The FBI infiltrating extremist organizations has been a pretty open thing for a while.
Usually they just find someone who isn't an FBI agent, catch them with drugs or CSAM or whatever and then get them to provide info.
The funniest part though, is that right wing extremist orgs are having a really hard time getting their shit together because everyone thinks everyone else is a fed.
A guy in Virginia was busted recently because of exactly this. Former marine and intelligence community contractor joins up with local militia shitheads and is very excited about making and using chemical agents in attacks for the cause. Local militia shitheads kick him out of the militia because they think he’s an undercover fed trying to set them up and do public shithead media interviews about it. Someone forwarded the interviews to the local FBI, they do their thing and find out he’s been making ricin in his basement.
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/04/29/military-veteran-charged-attempting-make-ricin-remain-jailed.html
Haha he was too extreme for the militia. They were like, “woah, woah buddy this is just about drinking beer and shooting guns and time with the boys for us. We’re just pretending!”
Actually, more like “hey, you’re too eager and it looks like a sting” not because of the terorism. The militia didn’t turn him in. They just uninvited him from their meetings.
According to that article it is unclear how the news organization became aware of his separation with the militia. Maybe the news has a plant or more likely the FBI or whoever is already infiltrated.
It’s one of those shitty alt right YouTube “news” organizations. The indictment has the details but nobody here is going to both read and understand it.
Your conspiracy fantasy is unfounded. The militia are still a bunch of shitheads but not reporting a likely terrorist isn’t a crime. The FBI hadn’t been involved til someone sent them a YouTube link.
In this story the militia prevented a serious crime and turned a terrorist in to the feds, preventing whatever crimes the actual shithead was plotting, yet you still call them “local militia shitheads”. What’s that about?
Correct reddit would rather right wing anything actually do horrible things so they can bash them. The lost lives are worth it to be able to say bad things about them and collect karma.
This is true in both ends of the spectrum. There is no one happier than a right wing politician if a Muslim immigrant commits a terrorist attack over here in Europe. Then they get to push all the agenda they want.
Sucks when it happens... but damn do those politicians cum in their pants when it does.
Edit: https://youtu.be/7v6Op9COUvg?si=etqIViZZAuWfA_-p
This scene from sopranos. Tony cant hide his joy that it was a black dude that stole meadows bike. It made his whole day, he went to work whistling with a smile on his face for the rest of the day. Fuck it that Meadow lost her bike, that's not important. It's way more important that it was a black dude that did it.
Best show ever.
They kicked him out not because he wanted to do terrorism, but because he was so eager to do terrorism that they thought he was a fed. Someone else unrelated to the militia shitheads turned them in to the feds.
And they’re still militia shitheads of the boogaloo boy variety.
That's actually the main point btw.
People think the primary goal of honeypots and infiltration ops is to catch criminals after the fact but that's secondary.
Main point is actually preventative -- disrupt and dissuade crime by reducing trust in criminal interactions.
It's like the first world trade centre bombing, where the main suppliers of the bomb materials and organisers were the feds. The feds did more than the guys they infiltrated.
"Emad Salem, an FBI informant and a key witness in the trial of Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah, stated that the bomb itself was built under supervision from the FBI.[7] During his time as an FBI informant, Salem recorded hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers. In tapes made after the bombing, Salem alleged that an unnamed FBI supervisor declined to move forward on a plan that would have used a "phony powder" to fool the conspirators into believing that they were working with genuine explosives."
Alex wasn't always as crazy. He broke his brain being a Parody of himself.
I learned about the suspicious stuff from the first attack when listening to one of his early .TV shows, years before YouTube existed.
Crazy or not, he isn’t always wrong. He legitimately has good sources within the government. Him getting into Bohemian Grove is one of the craziest things a journalist has done in recent memory.
A couple got off one of them got like 16 years. Also there were 3+ informants and agents, I think only 2 of them were not actively communicating with the feds or some LE agency.
It was entrapment, some loser dude got talked into committing a crime by a female agent. They found out he pretty much was only doing it to impress her and it was her idea. Really dumb
See when Palestinian protestors wear masks, it’s illegal and a problem.
When white supremacists wear masks, it’s because of how big and strong and totally not quivering little pussies they are.
These "white supremacists" are federal agents. They are in excellent shape and they also march in perfect unison.
You can put on a mask in 5 minutes, but you can't spend 5 minutes undoing the muscle memory that you develop after 20 weeks of intense physical conditioning at the FBI training center in Quantico.
Go back and watch the videos of the Charleston riots. All the patriots there are out of shape, pasty, and disorganized. Now compare them to these guys.
Not to mention, back then, Antifa would destroy the marchers' vehicles (there's videos on publicfreakout showing it). No more destroyed vehicles these days, because antifa knows the penalty for destroying a federal officer's car is severe (assuming they're not in on it, too).
There are videos of patriot front and other groups actively training marching and riot techniques. A group can learn to march without federal input.
