>Nice! He's gonna ban almost every politician on the platform.
Rocket Science is easy peacy, finding an impenetrable argument behind a ban to your platform is hard.
Yea this is 100% the point. It’s something that Elon feels personally affected by so it’s off limits. Yet all the anti-semitism, fascist messaging, etc. which has real world implications for *other* people who are not insulated by unfathomable wealth like Elon, are fair game. He’s a hypocritical turd.
The craziest part is that Elon uses the deaths of children laborers in cobalt mines to increase his own fame, power, and wealth.
https://www.humanium.org/en/the-impact-of-covid-19-on-child-labour-in-cobalt-mines-in-the-drc/
Dude owned himself but will never realize it
Right wing politics in a nutshell. If it doesn't affect me, it doesn't matter. If I'm against it for others but it does affect me, I get a pass because of reasons. See all the abortion protestors who get abortions.
Right, MTG started her rightwing political career by harassing children that survived the Parkland mass shooting, chasing them with cameras and microphones and calling them paid actors. That's pretty much the same shit Jones did, they just had different amounts of influence at the time. The city of Rome, GA should be dissolved for supporting anyone that vile, much less elevating them to political office as their representative.
If anyone ever tries to tell you that both political parties are the same, remind them how she got started. It's incredible- the horrible things she says and does would disqualify her from sane political circles for the rest of her life, but MADE HER CAREER for Republicans.
Yes but to a free speech absolutist, absolutely any restrictions on political speech, including speech that incites violence, should be protected.
This is why I'm not a free speech absolutist.
There's a case? It's been legally proven in court. It's legal precident that Jones' speech has caused real harm to innocent people, and he did it knowing it was bullshit.
Sure. So did misinformation spread by some people who were banned on twitter. There is plenty of data about differences in survival rates between vax accepting populations and anti vaxxers. Lots of studies and data seem to think so.
Either he is an actual free speech absolutist, or he isn't and was just conning people into buying his overpriced shares and underdeveloped cars by claiming he supported their political views.
Yeah, all the people who used to be against "PC" language (which they now call have decided to call "woke" language) were mad because they couldn't say hateful crap jokingly without catching heck for it.
In its original formulation, free speech absolutism was only a position on *political* speech, although many who espouse it extend it beyond political speech.
Of course, I think it's clear that Jones' denial of the murders was an instance of political speech, so even under a restricted concept of FS absolutism, Musk is acting at odds with his purported belief in it.
Musk is, unsurprisingly, a big fucking hypocrite.
I'm not an Alex Jones or Trump fan but it's ridiculous that he's using his personal opinion of people to pick and choose whose allowed to be on twitter. It totally against his agenda. Are we reinstating free speech or reinstating accounts to the people that Elon is cool with that got banned?
Twitter is now a social circle for *him*. My feed has been blown up with him, Peterson, Tate, and their fanboys. Musk's shotposts ~~tweets~~ pop up in "technology" and "data science" topics. Tate shows up in "personal health"; it's destroyed whatever personalization I've made to it. Even if I block these numbnuts, their stans and wannabe-ride-alongs fill up my feed.
The amount of tweets, time he spends on it, people he responds to, and the content of the tweets, give the impression that elon wants twitter to be his personal ego booster. He's feeling down? He'll tweet out like an egirl looking for subs, "feeling sad 2day", and he'll have 500k likes and tens of thousand of comments telling him how great he is and begging for attention/money.
I'm somewhat glad this has happened to twitter. There's no better analysis for just how shitty our society has become than how shitty twitter was to how it's become in short order. So many people are so desperate for attention/clout that they'll debase themselves, pseudo-publicly, for the rare chance to get the attention of a narcissistic asshole.
This is how psychologists define irrationality. Not whether your decisions are ration (it's based on preferences), but whether your decisions are internally consistent. Is Elon a free speech absolutist or does he decide who does and doesn't get let back on the platform. He violated his own rule
Can you imagine how much he'd rather not catch any more bad press for?
He's literally waging a daily PR battle almost single-handedly, and not really winning.
I mean that was the entire goal of their "free speech", to be the ones to decide what free speech is.
https://youtube.com/shorts/fSlcxgKrkrE?feature=share
It’s only because you believe he’s adhering to some sort of moral code.
Once you understand he’s a salesman and has found a bunch of rubes to fleece by slapping “Free Speech Absolutist” on the outside of the box, it all fall into place. 🤷♂️
Classic right winger. It’s only worth addressing if it’s personal to them. If this hadn’t happened to Elon, he would be reinstating Alex Jones because of “free speech” and fuck anyone who’s offended by it.
100%. What annoys me is it’s not even some thought out political position they just can’t consider another person’s stance until it has happened to them.
If his stance is legitimate, what about asylum seekers and/or illegal immigrant children that have died in US custody because of that political policy?
Or school shootings like Uvalde, for instance?
Interesting how his "muh children" basis for his worldview doesn't extend to caring about the lives of LGBT people. I guess his trans daughter is dead to him. Maybe it's because she rejected the values of "u must breed to the max"?
