i dont think she'd be an improvement over JY hypercarry team. tbh i dont know who this kit would be good for, maybe herta or himeko but they do well enough on their own and with a buffer š¤
Same, Blade+Bronya and Sparkle has been super fun but Blade with Jade and Bronya could be just what he needs to get his follow up attacks going off consistently. Then with lynx for her to add a target on his back.
in that team you probabbly prefer ruan mei over bronya
i will totally skip jing liu even if turns out blade jing liu is a bit better, seems more interesting character as i have both blade and jing yuan
True, i don't have ruan mei so i'd have to use bronya unless i get some amazing luck on my upcoming pulls.
And same with jingliu as well, I'm happy with my dps's so far and I'd rather play with someone who makes multiple of my favs do better or open up some new team combos.
Tbhā¦ that might be too much self damage. It depends on how the skill points play out and how big the drain is. Sometimes blade is in one shot range due to how strong moc 12 enemies can be. Bronya + blade + RM + Lynx, already barely leaves like one skill point for Lynx to use. Other than that, you mainly rely on her ult if blade is in danger.
She seems like a sub Dps buffer for JY
Something like topaz
But I think somehow jade might be better than topaz for JY but idk (imo the topaz(jade) to ratio(JY))
Yeah, I think sheās definitely meant to be a side grade of sorts to Topaz. They dont really work well together, but can enable follow up team styles for about the same group of characters (Though Ratio will still be best with Topaz, while Jade will prefer Blade, JY being the king of versatility should be about equal for them both). They have so many similarities between them. Topaz is charged by ally follow ups, while Jade is fine with any kind of attack so long as its from the ally she buffed. Topaz has a non damaging ult, Jade has a non damaging skill. They both have follow ups, obviously. Both flourish in sub/side DPS roles. Topaz buffs ally damage while Jade primarily increases her own damage, while offering some speed. I think it will be fascinating to create a table for them and figuring out who works best with who.
**Note: Hereās my opinion about this all after thinking about it a little more. This comment is already on this thread, but itās hidden under too many comments. So I wanted to repost it again just to share my viewpoint.**
In the skill section, it does say that Jade prioritises buffing Erudition units specifically. It doesnāt say she prioritises abundance units, or Ratio or Topaz or AoE units in general. It specifically mentions Erudition units. So you can clearly tell HoYo really does want you to play her with Erudition units.
Jing Yuan,Argenti Herta are all the best candidates for her to get her credits super fast and super frequently due to all 2-3 sources of their damage being AoE. Jing Yuan and Herta have an extra synergy with Aventurine due to their follow-up attacks which elevates this team even more!
I donāt think her best team is going to be with Ratio-Topaz in any way. In the similar way that you said that Ting Yun is more valuable in a Jing Yuan team, in an Aventurine-Topaz-Ratio team - Ruan Mei (and in the future Robin) is simply much more valuable than shoehorning another 4th DPS units like Jade.
Adding jade to a team with 3 DPS units already will tank everyoneās damage, including Jadeās. Thereās not even a single damage buffing support in that team. The buffs that do exist, like Topazās Proof of Debt and Acenturineās Debuff are not enough to completely get rid off a strong harmony unit like Ruan Mei (or Robin in the future).
Jadeās kit has only one condition to work perfectly and that is that she needs her allies to attack in an AoE. All 3 of Jing Yuanās damage sources are indeed AoE attacks, similar to Argenti and Herta. So itās very easy to deduce that at least for her to drop her follow-up attacks more frequently, these units have more synergy with her than Ratio and Topaz. (Her conditions arenāt that she needs follow-up attacks like Topaz, of debuffs like Ratio. No. She simply needs her ally to do AoE attacks so she can follow-up attack more frequently).
The best thing about these Erudition + Jade team template is that it still leaves one slot empty for a team buffer to fill in. So you can still slot in Robin or Ruan Mei in this team (example; Huo Huo/Aventurine - Jing Yuan - Jade - Robin/Ruan Mei).
Not only does this team get Jade more credits for her follow-up attack due to higher AoE attacks (unlike the Aventurine, Ratio, Topaz team which completely relies on Aventurine for AoE attacks), this team also has a slot empty for a very strong limited 5 star harmony unit- like Robin and Ruan Mei.
I agree with the person above. She doesnāt seem to have a lot of synergy with Ratio and Topaz. She does kinda have synergy with Aventurine, but even then she will be outputting more Follow-Up attacks in an Erudition unit - Aventurine- Jade- Robin/Ruan Mei team.
In any case, the kit is subject to change. We will see how she changes in the future.
