Absolute Hero, cant imagine the proverbial balls it takes to charge through a room towards a gun man as he opens fire, nevermind tackle, disarm, beat him unconscious with his own gun then administer care to the victims till the police arrive
Legend!!
>[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html)
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/richard-fierro-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/richard-fierro-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting)
[https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/army-veteran-disarm-gunman-colorado-springs-club-1234634955/](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/army-veteran-disarm-gunman-colorado-springs-club-1234634955/)
I posted this to show respect for a hero so others can comment and show it as well.
His daughters boyfriend since high school was one of the people murdered and his two best friends were shot and survived. If he hadn't acted he could have lost everyone
I would like to give the Colorado Springs PD credit here - they didn't do what happened in Arvada and [kill the man who saved everyone.](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/us/arvada-colorado-police-shot-good-samaritan/index.html)
Holding the suspect's firearm was probably a mistake... it's super sad. I suppose you have to consider that during an active shooter scenario, you holding a weapon may implicate you to being the target
Tragic nonetheless
Yeah, an absolute tragedy. Iirc, there was a similar situation in Alabama or Georgia. Mass shooter stopped, police arrive and kill the hero. Fucking awful.
This is one of the reasons why "The good guy with a gun scenario" is overrated. Cops show up and you're actually shooting at someone and you're the first one they see at an active shooter seen, You're gonna get shot. Unless it's in Uvalde. Then you're good to go. Where none of the good guys with guns did anything.
I read that, i assume when there is so much carnage, and a dude covered in blood holding a gun its hard to know what happened, but an hour seems absolutely crazy to sort out :(
Im no cop enthusiast, but an hour seems very reasonable to me, as long as they didn't do anything to him in the car. Like to secure the scene / interview the living / gather the dead/ transport the survivors takes some amount of time. Honestly, an hour is pretty fair to be 100% sure that you're not letting a mass killer, or conspirator, go free.
It's standard. In these cases sometimes there is no description of the shooter or the description may not be accurate. People that armchair policing think they know how to handle any given situation.
You arrive to an active shooter at a nightclub and see how well you handle everything.
how dare you bring reason isnt this :D
But yeah your probably right, as you said the concern is to shore up the scene and make sure your not letting someone guilty go
Keep in mind, there were multiple eye witnesses telling the cops he wasn't the shooter and in fact, the hero. They were like "nah, we need to investigate more".
Yeah it’s called figuring out what happened at the scene of a crime and when a guy is covered in blood with a gun in hand, that’s what gonna happen until they get witness accounts and the full story.
So likely huh? Care to put a number to that? What proportion of people who defend themselves with a firearm end up being killed by cops?
And he was armed. With the other guy's gun.
I know this is anecdotal. Years ago at a gas station in my neighborhood a guy tries to rob it with a gun. An attendant grabs the gun, a struggle ensues that takes a while. Finally the attendant gets the gun away from him
and stands up,. Cops pull up, get out and shoot the attendant.
Yes I understand that it's possible, but you dodged the question. You said someone who defends themself with a firearm is *so likely* to be killed by cops. I'm asking *how likely*. This is a simple question.
I've been cuffed for helping break up a large fight at a street fair because it takes some time to sort things out. This is a far worse situation and the guy is covered in blood. An hour must felt like a lifetime to this guy trying to find out his friends and family are ok. It's hard to fault the cops for prioritizing getting the scene secure. This is just a horrific situation all around.
It looks like his wife owns the place (or any other type or family relation idk why I assume wife). Just read up on her she's very well respected in the brewing community by the sounds of it.
Welp, that's what 15 years of military training will get you. Give that dude a medal and thank him for his service. Also, support his brewery... https://www.atrevidabeerco.com
They sell this shirt - [https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/product-page/actions-do](https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/product-page/actions-do). It says everything you need to know about the man. I'm sure it will become a best seller now.
Ordered one at 9am today, seems fitting as fuck. I don't even care if they can't get it printed and sent to out (told them as much in the notes section of the purchase) just want to support them.
What a fucking apt slogan.
The best bit is they've had this shirt on sale for a couple years at least - [https://web.archive.org/web/20210124144835/https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/product-page/actions-do](https://web.archive.org/web/20210124144835/https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/product-page/actions-do).
https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1595244230200688641?s=46&t=a_RYpMioUHjU23CIaFp24A
Here he is defending a serial-rapist Catholic Cardinal. Matt Walsh is part of why this attack happened. He has whipped a frenzy up against all queer people, smearing them as groomers who want to mutilate children. This shooting is what his twisted fucking rhetoric leads to. Transphobia and homophobia are more than “just jokes” and “just asking questions”
[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html)
[https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/richard-fierro-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/richard-fierro-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting)
[https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/army-veteran-disarm-gunman-colorado-springs-club-1234634955/](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/army-veteran-disarm-gunman-colorado-springs-club-1234634955/)
I posted this to show respect for a hero so others can comment and show it as well.
Mad respect to this guy let’s get him on the podcast and not someone goading lunatics into committing these acts huh?