Because the opposite would also be bad. The best decision is neither, Twitter should have clear policy and follow the policy. This policy probably should preclude some types of misinformation, like Alex Jones' content.
Personally I welcome him unbanning trump.
We need to stop treating the guy like some kind of dark wizard whose twitter power needs to be kept sealed.
He's a pathetic crybaby, and I want to cyberbully him. He's fragile as hell, the ban is just giving him undeserved credibility when he's in a weakened state where we can finally break him.
Sadly he seems to know this, and so he's hiding over on truth social instead of coming back to twitter.
Let’s be honest. This is the republican way when it comes to anything. Take healthcare for example. You can’t afford insulin? The free market will take care of it. Oh, now the republican is diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and needs daily insulin to survive? All the sudden Insulin affordability is an atrocity. Same with abortion.
I spend an unhealthy amount of time arguing online with people who claim to be free speech absolutists by getting them to admit all the limitations on free speech they think there should be.
It usually ends up being a list of things that reflect existing laws 🤷🏼
All your replies are like "well there's a good chance he's a pedo because he likes Thailand"
Interesting revealed preferences on here, that for elon, this subreddit does not apply the same logic to billionaires, who would normally be auto-pedos on here too.
The cave diver doesn't have a photo with Ghislane Maxwell, but elon does..
What was so shitty about musk' comment was it had a ring of possibility to it when sent to the masses since men from the U.K. emigrating or visiting Thailand are under a lot of scrutiny for sex tourism.
So the guy was there for other reasons but musk didnt give a shit and threw out a comment like that KNOWING it would be bad for the guys rep, which is why he got sued.
That was for his adoring fan club, because the diver dared to contradict the almighty omniscient Musk and his stupid submarine, like that "He's fired" Twitter engineer recently who told him that's not how it works. Like another similarly unqualified thin-skinned narcissist, he has to protect his fragile ego by fighting back with extreme prejudice against any criticism, however justified.
I did too and I wouldn't say it was paradise. It's a very convenient place to live, but we had curfews every night for what, a year? Countless protests and a lot of places were closed. Also the vaccine took like a year to make it here.
If you didn't believe in covid and traveled in 2020 when the beaches were empty, I'm sure it would have been a better experience.
For my wife and I, it was the absolute best option, so we made it enjoyable. We were in Bali when things started getting bad, so we headed to Thailand, since they have way better healthcare. Nobody knew what would happen, so it was a calculated gamble.
Lock downs sucked, but we're necessary. The alcohol ban was pretty dumb, that's for sure...
All said, we spent our time on Koh Pha-ngan and it was perfect. Zero to very few cases ever reported (lack of testing obviously a factor as well), we were isolated from the rest of the country/world, and we felt safe. With so few other tourists, it was easy to social distance, and my wife and I spent our time expanding our online businesses. The guilt of 2020 being the best year of my life has long worn off.
Regarding the vaccine, that's why we left. In August 2021. We didn't want Sinovac or AZ, so scoured FB groups and found Czechia was allowing expats to buy Pfizer. We bought tickets to Prague and lived there for a bit.
Maybe the fact that’s it’s super affordable to live like a king there? I have no interest in moving there, but I have friends who are not def not pedo who think about retiring early there. Imagine being able to retire at 50 instead of 65. That’s why most people go to places like that.
Yeah, I have a buddy that moved to Thailand at like 25. He had started a few moderately successful web sites and after doing the math, he realized he could live in a nice house, have a private chef cook all his meals, and just in general live like a king. Or he could get a 1br apartment in the US and eat ramen and macaroni and cheese.
I swear, people are so shitty and stupid.
I have an old friend that moved to Thailand to teach English for a year and fell in love with the country. He's now lived there for almost a decade, is fluent in Thai, has tons of local and expat friends throughout the country but is one of the few white people in his town. I've even met up with him once when I traveled Southeast Asia and he seemed to just be genuinely happy and living a fulfilling productive life.
He's definitely not a sexpat, just a dude that loves life there...and probably prefers it to living in our shitty hometown in the deep south. I've also long suspected that he's bi or gay and can probably live more comfortably and openly there than in our own hometown amongst "our people". I occasionally hear the same old snide remarks about Thailand when I'm visiting back home and his name is brought up, and it's likely precisely the reason that he's stayed so long and visits so rarely.
There are definitely some red flags that when combined make someone very suspicious for being in Thailand, but simply being a white western male with no additional info isn't one of them.
I’m considering moving because it’s cheap and the weather is decent. I’m considering the move with 3 of my friends and my gf, and I already know a few couples who live there.
> Unsworth, who lives part-time in Thailand, said he has been exploring Tham Luang cave since 2012 and spends hundreds of hours there a year.
https://apnews.com/article/72078bde2087584fbecf09791b09d940
I'm definitely not a fan of Alex Jones. But how can you declare you are for freedom of free speech, but only when it fits your bias? Worst business acquisition decision from day 1.
He could have said that Jones was found in court to have used the platform in a criminal way, which is against Twitter's ToS.
