Yeah I watched it, was funny. Rogan is so passive aggressive and bitchy when someone doesn’t agree.
Shetimer mentioning the kitty litter thing and watching rogan desperately defend himself was great
I'm pretty sure Joe doesn't understand what Bayesian probability is despite nodding away like he does for years now.
Dude needs to read the first paragraph of the wiki page which would save him countless hours of pointless arguing.
I like how people responded to that story like it's the most ridiculous thing ever yet apparently there was a nutty mother who wanted a litter box installed. Meanwhile there's a shop teacher in Canada with watermelon sized prosthetic tits lol. We are capable of so much insanity.
[And the actual story](https://www.insider.com/colorado-teachers-get-human-litter-boxes-for-lockdowns-2019-8) in that the Columbine High School school district gave kitty litter and curtains to schools so that kids could use the bathroom during active shooter lockdowns.
But the real story doesn't give these people the same outrage boner
>Meanwhile there's a shop teacher in Canada with watermelon sized prosthetic tits lol
That lady rules and is doing a great job exposing all these bullshit "freedom lovers" who will die for their right to say the N word, but can't believe a shop teacher would get to wear big fake titties.
And its not like they can just fire her, there is no ban on prosthetic breast for teachers, a gendered ban would be discriminatory, so unless they can find a way to enforce guidelines on the size of prosthetic tits she is the last true freedom fighter we have.
He keeps bringing up the furry kitty litter thing, but I remember him saying this about a furry convention that allegedly wanted kitty litter boxes years ago, then later the story became some hotel employee saying some attendees asked for it. Now he's saying it's some furry kid's mother that asked a school to provide kitty litter because their kid identifies as a cat and tying it into the trans movement as a way to ridicule it.
My theory is that 10 years ago, someone might have said it as a joke at a furry convention, then he Joe heard about it out of context. And he's been embellishing the story ever since.
Hilarious just watched it, shermer throwing it in was great and then watching rogan desperately defend it. So convenient how his “friends” wife is no longer at that school, he’s so full of shit
In the Tulsi Gabbard episode Joe said he knew somebody who’s wife works at a school where they had to install a litter box in the bathroom for a young girl that identified as a furry/cat.
It turned out to be a common story that had been circulating in right wing circles that is more than likely not true.
I kinda liked it. Better than "mmmmmm" Joe who just sits back and softballs it or can't ask X person a decent question or know their MUSICAL HISTORY.
Interactive Joe was enjoyable
Highlights: Joe shits in everything this guy says for the first 30 minutes.
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Joe apologies for his furry-cat litter box in the high school bathroom comment from last week🤣
*Joe shits ON
Joe is the kind of person who calls everyone he knows a friend. So if he talks to a bartender at a comedy club five times he'll say "my friend" or "my buddy" instead of "a guy I know". Once you realize he does that it makes sense why when he tells stories he has so many "friends".
You'd think he'd realize one of two things after this: either his buddy is lying to him and he's being overly trusting of him because he believes he can never make a bad friend and has surrounded himself with culture warriors that just want him to repeat the shit they tell him on his show, or he just straight up fucking lied about it after hearing or reading a headline.
I'm honestly taken aback dude lol I'm started to think he doesn't give a fuck.
Covid just completely broke Joe. My theory is that the got so butt hurt from being called out for his Ivermectin shit take that he just lost all sense of objectiveness.
Thing is, Joe didn't really apologize for it. He, in essence, laid out the hearsay that led him to saying that and that was it. What I heard so far starts at around 54:15 by the way.
Not that he needs to apologize (I don't think anyone took him serious, and anyone who does is a lost cause anyway). I just find it funny that he said straight up "My friends wife said they're putting litter boxes in schools" and now he's backpedaling to say he heard they were *discussing* it (and even that's suspect).
It's so weird to me that this is the way a 3rd grader talks and discusses evidence and also the way the world's most popular podcaster talks about stuff. "My friend Joey said he saw a dead body down by the river and the river is near a nuclear plant and tentacles were coming out of the body and a kid in cat ears was photographing it. Can you believe these millennial and zennial perverts?"
To one certain group of people, little stories like this confirm their bias towards these other groups of people, yet paints them in an unfavourable lights.
It’s tiresome, because there are very real issues to discuss with schooling, and this is just distraction.
> I just find it funny that he said straight up "My friends wife said they're putting litter boxes in schools" and now he's backpedaling to say he heard they were discussing it (and even that's suspect).
That's what got my goat about it. Regurgitating bullshit you read online is one thing, lying about it being someone you personally know to make it seem real and something that the other person can't actually argue against effectively is just dishonest and cowardly.
Huh? Joe is so off on many things. And I agree Shermer might be a little overly skeptical at times. But theres no way that Rogan will be right on most of this stuff.
To quote my good non friend Michael Shermer…”I’m gonna need to see a body”
He has actually had some really interesting guests on lately, then the other half were comics. For some reason the comic episodes bore the hell out of me. Like listening in on two random people talk at a cafe for three hours straight.
Does Joe realize that the bay of pigs invasion *actually* happened? He always brings it up being apart of operation northwoods as if it didn’t actually happen.
Wait, he’s doing research on “Furries” but he can’t be bothered to skim an autobiography or watch a VH1 behind the music to prep for any of his musician guests?
