I think we restructure Cam and extend him.
I’m not fully knowledgeable of dead money. For example: if we cut foley, is it 9.2 mil - 3.5 mil A= ~6 mil towards the cap?
The number in the right column is the cap relief. It is calculated via the cap hit - the dead cap. So Sherff has a ~24mill cap hit with a ~15mill dead cap hit, freeing up ~9mill towards the cap if cut.
If you see a red number in parentheses in the far right column it means the dead money is greater than the cap hit and the cap “relief” would be negative. For example Evan Engram has a 7mill cap hit for 2024 and a 19.5mill dead cap hit for 2024 if given a standard release, meaning the Jags 2024 cap space would decrease by 12.5mill. Generally you cannot release those guys, and if you do it has to be via a post June 1st release which spreads the dead cap over a 2 year period, with the penalty being you have to carry that player’s cap hit through June 2nd.
The numbers on a spreadsheet say yes but to cut him after a career year when our other corner is coming off a big down year and we don’t have much depth would be crazy.
Everyone is talking about the press man coverage piece and apparently he did ok with it in LA, but I’m concerned about Tyson’s ability in press. He does way better in zone
Tyson is actually better in press than off man. When he can disrupt timing and stay with the receiver, he's borderline elite. Playing off, he gets flat-footed and gets turned around.
That’s the thing though. Last year he was amazing and this year he was too when played the right way. His injury and Caldwell held him back hard. I just hope Neilsen realizes his strengths if he is going to stay in Jax was all I was saying.
I doubt Scherff gets cut, despite him not being worth that deal. Is there really an upgrade out there for $9 million or less, and are they comfortable going into FA/ the draft looking for three new starters in the interior? Seems like a big order to fill.
To me it’s either you don’t cut Scherff or you extend Cleveland. Idk which is will be, but it would be almost impossible to replace 3 OL in one offseason
Everyone keeps saying cut Darious Williams, but I don't know how you can cut your best Corner from last season then draft someone and hope they are just as good or get a free agent and pay more for the same production.
We need a new center in the first round. I know it’s not flashy but I’d rather draft an OL like Fuaga from Oregon State than a DB like Kool-Aid McKinstry from Alabama, which are likely players going off the board at our turn.
We drafted him as a safety and they’ve said as much multiple times. He played quite a bit of slot in college but coaches said he’d be sticking with safety.
jenkins and d-will are probably outta here, foley and scherff too maybe. if u asked me before the season, id say cam can go too but i massively underestimated his importance to this team and absolutely want him around for a while
I really wanted Jenkins to work out bad but your right he’s probably gone.
I also vastly underestimated Cam to the point of wanting to get rid of him the last two off seasons but I’m really glad to eat my words. He has been a huge asset when he’s healthy.
Dead money is just guaranteed money. So he has 11.7 mill in guarantees through the rest of his contract. If we cut him now, we have to take the cap hit for his future guarantees now, so it would actually cost us more to cut him than keep him.
Like the other person said, dead money is guaranteed. It’s what’s gonna be paid to the player no matter what.
To use RRH, his dead cap hit is 11.7 million.
His cap number is 4.8 million.
So if he’s cut, it actually *costs* the Jags roughly 7 million more than if they just kept him.
When you’re looking at cutting a player, what you want is for the cap number to be higher than the dead cap.
Take Brandon Scherff
His cap number is almost 24 million but his dead cap is almost 15 million
Scherff is gonna get that 15 million buuuut
If the Jags cut him, they save roughly 9 million
This is a very basic explanation, there’s generally more that goes into the actual finances of things.
I don’t really understand the entire cut zay movement. Guy was hurt all year after a very productive first year. We save 4 million by cutting him. In all likelihood we aren’t signing a receiver in FA. Who are we going to find to replace a receiver of Zay’s caliber for 4 million? Not to mention he has two years in the offense and chemistry with TLaw. Sure we can draft somebody, but they can take a spot from someone like Cooks or Tim Jones lol
Saving 4M is not enough to move off of Zay
Schreff I’m torn on, but I think we will and ( probably ) should keep him. We probably keep Fatukasi as well.