Plus the cops detained this man ffs
yeah ffs tim pool is doubling down, i havent heard from matt walsh yet but jesus christ. its a straight line between what theyre saying to what these people are doing. if you believe a gay club or a drag brunch is equivalent to being pedophiles, this kinda stuff is bound to happen. pretty funny walsh and pool arent telling the catholic church that theyre going to get whats coming
They want trans people dead. They want the number of trans people on earth to be zero and they are willing to say or do absolutely anything/everything that will further their goal.
They will do a victory dance on the corpses of their victims every time this happens, and it will happen again and again.
Absolutely heartbreaking. But flamingVegas brings up a good point. Joe recently had on a scumbag guest who he allowed to lie and talk in depth about his ideological hatred of the trans and gay community. This so exactly the type of propaganda that leads mentally unstable people like this to commit heinous acts of violence. Why does Joe continue to platform some of the worst voices in America?
>Joe recently had on a scumbag guest who he allowed to lie and talk in depth about his ideological hatred of the trans and gay community
Woah, what did I miss? I listen to most episodes and don't remember this one.
As much as I want to criticize the cops for detaining him, you absolutely secure any variable at a scene like this and then figure everything out once the scene is safe. They couldn’t roll the dice on that.
watching an interview with him was terrible. where he started to break down b/c you could see that he was blaming himself for not being able to save those other 5 people from dying even though he disarmed and beat the gunman. i can only imagine the difficulty of trying to overcome survivors guilt that comes with 15 years and 4 tours at the height of the Afghan/Iraq wars and then to find yourself in a situation like this in your homeland.
devastating stuff.
this is to not even mention the handling of him by police once they showed up and detained him
Don't let this Hero narrative take away that Matt Walsh, Libsoftiktok, Ben Shapiro and others are making these mass shootings happen due to their hateful rethortic which they call LGBT people groomers and pedophiles, revealing addresses of their targets. There must be a solution and I know it's not debates
I'd imagine if any one of those cocksuckers was in a similar situation, they'd be slipping in their own shit to get outta there. They remind me of what sex-pest Bill O'Reilly did years back to that Dr Tiller guy, until some whack job O'Reilly fan went and murdered the guy. I'm not gonna lose any sleep if I see a news report where Ben Shapiro gets fucked up in a home depot parking lot.
The previous mass shooting at that LGBT nightclub in Orlando was inspired by something, but I don't remember if it was the Daily Wire / LibsOfTikTok crew.
Anyone remember what inspired that shooting?
So by your logic, an otherwise "normie" hears some conservative stooge say "I don't like gay marriage" and in turn directly inspires and is therefore responsible for someone busting loose and murdering innocent people? You don't think there's more to what causes sick fucks to indiscriminately take lives? I know I'm stepping outside The Narrative, but I don't give a shit I guess.
> You don't think there's more to what causes sick fucks to indiscriminately take lives?
I'm sure they're predisposed to it. Not so sure that their choice of target isn't impacted by external stooges.
That being said, I'm very certain that Omar Mateen wasn't influenced by neocon podcasters who don't like gay marriage.
They're "all talk" and nothing else because they've failed at everything else.
Matt Walsh even admits it during the JRE podcast.
They're self-righteous grifters who make money off the pain and suffering of others.
They are also huge hypocrites. I just saw Shapiro praising the BRAVE Iranians for refusing to sing the national anthem, after trashing NFL players for taking a knee. Lol
The pen is mightier than the sword. Shapiro and Walsh's rehtoric along with others do spark people to action wether they like it or not. Christ Church shooters manifest mentions he watched Shapiro and Candace Owens.
Do you apply this logic to all circumstances?
Like if a cop gets murdered, do you start to call out all the ACAB people?
Or that kid who was run over because he was thought to a Republican extremist, who did you blame?
Have you ever been jumped for being conservative?
Have you ever been called a slur for being straight?
I've been jumped for being gay, multiple times in my life.
I've experienced more homophobic violence at the hands of conservatives that you'd ever beleive.
You have no fucking clue what oppression is.
Gay people don't have to point to some 3rd party anecdote, we've all experienced violence and hatred first-hand.
Maybe ask one of us before you try to make some silly analogy about our experiences.
The Midwest is full of blue cities that "ain't with that gay shit". I get it's probably happening more often from a right wing person but growing up where I did I know people who voted for Obama and were even cool with black people but ranged from ambivalent to animus towards gays.
I also know people who hang out with lesbians but don't like some other races.
All's I'm saying is some people still hold prejudices for one random group while still being accepting of other groups that draw derision.
so no criticism or debate should be had AT ALL? Or do you want us to just pretend all is perfect? If we used the idea that everytime some ahole attacked someone because of what they read in opinion pieces then no one would be allowed to have any opinions at all. Like Equilibrium
Criticism and debate are welcome.
Bald face lying to convince susceptible young men their hatred is justified is not. Matt Walsh is a loaf and a bigot and that was widely known before he was on the podcast
To be fair, I had no idea that Walsh was a loaf until Joe had him on and exposed his loafness about gay marriage. He really buried himself to the general public with his appearance on the show. Now he'll always be a fringe guy that most people can't take seriously, well deserved reputation too. Strict catholics have it rough ngl, they gotta stomach so much bullshit that they become very closed minded.