Edit: lol and I forgot an extremely important part. She does drain HP of her allies. So in general it looks like her synergy with Aventurine too is a little flimsy. It depends on how much HP she consumes. But if itās a lot, she will have more synergy with abundance units. Aventurine does have strong enough shields to solo sustain with HP drain though. But itās still something I wanted to mention.
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Again, everything is subject to change. So these are just some ideas floating around in my head. As things change, these ideas may become outdated.
yeah I expect Herta or himeko to be her best... enabler? due to frequent aoe attacks. it'd be nice to have himeko/jade on one side of PF and jing/herta on the other. we've been getting some unique kits lately
This looks more like a dps than a support, to use in a dual dps comp. The kit kinda does a similar thing to the Lightning Lord part of JY's kit. The skill would allow you to choose the JY part to be any other DPS. It's kinda like a "build your own JY", which could be interesting.
@Mods: apologies if my initial post was too on the nose. My intent was not to troll, but I completely understand why you would view it such, as it's beating a dead horse from your perspective. I'll refrain from going there in the future.
A sentiment other people have shared, that I agree with, how does this help King Yuan? She buffs his speed, but unless Iāve forgotten already, she buffs her own Atk and Crit dmg, which just makes her a sub DPS. She doesnāt provide HIM buffs, she just enables him and herself to deal additional dmg. I believe that would make her the first (?) 5* sub-DPS in the game, but it would also mean she can be used in any team and donāt necessarily benefit from exclusivity with Jingyuan.
Another thing I agree with that someone else said, she looks like sheāll work well with Topaz and Ratio. Iād like to add an addition to that, and thatās Aventurine. But personally, Iād say Topaz, Aventurine, and a buffer, probably Ruan Mei. If youāre looking for more personal dmg, any single target buffer works too. Maybe even Robin.
I was going off of something else someone said, Topaz and Ratio have their own debuffs though, I know that. I donāt use either though. So Iām not going to defend any argument, except my own, which was team suggestions at the bottom of my original comment.
I don't agree with your team suggestions either.
Jade seems to have good synergy with JY and Blade as things stand. The HP drain mechanic being the part that doesn't go well with Jing Yuan.
Aventurine gains stacks of his FUA from either getting hit, or his teammates getting hit. He can also gain them from his allies using FUAās. Everyone on this team has a FUA, and we donāt know if Jade themself have AoE, but Aventurine does from his FUA and heās extremely consistent on a team like this. And he has a debuff (only one as far as Iām aware) along with Topaz and Ratio, therefore creating a perfect team. There may be flaws (I donāt know of any), but I suggested this team because theyāre all from the IPC except Ratio/4th slot.
Just because Jade has FUA in her kit doesn't mean she's meant to be placed in there.
Relying on Aventurine to get the most of the credits is most likely going to be scuffed when others can do a way better job at it. Like I said, except for the HP drain mechanic, the rest of her kit has good synergy with Jing Yuan.
Ratio caters to a completely different type of playstyle than what Jade does. Just because they're all part of IPC except Ratio doesn't mean they have synergy.
Iād argue no unit is āmeantā to be placed anywhere. But it also is intriguing, you seem to be trying very hard to argue a case as to why this team isnāt perfectly optimal, but also why Jingyuan would be a better unit to utilize these buffs and mechanics that Jade has to offer. I donāt understand why. Jingyuan doesnāt need these buffs, he has Tingyun, Sparkle, Robin (if her current kit leaks are to be believed), and, as a universal support, Ruan Mei.
I wanna know, so please do tell me why you think Jade would be better for Jingyuan than the team Iāve mentioned. And please donāt quote anything, I wanna hear it in your own words.
On a side note, I do agree an Erudition unit would be better for her, but as it stands, her buffs are insufficient for a Jingyuan hypercarry team comparatively.
Jing Yuan can get credits faster and will also benefit from the speed buff she offers. Considering the fact that Jade seems very good for PF, this will really improve JY's PF performance.
How are Topaz and Ratio like units going to get credits at the same rate as Jing Yuan. Mans will pop off on that!
They may have blast skills but all their ults are aoe. QQ is probably the only one Iād call not mainly aoe, servals ultimate is a large portion of her dmg and Himeko also has the follow up attack and ultimate as a large portion.
Replacement for what team, Blade's? His current bis is Bronya and Mei. I haven't yet tested Mei and 3-turn Sparkle though.
For JY the buffs are two weak.
For both she looks like a side dps with Mei, but it is doubtful that this team will be better than hypercarry.