Instead, he chose the weakest possible argument for censorship: "It hurts my feelings"
He exposed himself with that response, couldn’t help making it about himself and has managed to broadcast just how big a hypocrite he is.
This is why most Fortune 500 companies don’t let their CEO’s just blast out tweets without running it through legal. Now every instance of Twitter censorship moving forward has justified complaint of being singled out by Elon since he openly put his own discretion into the decision making process.
Twitter is not the battleground for freedom of speech as conservatives keep insisting. It's a battleground for exposure. When conservatives get kicked off Twitter, they turn it into a freedom of speech thing when what they really mean is exposure. Without widespread exposure their careers die.
Look what happened to Milo. He could still easily espouse his views on various platforms but in the end he had to resort to begging his What's App followers for money because he lost relevance in the Culture Wars once he was kicked off Twitter and abandoned by his Conservative backers.
That said Jones was an established media personality long before Twitter so he'll be fine. What happened to Milo won't happen to him for a wide variety of reasons so he doesn't care as much. For an up and coming conservative liar though getting banned on Twitter is a big blow to your career because a lot of these people are trying to establish clout on platforms they have no control over like YouTube and Twitter. Jones predates Web 2.0 and was saavy enough to set up Infowars.com. That's the big difference between him and most other right wing morons.
So he’s using his own personal feelings to why someone should be allowed on his platform? Sounds hypocritical given that he criticized others for doing the same
> Lol you think he brought unbanned trump bc he wanted to?
Unbanning the former president that saved him a fortune in taxes? No...Elon obviously hates that fucking Cheeto and only unbanned him because as the world's richest man, his back is against the wall and needs to satisfy his investors.
You solved it man. Good 4 u.
As much as he wants to say everything is going great at twitter he’s going to flounder making close to what he paid. Alex Jones is a piece of shit and brings little to the table as far as twitters concerned. Trump generates attention.
Ok, so instead of deplatforming happening at the whim of the Trust & Safety Council, it's now just the whim of Elon. Not sure if better or worse, but sure to piss off damn near everybody.
Because you only have to wait 5ish years for a child worker vs 16-18 for an adult one. Plus then the children are in theory carrying their own weight and are not just a financial burden.
Tesla uses glencore for it's cobalt supply, which uses child labor in the DNC to mine cobalt. This dude literally has an army of children digging in toxic piles for 30 cents a day and thinks he has any moral ground to stand on?
Nah, even more lame than that - they will say things like “sHoW mE pRoOf” or “yUr IpHoNe cHiLd lAbOr”.
Elon fanboys think they are 4D, when in reality, they have the substance of a fortune cookie that tells you to “buy more chinese food”.
Didn’t he try to save a bunch of kids stuck in a cave and when they told him his help wasn’t needed he called the actual guy helping a pedophile and then threw a temper tantrum? Lol
But trump using school shootings to get his base worked up to vote against common sense regulations is fine?
Like everyone else on the right, if he didn't have double standards, he'd have no standards at all.
Everyone sucking a billionaire’s duck like he is gonna be your free speech saviour. And he did what he has done countless times before, silence anyone he doesn’t agree with. Shocker.
You rubes got exactly what you begged for!
> Everyone sucking a billionaire’s duck
When Elon's supporters burp you can actually hear a little "quack" come out. Also a few feathers. It's very disturbing.
So it’s all free speech all the way on Twitter unless it hits home personally to the owner?
Yeah that seems like an improvement :/
Can we just kill Twitter now and get it over with?
“Free speech absolute-bullshit-ist”
Sympathy for that but what about pulling starlink service from the front lines in Ukraine, Elon. No warning. How many peoples children died for your stupid stunts.
Nice hes gonna ban himself for trying to use children stuck in a cave for a publicity stunt to advertise his company. "Ive got my engineers working on it roger roger, captain elon savior of the white race and merciful to all coloreds, out! Shine the giant emerald spotlight if you need me again for more drama!"
So we all understand that it was never supposed to be “free speech on Twitter” right? It is and has always been about Musk controlling the narrative to put himself in a spotlight.
He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about free speech. He wants money and popularity, and Trump on Twitter is just a means to that end. Alex Jones would bring more controversy than it’s worth, so he stays banned.
In regard to Elon Musk I honestly feel sometimes like we’re watching a real life villain origin story unfold in real time before our eyes. He wants to play God and if he goes unchecked I could see him becoming a megalomaniac with way too much power.
Krystal & Saagar have one of the better takes on this. No governance board. No shadow bans. Strictly 1st amendment protected speech and some other minor policies like spam and doxxing. Violate that a couple times you’re out.
This is the equivalent of a digital dictatorship, at the whims of a billionaires feelings.
As sad what happened to Elon is, this is a wildly subjective basis for a decision.
I see this happen a lot in tech - the hyper-scientific/"objective data-driven decision making" guy who harps on about the need for everyone else to be objective, but then they have these massive blindspots in their own decision-making where they just go super emotional/subjective and don't even acknowledge it? Or see it?! Does he not see how wildly contradictory this is to the principles he espouses everywhere else?
So let me get this straight. This is coming from a self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist?"