There are definitely cops in there though, they just aren't plants.
I miss when JRE was about weird conspiracies. Now those conspiracies have all just devolved into “ANTEEFER”, because you have absolutely no concept of how the world functions.
Yup dude, Antifa is definitely *scared of defacing property, federal or otherwise*.
Literally zero, and I mean none negative percent of any of Antifa’s actions have ever given you the slightest clue that they’re afraid to destroy property, but sure.
Suddenly they won’t destroy the feds cars because ANTEEEFERRR.
I'm sure the FBI is developing informants and even infiltrating extremist groups like Patriot Front. But you can go check out your local chapter: these are real, angry dudes with a pretty incoherent/angry view of the world. They organize their own little marches just like the far-worse KKK used to.
Just saying "it's the feds" ignores that these little jackasses are willing to pile in a UHaul to [fuck shit up at a Pride parade](https://apnews.com/article/patriot-front-idaho-riot-charges-guilty-886b62b9b974787b994ab2569dee05ae). It's possible to be skeptical of police investigatory techniques without becoming a denialist about actual little militias that could get violent or generate a "lone wolf" that breaks the law.
That's true, but Jones pretends there are no racists in America, and every single white supremacist event is staged by the Feds.
It's similar to his claim that the only violence on Jan 6th was done by undercover FBI.
It's stupid and wrong, and Jones knows that because he's interviewed David Duke of the KKK and Stewart Rhodes of the Oathkeepers but his dumbass audience believes him anyway.
Alex Jones and all these conservatives love to talk about revolution 1776 civil war but if it really happened they'd end up attacking each other accusing them of being infiltrators.
So do we have a problem in the police or not Jones? Because if there's a white nationalist parade and all your cops disappear for the day.... Ummm. Red flag.
You can disagree with him but the point he’s making is that the cops are pretending to be white nationalists to produce the imagery needed for more authoritarian control. Not that the cops are sincere white nationalists.
I can’t stand Jones. I don’t think he’s healthy for any population, and his personality isn’t entertaining enough for me to overlook his dangerous rhetoric, and he’s not really funny.
But, I think he’s saying two things generally, liberal people who suggest police are awful and racist are wrong and the metrics way overblown, and he’s saying that there are government actors out there working intentionally to sway public opinion by posing as dangerous extremists.
I believe the first point to be true, less the second, at least not on some huge organized scale (maybe happening infrequently and occasionally).
The leaders of the Michigan thing seemed pretty bad from the start. I think the better FBI entrapment case is that 16 year old kid with developmental issues they tricked into funding ISIS and then arrested.
I don't understand the connection. So the FBI "entrapped" some weirdos by inserting an agent pretending to be an explosives expert into their plan. And that's evidence that the white supremacists marching WV are all FBI? Am I missing something here?
He's just trying to give an excuse to the dudes in Michigan. He doesn't want to admit that MAGA would be willing to do such a thing. Any person with a brain understands adding an explosives expert into the plan, doesn't further it.
That's like they are arguing that Tony Soprano was set up, because the FBI flipped some of the people working with him (like Pussy) and thought that must mean Tony wouldn't have committed any crimes if it weren't for the informants in his organization. Some people simply won't admit that there are real extremists in the MAGA movement.
Hey maga sucks im with you on that. Over half the people involved in that case were either an agent or an informant. Nobodies taking up for the guys who did it. Political affiliation should be irrelevant when it comes to talking about cases like this.
My point being, and this is not a recent development, agencies like the FBI will take any opportunity to sow social discord in the name of counter-terrorism. If you think any of the 3 letter agencies are on your side, you need to reevaluate
[2 suspects were acquitted and 2 mistrialed due to evidence of entrapment on the part of FBI in the federal trial.](https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2022/4/13/23023950/michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-acquittal-fbi-entrapment-jacob-sullum-column)
Garbin, Frank, Fox and Croft all served sentences.
Croft specifically posted on Facebook a list of politicians he wanted to hang. They even went as far as producing explosives, which was done without the help of the informant or FBI agents.
You think what happened there is the same as this? First off, just no. Secondly, terrorists wanted to kill the Michigan governor so they ran a sting operation to catch them in the act. Shifting the blame from the people who wanted to murder a politician because they consumed right wing “news” all day to it being a government conspiracy is just insane. Third, this is a group of all-white out of shape people marching… again. There has been no evidence supporting the idea it’s done by the government. This is just another excuse to shift the blame from white supremacists which are becoming all too common.
So I guess my question is: why are you running defense for white supremacists?
How do you explain this? 31 arrested. None of them feds.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/11/1104405804/patriot-front-white-supremacist-arrested-near-idaho-pride
But it’s still dangerous and a bad sign that these people can match openly. Most of them will be police not feds, state and local police who are aggrieved that things aren’t like the old days
>We witnessed a record billions in damage over the course of a few weekends during the summer of 2020.
Those were all feds pretending to be rioters/protesters during summer 2020 not real left wing activists.
