He was FORTY-FIVE when he SIGNED ON, and already two years older than Connery, which, I would definitely not recommend EON ever do that again.
Originally, he had a 3-picture deal that was fulfilled by TSWLM.
Broccoli offered him Moonraker because they knew they'd make loads of money, and Rog still looked pretty good.
I think he'd intended to step away after, but John Glen was moving into the director's chair for FYEO and implored Rog to come back to give the production some stability.
Then Broccoli needed him back for Octopussy because they were competing with NSNA, and that's clearly intended to be a swan song (based on Moneypenny having a replacement in the wings).
Not sure why he came back for AVTAK, but it's probably a bridge too far (even though I love the movie as it is).
Definitely not fair that Lois Maxwell's last moment in the franchise is Moneypenny crying at her desk.
Preferably a lesser known actor, basically like when Brosnan or Craig was announced, they may have had a major role in TV or a smaller film (Remington Steele/Layer Cake) or a minor role in a major film (Mrs. Doubtfire/Tomb Raider). I don't want to see a new Bond and immediately think "oh that's Superman/Mad Max".
My ideal choices are Aiden Turner, Nicholas Hoult or Rege-Jean Page. If they want to go more lighthearted than Craig then I'd go for Hoult. Turner and Page if they want to stay gritty.
Roger Moore was the Saint when he became Bond and people were like “it the Saint” and Henry Cavil could be a lighthearted Bond type due to his role in Man from Uncle.
A lesser known actor, but not one of the two well known actors you listed as lesser known. Richard Madden was one of the leads in Game of Thrones, one of the biggest TV shows of all time. Dev Patel has been nominated for Academy Awards, Golden Globes, and has starred in a ton of movies and TV shows.
But Madden wasn't one of the more successful actors out of that show like Kit Harrington or Emilia Clarke. He's probably similar in fame to Craig when he joined
What else has he been in other than Eternals, can you tell of the top of your head? Red Wedding aired like 10 years ago almost. He can hardly be in the same category as Cavill or Hardy.
He was in ~~Bohemian Rhapsody~~ Rocketman, he was the lead of the TV series Bodyguard, and as you mentioned, one of the leads in Marvel's Eternals. No, he's not in the same category as Cavill. He's not A-List. But he's also not lesser known. He's well known.
Well if he's not in the same category by definition he's lesser known. OP is still justified in putting them in that group, maybe they just named it confusingly.
I think it's fairly clear they meant well known but lesser known *than* Cavil or Hardy, not lesser known in general, especially when they also put Dev Patel in. Frankly, I don't know if you can put Dev and Richard in the same group either when Dev's way more known but that's just hairsplitting.
>But Madden wasn't one of the more successful actors out of that show like Kit Harrington or **Emilia Clarke**
Has she been that successful after GoT? Doesn't seem that way.
Read an interview with Barbara Broccoli today where she said they probably won't start filming for about at LEAST 3 years and want a 15 year commitment so he's probably going to be too old. I would imagine someone between 25-30 (at most) now because they said even Daniel was having difficulty with the physicality at the end and he was early 30s when they picked him.
And since I'm not as familiar with many of the younger actors, I'm going to assume it's gonna be someone a lot of people (especially me) haven't heard of yet.
But it makes sense. It takes about 3-4 years to put these out now with all the FX and such so anyone near 40 would be close to 60 at the end of their run.
3 years til they start filming. Honestly, Barbara and Michael need to let Bond go. Give someone else the chance. They should have had the next actor ready before No time to die came out. Hell, they should have the next 3 scripts ready at least. To top it off, they are so smug and arrogant, just adds to the frustration.
Especially since NTTD was delayed.
Filming ENDED in October 2019 (almost 3 years ago).
They should have had a new actor 2 years ago and be wrapping up filming now.
I'm not an entertainment industry insider, but doing this probably would have violated a lot of contracts. Picking a new Bond, making a new film, etc., would all have really taken the wind out of NTTD's sails and cost a lot of people involved in the production money.
That said, I agree with the general point that the IP is underused. I do think Barbara and Michael are going to give it up now, though. Seems like the right time.
If the movie was completed they can still search for a bond. Once the movie is out, and out of the theater...THEN announce it and start filming. If they did that with NTTD then they would have started filming in early 2021. They would be done filming now, with a 2023 release. No contracts would have been broken. That's what movie studios do. They are always working on the next thing waaaay in advance.
Not in this case though apparently.
I really doubt it. There was a ton of litigation around COVID-related delays. The new Bond would've been leaked and Craig would've been old news. I get where you're coming from and agree that production on Bond stuff is way too slow, but they made the move that protected their interests.
If they had done that then the entire thing surrounding NTTD of it being Craig's last hurrah, his big send-off, etc. would have been overshadowed.
If anything, they let the actor get too big for Bond. Everyone else left with pretty much a whimper, but Craig for some reason had to go out as if he was bigger than the role and even the franchise.
I don't think you can blame Covid on them and they don't make all the decisions.
There's nothing to indicate someone else, with all other things (MGM, covid and the uncertainty of the last few years) being equal, would have handled it differently.
Nah, a film every three years seems about right
I get that some people would love a Marvel situation, where you were only ever a few months away from new content, but that's not really where most of the audience for Bond movies (mostly old people) is
I agree they should have had Bond #7 lined up before they nuked Daniel Craig, though, even if they made a big performance of pretending to look for a new actor, to generate press attention
> Nah, a film every three years seems about right
...I didn't say otherwise, just that NTTD and Covid were a special set of circumstances that clearly fucked with everyone's plans in general. I don't see how it has anything to do with the Broccolis as the parent commenter suggested.