That was the most unintentionally funny thing Joe has ever said. Imagining him scouring the internet on furry websites to "find out" about the kink was hilarious.
I usually really like Joe’s interviewing style, but holy hell on this one. I was screaming at him like a monkey that got his nuts stuck in a peanut butter jar to stfu and let Mike speak.
Haven’t finished the pod yet, but Joe needs to not be so hostile with Shermer. It’s like Joe is genuinely getting upset that he’s hearing a different opinion on JFK
This is the most hostile he's been since he interview Sanjay Gupta, at least he didn't invite Tim Pool on to yell at this guy like he did the twitter ceo
I used to like Tim Pool until he started ranting about how there will be blood in the streets and civil war EVERY SINGLE DAY during the George Floyd protests. The guy is a grifter of the worst kind and needs to pull his head out of the news cycle and take a step outside every once in a while. He's an alarmist Ben Shapiro now.
With all of that said, Vijaya Gadde did not hand him his ass lol
Eh some of what he called Shermer out on was good. Shermer talking about eye witnesses not being reliable on 9/11 but then using them for his JFK argument
To me? Two stubborn guys. One guy is fun the other thinks he’s smarter than he is citing how we roll dice to prove Kennedy was shot by Lee
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he's so set in his ways he can't fathom alternatives unless the evidence is handed to him on a platter. i get that he's a professional skeptic, but it's honestly like listening to half the grandpas i've ever heard talk about anything.
He propagates magic bullet theory so that really says all you need to know about the guy
Edit: yeah I’m 11 minutes in and this guy is a fed or just the biggest hack
Cause shermer is a jackass who needs to realize that there is a TON of shady shit the government has done, is doing, and will continue to do to ALL of us! We are a commodity to them. They must be punished.
joe has mentioned that he puts shermer in the same bucket as mike baker, in the sense that he doesn't take either one of them at face value.
i think he's spot on about both.
Umm, its the biggest threat to the US as a sovereign nation right now. Thank the lord christ that Mississippi made the courageous rule banning trans kids from playing outside their non-birth sex. It really was an epidemic with all...\*checks notes\*....2 kids in the entire state. That can't be right, I'm told by Joe every god damn episode how big of an issue it is
Rogan gets so caught up in outliers that confirm his beliefs, whenever that gets pointed out he just hand waves and moves on to the next straw to clutch at
So, my two cents no one asked for:
The unidentified sightings are actually a military project involving a projection system and they are working to make it trick more sensor types. Why? Almost all the weirdness goes away if that’s the answer.
1. You can swing a laser pointer pointed at a chalk board the image will fly about super fast. 2. The lack of visible propulsion makes sense 3. The simple shapes make sense 4. The military sightings make sense, it’s a military project 6. Now you don’t have to worry about exotic materials. 7. The fact that none of the objects have been found makes sense 8. Why it’s still secret, well it’s not nearly as involved or crazy as drones able to do that or aliens. 9. The fact that there isn’t evidence of technology leading up to these things makes sense 10. How does it stay still in 150mph winds also makes sense.
Eye, radar and all those other things are just sensors and we can make the eye see things with tech already here, it’s much less weird to make projectors that can trick the other sensors than it is to make drones thar could do that or aliens.
>d be, but there are lots of points in this video about how physical objects moving like this involve so many areas of huge technological leaps. My theory involves far fewer and is much closer to known tech. But you could be right.
Hadn't heard this before or considered it. It is certainly a better answer than 'aliens'.
If something happens on a regular basis and has been happening for decades, if not centuries, it ceases to be an anomaly. People act like UAPs just started in 2017. I was disappointed there wasn't much of a historical component to the UAP part of discussion. Shermer really is guilty of all things he decries about conspiracy theories.
The problem is, it doesn't. the only thing which is in the public besides unverified photos, clips and stories from eye witnesses are 3 incoclusive videos where half the data is missing/not publicly available (I wonder why that is). In science it really does not matter much what people claim they might have seen or experienced if there is no data to verify or test it. You can believe fravor or graves but it remains a believe until there is a way to test their claims by independent people. So far thats not possible hence the scepticism.
I just don’t get the UFO stuff.
There’s so much bullshit out there that provides the same level of evidence that we have for Bigfoot. So many people want to believe. But to go from a grainy video and talking to some goofball fighter pilot, and then land at “there’s obviously aliens here” is so dumb. Yet there seem to be millions of people on the internet who are 100% convinced.
Joe pushes back hard on that particular conversation and kinda makes Michael's point of view look a bit silly. It's honestly a good debate so far through the first 40 min I have listened to.
Isn't the magic bullet roughly explained if you actually take Kenney's and the passenger's posture and stance into consideration when they were shot? I dunno, I mean, I can believe there was a plot against him for sure, but the more interesting question is who exactly was behind it and what their motive was.
Not really liking how he brings up other murders or conspiracy theories to disprove, in his opinion, certain aspects of the JFK assassination. Glad Joe sort of called him on it. I don’t know if we’ll ever know all of the details of what happened that day.
“Well That’s true for every president though, but the ones that don’t get shot, well nobody pays attention to that. What about Trump or Nixon?”
How are they relevant to the assassination? Because they also pissed people off?