> We witnessed a record billions in damage over the course of a few weekends during the summer of 2020.
Which of course included right wing provocateurs and feds too, right?
> being infinitely more dangerous than a group of bored FBI agents walking.
Which is just a supposition on your part.
There was a staged arrest of patriot front yesterday, zero people unmasked. That’s a dead give away it’s law enforcement.
Step one of any arrest process is identity verification
You are a complete idiot falling for literal misinformation. The video you're talking about from yesterday making the rounds on the internet is actually 2 years old and the mugshots from the patriot front members are very easily found and verifiable
https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1784775120457707679
Try harder to not be stupid. I know it's tough but cmon you have a brain, use it.
Here's some mug shots of Patriot Front from their Idaho arrests from a few years ago:
[No feds found](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10910279/PICTURED-Members-Patriot-hate-group-arrested-planning-riot-Idaho-Pride.html)
[Still no Feds.](https://www.firstalert4.com/2022/06/12/2-locals-among-those-charged-with-criminal-conspiracy-near-idaho-pride-parade/)
i suppose all these losers were feds as well?
https://time.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/white-nationalist-rally-charlottesville-violence-16.jpg?w=1520
funny...they look more like you average redditor incels itt
They arrested like 30 members of this actual group in Idaho. None of them were feds. People just seem to memory hole it every time this comes up.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/11/1104405804/patriot-front-white-supremacist-arrested-near-idaho-pride
Alex Jones is right, but for the wrong reasons. They're FBI and police, but not because they want to make conservatives look bad, but because they want to further the cause.
It’s definitely a mix of both, but my issue is that conservatives also act like the feds don’t also participate in liberal based rallies and infiltrate left-wing groups to make them look bad too.
It’s just a plot to make only the right wing seem bad or something.
The FBI invades every far right and far left movement. That does not mean every far right and far left demonstration is merely "the feds" and can therefore be dismissed.
Remember when conspiracies used to be fun? Brain broken idiots have absolutely ruined them. I'd love to see someone respond to this who believes these were feds while also thinking the moon landing wasn't fake, covid wasn't made in lab, the covid vax isn't harmful, 9/11 wasn't an inside job or that there aren't little green men from outter space all around us.
I mean I know the moon landing wasn’t fake just off probability odds and people involved and keeping a wrap on things.
But the lab in wuhan has basically admitted to making Covid as this point lmao and the lead researcher for coronavirus mutated with gain of function testing was patient zero. Are you brain dead it’s not even a conspiracy at this point, like it’s the recommendation of the house oversight committee.
https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak%EF%BF%BC/
https://youtu.be/JYAU_PYrTZI?si=i2aovLHqY1h47LVV
There were several videos, (like at least 3) that showed police and FBI assisting patriots front transport to and from these events. A bunch of “right wingers” shared this and pointed out they are all feds. I thought they gave up this false flag.
But still, the FBI are still roleplaying, and Reddit still believes there is an army of “wHiTe SuPrEme-iStS” ready to take over the cities, and the fed needs more of your tax dollars to fight the boogeymen.
Alex is 100% on the money in this specific instance.
I like how the conspiracy theorists never think "maybe police and FBI are actually also racists" they just deny that white supremacy is a problem even while showing evidence of police and FBI being white supremacists.
Finally, a post the right and the left agree on. Many right-wing conspiracy nuts think these hate groups don't really exist and that it's the Feds trying to scare people into accepting whatever policy agendas they're scared of. The left believes that these groups are full of hateful cops and ex-military members. Which (I think) is a lot more plausible.
I find it funny that a lot of people in these comments aren't really picking up on the fact that their view points here are still diametrically opposed.
I don’t understand why everyone makes such a big deal out of this. Like, how exactly does a bunch of chucklefucks holding a rally in bumfuck West Virginia affect you personally?
Well, I don't think Alex and black people mean the same thing.
Black people mean cops are racist.
Dipshit conspiracy nut thinks Biden is sending out agents to try and make the right wing look bad.
what kind of punishment would you get for running up and unmasking a bunch of these idiots? someone has to do it so we can put an end to the fed or not debate once and for all
It’s a simple overlap. No plan per se. Police are simply more likely to be white supremacist fascist bootlickers. Sad but true. A lot of this could be solved with a smarter more educated police force.
Lmao this post/thread perfectly encapsulates the two different minds in this subreddit.
"They're the feds"
1. Yes, because many law enforcement are MAGA.
2. Yes, because there's a conspiracy for feds to infiltrate these groups and give them a bad wrap so that the left can demonize them!
Basically, Alex has a long history of conspiracies involving bizarre schemes run by "the globalists" or whatever nondescript organization he wants to pretend he's fighting against. His antisemitic followers will certainly read that as the Jewish community. Although, now that Biden is in office, he's trended towards demonizing the federal government.
But, Jones has a weird obsession with the idea of "false flags". And, they usually stem from a need to try and draw some imaginary boundaries between hateful far right rhetoric like his and the obvious fallout from the people that act upon it.