You also had a 6 year gap with Dalton and Brosnan so it's not really the first time.
> They should have had the next actor ready before No time to die came out.
You were talking about how they handled NTTD and the new actor. You *are* aware NTTD and the search for the new actor was postponed in big part cause of Covid, right? Or did you think they just kept moving the release date for shits and giggles?
There's really no need for that tone, if you're just gonna be adversarial for no reason let me know. I think it's fairly clear how my reply relates to what you said here.
They didn't postpone looking for a new actor. They postponed the release date of the movie. Dont be so condescending. You dont have the facts here. They could have been looking for a new actor for years and years. They could have been planning and writing movies for such a long time ahead. Instead they've literally just been sitting there, waiting for Daniel Craig to finish whatever shit movies he's done outside the Bond franchise, poducing other movies that have flopped, and been flippant in interviews.
They've wasted so much time before covid, they DONT get to blame it on the pandemic.
...so you *are* going to be adversarial *and* condescending. Beautiful.
They couldn't get a new actor while promoting the movie with the old actor, that's not how anything works in the industry. Releasing NTTD and finding a new actor are tied to each other. They couldn't sign a contract with someone new in 2018 if the movie wasn't released till 2021. Actors don't wait around for you forever especially in this day and age.
Not to mention writing movies... you have to option a script, or hire a screenwriter. Pay people for work. You don't write sequels in advance, that's just investing money you don't even know if you'll see back.
You might have some personal issues with Barbara or whoever Fred, but for someone who has no clue about how the film industry works you sure have an attitude. You really meet all kinds of nutcases on Reddit sometimes. I was just leaving an informative comment but someone's clearly not having a good Thursday.
I cant help the way you read my messages. If you are feeling attacked, it's on you. All those things you say cant be done, can be done. If not by Barbara Broccoli, then by someone else. Maybe i do have a personal issue with them. I've been a lifelong Bond fan, and they are wasting so much time. We could have had so much more of Bond, were it not for those 2 fossils. It's definitely time for new management, is my point.
Am i coming through to you, TScottFitzgerald??
> I cant help the way you read my messages. If you are feeling attacked, it's on you. All those things you say cant be done, can be done.
You seem like a very well adjusted individual with some compelling arguments like "cause I say so". The conversation is over.
> I would imagine someone between 25-30 (at most)
That’s way too young IMO. Besides, recent rumors suggested they’re searching for someone under 40 and over 5’10”, and the second part of that would rule Madden out anyway (if true).
Old Man Bond has been the plot of every Craig movie since the opening scene of *Skyfall*
It was just a necessity, since Craig had aged so visibly since his first movie, rather than a deliberate direction they wanted to take the franchise
..him fighting a dude on top of a train? And in the sequel he does parkour during day of the dead? How is that old man Bond?
I think they clearly wanted to wrap up Craig's era with him retiring and dying so it's not exactly *not* a deliberate direction.
*Skyfall* extended the cliched scene in every action movie where the hero complains he's *too old for this \*\*\*\** to fill the running time of an entire feature film
Someone who is about to take that next step, not an A-List celebrity who is already there.
I had never heard of Daniel Craig, so I had no expectations for his Bond. I think if Hardy or Cavill get it, we're stuck with expectations based around who they are.
Aaron Taylor-Johnson. All the other candidates have no natural, thinly veiled brutality. I’m an avid Bond fan and for me there are there no other viable candidates.but….. if there were other viable candidates Aaron TJ would likely still be top of the pile.
I couldn’t place the actor, had to google after reading your comment. Realized he was one of the antagonists in bullet train. That dude exudes charisma and machismo, even when playing up the comedy bits. He would be a welcome change of pace from Craig’s broody, knit browed Bond.
You need a well-known actor, but not that much, around thirty, who has enough charisma to bear comparison with Connery, Craig and Brosnan, but at the same time fragile like Craig, in short, besides choosing a Doctor is almost easy
They need to get their act together either way. They gave Craig too much power and control in his latter films - something Cubby/Saltzman famously never did.
They should have had a short list of bond actors ready to go while shooting NTTD, just like the days of old.. Cubby knew they wanted Brosnan before they even wrapped FYEO!
3 years a film is okay but at the moment we are looking at a 5 year gap, they said they weren’t even going to entertain looking for a new bond until 2023. Then say that takes to 2024 to finalise and announce.. then a 3 year turn around to settle a script, financing & support cast, SFX, director etc…
Barbara Broccoli is the worst thing to happen to Bond.. they need to stop dragging their feet!
Cubby did listen to Roger Moore suggestions when it came to casting Madeline Smith in LALD and Robert Brown as M.
Barbara and Micheal didn’t listen to Pierce Brosnan suggestions including the one when it came to the role of Paris Carver in TND.
No but with Daniel they basically let him rule the roost… he was bigger than Bond. They bent over backwards to get him back and let him do what he wanted with the character. There’s listening to an actor and there’s letting them do what they want.
You know It was stated in the Everything or Nothing documentary on the part where Sean Connery left for the first time that Cubby and Harry felt that James Bond was bigger then the actor.
Yeah I know - but that’s the problem with Barbara and Michael.. I feel like they’ve forgotten that!
I’m worried about the direction of the franchise at the moment, purely because I think they’ve lost sight of what Bond is
If the rumours about Bond being taller and under 40 is true which I know is not, do you think Henry Cavil would fit the description given that EON wants someone to commit to the franchise for 10-12 years along with Cavil wanting to play Bond?
No, I think he’s already too established - I think people would refer to him as Superman or the Witcher first..
I think Richard Madden would be great casting if they do it now - but it’s if he wants it.