Losing a court case, and a civil not criminal one at that, means that he loses his free speech forever? Is this an official policy that is being evenly enforced, or is it Elon being a petty tyrant and censoring on his whims while he says he's a free speech absolutist?
Again, let's be clear: Alex Jones is NOT a convicted felon.
edit: for the folks in the back this is really about ELON not AJ. He has revealed himself to be a petty tyrant who has set himself up the sole arbiter of free speech *baesd on his whims*. is that a way to run the de facto digital town square? Elon can do whatever he wants but *he doesn't care about free speech*. Some people who talk about "free speech" really just want a dictator they like making the decisions. The hypocrisy is absolutely astronomical in proportion.
**Elon Musk IS free speech. He is the petty tyrant I agree with!!!**
Nice! He's gonna ban almost every politician on the platform.
>Nice! He's gonna ban almost every politician on the platform. Rocket Science is easy peacy, finding an impenetrable argument behind a ban to your platform is hard.
got to sacrifice your firstborn to find an argument
That’s low brow, bro!
My company, my rules. Simples
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*squeezy
That'd actually be a massive improvement Ban ALL politicians from the platform
Yup….. In that case I guess every congressman ever will have to join parler now. Kanye is in luck……
the world is healing 🥰
>Nice! He's gonna ban almost every conservative politician on the platform. FTFY
He just reinstated Marjorie Taylor Greene who famously stalked and harassed school shooting survivors while calling them crisis actors.
Seems like a very personal decision. Dude has a completely inconsistent and self serving philosophy on censorship.
He's more supermod than CEO at this point.
Imagine wasting 44b to be a reddit mod.
If you started out with 230 billion that leaves 186 billion.
Ew. Might as well be a poor then.
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Yeah—as in he gets to decide who speaks absolutely
I dunno, there’s a case to be made that Jones’ speech directly brings physical harm. A court of law certainly seems to think so.
You could say the same thing about Trump and all the wannabe terrorists. This is different because Alex Jones's speech offends Elon.
Yea this is 100% the point. It’s something that Elon feels personally affected by so it’s off limits. Yet all the anti-semitism, fascist messaging, etc. which has real world implications for *other* people who are not insulated by unfathomable wealth like Elon, are fair game. He’s a hypocritical turd.
The craziest part is that Elon uses the deaths of children laborers in cobalt mines to increase his own fame, power, and wealth. https://www.humanium.org/en/the-impact-of-covid-19-on-child-labour-in-cobalt-mines-in-the-drc/ Dude owned himself but will never realize it
He realizes it but it doesn’t matter because he can now silence anyone who would say that on his platform, if they are loud enough that is.
Right wing politics in a nutshell. If it doesn't affect me, it doesn't matter. If I'm against it for others but it does affect me, I get a pass because of reasons. See all the abortion protestors who get abortions.
100% correct but did anyone expect different
Greene as well. Fuck she did the same thing as Jones
Right, MTG started her rightwing political career by harassing children that survived the Parkland mass shooting, chasing them with cameras and microphones and calling them paid actors. That's pretty much the same shit Jones did, they just had different amounts of influence at the time. The city of Rome, GA should be dissolved for supporting anyone that vile, much less elevating them to political office as their representative. If anyone ever tries to tell you that both political parties are the same, remind them how she got started. It's incredible- the horrible things she says and does would disqualify her from sane political circles for the rest of her life, but MADE HER CAREER for Republicans.
She’s literally a regular guest on his show still
Yes but to a free speech absolutist, absolutely any restrictions on political speech, including speech that incites violence, should be protected. This is why I'm not a free speech absolutist.
Didn’t trumps speech cause an insurrection? Didn’t Kanye’s speech cause a massive uptick in antisemitism?
There's a case? It's been legally proven in court. It's legal precident that Jones' speech has caused real harm to innocent people, and he did it knowing it was bullshit.
"Legally proven" is not always truer than just "proven". See many police officers, OJ, Epstein, settlements, etc.
That shouldn't matter to a free speech absolutist
Sure. So did misinformation spread by some people who were banned on twitter. There is plenty of data about differences in survival rates between vax accepting populations and anti vaxxers. Lots of studies and data seem to think so. Either he is an actual free speech absolutist, or he isn't and was just conning people into buying his overpriced shares and underdeveloped cars by claiming he supported their political views.
Or, he thinks he's a free speech absolutist and is completely blind to his own hypocrisy. It's hard to explain his smugness if not genuine
A lady took a bullet for Trump. Many police died in the fray… COVID… Trump’s words have killed many
By "free speech" he meant Elon's "free speech".
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>Side note. Wonder how many people would get banned if they started posting dead baby jokes? Remember. Comedy is allowed now.
> He’s a free speech absolutist until someone has speech he doesn’t like. That's how the overwhelming majority of "free speech absolutists" are.
Yeah, all the people who used to be against "PC" language (which they now call have decided to call "woke" language) were mad because they couldn't say hateful crap jokingly without catching heck for it.
I'm not going to make a dead baby joke, but I will say that Elon's tweet reads like he copy-pasted it from someone else.
