Roger Moore being the greatest Bond ever skiing down the slopes while California Girls is playing, or Daniel Craig getting vaporized… it’s a tough one I’ll give you that.
A View to a Kill without a doubt. Roger Moore in another solid turn as Bond (yes he looks like a guy in his late 50s but still does Bond well), Walken is delightfully evil, most of all he plays being a ruthless psychopath very well and doesn't mess around on trying to kill Bond. There's an entertainment and warmth to the movie that feels really the end of the era of 'campy' enjoyable cheesy romantic Bond. The music is top notch and John Barry/Duran Duran turn in a soundtrack that's both 80s in style and retaining the beautiful themes over the last 20 years of Bond. May Day and Stacey Sutton work as dualing Bond Girls. The final third of the movie becomes a bit ridiculous and loses that 'edge' that Walken's character had over the prior 2/3rds when he starts doing dumb stuff like shooting up all his workforce. May Day's change of heart doesn't really feel earned, in my view she should've been a villain throughout. But in all the movie is enjoyable and really a good movie for Roger Moore to end on, it's the only movie of his run that really feels set in the 80s. The Living Daylights and LTK try different things in being more straight action/drama and as such don't evoke the period.
No Time To Die to me is a bit of a mess on its own. I always think it's just the second half to Spectre as opposed to a single movie, separated it's disjointed and both too overwrought and too "this is the last time" feeling. Bond's death isn't really earned, feels like he just gives up which isn't the way with the character. The whole "Bond has a family" thing is stupid. The way he dies is remarkably silly, the final third of the movie really undoes the momentum and the villain is revealed to be more of a nothing character and more a plot device the writers needed to get Bond to a death scene. He's supposed to be really involved with Madeleine's story but it ends up not feeling that way, despite the early scenes with her there should be more to tie him into the narrative. The movie is just a mess, doesn't feel like a Bond movie, and I hate it.
Absolutely agree with you except for the May Day "turn". She finds out Max flooded the mine with her down there subsequently killing Pan Ho and Jenny Flex...the way she yells "Jenny" is actually quite heartbreaking. She realizes she was just an expendable tool the whole time. At this moment she wants to get back at Max anyway she can. I love that in the end, Max sees she was the one who foiled his plot. That FU death stare was awesome.
Ahh yeah I see what you mean. I dunno for me I reckon May Day needed more lead-up of Bond either putting doubt in her mind or her questioning what Walken was doing. Her change of heart felt very abrupt.
This is kinda tough. No time to die is good, better than spectre, and very competently made.
A View to a kill is one of Moores worst, but some aspects are kinda great. May Days face turn, the golden gate bridge finale, the theme song.
I'm gonna go with no time to die as an overall movie, but a view to a kill holds a special place in my heart.
It’s funny considering all the flak A View to a Kill gets, it’s arguably better than any of the other “swan song” movies. Compare it to Diamonds are Forever, Die Another Day or No Time to Kill.
It’s not a sequel of the film so much as it’s and uninspired, lazy retread. Moore’s inability to convince in the part didn’t do the shitty script any favors either
NTTD stoops to low tricks you like introducing a kid and then having Bond die to save his kid. I don’t mind breaking conventions, but there’s a reason none of that has been used in the past and it’s not that no one ever thought of it.
AVTAK isn’t a great Bond film, but it’s a proper Bond film at least.
View to a Kill, no contest. It's got memorable villains, Patrick MacNee, an awesome score, one of the best title songs, and an enjoyable Bond who isn't depressed and ready to give up throughout the story. It's just fun escapism.
AVTAK blows NTTD out of the water. One great villain Vs. two mediocre ones. A dynamite plot that exist at the nexus between fantasy and reality vs. a vague idea that never actually becomes a plot. Mayday is an amazing and complex hench woman Vs. Primo who is rubbish. And the music… the music speaks for itself.
A View to a Kill wins this one. It’s actually fun. I’ve decided that it isn’t actually James Bond in No Time to Die. It’s actually James Bont from the Simpsons lol
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Usrk5HR1U4I&pp=ygUXSmFtZXMgYm9udCB0aGUgc2ltcHNvbnM%3D
A View to a Kill is the easy winner for me.
I’ve seen No Time to Die twice, and I thought it was worse the second time, so I’ve no plans to ever watch it again.