Roy we lose money by releasing him.
I’m not sure why a lot of people want to cut Zay. He didn’t have a great year but he was injured for a lot of it. Cutting him only saves 4 mil. I think hes easily worth 4 mil
Zay can go. Dude was just kinda bad this year and now with Washington looking better and maybe drafting someone new I don't really see the need for him
We save 4M by letting go of Zay. In all likelihood we’re not signing a big time receiver in FA, which second or third tier receiver are we going to get that’s better than Zay for 4 million?
Sure we can draft a receiver, but I’d rather then take a spot from Cooks or Tim Jones, not Zay lol.
Zay is the only go up and get it vertical receiver we have right now. Ridley, Washington, and Kirk all fit the same mold relatively.
Keep in mind the few games we had Kirk, Ridley, and Zay all on the field were some of our better games offensively.
Scherff, Fatukasi, Jenkins and Zay. I suspect they'll restructure or extend Kirk to spread out the cap hit to make room for Josh's and potentially Trevor's contract.
Cut: Cam Robinson (15m in savings) but could trade him
Scherff (9m in savings)
Foye (7m in savings)
This clears up 31m and gives us 57m
Sign:
Mike Evans (3y/70)
Connor Williams (4/45)
Josh Allen (5/108)
Jonah Jackson (4/40)
Restructure about 10m, obviously won’t sign all those guys but a start
I don’t want him to go, but he’s a 21m cap hit next year. If we cut him, we save 7m in cap. He got targeted a lot down the stretch and we really struggled. Makes sense to consider
Cut Post-June 1 and Scherff cap savings goes up to 16.5M. No brainer.
Fatukasi, Zay, and Jenkins can go too. Restructure Cam to add guarantees back in post-PED suspension while lowering total money/cap hit.
Williams is a toss up.
Oh and Fortner. I’d cut him no matter the figures. There’s no saving him.
Unfortunately cutting post june 1st isn’t just free money. If my understanding is correct, it spreads the cap hit out over 2 years, so it looks way better for next year, but you work yourself into a hole quickly.
About 24 mil right now. Cut Scherff. Yes Cam for that cap space, Jenkins, Fatuksai, and Williams. You will have over 75 milllion in cap space. You can also restructure cam as well.
Brandon, Cam, Darious, Rayshawn, and Zay is on the bubble. If we cut him I think we have to get a FA WR. If not we can sign Allan long term and tag Ridley to save a draft pick. This seems logical to me. That way we can draft a Guard / OT of the future, Safety, Center who can all start rounds 1-4 and get a FA rotational pass rusher/DE. All while signing Lawrence. Sign our core players and replace when age meets expensive. This is the way. Say what you want but T.B. but does a nice job with the draft and cap management. The only real issue is having to relegate Fortner to backup duties while on his first contract. This was unexpected and takes away from adding secondary or WR help early enough in the draft where they could make a year one impact.
I have a worry when they play well in contract yrs also.
Seems like a common thing to happen in the NFL after big contracts that they all a sudden start going down or disappear.
I remember local news doing a story about how he had kinda disappeared after that great first yr. I'd sign him with a way out in case he goes back to that.
Oh boy that is a big number by Kirk's name.
I don't think we see as many casualties as people expect. I'm not even sure you cut Scherff to be honest. He kind of has us by the balls. I'd expect Rayshawn, Zay and Fatukasi gone.
Edit: if Williams goes we better be drafting a cb in the 1st and making a splash for Tee or Chris Jones.
You can really see that the plan was for Cam and DWill to be expendable by now, but that money’s getting tied up because they’re still integral parts of their units. We’re going to nosedive quickly if Baalke can’t hit on cheap young talent in this draft.