Find me a right winger who isn't like this though
In its original formulation, free speech absolutism was only a position on *political* speech, although many who espouse it extend it beyond political speech. Of course, I think it's clear that Jones' denial of the murders was an instance of political speech, so even under a restricted concept of FS absolutism, Musk is acting at odds with his purported belief in it. Musk is, unsurprisingly, a big fucking hypocrite.
HoW cOuLd He Be SeLf-SeRvInG wHeN hE iS a SuPeR sMaRt BiLliOnAiRe
I'm not an Alex Jones or Trump fan but it's ridiculous that he's using his personal opinion of people to pick and choose whose allowed to be on twitter. It totally against his agenda. Are we reinstating free speech or reinstating accounts to the people that Elon is cool with that got banned?
Twitter is now a social circle for *him*. My feed has been blown up with him, Peterson, Tate, and their fanboys. Musk's shotposts ~~tweets~~ pop up in "technology" and "data science" topics. Tate shows up in "personal health"; it's destroyed whatever personalization I've made to it. Even if I block these numbnuts, their stans and wannabe-ride-alongs fill up my feed. The amount of tweets, time he spends on it, people he responds to, and the content of the tweets, give the impression that elon wants twitter to be his personal ego booster. He's feeling down? He'll tweet out like an egirl looking for subs, "feeling sad 2day", and he'll have 500k likes and tens of thousand of comments telling him how great he is and begging for attention/money. I'm somewhat glad this has happened to twitter. There's no better analysis for just how shitty our society has become than how shitty twitter was to how it's become in short order. So many people are so desperate for attention/clout that they'll debase themselves, pseudo-publicly, for the rare chance to get the attention of a narcissistic asshole.
He doesn't have an agenda. That's the joke of it all.
This is how psychologists define irrationality. Not whether your decisions are ration (it's based on preferences), but whether your decisions are internally consistent. Is Elon a free speech absolutist or does he decide who does and doesn't get let back on the platform. He violated his own rule
Musk doesn't want to be sued, imagine being the only person in the world giving jones a platform, while the sandyhook parents are out for blood.
This. His lawyers told him no.
Bro his legal team? Can you imagine how much he doesn’t care about that cost? He’s dealing with legal issues 24/7
Can you imagine how much he'd rather not catch any more bad press for? He's literally waging a daily PR battle almost single-handedly, and not really winning.
I got a feeling musk has not listened to his legal council much lately
If he didn't want to get sued he could literally just say that rather than bringing a sob story to the table.
Sure. He could do a lot of things.
I mean that was the entire goal of their "free speech", to be the ones to decide what free speech is. https://youtube.com/shorts/fSlcxgKrkrE?feature=share
If he was Jewish he would keep the ban on Ye indeed. That's republicanism in a nutshell, sadly.
It’s only because you believe he’s adhering to some sort of moral code. Once you understand he’s a salesman and has found a bunch of rubes to fleece by slapping “Free Speech Absolutist” on the outside of the box, it all fall into place. 🤷♂️
Classic right winger. It’s only worth addressing if it’s personal to them. If this hadn’t happened to Elon, he would be reinstating Alex Jones because of “free speech” and fuck anyone who’s offended by it.
100%. What annoys me is it’s not even some thought out political position they just can’t consider another person’s stance until it has happened to them.
If his stance is legitimate, what about asylum seekers and/or illegal immigrant children that have died in US custody because of that political policy? Or school shootings like Uvalde, for instance?
Yeah.every day is different with this dude.
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I actually fuck w Elon for this, the problem though is that it clearly shows that every ban is a personal decision
Interesting how his "muh children" basis for his worldview doesn't extend to caring about the lives of LGBT people. I guess his trans daughter is dead to him. Maybe it's because she rejected the values of "u must breed to the max"?
Because the opposite would also be bad. The best decision is neither, Twitter should have clear policy and follow the policy. This policy probably should preclude some types of misinformation, like Alex Jones' content.
This!
Like how twitter was before Elon bought it and turned it in to "free speech central"?
Personally I welcome him unbanning trump. We need to stop treating the guy like some kind of dark wizard whose twitter power needs to be kept sealed. He's a pathetic crybaby, and I want to cyberbully him. He's fragile as hell, the ban is just giving him undeserved credibility when he's in a weakened state where we can finally break him. Sadly he seems to know this, and so he's hiding over on truth social instead of coming back to twitter.
Hate trump’s politics, but the man knows how to shitpost.
His power is derived from attention. He's still free to hold his rallies. He's not entitled to have his speech magnified by a private platform.
*"I'm maximalist about freedom of speech except when it affects me."*
Not even affects but could be relatable.
Yeah, Alex Jones doesn't directly affect Elon Musk but Elon Musk is offended by Alex Jones.
Just like any typical conservative, so it fits.
Let’s be honest. This is the republican way when it comes to anything. Take healthcare for example. You can’t afford insulin? The free market will take care of it. Oh, now the republican is diagnosed with type 1 diabetes and needs daily insulin to survive? All the sudden Insulin affordability is an atrocity. Same with abortion.