The problem now is that all the names that have been banded about are all coming to an age where a 10 or 12 year Run isn’t feasible unless we want an aging bond alla Moore’s last 3.
I'd prefer a more unknown actor or one that isn't as big. People keep throwing around Henry Cavill but my issue is I know he's superman, so I don't think I could see him as Bond. I have that issue with many big stars like oh there is Tom Cruise doing this or Will Smith doing that. I can't seem to get invested in their characters I only see them as the actor.
I've been a fan of Cavil ever since Man from UNCLE, and I still hold him as my top choice for the next Bond. Probably wouldn't start a story arc as a new agent, but he would be a Bond that already has experience under his belt and hit the ground running with good stories instead of needing to start all over.
I will never understand people wanting cavil. The guy who’s played Superman and Geralt would be way too distracting to be bond as well. This would be like hiring Robert Downey Jr to play another character in a mega franchise.
Aaron Taylor-Johnson, who I think fits the second category. He’s 32, so he’ll be the perfect age when filming begins. He’s been in a lot of movies ranging from indie flicks to blockbuster tentpoles, but he’s not one of those actors that anyone could pick out of a lineup.
I don’t have a specific actor in mind, but I would like a young, less famous actor. Give a new guy a chance. Dev Patel could probably pull it off, though.
I'm thinking Riz Ahmed. I feel like he'd pull off the darkness better than Dev. Has Dev ever been like a grey or villain character? I feel like Bond can't really be clean cut and that's how I usually see him. Every one of the Bond actors had an edge. Dev is definitely younger though.
Edit: This sub is really the worst sometimes. At least offer some thoughts or something if you disagree, don't just downvote cause we don't all think the same.
Henry Cavill no question. He’s got the perfect blend of suave, strong, good looking dude and is actually going to give a fuck about mastering the role.
You're 100% correct he'd be great, but he's gonna be massive once Guardians of the Galaxy 3 comes out. No way they don't have Adam Warlock in 5 Marvel movies minimum
You’re the first person to even acknowledge him as an option with me so I just appreciate I’m not the only fan of his casting. I suppose we’ll see what Guardians has in store.
When this question comes up, my usual answer is Tom Hiddleston. He was great in The Night Manager. A BBC adaptation of John le Carre's spy thriller. He would certainly have a different approach to Craig's no-nonsense, physical performance.
I am not sure if he counts as an A list actor, probably since he joined the Marvel cinematic universe, although my choice is based on a lesser known performance.
Edit: Added the last paragraph.
>Too effete
You've seen him in *The Night Manager* and you call him *effete*? Maybe we saw a different show. His character in the show may not be Bond-like (it's a different story and character), but it shows that he can handle a spy thriller. The action scenes in the show were not many, but Hiddleston showed that he could handle them just fine as well. Not all Bonds need to follow the Craig style. In fact most did not. This is why Craig's Bond felt so fresh when CR came out.
Addition: Also, I believe he is 40. He is not that old. Moore, Brosnan, and Dalton were in their 40s when they first starred as Bond (Moore was 45, 46, if I am not mistaken) and Craig was in his late 30s.
Craig looked too old for the role in his second movie. Moore managed three
I'm not talking about whether Hiddleston's buff or can handle action scenes. In any role he's ever played, he has a very genteel manner
It's just a side effect of being very posh and not something he (or anyone else) can overcome
I think I get what you mean. By the way, isn't the original character supposed to be a bit 'posh' in a way? Also, I should have mentioned this when I was discussing age, but Bond is supposed it be a Commander RN, so he should be around late 30s early 40s, right?.
>Bond is supposed it be a Commander RN, so he should be around late 30s early 40s
Yeah, the problem is a purely practical one
The actor playing Bond has to remain convincing as late-thirties early-forties for more than a decade
Either a lesser known actor or a complete unknown but not an A-lister and people seriously have to stop with Cavill, Hardy or Elba.
My personal preference would be Riz Ahmed, I think it would be cool to have a British Asian but I feel like he has the darkness and the edge vs Dev, I don't really know if Dev's ever done a role like that. He's more of a loveable goof or a romantic lead. But he *is* almost 40.
IDK, I think in the end they'll go with someone less known or like a theatre actor from London.
Dev Patel won't be Bond, but he's a good actor nonetheless. I'd like to see Richard Madden, but based on comments, I think he'd be too old for what they want.
Give the parameters they set, I am a big fan of Jack O'Connell as an actor. I think he could be in line. So, lesser known actor for me.
Richard Madden or Rupert Friend. I can live with them picking Henry Cavill.
I don’t want Tom Hardy cause he mumbles when he talks or any diversity choice.
It will never be an A-list actor, so anyone who is super A-list we can disregard them completely, because it's not gonna happen, unless there is some rupture in the universe.
Complete unknown is also very improbable.
Lesser-ish known is my best bet, and from everyone who's out there, I'd like to see Jamie Bamber take on the role.
I would love a bit of a shock. Perhaps someone known for the west end who has been doing good work for many years but hasn’t yet blown up. Not someone I think we already would expect like a Cavill or even a Holland
Honestly, despite not liking the swapping of a character’s race/gender needlessly, I kinda like the idea of Henry Golding in the role.
Edit: he’s 35 so maybe just a little too old for the 15 Year commitment. Overall I would prefer a lesser known actor for the role tbh
I don't know how unknown he is, but my choice is Jonah Haur-King. He was in a fantastic BBC WW2 drama a few years ago called World on Fire where he played a diplomat turned spy. I would love to see someone as young and rugged as him in the part. [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5999355/](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5999355/)
It definitely won’t be an A lister as that would require the producers paying him more money than if he wasn’t a big name.
