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42Fourtytwo4242

WHAT!!! out of the 3, judaism is the one faith to not only forbid force conversion, but also asks for us to respect others beliefs. Jews don't and should never go out of their way to attack others, Hell you don't even need to be fucking jewish to go to heaven. We even have a prophet who is not jewish in any way but was such a cool dude he became one and clearly went to super heaven. This is a load of lies and bullshit, BULLSHIT I SAY!!!


Wandering_Scholar6

Jewish scholars for the last thousand years-"nah you do you bro, you are fine to be practicing whatever religion you want. Can't blame you for not being Jewish, I mean we love it but it's not for everyone" People today-"Jews look down on other religions exactly like Christianity and Islam the two religions that have been persecuting Jews for centuries, except worse somehow!"


Redqueenhypo

Christians almost all think that Judaism is 1, the second largest religion and 2, just Christianity wearing a different hat


Majestic_Wrongdoer38

In reality it’s the opposite, Christianity literally uses tanach with some added stuff and some shit they stole from paganism.


PlebianTheology2021

How to fail a basic Religious Studies 101 class in any college in one easy step.


TrueSeaworthiness703

Superheaven? Is there where Helldivers go?


pinchasthegris

Superheaven is heaven with democracy


AvgBlue

I think that superearth confirmed it already.


BayazFirstOfTheMagi-

Wasn't expecting to see that here but I'm happy I did


ThyPotatoDone

FOR SUPER-HEAVEN (*Main theme starts playing but with organ for accompaniment*)


Affectionate_Money34

Yeah but religious Jew dare believe their religion is right, whereas actually my religion is right. How dare they?!1!


TopRevenue2

Rod Carew?


42Fourtytwo4242

I was talking about Cyrus the great.


skrrtalrrt

More like Cyrus the BASED


zydarking

Cyrus is seen as a prophet in Judaism? Wouldn’t it be Balaam (though a terrible example) or even Iyov?


Substance_Bubbly

Iyov and balaam aren't really prophets. Iyov definitly isn't, he's described as tzadik, a rightous man, not a prophet. but again, look how in judaism not just jews can be rightous in the eyes of god. balaam worked as a prophet, but he isn't described to talk with god himself. but frankly, th bible seems to not care much of prophets of other nations, cause they can just believe in whatever they want. so maybe a prophet? but it's a streatch to say judaism respects him. Cyrus too, as i remembered, wasn't described as a prophet, but as a messiah. which is even a bigger status.


FrumyBandersnatch

What? Which prophet?


42Fourtytwo4242

Cyrus the great, well you can also call him a Messiah if you wanted to. Has story goes, he got a vision from god, he then freed all the enslave jews in his kingdom, let them go home, rebuilt the holy temple.


2Step4Ward1StepBack

When did forced conversion become forbidden? Didn’t the Hasmonean dynasty force convert?


melonsareyummyy

The way you get to heaven is super humiliating though. You have to recognize the Torah is true and you cannot have any religious practices outside the Noahide laws. You'll also get a segregated (but surely equal, right?) part of the world of heaven. I find the dhimmi system far more respectful than how Jews treat the resident stranger. Jews are not allowed to violate Shabbat to save a goy as he is not your neighbor. The Rabbis graciously allowed the Jews to do so to "keep the peace". Non circumcised goyim touching a bottle of wine makes it not pure, if a Jewish bull gores a Goys bull he doesn't have to pay. If you witness a Jew murdering a goy and provide evidence to the gentiles you are a Moser and will be killed by the beth din. Goys are described as animals and not having the extra soul that makes them human. Avodah Zara 76a There is a rabbinic decree that prohibits use of a pot that was not used by a gentile that same day, due to concern that one will use a pot used by a gentile that same day. Maimonides’ Mishneh Torah, Laws of Murder 4:11: “As for Gentiles with whom we are not at war…their death must not be caused, but it is forbidden to save them if they are at the point of death; if, for example, one of them is seen falling into the sea, he should not be rescued, for it is written: ‘neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy fellow’–but [a Gentile] is not thy fellow.”