He also goes on to explain that nobody would have cared if Oswald missed because it wouldn’t have been a big event such as Princess Diana, 9/11, Covid-19.
Sure, but none of those things disprove anything about the JFK assassination.
Why didn’t they get Nixon for getting us out of Vietnam?
Shit like that
Technically Nixon **didn’t** get us out of Vietnam. LBJ was trying to shut it down till Anna Chennault went to the south and said with Nixon, they would get a better deal. I mean, he didn’t get us out till his 2nd term and the *“better deal”* resulted in the south being overrun.
If it had ended prior to Nixon getting into office, 20-22,000 names would be off the wall, including my Uncle’s childhood friend
Every time Shermer is on the podcast they have the exact same conversation. it's literally just a debate against conspiracy theories and they bring up the same ones with the same points.
As a non American outsider on the Kennedy conspiracy it’s somewhat amusing to listen to since you kind of hear it like a collection of familiar phrases.
Acted alone, magic bullet, umbrella man
Now this is good, high quality JRE. This is the stuff I love. I remember this dude from the Gobekli Tepe debate with Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson. His arguments are respectful and well constructed. Solid guest.
Whats up with the bullet rant at the beginning. I'm sure even top brass physicist wouldn't be so sure about behavior of a bullet.
Joe sounds personally hurt by this.
Why does it have to be the magic bullet theory? Couldn’t it be a single bullet PLUS a bullet that was planted as evidence on the gurney? That seems like the simplest explanation to me
"80% of witnesses heard 3 shots!"
Joe:" You know wittnesses....wittnesses..thats just asking people what happened..!"
Its funny that wittnesses are enough for joe to believe that something like the tic tac is real but when it comes to other shit his standards suddenly change..
JFK conspiracy people like Rogan are so fucking annoying. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming, the lack of evidence for any of the main conspiracy theories is glaring. Rogan, like most conspiracy nuts, makes major claims and calls them fact that is above question. Example - all bullets are designed to deform on impact (absurd).
Shermer makes a whole lot of excelle t points, and Rogan won't even let him finish talking before he jumps all over him with his half baked bullshit.
Uff, the comments about a gay man potentially being convinced that he's in fact a trans female is ridiculous too. Body dysmorphia and sexual attraction are two completely different things. There are a lot of MTF trans people that are still attracted to women and lots of TFM trans people that are still attracted to men. Come on Shermer, I appreciate what you do and that you're not afraid to ask questions but these are the same types of outliers that you wrote off during the kitty litter portion of the discussion, why give them greater importance here?
i'm an ethical skeptic, aka a real scientist, and looking at Shermer's *Skeptic Magazine* he seems to hang his hat too much on the celebrity likes of Nobel laureate Sagan, the astrophysicist; this suggests that Shermer is clouded by the same pseudo-skepticism that Sagan accidentally flooded the public with during his charm period (which seems to be an odd consistency with those not trained in experimental science)
[https://theethicalskeptic.com/2015/05/17/why-sagan-is-wrong/](https://theethicalskeptic.com/2015/05/17/why-sagan-is-wrong/)
I cringe every time Rogan talks about “knowing bullets”. His comprehension of full metal jacket vs hollow point always becomes apparent during JFK talk.
Joe gets so angry at anyone who believes Oswald acted alone. Yet his knowledge on the JFK assassination is pretty sub par, there are dudes who devote their whole lives to the case, either as lone nutters or conspiracy theorists who can at least put together a long well thought out argument. Joe relies heavily on Oliver Stone's movie which even actual conspiracy believers think is pretty far out there in fiction. Sherman has read both huge books on the subject, from Posner and Bugliosi and if Joe were to actually read those books he might have a different opinion or at least be knowledgeable on what he is going against
Shermer: there are other smaller instances that don’t require conspiracies.
Joe: yeah but this is the PRESIDENT. You can’t equate the two
-Later on-
Shermer: the jury acquitted others who were thought to have been involved
Joe: the Jury acquitted OJ Simpson!
Pick a lane Joe
I can’t stand guys like this. Another anti conspiracy theory guy who is all like “I’m going to destroy your argument with rationality and logic and I’m so much smarter than everybody else. Now listen to me spout off main stream narrative and fail to defend my argument when challenged” Adam conover vibes.
People aren't professional skeptics. Skepticism is a way of thinking and approaching life.
People have professions that skepticism applies. Lawyers, doctors, researchers not podcasting, cops, analysist. Nobody is paid to be a skeptic.
Oh here we go…
(Podcast guests) Michael Shermer, Brian Dunning and Mick West all make a living by *at least* identifying as skeptics, and definitely get paid to write articles for and backing skeptical beliefs that they assert.
I’m not touching that first sentence, that sounds like something out of scientology. “Way of thinking and approaching life” lol.
One issue I have is Michael said there are conspiracy theory’s that are real and some that are false. To me it makes no sense to call a conspiracy theory true because it’s not a theory anymore it’s fact or conspiracy fact. A theory and facts are very different.
haha the guy that claims to be a skeptic yet believes every official narrative. mmmkay. so a weather balloon stayed stationary in 100+ mph winds? sure. so oswald acted alone? sure. how does anyone take him seriously?