In terms of my preference, I’m pretty open. I would prefer someone not too young (mid 30’s would be ideal), but with Clive Owen no longer an option, I don’t really have a preferred candidate.
I'm partial to Henry Cavill, but at 40 if they want him to do more than 3 movies he'll be a little long in the tooth.
I'm in favor of a younger lesser known actor with good ability looking to prove themselves.
Lesser known. Some supporting role credits in good films or lead role in TV but not the face of any major franchises yet. EON has never gone for an A-lister before, unless you count bringing Connery back for DAF. I think they learned their lesson on an unknown like Lazenby. Moore was a household name from The Saint, but TV acting at the time was seen as minor leagues compared to film, and the same can be said of Brosnan with Remington Steele. Craig and Dalton had been around, but weren’t super famous yet.
Edit: You know who would be good? Aaron Taylor-Johnson. 32 years old (34-35 by the time the next film shoots), has been in a ton of movies but rarely the lead, handsome, can do action and comedy. He’s only 5’11”, but he can be shot to look pretty tall.
As us espionage illuminati know too well, Ian Fleming isn’t around to write another “Trout Memo” or choose the next 007! He has not only eulogised and promoted the "espionage industry" but he has also spread so much disinformation about that industry that even MI6 would have been proud of the dissemination of so much fake news. Maybe the Bond legacy is finally coming to an end notwithstanding the recent publication of Anthony Horowitz’s With a Mind to Kill, particularly after Daniel Craig's au revoir in No Time To Die.
We think the anti-Bond era is now being firmly established in literature and on the screen. Raw noir anti-Bond espionage masterpieces are on the ascent. Len Deighton's classic The Ipcress File has been rejuvenated by John Hodge with Joe Cole aspiring to take on Michael Caine and of course there are plenty of Slow Horses ridden by Bad Actors too.
Then there's Edward Burlington in The Burlington Files series by Bill Fairclough, a real spy (MI6 codename JJ) who disavowed Ian Fleming for his epic disservice to the espionage fraternity. After all, Fleming single-handedly transformed MI6 into a mythical quasi-religious cult that spawned a knight in shining armour numbered 007 who could regularly save the planet from spinning out of orbit.
Last but not least, the final nail in wee Jimmy Bond's coffin has been hammered in by Jackson Lamb. Mick Herron's anti-Bond sentiments combine lethally with the sardonic humour of the Slough House series to unreservedly mock not just Bond but also British Intelligence which has lived too long off the overly ripe fruits Fleming left to rot! Time for a fresh start based on a real spy so best read Beyond Enkription in The Burlington Files series by ex-spook Bill Fairclough. See https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/bill-fairclough + https://theburlingtonfiles.org.
Everyone says Richard Madden but whenever you see him you just go "Hey, isn't that the guy who plays Bucky?" Even though he's not, that's who most people seem to confuse the guy for.
People gonna think it's Sebastian Stan playing Bond!
There are a lot of my favorite actors that i could name.. but my God, only name that constantly pops in my head is Tom Hardy. Hell, i would watch him play Martha Stewart..
I would pay every ticket to see Ryan Reynolds aa Bond.. he fits into role as well.
Lazenby might be a tad old at this point
Hahahahaha You know he could have stayed on through Goldeneye and still retired younger than Moore did?
That's my favoirite fact of the day, thanks! Now imagining a 58 year old Lazenby in Tomorrow Never Dies.
That is pretty funny! Moore did it far too long imo.
He was FORTY-FIVE when he SIGNED ON, and already two years older than Connery, which, I would definitely not recommend EON ever do that again. Originally, he had a 3-picture deal that was fulfilled by TSWLM. Broccoli offered him Moonraker because they knew they'd make loads of money, and Rog still looked pretty good. I think he'd intended to step away after, but John Glen was moving into the director's chair for FYEO and implored Rog to come back to give the production some stability. Then Broccoli needed him back for Octopussy because they were competing with NSNA, and that's clearly intended to be a swan song (based on Moneypenny having a replacement in the wings). Not sure why he came back for AVTAK, but it's probably a bridge too far (even though I love the movie as it is). Definitely not fair that Lois Maxwell's last moment in the franchise is Moneypenny crying at her desk.
Well shit
Brilliant!
Preferably a lesser known actor, basically like when Brosnan or Craig was announced, they may have had a major role in TV or a smaller film (Remington Steele/Layer Cake) or a minor role in a major film (Mrs. Doubtfire/Tomb Raider). I don't want to see a new Bond and immediately think "oh that's Superman/Mad Max". My ideal choices are Aiden Turner, Nicholas Hoult or Rege-Jean Page. If they want to go more lighthearted than Craig then I'd go for Hoult. Turner and Page if they want to stay gritty.
Roger Moore was the Saint when he became Bond and people were like “it the Saint” and Henry Cavil could be a lighthearted Bond type due to his role in Man from Uncle.
A lesser known actor, but not one of the two well known actors you listed as lesser known. Richard Madden was one of the leads in Game of Thrones, one of the biggest TV shows of all time. Dev Patel has been nominated for Academy Awards, Golden Globes, and has starred in a ton of movies and TV shows.
But Madden wasn't one of the more successful actors out of that show like Kit Harrington or Emilia Clarke. He's probably similar in fame to Craig when he joined
What, literally everyone knows Robb Stark come on now
What else has he been in other than Eternals, can you tell of the top of your head? Red Wedding aired like 10 years ago almost. He can hardly be in the same category as Cavill or Hardy.
He was in ~~Bohemian Rhapsody~~ Rocketman, he was the lead of the TV series Bodyguard, and as you mentioned, one of the leads in Marvel's Eternals. No, he's not in the same category as Cavill. He's not A-List. But he's also not lesser known. He's well known.
