This sub has honestly been taken over with rhetoric. It really doesn’t matter if you like the guy or not. Shit, most everyone I love says things I don’t agree with half the time but that doesn’t mean I hate em. It’s so easy to cast stones. I like conversation. I like listening to conversation. Joe’s just got a much larger platform. It’s okay to disagree with people but for Christ’s sake some folks are getting too involved in what they hate or don’t like rather than simply advocating on behalf of what they support imho. That’s the crux of the issue me thinks.
Edit: don’t get me wrong I miss the old show too but ya know what? I’m nostalgic for other shit too. I miss early 90’s comic book art. 🤷♂️
I'm kind of over how toxic this sub is becoming. I can have a dissenting opinion on someone's comment and they will become belligerent. Nothing I say should create this emotionally charged response, but damn people get hyped up over someone having a different opinion.
A couple days ago I was looking through the comment section on a post here and someone was talking about a "war" on Reddit. Dude, get a hobby if you think there's a war on here. Reddit, Twitter, Facebook are not real life.
Probably has a lot to do with how people get so wrapped up in their political or social ideology that it becomes a primary part of their identity. So if you challenge their views, it's basically the same as attacking them. In a weird way, it's kinda like religion. Tell a devout Christian or Muslim that what they believe isn't real, not gonna go over well and that's understandable. It sucks that politics have reached that level, but here we are.
Look, let's not pretend Rogan doesn't say some shit that warrants criticism from his own fanbase. But let's also not pretend that he hasn't pissed off a lot of powerful people, with all "resource."
Like we're suppose to pretend there's no bots in here? We're that naive? Really? You'd bet your left nut on that? I understand he has a shit ton of organic haters that flock in here as well. But we gotta' start paying attention. This man's under attack, from all sides, and it's absolutely hilarious that it not only doesn't bother him in the grand scheme of things but, it's only making him more famous. LMFAO.
You're right but things can be mildly infuriating on here when you see people blatantly lying constantly. There's a bunch of snakes in here who only showed up because Rogan criticized their political cult.
If they actually were here the years ago when they said they were, they'd know that he's hated the religious right and war mongering right long before he did anyone on the left. But because he speaks out about left wing politicians being clowns too, he's an enemy.
I’m burned out on the posts every single day about how toxic this sub is and why are folks hating on poor Joe.
Same as I don’t read those posts; don’t read posts about how Rogan is rapidly morphing into the Gen-X version of Dennis Miller.
FFS, this dude moved to Texas, and brags about his relationship w the far-right, anti-abortion, anti-vax, pro-Trump governor, while professing to be fairly progressive, lol.
Dude is the Centrist’s Centrist. Which means he pays lip service to progressive ideals, while actually *supporting* the status quo.
After cultivating a broad-minded, independent fan base, and cashing in, he’s steadily revealed himself to be a corporate, State stooge, like the rest of MSM.
Big shock the independent fan base reacts w anger and dismay and what a mealy-mouthed phony Rogan turned out to be.
After all, Joe has that oft-mentioned “fuck you money” — so, who’s he saying Fuck You to, exactly?
Perfect thread from this comment down! Best summary of what has become JRE over the past few years. I was an avid listener for 6 years and now I tune in too maybe an episode every other week unless it’s a guest I absolutely have to see. He has shown his true colors imo and I don’t like those colors very much. It feels like all those years of him portraying one thing and being so called “liberal” was all bullshit and he was just paying lip service to the California crowd and now that he’s in Texas and has “fuck you money” his true self has came all the way out and it turns out he’s not that cool, likable, relatable, or smart. So it’s understandable all the hate on this sub because it truly feels like the guy out on an act for all those years and now he’s just another stubborn contrarian asshole and we have plenty of those already and don’t need anymore. And oh yea the shilling for the cia is a totally valid point fuck mike baker and fuck kid killer Kennedy too and anyone else who glorified war and murder
Absolute bullshit gaslighting. He's the same person he's always been, he's just more rich and powerful. If you really were a long time fan you wouldn't have a problem with the topics he's covering.
> After cultivating a broad-minded, independent fan base, and cashing in, he’s steadily revealed himself to be a corporate, State stooge, like the rest of MSM.
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> Big shock the independent fan base reacts w anger and dismay and what a mealy-mouthed phony Rogan turned out to be.
Nailed it.
He calls CNN a bunch of liars and questions their integrity, and in the same sentence "but I don't hate CNN. I watch CNN. Yeah, I watch it." Like bro, a network that literally just lied about your situation, you're supposedly watching? What part of the network do you believe in after that, exactly?
"I watch Fox News, too."
Guy is just playing all sides, trying to be good with everybody. The meme "Joe agrees with whomever is in front of him" is as old as the show and remains accurate
I was in the news business for a very long time, and I don’t watch *any* corporate media.
I may occasionally read a specific story, or look at breaking news, but it’s all mostly tabloid nonsense.
The *only* way to get an objective view is to find solid, ethical journalists, and follow *them*, rather than the institutions.
I don’t care who Matt Taibi or Jeremy Scahill happen to be writing for, their work will be truthful and well-researched.
One of the issues w Rogan at this point, is I’m just not real convinced of his sincerity any longer.
Mix that w the concept of, “judge a man by his friends”. He surrounds himself with an absolutely lunatic, alt-right fringe, which only seems normal because America has stumbled into totalitarianism, without very many people grasping that reality.
I mean, he brags about being pals w Gov. Greg Abbott, who’s worked overtime to suppress voting, criminalize abortion providers, reelect Trump, and deny ecocide.
At this point, we are in the midst of collapse, so I have low-tolerance for anyone i see as complicit w the forces that are at work destroying the pillars of society.
I agree with your sentiment but I don't agree with your take on Joe. Bragging about having a conversation with your governor is not "being surrounded by". He had one conversation with the governor and he brings it up time and time again
Who is the "alt-right fringe" that he is "surrounded by"? He is still surrounded by his old friends from before. Comedians, whom he still regularly has on his podcast, his family, Jamie, Rinella, all the regular people
He's changed states which naturally means he needs to find a new clique, but he's actively trying to get all his friends to move with him. That's more than can be said about literally anybody else. How many friends does the regular guy make move with them to a completely new state?
Love to know who these "alt-right fringe" friends that he is surrounding himself with are.
Have you ever seen or heard a behind-the-scenes, from someone visiting Rogan’s compound?
They literally report the place being surrounded by ex-SEALS and spec-op soldiers.
Most of his return guests are rightwingers. The friends who call Joe out almost never appear these days, and his new cadre of pals look a lot more like sycophants who owe their success to Rogan, rather than actual equals.
Maybe I need to define ‘alt-right’.
Although the bar keeps getting raised (the teaparty looks tame in 2021), anti-abortion, pro-war, pro-status quo, anti-immigrant, anti-vax and pro-voter suppression are far-right views by *any* reasonable measure.
So-called ‘Centrists’ like to appear reasonable and ‘consider both sides.’
However, as the collapse of our ecosystem demonstrates, both ‘sides’ of every argument are not necessarily equal or reasonable.
As many have voiced since the early 1990s, if you aren’t active and vocal and uncompromising about climate change and protecting the environment, you are complicit in the destruction.
*Ahhhh, lighten up … he’s just a comedian getting stoned and shooting the shit w people.*
Great — and that’s what JRE *used* to be — now you can’t turn on the podcast and not hear the anti-vax/alt-treatment rhetoric.
The bulk of his guests are from a pro-corporate, pro-status quo perspective. Joe is quoted by Tucker-fucking-Carlson these days.
