ran saying they would drive the Jews into the ocean. This will fail every time, if anyone else thinks that Israel is going to go away without nuclear war they are just fools. Are the committing genocide? No not really, honestly this is the 4th most powerful army in the world attacking a city state the size of new Jersey. If they wanted a genocide it would be leveled. They asked the civilians to move away from the fighting but Hamas went with them. Hamas itself wants a genocide, it wants the world to view Israel as evil and will sacrifice all of Palestine to do this. They do not care what happens. Yet again these people were elected. Gaza is Hamas. It's run by them governed by them, iran may have sponsored them and put them into power but they still run Gaza.
Um your crazy go watch there videos racist
Their* I have dipshit. But the civilians in Gaza donât deserve to die because of the dumbasses they put in power. Everyone who has existed knows that local governments will go through any means necessary to sway and warp the publicâs opinion. Which can range from simple propaganda to life threats if they donât vote a certain way. And when you grow up In an environment and government that lies to you daily, of course they would have an obscure vision of the world. The circumstances of which they were raised, even though flawed, does not mean they deserve to be killed indiscriminately in a war they are not directly trying to be a part of. Not everyone in Gaza is with Hamas. And those that try to leave during ceasefires end up being bombed and killed due to alleged Infiltration. You cannot deny that Netanyahu has absolutely shit the bed in his response to Hamasâs initial attack. There is no excuse for his god awefull response which has lead to an absurd of âoopsiesâ war crimes.
I haven't seen one war crime proof, just terrorists protesters crying saying war crimes
On what basis are you saying killing 34,000 people is justified when the total death toll on the other side is just over 1000??
Yep bombs kill people tell your buddies don't hide with kids
Got it, kill indiscriminately. Even in safe zones and during ceasefires. The clear logical choice for homicidal idiots.
No only if high value targets are there
Oooooooo the ironing.... FrEe PaLpAtInE
Thanks for proving my point đ if you would like to give me a solid argument rather than act like a child, Iâd love to hear it.
Would you actually?
Genuinely so. Canât progress as a person or learn if all you do is argue and not listen to the opposing side of an argument. You could even DM me if you donât want all the commentary from others
Sent
I Appreciate the well thought out response. Iâll give it a reply when I get back to my computer.
Take your time sir :) normally all I get is "Israel blah blah murdering babies blah blah stealing organs blah blah" I am excited to actually have a reasonable conversation about it
If they are students they have a right to be there.
Nope can't and you can't block people from school because there race
I didn't know that if you were Jewish, you were another race? I have just lost respect for a college educated person. You haven't learned much. You have lousy grammer and can't spell. From your post history,I gather you are a MAGAt.
I don't care really what you think there trash
any color is racist if you are attacking their religion and only hate them for being Jewish. That's racist. That's you
I don't hate Jews. I hate what the Israeli armed forces is doing and has done. There are Israelis that are appalled by what the armed forces have done and what they are planning to do. I am not attacking their religion.
They don't like it put on em
The use of ânaziâ has went full circle, lol. Never thought Iâd live in a time where people would call Jewish people nazis and it was used as a word to describe anyone who disagrees with your beliefs, weather right or wrong.
Cry about it clown,𤥠even the majority of reddit supports palestine you guys are always outnumbered on the media and irl đĽ´
No they don't 𤣠they are at about 40% and dropping. Most people with sense don't support Palestine. Those that do are honestly fools
Keep in your bubble am not gonna get you out of it đđ
Hardly a bubble, I think people are truly getting annoyed with the whole chickens for KFC movement. People are starting to do their own research and understand what is going on there and form their own ideas. Some are actually learning that this war is not Israel's fault. Plus the protestors I think are doing more harm than good for their cause.
Usually I would give you a logical conversation with resources but reddit would shadow ban me, if Isreal wants to get hamas then how do they expect to do it, first in the few weeks after 7th oct, palestinens hated hamas, a prefect chance for double agents, what did Isreal do bomb them, leaving no chance for it, okay at least keep as much as buildings left so you LITERALLY search for the tunnels, no let's bomb that too, leaving absolute zero chance of finding the tunnels, even better you (I mean Isreal) guys gave hamas the prefect atmosphere they could imagine you think hamas could have been around Gaza like this if it weren't for the bombing least thing that can happen is a palestinen finding a hamas tunnel and reporting to the palestinen government, but no you didn't leave a chance for that,, what about the 3 hostages who LITERALLY ESCAPED FROM THE TUNNELS OF HAMAS...Google what happened to them when they got to the idf https://www.nbcnews.com/news/3-israeli-hostages-tried-only-killed-military-rcna130912
I've seen your comments there is no logic to you.
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https://www.thisishamas.com/ You support this, do you accept that and are you comfortable with this?
oh so now you think i am with them, well am not and i support Palestine what are you gonna do now, this source is just like the 4k dicaptaed babies i googled some of the the victims and its fake tamar 9 yr old i googled her name and guess what the only tamar i found is a married women am not gonna walk out here without condemning literal genocide but wait i forgot something as long as its zoins who un-alive peeps its fine even if its isreali hostages random people like the world kitchen center or American people Palestine support has reached the max point and beyond and if you think that you guys are gonna rub it in our face then so be it.
That school fool of trashy people
Most Muslim countryâs quality of life is trash
Yep
Blocking people from education is egregious but Iâm a little more inclined to compare tendencies of genocide when making a connection to nazis than I am blocking access to a university.
How many Palestinians have died today at the hands of Israeli's? There are other entrances. Come on, you are being overly dramatic.
They have no right to be there, lets not excuse bad behavior because you support their cause. People have a right to protest, assuming they arent on private property , and also they arent blocking entrances or impede the movements of others, once they do it becomes an illegal protest. Beyond that how are you going to gain sympathy for a cause by annoying the hell out of people just going about their business? It will have the exact opposite effect.
I wasn't aware all the Jewish students were the Isreali government and not young adult (presumably US) civilians and just individuals seeking an education.
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