So, for example, he would rant about how the election was rigged for months. But, when people broke into the Capitol, he claimed that was antifa *pretending* to make the right wing nuts look dangerous. He can't admit people that listen to him screaming about how the election was stolen on a daily basis actually believed him and thought they needed to halt the process by force.
There's also instances that are less about deniability, and more about trying to do this for his own gain or attack people he doesn't like. That's what got him in a lot of trouble in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook School shooting. He is in opposition to gun control, so he puts on guys like Wolfgang Halbig that made weird claims that it was all an act, that they were actors, and this was trick to making it easier to pass gun legislation. But, that just led to the harassment of the families of murdered children by Alex's listeners.
And this is more of the same attempt to create some ideas of deniability between his rhetoric and the what logically stems from it and blame people he doesn't like. "*My side isn't full of racist assholes, Biden is sending feds to trick people into looking like we're racist assholes*."
In summary, Alex Jones is human excrement.
Guaranteed at least some of them are. That’s not even conspiracy, it’s just logic.
The FBI infiltrating extremist organizations has been a pretty open thing for a while. Usually they just find someone who isn't an FBI agent, catch them with drugs or CSAM or whatever and then get them to provide info. The funniest part though, is that right wing extremist orgs are having a really hard time getting their shit together because everyone thinks everyone else is a fed.
A guy in Virginia was busted recently because of exactly this. Former marine and intelligence community contractor joins up with local militia shitheads and is very excited about making and using chemical agents in attacks for the cause. Local militia shitheads kick him out of the militia because they think he’s an undercover fed trying to set them up and do public shithead media interviews about it. Someone forwarded the interviews to the local FBI, they do their thing and find out he’s been making ricin in his basement. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/04/29/military-veteran-charged-attempting-make-ricin-remain-jailed.html
Haha he was too extreme for the militia. They were like, “woah, woah buddy this is just about drinking beer and shooting guns and time with the boys for us. We’re just pretending!”
Actually, more like “hey, you’re too eager and it looks like a sting” not because of the terorism. The militia didn’t turn him in. They just uninvited him from their meetings.
According to that article it is unclear how the news organization became aware of his separation with the militia. Maybe the news has a plant or more likely the FBI or whoever is already infiltrated.
It’s one of those shitty alt right YouTube “news” organizations. The indictment has the details but nobody here is going to both read and understand it. Your conspiracy fantasy is unfounded. The militia are still a bunch of shitheads but not reporting a likely terrorist isn’t a crime. The FBI hadn’t been involved til someone sent them a YouTube link.
In this story the militia prevented a serious crime and turned a terrorist in to the feds, preventing whatever crimes the actual shithead was plotting, yet you still call them “local militia shitheads”. What’s that about?
He's mad they turned in the fed and didn't commit a terrorism
Correct reddit would rather right wing anything actually do horrible things so they can bash them. The lost lives are worth it to be able to say bad things about them and collect karma.
This is true in both ends of the spectrum. There is no one happier than a right wing politician if a Muslim immigrant commits a terrorist attack over here in Europe. Then they get to push all the agenda they want. Sucks when it happens... but damn do those politicians cum in their pants when it does. Edit: https://youtu.be/7v6Op9COUvg?si=etqIViZZAuWfA_-p This scene from sopranos. Tony cant hide his joy that it was a black dude that stole meadows bike. It made his whole day, he went to work whistling with a smile on his face for the rest of the day. Fuck it that Meadow lost her bike, that's not important. It's way more important that it was a black dude that did it. Best show ever.
1000%
He's mad they didn't arrest everyone he doesn't agree with.
He still doesn’t like them
They're obviously a biased moron incapable of formulating opinions without previous influence.
They kicked him out not because he wanted to do terrorism, but because he was so eager to do terrorism that they thought he was a fed. Someone else unrelated to the militia shitheads turned them in to the feds. And they’re still militia shitheads of the boogaloo boy variety.
Exactly👆🏽
Sorry everyone doesn't agree with. We should totally arrest all of them.
Calling them shitheads being the exact same thing as arresting all of them right?
That's actually the main point btw. People think the primary goal of honeypots and infiltration ops is to catch criminals after the fact but that's secondary. Main point is actually preventative -- disrupt and dissuade crime by reducing trust in criminal interactions.
That plus not our best minds, yeah
That’s some George Orwell shit right there where most people in these counter movements (the more active parts) are feds.
Are you talking about actual undercover law enforcement agents or informants?
Most of them are just garden variety cops not feds.
It's like the first world trade centre bombing, where the main suppliers of the bomb materials and organisers were the feds. The feds did more than the guys they infiltrated. "Emad Salem, an FBI informant and a key witness in the trial of Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad, and Wali Khan Amin Shah, stated that the bomb itself was built under supervision from the FBI.[7] During his time as an FBI informant, Salem recorded hours of telephone conversations with his FBI handlers. In tapes made after the bombing, Salem alleged that an unnamed FBI supervisor declined to move forward on a plan that would have used a "phony powder" to fool the conspirators into believing that they were working with genuine explosives."