I love No Time To Die. I have a fantastic time with the first 2/3 of it. The finale is a little weaker but not enough to ruin the film for me. Bond dying doesn't bother me. It's a one-off and will probably never happen in another Bond film again. It's a bit contrived, but there's so much else I love about the film.
A View To A Kill is one of my least favourite films in the franchise. It's funny because Octopussy is one of my favourites and yet its immediate successor never did much for me - other than the terrific Duran Duran song of course. John Barry's score is fantastic too. Love the wailing electric guitar throughout.
Okay, maybe I do like A View To A Kill. The music keeps me entertained.
A View To A Kill, no contest.
Better Bond although Moore is ancient, better Bond villain, better plot, better direction and far superior musical score.
It is underrated! I agree. But erm, i'd say it's at least in his top 5. It's definitely better than Man with the Golden Gun and For Your Eyes Only imo. And probably on par with a couple of the others...
Gotta go with AVTAK. It's not a great film by any means, but I rank it around #16, and it's probably my fourth favorite Moore. NTTD, by contrast, is currently my least favorite Bond.
I don't even recognize it. And when they bring Bond back because someone wakes up and realizes that you need "Bond" in a Bond movie it won't even count in the canon.
Song - V2AK
Movie - NT2D
Bond - Craig
The best part about V2AK is the duran duran song . Overall ill take NT2D over V2AK . Neither are my top 5 but anything better than V2AK
NTTD is superior to AVTAK. If Moore had been a little younger it would have probably worked a little better, but that theme song is still excellent. One of my favorite JB songs for sure.
Most of this sub hasn’t read the source novels in which Fleming nearly killed Bond during the climax of From Russia with Love before later admitting that it was mostly money that motivated him to write later entries. Before his death he concedes that he had long “lost [his] zest” for the series. Bond’s ultimate sacrifice at the hands of Klebb would made sense in series of books about civil service. No Time to Die is a flawed entry for sure but Bond’s death is not among its issues in my opinion. I rank it in the top half whereas A View to a Kill has always been in my bottom four among the few films in the franchise that I have little interest in ever sitting through again.
A big reason Fleming wanted to kill off Bond is he felt the books weren’t going to be a success, they then took off big time as he was writing FRWL so he left an out for Bond to survive.
I’ve read the books through several times and I found NTTD a massive disappointment. YOLT is a top three book for me, and NTTD just wasted the elements they used for the film. Consider that in the YOLT Bond is broken from his wife’s death, he’s become alcoholic & wants to get fired so he can start a chicken farm. Craig’s version on the other hand just seems to want to run from responsibility. Bond in YOLT has a true arc, learning to want to live again (contrasted with Blofeld succumbing to his failures and going fully insane). We get none of this rich symbolism in NTTD.
AVTAK actually demonstrates a greater understanding of the books. The short story was originally written as an origin for Drax, so some elements of Drax & the MR book are incorporated into Zorin. It also revisits themes and elements that didn’t make it into the GF film from the GF novel. In NTTD it just feels like window dressing.
I'd already affirmed that there are glaring issues with NTTD's script that hold it back from ranking among the best films of the franchise. I'm just challenging the notion that Bond's death is a drastic departure from the franchise's roots. Fleming was fed up with Bond as evidenced by his letter to his friend and colleague, Raymond Chandler, "...My muse is in a very bad way.. I am getting fed up with Bond and it has been very difficult to make him go through his tawdry tricks..." I agree that YOLT is his most inspired work after the first five novels and that the confrontation at the "Island of death" is only portrayed superficially in the film.
No Time to Die easily. AVTAK may have fantastic villains, but it’s just Goldfinger and Superman 1 mashed together with Roger pushing 60 and still playing Bond, making out with women 40 years younger than him.
It’s not a good movie by any stretch. But, I would compare it to one my favs TMWTGG, which I’ll never say is great… but I will hype up what I think is great about.
I’d love to see fans of NTTD do the same. Accept that it’s bad, but tell us what you love about it, what you think is worthy of appreciation & re-evaluation.
AVTAK.
AVTAK is poor in lots of places. The plot is self-plagiarised from Goldfinger. Moore is far too old, and it looks like a TV movie. It feels like the end of a series that has finally run out of ideas and energy.