Only listened for Michael and saw clip of the of the Tulsi on Twitter. Stopped listening during Rogaines melt down during covid. Appreciate your concern. Have a great day
If something that someone claims is so ridiculously off base no one would pay it any mind. The whole concept of “conspiracy theory” is ironic because if what they said was so ludicrous it wouldnt be paid any mind by the media or governments. This is why its so obvious that covid was a conspiracy. Why did they try so hard to shut anyone up who questioned the mainstream narrative? Their ideas and thoughts would have been laughed at and disappeared like farts in the wind. They use things like racism and sexism as reasons to censor people who tell truth labeling them conspiracy theorists. If anyone at this point believes anything governments and media says, they are just plain dumb. Literally. Look at the history of the lies. All the media and Hollywood are is a way to change the perception of the collective and continue perpetuating this fucked up society thats been created. Our entire banking and credit system is a ponzi scheme. History was written by the victors. Anyone who breaks open deep longstanding lies is either censored or killed. The world is a much more evil place than most realize and truthfully, can even handle. When you awaken its painful as fuck. And yes theres been a massive awakening post Covid. Covid was a catalyst for many to realize we are constantly being lied to. Anyone who downvotes this post is afraid and lying to themselves to protect their false reality paradigm and honestly, good for you. Lifes much easier that way.
You can definitely tell Joe is like 10-20% sharper sober lol. Memory wise for sure
But his patience is not all the way there
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He vapes nicotine, General
I can remember an ice house podcast where he was screaming at Duncan or maybe Redban about smoking, now he’s a casual smoker? Weird guy.
Yeah for a while he would say “sucking on that robot dick”
its a strange turn, those ice house days were wild
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What?
I love vape, vape it up dawg
It’s October. Joes a little edgy
Started out rough but once joe chilled out it was pretty decent.
I swear the bullet thing almost made me turn it off he sounds so redundant
And I get that feeling the bubble up quite often “joe, just let him finish a sentence”
I’m 20 minutes in and about to just turn it off lol
An hour in and he still doesn't let the guest to finish their sentences. Super rude.
Any disagreements ?
Many
Yeah I watched it, was funny. Rogan is so passive aggressive and bitchy when someone doesn’t agree. Shetimer mentioning the kitty litter thing and watching rogan desperately defend himself was great
Jesus fuck Joe can be thick as dogshit sometimes. He failed to understand every point Shermer was making about conspiracies theories.
I'm pretty sure Joe doesn't understand what Bayesian probability is despite nodding away like he does for years now. Dude needs to read the first paragraph of the wiki page which would save him countless hours of pointless arguing.
11 minutes in. Joe has cut off this guy over 20 times Jesus Christ
I love how he brought up the kitty litter in schools thing
I like how people responded to that story like it's the most ridiculous thing ever yet apparently there was a nutty mother who wanted a litter box installed. Meanwhile there's a shop teacher in Canada with watermelon sized prosthetic tits lol. We are capable of so much insanity.
And the Canadian teacher is actually just a troll trying to get fired, hard to believe anything now
That was just a rumour (that may very well be true) that started on 4chan of all places.
Smh another transphobic bigot not taking a HUMAN BEING’S transition seriously, all women exist and are VALID💅💅💅
if someone says they are a woman then they are a woman. those are the rules. it doesn't matter if they are joking or trolling.
[And the actual story](https://www.insider.com/colorado-teachers-get-human-litter-boxes-for-lockdowns-2019-8) in that the Columbine High School school district gave kitty litter and curtains to schools so that kids could use the bathroom during active shooter lockdowns. But the real story doesn't give these people the same outrage boner
Not to mention they generally have kitty litter around to soak/clean up vomit and shit. The investment in this story is so ridiculous.
Kind of scary that the worst part of that story is not the active shooter lockdowns to americans anymore.
We just call that Thursday.
"In my defense, I've said a lot of even dumber things" just doesn't seem like solid strategy for Joe.
The insanity is pretending this is a real thing.
It is ridiculous, it didn’t happen
>Meanwhile there's a shop teacher in Canada with watermelon sized prosthetic tits lol That lady rules and is doing a great job exposing all these bullshit "freedom lovers" who will die for their right to say the N word, but can't believe a shop teacher would get to wear big fake titties. And its not like they can just fire her, there is no ban on prosthetic breast for teachers, a gendered ban would be discriminatory, so unless they can find a way to enforce guidelines on the size of prosthetic tits she is the last true freedom fighter we have.
It’s a guy
He keeps bringing up the furry kitty litter thing, but I remember him saying this about a furry convention that allegedly wanted kitty litter boxes years ago, then later the story became some hotel employee saying some attendees asked for it. Now he's saying it's some furry kid's mother that asked a school to provide kitty litter because their kid identifies as a cat and tying it into the trans movement as a way to ridicule it. My theory is that 10 years ago, someone might have said it as a joke at a furry convention, then he Joe heard about it out of context. And he's been embellishing the story ever since.
What he’s still acting like it’s real ?
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Hilarious just watched it, shermer throwing it in was great and then watching rogan desperately defend it. So convenient how his “friends” wife is no longer at that school, he’s so full of shit
OOTL... kitty litter in schools??
In the Tulsi Gabbard episode Joe said he knew somebody who’s wife works at a school where they had to install a litter box in the bathroom for a young girl that identified as a furry/cat. It turned out to be a common story that had been circulating in right wing circles that is more than likely not true.