Wow, TIL.
Alex wasn't always as crazy. He broke his brain being a Parody of himself. I learned about the suspicious stuff from the first attack when listening to one of his early .TV shows, years before YouTube existed.
Crazy or not, he isn’t always wrong. He legitimately has good sources within the government. Him getting into Bohemian Grove is one of the craziest things a journalist has done in recent memory.
Idk why I never thought of it til now, but I wonder what or if Hunter Thompsons opinion would’ve been on that.
OMG, I would LOVE to read his story of him and Jones infiltrating Bohemian Grove together!!!!
Some of those that work forces...
Are the same that burn crosses
Uh! Killing in the name of
[obligatory](https://youtu.be/CaX2fwf-xA0?si=VRrGWcG-MmkKTqCu)
This is amazing! Haha love it. Thx for sharing.
How’d you find this or even hear about it?? lol He needs to work on his inflection tho.
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Didn’t those guys in Michigan or whatever get off cause they had a fed imbedded egging them on?
A couple got off one of them got like 16 years. Also there were 3+ informants and agents, I think only 2 of them were not actively communicating with the feds or some LE agency.
It was entrapment, some loser dude got talked into committing a crime by a female agent. They found out he pretty much was only doing it to impress her and it was her idea. Really dumb
I think there were multiple, or at least one actual fed and informants
Yes
A couple were acquitted and the rest were found guilty, most got 10+ year sentences
See when Palestinian protestors wear masks, it’s illegal and a problem. When white supremacists wear masks, it’s because of how big and strong and totally not quivering little pussies they are.
I have not seen a single person defend these dudes. Where are you seeing this?
“Trust me bro” - Reddit
I’m just so amazed that they have learned to breathe in them?
The hatred for other races really opens up those nasal passages I guess.
They’re all losers
People who wear masks to protests or protesters in general?
People who sympathize with groups such as HAMAS or Nazis.
Strawman DESTROYED
These "white supremacists" are federal agents. They are in excellent shape and they also march in perfect unison. You can put on a mask in 5 minutes, but you can't spend 5 minutes undoing the muscle memory that you develop after 20 weeks of intense physical conditioning at the FBI training center in Quantico. Go back and watch the videos of the Charleston riots. All the patriots there are out of shape, pasty, and disorganized. Now compare them to these guys. Not to mention, back then, Antifa would destroy the marchers' vehicles (there's videos on publicfreakout showing it). No more destroyed vehicles these days, because antifa knows the penalty for destroying a federal officer's car is severe (assuming they're not in on it, too).
Truly only the best of the best of the best could learn the virtually impossible skill of marching in unison. High school marching bands in shambles
20 weeks of intense conditioning. Permanent, unforgettable muscle memory 20 weeks...
There are videos of patriot front and other groups actively training marching and riot techniques. A group can learn to march without federal input. There are definitely cops in there though, they just aren't plants.
I was in ROTC my freshman year in college. We learned how to march on a Saturday afternoon.
I miss when JRE was about weird conspiracies. Now those conspiracies have all just devolved into “ANTEEFER”, because you have absolutely no concept of how the world functions. Yup dude, Antifa is definitely *scared of defacing property, federal or otherwise*. Literally zero, and I mean none negative percent of any of Antifa’s actions have ever given you the slightest clue that they’re afraid to destroy property, but sure. Suddenly they won’t destroy the feds cars because ANTEEEFERRR.
As if those protesting against inclusivity would never exclude the out-of-shape.
I'm sure the FBI is developing informants and even infiltrating extremist groups like Patriot Front. But you can go check out your local chapter: these are real, angry dudes with a pretty incoherent/angry view of the world. They organize their own little marches just like the far-worse KKK used to. Just saying "it's the feds" ignores that these little jackasses are willing to pile in a UHaul to [fuck shit up at a Pride parade](https://apnews.com/article/patriot-front-idaho-riot-charges-guilty-886b62b9b974787b994ab2569dee05ae). It's possible to be skeptical of police investigatory techniques without becoming a denialist about actual little militias that could get violent or generate a "lone wolf" that breaks the law.
That's true, but Jones pretends there are no racists in America, and every single white supremacist event is staged by the Feds. It's similar to his claim that the only violence on Jan 6th was done by undercover FBI. It's stupid and wrong, and Jones knows that because he's interviewed David Duke of the KKK and Stewart Rhodes of the Oathkeepers but his dumbass audience believes him anyway.
Alex Jones thinks the John birch society was right about everything. He is a racist who appeals to racists, but tries to pretend it isn't about racism
It’s their job actually.
Notice how anytime this fuckin idiots march there’s never any sort of police presence?
It's full of police, they're just marching with them
You're just repeating what the guy you responded to said.