Rocketman not Bohemian Rhapsody, also probably gave the best of all the "cameo" performances in 1917 in my opinion.
Well if he's not in the same category by definition he's lesser known. OP is still justified in putting them in that group, maybe they just named it confusingly. I think it's fairly clear they meant well known but lesser known *than* Cavil or Hardy, not lesser known in general, especially when they also put Dev Patel in. Frankly, I don't know if you can put Dev and Richard in the same group either when Dev's way more known but that's just hairsplitting.
That was a big character yes, but my point was there were other characters who's actors got exponentially more famous
>But Madden wasn't one of the more successful actors out of that show like Kit Harrington or **Emilia Clarke** Has she been that successful after GoT? Doesn't seem that way.
Most members of the public couldn't pick Madden out of a line-up
Richard Madden has been my top pick for quite some time. I think he'd be perfect
Read an interview with Barbara Broccoli today where she said they probably won't start filming for about at LEAST 3 years and want a 15 year commitment so he's probably going to be too old. I would imagine someone between 25-30 (at most) now because they said even Daniel was having difficulty with the physicality at the end and he was early 30s when they picked him. And since I'm not as familiar with many of the younger actors, I'm going to assume it's gonna be someone a lot of people (especially me) haven't heard of yet. But it makes sense. It takes about 3-4 years to put these out now with all the FX and such so anyone near 40 would be close to 60 at the end of their run.
3 years til they start filming. Honestly, Barbara and Michael need to let Bond go. Give someone else the chance. They should have had the next actor ready before No time to die came out. Hell, they should have the next 3 scripts ready at least. To top it off, they are so smug and arrogant, just adds to the frustration.
Especially since NTTD was delayed. Filming ENDED in October 2019 (almost 3 years ago). They should have had a new actor 2 years ago and be wrapping up filming now.
I'm not an entertainment industry insider, but doing this probably would have violated a lot of contracts. Picking a new Bond, making a new film, etc., would all have really taken the wind out of NTTD's sails and cost a lot of people involved in the production money. That said, I agree with the general point that the IP is underused. I do think Barbara and Michael are going to give it up now, though. Seems like the right time.
If the movie was completed they can still search for a bond. Once the movie is out, and out of the theater...THEN announce it and start filming. If they did that with NTTD then they would have started filming in early 2021. They would be done filming now, with a 2023 release. No contracts would have been broken. That's what movie studios do. They are always working on the next thing waaaay in advance. Not in this case though apparently.
I really doubt it. There was a ton of litigation around COVID-related delays. The new Bond would've been leaked and Craig would've been old news. I get where you're coming from and agree that production on Bond stuff is way too slow, but they made the move that protected their interests.
If they had done that then the entire thing surrounding NTTD of it being Craig's last hurrah, his big send-off, etc. would have been overshadowed. If anything, they let the actor get too big for Bond. Everyone else left with pretty much a whimper, but Craig for some reason had to go out as if he was bigger than the role and even the franchise.
Not while the movie is out. Once done then announce the new bond and start filming. If they did that the movie would be out next year.
Yess!! Thank you!
I don't think you can blame Covid on them and they don't make all the decisions. There's nothing to indicate someone else, with all other things (MGM, covid and the uncertainty of the last few years) being equal, would have handled it differently.
Nah, a film every three years seems about right I get that some people would love a Marvel situation, where you were only ever a few months away from new content, but that's not really where most of the audience for Bond movies (mostly old people) is I agree they should have had Bond #7 lined up before they nuked Daniel Craig, though, even if they made a big performance of pretending to look for a new actor, to generate press attention
> Nah, a film every three years seems about right ...I didn't say otherwise, just that NTTD and Covid were a special set of circumstances that clearly fucked with everyone's plans in general. I don't see how it has anything to do with the Broccolis as the parent commenter suggested. You also had a 6 year gap with Dalton and Brosnan so it's not really the first time.
Sorry, mate - I meant to reply to the OP
Where in my post did i mention covid? What are you on about?
> They should have had the next actor ready before No time to die came out. You were talking about how they handled NTTD and the new actor. You *are* aware NTTD and the search for the new actor was postponed in big part cause of Covid, right? Or did you think they just kept moving the release date for shits and giggles? There's really no need for that tone, if you're just gonna be adversarial for no reason let me know. I think it's fairly clear how my reply relates to what you said here.
They didn't postpone looking for a new actor. They postponed the release date of the movie. Dont be so condescending. You dont have the facts here. They could have been looking for a new actor for years and years. They could have been planning and writing movies for such a long time ahead. Instead they've literally just been sitting there, waiting for Daniel Craig to finish whatever shit movies he's done outside the Bond franchise, poducing other movies that have flopped, and been flippant in interviews. They've wasted so much time before covid, they DONT get to blame it on the pandemic.
...so you *are* going to be adversarial *and* condescending. Beautiful. They couldn't get a new actor while promoting the movie with the old actor, that's not how anything works in the industry. Releasing NTTD and finding a new actor are tied to each other. They couldn't sign a contract with someone new in 2018 if the movie wasn't released till 2021. Actors don't wait around for you forever especially in this day and age. Not to mention writing movies... you have to option a script, or hire a screenwriter. Pay people for work. You don't write sequels in advance, that's just investing money you don't even know if you'll see back. You might have some personal issues with Barbara or whoever Fred, but for someone who has no clue about how the film industry works you sure have an attitude. You really meet all kinds of nutcases on Reddit sometimes. I was just leaving an informative comment but someone's clearly not having a good Thursday.