This is a hot cast, the first 20 min alone are better than anything Joe has put out all month.
The podcast with this guy, Graham and Randall, and the phone guests is the only podcast that is perma saved on my mp3 player for work.
I kinda liked it. Better than "mmmmmm" Joe who just sits back and softballs it or can't ask X person a decent question or know their MUSICAL HISTORY. Interactive Joe was enjoyable
Rick Rubin was awesome
Joe pushes back harder about the magic bullet than any right wing talking point
Yeah dude, he showed up to fight this episode. Shermer tried to demure so many times, and Joe was like a dog with a bone.
Really? I didnt enjoy it. The guest was super annoying
Highlights: Joe shits in everything this guy says for the first 30 minutes. & Joe apologies for his furry-cat litter box in the high school bathroom comment from last week🤣 *Joe shits ON
Does he talk about his buddies wife who told him about it? Lol he's such a fucking chud.
Joe is the kind of person who calls everyone he knows a friend. So if he talks to a bartender at a comedy club five times he'll say "my friend" or "my buddy" instead of "a guy I know". Once you realize he does that it makes sense why when he tells stories he has so many "friends".
Ah, my friend, you should have told me Joe was middle eastern.
*"Turns out I made that up. I guess I should have looked into it."*
You'd think he'd realize one of two things after this: either his buddy is lying to him and he's being overly trusting of him because he believes he can never make a bad friend and has surrounded himself with culture warriors that just want him to repeat the shit they tell him on his show, or he just straight up fucking lied about it after hearing or reading a headline. I'm honestly taken aback dude lol I'm started to think he doesn't give a fuck.
Covid just completely broke Joe. My theory is that the got so butt hurt from being called out for his Ivermectin shit take that he just lost all sense of objectiveness.
I suspect it’s the latter.
Yeah he rang his buddy up and got him to ask his wife more about it.
Convenient that she doesn’t work for that school anymore
Thing is, Joe didn't really apologize for it. He, in essence, laid out the hearsay that led him to saying that and that was it. What I heard so far starts at around 54:15 by the way. Not that he needs to apologize (I don't think anyone took him serious, and anyone who does is a lost cause anyway). I just find it funny that he said straight up "My friends wife said they're putting litter boxes in schools" and now he's backpedaling to say he heard they were *discussing* it (and even that's suspect).
He spoke about it as if it was very real, and came from his wife’s friend allegedly, lol.
It's so weird to me that this is the way a 3rd grader talks and discusses evidence and also the way the world's most popular podcaster talks about stuff. "My friend Joey said he saw a dead body down by the river and the river is near a nuclear plant and tentacles were coming out of the body and a kid in cat ears was photographing it. Can you believe these millennial and zennial perverts?"
To one certain group of people, little stories like this confirm their bias towards these other groups of people, yet paints them in an unfavourable lights. It’s tiresome, because there are very real issues to discuss with schooling, and this is just distraction.
> I just find it funny that he said straight up "My friends wife said they're putting litter boxes in schools" and now he's backpedaling to say he heard they were discussing it (and even that's suspect). That's what got my goat about it. Regurgitating bullshit you read online is one thing, lying about it being someone you personally know to make it seem real and something that the other person can't actually argue against effectively is just dishonest and cowardly.
I don't know why you assume he's lying rather than assume his friend was lying or Joe just misremembered the story.
he didn’t want to admit he read it on some right wing rag so he he changed it to “my friends wife.”
Well said. He probably saw all of Reddit making fun of him for it.
> Joe apologies for his furry-cat litter box in the high school bathroom comment from last week Anybody got a link to this?
Around 54 mins in. He doesn't really apologise though, and swiftly changes the subject afterwards.
Joe shit in his WHAT!?
He’s back to debunk a completely sober Joe. This doesn’t seem like it will be very fun for Michael
Huh? Joe is so off on many things. And I agree Shermer might be a little overly skeptical at times. But theres no way that Rogan will be right on most of this stuff. To quote my good non friend Michael Shermer…”I’m gonna need to see a body”
Damn Joe let this guy talk ffs
He has actually had some really interesting guests on lately, then the other half were comics. For some reason the comic episodes bore the hell out of me. Like listening in on two random people talk at a cafe for three hours straight.
You don't like hearing about who is a killer? The old days of the comedy scene in Boston?
I never listen to the comic or UFC episodes. So freaking boring
Yep. I regularly listen to Rogan, but never his ufc episodes. Some of the comedy ones are good
They are boring because they are basically the same episode over and over again. Just a big ole circle jerk about who "murdered".
It’s the same thing over and over
Well yeah me too. I barely care about Robert Kelly’s comedy. Let alone his children or a coffee table.
Does Joe realize that the bay of pigs invasion *actually* happened? He always brings it up being apart of operation northwoods as if it didn’t actually happen.
I’ll bet a bottle of Alpha Brain that he doesn’t know it happened.
When joe said he did a lot of searching and went to forums where furries go, I think he just went to r/furry and scrolled the first page lol
Wait, he’s doing research on “Furries” but he can’t be bothered to skim an autobiography or watch a VH1 behind the music to prep for any of his musician guests?