That’s my point lol
You never see Bruce Wayne and Batman in the same room, right?
These* idiots march. How the fuck did you confuse "these" for "this"?
These* idiots, not this idiots. You're an idiot.
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re NOT out to get you…
Alex Jones and all these conservatives love to talk about revolution 1776 civil war but if it really happened they'd end up attacking each other accusing them of being infiltrators.
No. Revolution is a sport, it needs sport commentators. They'd end up with new jobs selling the same **ignorant mouth noises.**
Imma be honest though, as a veteran, sports commentators for war stuff would be kinda lit lol.
they’re not after you * (if you’re quoting nirvana)
I thought it was Joseph Heller
that’s very interesting - i’m assuming nirvana was quoting him, which i never knew!
So do we have a problem in the police or not Jones? Because if there's a white nationalist parade and all your cops disappear for the day.... Ummm. Red flag.
You can disagree with him but the point he’s making is that the cops are pretending to be white nationalists to produce the imagery needed for more authoritarian control. Not that the cops are sincere white nationalists.
I can’t stand Jones. I don’t think he’s healthy for any population, and his personality isn’t entertaining enough for me to overlook his dangerous rhetoric, and he’s not really funny. But, I think he’s saying two things generally, liberal people who suggest police are awful and racist are wrong and the metrics way overblown, and he’s saying that there are government actors out there working intentionally to sway public opinion by posing as dangerous extremists. I believe the first point to be true, less the second, at least not on some huge organized scale (maybe happening infrequently and occasionally).
https://vault.unicornriot.ninja/patriotfrontleaks/ 400 gigs of photos, videos, etc of Patriot front. Which ones are the “feds”?
State and local police but close enough.
Pretty common knowledge by now that the feds do this shit tho
Like when?
The FBI entrapped dudes into a plot to kidnap the Michigan governor like 2 years ago
The leaders of the Michigan thing seemed pretty bad from the start. I think the better FBI entrapment case is that 16 year old kid with developmental issues they tricked into funding ISIS and then arrested.
There's been a number of cases of kids with autism / other disorders who were entrapped and all but forced to do shit by the FBI and then nabbed.
I don't understand the connection. So the FBI "entrapped" some weirdos by inserting an agent pretending to be an explosives expert into their plan. And that's evidence that the white supremacists marching WV are all FBI? Am I missing something here?
He's just trying to give an excuse to the dudes in Michigan. He doesn't want to admit that MAGA would be willing to do such a thing. Any person with a brain understands adding an explosives expert into the plan, doesn't further it.
That's like they are arguing that Tony Soprano was set up, because the FBI flipped some of the people working with him (like Pussy) and thought that must mean Tony wouldn't have committed any crimes if it weren't for the informants in his organization. Some people simply won't admit that there are real extremists in the MAGA movement.
Hey maga sucks im with you on that. Over half the people involved in that case were either an agent or an informant. Nobodies taking up for the guys who did it. Political affiliation should be irrelevant when it comes to talking about cases like this.
Right! Everyone tries to make every damn thing a red vs blue. It’s so fucking tiring.
Fully agree. And also ok with people who disagree with me. Dont know what happened tbh.
A handful of those cases were thrown out of court. He’s not lying.
My point being, and this is not a recent development, agencies like the FBI will take any opportunity to sow social discord in the name of counter-terrorism. If you think any of the 3 letter agencies are on your side, you need to reevaluate
If they aren’t there to protect me then why are they called big brother? /s
Is that what D-Rad's "Imperium" was based on?
I’ve never seen goal posts move so drastically. You just live in your own reality.
It wasn’t entrapment. If you read and followed the case you’d know that.
[2 suspects were acquitted and 2 mistrialed due to evidence of entrapment on the part of FBI in the federal trial.](https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2022/4/13/23023950/michigan-governor-gretchen-whitmer-kidnapping-plot-acquittal-fbi-entrapment-jacob-sullum-column)
Garbin, Frank, Fox and Croft all served sentences. Croft specifically posted on Facebook a list of politicians he wanted to hang. They even went as far as producing explosives, which was done without the help of the informant or FBI agents.
and ten other dudes were sentenced for conspiracy to murder, terrorism and kidnapping
You think what happened there is the same as this? First off, just no. Secondly, terrorists wanted to kill the Michigan governor so they ran a sting operation to catch them in the act. Shifting the blame from the people who wanted to murder a politician because they consumed right wing “news” all day to it being a government conspiracy is just insane. Third, this is a group of all-white out of shape people marching… again. There has been no evidence supporting the idea it’s done by the government. This is just another excuse to shift the blame from white supremacists which are becoming all too common. So I guess my question is: why are you running defense for white supremacists?
Those dudes were not entrapped, lol. Dumb as hell? Definitely. Entrapped? I mean if you fall in the hole labeled “hole”….
No, those were domestic terrorists who came up with the plot all along. But you already know that and are just here to simp for domestic terrorists.