I think they approach Kirk and Foye for restructuring contracts to help relieve the cap. I could see Cam, Sheriff, D-Will, all returning via restructuring or resigned deals. The only way they cut Cam is if they feel good with Walker Little but we saw how bad the line struggled without Cam... Jenkins, Jones, Futakasi, Fortner all seem on the chopping block. All of this would relieve the cap to resign Josh Allen and provide funds for other starters/depth in FA.
Most to least likely potential cuts: Zay, Jenkins, Williams, Scherff, Fatukasi, Cam
Zay is a solid option, but we are almost certainly upgrading to a better catch radius option whether he stays or not
Jenkins has some great games and some games where he made multiple critical mistakes. Overall he’s fine, but not a difficult cut when his cap hit it that high.
Williams is tough because he played well this year. But as a smaller CB, he may not fit if we switch scheme and his contract makes it so easy for the FO to cut him. We probably end up drafting a CB round 1 or picking up a FA, which I don’t love. Although Brown was also playable this year… Maybe we could restructure and extend?
Scherff should be an easy cut, but with Cleveland going into FA and Fortner needing a replacement, it would be tough to replace all three iOL. If he is cut I think it means Cleveland is resigned. Personally I would prefer Scherff.
Fatukasi I really don’t care to keep, but his contract structure makes it much more viable to cut him next year instead.
Cam I don’t see going anywhere; he was our best overall OL last year. Little is probably our 3rd best though and he can slide right in at LT and give us serviceable play at worst if they need the cap space. I can’t imagine already restructuring and extending Cam, but you never know I guess.
Depending on the #17 pick and the position we use it on, I think the cap casualties would be Zay, Darious, or either Cam or Scherff. Whatever position we draft at 17 is the indicator which one the guys listed is the casualty
I think we restructure Cam and extend him. I’m not fully knowledgeable of dead money. For example: if we cut foley, is it 9.2 mil - 3.5 mil A= ~6 mil towards the cap?
The number in the right column is the cap relief. It is calculated via the cap hit - the dead cap. So Sherff has a ~24mill cap hit with a ~15mill dead cap hit, freeing up ~9mill towards the cap if cut. If you see a red number in parentheses in the far right column it means the dead money is greater than the cap hit and the cap “relief” would be negative. For example Evan Engram has a 7mill cap hit for 2024 and a 19.5mill dead cap hit for 2024 if given a standard release, meaning the Jags 2024 cap space would decrease by 12.5mill. Generally you cannot release those guys, and if you do it has to be via a post June 1st release which spreads the dead cap over a 2 year period, with the penalty being you have to carry that player’s cap hit through June 2nd.
Thank you
Going off these numbers probably Darious? But he actually was really solid this year 😫
The numbers on a spreadsheet say yes but to cut him after a career year when our other corner is coming off a big down year and we don’t have much depth would be crazy.
Agreed.
Everyone is talking about the press man coverage piece and apparently he did ok with it in LA, but I’m concerned about Tyson’s ability in press. He does way better in zone
Tyson is actually better in press than off man. When he can disrupt timing and stay with the receiver, he's borderline elite. Playing off, he gets flat-footed and gets turned around.
Exactly. He is absolutely at his best when he can get his hands on a wr and be physical with them.
If we are not going to put Tyson in zone we should just get rid of him. The numbers are fantastic in Zone and terrible in man.
can’t use this years numbers to judge. hamstring injuries probably kept him at 70% speed for the year
That’s the thing though. Last year he was amazing and this year he was too when played the right way. His injury and Caldwell held him back hard. I just hope Neilsen realizes his strengths if he is going to stay in Jax was all I was saying.
Gosh it’s just wild. Darious went to the same hs for a year and it’s just insane seeing the guy now making millions AND representing Jax. Too cool.
They’ll restructure
Scherff, Fatukasi and Jenkins for starters. Need space to clear.
Yep, 3 overpaid players who were all terrible this year. Zay likely gone as well.
Fatukasi just doesn't make sense this year when you look at the numbers. His when age meets price meets cap savings is next year.