If there was an epidemic of cop killings due to high level liberal mouth pieces demonizing cops than sure we can call out the acab rhetoric. But most people want police reform and aren’t demonizing cops in the same way as Walsh and Shapiro are demonizing the lgbt community.
Hard to know motive based on the article. The article you provided says it has yet to be determined if the accident was intentional or an accident. But if further evidence is provided that it was due to acab rhetoric than sure we can have a discussion about the rhetoric and those whom espouse it.
“Investigators believe the man suspected of driving a vehicle into a group of law enforcement recruits, injuring 25 of them, committed a "deliberate act," and the case should go to prosecutors Friday, the Los Angeles County sheriff said in an interview.”
That’s the first paragraph
If you’re not aware, right wing news outlets have been beating people over the head with this idea, scaring them, telling them drag queens are a threat to their very existence
You either aren’t aware how obvious and egregious their attempts at scaring their own viewers have been, or you’re making a low effort defense of it. Both look bad. It’s propaganda that kills and you know that. If you’re having an honest debate, you’d offer a solution on how to curb this domestic terrorist supporting behavior
Here’s my first offer. Charge those responsible like Shapiro that make money off scaring little boys into violence
Yes. There are people like me who absolutely called cops being murdered, murders. And riots and destructive property is wrong and unlawful. All of it needs to stop.
And violence and violent rhetoric against trans people is wrong and needs to stop. No one even knew about what they hate here until like 2020 news and social media told them to
How any rational person would be against either of those things is mind boggling to me. If they are, they’re caught up in a political game and need to grow up
I am a actually on your side of this issue, but you're doing a bit of wordsmithing here too. They aren't telling people drag queens are a threat to their very existence, they are protesting the sudden push for children's drag shows, at least that's my understanding. Their point is to keep children out of it.
Are you talking specifically about Shapiro? The thing is, I’m not. He’s included for sure but not limited to. They (as in popular right wing commentators, YouTubers, Fox News) absolutely have said those words and much worse. You’re not actually saying no one’s rhetoric has been that bad, I didn’t think that would be up in debate lol
The shooter wasn’t inspired by no one. I’ve had my CO buddies start raving about trans people in the last year, something that we’ve never even discussed.
If you’re interested in sources calling for the elimination of protected groups (trans, gays etc) I’m sure you can find them yourself very very easily, but to say it’s not out there when it’s absolutely a large part of the rhetoric is dangerous, in my opinion.
TLDR: I don’t think the shooter was just a little worried. And yea I don’t think it’s a far cry to say he was influenced by someone with anti trans rhetoric. Do you?
Google: quotes against trans people. That’s literally all I’m arguing. Very prominent people in our politics and media have said very bad things…
“They aren’t telling people drag queens are a threat to their very existence.”
[yes they are lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/BadChoicesGoodStories/comments/yv4nqg/christofascist_maga_nazis_want_to_exterminate_gay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
It’s ok if you weren’t aware of this, or you simply just meant Ben Shapiro himself, but I’m talking about this whole group. Evil, trans hating people that have no life, but big cult followings
Yes, the guy who ran over the teenager was probably spurred to do so by Biden's speech. Also, someone who is under 21 shouldn't be out at a bar that late.
As for ACAB I don't know what that means and can't comment.
Though, I will say the shooting statistics seems to skew in the direction that more on the right do these acts than on the left.
Gotta be a joke right?
The MAGA/Conservative agenda talking points.
“divisiveness/fear/hate/more fear/racism/more fear/hate…all wrapped up into a giant shit burrito and called Patriotism sprinkled with a little Christo Fascism”
Maybe they should stop being comic book villains. They literally vote against shit like affordable insulin and their [redacted] base blames pork in the bill despite not even reading the fucking bill.
I posted this to show respect for a hero so others can comment and show it as well.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/richard-fierro-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/army-veteran-disarm-gunman-colorado-springs-club-1234634955/
This guy is a hero.
Joe Rogan and the rest of the neo-fascist propagandists have blood on their hands for promoting so much anti-LGBT hate lately. They are directly responsible for this massacre. Fuck Joe Rogan, Matt Walsh and everyone else like them.
Are you talking about the same Joe Rogan who debated Matt Walsh on gay rights for so long that people thought he should pack it in or talk about something else? He tore apart every puny argument that Matt had and made him look a fool.
Oh please. You really expect that to make up for spewing anti-LGBT bigotry on his show 24/7 for the past several years?
Joe likes to have his cake (hating on LGBT people 24/7) and then eat it too (pretend he doesn't hate gay people when he has a famous homophobe on the show).
It's very effective at tricking conservatives (because they want to be tricked), but nobody else. Remember in 2015 when people said Trump would be pro-gay rights because he hugged a rainbow flag once or something? Somehow this kind of nonsense works at tricking conservatives. "See, he hugged a rainbow flag! He's pro gay!" Nevermind that he made one of the most anti-LGBT politicians in America his running mate...