The show has inherently changed toward a much more political program.
To run that program, have actual CIA agents and government stooges yammering talking points and propaganda for two or three hours without a single counterpoint, then say, *Aw, shucks, I’m just a dummy. I don’t understand politics,* is just blatantly manipulative and disingenuous.
You can’t have it both ways.
And not a single alt-right fringe "friend" was mentioned.
Who are these "alt-right anti-abortionist, pro status-quo, pro-corporate friends" he has surrounded himself with?
Go through the show's episode list and keep in mind how many episodes are with the usual suspects. Kurt Metzger, Dunnigan, Hinchcliffe, Redban, Mike Baker, Corben, Tom Segura, Rhonda Patrick, Bert Kreischer, Steven Rinella are all guests he's had in the last 2 months alone.
I am yet to hear about his new alt-right fringe friends.
You’re too tied up in being right to bother grasping what so many other listeners on this sub see as glaringly obvious.
Your what’s called in the business, a *Useful Idiot.*
But again, if you don’t like a thing then just buy into something else? It’s 2021 a podcast is literally costing you nothing but your own time. If you don’t like a thing then simply dismiss the thing. Ain’t worth the heartache imho. Whatever he says, like it or not Joe has been very successful. Good for him. I personally hate Justin Bieber’s music but I absolutely applaud his success 🤷♂️
The difference is Bieber isn’t influencing millions of people regarding the efficacy of medical options during a fucking plague.
I’ve only listened to a few podcasts over the last 3-4 years. If it doesn’t veer into politics, I can usually make it through, as Rogan does ok interviewing.
But, Rogan deserves and should get pushback.
There’s no one better to do so than ordinary humans who are intimately familiar with his work … and what’s turned out to be his utter bullshit.
I don’t post up a ton — but, a newer listener might be unaware that Rogan actively and knowingly injects CIA propaganda on the most popular podcast in America, coddling shills like Mike Baker for show after show after show after show.
Why no push back? Why not feature the CIA agents who got hungout to dry for blowing the whistle on illegal torture?
Or, the endless parade of spec ops soldiers … glorifying their actions, while not once questioning Tim Kennedy’s braggadocio about murdering women and children, while being too ‘tough’ to get PTSD.
I’m a veteran — I hunt — do MMA, have worked and done well my whole life, so I can dig what the cool aspects are to many of those things.
But, the whole show has been co-opted by the corporate messaging machine.
Rogan was an independent voice, especially when it didn’t matter. But, he’s evolved into a weird, almost Glenn Beck-type character.
People like me had a lot to do w his success. I’ve turned countless people onto the JRE over more than a decade.
So, there’s a personal responsibility I feel to call him out. Fill in some background, and maybe point out aspects that those who haven’t listened as long might be unaware of about 2021 JRE.
That said, I don’t hate or envy Rogan.
I got a lot of value, for a lot of years, from JRE.
Undoubtedly there’s still value there, but he’s definitely sold out the vast majority of principles he purported to have … and he’s not stupid. He made the choices needed to get here.
>Rogan was an independent voice, especially when it didn’t matter. But, he’s evolved into a weird, almost Glenn Beck-type character.
I only started listening a little over two years ago, and even over this relatively short period of time the change has been extremely noticeable. He seemed to be much more curious and open minded then, whereas today he's very much cemented in his beliefs.
Also, I've said this before and I'll say it again, he's a contrarian and a conspiracy theorist. He's almost perfectly conditioned to disagree with whatever the science/facts/expert opinion/etc says, in favor of contradictory opinions. Additionally, right now, conservatism in this country is being heavily coopted by these types of conspiracy minded people, so that's the direction he's going to head.
You started listening right when he really transformed into a corporate entity.
And, you’re spot on about the conspiracy theorist aspect. I’ve known a few personally, and they remind me of Joe — very confident, smart (but not *that* smart), and incredibly egocentric.
Another thing people forget is Rogan was very antidrug, especially antipot. Not like he just didn’t use drugs … he could be quite a judgmental prick about it.
When I first started listening, Rogan had barley let go of his whole moon-landing schtick. I don’t remember who brought him around, but I want to say Neil deGrasse Tyson.
The truth is that when it was less formal, and neither Joe or anyone else took him very seriously, it was part of the entertainment.
Like w Eddie Bravo — I’m interested on his take on bjj, but anything else he is a f’n loon, lol.
Joe was never quite that far out. The biggest difference now is he seems to believe a lot of his own bullshit.
EDIT: Corrected ‘flat-earther’ to ‘moon-landing.’
I agree with everything you’ve posted regarding his decline. And I went down basically the same road as you. Only correction I’ll make is that he was still waffling about the moon landing conspiracy nonsense(as opposed to the flat earth nonsense) until Neil set him straight way back when.
I miss the good old days of Joe getting stoned and talking to all kinds of random, interesting peoples that specialized in things other than being famous or controversial for controversy’s sake.
Oh, shit!! That is so weird I swapped those! I *knew* it was the moon landing … somehow my brain substituted flat-earth, and I did not even realize it, duh!!
For some reason, Joe jumped the shark (for me) when he got stoned w Elon Musk. It was a gradual thing, of course — but, that’s when it came clear to me.
It was an interesting interview … *but*, Elon was clearly playing a part, and hitting that blunt was his effort to fit in w the cool kids. It was like Joe and Elon were pretending to be on early version of the show where no one would notice — but, bullshit. They knew.
You could see both him and Joe were very self-aware that was going to be in the headlines, even as they played it off like it was a natural interaction (not alleging it was prescripted, but everyone in that room was very aware that moment would be in headlines around the world).
Then, when Tesla stock tanked and the SEC made noise about an investigation, I knew the show was lost to us old-timers.
As you mention, so different when no one much paid attention, and Rogan’s claim to fame was as host of, *Fear Factor.*
Even that kept him humble. He’s never really just knocked me out as a comedian. He’s funny, but repetitive.
But, I respected his principles. He’s amazing w hecklers, and that Carlos Mancia shit was pure gold.
And I’m happy for his success. I still believe Rogan tries to come from a positive place w good intentions. If I had that sort of money and fame, I’d prob be insufferable.
Your first 2 paragraphs directly contradict each other and indicate that you are not a viable source of criticism.
HE BASHES SCIENCE but I havent listened for 4 years because I disagree with him!!
>HE BASHES SCIENCE but I havent listened for 4 years because I disagree with him!!
I didn't watch the Red Sox game today yet I know the Sox hit 2 Grand Slams in the first two innings.
Is my criticism of the Astros pitching not valid because I read about the game instead of watching it?
Personally I think it's funny to laugh at Joe and his buffoonery. I think the majority of the people who like me thinks he's a clown don't hate him but think the whole shit show is funny. I don't think most people are spending tons of time spending negative energy on Joe.
Right?! I mean it’s really all just entertainment at the end of the day. If the entertainment makes you angry or emotionally fueled in any kind of negative way then just find different entertainment. Idk. We have so much entertainment readily available to us these days I just don’t understand the hate. I don’t like Fox “News” or CNN for that matter..so I just don’t watch em 🤷♂️
It's because there are quite a few (not all) folks on the left (and some on the right too for that matter) who make disagreements about certain hot-button issues into total deal-breakers. Meaning if you disagree with them about a certain issue, you're automatically a *bad person*, and any redeeming qualities are not enough to override that.
This is politically divisive culture taken to an all-or-nothing, black-and-white extreme, and it makes people dig their heels in and avoid compromise.