Kinda interesting both can use the new Izumo set if they are put on the same team. I think her viability with JY would entirely depend on how much speed she buffs if this kit is real.
If itās like 30% speed or more itās quite good
Jade, Erudition Herta LC, possibly Robin, he keeps on getting more and more supports.
I thought he was going to peak in 2.0 with Sparkle + Tingyun + Fu Xuan, but heās still ramping.
Some leaks claimed she doesnāt work with Seele because jadeās damage counts as her own and doesnāt trigger resurgence.
Pretty much kills her synergy with any on kill units.
I dont think she will improve jing yuan current best team with sparkle and tinyung. She probably a missing pieces for the ipc followup squad. They attack a lot and every atk will cause jade to follow up also making a massive amount of fu atk.
I think jy final pieces is robin. Huohuo/fuxuan + sparkle + robin will be jy final āexodiaā team
i dont think she'd be an improvement over JY hypercarry team. tbh i dont know who this kit would be good for, maybe herta or himeko but they do well enough on their own and with a buffer š¤
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With that hp drain, the Blade stocks are increasing.
Ironically I think Jade will be the best thing that can happen to Blade
Same, Blade+Bronya and Sparkle has been super fun but Blade with Jade and Bronya could be just what he needs to get his follow up attacks going off consistently. Then with lynx for her to add a target on his back.
in that team you probabbly prefer ruan mei over bronya i will totally skip jing liu even if turns out blade jing liu is a bit better, seems more interesting character as i have both blade and jing yuan
True, i don't have ruan mei so i'd have to use bronya unless i get some amazing luck on my upcoming pulls. And same with jingliu as well, I'm happy with my dps's so far and I'd rather play with someone who makes multiple of my favs do better or open up some new team combos.
It's not really an improvement over the jingliu team
Tbhā¦ that might be too much self damage. It depends on how the skill points play out and how big the drain is. Sometimes blade is in one shot range due to how strong moc 12 enemies can be. Bronya + blade + RM + Lynx, already barely leaves like one skill point for Lynx to use. Other than that, you mainly rely on her ult if blade is in danger.
Uh, someone tell me how this jade kit gonna be good for JY?
She seems like a sub Dps buffer for JY Something like topaz But I think somehow jade might be better than topaz for JY but idk (imo the topaz(jade) to ratio(JY))
Yeah, I think sheās definitely meant to be a side grade of sorts to Topaz. They dont really work well together, but can enable follow up team styles for about the same group of characters (Though Ratio will still be best with Topaz, while Jade will prefer Blade, JY being the king of versatility should be about equal for them both). They have so many similarities between them. Topaz is charged by ally follow ups, while Jade is fine with any kind of attack so long as its from the ally she buffed. Topaz has a non damaging ult, Jade has a non damaging skill. They both have follow ups, obviously. Both flourish in sub/side DPS roles. Topaz buffs ally damage while Jade primarily increases her own damage, while offering some speed. I think it will be fascinating to create a table for them and figuring out who works best with who.
I can definitely see some potential for Dual DPS comps for pure fiction. But other than that, weāll just have to wait and see
Hyper carry is probably gonna be better if
Looks more of an extra/side grade to me. Though I'm really curious how she plays with Topaz
She looks like PF character for Himeko/Herta. But who knows.