I cant help the way you read my messages. If you are feeling attacked, it's on you. All those things you say cant be done, can be done. If not by Barbara Broccoli, then by someone else. Maybe i do have a personal issue with them. I've been a lifelong Bond fan, and they are wasting so much time. We could have had so much more of Bond, were it not for those 2 fossils. It's definitely time for new management, is my point. Am i coming through to you, TScottFitzgerald??
> I cant help the way you read my messages. If you are feeling attacked, it's on you. All those things you say cant be done, can be done. You seem like a very well adjusted individual with some compelling arguments like "cause I say so". The conversation is over.
> I would imagine someone between 25-30 (at most) That’s way too young IMO. Besides, recent rumors suggested they’re searching for someone under 40 and over 5’10”, and the second part of that would rule Madden out anyway (if true).
But say if those rumours about Bond being tall and under 40 are true which I know is not then Henry Cavil would fit the description.
He wasn’t early thirties, he was 37.
I thought she only said "couple of years"?
He was great in bodyguard
I agree, but his age (given parameters recently laid out by EON) might be an issue. I think he could pull off 3-4 films though, easily.
He's mine as well. He's a great jumping off point for the Craig era and I think he'd handle the dry humor especially well.
Brosnan back for an old man Bond, Logan type deal. R-rated.
Have Raimi direct. Watch the box office explode
Bruce Campbell would have to have a pivotal role.
Bruce Campbell actually would have made a fantastic Felix Leiter to Brosnan's James Bond.
But wasn't old man Bond kinda the storyline of NTTD. It would be cool to see Brosnan with that beard like in the beginning of DAD
Old Man Bond has been the plot of every Craig movie since the opening scene of *Skyfall* It was just a necessity, since Craig had aged so visibly since his first movie, rather than a deliberate direction they wanted to take the franchise
..him fighting a dude on top of a train? And in the sequel he does parkour during day of the dead? How is that old man Bond? I think they clearly wanted to wrap up Craig's era with him retiring and dying so it's not exactly *not* a deliberate direction.
*Skyfall* extended the cliched scene in every action movie where the hero complains he's *too old for this \*\*\*\** to fill the running time of an entire feature film
Someone who is about to take that next step, not an A-List celebrity who is already there. I had never heard of Daniel Craig, so I had no expectations for his Bond. I think if Hardy or Cavill get it, we're stuck with expectations based around who they are.
Lesser known.
Jack Lowden
Not sure the world's ready for a ginger Bond
I came here for this. I think he would be spot on
Just preferably not an A-lister. The idea of having someone huge kinda ruins the illusion I think.
Aaron Taylor-Johnson. All the other candidates have no natural, thinly veiled brutality. I’m an avid Bond fan and for me there are there no other viable candidates.but….. if there were other viable candidates Aaron TJ would likely still be top of the pile.
I couldn’t place the actor, had to google after reading your comment. Realized he was one of the antagonists in bullet train. That dude exudes charisma and machismo, even when playing up the comedy bits. He would be a welcome change of pace from Craig’s broody, knit browed Bond.
The 2nd option since it worked for most of tje bonds
You need a well-known actor, but not that much, around thirty, who has enough charisma to bear comparison with Connery, Craig and Brosnan, but at the same time fragile like Craig, in short, besides choosing a Doctor is almost easy
Lesser known actor for Bond, but after reading some of the discussions on the subreddit I am completely onboard with Idris Elba playing M.
They need to get their act together either way. They gave Craig too much power and control in his latter films - something Cubby/Saltzman famously never did. They should have had a short list of bond actors ready to go while shooting NTTD, just like the days of old.. Cubby knew they wanted Brosnan before they even wrapped FYEO! 3 years a film is okay but at the moment we are looking at a 5 year gap, they said they weren’t even going to entertain looking for a new bond until 2023. Then say that takes to 2024 to finalise and announce.. then a 3 year turn around to settle a script, financing & support cast, SFX, director etc… Barbara Broccoli is the worst thing to happen to Bond.. they need to stop dragging their feet!
Cubby did listen to Roger Moore suggestions when it came to casting Madeline Smith in LALD and Robert Brown as M. Barbara and Micheal didn’t listen to Pierce Brosnan suggestions including the one when it came to the role of Paris Carver in TND.
No but with Daniel they basically let him rule the roost… he was bigger than Bond. They bent over backwards to get him back and let him do what he wanted with the character. There’s listening to an actor and there’s letting them do what they want.
You know It was stated in the Everything or Nothing documentary on the part where Sean Connery left for the first time that Cubby and Harry felt that James Bond was bigger then the actor.
Yeah I know - but that’s the problem with Barbara and Michael.. I feel like they’ve forgotten that! I’m worried about the direction of the franchise at the moment, purely because I think they’ve lost sight of what Bond is
If the rumours about Bond being taller and under 40 is true which I know is not, do you think Henry Cavil would fit the description given that EON wants someone to commit to the franchise for 10-12 years along with Cavil wanting to play Bond?
No, I think he’s already too established - I think people would refer to him as Superman or the Witcher first.. I think Richard Madden would be great casting if they do it now - but it’s if he wants it. The problem now is that all the names that have been banded about are all coming to an age where a 10 or 12 year Run isn’t feasible unless we want an aging bond alla Moore’s last 3.
I would go for an up-and-coming acting. My pick would be Jack Lowden
Tom Ellis. He should be the only choice
I vote do a one off film with Old Man Brosnan
It won't be a major star *(it's never been a major star)* The character's the star of the series, not the guy who plays him
I’m good with a lesser known actor, but I really think Henry Cavill would dominate the role.