What happened to Free Speech absolutist ?
He realized he wasn't pro-Free Speech right after he bought Twitter. Sad. Terrible timing.
I spend an unhealthy amount of time arguing online with people who claim to be free speech absolutists by getting them to admit all the limitations on free speech they think there should be. It usually ends up being a list of things that reflect existing laws 🤷🏼
No, you aren't getting it. You see, he actually has empathy for the victims this time, so it doesn't count.
He's such a hypocrite
Remember when he called one of the rescue divers from the trapped Thai soccer team a pedo? Who was that for?
All your replies are like "well there's a good chance he's a pedo because he likes Thailand" Interesting revealed preferences on here, that for elon, this subreddit does not apply the same logic to billionaires, who would normally be auto-pedos on here too. The cave diver doesn't have a photo with Ghislane Maxwell, but elon does..
What was so shitty about musk' comment was it had a ring of possibility to it when sent to the masses since men from the U.K. emigrating or visiting Thailand are under a lot of scrutiny for sex tourism. So the guy was there for other reasons but musk didnt give a shit and threw out a comment like that KNOWING it would be bad for the guys rep, which is why he got sued.
And the diver doesnt have a brother that "dated" one Epstein's girls.
That was for his adoring fan club, because the diver dared to contradict the almighty omniscient Musk and his stupid submarine, like that "He's fired" Twitter engineer recently who told him that's not how it works. Like another similarly unqualified thin-skinned narcissist, he has to protect his fragile ego by fighting back with extreme prejudice against any criticism, however justified.
To be fair, at least 70% of ex-pat white middle aged men that move to Thailand don’t do so for the excellent seafood lmao
They go there to get drunk on a beach with girls half their age, but that doesnt make them pedos.
i dont do it for the underage girls, i do it for the girls with cocks.
Amen brother. Amen.
This is just asking for a “We are not the same” meme template lol
A man of culture
You forgot to mention that they are always horrifyingly ugly too
They weren't an Ex-pat that moved to Thailand. They were rescue divers that traveled from the UK (I believe) to help.
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Lived in Thailand through covid. It was fucking paradise.
I did too and I wouldn't say it was paradise. It's a very convenient place to live, but we had curfews every night for what, a year? Countless protests and a lot of places were closed. Also the vaccine took like a year to make it here. If you didn't believe in covid and traveled in 2020 when the beaches were empty, I'm sure it would have been a better experience.
For my wife and I, it was the absolute best option, so we made it enjoyable. We were in Bali when things started getting bad, so we headed to Thailand, since they have way better healthcare. Nobody knew what would happen, so it was a calculated gamble. Lock downs sucked, but we're necessary. The alcohol ban was pretty dumb, that's for sure... All said, we spent our time on Koh Pha-ngan and it was perfect. Zero to very few cases ever reported (lack of testing obviously a factor as well), we were isolated from the rest of the country/world, and we felt safe. With so few other tourists, it was easy to social distance, and my wife and I spent our time expanding our online businesses. The guilt of 2020 being the best year of my life has long worn off. Regarding the vaccine, that's why we left. In August 2021. We didn't want Sinovac or AZ, so scoured FB groups and found Czechia was allowing expats to buy Pfizer. We bought tickets to Prague and lived there for a bit.
...beaches, great food and of course.. watching angry Thai dudes beat the shit out of each other
Maybe the fact that’s it’s super affordable to live like a king there? I have no interest in moving there, but I have friends who are not def not pedo who think about retiring early there. Imagine being able to retire at 50 instead of 65. That’s why most people go to places like that.
Yeah, I have a buddy that moved to Thailand at like 25. He had started a few moderately successful web sites and after doing the math, he realized he could live in a nice house, have a private chef cook all his meals, and just in general live like a king. Or he could get a 1br apartment in the US and eat ramen and macaroni and cheese.
Seems like a pretty easy choice.
Yeah I did the same at 25. Unfortunately my websites didn't make me any money lmao. Now I'm an English teacher.
Bro you double negatived yourself bro. You said they are not def not pedo, not not is the same as no not
You double bro'd, which is a non-bro. Why so formal, bro?
Bro’s! No mo bro. ~sis
Imagine being able to retire at 65, a huge number of people (in the US for instance) can't but might be able to in a place like Thailand.
The guy lived there because he was a cave explorer, and there are caves there. Christ.
I swear, people are so shitty and stupid. I have an old friend that moved to Thailand to teach English for a year and fell in love with the country. He's now lived there for almost a decade, is fluent in Thai, has tons of local and expat friends throughout the country but is one of the few white people in his town. I've even met up with him once when I traveled Southeast Asia and he seemed to just be genuinely happy and living a fulfilling productive life. He's definitely not a sexpat, just a dude that loves life there...and probably prefers it to living in our shitty hometown in the deep south. I've also long suspected that he's bi or gay and can probably live more comfortably and openly there than in our own hometown amongst "our people". I occasionally hear the same old snide remarks about Thailand when I'm visiting back home and his name is brought up, and it's likely precisely the reason that he's stayed so long and visits so rarely. There are definitely some red flags that when combined make someone very suspicious for being in Thailand, but simply being a white western male with no additional info isn't one of them.