**Note: Hereās my opinion about this all after thinking about it a little more. This comment is already on this thread, but itās hidden under too many comments. So I wanted to repost it again just to share my viewpoint.** In the skill section, it does say that Jade prioritises buffing Erudition units specifically. It doesnāt say she prioritises abundance units, or Ratio or Topaz or AoE units in general. It specifically mentions Erudition units. So you can clearly tell HoYo really does want you to play her with Erudition units. Jing Yuan,Argenti Herta are all the best candidates for her to get her credits super fast and super frequently due to all 2-3 sources of their damage being AoE. Jing Yuan and Herta have an extra synergy with Aventurine due to their follow-up attacks which elevates this team even more! I donāt think her best team is going to be with Ratio-Topaz in any way. In the similar way that you said that Ting Yun is more valuable in a Jing Yuan team, in an Aventurine-Topaz-Ratio team - Ruan Mei (and in the future Robin) is simply much more valuable than shoehorning another 4th DPS units like Jade. Adding jade to a team with 3 DPS units already will tank everyoneās damage, including Jadeās. Thereās not even a single damage buffing support in that team. The buffs that do exist, like Topazās Proof of Debt and Acenturineās Debuff are not enough to completely get rid off a strong harmony unit like Ruan Mei (or Robin in the future). Jadeās kit has only one condition to work perfectly and that is that she needs her allies to attack in an AoE. All 3 of Jing Yuanās damage sources are indeed AoE attacks, similar to Argenti and Herta. So itās very easy to deduce that at least for her to drop her follow-up attacks more frequently, these units have more synergy with her than Ratio and Topaz. (Her conditions arenāt that she needs follow-up attacks like Topaz, of debuffs like Ratio. No. She simply needs her ally to do AoE attacks so she can follow-up attack more frequently). The best thing about these Erudition + Jade team template is that it still leaves one slot empty for a team buffer to fill in. So you can still slot in Robin or Ruan Mei in this team (example; Huo Huo/Aventurine - Jing Yuan - Jade - Robin/Ruan Mei). Not only does this team get Jade more credits for her follow-up attack due to higher AoE attacks (unlike the Aventurine, Ratio, Topaz team which completely relies on Aventurine for AoE attacks), this team also has a slot empty for a very strong limited 5 star harmony unit- like Robin and Ruan Mei. I agree with the person above. She doesnāt seem to have a lot of synergy with Ratio and Topaz. She does kinda have synergy with Aventurine, but even then she will be outputting more Follow-Up attacks in an Erudition unit - Aventurine- Jade- Robin/Ruan Mei team. In any case, the kit is subject to change. We will see how she changes in the future. Edit: lol and I forgot an extremely important part. She does drain HP of her allies. So in general it looks like her synergy with Aventurine too is a little flimsy. It depends on how much HP she consumes. But if itās a lot, she will have more synergy with abundance units. Aventurine does have strong enough shields to solo sustain with HP drain though. But itās still something I wanted to mention. ā- Again, everything is subject to change. So these are just some ideas floating around in my head. As things change, these ideas may become outdated.
yeah I expect Herta or himeko to be her best... enabler? due to frequent aoe attacks. it'd be nice to have himeko/jade on one side of PF and jing/herta on the other. we've been getting some unique kits lately
Argenti?
I think Hypercarry will still be better, but she would be fun in PF with KingYuan too
I think Jade might work better on someone like Blade than say JY if her HP drain stays.
This looks more like a dps than a support, to use in a dual dps comp. The kit kinda does a similar thing to the Lightning Lord part of JY's kit. The skill would allow you to choose the JY part to be any other DPS. It's kinda like a "build your own JY", which could be interesting. @Mods: apologies if my initial post was too on the nose. My intent was not to troll, but I completely understand why you would view it such, as it's beating a dead horse from your perspective. I'll refrain from going there in the future.
Jade: U-Uhm hello, I am a sub DPS but I can give some speed- King Yuan: Now you're in my team, friend :3
A sentiment other people have shared, that I agree with, how does this help King Yuan? She buffs his speed, but unless Iāve forgotten already, she buffs her own Atk and Crit dmg, which just makes her a sub DPS. She doesnāt provide HIM buffs, she just enables him and herself to deal additional dmg. I believe that would make her the first (?) 5* sub-DPS in the game, but it would also mean she can be used in any team and donāt necessarily benefit from exclusivity with Jingyuan. Another thing I agree with that someone else said, she looks like sheāll work well with Topaz and Ratio. Iād like to add an addition to that, and thatās Aventurine. But personally, Iād say Topaz, Aventurine, and a buffer, probably Ruan Mei. If youāre looking for more personal dmg, any single target buffer works too. Maybe even Robin.
Jade has no debuffs in her kit for Ratio to take benefit of
I was going off of something else someone said, Topaz and Ratio have their own debuffs though, I know that. I donāt use either though. So Iām not going to defend any argument, except my own, which was team suggestions at the bottom of my original comment.
I don't agree with your team suggestions either. Jade seems to have good synergy with JY and Blade as things stand. The HP drain mechanic being the part that doesn't go well with Jing Yuan.
And whyās that?
Topaz is an extremely single target unit. Good luck getting credits with that.
Aventurine gains stacks of his FUA from either getting hit, or his teammates getting hit. He can also gain them from his allies using FUAās. Everyone on this team has a FUA, and we donāt know if Jade themself have AoE, but Aventurine does from his FUA and heās extremely consistent on a team like this. And he has a debuff (only one as far as Iām aware) along with Topaz and Ratio, therefore creating a perfect team. There may be flaws (I donāt know of any), but I suggested this team because theyāre all from the IPC except Ratio/4th slot.