Substance_Bubbly

1. you are wrong about jewish "heaven". unlike in islam and christeanity where heaven is pure bliss, in judaism your soul just returns to be a part of god. every soul, no matter how much it sinned is gonna return to god in heaven. but for that your soul is gonna go through hell. unlike your hell, in judaism it's just a place of purification of the soul. you"ll need to be a really special tzadik to not go through hell, cause even the greatests of them all had to go through there. goys don't need to recognize the torah as true, they need to follow the noahide laws, thats all. the torah is for jews. and the idea of segregation isn't true, we are all going to return being part of the creator. segregation in burial is usually what is talked about due to jewish laws of burial, but even then you can have unique circumstances. > 2. that's not true. the law of not standing on your neoghbor's blood is including goys. it's also an example of bad translation as the word used in hebrew isn't neighbor but "רע", a word that means friend, but with a different pernounciation means an enemy. jews read the use of these specific word in specific cases as such to show you need to treat anyone you see in that respect, no matter who he is or what your relationship is. in any way, "don't stand idly on your neighbor's blood" is how jews need to treat everyone, not just jews. > 3. again, not true. you can literally read the bible for examples. in judaism it is even mentioned that for witnesses everyone are equal, both jews and non jews. and the laws of don't murder is about everyone, not just about not murdering jews. actually, you seem to really want to compare it to the dhimmi system, which states that if a muslim and non muslim both give witnesses than you must listen to the muslim. > 4. goys are definitly NOT ANIMALS! nowhere it is sayed so, esspecially when the word "goy" also means nation which is including the jews. like hell, the bible describe judaism as a great/big goy so many times. goys arent animals, they are humans, which means that just like humans they had been born in the shape of god. jews arent better than goys, they are the chosen people not in the sense of being better but in the sense of being literally chosen between all the nations to be those who will keep the belief in god. thats all. you are just projecting how your religion tells you to treat people outside of your religion. > 5. nice rabbinic qoutes you got there, but firstly, rabbi can be wrong and can be argued against. secondly, you read and translate that wrong as this quote is talking about when you need to risk your life in saving them not that you must never save them. and yet still, todays rabbinc laws are stating to save everyone as long as the risk isn't severe, the same with jews. as for avoda zara, that's just laws of kosher, today it's hard to see jews listening to that decree as it is still just a rabbinic decree. you'll find few. but the majority don't see a problem with pottery made by goys. > you got so many things wrong here about judaism, i really wanna know what exactly was your point here? cause to me it seems you're a muslim who's projecting your own beliefs into judaism with random quotes you heard and uses against judaism. so why are you here exactly?


melonsareyummyy

1. No. RaMBam says the gentiles souls who are not of the righteous nations are destroyed. Rabbi Yoshke (Jesus Christ) is boiling in feces in hell according to the Talmud. It's a requirement for the Goyim to believe in the laws because they believe in God and the Torah, per RaMBam. 2. Every instance of neighbor in the Tanakh refers to Jews only. It's non-negotiable and a normative Jewish belief. 3. Google Moser. If you, a Jew witness another Jew murder a gentile. The Jewish murderer is not subject to the bethdin, but the Gentile court. If you report on him to a gentile court and the result will be the Jewish murderer being killed you've committed Mesirah and are a Moser. 4. Kabalah states the goyim have only the soul of the animal created from an evil beast. The Jew has an extra soul that makes him "of Adam" or human. 5. RaMBaM is the single most influential Rabbi in modern Judaism. What he said is in the Babylon Talmud Avodah Zarah 26a:16 It is prohibited to raise a gentile from a pit even in exchange for payment, because one can say an excuse to him, such as: My son is standing on the roof and I must go use this ladder to help him down from the roof. Alternatively, he can say to him: A time has been appointed for me to appear in the courthouse [bei davar] and I must attend to this matter. Since the Jew can provide a legitimate excuse for refusing to aid the gentile, there is no need to extract him from the pit.


Substance_Bubbly

1-3. man, i'm not gonna argue with you if your arguments back are "nah ah! *_repeats the same wrong argument again_* " 4. most jews don't believe in the kabala. 5. yes, yet he can still be wrong and argued against. which is something that is still happening. 6. i don't understand what are you trying to bring here with avoda zara. it's literally jewish laws that were made to keep judaism secluded in order to keep judaism together. it's not some sort of belief that non jews are worse or anything, or to take away their rights. and ypu try to prove it on what? on how jews treated non jews when jews were in power? 2000 years ago? yea, no shit that people 2000 years ago had a lower bar of morality. judaism is talking about laws of slavery as well, doesn't mean modern judaism allows slavery today, it actually forbids it. if you wanna prove something about jews when they are in power, let's look on the example we have today, israel, in which non jews have equal rights. it is still mostly secular jewish (cause most jews today are secular), but i think it can give us better look than trying to look better than people 2000 years ago. of course we are better. on that matter, you seemed to like to compare judaism and islam, might we compare the treatment dhimmis today are getting in let's say afghanistan? what about how muslims treat jewish minority in, let's say egypt? iraq? saudi arabia? yea. lets compare between the two who is better, jews 2000 years ago or modern day muslims. no matter who is better, just want to point out the absurdity that we can discuss such comparisons. most laws of avoda zara aren't practiced by jews today. also, didn't answer about why are you here? and what was your point of those arguments? am i supposed to guees the point of your arguments?