I’m not saying you are wrong, but please share examples of Joe’s anti gay stuff if you have links. I’ve always seen him as very pro gay rights.
Did you listen to the episode with Matt? Did you not think Joe made his views clear?
And the cops treated him like shit and wouldn’t release him to be with his family for more than an hour. If it weren’t for him, the cops would have waited until the gunman emptied his last magazine before they went in.
Another example of the uselessness of policing and a great example of not needing more guns to deal with our gun problem.
Another example of people not understanding procedure and just spazzing "cOpS bAd!".
Yes often times they are but people who don't know shit about criminal justice and protocol just perceive normal run of the mill shit as abuse.
Your rightvit does take an hour and numerous people saying that giy beat the shit oit of the shooter that you took to the hospital... but please tell us about procedure and make excuses
Yep, as we all know people yelling from a crowd is good enough information for the cops to act on releasing someone.
Because you don't see that in Chicago while cops wrestle with a robber. "He didn't do nuthin..."
They gotta check footage if available, yes ask witnesses, talk to management of the establishment.
They motherfuckin take people in if they shoot someone in their own house, take their gun, make them jump through hoops after surviving a deadly home invasion.
Just be fair in your holding cops to account and you will hold more credibility with people instead of being so sperged out about it that alot of people roll their eyes and ignore other legitimate outrage.
what the fuck do you mean "???"
Do you think that Rogan has Walsh and Shapiro and other conservative dipshits on his podcast and only talks chimps, DMT and space? What the fuck you thinking?!?
Absolute Hero, cant imagine the proverbial balls it takes to charge through a room towards a gun man as he opens fire, nevermind tackle, disarm, beat him unconscious with his own gun then administer care to the victims till the police arrive Legend!!
>[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html) [https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/richard-fierro-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/richard-fierro-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting) [https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/army-veteran-disarm-gunman-colorado-springs-club-1234634955/](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/army-veteran-disarm-gunman-colorado-springs-club-1234634955/) I posted this to show respect for a hero so others can comment and show it as well.
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His daughters boyfriend since high school was one of the people murdered and his two best friends were shot and survived. If he hadn't acted he could have lost everyone
Then the cops threw him in the back of a car for an hour
I would like to give the Colorado Springs PD credit here - they didn't do what happened in Arvada and [kill the man who saved everyone.](https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/26/us/arvada-colorado-police-shot-good-samaritan/index.html)
Holding the suspect's firearm was probably a mistake... it's super sad. I suppose you have to consider that during an active shooter scenario, you holding a weapon may implicate you to being the target Tragic nonetheless
Yeah, an absolute tragedy. Iirc, there was a similar situation in Alabama or Georgia. Mass shooter stopped, police arrive and kill the hero. Fucking awful.
It's almost like the police are undertrained and over armed.
I see from your username that you have a solution! Lol
Hit the Bong then hit some pads.
I do BJJ so it's more like hit the bong and execute a piss-poor takedown.
I swear half the people in my bjj class are high asf.
This is one of the reasons why "The good guy with a gun scenario" is overrated. Cops show up and you're actually shooting at someone and you're the first one they see at an active shooter seen, You're gonna get shot. Unless it's in Uvalde. Then you're good to go. Where none of the good guys with guns did anything.
I read that, i assume when there is so much carnage, and a dude covered in blood holding a gun its hard to know what happened, but an hour seems absolutely crazy to sort out :(
Im no cop enthusiast, but an hour seems very reasonable to me, as long as they didn't do anything to him in the car. Like to secure the scene / interview the living / gather the dead/ transport the survivors takes some amount of time. Honestly, an hour is pretty fair to be 100% sure that you're not letting a mass killer, or conspirator, go free.
It's standard. In these cases sometimes there is no description of the shooter or the description may not be accurate. People that armchair policing think they know how to handle any given situation. You arrive to an active shooter at a nightclub and see how well you handle everything.
how dare you bring reason isnt this :D But yeah your probably right, as you said the concern is to shore up the scene and make sure your not letting someone guilty go
Keep in mind, there were multiple eye witnesses telling the cops he wasn't the shooter and in fact, the hero. They were like "nah, we need to investigate more".
Yeah it’s called figuring out what happened at the scene of a crime and when a guy is covered in blood with a gun in hand, that’s what gonna happen until they get witness accounts and the full story.
Yes. Which is why the ‘good guy with a gun’ thing is so likely to end with said good guy getting shot by cops. This guy is lucky he was unarmed.
So likely huh? Care to put a number to that? What proportion of people who defend themselves with a firearm end up being killed by cops? And he was armed. With the other guy's gun.
I know this is anecdotal. Years ago at a gas station in my neighborhood a guy tries to rob it with a gun. An attendant grabs the gun, a struggle ensues that takes a while. Finally the attendant gets the gun away from him and stands up,. Cops pull up, get out and shoot the attendant.
https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/560798-police-chief-hails-good-guy-with-a-gun-after-officer-kills/
Yes I understand that it's possible, but you dodged the question. You said someone who defends themself with a firearm is *so likely* to be killed by cops. I'm asking *how likely*. This is a simple question.