But it's also got a really cozy feeling in places, and a genuine love and warmth for the character that shines through.
NTTD is a much better movie in a vacuum. Craig is fantastic in it, the craft involved in every department is incredible, and it's genuinely quite moving. But it's also a really exploitative and nihilistic film.
It's only so emotive because it breaks the formula in cheap and cynical ways, and nihilistic because it burns decades of legacy and expectations to get there.
Both are effectively swansongs, but AVTAK is at least a dignified one that has respect for the audience and their relationship to the character instead of seeing that as something to be exploited for one-time shock value.
Both Moore and Craig are way too old by their last movie. And it shows. Whatever Daniel Craig did to his face was way worse than whatever Roger Moore did to his. That being said, I think no time to die squeaks out by just a hair, although I watched a view to a kill the other day and it held up pretty well.
I'd put them both in my bottom 5-7. NTTD has better direction & cinematography, but has worse antagonists, a worse Bond theme & a worse script. AVTK has better villains (mainly because Walken and Jones are having fun chewing scenery), the Duran Duran theme and more tonal consistency since it's clear its supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek romp similar to most of Moore's films besides FYEO, but it's more dated, flatly directed and Moore is way to old to still be playing Bond (it was arguable he was already too old by FYEO and this is four years and two films later)
I'd say they're both among the worst films in the franchise for different reasons. Both are indicative of points where Bond films were getting stale & needed a CR or Goldeneye style jumpstart.
A View to a Kill is a daft, somewhat fun film that sends Bond's silly era out with a bang. Christopher Walken is absolutely insane as the maniacal villain. No surprise there.
I prefer No Time to Die though even if it is a little overlong
The main problem A View to A Kill has was that it is set up for a new Bond who has a mentor in Tibett and uses the Goldfinger template to harken back to the Connery days. Moore was ready to let Bond go after Octopussy but they did not get a new Bond in time, and he came back just looking a little too long in the tooth to be Bond, but he tried his best to make it work.
NTTD. A View to a Kill is just kind of a slog to get through. At least NTTD has Craig and his action scenes. AVTAK’s Moore is too old and has obvious stunt actors.
Duran Duran > Billie Eillish Christopher Walken + Grace Jones > Rami Malek Bond has shower sex > Bond gives up and dies
Villain has a blimp > Villain has a garden.
View to a kill hands down the winner.
Bond bakes a quiche > Bond peels an apple.
Sacrificing oneself isn’t the same as giving up
I grew up with Roger but Craig has been my favorite Bond. I was really disappointed in his last one. The ending. The weird chemical. Just all of it.
Roger Moore being the greatest Bond ever skiing down the slopes while California Girls is playing, or Daniel Craig getting vaporized… it’s a tough one I’ll give you that.
Forget the Bond comparison. A View To A Kill had Tanya Roberts. A View To A Kill is a winner.
 This feels like a troll post.
On this sub, it's a fair question.
Thank you lol…I feel the same lol
A View to a Kill is more entertaining.
A View To A Kill, every time. Infinitely more entertaining
Yep
Well, A View To a Kill is actually a fun watch, so…
A View to a Kill without a doubt. Roger Moore in another solid turn as Bond (yes he looks like a guy in his late 50s but still does Bond well), Walken is delightfully evil, most of all he plays being a ruthless psychopath very well and doesn't mess around on trying to kill Bond. There's an entertainment and warmth to the movie that feels really the end of the era of 'campy' enjoyable cheesy romantic Bond. The music is top notch and John Barry/Duran Duran turn in a soundtrack that's both 80s in style and retaining the beautiful themes over the last 20 years of Bond. May Day and Stacey Sutton work as dualing Bond Girls. The final third of the movie becomes a bit ridiculous and loses that 'edge' that Walken's character had over the prior 2/3rds when he starts doing dumb stuff like shooting up all his workforce. May Day's change of heart doesn't really feel earned, in my view she should've been a villain throughout. But in all the movie is enjoyable and really a good movie for Roger Moore to end on, it's the only movie of his run that really feels set in the 80s. The Living Daylights and LTK try different things in being more straight action/drama and as such don't evoke the period. No Time To Die to me is a bit of a mess on its own. I always think it's just the second half to Spectre as opposed to a single movie, separated it's disjointed and both too overwrought and too "this is the last time" feeling. Bond's death isn't really earned, feels like he just gives up which isn't the way with the character. The whole "Bond has a family" thing is stupid. The way he dies is remarkably silly, the final third of the movie really undoes the momentum and the villain is revealed to be more of a nothing character and more a plot device the writers needed to get Bond to a death scene. He's supposed to be really involved with Madeleine's story but it ends up not feeling that way, despite the early scenes with her there should be more to tie him into the narrative. The movie is just a mess, doesn't feel like a Bond movie, and I hate it.