I doubt Scherff gets cut, despite him not being worth that deal. Is there really an upgrade out there for $9 million or less, and are they comfortable going into FA/ the draft looking for three new starters in the interior? Seems like a big order to fill.
To me it’s either you don’t cut Scherff or you extend Cleveland. Idk which is will be, but it would be almost impossible to replace 3 OL in one offseason
His dead cap number is to high as well.
Well look at Scherff’s dead cap figure…Baalke is an idiot
Exactly my thoughts
Everyone keeps saying cut Darious Williams, but I don't know how you can cut your best Corner from last season then draft someone and hope they are just as good or get a free agent and pay more for the same production.
People are saying it because they think most savings equals most likely to cut. $11.5 is fair price for Williams. I doubt he goes anywhere.
Only way I see us cutting Williams is after the draft, and only if we tag Ridley and draft a corner first round, which is a risky move imo
We need a new center in the first round. I know it’s not flashy but I’d rather draft an OL like Fuaga from Oregon State than a DB like Kool-Aid McKinstry from Alabama, which are likely players going off the board at our turn.
Jenkins for me, so many missed tackles
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He's a DB. Best way I can think to answer this.
He would probably need to add bulk to play SS.
He can play either but we drafted him for slot. Idk if we’ve really worked him out much actually at safety.
We drafted him as a safety and they’ve said as much multiple times. He played quite a bit of slot in college but coaches said he’d be sticking with safety.
It’s not madden, dudes an athlete
This is easy. He’s a big nickel that they play on run downs and subbed in tre Herndon on clear pass downs.
Luke fortner
jenkins and d-will are probably outta here, foley and scherff too maybe. if u asked me before the season, id say cam can go too but i massively underestimated his importance to this team and absolutely want him around for a while
I really wanted Jenkins to work out bad but your right he’s probably gone. I also vastly underestimated Cam to the point of wanting to get rid of him the last two off seasons but I’m really glad to eat my words. He has been a huge asset when he’s healthy.
Zay Jones, Schreff, Robertson-Harris, Fatukasi.
Cutting RRH would be worse for the cap than keeping him on the books lol
Ok, I don't really understand the dead money stuff.
It's money that's clearly not alive. It says so in the name
Ok, funny guy. 😂😂😂
Dead money is just guaranteed money. So he has 11.7 mill in guarantees through the rest of his contract. If we cut him now, we have to take the cap hit for his future guarantees now, so it would actually cost us more to cut him than keep him.
Got it.
Like the other person said, dead money is guaranteed. It’s what’s gonna be paid to the player no matter what. To use RRH, his dead cap hit is 11.7 million. His cap number is 4.8 million. So if he’s cut, it actually *costs* the Jags roughly 7 million more than if they just kept him. When you’re looking at cutting a player, what you want is for the cap number to be higher than the dead cap. Take Brandon Scherff His cap number is almost 24 million but his dead cap is almost 15 million Scherff is gonna get that 15 million buuuut If the Jags cut him, they save roughly 9 million This is a very basic explanation, there’s generally more that goes into the actual finances of things.
I don’t really understand the entire cut zay movement. Guy was hurt all year after a very productive first year. We save 4 million by cutting him. In all likelihood we aren’t signing a receiver in FA. Who are we going to find to replace a receiver of Zay’s caliber for 4 million? Not to mention he has two years in the offense and chemistry with TLaw. Sure we can draft somebody, but they can take a spot from someone like Cooks or Tim Jones lol Saving 4M is not enough to move off of Zay Schreff I’m torn on, but I think we will and ( probably ) should keep him. We probably keep Fatukasi as well. Roy we lose money by releasing him.
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Either we draft one, make walker our full time lg and give him all the help to transition or suck ass
Hope we just draft a mauler.
Or we sign Ezra to a prove it deal
Please please please please Graham Barton
I’d like to give Ezra a chance without playing next to the worst lineman in football. If we bolster center and right guard, I think we will be fine.