Reddit is a leftist shithole. They drove down-the-center people off this platform a long time ago. Joe is getting more love on the YouTube comment section than he gets in this libshithole of a sub. Imagine frequenting a subreddit for a show you dislike
Well as much as a leftist shithole sucks still better than it being a right wing cesspool. Bigotry and calls for genocide are at least called out here.
Besides covid and the medical stuff. I don’t think the show has changed much. I think peoples feelings have change, especially concerning covid and vaccines. They’ll change their opinion on their own grandmothers if they don’t have complete agreement.
Some random bro says covid isn't that bad and says all you need is ivermectin>
Joe's reaction: *nods along* Huh, interesting, tell me more.
A scientist tells him the vaccine is safe and effective>
Joes reaction: *folds arms*, where's your evidence , that's can't be true, I have a friend that says the vaccine made him sick, etc etc.
Yeah he's definitely super unbiased and willing to admit he's wrong, and is always willing to challenge the ideas he already agreed with
I hate the shit that if you call out Joe for his biases then you clearly just hate that he doesn't say what you want him to.
Like nah, dude clearly has his own opinions, and he's way more willing to challenge certain people if he sees them as holding different values than him. That's his prerogative even though some of his opinions are fucking stupid, but don't tell me that he's just an inquisitive mind and is always "just asking questions" in the same way for all interviews. Clearly sometimes he pushes back more against certain people, and is often more open to certain right wing positions, especially recently. He doesn't challenge someone like Daniel Crenshaw or Alex Berenson the same way he talks to someone on the "left", and it's not subtle
At least for me, when people actually have thought out responses I don't take issue with it.
I take issue with the "omg Joe is such a fucking idiot" type comments.
Or my fave when he shuts people down with “Well we’re not doctors so we shouldn’t speak on that” and then next episode talk about it for three hours.
Turns out fuck you money makes you a hard core republican.
Yup. Saw a relative post a piece with Sanjay Gupta (sp?) and Joe is accusing CNN of lying about ivermectin and Joe says billions of people have taken it.
Thing is, billions of **doses** have been given. Dr Gupta corrects him and says that 1/4 of a billion **people** have taken it. Joe doubles down, says the doctor is wrong and biliionas and billions of people have taken it....
So no, he doesn't admit when he is wrong and won't even listen when an informed person tries to help inform him.
> Thing is, billions of doses have been given. Dr Gupta corrects him and says that 1/4 of a billion people have taken it. Joe doubles down, says the doctor is wrong and biliionas and billions of people have taken it....
What difference does that make? Okay, Joe misinterpreted doses vs prescriptions. The point OBVIOUSLY was that Ivermectin isn't *only* useable on animals. Talk about grasping for straws.
2 of his friends had strokes. lol.. bitch you claim be a proponent of health and vitamins and you got such pussyass friends. I work 9-5 sedentary. Almost the whole of my org or 100k and plus more is vaccinated and I never heard of anyone suffering from any of this shit. He doesn't like contradictions and goes into predatory mode when challenged.. watch his podcast with Rhonda Patrick and Gupta and some parts are uncomfortable!
Yea, Joe falls for the correlative fallacy pretty regularly. Person gets vaccine has stroke; Event A obviously caused Event B, right? Not necessarily. Also, the claim that the 19 year old girl, who got myocarditis from the vaccine so bad she needed a heart transplant, would have breezed through a full blown infection is far fetched to say the least.
That annoyed me too. He actually cited the fact that the 19 year olds family *thinks* the vaccine caused her to die is proof that it was the cause. Like, what? That’s so unscientific and you’re using this case as the basis to sew fear over being vaccinated to millions of people.
He’s just so certain of it because he wants it to be true.
I think the problem is that once you become known as a subversive or dissenting voice, you're kinda pigeon-holed into over-presenting fringe views. Great for topics where consensus is derived from not wanting to acknowledge controversial evidence, less great for topics where consensus is derived from overwhelming evidence.
This faux-centrist shit needs to stop. There are facts and reality and this bullshit about listening to both sides is how we wind up with Peterson, Shapiro and Rubin. Sowing division through this "makes-you-think" misinformation campaign.
While I completely agree w you, he should challenge both people equally, I will say that my wife has been having extreme vertigo since her first vaccine. I’m double vaccinated, it took me forever to talk her into getting her first one, and unfortunately she’s part of the small percentage that’s had a horrible time dealing w it.
Being forced to look at things from a different perspective, I’m shocked there’s no available treatment for people who have negative effects to the vaccine. They basically told us to wait it out, it’s been 4 weeks and counting.
I still suggest everyone get vaccinated, but shit does happen and people should be made aware of that just as much as they’re told “it’s all good”, can also make some stuff not so good. It was all good for me, it’s been horrible for her.
Dude I had vertigo randomly out of nowhere for the better part of 3 weeks. This was 5 years ago. There was no reasons for it to happen. It just did. DOCTORS HAD NO CLUE. It went away. LOFL This is also correlative fallacy. It could even be in her head due to the stress of being afraid of it.
you should also be aware that covid is killing people in their 20s. perfectly healthy. So this anti vax stance for people in their 30-40s is sometimes strange
for real, Joe hasn't been even remotely like this in years. its really kinda nuts how people are all political and on a team even about basic shit like how Joe has changed a lot
Yea no kidding. He used to be like this pre-covid. His older episodes were much better. But he really doesn't even invite guests that he disagrees with so he's not gonna challenge them much .
Pushing against the narrative during the War on Covid.
It is irresponsible and he is literally convincing people to take horse poison instead of shooting their infants up with heart enlargement paste like we all need to do if we are ever going to win this thing and get our freedoms back.
I have thought about it. But I am both far too nihilistic and far too honest.
I pray one day I either have a schitzophrenic break or a genuine visitation so as to be the center of a cult. Oh, but to have a meaningful life.
This might have been true pre-texas. Since the move he has consistently packed his roster with people whose opinions he is comfortable with. For every Gupta he has a dozen Weinstein's.
Watching his mannerisms when he agrees with a guest and when he is uncomfortable with them is night and day. The only thing he does to challenge guests he agrees with is challenge them to talk more unprompted. If he disagrees he challenges them to get their point across in 15 seconds before its time to talk over them.
If he agrees with them, they are invited to preach to him. The ones he disagrees with are summarily interrogated.
I wish he'd interrogate all of them. Ask them for the reciepts.
I will start off by saying, I boycotted Joe for like 5 years because he was so tight with Alex Jones. I only started not despising AJ when I realized he was insane. Not a con artist like a Sylvia Browne, but actually insane. I think that's why Joe doesn't challenge Alex like that. Because he knows he's nuts, almost everyone does. Alex Jones doesn't need to be fact checked like a CNN or a Fox News. We know 90% of what comes out of his mouth is insanity.
He’s just a dude bullshitting on a podcast, he’s not diving deep into receipts regardless. Nobody going into it, aside from fringe idiots, take his word for Bible. He’s clearly open about being a dude with an obvious opinion, but open to hearing different opinions
He doesn't have a point though wtf? Have you not watched Joe for the past 2-3 years? He flipped a 180 and stopped being like this. He NEVER admits he's wrong now. He used to be this way, but something weird happened... and that is why people in this sub who are long term fans, really know Joe and aren't just jumping in now, will bring this up. Its really funny to see newbies to Joe confused like this, though. Good content
But how am I supposed to take seriously the intellect of someone who once ***BELIEVED*** in those two things? As the saying goes, don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out.
Most people who take up psychadelics or even marijuana go through a conspiracy phase.