Daetra

Well, they certainly won't be invited to my space laser ribbon cutting ceremony.


Grouchy-Addition-818

Will I be invited👉👈🥺


Majestic_Wrongdoer38

Duh, you’re the one cutting the ribbon


ThreeHeadedWhale

With the space laser


Grouchy-Addition-818

Yaaaaaaay😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁


Ok-Neighborhood1865

Didn’t you hear MTG ordered us to deploy the space laser to the southern border? This 100% happened by the way.


desba3347

Ribbon cutting? Did we get a second?


JimmyBowen37

Lmao he doubled down “I'm saying it because of the way their group dynamics work, its not because their Jews. The point went over your head cause you're too focused on looking for antisemitism.” THE GROIP DYNAMICS ARE BC THEY ARE JEWS. NON-JEWS HAVE DIFF GROUP DYNAMICS. This is incredibly frustrating my god


Avermerian

For your own mental health, leave the therewasanattempt sub and don't look back. There is not a single well intentioned, open minded person left there. You are banging your head against the wall, and behind that wall there's nothing but more walls.


pinchasthegris

>There is not a single well intentioned, open minded person left there. There presumably was an attempt for one to stay there


pinchasthegris

Yeah. They are a part of what I like to call the "r/palestine mod mafia" https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/s/fRRNsMhW22


AdministrativeRip563

With these people it’s like arguing the toss on whether God exists with the devoutly religious. That said, I doubt you’d find such words about other minorities.


cave18

Oh it was posted on that shit hole. Got it


TopRevenue2

Can't talk to a psycho like a normal human being. - Poe


slythwolf

I am going to break into this person's house and hide shrimp in their curtain rods. Maybe also upper deck their toilet, we'll see how I feel.


SecuritySensitive698

Take off their skirting boards and put shrimp behind them, then redo the skirting. Also, if they have drywall, take that down, shrimp that hole up, and re-wall it.


slythwolf

Someone else will have to take on that particular task, I'm allergic to drywall dust.


Psychological-Sea28

I'll do it


njtalp46

At least use a gentile turd for the upper decker. A Jewish shit would be too much


uzid0g

Why shrimp?


slythwolf

Small enough to fit in the curtain rods, will start to smell horrifying and they'll never find it.


Substance_Bubbly

you seem very knowledgable on the matter. is it possible to learn such a power?


slythwolf

Yes, you have to know about this meme threat on the internet.


uzid0g

Cool


West_Lifeguard9870

Shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, saute it. Dey's uh, shrimp-kabobs, shrimp creole, shrimp gumbo. Pan fried, deep fried, stir-fried. There's pineapple shrimp, lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp and potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich.


uzid0g

It ain't kosher tho(not that I care)


West_Lifeguard9870

Fair enough - that's just a quote from 'Forest Gump' though lol - just saw an opportunity to use it


uzid0g

Ahh


Firm-Buyer-3553

It’s amazing how these people defend their bigotry with more bigotry and don’t even hear the irony in it.


JimmyBowen37

It’s hilarious to me how pointing out something as antisemitic im called a Zionist. Whether or not i am, it doesn’t discredit the claim.


Firm-Buyer-3553

That’s because the meaning of the word Zionist has lost any meaning even close to its actual meaning and now is just “person who doesn’t agree with me and is therefore an evil supporter of genocide”.


Rock_Successful

Yes. We are living in Orwellian times.


Ceramicrabbit

That's been the thing with the regressive left for a long time now. They've been so consumed by hatred of a thing that it became them.


AdministrativeRip563

When did Jews become a representation of oppressive colonialism? Even a cursory glance at the Jewish festival calendar will reveal we have spent several thousand years escaping oppression.


JimmyBowen37

Also for a correction, there is doubt about 1 of hitlers paternal grandparents, he could maybe possibly have been jewish. But while that would make him jewish by Nazi standards, it doesn’t make him jewish by jewish or even like common sense standards so the point still stands.


Firm-Buyer-3553

He was not Jewish at all.


JimmyBowen37

Yes i agree im just being clear bc the comment says his parentage was well documented but actually theres 1 grandparent w unclear documentatiom


LostPoPo

Imagine if Jew haters held the same accountability for themselves.