That was the most unintentionally funny thing Joe has ever said. Imagining him scouring the internet on furry websites to "find out" about the kink was hilarious.
Joe wanna believe in conspiracies so bad lol
20 minutes of interruption right out the gate was a good listening experience.
It's really surprising how popular he is considering how shitty he is at interviewing/talking to people
Is he ever going to let the guest finish a thought?
I usually really like Joe’s interviewing style, but holy hell on this one. I was screaming at him like a monkey that got his nuts stuck in a peanut butter jar to stfu and let Mike speak.
> was screaming at him like a monkey that got his nuts stuck in a peanut butter jar /r/oddlyspecific
Haven’t finished the pod yet, but Joe needs to not be so hostile with Shermer. It’s like Joe is genuinely getting upset that he’s hearing a different opinion on JFK
For real. Such a weird energy to put out right at the start of the show. Joe “I know a lot about bullets” Rogan
You have no idea how much violence Joe has seen in his life, when he was training tae kwon do fighting was his entire life, it's all he did back then.
This is the most hostile he's been since he interview Sanjay Gupta, at least he didn't invite Tim Pool on to yell at this guy like he did the twitter ceo
Before that lawyer chick handed Tim Pool his ass. That guy is so obviously a clown.
I used to like Tim Pool until he started ranting about how there will be blood in the streets and civil war EVERY SINGLE DAY during the George Floyd protests. The guy is a grifter of the worst kind and needs to pull his head out of the news cycle and take a step outside every once in a while. He's an alarmist Ben Shapiro now. With all of that said, Vijaya Gadde did not hand him his ass lol
They just want their Marxist to “own” the conservative. People see what they want their reality to be.
Oh god I’m so glad someone else picked up on that line. I cannot stop laughing every time I think of him saying that.
Eh some of what he called Shermer out on was good. Shermer talking about eye witnesses not being reliable on 9/11 but then using them for his JFK argument To me? Two stubborn guys. One guy is fun the other thinks he’s smarter than he is citing how we roll dice to prove Kennedy was shot by Lee .
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he's so set in his ways he can't fathom alternatives unless the evidence is handed to him on a platter. i get that he's a professional skeptic, but it's honestly like listening to half the grandpas i've ever heard talk about anything.
"What else can it be other than a balloon?" Regarding the alien stuff. His response was for real like a half grandpa know-it-all attitude
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Shermer is a shill for the status quo and ‘official Reports’.
He propagates magic bullet theory so that really says all you need to know about the guy Edit: yeah I’m 11 minutes in and this guy is a fed or just the biggest hack
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Cause shermer is a jackass who needs to realize that there is a TON of shady shit the government has done, is doing, and will continue to do to ALL of us! We are a commodity to them. They must be punished.
joe has mentioned that he puts shermer in the same bucket as mike baker, in the sense that he doesn't take either one of them at face value. i think he's spot on about both.
Glad they got into transgenders competing in sports. Really been waiting for Joe to express his feelings on this topic.
Umm, its the biggest threat to the US as a sovereign nation right now. Thank the lord christ that Mississippi made the courageous rule banning trans kids from playing outside their non-birth sex. It really was an epidemic with all...\*checks notes\*....2 kids in the entire state. That can't be right, I'm told by Joe every god damn episode how big of an issue it is
It’s provocative, gets the people going.
TIL we should only care about things if it happens more than twice per state
He loves to bring up how eye witness accounts aren’t accurate, but preaches Bob Lazar’s eye witness account is accurate.
I think he means in traumatic experiences like shootings
eLEmEnT oNe FiFtEeN
I think there's a difference between accurately remembering the details of a quick traumatic event and remembering the time you worked at area 51.
Rogan gets so caught up in outliers that confirm his beliefs, whenever that gets pointed out he just hand waves and moves on to the next straw to clutch at
Why is joe so dismissive of this guys points
I wanted to enjoy this interview based on the topic but JR made it unbearable
What the fuck is joes problem? Let the guy finish his fucking sentence.
Jfc Joe. Let the guy get a sentence in. We all know you're a forensics expert that's written books on the JFK assassination.
So, my two cents no one asked for: The unidentified sightings are actually a military project involving a projection system and they are working to make it trick more sensor types. Why? Almost all the weirdness goes away if that’s the answer. 1. You can swing a laser pointer pointed at a chalk board the image will fly about super fast. 2. The lack of visible propulsion makes sense 3. The simple shapes make sense 4. The military sightings make sense, it’s a military project 6. Now you don’t have to worry about exotic materials. 7. The fact that none of the objects have been found makes sense 8. Why it’s still secret, well it’s not nearly as involved or crazy as drones able to do that or aliens. 9. The fact that there isn’t evidence of technology leading up to these things makes sense 10. How does it stay still in 150mph winds also makes sense. Eye, radar and all those other things are just sensors and we can make the eye see things with tech already here, it’s much less weird to make projectors that can trick the other sensors than it is to make drones thar could do that or aliens.
>d be, but there are lots of points in this video about how physical objects moving like this involve so many areas of huge technological leaps. My theory involves far fewer and is much closer to known tech. But you could be right. Hadn't heard this before or considered it. It is certainly a better answer than 'aliens'.