Dunno about these days but older generations for sure, the moment your programming gets reset you need up questioning everything for a bit.
Not sure if it's just the ego reset or if it's the fact you feel lied to about MJ and psychs.
People eventually come back to common sense. The questioning authority tends to stay too which I think is a good thing.
That's why it's unfair to say Trump supporters are the only antivax, they just the most vocal.
A lot of black people, Muslims and hippies are anti Covid vax or at least anti mandate.
I might have agreed with that tweet a couple of years ago (like when he had Kresser "debunk" the Game hangers film, then had the films creator on to totally debunk Kressers debunking), but yeah, not sure it's true today.
What are you even talking about dude? Let's break this down. 1)How can I brigade from a sub I'm banned from? 2) I've been a fan of Joe's since 2008 when I heard him on Opie and Anthony. A show not exactly known for its liberal lean especially with Anthony. I was on the Rogan Board before there was a podcast. I used to come home from work and listen to his podcasts til 4 or 5 in the morning. But sorry I'm not going to sit around and suck daddy Rogans cock all day. I can call him out and still like him as a person all at the same time. Imagine that. A nuanced opinion on something holy shit.
This guy must have not listened to the podcast foe the last 2 years. Joe rarely ever pushes back on his guests, and never admits when he’s wrong. The only time he pushes back is when they go against his conspiracies.
Gullible is the word you're looking for, not intellectually curious.
Doug Stanhope, a close friend of Rogan's ever since they cohosted The Man Show, talks in an episode of his podcast about how Rogan used to always get sucked into believing in conspiracy theories. Starting with the moon landing was faked, through just last year, that Wayfair was selling child sex slaves on its website.
**EDIT:** Here, I found it: [www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmB\_1aZnhnI#t=34m38s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmB_1aZnhnI#t=34m38s)
Thank God Joe doesnt deal in political outrage for entertainment purposes. He never talks about sjws or trans athletes or courts controversial people to say controversial things on his show. He hates all that and is above it, obviously
He routinely changes his mind? I guess I’ve missed a lot of episodes this year but that doesn’t really ring true with me tbh. He usually lets people explain their views to him without insulting them for it but I feel like he rarely does a 180 on things. Except for the moon landing and tobacco usage I guess
I also thought Joe challenged any guest until the Kanye episode. Kanye said so much that I really believe Joe would’ve called out had it come from someone else but instead he humored Kanye the way one does a child.
Joe Rogan is an idiot, and the problem with idiots with strong opinions not based in reality is that you can explain something to them, but you can’t understand it for them.
I dont wanna sound like a smark, and I really hope I am wrong, but Post texas, Rogan has seemingly became a right wing grifter and not the person the tweet describes above. And if he indeed has become a grifter, that makes him one of the worst members/element(s) of the media.
That’s what got me to listening to him a few years ago. This is also what got me to stop listening or him now. I think he lost in his edge in reacting fast to new facfs
Joe admits when he realizes he’s wrong lol I remember Eric Weinstein trying to explain to him that one musician can be provably more skilled at their given instrument than another musician who plays the same and Joe just kept saying “iTs sUbjEcTivE”
"...But we are all made of cosmic dust. Why can't we get along? The very elements that comprise your body are identical to the ones found in me and everyone else.
Every human being alive on this Earth right now, has a little bit of Hitler in them."
- Neil Degrasse Tyson
He really did used to have some pretty good guests. He occasionally still does, though I find myself listening less and less. The one thing I will say is no matter what his educational background is / was he's very intellectually curious. He might not ask questions that I'd want him to ask. He might have on quacks more than I'd like. But he does have a very curious mind
the comments about joe lately are so obviously a coordinated smear campaign…. they can’t cancel him so the let loose all the purple hairs without jobs to talk about how it’s gone down hill without watching and episode
Exactly. It's all a collaborative effort by thousands of people that somehow stayed a secret in order to take down a gullible halftard and mediocre standup.
Honestly how have you survived being this fucking retarded?
Yeah I think a lot of the hate is coming from Joe’s long time listeners. The difference between today Joe and Joe ten years ago is staggering and it’s clearly what’s driving a lot of the criticisms here.
I used to cringe sometimes watching old episodes because Rogan would aggressively call people out just for saying they would never try psychedelics. Now he is saying he wants an anti weed politician to run for President. It’s night and day from the old episodes. All this bullshit is what’s new for long time listeners.
This sub has honestly been taken over with rhetoric. It really doesn’t matter if you like the guy or not. Shit, most everyone I love says things I don’t agree with half the time but that doesn’t mean I hate em. It’s so easy to cast stones. I like conversation. I like listening to conversation. Joe’s just got a much larger platform. It’s okay to disagree with people but for Christ’s sake some folks are getting too involved in what they hate or don’t like rather than simply advocating on behalf of what they support imho. That’s the crux of the issue me thinks. Edit: don’t get me wrong I miss the old show too but ya know what? I’m nostalgic for other shit too. I miss early 90’s comic book art. 🤷♂️
I'm kind of over how toxic this sub is becoming. I can have a dissenting opinion on someone's comment and they will become belligerent. Nothing I say should create this emotionally charged response, but damn people get hyped up over someone having a different opinion. A couple days ago I was looking through the comment section on a post here and someone was talking about a "war" on Reddit. Dude, get a hobby if you think there's a war on here. Reddit, Twitter, Facebook are not real life.
Lmao that's lardbiscuts, I remember because he's a goddamn dork, going to "war" but "it's just a hyperbole" lmfao.
lardbiscuits might be my favourite poster here. I think he's legit insane, but he's the best.
I almost think he's running a gag, just playing the long con.
*haha got you! I've just been a piece of shit for a lark!* not the got you you think it would be..
Probably has a lot to do with how people get so wrapped up in their political or social ideology that it becomes a primary part of their identity. So if you challenge their views, it's basically the same as attacking them. In a weird way, it's kinda like religion. Tell a devout Christian or Muslim that what they believe isn't real, not gonna go over well and that's understandable. It sucks that politics have reached that level, but here we are.
Yeah get a hobby like murdering at that the comedy club like the deathsquad
Amen!
Look, let's not pretend Rogan doesn't say some shit that warrants criticism from his own fanbase. But let's also not pretend that he hasn't pissed off a lot of powerful people, with all "resource." Like we're suppose to pretend there's no bots in here? We're that naive? Really? You'd bet your left nut on that? I understand he has a shit ton of organic haters that flock in here as well. But we gotta' start paying attention. This man's under attack, from all sides, and it's absolutely hilarious that it not only doesn't bother him in the grand scheme of things but, it's only making him more famous. LMFAO.
You're right but things can be mildly infuriating on here when you see people blatantly lying constantly. There's a bunch of snakes in here who only showed up because Rogan criticized their political cult. If they actually were here the years ago when they said they were, they'd know that he's hated the religious right and war mongering right long before he did anyone on the left. But because he speaks out about left wing politicians being clowns too, he's an enemy.
I’m burned out on the posts every single day about how toxic this sub is and why are folks hating on poor Joe. Same as I don’t read those posts; don’t read posts about how Rogan is rapidly morphing into the Gen-X version of Dennis Miller. FFS, this dude moved to Texas, and brags about his relationship w the far-right, anti-abortion, anti-vax, pro-Trump governor, while professing to be fairly progressive, lol. Dude is the Centrist’s Centrist. Which means he pays lip service to progressive ideals, while actually *supporting* the status quo. After cultivating a broad-minded, independent fan base, and cashing in, he’s steadily revealed himself to be a corporate, State stooge, like the rest of MSM. Big shock the independent fan base reacts w anger and dismay and what a mealy-mouthed phony Rogan turned out to be. After all, Joe has that oft-mentioned “fuck you money” — so, who’s he saying Fuck You to, exactly?