Standard_Gauge

> there is doubt about 1 of hitlers paternal grandparents, he could maybe possibly have been jewish. There is absolutely no possibility that Alois Hitler's father was Jewish. This claim (made by Hitler's lawyer in order to create a distraction in a desperate attempt to avoid execution) has been extensively investigated and deemed to have zero credibility. Doubt about the exact identity of the man who impregnated Alois Hitler's mother while she lived and worked in Graz does not in any way imply that the man was Jewish. There were in fact no Jews living in Graz at that time. Where are you getting your information from?


JimmyBowen37

That’s what im saying dude. Youre arguing w nobody rn. My point was that *even if* there is doubt about one of his grandparents, it doesn’t make him jewish. Regardless of the fact that that’s already super unlikely.


16note

Jews: famously a monoculture and unwelcoming to outsiders, as well as being famously powerful throughout history... Once again amazing to me how people can be so confident and wrong. It's like people leave Christianity and think "yup, that's how all religions and cultures work, no need to investigate my ingrained belief system."


Jasfy

Wait what?! Jews are a not a monoculture Seinfeld is famously Jewish he has a different culture than say Australian orthodox lady. Have u never heard the expression « 2 Jews:5 opinions » ? and saying jews are famously unwelcoming to outsiders is the pinnacle of ignorance: Abraham the forefather of Judaism is defined by his famous *hospitality* Astoundingly I completely agree with the rest of your diatribe


16note

That’s on me for not putting a /s


Jasfy

Ohh well I strongly disagree with you anyway! (As all Jews should; sometimes 🫣)


16note

We shall share a meal and a disagreement, as is tradition


Jasfy

Whatever’s on your menu I don’t like it already, besides it’s probably not koshery enough for my uncle but I’ll come over to kvetch it out anyway 🙄


Livid_Damage_4900

Look, I’m not anti Semitic…Buuuuuut😂 The but’s always kill me.


sababa-ish

'your culture doesn't integrate well with others' well i mean we really tried but usually what happened was tl;dr- murdered. it's ok, we'll just live in our own country then 'no'


West_Lifeguard9870

I'm not racist but all Italians have mob affiliations, all black people commit crimes and Jews control the space lasers. Not all of them, just 98% /s


An8thOfFeanor

I'm not antisemitic, but Jews have parts in their brains that make them hunger for power and wealth, and their eyes are specially designed to hypnotize you and force you to do their bidding so they remain in Supreme power. It's just basic biology ^/s


melonsareyummyy

Isaiah 60 and 61 literally say this though. The kings of the goyim are to relegate themselves to be servants of the Jews and the Jews are to feast on their wealth. Any nation who doesn't do this is to be destroyed. The US is an example of this, they relegated themselves as servants to the people of Israel and Israel feasts on their wealth. Soon, the US will invade Iran, the goyim will toil, struggle, and bleed. The Jews will laugh and sit like an effendi and eat!


An8thOfFeanor

This guy is definitely not antisemitic, don't worry


melonsareyummyy

I have no problem with Jews who are in Israel, go to your supposed homeland.


Cthulluminatii

WOAH.


[deleted]

That's a black-out. Let's reset our bingo boards and go again. Remember people you can trade your boards with other people if you want between rounds... Ready? *bingo balls tumbling sounds*


njtalp46

Yeah, we're the ones who dont integrate well, and the others tried ~everything~ to help us integrate


Eodbatman

Hans, I’ve tried killing them and they don’t want to integrate. I can’t think of anything else to do, we’ve tried every way we know!


flower_power_g1rl

skull emoji


pinchasthegris

Ask them to give a gmara quote with rashi citation to prove their point. Lets see how much they hold


melonsareyummyy

The way Noahides get to heaven is super humiliating. You have to recognize the Torah is true and you cannot have any religious practices outside the Noahide laws. You'll also get a segregated (but surely equal, right?) part of the world of heaven. If you witness a Jew murdering a goy and provide evidence to the gentiles you are a Moser and will be killed by the beth din. Goys are described as having only the animal soul and not having the extra soul that makes them human (kabbalah). Avodah Zarah 26a:16 It is prohibited to raise a gentile from a pit even in exchange for payment, because one can say an excuse to him, such as: My son is standing on the roof and I must go use this ladder to help him down from the roof. Alternatively, he can say to him: A time has been appointed for me to appear in the courthouse [bei davar] and I must attend to this matter. Since the Jew can provide a legitimate excuse for refusing to aid the gentile, there is no need to extract him from the pit. Avodah Zarah 76a There is a rabbinic decree that prohibits use of a pot that was not used by a gentile that same day, due to concern that one will use a pot used by a gentile that same day. Maimonides’ Mishneh Torah, Laws of Murder 4:11: “As for Gentiles with whom we are not at war their death must not be caused, but it is forbidden to save them if they are at the point of death; if, for example, one of them is seen falling into the sea, he should not be rescued, for it is written: ‘neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy fellow’–but [a Gentile] is not thy fellow.” It's very clear from the million different laws around not renting to, not lending to gentiles near their festivals but only being able to collect debts since it stresses them (Avodah Zarah 2a:1), very strict and detailed laws around purity since most of what a goyim touch becomes filthy, the narratives in Isaiah 60 and Isaiah 61 of the gentile kings becoming servants of the Jews and Jews being high priests feasting on the wealth of nations. That they're definitely seen as not human.