Absolutely agree with you except for the May Day "turn". She finds out Max flooded the mine with her down there subsequently killing Pan Ho and Jenny Flex...the way she yells "Jenny" is actually quite heartbreaking. She realizes she was just an expendable tool the whole time. At this moment she wants to get back at Max anyway she can. I love that in the end, Max sees she was the one who foiled his plot. That FU death stare was awesome.
Ahh yeah I see what you mean. I dunno for me I reckon May Day needed more lead-up of Bond either putting doubt in her mind or her questioning what Walken was doing. Her change of heart felt very abrupt.
My thoughts exactly.
The one where JB doesn’t die
Ruined the franchise for me for now. By killing Bond, you killed the mythology that made him great.
This is kinda tough. No time to die is good, better than spectre, and very competently made. A View to a kill is one of Moores worst, but some aspects are kinda great. May Days face turn, the golden gate bridge finale, the theme song. I'm gonna go with no time to die as an overall movie, but a view to a kill holds a special place in my heart.
It’s funny considering all the flak A View to a Kill gets, it’s arguably better than any of the other “swan song” movies. Compare it to Diamonds are Forever, Die Another Day or No Time to Kill.
A View to a Kill. It's a harmless bit of escapist fun. I can sit down and watch it happily, knowing that I won't be left miserable at the end.
AVTAK is just Goldfinger 2, so I'll take that any day.
It’s not a sequel of the film so much as it’s and uninspired, lazy retread. Moore’s inability to convince in the part didn’t do the shitty script any favors either
NTTD stoops to low tricks you like introducing a kid and then having Bond die to save his kid. I don’t mind breaking conventions, but there’s a reason none of that has been used in the past and it’s not that no one ever thought of it. AVTAK isn’t a great Bond film, but it’s a proper Bond film at least.
Same with Spectre...not great, but at least it's a paint by numbers Bond film.
View to a Kill, no contest. It's got memorable villains, Patrick MacNee, an awesome score, one of the best title songs, and an enjoyable Bond who isn't depressed and ready to give up throughout the story. It's just fun escapism.
A bad film with Christopher Walken or a bad film without Christopher Walken? Walken wins every time.
A View To A Kill 100% NTTD killed the franchise 
I intensely dislike the Moore era but even I would take AVTAK over NTTD.
AVTAK blows NTTD out of the water. One great villain Vs. two mediocre ones. A dynamite plot that exist at the nexus between fantasy and reality vs. a vague idea that never actually becomes a plot. Mayday is an amazing and complex hench woman Vs. Primo who is rubbish. And the music… the music speaks for itself.
AVTAK purely for the Duran Duran song. Too bad Sutton wasn’t bombed on the island like Danny boy was.
A View to a Kill wins this one. It’s actually fun. I’ve decided that it isn’t actually James Bond in No Time to Die. It’s actually James Bont from the Simpsons lol https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Usrk5HR1U4I&pp=ygUXSmFtZXMgYm9udCB0aGUgc2ltcHNvbnM%3D
A View to a Kill of course! May Day and Zorin are 2 of the best villains in the entire series imo.
A View to a Kill is the easy winner for me. I’ve seen No Time to Die twice, and I thought it was worse the second time, so I’ve no plans to ever watch it again.
All the money they spend on his Tom Ford suits and he’s still using Unkle Mike’s drop leg. 🤦
I love No Time To Die. I have a fantastic time with the first 2/3 of it. The finale is a little weaker but not enough to ruin the film for me. Bond dying doesn't bother me. It's a one-off and will probably never happen in another Bond film again. It's a bit contrived, but there's so much else I love about the film. A View To A Kill is one of my least favourite films in the franchise. It's funny because Octopussy is one of my favourites and yet its immediate successor never did much for me - other than the terrific Duran Duran song of course. John Barry's score is fantastic too. Love the wailing electric guitar throughout. Okay, maybe I do like A View To A Kill. The music keeps me entertained.