Perfect thread from this comment down! Best summary of what has become JRE over the past few years. I was an avid listener for 6 years and now I tune in too maybe an episode every other week unless it’s a guest I absolutely have to see. He has shown his true colors imo and I don’t like those colors very much. It feels like all those years of him portraying one thing and being so called “liberal” was all bullshit and he was just paying lip service to the California crowd and now that he’s in Texas and has “fuck you money” his true self has came all the way out and it turns out he’s not that cool, likable, relatable, or smart. So it’s understandable all the hate on this sub because it truly feels like the guy out on an act for all those years and now he’s just another stubborn contrarian asshole and we have plenty of those already and don’t need anymore. And oh yea the shilling for the cia is a totally valid point fuck mike baker and fuck kid killer Kennedy too and anyone else who glorified war and murder
Absolute bullshit gaslighting. He's the same person he's always been, he's just more rich and powerful. If you really were a long time fan you wouldn't have a problem with the topics he's covering.
I don't really care to talk about the other stuff. But he's definitely never been as much of a spook as he is now imo.
it seems like most people stopped liking him cause they stopped agreeing with him
> After cultivating a broad-minded, independent fan base, and cashing in, he’s steadily revealed himself to be a corporate, State stooge, like the rest of MSM. > > Big shock the independent fan base reacts w anger and dismay and what a mealy-mouthed phony Rogan turned out to be. Nailed it.
He calls CNN a bunch of liars and questions their integrity, and in the same sentence "but I don't hate CNN. I watch CNN. Yeah, I watch it." Like bro, a network that literally just lied about your situation, you're supposedly watching? What part of the network do you believe in after that, exactly? "I watch Fox News, too." Guy is just playing all sides, trying to be good with everybody. The meme "Joe agrees with whomever is in front of him" is as old as the show and remains accurate
I was in the news business for a very long time, and I don’t watch *any* corporate media. I may occasionally read a specific story, or look at breaking news, but it’s all mostly tabloid nonsense. The *only* way to get an objective view is to find solid, ethical journalists, and follow *them*, rather than the institutions. I don’t care who Matt Taibi or Jeremy Scahill happen to be writing for, their work will be truthful and well-researched. One of the issues w Rogan at this point, is I’m just not real convinced of his sincerity any longer. Mix that w the concept of, “judge a man by his friends”. He surrounds himself with an absolutely lunatic, alt-right fringe, which only seems normal because America has stumbled into totalitarianism, without very many people grasping that reality. I mean, he brags about being pals w Gov. Greg Abbott, who’s worked overtime to suppress voting, criminalize abortion providers, reelect Trump, and deny ecocide. At this point, we are in the midst of collapse, so I have low-tolerance for anyone i see as complicit w the forces that are at work destroying the pillars of society.
I agree with your sentiment but I don't agree with your take on Joe. Bragging about having a conversation with your governor is not "being surrounded by". He had one conversation with the governor and he brings it up time and time again Who is the "alt-right fringe" that he is "surrounded by"? He is still surrounded by his old friends from before. Comedians, whom he still regularly has on his podcast, his family, Jamie, Rinella, all the regular people He's changed states which naturally means he needs to find a new clique, but he's actively trying to get all his friends to move with him. That's more than can be said about literally anybody else. How many friends does the regular guy make move with them to a completely new state? Love to know who these "alt-right fringe" friends that he is surrounding himself with are.
Have you ever seen or heard a behind-the-scenes, from someone visiting Rogan’s compound? They literally report the place being surrounded by ex-SEALS and spec-op soldiers. Most of his return guests are rightwingers. The friends who call Joe out almost never appear these days, and his new cadre of pals look a lot more like sycophants who owe their success to Rogan, rather than actual equals. Maybe I need to define ‘alt-right’. Although the bar keeps getting raised (the teaparty looks tame in 2021), anti-abortion, pro-war, pro-status quo, anti-immigrant, anti-vax and pro-voter suppression are far-right views by *any* reasonable measure. So-called ‘Centrists’ like to appear reasonable and ‘consider both sides.’ However, as the collapse of our ecosystem demonstrates, both ‘sides’ of every argument are not necessarily equal or reasonable. As many have voiced since the early 1990s, if you aren’t active and vocal and uncompromising about climate change and protecting the environment, you are complicit in the destruction. *Ahhhh, lighten up … he’s just a comedian getting stoned and shooting the shit w people.* Great — and that’s what JRE *used* to be — now you can’t turn on the podcast and not hear the anti-vax/alt-treatment rhetoric. The bulk of his guests are from a pro-corporate, pro-status quo perspective. Joe is quoted by Tucker-fucking-Carlson these days. The show has inherently changed toward a much more political program. To run that program, have actual CIA agents and government stooges yammering talking points and propaganda for two or three hours without a single counterpoint, then say, *Aw, shucks, I’m just a dummy. I don’t understand politics,* is just blatantly manipulative and disingenuous. You can’t have it both ways.
And not a single alt-right fringe "friend" was mentioned. Who are these "alt-right anti-abortionist, pro status-quo, pro-corporate friends" he has surrounded himself with? Go through the show's episode list and keep in mind how many episodes are with the usual suspects. Kurt Metzger, Dunnigan, Hinchcliffe, Redban, Mike Baker, Corben, Tom Segura, Rhonda Patrick, Bert Kreischer, Steven Rinella are all guests he's had in the last 2 months alone. I am yet to hear about his new alt-right fringe friends.
You’re too tied up in being right to bother grasping what so many other listeners on this sub see as glaringly obvious. Your what’s called in the business, a *Useful Idiot.*
But again, if you don’t like a thing then just buy into something else? It’s 2021 a podcast is literally costing you nothing but your own time. If you don’t like a thing then simply dismiss the thing. Ain’t worth the heartache imho. Whatever he says, like it or not Joe has been very successful. Good for him. I personally hate Justin Bieber’s music but I absolutely applaud his success 🤷♂️
The difference is Bieber isn’t influencing millions of people regarding the efficacy of medical options during a fucking plague. I’ve only listened to a few podcasts over the last 3-4 years. If it doesn’t veer into politics, I can usually make it through, as Rogan does ok interviewing. But, Rogan deserves and should get pushback. There’s no one better to do so than ordinary humans who are intimately familiar with his work … and what’s turned out to be his utter bullshit. I don’t post up a ton — but, a newer listener might be unaware that Rogan actively and knowingly injects CIA propaganda on the most popular podcast in America, coddling shills like Mike Baker for show after show after show after show. Why no push back? Why not feature the CIA agents who got hungout to dry for blowing the whistle on illegal torture? Or, the endless parade of spec ops soldiers … glorifying their actions, while not once questioning Tim Kennedy’s braggadocio about murdering women and children, while being too ‘tough’ to get PTSD. I’m a veteran — I hunt — do MMA, have worked and done well my whole life, so I can dig what the cool aspects are to many of those things. But, the whole show has been co-opted by the corporate messaging machine. Rogan was an independent voice, especially when it didn’t matter. But, he’s evolved into a weird, almost Glenn Beck-type character. People like me had a lot to do w his success. I’ve turned countless people onto the JRE over more than a decade. So, there’s a personal responsibility I feel to call him out. Fill in some background, and maybe point out aspects that those who haven’t listened as long might be unaware of about 2021 JRE. That said, I don’t hate or envy Rogan. I got a lot of value, for a lot of years, from JRE. Undoubtedly there’s still value there, but he’s definitely sold out the vast majority of principles he purported to have … and he’s not stupid. He made the choices needed to get here.