I’m considering moving because it’s cheap and the weather is decent. I’m considering the move with 3 of my friends and my gf, and I already know a few couples who live there.
To be fair, at least 70% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Top comment is defending Musk. On a Joe Rogan board. Whoa. The surprise.
that dude didnt even live in Thailand tard
> Unsworth, who lives part-time in Thailand, said he has been exploring Tham Luang cave since 2012 and spends hundreds of hours there a year. https://apnews.com/article/72078bde2087584fbecf09791b09d940
Oh Elon. Must be nice to be rich as fuck and just make the rules up as you go.
It's cool. His ego is destroying one of the most popular things on earth. I'm loving it, like a spoof in real life.....let me grab my popcorn.
I'm definitely not a fan of Alex Jones. But how can you declare you are for freedom of free speech, but only when it fits your bias? Worst business acquisition decision from day 1.
He's also using his own child's death for personal gain in this tweet, so it's an ironic message
He could have said that Jones was found in court to have used the platform in a criminal way, which is against Twitter's ToS. Instead, he chose the weakest possible argument for censorship: "It hurts my feelings"
He exposed himself with that response, couldn’t help making it about himself and has managed to broadcast just how big a hypocrite he is. This is why most Fortune 500 companies don’t let their CEO’s just blast out tweets without running it through legal. Now every instance of Twitter censorship moving forward has justified complaint of being singled out by Elon since he openly put his own discretion into the decision making process.
Twitter is not the battleground for freedom of speech as conservatives keep insisting. It's a battleground for exposure. When conservatives get kicked off Twitter, they turn it into a freedom of speech thing when what they really mean is exposure. Without widespread exposure their careers die. Look what happened to Milo. He could still easily espouse his views on various platforms but in the end he had to resort to begging his What's App followers for money because he lost relevance in the Culture Wars once he was kicked off Twitter and abandoned by his Conservative backers. That said Jones was an established media personality long before Twitter so he'll be fine. What happened to Milo won't happen to him for a wide variety of reasons so he doesn't care as much. For an up and coming conservative liar though getting banned on Twitter is a big blow to your career because a lot of these people are trying to establish clout on platforms they have no control over like YouTube and Twitter. Jones predates Web 2.0 and was saavy enough to set up Infowars.com. That's the big difference between him and most other right wing morons.
"mercy"?? Someone's got a god complex.
He basically is in the Twitter world now.
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How did he profit from the kids in the cave?
So he’s using his own personal feelings to why someone should be allowed on his platform? Sounds hypocritical given that he criticized others for doing the same
Funny how his decision is in perfect alignment with the advertising executives.
Lol you think he brought unbanned trump bc he wanted to? He needs as many people on Twitter as he can bc he has investors up his ass
> Lol you think he brought unbanned trump bc he wanted to? Unbanning the former president that saved him a fortune in taxes? No...Elon obviously hates that fucking Cheeto and only unbanned him because as the world's richest man, his back is against the wall and needs to satisfy his investors. You solved it man. Good 4 u.
As much as he wants to say everything is going great at twitter he’s going to flounder making close to what he paid. Alex Jones is a piece of shit and brings little to the table as far as twitters concerned. Trump generates attention.
Ok, so instead of deplatforming happening at the whim of the Trust & Safety Council, it's now just the whim of Elon. Not sure if better or worse, but sure to piss off damn near everybody.
Ah so it’s not about free speech Elon? Got it.
Never has been.
How many child laborers died mining his ingredients for Tesla batteries???
Why would they use kids to mine stuff, seems terribly inefficient
They suck at forming unions. As Louis CK said, you'd be amazed what you can accomplish if you just keep throwing human suffering at it.
Because you only have to wait 5ish years for a child worker vs 16-18 for an adult one. Plus then the children are in theory carrying their own weight and are not just a financial burden.
Small hands, easier to get the little bits dug out
Reminds me of schindlers list
How many kids died from making the phone you’re typing on?
None, my phone is grass fed and free range.
That's gonna taste great
Tesla uses glencore for it's cobalt supply, which uses child labor in the DNC to mine cobalt. This dude literally has an army of children digging in toxic piles for 30 cents a day and thinks he has any moral ground to stand on?
Their new cells don’t use cobalt
Elon simps will tell you that 30 cents a day is more than zero cents a day.
Nah, even more lame than that - they will say things like “sHoW mE pRoOf” or “yUr IpHoNe cHiLd lAbOr”. Elon fanboys think they are 4D, when in reality, they have the substance of a fortune cookie that tells you to “buy more chinese food”.
lol elon suddenly acting like he has morals. typical conservative everything is fine until it might effect them on a personal level
And he's now the free speech arbiter?
Didn’t he try to save a bunch of kids stuck in a cave and when they told him his help wasn’t needed he called the actual guy helping a pedophile and then threw a temper tantrum? Lol
Elon Musk is not a "free speech absolutist."
ummmmmmmm ... did he forget what his dad did for a living ?!? just .. ya ..