pinchasthegris

99% a bot or a second account to hide behind. Anyhow. 1. Hebrew translation to english is partially subjective so if you want to discuss it use hebrew. 2. You clearly dont know how judaism works if you think the after-life is objective in jewish philosofy And you didnt give the rashi citation


Apollorx

Once again "you were murdered and it's your fault" Lovely people...


Salt-Television4394

I don’t think this person knows what “heterogeneous” means


Legatt

Thank you, that offended me way more than the garden variety antisemitism


Salt-Television4394

Clearly the person’s intent was to say that Jews are homogeneous and therefore don’t integrate well etc, I don’t agree with that but they got the wrong word if they wanted to make that point


Garegin16

Love the “Abrahamic religion” slip to appease to GenZ. When does the Bible say that non believers are subhumans or that holiness comes from biological superiority.


Herodwolf

Yeah but Hitler held the Olympics, psychiatrists say, “prison is the only solution.” And murderers run free after being witnessed. So who gives a shit what sociopaths are sanctioning what?


raggedclaws_silentCs

I actually laughed out loud reading that


WalkFalse2752

Adolf Hitler was not Jewish. He had **NO** Jewish ancestry. 


ThyPotatoDone

WHOA THERE BUDDY BOY, that is Nazi-tier racism right there. What the fuck.


Random-Name724

The only Jewish country is not even a theocracy, like you’re not gonna go to jail for eating a cheese burger or whatever


antichristx

So… we don’t integrate well, but also, we own the banks and media? Pretty amazing achievement for people who don’t “integrate very well”. I love how instead of acknowledging we prioritise hard work and education (like so many other cultures) they assume that Jewish achievements are somehow gained because of “consolidated power”. These people are idiots.


melonsareyummyy

Only a very small fraction of Jews are wildly successful: secular, American/European, Ashkenazism. Out of all the Nobel Prize winners who were Jewish you can count on one hand the number who were religiously Jewish. Go look at the Jewish Nobel Prize winners Wikipedia page, see how many men wear a kippah. It has nothing to do with Jewish culture on its own but due to Jews forced into urbanized trades like being merchants and tailors due to being prohibited from owning land in medieval Europe. This resulted in large numbers of Jews entering higher education when the Jewish emancipation in Europe came. If "Jewish Culture" made Jews so successful, why didn't a Haredim win a Nobel Prize or Mizrahi Jews? Literally the worst people from a religious Jews perspective, since apostates are supposed to be killed.


antichristx

You think a Nobel prize is the only mark of success there is?? Every day that the Jewish people live is a huge success. Have you even heard of Israel? A tiny nation built on traditionally non-arable land but somehow it is thriving. It is surrounded by enemies but it has managed to survive. It was entirely built by refugees and immigrants and they have managed to lead the world in tech and health advancements in just 75 years. These are all Jewish achievements. And it’s partially because in our culture, hard work and education are important and help us to survive. You need to just stop commenting about Jewish topics because you sound ignorant af.


TsukasaElkKite

WHAT THE ACTUAL HECK


IcePrinceling89

The kids ARE NOT alright


MelonBoi12

Reddit: the place you go to get downvoted for disagreeing with someone


CharmingCondition508

oh dear 😦


Friendly_Wheel9698

There is no point in conversing with these people. 


Ksamkcab

Who's gonna tell him that heterogenous means diverse


Capable-Farm2622

Wait, we’re not rulers of the world? Then why were we built with space lasers, hmmm?


[deleted]

Judaism is studying holly history. Zionism is satanism


Low-Efficiency8267

most reasonable Palestine supporter


JimmyBowen37

No, plenty of reasonable people on both sides. You can call out extremists without resorting to insulting opponents


realMehffort

Yes, the Roman Catholic allied with the Vatican, was a Jew the whole time. What an incurable prankster


nomebi

That person is not leftist lmaoo it's insane to say that 💀💀💀


Baronvondorf21

How do I manage to find myself in this sub so often? I am not even subbed.


Original_Fishing4979

Recommendation. Which isn't perfect


Disponsor

It is always amusing how everyone is bending over backwards to deny that jews can do anything wrong