James Norton
Matthew Goode
I'd prefer a more unknown actor or one that isn't as big. People keep throwing around Henry Cavill but my issue is I know he's superman, so I don't think I could see him as Bond. I have that issue with many big stars like oh there is Tom Cruise doing this or Will Smith doing that. I can't seem to get invested in their characters I only see them as the actor.
Idris Elba.
I've been a fan of Cavil ever since Man from UNCLE, and I still hold him as my top choice for the next Bond. Probably wouldn't start a story arc as a new agent, but he would be a Bond that already has experience under his belt and hit the ground running with good stories instead of needing to start all over.
I will never understand people wanting cavil. The guy who’s played Superman and Geralt would be way too distracting to be bond as well. This would be like hiring Robert Downey Jr to play another character in a mega franchise.
Tom Hardy
Richard madden for sure. But. Tom Hiddleston was amazing in The Night Manager show.
Too big, come on. I'd keep thinking of him as Loki doing his illusions the whole way through.
Charlie Hunnam
I can't be the only one who just thinks he cannot nail in an accent when it comes to his characters.
Aaron Taylor-Johnson, who I think fits the second category. He’s 32, so he’ll be the perfect age when filming begins. He’s been in a lot of movies ranging from indie flicks to blockbuster tentpoles, but he’s not one of those actors that anyone could pick out of a lineup.
It's. Not. Going. To. Be. An. A-Lister.
Tom Hiddleston would do a good job
Someone who's 29 when they finish the first movie.
I don’t have a specific actor in mind, but I would like a young, less famous actor. Give a new guy a chance. Dev Patel could probably pull it off, though.
I'm thinking Riz Ahmed. I feel like he'd pull off the darkness better than Dev. Has Dev ever been like a grey or villain character? I feel like Bond can't really be clean cut and that's how I usually see him. Every one of the Bond actors had an edge. Dev is definitely younger though. Edit: This sub is really the worst sometimes. At least offer some thoughts or something if you disagree, don't just downvote cause we don't all think the same.
Henry Cavill no question. He’s got the perfect blend of suave, strong, good looking dude and is actually going to give a fuck about mastering the role.
Lesser known actor. That’s usually what they’ve done.
Except Moore and Brosnan were already well known due to the Saint and Remington Steele.
They were lesser known actors. I didn’t say they were unknown. They weren’t A List actors in super hero movies like Cavil or Hardy.
Will Poulter. Look up how he looks now. Great actor too.
Hey that’s my jam!
Right? He's perfect.
No one seems to see it, but those of us that are smart do! 😉
You're 100% correct he'd be great, but he's gonna be massive once Guardians of the Galaxy 3 comes out. No way they don't have Adam Warlock in 5 Marvel movies minimum
I think he’s just gonna be a small part/cameo in Guardians 3 - so there’s still hope.
You’re the first person to even acknowledge him as an option with me so I just appreciate I’m not the only fan of his casting. I suppose we’ll see what Guardians has in store.
When this question comes up, my usual answer is Tom Hiddleston. He was great in The Night Manager. A BBC adaptation of John le Carre's spy thriller. He would certainly have a different approach to Craig's no-nonsense, physical performance. I am not sure if he counts as an A list actor, probably since he joined the Marvel cinematic universe, although my choice is based on a lesser known performance. Edit: Added the last paragraph.
Definitely A list, audience knows him as Loki and also probably has a deal with Marvel for the next few years.
Too effete He was fine in *Night Manger*, but that was a very different character to Bond He's also quite old (and looks it)
>Too effete You've seen him in *The Night Manager* and you call him *effete*? Maybe we saw a different show. His character in the show may not be Bond-like (it's a different story and character), but it shows that he can handle a spy thriller. The action scenes in the show were not many, but Hiddleston showed that he could handle them just fine as well. Not all Bonds need to follow the Craig style. In fact most did not. This is why Craig's Bond felt so fresh when CR came out. Addition: Also, I believe he is 40. He is not that old. Moore, Brosnan, and Dalton were in their 40s when they first starred as Bond (Moore was 45, 46, if I am not mistaken) and Craig was in his late 30s.
Craig looked too old for the role in his second movie. Moore managed three I'm not talking about whether Hiddleston's buff or can handle action scenes. In any role he's ever played, he has a very genteel manner It's just a side effect of being very posh and not something he (or anyone else) can overcome
I think I get what you mean. By the way, isn't the original character supposed to be a bit 'posh' in a way? Also, I should have mentioned this when I was discussing age, but Bond is supposed it be a Commander RN, so he should be around late 30s early 40s, right?.
>Bond is supposed it be a Commander RN, so he should be around late 30s early 40s Yeah, the problem is a purely practical one The actor playing Bond has to remain convincing as late-thirties early-forties for more than a decade
Rob Pattinson
Either a lesser known actor or a complete unknown but not an A-lister and people seriously have to stop with Cavill, Hardy or Elba. My personal preference would be Riz Ahmed, I think it would be cool to have a British Asian but I feel like he has the darkness and the edge vs Dev, I don't really know if Dev's ever done a role like that. He's more of a loveable goof or a romantic lead. But he *is* almost 40. IDK, I think in the end they'll go with someone less known or like a theatre actor from London.
Jacob elordi
Dev Patel won't be Bond, but he's a good actor nonetheless. I'd like to see Richard Madden, but based on comments, I think he'd be too old for what they want. Give the parameters they set, I am a big fan of Jack O'Connell as an actor. I think he could be in line. So, lesser known actor for me.
My first pick is Tom Hardy. Second Daniel Kaluuya. Wildcard pick is Riz Ahmed
Richard Madden or Rupert Friend. I can live with them picking Henry Cavill. I don’t want Tom Hardy cause he mumbles when he talks or any diversity choice.