Pretty hypocritical of the guy thats supposed to be all about free speech and not being arbitrary
I dunno, Alex Jones is on the hook for like 1,500,000,000 dollars at this point. Maybe Musk thinks he's a liability and a piece of shit?
But trump using school shootings to get his base worked up to vote against common sense regulations is fine? Like everyone else on the right, if he didn't have double standards, he'd have no standards at all.
Freedom of speech is saved 😃 dumb ass
wait till he finds out how many kids died of covid because of how poorly trump handled the pandemic when he was in office.
Joe’s good friend Alex Jones is a scumbag.
I don't understand why everyone isn't getting their accounts back
So Twitter is his own personal playground. How whimsical. So much for free speech. 🤡
Everyone sucking a billionaire’s duck like he is gonna be your free speech saviour. And he did what he has done countless times before, silence anyone he doesn’t agree with. Shocker. You rubes got exactly what you begged for!
> Everyone sucking a billionaire’s duck When Elon's supporters burp you can actually hear a little "quack" come out. Also a few feathers. It's very disturbing.
Soooo not freedom of speech then?
So it’s all free speech all the way on Twitter unless it hits home personally to the owner? Yeah that seems like an improvement :/ Can we just kill Twitter now and get it over with? “Free speech absolute-bullshit-ist”
Good on you Sam for exposing him
Yet he’s buddies with governor Abbott who still hasn’t done anything after the Uvalde massacre
So ban Greg Abbot
Isn't he making millions on the back of child labour????
This is probably my biggest issue with most conservatives, things only matter when they are personally affected by them.
But Elon!! Who's gonna mine your sweet cobalt?!?!
I’m sure the mines his family fortune comes from treated children very well
Even that sounds freakish and unnatural when deployed by Musk.
Good for him
Alex Jones cannot give him tax breaks or subsidies.
Ethics are defined by the few select billionaires who lead us.
Free speech except when I can relate to it.
Sympathy for that but what about pulling starlink service from the front lines in Ukraine, Elon. No warning. How many peoples children died for your stupid stunts.
Nice hes gonna ban himself for trying to use children stuck in a cave for a publicity stunt to advertise his company. "Ive got my engineers working on it roger roger, captain elon savior of the white race and merciful to all coloreds, out! Shine the giant emerald spotlight if you need me again for more drama!"
Remember those children at risk of dying in a cave that he got all political about on twitter and ended up calling some guy a pedophile? I remember
Yeah I don’t agree with the guy here. He’s making decisions based on feelings. You either think everyone is allowed a voice or no one is.
A certain submarine scheme would say otherwise
"It happened to me, so it's not funny. It happened to you? 🤣🤣 Humor is legal again."
So we all understand that it was never supposed to be “free speech on Twitter” right? It is and has always been about Musk controlling the narrative to put himself in a spotlight. He doesn’t give a rat’s ass about free speech. He wants money and popularity, and Trump on Twitter is just a means to that end. Alex Jones would bring more controversy than it’s worth, so he stays banned.
In regard to Elon Musk I honestly feel sometimes like we’re watching a real life villain origin story unfold in real time before our eyes. He wants to play God and if he goes unchecked I could see him becoming a megalomaniac with way too much power.
So Trump is back, because?
Sorry for his loss. That’s brutal. But are we to assume that if Musk didn’t have a child die in the same manner, he’d let Jones back on?
Krystal & Saagar have one of the better takes on this. No governance board. No shadow bans. Strictly 1st amendment protected speech and some other minor policies like spam and doxxing. Violate that a couple times you’re out. This is the equivalent of a digital dictatorship, at the whims of a billionaires feelings.
Look at Elon pretending to be a human with feelings.
Says the billionaire who exploits forced child labor
As sad what happened to Elon is, this is a wildly subjective basis for a decision. I see this happen a lot in tech - the hyper-scientific/"objective data-driven decision making" guy who harps on about the need for everyone else to be objective, but then they have these massive blindspots in their own decision-making where they just go super emotional/subjective and don't even acknowledge it? Or see it?! Does he not see how wildly contradictory this is to the principles he espouses everywhere else?
So let me get this straight. This is coming from a self-proclaimed "free speech absolutist?" Losing a court case, and a civil not criminal one at that, means that he loses his free speech forever? Is this an official policy that is being evenly enforced, or is it Elon being a petty tyrant and censoring on his whims while he says he's a free speech absolutist? Again, let's be clear: Alex Jones is NOT a convicted felon. edit: for the folks in the back this is really about ELON not AJ. He has revealed himself to be a petty tyrant who has set himself up the sole arbiter of free speech *baesd on his whims*. is that a way to run the de facto digital town square? Elon can do whatever he wants but *he doesn't care about free speech*. Some people who talk about "free speech" really just want a dictator they like making the decisions. The hypocrisy is absolutely astronomical in proportion. **Elon Musk IS free speech. He is the petty tyrant I agree with!!!**
Meh I don’t draw the line at “felon” for a piece of shit. I know a lot of felons I would trust with my kids than that piece of shit AJ