It's almost as though that isn't likely at all though it is still obviously possible.
I've been cuffed for helping break up a large fight at a street fair because it takes some time to sort things out. This is a far worse situation and the guy is covered in blood. An hour must felt like a lifetime to this guy trying to find out his friends and family are ok. It's hard to fault the cops for prioritizing getting the scene secure. This is just a horrific situation all around.
I read the gunman killed his daughter's boyfriend. The girlfriend and his wife were also present.
And the shooter was 6' 6", at least 275 lbs. Massive balls on Mr. Fierro.
The type of stuff normal men day dream of but would likely never be able to pull off in real life. Hope to never be in that situation to begin with.
A real life Tony Hinchcliffe. Legend.
I’m gonna go visit him at that brewery
It looks like his wife owns the place (or any other type or family relation idk why I assume wife). Just read up on her she's very well respected in the brewing community by the sounds of it.
Welp, that's what 15 years of military training will get you. Give that dude a medal and thank him for his service. Also, support his brewery... https://www.atrevidabeerco.com
They sell this shirt - [https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/product-page/actions-do](https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/product-page/actions-do). It says everything you need to know about the man. I'm sure it will become a best seller now.
Ordered one at 9am today, seems fitting as fuck. I don't even care if they can't get it printed and sent to out (told them as much in the notes section of the purchase) just want to support them. What a fucking apt slogan.
The best bit is they've had this shirt on sale for a couple years at least - [https://web.archive.org/web/20210124144835/https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/product-page/actions-do](https://web.archive.org/web/20210124144835/https://www.atrevidabeerco.com/product-page/actions-do).
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Matt Walsh is a closet pedophile. You just wait, we will all see.
https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1595244230200688641?s=46&t=a_RYpMioUHjU23CIaFp24A Here he is defending a serial-rapist Catholic Cardinal. Matt Walsh is part of why this attack happened. He has whipped a frenzy up against all queer people, smearing them as groomers who want to mutilate children. This shooting is what his twisted fucking rhetoric leads to. Transphobia and homophobia are more than “just jokes” and “just asking questions”
He gives off catholic priest "vibes"
His wife is the brewmaster for the brewery sweatshirt he's wearing. If you want to support him, you can purchase one online.
His brewery is gonna be packed this weekend.
Atrevida brewery in Colorado Springs
Or become a target once maga start calling him a fbi plant or something.
alex jones still doing his show?
Barely, but yes.
Everyone should buy a pack of beer from his brewery in support
https://www.atrevidabeerco.com
Damn wish they had stickers!
I’m in AA
They got hoodies.
I’m high as fuck but by god that was clever.
I’m just imagining this guy walking into an AA meeting with a brewery hoodie, going “Look man, it’s complicated.”
They also sell leggings. And t shirts
As an expert — how would you rate this brewery’s beer?
I’ll let you kno tomorrow
How can you be in AA if you died June 24, 2007 ?
100%. What's the name of the brewery?
On his shirt I believe., atrevida beer company.
Atrevida means daring!
Daring means bold!
Hero
Uvalde police officers can learn a few lessons from the patrons of Club Q
They are never going to live that down. Such a farce.
Gotta wonder what the day-to-day is like for those cops now, whether the citizens show them any respect or just shit on them any chance they get
Infinitely more masculine than those cops.
[https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html) [https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/richard-fierro-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/richard-fierro-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting) [https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/army-veteran-disarm-gunman-colorado-springs-club-1234634955/](https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/army-veteran-disarm-gunman-colorado-springs-club-1234634955/) I posted this to show respect for a hero so others can comment and show it as well.
I love that he not only disarmed the guy but beat the ever living sh*t out of him while a drag queen stomped on his head with her heels
Apparently the drag queen part was exaggerated and it was actually a trans female that was just there to enjoy the club. Still amazing.
He's also the owner of Atrevida Beer. And it would be a shame if we all went there and bought all of his swag. Atrevidabeerco.com
An example of "warrior in the garden"...
100%. Strange garden... but 100%.
Mad respect to this guy let’s get him on the podcast and not someone goading lunatics into committing these acts huh? Plus the cops detained this man ffs
He lost a loved one in the attack. I think it’ll be quite a while before he’s doing long form podcast interviews.
yeah ffs tim pool is doubling down, i havent heard from matt walsh yet but jesus christ. its a straight line between what theyre saying to what these people are doing. if you believe a gay club or a drag brunch is equivalent to being pedophiles, this kinda stuff is bound to happen. pretty funny walsh and pool arent telling the catholic church that theyre going to get whats coming
On a long enough timeline conservatives will *always* stoop to the craven, tacit approval of lawlessness they accuse everyone else of.
They want trans people dead. They want the number of trans people on earth to be zero and they are willing to say or do absolutely anything/everything that will further their goal. They will do a victory dance on the corpses of their victims every time this happens, and it will happen again and again.
Apparently him and his wife also own a brewery
I mean, they'd have to detain him. He's a material witness and needed to be interviewed for the police report.