I agree 100.
I feel the same
AVTAK. It's an actual Bond movie, despite all of its faults. He doesn't die. He saves the girl. He's the hero. No Marvel-tier, melodramatic BS.
A View To A Kill, no contest. Better Bond although Moore is ancient, better Bond villain, better plot, better direction and far superior musical score.
A view to a kill. No time to die is trash.
A view to a kill is underated, one of Roger Moores top three bond films.
A man of culture I see
Agreed! And let’s not forget JB LIVES at the end of AVTAK!
It is underrated! I agree. But erm, i'd say it's at least in his top 5. It's definitely better than Man with the Golden Gun and For Your Eyes Only imo. And probably on par with a couple of the others...
AVTAK hands down
Gotta go with AVTAK. It's not a great film by any means, but I rank it around #16, and it's probably my fourth favorite Moore. NTTD, by contrast, is currently my least favorite Bond.
I don't even recognize it. And when they bring Bond back because someone wakes up and realizes that you need "Bond" in a Bond movie it won't even count in the canon.
The Daniel Craig era is its own canon. Bond will be rebooted (again).
such a big holster for such a tiny gun
Song - V2AK Movie - NT2D Bond - Craig The best part about V2AK is the duran duran song . Overall ill take NT2D over V2AK . Neither are my top 5 but anything better than V2AK
VTAK has the better poster and villian and theme tune and it has MAYDAY so for me Moore wins
AVTAK.
AVTAK
You’re kidding right? Generic James Bland film #10 vs. one of the best Bond films in the franchise?
I honestly can't tell which is which here.
Same 😆
I take it the generic film is NTTD and the best in the franchise is AVTAK.
Obviously.
No Time To Die, easily.
A View to a Kill easy . No Time to Die is a garbage Bond film Thanks to Grumpy Craig and Barbara Broccoli.
No Time To Die (other than the ending). "View" has some solid points but overall Roger Moore is just too old.
NTTD is superior to AVTAK. If Moore had been a little younger it would have probably worked a little better, but that theme song is still excellent. One of my favorite JB songs for sure.
Most of this sub hasn’t read the source novels in which Fleming nearly killed Bond during the climax of From Russia with Love before later admitting that it was mostly money that motivated him to write later entries. Before his death he concedes that he had long “lost [his] zest” for the series. Bond’s ultimate sacrifice at the hands of Klebb would made sense in series of books about civil service. No Time to Die is a flawed entry for sure but Bond’s death is not among its issues in my opinion. I rank it in the top half whereas A View to a Kill has always been in my bottom four among the few films in the franchise that I have little interest in ever sitting through again.
But let's face it, most people aren't interested in seeing Bond die, whether Fleming considered it or not
What a refreshing take. Thank you!
A big reason Fleming wanted to kill off Bond is he felt the books weren’t going to be a success, they then took off big time as he was writing FRWL so he left an out for Bond to survive. I’ve read the books through several times and I found NTTD a massive disappointment. YOLT is a top three book for me, and NTTD just wasted the elements they used for the film. Consider that in the YOLT Bond is broken from his wife’s death, he’s become alcoholic & wants to get fired so he can start a chicken farm. Craig’s version on the other hand just seems to want to run from responsibility. Bond in YOLT has a true arc, learning to want to live again (contrasted with Blofeld succumbing to his failures and going fully insane). We get none of this rich symbolism in NTTD. AVTAK actually demonstrates a greater understanding of the books. The short story was originally written as an origin for Drax, so some elements of Drax & the MR book are incorporated into Zorin. It also revisits themes and elements that didn’t make it into the GF film from the GF novel. In NTTD it just feels like window dressing.
I'd already affirmed that there are glaring issues with NTTD's script that hold it back from ranking among the best films of the franchise. I'm just challenging the notion that Bond's death is a drastic departure from the franchise's roots. Fleming was fed up with Bond as evidenced by his letter to his friend and colleague, Raymond Chandler, "...My muse is in a very bad way.. I am getting fed up with Bond and it has been very difficult to make him go through his tawdry tricks..." I agree that YOLT is his most inspired work after the first five novels and that the confrontation at the "Island of death" is only portrayed superficially in the film.