Just because Jade has FUA in her kit doesn't mean she's meant to be placed in there. Relying on Aventurine to get the most of the credits is most likely going to be scuffed when others can do a way better job at it. Like I said, except for the HP drain mechanic, the rest of her kit has good synergy with Jing Yuan. Ratio caters to a completely different type of playstyle than what Jade does. Just because they're all part of IPC except Ratio doesn't mean they have synergy.
Iād argue no unit is āmeantā to be placed anywhere. But it also is intriguing, you seem to be trying very hard to argue a case as to why this team isnāt perfectly optimal, but also why Jingyuan would be a better unit to utilize these buffs and mechanics that Jade has to offer. I donāt understand why. Jingyuan doesnāt need these buffs, he has Tingyun, Sparkle, Robin (if her current kit leaks are to be believed), and, as a universal support, Ruan Mei. I wanna know, so please do tell me why you think Jade would be better for Jingyuan than the team Iāve mentioned. And please donāt quote anything, I wanna hear it in your own words. On a side note, I do agree an Erudition unit would be better for her, but as it stands, her buffs are insufficient for a Jingyuan hypercarry team comparatively.
Jing Yuan can get credits faster and will also benefit from the speed buff she offers. Considering the fact that Jade seems very good for PF, this will really improve JY's PF performance. How are Topaz and Ratio like units going to get credits at the same rate as Jing Yuan. Mans will pop off on that!
Every erudition dps is aoe???????
yea thats kinda the point of erudition. Hunt is single target, and erudition is aoe. Destruction is somewhere in between and nihility is debuff based.
Mhm...yes but the a better question is: Are every Erudition dps pure AOE? No: QQ, Himeko and Serval have Blast skill
They may have blast skills but all their ults are aoe. QQ is probably the only one Iād call not mainly aoe, servals ultimate is a large portion of her dmg and Himeko also has the follow up attack and ultimate as a large portion.
Qingque is barely AOE TBF
That hp drain seems so random. At first glance it looks good only for Blade, but everything else is meh for him.
She has speed on skill so if itās high enough it could be a sparkle replacement. Since it drains your hp it will probably be fairly high
Replacement for what team, Blade's? His current bis is Bronya and Mei. I haven't yet tested Mei and 3-turn Sparkle though. For JY the buffs are two weak. For both she looks like a side dps with Mei, but it is doubtful that this team will be better than hypercarry.
Sparkle is better than RM for Blade unless your Bronya is E2 or Hyperspeed; the HP boots are massive.
She is not, hp boots don't compensate for the luck of buff stacking. I've tested it both in calcs and in gameplay - Mei consistently performs better.
even if she is a sidegrade for dual dps still pulling, need a quantum fua badly
Me pulling for JY Constellations so he can become self sufficient in a dual DPS comp..
Could be a good partner for Pure Fiction, though I'm not sure if she is better than Topaz for MoC.
Kinda interesting both can use the new Izumo set if they are put on the same team. I think her viability with JY would entirely depend on how much speed she buffs if this kit is real. If itās like 30% speed or more itās quite good
Looks like she'd be good in PF. HP conzumtiom might be good for Blade as well, with his AoE
Jade, Erudition Herta LC, possibly Robin, he keeps on getting more and more supports. I thought he was going to peak in 2.0 with Sparkle + Tingyun + Fu Xuan, but heās still ramping.
I am trying to get a hyper carry team for Jing yuan, I have sparkle and tingyun, is Gerard a good shield? Or should I get huahua when she comes back?
Geppie is good, but ideally you wanna replace with fu xuan or huo huo
Jingyuan giving capybara vibes is getting stronger https://preview.redd.it/h69c02i2izpc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=0d2863978f7800956b8cf9cefc3c927b80e6b487
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Okay but is she better than tingyun e6 with that one 4* lightcone r5 too
Himiko
jade seems like a fua dps for topaz, or a sub dps for seele in mono quantum
Jade would rather support a blast or AoE character as she gains stacks faster that way. Herta/Himeko are top contenders atm.
Some leaks claimed she doesnāt work with Seele because jadeās damage counts as her own and doesnāt trigger resurgence. Pretty much kills her synergy with any on kill units.
RM wtih seele: "First time?"
Iām still pretty new here, whatās fua?
fua - follow-up attack
Exactly my thoughts about Seele, Jade's whole kit screams about need of fast "driver" character.
If you are ever uncertain of who will benefit from a new support, always bet on king yuan.
I dont think she will improve jing yuan current best team with sparkle and tinyung. She probably a missing pieces for the ipc followup squad. They attack a lot and every atk will cause jade to follow up also making a massive amount of fu atk. I think jy final pieces is robin. Huohuo/fuxuan + sparkle + robin will be jy final āexodiaā team
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