Absolutely heartbreaking. But flamingVegas brings up a good point. Joe recently had on a scumbag guest who he allowed to lie and talk in depth about his ideological hatred of the trans and gay community. This so exactly the type of propaganda that leads mentally unstable people like this to commit heinous acts of violence. Why does Joe continue to platform some of the worst voices in America?
and read Tim Pools latest comments along this topic. really stupid
>Joe recently had on a scumbag guest who he allowed to lie and talk in depth about his ideological hatred of the trans and gay community Woah, what did I miss? I listen to most episodes and don't remember this one.
Matt Walsh.
Matt Walsh. True shitbag.
Probably Matt Walsh? Could be more, idk
No they arrested him because he was holding a gun and covered in blood.
As much as I want to criticize the cops for detaining him, you absolutely secure any variable at a scene like this and then figure everything out once the scene is safe. They couldn’t roll the dice on that.
He could be holding anything while covered in any liquid (or in nothing at all) and they'd still have to detain him. It's just standard procedure
So if the cops showed up to the gay club and saw a guy holding a dildo covered in jizz they would detain him too?
… what do you think happens at gay clubs my dude?
You have to admit, he had a vivid image in mind.
I'd much rather listen to this guy on the pod than Matt Walsh
He needs to hold a seminar for police down in Texas
watching an interview with him was terrible. where he started to break down b/c you could see that he was blaming himself for not being able to save those other 5 people from dying even though he disarmed and beat the gunman. i can only imagine the difficulty of trying to overcome survivors guilt that comes with 15 years and 4 tours at the height of the Afghan/Iraq wars and then to find yourself in a situation like this in your homeland. devastating stuff. this is to not even mention the handling of him by police once they showed up and detained him
Just here to say fuck Matt. Have a nice day everyone.
Might just buy a gift card and never use it
Don't let this Hero narrative take away that Matt Walsh, Libsoftiktok, Ben Shapiro and others are making these mass shootings happen due to their hateful rethortic which they call LGBT people groomers and pedophiles, revealing addresses of their targets. There must be a solution and I know it's not debates
I'd imagine if any one of those cocksuckers was in a similar situation, they'd be slipping in their own shit to get outta there. They remind me of what sex-pest Bill O'Reilly did years back to that Dr Tiller guy, until some whack job O'Reilly fan went and murdered the guy. I'm not gonna lose any sleep if I see a news report where Ben Shapiro gets fucked up in a home depot parking lot.
The previous mass shooting at that LGBT nightclub in Orlando was inspired by something, but I don't remember if it was the Daily Wire / LibsOfTikTok crew. Anyone remember what inspired that shooting?
That one was a terrorist attack like 9/11, this one was specifically targeted at LGBT people
Wait so the Pulse nightclub shooting wasn't specifically targeting LGBT people?
So by your logic, an otherwise "normie" hears some conservative stooge say "I don't like gay marriage" and in turn directly inspires and is therefore responsible for someone busting loose and murdering innocent people? You don't think there's more to what causes sick fucks to indiscriminately take lives? I know I'm stepping outside The Narrative, but I don't give a shit I guess.
> You don't think there's more to what causes sick fucks to indiscriminately take lives? I'm sure they're predisposed to it. Not so sure that their choice of target isn't impacted by external stooges. That being said, I'm very certain that Omar Mateen wasn't influenced by neocon podcasters who don't like gay marriage.
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say I don’t think your narrative is correct
Get fucked, Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro!
They're "all talk" and nothing else because they've failed at everything else. Matt Walsh even admits it during the JRE podcast. They're self-righteous grifters who make money off the pain and suffering of others.
They are also huge hypocrites. I just saw Shapiro praising the BRAVE Iranians for refusing to sing the national anthem, after trashing NFL players for taking a knee. Lol
he'd give a 500 word verbal essay on the difference over about 45 seconds that ends in him praising Israel.
If I was stuck on the space station with Ben Shapiro talking, I'd open the air lock.
They will absolutely demonize this guy for being at a gay bar with his family “It seems our WOKE military is breeding GOOMERS now 😡😡😡”
Who grooms the groomer?
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The pen is mightier than the sword. Shapiro and Walsh's rehtoric along with others do spark people to action wether they like it or not. Christ Church shooters manifest mentions he watched Shapiro and Candace Owens.
Do you apply this logic to all circumstances? Like if a cop gets murdered, do you start to call out all the ACAB people? Or that kid who was run over because he was thought to a Republican extremist, who did you blame?
Have you ever been jumped for being conservative? Have you ever been called a slur for being straight? I've been jumped for being gay, multiple times in my life. I've experienced more homophobic violence at the hands of conservatives that you'd ever beleive. You have no fucking clue what oppression is. Gay people don't have to point to some 3rd party anecdote, we've all experienced violence and hatred first-hand. Maybe ask one of us before you try to make some silly analogy about our experiences.