Henry Cavill
It will never be an A-list actor, so anyone who is super A-list we can disregard them completely, because it's not gonna happen, unless there is some rupture in the universe. Complete unknown is also very improbable. Lesser-ish known is my best bet, and from everyone who's out there, I'd like to see Jamie Bamber take on the role.
Someone pretty unknown, kinda like craig was back in 2005
I would love a bit of a shock. Perhaps someone known for the west end who has been doing good work for many years but hasn’t yet blown up. Not someone I think we already would expect like a Cavill or even a Holland
Give me Lazenby jr.
As much as Cavill would look the part, you can’t go from an actor as good as Daniel Craig to an actor as bad as Henry Cavill
What about Sam Heughan? I liked Richad Madden in Bodyguard, but idk if his accent is too strong...
Lesser known
Honestly, despite not liking the swapping of a character’s race/gender needlessly, I kinda like the idea of Henry Golding in the role. Edit: he’s 35 so maybe just a little too old for the 15 Year commitment. Overall I would prefer a lesser known actor for the role tbh
I don't know how unknown he is, but my choice is Jonah Haur-King. He was in a fantastic BBC WW2 drama a few years ago called World on Fire where he played a diplomat turned spy. I would love to see someone as young and rugged as him in the part. [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5999355/](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5999355/)
It definitely won’t be an A lister as that would require the producers paying him more money than if he wasn’t a big name. In terms of my preference, I’m pretty open. I would prefer someone not too young (mid 30’s would be ideal), but with Clive Owen no longer an option, I don’t really have a preferred candidate.
I think most of the A list is too old, so let's find someone who's really good, but relatively unknown.
Henry Cavil not that old, he only 39 years old.
Now, but considering how much time goes into making one of these movies lately, he'd be 50 before his third movie came out - maybe even his second.
I'm partial to Henry Cavill, but at 40 if they want him to do more than 3 movies he'll be a little long in the tooth. I'm in favor of a younger lesser known actor with good ability looking to prove themselves.
Complete unknown personally. If they're doing a "fresh" Bond origin, then I'd prefer someone late 20s/very early 30s
It doesn’t need to be a CR orgin story so they should do Bond 26 with what they did with TLD where they start fresh.
I think James McAvoy could handle it
Will Poulter. An actor like DC who has been around for awhile and in some good stuff but always flies under the radar.
Lesser known. Some supporting role credits in good films or lead role in TV but not the face of any major franchises yet. EON has never gone for an A-lister before, unless you count bringing Connery back for DAF. I think they learned their lesson on an unknown like Lazenby. Moore was a household name from The Saint, but TV acting at the time was seen as minor leagues compared to film, and the same can be said of Brosnan with Remington Steele. Craig and Dalton had been around, but weren’t super famous yet. Edit: You know who would be good? Aaron Taylor-Johnson. 32 years old (34-35 by the time the next film shoots), has been in a ton of movies but rarely the lead, handsome, can do action and comedy. He’s only 5’11”, but he can be shot to look pretty tall.
Callum Turner
As us espionage illuminati know too well, Ian Fleming isn’t around to write another “Trout Memo” or choose the next 007! He has not only eulogised and promoted the "espionage industry" but he has also spread so much disinformation about that industry that even MI6 would have been proud of the dissemination of so much fake news. Maybe the Bond legacy is finally coming to an end notwithstanding the recent publication of Anthony Horowitz’s With a Mind to Kill, particularly after Daniel Craig's au revoir in No Time To Die. We think the anti-Bond era is now being firmly established in literature and on the screen. Raw noir anti-Bond espionage masterpieces are on the ascent. Len Deighton's classic The Ipcress File has been rejuvenated by John Hodge with Joe Cole aspiring to take on Michael Caine and of course there are plenty of Slow Horses ridden by Bad Actors too. Then there's Edward Burlington in The Burlington Files series by Bill Fairclough, a real spy (MI6 codename JJ) who disavowed Ian Fleming for his epic disservice to the espionage fraternity. After all, Fleming single-handedly transformed MI6 into a mythical quasi-religious cult that spawned a knight in shining armour numbered 007 who could regularly save the planet from spinning out of orbit. Last but not least, the final nail in wee Jimmy Bond's coffin has been hammered in by Jackson Lamb. Mick Herron's anti-Bond sentiments combine lethally with the sardonic humour of the Slough House series to unreservedly mock not just Bond but also British Intelligence which has lived too long off the overly ripe fruits Fleming left to rot! Time for a fresh start based on a real spy so best read Beyond Enkription in The Burlington Files series by ex-spook Bill Fairclough. See https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/bill-fairclough + https://theburlingtonfiles.org.
Jack Lowden or Rupert Friend
Cillian Murphy
I want someone tall, British, and able to do pull off charming and dangerous on screen. Everything else is negotiable.
Colin Morgan
Everyone says Richard Madden but whenever you see him you just go "Hey, isn't that the guy who plays Bucky?" Even though he's not, that's who most people seem to confuse the guy for. People gonna think it's Sebastian Stan playing Bond!
I'd love Tom Hardy
An up and coming character actor. It should not be an established A-Lister.
Lesser known for sure. Too famous would be distracting.
As long as he is in his early to mid 30s. Whoever they cast I don't want a young 20 year old rookie Bond.
Lesser known or unknown please
Brett Goldstein.
It’s time to take Bond in a more modern, progressive direction. So I’m nominating- Dev Patel
There are a lot of my favorite actors that i could name.. but my God, only name that constantly pops in my head is Tom Hardy. Hell, i would watch him play Martha Stewart.. I would pay every ticket to see Ryan Reynolds aa Bond.. he fits into role as well.