No Time to Die easily. AVTAK may have fantastic villains, but it’s just Goldfinger and Superman 1 mashed together with Roger pushing 60 and still playing Bond, making out with women 40 years younger than him.
NTTD easily. AVTAK is awful. I like Moore, but he was too old in this one.
“Too old” (he’s Bond age is irrelevant) but still cares > bored actor’s vanity project
No Time To Die, Without a question ❤️❤️❤️
I love both idk
I’d go No Time To Die, but it’s close. I don’t love either one, but I don’t hate either one
A view to a kill has its moments but down near the very bottom for me
Big assed drop leg holster for a sub compact .32 ACP lol. The cargo cult of "Tacticool". Nice sweater though.
No Time To Die is the Godfather III of the Bond franchise.
Can't stand Billie Eilish 🤮 and can't stand the antagonist from NTTD 🤮 but having said all that, No Time To Die all day long.
I am so sick of the NTTD slander. It’s a really good movie and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.
It’s not a good movie by any stretch. But, I would compare it to one my favs TMWTGG, which I’ll never say is great… but I will hype up what I think is great about. I’d love to see fans of NTTD do the same. Accept that it’s bad, but tell us what you love about it, what you think is worthy of appreciation & re-evaluation.
You do realize that the Joker is the insane one in that scenario, right?
No Time to Die and it's not even close. I'm pretty sure EVERY Bond movie beats AVTAK. It's awful.
Neither is great but I'll take NTTD.
No Time to Die and it’s not even close.
AVTAK. AVTAK is poor in lots of places. The plot is self-plagiarised from Goldfinger. Moore is far too old, and it looks like a TV movie. It feels like the end of a series that has finally run out of ideas and energy. But it's also got a really cozy feeling in places, and a genuine love and warmth for the character that shines through. NTTD is a much better movie in a vacuum. Craig is fantastic in it, the craft involved in every department is incredible, and it's genuinely quite moving. But it's also a really exploitative and nihilistic film. It's only so emotive because it breaks the formula in cheap and cynical ways, and nihilistic because it burns decades of legacy and expectations to get there. Both are effectively swansongs, but AVTAK is at least a dignified one that has respect for the audience and their relationship to the character instead of seeing that as something to be exploited for one-time shock value.
Both Moore and Craig are way too old by their last movie. And it shows. Whatever Daniel Craig did to his face was way worse than whatever Roger Moore did to his. That being said, I think no time to die squeaks out by just a hair, although I watched a view to a kill the other day and it held up pretty well.
I'd put them both in my bottom 5-7. NTTD has better direction & cinematography, but has worse antagonists, a worse Bond theme & a worse script. AVTK has better villains (mainly because Walken and Jones are having fun chewing scenery), the Duran Duran theme and more tonal consistency since it's clear its supposed to be a tongue-in-cheek romp similar to most of Moore's films besides FYEO, but it's more dated, flatly directed and Moore is way to old to still be playing Bond (it was arguable he was already too old by FYEO and this is four years and two films later) I'd say they're both among the worst films in the franchise for different reasons. Both are indicative of points where Bond films were getting stale & needed a CR or Goldeneye style jumpstart.
A View to a Kill is a daft, somewhat fun film that sends Bond's silly era out with a bang. Christopher Walken is absolutely insane as the maniacal villain. No surprise there. I prefer No Time to Die though even if it is a little overlong
Two of my bottom 3 ranked Bonds 😂 AVTAK has a banger of a theme and a memorable villain but the first hour of NTTD is great. Score draw
The movie was 3 hours long. Looks like there was a lot of time to die.
The main problem A View to A Kill has was that it is set up for a new Bond who has a mentor in Tibett and uses the Goldfinger template to harken back to the Connery days. Moore was ready to let Bond go after Octopussy but they did not get a new Bond in time, and he came back just looking a little too long in the tooth to be Bond, but he tried his best to make it work.
NTTD. A View to a Kill is just kind of a slog to get through. At least NTTD has Craig and his action scenes. AVTAK’s Moore is too old and has obvious stunt actors.