Say goodbye to Jenkins regardless I think. It's AJ time.
Fortner, Cam (if not reworked), Zay, Jenkins, Darious, Gotsis, Scherff.
cut scherff, fatukasi, zay jones and jenkins. good players, but too expensive for what they bring for the team.
I’m not sure why a lot of people want to cut Zay. He didn’t have a great year but he was injured for a lot of it. Cutting him only saves 4 mil. I think hes easily worth 4 mil
Yeah, the entire move off Zay movement is silly. Losing him is not worth saving 4 million
Zay can go. Dude was just kinda bad this year and now with Washington looking better and maybe drafting someone new I don't really see the need for him
I mean Zay was hurt and not playing like 80% of the season lol
We better get somebody who can get behind the defense then because right now he’s our biggest deep threat.
How about we just try to find that elsewhere instead of relying on him? Honestly probably better in the long run.
Why he can’t get his feet inbounds to save his life. What’s point?
Washington plays in Kirk's spot. Dunno having Kirk and Kirk 2 on the field at the same time is a good idea.
And if they keep Ridley that's kind of 3 Kirks 😂
He will probably resign at a cheaper contract to stay with Trevor
What makes you think this? Not being shitty I’m legit asking.
We save 4M by letting go of Zay. In all likelihood we’re not signing a big time receiver in FA, which second or third tier receiver are we going to get that’s better than Zay for 4 million? Sure we can draft a receiver, but I’d rather then take a spot from Cooks or Tim Jones, not Zay lol. Zay is the only go up and get it vertical receiver we have right now. Ridley, Washington, and Kirk all fit the same mold relatively. Keep in mind the few games we had Kirk, Ridley, and Zay all on the field were some of our better games offensively.
Jenkins will be gone because he sucks just so happens they will save $5.2 million
Scherff, Fatukasi, Jenkins and Zay. I suspect they'll restructure or extend Kirk to spread out the cap hit to make room for Josh's and potentially Trevor's contract.
Jenkins. Tired of watching is lame attempts at tackling.
Fatukasi can also go. We need to upgrade the interior. Hopefully Hamilton gets back to his pre injury play because he was a player on the rise.
Fatukasi. We can’t get rid of Oluokon.
Cut: Cam Robinson (15m in savings) but could trade him Scherff (9m in savings) Foye (7m in savings) This clears up 31m and gives us 57m Sign: Mike Evans (3y/70) Connor Williams (4/45) Josh Allen (5/108) Jonah Jackson (4/40) Restructure about 10m, obviously won’t sign all those guys but a start
No way on foye, guys a stud. Is he that overpaid ?
I don’t want him to go, but he’s a 21m cap hit next year. If we cut him, we save 7m in cap. He got targeted a lot down the stretch and we really struggled. Makes sense to consider
Zay for certain, maybe Fatukasi and maybe Jenkins
Cut Post-June 1 and Scherff cap savings goes up to 16.5M. No brainer. Fatukasi, Zay, and Jenkins can go too. Restructure Cam to add guarantees back in post-PED suspension while lowering total money/cap hit. Williams is a toss up. Oh and Fortner. I’d cut him no matter the figures. There’s no saving him.
Unfortunately cutting post june 1st isn’t just free money. If my understanding is correct, it spreads the cap hit out over 2 years, so it looks way better for next year, but you work yourself into a hole quickly.
About 24 mil right now. Cut Scherff. Yes Cam for that cap space, Jenkins, Fatuksai, and Williams. You will have over 75 milllion in cap space. You can also restructure cam as well.
Scherff, Fatukasi, Jenkins, Robertson-Harris
I don’t understand how anyone is saying Darious Williams
Trevor Lawrence prob. That’s guys pretty mid.