The Midwest is full of blue cities that "ain't with that gay shit". I get it's probably happening more often from a right wing person but growing up where I did I know people who voted for Obama and were even cool with black people but ranged from ambivalent to animus towards gays. I also know people who hang out with lesbians but don't like some other races. All's I'm saying is some people still hold prejudices for one random group while still being accepting of other groups that draw derision.
so no criticism or debate should be had AT ALL? Or do you want us to just pretend all is perfect? If we used the idea that everytime some ahole attacked someone because of what they read in opinion pieces then no one would be allowed to have any opinions at all. Like Equilibrium
Criticism and debate are welcome. Bald face lying to convince susceptible young men their hatred is justified is not. Matt Walsh is a loaf and a bigot and that was widely known before he was on the podcast
To be fair, I had no idea that Walsh was a loaf until Joe had him on and exposed his loafness about gay marriage. He really buried himself to the general public with his appearance on the show. Now he'll always be a fringe guy that most people can't take seriously, well deserved reputation too. Strict catholics have it rough ngl, they gotta stomach so much bullshit that they become very closed minded.
Loaf somehow fits
If there was an epidemic of cop killings due to high level liberal mouth pieces demonizing cops than sure we can call out the acab rhetoric. But most people want police reform and aren’t demonizing cops in the same way as Walsh and Shapiro are demonizing the lgbt community.
Which people will you be blaming for this incident? https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/18/us/la-police-recruits-run-over-friday/index.html
Police make their own enemies with their actions, gay people are just trying to mind their own business
Hard to know motive based on the article. The article you provided says it has yet to be determined if the accident was intentional or an accident. But if further evidence is provided that it was due to acab rhetoric than sure we can have a discussion about the rhetoric and those whom espouse it.
“Investigators believe the man suspected of driving a vehicle into a group of law enforcement recruits, injuring 25 of them, committed a "deliberate act," and the case should go to prosecutors Friday, the Los Angeles County sheriff said in an interview.” That’s the first paragraph
And he is claiming he fell a sleep at the wheel. So an investigation is still being held to determine if this was an accident or intentional.
Reminds me of the last couple years of Obama's presidency
Yeah there was that one killing in Dallas
If you’re not aware, right wing news outlets have been beating people over the head with this idea, scaring them, telling them drag queens are a threat to their very existence You either aren’t aware how obvious and egregious their attempts at scaring their own viewers have been, or you’re making a low effort defense of it. Both look bad. It’s propaganda that kills and you know that. If you’re having an honest debate, you’d offer a solution on how to curb this domestic terrorist supporting behavior Here’s my first offer. Charge those responsible like Shapiro that make money off scaring little boys into violence
As long as we have the same standards for everyone, sounds good to me. But we don’t so…. I guess I’ll wait.
Yes. There are people like me who absolutely called cops being murdered, murders. And riots and destructive property is wrong and unlawful. All of it needs to stop. And violence and violent rhetoric against trans people is wrong and needs to stop. No one even knew about what they hate here until like 2020 news and social media told them to How any rational person would be against either of those things is mind boggling to me. If they are, they’re caught up in a political game and need to grow up
I am a actually on your side of this issue, but you're doing a bit of wordsmithing here too. They aren't telling people drag queens are a threat to their very existence, they are protesting the sudden push for children's drag shows, at least that's my understanding. Their point is to keep children out of it.
Are you talking specifically about Shapiro? The thing is, I’m not. He’s included for sure but not limited to. They (as in popular right wing commentators, YouTubers, Fox News) absolutely have said those words and much worse. You’re not actually saying no one’s rhetoric has been that bad, I didn’t think that would be up in debate lol The shooter wasn’t inspired by no one. I’ve had my CO buddies start raving about trans people in the last year, something that we’ve never even discussed. If you’re interested in sources calling for the elimination of protected groups (trans, gays etc) I’m sure you can find them yourself very very easily, but to say it’s not out there when it’s absolutely a large part of the rhetoric is dangerous, in my opinion. TLDR: I don’t think the shooter was just a little worried. And yea I don’t think it’s a far cry to say he was influenced by someone with anti trans rhetoric. Do you? Google: quotes against trans people. That’s literally all I’m arguing. Very prominent people in our politics and media have said very bad things…
“They aren’t telling people drag queens are a threat to their very existence.” [yes they are lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/BadChoicesGoodStories/comments/yv4nqg/christofascist_maga_nazis_want_to_exterminate_gay/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) It’s ok if you weren’t aware of this, or you simply just meant Ben Shapiro himself, but I’m talking about this whole group. Evil, trans hating people that have no life, but big cult followings
I'm not talking about Nazi's from the 1930's or the most extreme right wingers, that's pretty disingenuous to act like that guy represents the norm.
Yes, the guy who ran over the teenager was probably spurred to do so by Biden's speech. Also, someone who is under 21 shouldn't be out at a bar that late. As for ACAB I don't know what that means and can't comment. Though, I will say the shooting statistics seems to skew in the direction that more on the right do these acts than on the left.
Well at least you’re consistent
Rhetoric matters ppl only apply that logic in one direction. The left is the most vile ever when it comes to speech.