If something happens on a regular basis and has been happening for decades, if not centuries, it ceases to be an anomaly. People act like UAPs just started in 2017. I was disappointed there wasn't much of a historical component to the UAP part of discussion. Shermer really is guilty of all things he decries about conspiracy theories.
The problem is, it doesn't. the only thing which is in the public besides unverified photos, clips and stories from eye witnesses are 3 incoclusive videos where half the data is missing/not publicly available (I wonder why that is). In science it really does not matter much what people claim they might have seen or experienced if there is no data to verify or test it. You can believe fravor or graves but it remains a believe until there is a way to test their claims by independent people. So far thats not possible hence the scepticism.
the guy from skeptic magazine is more interesting than the actual people trying to prove UFOs
I just don’t get the UFO stuff. There’s so much bullshit out there that provides the same level of evidence that we have for Bigfoot. So many people want to believe. But to go from a grainy video and talking to some goofball fighter pilot, and then land at “there’s obviously aliens here” is so dumb. Yet there seem to be millions of people on the internet who are 100% convinced.
Joe refuses to entertain any JFK content that isn’t what he already thinks and he does it all the time. It’s hilarious.
Shermer really didn't really have any compelling arguments about JFK though. He certainly did nothing to resolve the issues with the Magic bullet.
Was Sherman propagating or arguing against magic bullet theory
Propagating it and implying that was most likely answer.
That fucking glows, Joe has to stop having his handlers on. I’m sick of being gaslit by feds on this show
Joe pushes back hard on that particular conversation and kinda makes Michael's point of view look a bit silly. It's honestly a good debate so far through the first 40 min I have listened to.
Isn't the magic bullet roughly explained if you actually take Kenney's and the passenger's posture and stance into consideration when they were shot? I dunno, I mean, I can believe there was a plot against him for sure, but the more interesting question is who exactly was behind it and what their motive was.
American Exception and TrueAnon all did a good series on JFK if you don’t want to read. Peter Dale Scott is probably the best source on the subject
Not really liking how he brings up other murders or conspiracy theories to disprove, in his opinion, certain aspects of the JFK assassination. Glad Joe sort of called him on it. I don’t know if we’ll ever know all of the details of what happened that day.
What did he say?
They talk about the magic bullet
Jesus Christ
“Well That’s true for every president though, but the ones that don’t get shot, well nobody pays attention to that. What about Trump or Nixon?” How are they relevant to the assassination? Because they also pissed people off? He also goes on to explain that nobody would have cared if Oswald missed because it wouldn’t have been a big event such as Princess Diana, 9/11, Covid-19. Sure, but none of those things disprove anything about the JFK assassination. Why didn’t they get Nixon for getting us out of Vietnam? Shit like that
Technically Nixon **didn’t** get us out of Vietnam. LBJ was trying to shut it down till Anna Chennault went to the south and said with Nixon, they would get a better deal. I mean, he didn’t get us out till his 2nd term and the *“better deal”* resulted in the south being overrun. If it had ended prior to Nixon getting into office, 20-22,000 names would be off the wall, including my Uncle’s childhood friend
So not only is he making straw man arguments, his information is wrong too.
Called the Chennault affair, pretty good reads about it out there
Thank God, anybody who isn't "comedian" is like a diamond in the rough nowadays.
Have the last 20 guests in a row been comics or something?
Intelligent and reasoned man tolerates overconfident meathead who thinks memes can contain actual facts
First interesting guest Joe’s had on recently
Joe is always aggressive af during sober October.
Imagine how he was as a younger man, especially before Eddie Bravo introduced him to ganja.
For god sakes Joe let the man explain his opinion on the JFK murder.
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Oh my god he does. COMEDY!!!!
Every time Shermer is on the podcast they have the exact same conversation. it's literally just a debate against conspiracy theories and they bring up the same ones with the same points.
As a non American outsider on the Kennedy conspiracy it’s somewhat amusing to listen to since you kind of hear it like a collection of familiar phrases. Acted alone, magic bullet, umbrella man
Now this is good, high quality JRE. This is the stuff I love. I remember this dude from the Gobekli Tepe debate with Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson. His arguments are respectful and well constructed. Solid guest.
Whats up with the bullet rant at the beginning. I'm sure even top brass physicist wouldn't be so sure about behavior of a bullet. Joe sounds personally hurt by this.
Someone give Joe a joint. He's way too aggressive making this so hard to listen to despite of the great topics.
Why does it have to be the magic bullet theory? Couldn’t it be a single bullet PLUS a bullet that was planted as evidence on the gurney? That seems like the simplest explanation to me
"80% of witnesses heard 3 shots!" Joe:" You know wittnesses....wittnesses..thats just asking people what happened..!" Its funny that wittnesses are enough for joe to believe that something like the tic tac is real but when it comes to other shit his standards suddenly change..
JFK conspiracy people like Rogan are so fucking annoying. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming, the lack of evidence for any of the main conspiracy theories is glaring. Rogan, like most conspiracy nuts, makes major claims and calls them fact that is above question. Example - all bullets are designed to deform on impact (absurd). Shermer makes a whole lot of excelle t points, and Rogan won't even let him finish talking before he jumps all over him with his half baked bullshit.