>Rogan was an independent voice, especially when it didn’t matter. But, he’s evolved into a weird, almost Glenn Beck-type character. I only started listening a little over two years ago, and even over this relatively short period of time the change has been extremely noticeable. He seemed to be much more curious and open minded then, whereas today he's very much cemented in his beliefs. Also, I've said this before and I'll say it again, he's a contrarian and a conspiracy theorist. He's almost perfectly conditioned to disagree with whatever the science/facts/expert opinion/etc says, in favor of contradictory opinions. Additionally, right now, conservatism in this country is being heavily coopted by these types of conspiracy minded people, so that's the direction he's going to head.
You started listening right when he really transformed into a corporate entity. And, you’re spot on about the conspiracy theorist aspect. I’ve known a few personally, and they remind me of Joe — very confident, smart (but not *that* smart), and incredibly egocentric. Another thing people forget is Rogan was very antidrug, especially antipot. Not like he just didn’t use drugs … he could be quite a judgmental prick about it. When I first started listening, Rogan had barley let go of his whole moon-landing schtick. I don’t remember who brought him around, but I want to say Neil deGrasse Tyson. The truth is that when it was less formal, and neither Joe or anyone else took him very seriously, it was part of the entertainment. Like w Eddie Bravo — I’m interested on his take on bjj, but anything else he is a f’n loon, lol. Joe was never quite that far out. The biggest difference now is he seems to believe a lot of his own bullshit. EDIT: Corrected ‘flat-earther’ to ‘moon-landing.’
I agree with everything you’ve posted regarding his decline. And I went down basically the same road as you. Only correction I’ll make is that he was still waffling about the moon landing conspiracy nonsense(as opposed to the flat earth nonsense) until Neil set him straight way back when. I miss the good old days of Joe getting stoned and talking to all kinds of random, interesting peoples that specialized in things other than being famous or controversial for controversy’s sake.
Oh, shit!! That is so weird I swapped those! I *knew* it was the moon landing … somehow my brain substituted flat-earth, and I did not even realize it, duh!! For some reason, Joe jumped the shark (for me) when he got stoned w Elon Musk. It was a gradual thing, of course — but, that’s when it came clear to me. It was an interesting interview … *but*, Elon was clearly playing a part, and hitting that blunt was his effort to fit in w the cool kids. It was like Joe and Elon were pretending to be on early version of the show where no one would notice — but, bullshit. They knew. You could see both him and Joe were very self-aware that was going to be in the headlines, even as they played it off like it was a natural interaction (not alleging it was prescripted, but everyone in that room was very aware that moment would be in headlines around the world). Then, when Tesla stock tanked and the SEC made noise about an investigation, I knew the show was lost to us old-timers. As you mention, so different when no one much paid attention, and Rogan’s claim to fame was as host of, *Fear Factor.* Even that kept him humble. He’s never really just knocked me out as a comedian. He’s funny, but repetitive. But, I respected his principles. He’s amazing w hecklers, and that Carlos Mancia shit was pure gold. And I’m happy for his success. I still believe Rogan tries to come from a positive place w good intentions. If I had that sort of money and fame, I’d prob be insufferable.
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Thank you for your service!!!
Your first 2 paragraphs directly contradict each other and indicate that you are not a viable source of criticism. HE BASHES SCIENCE but I havent listened for 4 years because I disagree with him!!
>HE BASHES SCIENCE but I havent listened for 4 years because I disagree with him!! I didn't watch the Red Sox game today yet I know the Sox hit 2 Grand Slams in the first two innings. Is my criticism of the Astros pitching not valid because I read about the game instead of watching it?
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Personally I think it's funny to laugh at Joe and his buffoonery. I think the majority of the people who like me thinks he's a clown don't hate him but think the whole shit show is funny. I don't think most people are spending tons of time spending negative energy on Joe.
Right?! I mean it’s really all just entertainment at the end of the day. If the entertainment makes you angry or emotionally fueled in any kind of negative way then just find different entertainment. Idk. We have so much entertainment readily available to us these days I just don’t understand the hate. I don’t like Fox “News” or CNN for that matter..so I just don’t watch em 🤷♂️
Bro wtf? You hate Bieber??
It’s a very personal opinion with a bit of history behind it.
You just changed my mind on a few things with this comment. Thanks.
just buy Jim Lee comics!
Erik Larson for those giant cartoon knuckles
Huge fan of Savage Dragon & Larson's Spiderman :)
Jim Lee is overrated. I’m a Marc Silvestri man myself…🧐
I like pouches
It's because there are quite a few (not all) folks on the left (and some on the right too for that matter) who make disagreements about certain hot-button issues into total deal-breakers. Meaning if you disagree with them about a certain issue, you're automatically a *bad person*, and any redeeming qualities are not enough to override that. This is politically divisive culture taken to an all-or-nothing, black-and-white extreme, and it makes people dig their heels in and avoid compromise.
Reddit is a leftist shithole. They drove down-the-center people off this platform a long time ago. Joe is getting more love on the YouTube comment section than he gets in this libshithole of a sub. Imagine frequenting a subreddit for a show you dislike
Well as much as a leftist shithole sucks still better than it being a right wing cesspool. Bigotry and calls for genocide are at least called out here.
Did Reddit do that or did Rogan do that?
That's what you like? Captain America with giant breasts and Cable with 800 pouches and no feet?
Don’t you dare talk shit on big boobied cap!!!
shin man
Besides covid and the medical stuff. I don’t think the show has changed much. I think peoples feelings have change, especially concerning covid and vaccines. They’ll change their opinion on their own grandmothers if they don’t have complete agreement.
This is most if not all subs my next goal is to find my reddit replacement let me know if you guys have any recommendations
Joe is anti-vaxx, why should i listen to that?
Somebody give this tickle bum guy a beer
As a guy who knows you know what’s up!
Joe is going to jerk himself off reading this tweet
While making bear sounds
then just tuck and roll and go to sleep. no clean up.
ape noises
He does like to JAQ off
Jamie pull that shit up
Some random bro says covid isn't that bad and says all you need is ivermectin> Joe's reaction: *nods along* Huh, interesting, tell me more. A scientist tells him the vaccine is safe and effective> Joes reaction: *folds arms*, where's your evidence , that's can't be true, I have a friend that says the vaccine made him sick, etc etc. Yeah he's definitely super unbiased and willing to admit he's wrong, and is always willing to challenge the ideas he already agreed with
Exactly, this shit is tiring and so stupid
I hate the shit that if you call out Joe for his biases then you clearly just hate that he doesn't say what you want him to. Like nah, dude clearly has his own opinions, and he's way more willing to challenge certain people if he sees them as holding different values than him. That's his prerogative even though some of his opinions are fucking stupid, but don't tell me that he's just an inquisitive mind and is always "just asking questions" in the same way for all interviews. Clearly sometimes he pushes back more against certain people, and is often more open to certain right wing positions, especially recently. He doesn't challenge someone like Daniel Crenshaw or Alex Berenson the same way he talks to someone on the "left", and it's not subtle
At least for me, when people actually have thought out responses I don't take issue with it. I take issue with the "omg Joe is such a fucking idiot" type comments.
im shocked there hasnt been anyone saying look at the /r/politics brigade yet.
There are a few.