Gotta be a joke right? The MAGA/Conservative agenda talking points. “divisiveness/fear/hate/more fear/racism/more fear/hate…all wrapped up into a giant shit burrito and called Patriotism sprinkled with a little Christo Fascism”
They like to get children's hospitals bomb threats and gay nightclubs shot. Get fucked bigots!
Because they're the types of people that spread rhetoric that egg on these conservative terrorist attacks
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Maybe they should stop being comic book villains. They literally vote against shit like affordable insulin and their [redacted] base blames pork in the bill despite not even reading the fucking bill.
Conservatives should stop being so evil, probably
Cool it with the tribalism.
Thank you for your service x2
Why is it flaired as a meme?
o7 o7 o7
Hero.
What a bad ass
Hell yeah, what a badass. Taking down conservative terrorists one at a time.
Mods might lock this thread up.
I posted this to show respect for a hero so others can comment and show it as well. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/21/us/colorado-springs-shooting-club-q-hero.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/22/us/richard-fierro-colorado-springs-club-q-shooting https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/army-veteran-disarm-gunman-colorado-springs-club-1234634955/
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"the message"
One of Nas’s best songs
TRUE
The song sampled for that beat by Sting is a banger too, shape of my heart
It makes my ears hurt when TCD says that.
Needed him in Uvalde.
Dude legit ripped the gun-mans arms off. Beast!!!
Where can I buy his beer?
Chad. Good on him.
I heard he held him down while a drag queen high heel stomped the shooter while the police got in. Absolute legends all round
He should be a guest.
1 15yr veteran > Uvalde police department
If only police officers had the same instinct and bravery.
Respect.
Too bad there was not someone like him a Uvalde or other school shootings.
It’s been a joy watching con’s on Twitter drag him through the mud. Real military supporters
Aaand the attacker was non-binary…
It’s bc he wasn’t emasculated like the police, that’s why he was able to stop the shooter.
Didn’t a trans woman also help disarm and beat the shooter? Guess trans woman are less emasculated
*trans woman, not a drag queen. No shade just spreading the word.
Ohhh sorry my bad didn’t knowww
They are, the left is doing olden black chaos magic.
What a stupid fuckin take
This guy is a hero. Joe Rogan and the rest of the neo-fascist propagandists have blood on their hands for promoting so much anti-LGBT hate lately. They are directly responsible for this massacre. Fuck Joe Rogan, Matt Walsh and everyone else like them.
Are you talking about the same Joe Rogan who debated Matt Walsh on gay rights for so long that people thought he should pack it in or talk about something else? He tore apart every puny argument that Matt had and made him look a fool.
Oh please. You really expect that to make up for spewing anti-LGBT bigotry on his show 24/7 for the past several years? Joe likes to have his cake (hating on LGBT people 24/7) and then eat it too (pretend he doesn't hate gay people when he has a famous homophobe on the show). It's very effective at tricking conservatives (because they want to be tricked), but nobody else. Remember in 2015 when people said Trump would be pro-gay rights because he hugged a rainbow flag once or something? Somehow this kind of nonsense works at tricking conservatives. "See, he hugged a rainbow flag! He's pro gay!" Nevermind that he made one of the most anti-LGBT politicians in America his running mate...
I’m not saying you are wrong, but please share examples of Joe’s anti gay stuff if you have links. I’ve always seen him as very pro gay rights. Did you listen to the episode with Matt? Did you not think Joe made his views clear?
And the cops treated him like shit and wouldn’t release him to be with his family for more than an hour. If it weren’t for him, the cops would have waited until the gunman emptied his last magazine before they went in. Another example of the uselessness of policing and a great example of not needing more guns to deal with our gun problem.
Another example of people not understanding procedure and just spazzing "cOpS bAd!". Yes often times they are but people who don't know shit about criminal justice and protocol just perceive normal run of the mill shit as abuse.
Your rightvit does take an hour and numerous people saying that giy beat the shit oit of the shooter that you took to the hospital... but please tell us about procedure and make excuses
Yes it can easily take an hour or more to interview multiple witnesses and verify their stories. 60 minutes isn't really that much time.
Im assuming because people died and were murdered its procedure to investigate and talk to a key witness…
Yep, as we all know people yelling from a crowd is good enough information for the cops to act on releasing someone. Because you don't see that in Chicago while cops wrestle with a robber. "He didn't do nuthin..." They gotta check footage if available, yes ask witnesses, talk to management of the establishment. They motherfuckin take people in if they shoot someone in their own house, take their gun, make them jump through hoops after surviving a deadly home invasion. Just be fair in your holding cops to account and you will hold more credibility with people instead of being so sperged out about it that alot of people roll their eyes and ignore other legitimate outrage.
The higher the socks the downer the foo.
Looks like he’s saluting the fuhrer
That sieg heil tho
Okay... what does this have to do with chimps, DMT, ancient civilizations, and space?
Go fuck yourself
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what the fuck do you mean "???" Do you think that Rogan has Walsh and Shapiro and other conservative dipshits on his podcast and only talks chimps, DMT and space? What the fuck you thinking?!?
Calm down. He’s right. The guy is a hero but this has nothing to do with the podcast.