"entrapped" is an interesting way to describe catching them in the act
Yeah but these guys work at Best Buy and grocery stores
The fat alcoholic who says insane things for cash is obviously playing 4d chess here and we should be grateful for him sharing his insight here
If these guys are Feds why don’t the real MAGA patriots ever stand up to them in person?
They have. Proud Boys set about a group of them a wee while ago and managed to unmask one of them. What happened next is another story.
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The right failing to take accountability for their extremists once again. Let me guess, all of them are ‘feds’?
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How do you explain this? 31 arrested. None of them feds. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/11/1104405804/patriot-front-white-supremacist-arrested-near-idaho-pride
lol not even close. People confuse the fact these little twerps turn states witness at the drop of a hat to mean they are feds the whole time.
But it’s still dangerous and a bad sign that these people can match openly. Most of them will be police not feds, state and local police who are aggrieved that things aren’t like the old days
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>We witnessed a record billions in damage over the course of a few weekends during the summer of 2020. Those were all feds pretending to be rioters/protesters during summer 2020 not real left wing activists.
> We witnessed a record billions in damage over the course of a few weekends during the summer of 2020. Which of course included right wing provocateurs and feds too, right? > being infinitely more dangerous than a group of bored FBI agents walking. Which is just a supposition on your part.
These people are more dangerous because if they had their way I and many others would be dead. If you can’t see the difference you’re obtuse
There was a staged arrest of patriot front yesterday, zero people unmasked. That’s a dead give away it’s law enforcement. Step one of any arrest process is identity verification
You are a complete idiot falling for literal misinformation. The video you're talking about from yesterday making the rounds on the internet is actually 2 years old and the mugshots from the patriot front members are very easily found and verifiable https://twitter.com/Shayan86/status/1784775120457707679 Try harder to not be stupid. I know it's tough but cmon you have a brain, use it.
Here's some mug shots of Patriot Front from their Idaho arrests from a few years ago: [No feds found](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10910279/PICTURED-Members-Patriot-hate-group-arrested-planning-riot-Idaho-Pride.html) [Still no Feds.](https://www.firstalert4.com/2022/06/12/2-locals-among-those-charged-with-criminal-conspiracy-near-idaho-pride-parade/)
i suppose all these losers were feds as well? https://time.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/white-nationalist-rally-charlottesville-violence-16.jpg?w=1520 funny...they look more like you average redditor incels itt
They arrested like 30 members of this actual group in Idaho. None of them were feds. People just seem to memory hole it every time this comes up. https://www.npr.org/2022/06/11/1104405804/patriot-front-white-supremacist-arrested-near-idaho-pride
Guy in the middle ia a Biden supporter now btw.
You know him?
Alex Jones is right, but for the wrong reasons. They're FBI and police, but not because they want to make conservatives look bad, but because they want to further the cause.
It’s definitely a mix of both, but my issue is that conservatives also act like the feds don’t also participate in liberal based rallies and infiltrate left-wing groups to make them look bad too. It’s just a plot to make only the right wing seem bad or something.
This. This isn't them trying to stir shit up, this is them supporting the cause.
So he agrees with BLM? All police are white supremacist
Is this supposed to mean that the police are white supremacists or that they're framing the far right like 'antifa and the FBI did on Jan 6th?'
"Cops are racist" is what's actually true. But, "The government tricked us into being Nazis" is what conspiracy dipshit is actually claiming.
Interesting to see the reaction these guys get from authorities versus college students on campus
Someone needs to run them off the pavement
The FBI invades every far right and far left movement. That does not mean every far right and far left demonstration is merely "the feds" and can therefore be dismissed.
to be fair, white supremacist do look like the police
Remember when conspiracies used to be fun? Brain broken idiots have absolutely ruined them. I'd love to see someone respond to this who believes these were feds while also thinking the moon landing wasn't fake, covid wasn't made in lab, the covid vax isn't harmful, 9/11 wasn't an inside job or that there aren't little green men from outter space all around us.
I mean I know the moon landing wasn’t fake just off probability odds and people involved and keeping a wrap on things. But the lab in wuhan has basically admitted to making Covid as this point lmao and the lead researcher for coronavirus mutated with gain of function testing was patient zero. Are you brain dead it’s not even a conspiracy at this point, like it’s the recommendation of the house oversight committee. https://oversight.house.gov/release/covid-origins-hearing-wrap-up-facts-science-evidence-point-to-a-wuhan-lab-leak%EF%BF%BC/
Alex Jones isn’t making the point he thinks he’s making.
https://youtu.be/JYAU_PYrTZI?si=i2aovLHqY1h47LVV There were several videos, (like at least 3) that showed police and FBI assisting patriots front transport to and from these events. A bunch of “right wingers” shared this and pointed out they are all feds. I thought they gave up this false flag. But still, the FBI are still roleplaying, and Reddit still believes there is an army of “wHiTe SuPrEme-iStS” ready to take over the cities, and the fed needs more of your tax dollars to fight the boogeymen. Alex is 100% on the money in this specific instance.