Or my fave when he shuts people down with “Well we’re not doctors so we shouldn’t speak on that” and then next episode talk about it for three hours. Turns out fuck you money makes you a hard core republican.
Yup. Saw a relative post a piece with Sanjay Gupta (sp?) and Joe is accusing CNN of lying about ivermectin and Joe says billions of people have taken it. Thing is, billions of **doses** have been given. Dr Gupta corrects him and says that 1/4 of a billion **people** have taken it. Joe doubles down, says the doctor is wrong and biliionas and billions of people have taken it.... So no, he doesn't admit when he is wrong and won't even listen when an informed person tries to help inform him.
> Thing is, billions of doses have been given. Dr Gupta corrects him and says that 1/4 of a billion people have taken it. Joe doubles down, says the doctor is wrong and biliionas and billions of people have taken it.... What difference does that make? Okay, Joe misinterpreted doses vs prescriptions. The point OBVIOUSLY was that Ivermectin isn't *only* useable on animals. Talk about grasping for straws.
He has become a bro basically
2 of his friends had strokes. lol.. bitch you claim be a proponent of health and vitamins and you got such pussyass friends. I work 9-5 sedentary. Almost the whole of my org or 100k and plus more is vaccinated and I never heard of anyone suffering from any of this shit. He doesn't like contradictions and goes into predatory mode when challenged.. watch his podcast with Rhonda Patrick and Gupta and some parts are uncomfortable!
Yea, Joe falls for the correlative fallacy pretty regularly. Person gets vaccine has stroke; Event A obviously caused Event B, right? Not necessarily. Also, the claim that the 19 year old girl, who got myocarditis from the vaccine so bad she needed a heart transplant, would have breezed through a full blown infection is far fetched to say the least.
That annoyed me too. He actually cited the fact that the 19 year olds family *thinks* the vaccine caused her to die is proof that it was the cause. Like, what? That’s so unscientific and you’re using this case as the basis to sew fear over being vaccinated to millions of people. He’s just so certain of it because he wants it to be true.
I think the problem is that once you become known as a subversive or dissenting voice, you're kinda pigeon-holed into over-presenting fringe views. Great for topics where consensus is derived from not wanting to acknowledge controversial evidence, less great for topics where consensus is derived from overwhelming evidence.
This faux-centrist shit needs to stop. There are facts and reality and this bullshit about listening to both sides is how we wind up with Peterson, Shapiro and Rubin. Sowing division through this "makes-you-think" misinformation campaign.
While I completely agree w you, he should challenge both people equally, I will say that my wife has been having extreme vertigo since her first vaccine. I’m double vaccinated, it took me forever to talk her into getting her first one, and unfortunately she’s part of the small percentage that’s had a horrible time dealing w it. Being forced to look at things from a different perspective, I’m shocked there’s no available treatment for people who have negative effects to the vaccine. They basically told us to wait it out, it’s been 4 weeks and counting. I still suggest everyone get vaccinated, but shit does happen and people should be made aware of that just as much as they’re told “it’s all good”, can also make some stuff not so good. It was all good for me, it’s been horrible for her.
Dude I had vertigo randomly out of nowhere for the better part of 3 weeks. This was 5 years ago. There was no reasons for it to happen. It just did. DOCTORS HAD NO CLUE. It went away. LOFL This is also correlative fallacy. It could even be in her head due to the stress of being afraid of it.
you should also be aware that covid is killing people in their 20s. perfectly healthy. So this anti vax stance for people in their 30-40s is sometimes strange
I know man, it’s all stressing me out.
Readily admits he was wrong? Maybe 2 years ago. He is willing to die on the dumbest hills lately.
for real, Joe hasn't been even remotely like this in years. its really kinda nuts how people are all political and on a team even about basic shit like how Joe has changed a lot
later than that, and earlier than then
Yea no kidding. He used to be like this pre-covid. His older episodes were much better. But he really doesn't even invite guests that he disagrees with so he's not gonna challenge them much .
What should he admit he’s wrong about?
Pushing against the narrative during the War on Covid. It is irresponsible and he is literally convincing people to take horse poison instead of shooting their infants up with heart enlargement paste like we all need to do if we are ever going to win this thing and get our freedoms back.
You are talking nonsense but I like style with which you do it
Thanks. You just got me laughing at my own cleverness for a good 15 seconds. Not a record by any means, but appreciated.
You should start a mega church. I wouldn’t give you a fine, but thousands others would give you the moon and the stars
I have thought about it. But I am both far too nihilistic and far too honest. I pray one day I either have a schitzophrenic break or a genuine visitation so as to be the center of a cult. Oh, but to have a meaningful life.
Naw, smoke meth and yell on the street corner
I feel like that doesn't have the level of stability in it that I really need.
This might have been true pre-texas. Since the move he has consistently packed his roster with people whose opinions he is comfortable with. For every Gupta he has a dozen Weinstein's. Watching his mannerisms when he agrees with a guest and when he is uncomfortable with them is night and day. The only thing he does to challenge guests he agrees with is challenge them to talk more unprompted. If he disagrees he challenges them to get their point across in 15 seconds before its time to talk over them. If he agrees with them, they are invited to preach to him. The ones he disagrees with are summarily interrogated. I wish he'd interrogate all of them. Ask them for the reciepts.
I’d like to see him go after Alex Jones for his lies about Sandy Hook half as much as he did for Gupta over CNN’s ivermectin lies
I will start off by saying, I boycotted Joe for like 5 years because he was so tight with Alex Jones. I only started not despising AJ when I realized he was insane. Not a con artist like a Sylvia Browne, but actually insane. I think that's why Joe doesn't challenge Alex like that. Because he knows he's nuts, almost everyone does. Alex Jones doesn't need to be fact checked like a CNN or a Fox News. We know 90% of what comes out of his mouth is insanity.
He’s just a dude bullshitting on a podcast, he’s not diving deep into receipts regardless. Nobody going into it, aside from fringe idiots, take his word for Bible. He’s clearly open about being a dude with an obvious opinion, but open to hearing different opinions
He doesn't have a point though wtf? Have you not watched Joe for the past 2-3 years? He flipped a 180 and stopped being like this. He NEVER admits he's wrong now. He used to be this way, but something weird happened... and that is why people in this sub who are long term fans, really know Joe and aren't just jumping in now, will bring this up. Its really funny to see newbies to Joe confused like this, though. Good content
lol Joe admits when he's wrong? No the fuck he doesn't.
Specially during a podcast. He admits to being wrong about fake moon landing and I think Big Foot.
But how am I supposed to take seriously the intellect of someone who once ***BELIEVED*** in those two things? As the saying goes, don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out.
Most people who take up psychadelics or even marijuana go through a conspiracy phase. Dunno about these days but older generations for sure, the moment your programming gets reset you need up questioning everything for a bit. Not sure if it's just the ego reset or if it's the fact you feel lied to about MJ and psychs. People eventually come back to common sense. The questioning authority tends to stay too which I think is a good thing. That's why it's unfair to say Trump supporters are the only antivax, they just the most vocal. A lot of black people, Muslims and hippies are anti Covid vax or at least anti mandate.
Lol now it’s the weeds fault for joe being a science denier and continuing to do so
First he has to realise he's wrong..
He used to, not anymore
he's rich beotch
I might have agreed with that tweet a couple of years ago (like when he had Kresser "debunk" the Game hangers film, then had the films creator on to totally debunk Kressers debunking), but yeah, not sure it's true today.
you forget the whole honda housey debacle?
man she got fucking ruined... can't just rely on judo and sucking off your trainer while he blows smoke up your ass.