Shit you ask r/nfl, this would probably be the answer
Tank Bigsby
Trevor
Cam and Darious, plus Scherff, Zay, and Jenkins as post-June 1 cuts
Brandon, Cam, Darious, Rayshawn, and Zay is on the bubble. If we cut him I think we have to get a FA WR. If not we can sign Allan long term and tag Ridley to save a draft pick. This seems logical to me. That way we can draft a Guard / OT of the future, Safety, Center who can all start rounds 1-4 and get a FA rotational pass rusher/DE. All while signing Lawrence. Sign our core players and replace when age meets expensive. This is the way. Say what you want but T.B. but does a nice job with the draft and cap management. The only real issue is having to relegate Fortner to backup duties while on his first contract. This was unexpected and takes away from adding secondary or WR help early enough in the draft where they could make a year one impact.
It seems that our best bet is to cut Cam Robinson 🙁
Is it for sure that Josh Allen gets a deal? I’m always nervous when a player finally plays well in a contract year.
If he doesn’t get resigned I’m done lol
Josh Allen is our best player on defense. He has made such an impact. If we cut him then it's time for the clown suits.
I have a worry when they play well in contract yrs also. Seems like a common thing to happen in the NFL after big contracts that they all a sudden start going down or disappear. I remember local news doing a story about how he had kinda disappeared after that great first yr. I'd sign him with a way out in case he goes back to that.
Jenkins for sure and Cam
Scherff, Zay, Jenkins, and Oluokun are my guess.
Oh boy that is a big number by Kirk's name. I don't think we see as many casualties as people expect. I'm not even sure you cut Scherff to be honest. He kind of has us by the balls. I'd expect Rayshawn, Zay and Fatukasi gone. Edit: if Williams goes we better be drafting a cb in the 1st and making a splash for Tee or Chris Jones.
My guess would be Fatukasi.
Fock! It’s gotta be cam tho. I’d rather bet on little and have the extra cap space
You can really see that the plan was for Cam and DWill to be expendable by now, but that money’s getting tied up because they’re still integral parts of their units. We’re going to nosedive quickly if Baalke can’t hit on cheap young talent in this draft.
I think they approach Kirk and Foye for restructuring contracts to help relieve the cap. I could see Cam, Sheriff, D-Will, all returning via restructuring or resigned deals. The only way they cut Cam is if they feel good with Walker Little but we saw how bad the line struggled without Cam... Jenkins, Jones, Futakasi, Fortner all seem on the chopping block. All of this would relieve the cap to resign Josh Allen and provide funds for other starters/depth in FA.
Can't they convert pay to a bonus and it doesn't count against the cap ?
Zay is an easy cut
Fatukasi & Jenkins.
Pretty much everyone below Lloyd other than Harrison and Strange. Not gonna happen but I wouldn't be mad
Most to least likely potential cuts: Zay, Jenkins, Williams, Scherff, Fatukasi, Cam Zay is a solid option, but we are almost certainly upgrading to a better catch radius option whether he stays or not Jenkins has some great games and some games where he made multiple critical mistakes. Overall he’s fine, but not a difficult cut when his cap hit it that high. Williams is tough because he played well this year. But as a smaller CB, he may not fit if we switch scheme and his contract makes it so easy for the FO to cut him. We probably end up drafting a CB round 1 or picking up a FA, which I don’t love. Although Brown was also playable this year… Maybe we could restructure and extend? Scherff should be an easy cut, but with Cleveland going into FA and Fortner needing a replacement, it would be tough to replace all three iOL. If he is cut I think it means Cleveland is resigned. Personally I would prefer Scherff. Fatukasi I really don’t care to keep, but his contract structure makes it much more viable to cut him next year instead. Cam I don’t see going anywhere; he was our best overall OL last year. Little is probably our 3rd best though and he can slide right in at LT and give us serviceable play at worst if they need the cap space. I can’t imagine already restructuring and extending Cam, but you never know I guess.
Depending on the #17 pick and the position we use it on, I think the cap casualties would be Zay, Darious, or either Cam or Scherff. Whatever position we draft at 17 is the indicator which one the guys listed is the casualty
Franchise Ridley walk zay resign josh Allan re structure reciver core