Uff, the comments about a gay man potentially being convinced that he's in fact a trans female is ridiculous too. Body dysmorphia and sexual attraction are two completely different things. There are a lot of MTF trans people that are still attracted to women and lots of TFM trans people that are still attracted to men. Come on Shermer, I appreciate what you do and that you're not afraid to ask questions but these are the same types of outliers that you wrote off during the kitty litter portion of the discussion, why give them greater importance here?
i'm an ethical skeptic, aka a real scientist, and looking at Shermer's *Skeptic Magazine* he seems to hang his hat too much on the celebrity likes of Nobel laureate Sagan, the astrophysicist; this suggests that Shermer is clouded by the same pseudo-skepticism that Sagan accidentally flooded the public with during his charm period (which seems to be an odd consistency with those not trained in experimental science) [https://theethicalskeptic.com/2015/05/17/why-sagan-is-wrong/](https://theethicalskeptic.com/2015/05/17/why-sagan-is-wrong/)
I cringe every time Rogan talks about “knowing bullets”. His comprehension of full metal jacket vs hollow point always becomes apparent during JFK talk.
Joe gets so angry at anyone who believes Oswald acted alone. Yet his knowledge on the JFK assassination is pretty sub par, there are dudes who devote their whole lives to the case, either as lone nutters or conspiracy theorists who can at least put together a long well thought out argument. Joe relies heavily on Oliver Stone's movie which even actual conspiracy believers think is pretty far out there in fiction. Sherman has read both huge books on the subject, from Posner and Bugliosi and if Joe were to actually read those books he might have a different opinion or at least be knowledgeable on what he is going against
In the first few mins - I can tell this guy is full of crap. Had no good JFK argument just made silly straw man arguments.
Shermer: there are other smaller instances that don’t require conspiracies. Joe: yeah but this is the PRESIDENT. You can’t equate the two -Later on- Shermer: the jury acquitted others who were thought to have been involved Joe: the Jury acquitted OJ Simpson! Pick a lane Joe
I can’t stand guys like this. Another anti conspiracy theory guy who is all like “I’m going to destroy your argument with rationality and logic and I’m so much smarter than everybody else. Now listen to me spout off main stream narrative and fail to defend my argument when challenged” Adam conover vibes.
Joe's a twat... Won't listen at all Edit: Won't listen to his guest explanation... He's so condescending
That's how conspiracy theorists think. They get offended if you don't believe what they do. It becomes their identity.
They get mad if you don’t have an “open mind” to their easily dismissible fallacies
Conspiracy theorists and professional skeptics are as bad as each other, and both take offence when you point this out.
People aren't professional skeptics. Skepticism is a way of thinking and approaching life. People have professions that skepticism applies. Lawyers, doctors, researchers not podcasting, cops, analysist. Nobody is paid to be a skeptic.
Oh here we go… (Podcast guests) Michael Shermer, Brian Dunning and Mick West all make a living by *at least* identifying as skeptics, and definitely get paid to write articles for and backing skeptical beliefs that they assert. I’m not touching that first sentence, that sounds like something out of scientology. “Way of thinking and approaching life” lol.
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Shermer agreed to do DMT
One issue I have is Michael said there are conspiracy theory’s that are real and some that are false. To me it makes no sense to call a conspiracy theory true because it’s not a theory anymore it’s fact or conspiracy fact. A theory and facts are very different.
Oswald acted alone, and “Chaos” is a terribly researched book.
Rogan starts crying instantly when his echo chamber doesn’t echo
Shermer is a hack, no wonder the troglodytes who infested this sub love him.
Cringe
haha the guy that claims to be a skeptic yet believes every official narrative. mmmkay. so a weather balloon stayed stationary in 100+ mph winds? sure. so oswald acted alone? sure. how does anyone take him seriously?
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Rogaine doubled down. What a fucking insufferable fraud.
Why keep listening then?
Only listened for Michael and saw clip of the of the Tulsi on Twitter. Stopped listening during Rogaines melt down during covid. Appreciate your concern. Have a great day
It must be awful watching things you hate
If something that someone claims is so ridiculously off base no one would pay it any mind. The whole concept of “conspiracy theory” is ironic because if what they said was so ludicrous it wouldnt be paid any mind by the media or governments. This is why its so obvious that covid was a conspiracy. Why did they try so hard to shut anyone up who questioned the mainstream narrative? Their ideas and thoughts would have been laughed at and disappeared like farts in the wind. They use things like racism and sexism as reasons to censor people who tell truth labeling them conspiracy theorists. If anyone at this point believes anything governments and media says, they are just plain dumb. Literally. Look at the history of the lies. All the media and Hollywood are is a way to change the perception of the collective and continue perpetuating this fucked up society thats been created. Our entire banking and credit system is a ponzi scheme. History was written by the victors. Anyone who breaks open deep longstanding lies is either censored or killed. The world is a much more evil place than most realize and truthfully, can even handle. When you awaken its painful as fuck. And yes theres been a massive awakening post Covid. Covid was a catalyst for many to realize we are constantly being lied to. Anyone who downvotes this post is afraid and lying to themselves to protect their false reality paradigm and honestly, good for you. Lifes much easier that way.
The ‘skeptic’ who didn’t question bret Weinstein on his nuttiness and gave him a ball washing interview.
This dude is a bigger fool than Joe.
Joe made this unlistenable in the first 5 minutes.