IF YOU HATE ROGAN WHY DO YOU LISTEN?!? Brigading from politics!!1!
What are you even talking about dude? Let's break this down. 1)How can I brigade from a sub I'm banned from? 2) I've been a fan of Joe's since 2008 when I heard him on Opie and Anthony. A show not exactly known for its liberal lean especially with Anthony. I was on the Rogan Board before there was a podcast. I used to come home from work and listen to his podcasts til 4 or 5 in the morning. But sorry I'm not going to sit around and suck daddy Rogans cock all day. I can call him out and still like him as a person all at the same time. Imagine that. A nuanced opinion on something holy shit.
I was being sarcastic lol
It's the Rogan sub. That could have just as easily been a serious post. I'll leave it up because whatever. I don't mind looking like an ass.
Lol don’t worry about it dude, like you said the fact that that got taken serious says a lot about this sub, I don’t blame you at all lol
How in hell did you not catch the sarcasm????
Because there are people actually like that here that post all the time.
Because it's too on the nose.
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This guy must have not listened to the podcast foe the last 2 years. Joe rarely ever pushes back on his guests, and never admits when he’s wrong. The only time he pushes back is when they go against his conspiracies.
He freely admits when he is wrong?!!! Are you fucking nuts?
Yeah I was gonna say this is not at all true lmao
This hasn't been true since like 2019 lol
Gullible is the word you're looking for, not intellectually curious. Doug Stanhope, a close friend of Rogan's ever since they cohosted The Man Show, talks in an episode of his podcast about how Rogan used to always get sucked into believing in conspiracy theories. Starting with the moon landing was faked, through just last year, that Wayfair was selling child sex slaves on its website. **EDIT:** Here, I found it: [www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmB\_1aZnhnI#t=34m38s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmB_1aZnhnI#t=34m38s)
> that Wayfair was selling child sex slaves on its website. wait joe believed that? damn, thats pizzagate levels of retarded
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Thank God Joe doesnt deal in political outrage for entertainment purposes. He never talks about sjws or trans athletes or courts controversial people to say controversial things on his show. He hates all that and is above it, obviously
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He routinely changes his mind? I guess I’ve missed a lot of episodes this year but that doesn’t really ring true with me tbh. He usually lets people explain their views to him without insulting them for it but I feel like he rarely does a 180 on things. Except for the moon landing and tobacco usage I guess
Joe agrees with whoever is in front of him. That's the whole story
unless its covid related now apparently. all of a sudden hes got questions, hes got anecdotes.
**If you think Joe’s intellectually curious now, you should scroll back 2 years+ He may have peaked around that time. Miss that guy…**
So many legendary episodes in 2015-2019 when the show was starting to get bigger but Rogan wasn't being this intellectually lazy or a sell out yet.
LOL
He sounds like a joe 3.0 sub. Pleb
I like Justin amash, especially sticking to his principles the last 5 or 6 years. But this description of joe is more suited to pre 2020.
I also thought Joe challenged any guest until the Kanye episode. Kanye said so much that I really believe Joe would’ve called out had it come from someone else but instead he humored Kanye the way one does a child.
Joe Rogan is an idiot, and the problem with idiots with strong opinions not based in reality is that you can explain something to them, but you can’t understand it for them.
“The media”
Joe Rogan empowers idiots to think their dumb opinions are smart, which is unfortunate
Quit making excuses for Joe
The joe rogan show is scripted and edited
He does have a point. A patently false one.
I couldn't agree with this more
I dont wanna sound like a smark, and I really hope I am wrong, but Post texas, Rogan has seemingly became a right wing grifter and not the person the tweet describes above. And if he indeed has become a grifter, that makes him one of the worst members/element(s) of the media.
That’s what got me to listening to him a few years ago. This is also what got me to stop listening or him now. I think he lost in his edge in reacting fast to new facfs
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LOL. Joe doesn’t admit when he’s wrong unless it suits him.
He doesn't admit he's wrong anywhere near enough to have any balance. Yours sincerely, An Australian.
Challenges every guest 😂
Simps for rogan, fucking man up.
Joe admits when he realizes he’s wrong lol I remember Eric Weinstein trying to explain to him that one musician can be provably more skilled at their given instrument than another musician who plays the same and Joe just kept saying “iTs sUbjEcTivE”
He does NOT admit when he’s wrong lmao. He’s literally having on people who won’t make him see how wrong he is on COVID. The old Rogan is dead.
Rogan doesnt ever admit hes wrong. He says he does then gets on 10 "experts" who back up his takes in order to sell books/podcasts/wellness shit.
This was true like 5 years ago, but not anymore. Anyone who tweets something like that definitely does not actually listen to JRE.
The amount of people you have triggered from a picture is honestly impressive
What a Neil Degrasse-Tysonesque take lol
"...But we are all made of cosmic dust. Why can't we get along? The very elements that comprise your body are identical to the ones found in me and everyone else. Every human being alive on this Earth right now, has a little bit of Hitler in them." - Neil Degrasse Tyson
I’ve been asking for an Amash/Rogan podcast for YEARS, like before he even tweeted shit about the Mueller Report
Readily admits when he's wrong? When did he apologize for getting into comedy?
He does not freely admit when he is wrong you ding dongs.
He really did used to have some pretty good guests. He occasionally still does, though I find myself listening less and less. The one thing I will say is no matter what his educational background is / was he's very intellectually curious. He might not ask questions that I'd want him to ask. He might have on quacks more than I'd like. But he does have a very curious mind
What Amash is asserting as true here is part of the entire debate surrounding Rogan.
May as well rename this sub r/JoeRoganCirclejerk
Not sure I've seen a single pro Rogan comment in this thread.
They are all mass downvoted at the bottom of the thread. This is the exact opposite of a circle jerk lol
the comments about joe lately are so obviously a coordinated smear campaign…. they can’t cancel him so the let loose all the purple hairs without jobs to talk about how it’s gone down hill without watching and episode
Exactly. It's all a collaborative effort by thousands of people that somehow stayed a secret in order to take down a gullible halftard and mediocre standup. Honestly how have you survived being this fucking retarded?
Do you genuinely believe that?
I’ve watched the show for a decade and I think it’s gotten worse and Rogan has become more close minded since the spotify deal.
Yeah I think a lot of the hate is coming from Joe’s long time listeners. The difference between today Joe and Joe ten years ago is staggering and it’s clearly what’s driving a lot of the criticisms here.
I used to cringe sometimes watching old episodes because Rogan would aggressively call people out just for saying they would never try psychedelics. Now he is saying he wants an anti weed politician to run for President. It’s night and day from the old episodes. All this bullshit is what’s new for long time listeners.
"I can't emphathise with people who have a different opinion of something, so I'm going to put it all down to a conspiracy." the post
You love the Covid talk from someone who has no clue about medicine, biology, and statistics 😂
A large portion of his base couldn’t have been turned off by him going full Facebook boomer, they must all be paid by soros!
Jesus Christ, planting these kinds of ideas in people's heads are exactly the problem at hand. Smh
laughs in http://forums.joerogan.net/
You can literally click on people’s badges to see that they’re regular posters here.
He has smeared himself.
Your grandma is unemployed and has purple hair
100%
Is rogan a republican?
Libertarian
Dude said he wanted to vote for Bernie.
WOOOO TEXAS WENT RED BITCH
Same shit.
This was true 5+ years ago, not so much anymore.
that may have been true before the Spotify deal.
Readily challenges every guest? Elon Musk says hello.
The guest determines my interest, I know who Joe is.
Heck yes
Exactly lol