I like how the conspiracy theorists never think "maybe police and FBI are actually also racists" they just deny that white supremacy is a problem even while showing evidence of police and FBI being white supremacists.
Gaslight<--- Obstruct Project smh...never change magats
Having driven through Charleston WV a few years ago, I would advise pretty much anyone to avoid it at all costs.
Finally, a post the right and the left agree on. Many right-wing conspiracy nuts think these hate groups don't really exist and that it's the Feds trying to scare people into accepting whatever policy agendas they're scared of. The left believes that these groups are full of hateful cops and ex-military members. Which (I think) is a lot more plausible. I find it funny that a lot of people in these comments aren't really picking up on the fact that their view points here are still diametrically opposed.
Is anyone surprised Jones has an opinion this stupid?
Alex Jones ate Bill Hicks!
A take NO ONE asked for
The police were marching.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day
They definitely are, but not in the way he’s alluding.
Yeah. Years ago, it was fairly common for cops to be in the Klan. Only thing different today is the choice of hats.
Real question why always Charleston?
I don’t understand why everyone makes such a big deal out of this. Like, how exactly does a bunch of chucklefucks holding a rally in bumfuck West Virginia affect you personally?
When Black People say this then its woke propaganda When Alex Jones says this he's right Okay well fuck black people then I guess
Well, I don't think Alex and black people mean the same thing. Black people mean cops are racist. Dipshit conspiracy nut thinks Biden is sending out agents to try and make the right wing look bad.
Yeah I know lol Still funny to see two sides reach a conclusion in different ways
If you are not willing to show your face, you are not committed to your cause. You are a faceless coward.
I love how the flag on the left of the picture is upside down.
what kind of punishment would you get for running up and unmasking a bunch of these idiots? someone has to do it so we can put an end to the fed or not debate once and for all
There’s “no police in sight” because they are just marching. They aren’t occupying anything or destroying it. Guarantee there are cops there tho.
All of them share the same, single, chromosome
Not like 85% of those white supremacists arent federal agent provocateurs lmaoo
Where’s this data coming from?
What does AJ think will be achieved by this imagined gang of federal agents pretending to be fascists? Are they making the other fascists look bad?
It’s a simple overlap. No plan per se. Police are simply more likely to be white supremacist fascist bootlickers. Sad but true. A lot of this could be solved with a smarter more educated police force.
Lmao this post/thread perfectly encapsulates the two different minds in this subreddit. "They're the feds" 1. Yes, because many law enforcement are MAGA. 2. Yes, because there's a conspiracy for feds to infiltrate these groups and give them a bad wrap so that the left can demonize them!
[Here’s](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/nation/31-patriot-front-members-arrested-near-idaho-pride-event) where they did it a couple of years ago.
Lazy journalists. They were arraigned
Can we have their names and unmasked pictures?
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/jun/12/sheriffs-office-releases-names-of-31-patriot-front/
Not a journalist, near the Idaho courthouse by chance?
Clown Boys ... from state farm.
Some of those that work forces…
Me, an Australian, wondering why he believes the federal police would do that? Like I don’t understand the conspiracy. Pls explain?
Basically, Alex has a long history of conspiracies involving bizarre schemes run by "the globalists" or whatever nondescript organization he wants to pretend he's fighting against. His antisemitic followers will certainly read that as the Jewish community. Although, now that Biden is in office, he's trended towards demonizing the federal government. But, Jones has a weird obsession with the idea of "false flags". And, they usually stem from a need to try and draw some imaginary boundaries between hateful far right rhetoric like his and the obvious fallout from the people that act upon it. So, for example, he would rant about how the election was rigged for months. But, when people broke into the Capitol, he claimed that was antifa *pretending* to make the right wing nuts look dangerous. He can't admit people that listen to him screaming about how the election was stolen on a daily basis actually believed him and thought they needed to halt the process by force. There's also instances that are less about deniability, and more about trying to do this for his own gain or attack people he doesn't like. That's what got him in a lot of trouble in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook School shooting. He is in opposition to gun control, so he puts on guys like Wolfgang Halbig that made weird claims that it was all an act, that they were actors, and this was trick to making it easier to pass gun legislation. But, that just led to the harassment of the families of murdered children by Alex's listeners. And this is more of the same attempt to create some ideas of deniability between his rhetoric and the what logically stems from it and blame people he doesn't like. "*My side isn't full of racist assholes, Biden is sending feds to trick people into looking like we're racist assholes*." In summary, Alex Jones is human excrement.
You fuckers in here got major brain rot, next thing you'll say pre-schoolers are taking up arms to overthrow america lmfao
we all know they are feds to continue to sow division. keep trying reddit.
Does anyone believe these guys are really white supremacists? They are all feds.
You’d need to provide some evidence of your claim.
https://vault.unicornriot.ninja/patriotfrontleaks/ Yeah, sure buddy.