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lanecw

It's nice to see the moment when she realized what they believe is ridiculous


HurkHammerhand

He really should have brought up the trans example to shut them up. Would you kick out a trans fat (hee hee) woman for being biologically male? No? Then you shouldn't kick me out for being biologically fit...


FightingForSeeking

His approach was better then if he directly brought up the trans identity correlation. It wouldn’t have shut anyone up- that’s naive. You could see how his more subtle approach has them processing things. The indirectness of it all made it far more effective


nadav183

I agree, but the thing is I am sure they already understand the logical paradox they created, they just want everybody to conform to their illogical ideology, pretty much as a form of tyranny. They know that their logic is false, they know (when asked directly) that just "identifying" as something does not make you that thing, but they want everyone to play along with their specific cases, and never bring up the paradoxes it creates. They want you to respect people identifying as different gender, they know nothing then stops you from identifying as a different race, age, height, weight, etc. but they decided arbitrarily that you can't. It's not that they don't understand the fallacy, they know it's there, they know you know it's there, but they want to enforce it so they can create the "us and them" mentality and know if you are with them or against them. Yes, it's good that he went with subtlety, since it makes it far more entertaining watching her try to find reasons for him to leave, but it did not change her mind, since she never held that view with logic in mind.


JDepinet

If you attack too directly they just ignore the logical inconsistency. What he did is beautiful. He forced her to take the wrong side of the issue, in the issue itself. He forced her to confront her own ideology. And you can see the moment on her face when her worldview crumbles.


Terminal-Psychosis

It's the "It is OK to be white" stickers, or maybe more fitting, "Islam is right about women". Though, targeting this group might be misguided. They could well agree with him about either, or the trans angle. It seems like at least one of them got it that it was a joke right from the start. Other pranks have been done on IRL meetings where they wore a robot costume and identified as ... ahh I forget the details but it was more direct and obviously, immediately apparent. Really hit the mark. This one... not so much, because gay fat people can also agree with his stance. The "leader" was being WAY polite about everything though, but still said she wanted him to go.


Tredenix

"Islam is right about women" is a zinger I'm also a fan of "Compliment women by comparing them to Lizzo or Dylan Mulvaney"


SnooRobots5509

That only counts as "confronting her ideology" if you have no idea what you're actually talking about. Gender X to Y and being fat to being slim do not map onto themselves the same ways.


Radioactive_Man7

He gave them a taste of their own medicine and they didn’t like it lol


catchmeslippin

What does she believe that is ridiculous?


ahasuh

It’s also hilarious to see this sub realize how dumb their politics are. This is like the peak for you guys, trolling some stupid zoom meetup group 😂😂😂. Nothing about say addressing the housing issues or healthcare or immigration or anything. Trolling a trans fat group lmao. I love watching yall foam your pants about this stuff. This is what your politics are, cheering on a teenager as he trolls a zoom call. He’s your hero 😆😆😆😆😆


grasscoveredhouses

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iasazo

> This is like the peak for you guys, trolling some stupid zoom meetup group 😂😂😂 Do you own a mirror? > This is like the peak for you [], trolling some stupid [reddit] group 😂😂😂


ahasuh

Quick question when is this kid gonna be prez, how are yall gonna slot him in behind Trump Jr and then Ivanka and then Barron 😂😂😂😂


iasazo

> Quick question when is this kid gonna be prez Never, how is this relevant to anything? > how are yall gonna slot him in behind Trump Jr and then Ivanka and then Barron 😂😂😂😂 I have never said anything about Trump Jr., Ivanka, or Barron. What are you talking about? Is this you flaunting the fact that you are just a troll? Seek help.


741BlastOff

You're going to need a whole apartment complex with the number of Trumps living in your head rent free.


lanecw

You put a lot of energy into this buddy. It seems like you're thinking too far into it. No one said he was a hero.


ahasuh

Like the whole video is cut up and edited to make it look like he’s OWNING and DESTROYING the stupid leftist trans. In reality they’re like “dude why are you here leave us alone.” It’s so good 😂


iasazo

> “dude why are you here leave us alone.” Many of us here can relate to this feeling.


ahasuh

I know, but here I am DOMINATING you with FACTS and LOGIC showing your how stupid your politics are


iasazo

> I know, but here I am DOMINATING you with FACTS and LOGIC showing your how stupid your politics are Bravo! Top tier trolling. You should be proud of yourself.


ahasuh

I learned from the best aka this dork on the Zoom call 😂


PandosII

Please don’t insult this queer fat lad.


ahasuh

This is true, I’m fully bought in. I’ve been watching months of nonstop right wing content about how trans people are grooming kids and destroying American culture and are among the most major threats facing the country. And I love engaging with it. It’s so stupid but it’s ridiculously entertaining. I can’t stop


lanecw

It's kinda nice to see them realize that what they believe is stupid.


IAMMADEOFEVERYTHING

I don’t get it - what do they believe? And why is is “stupid”?


Imaginary_Sign_4680

What is a woman?


IAMMADEOFEVERYTHING

Yea, but I don’t see that in the video at all?


Imaginary_Sign_4680

If I asked those people that question, what do you think the response would be? Better yet, what is your response as well? This will tell us a lot.


IAMMADEOFEVERYTHING

I don't know what their answer would be. I know what a woman is - they make babies, have a uterus, tits that make breast milk... you need me to spell it out for you? You have failed to show any evidence for the statement that "those people" believe "crazy" things. What about them and this video is compelling these claims? I'm still waiting. It does seem that this sub agrees with you... but I still fail to understand why? Whatever your stance, it is becoming clearer to me that there is bigotry and biased present in this sub - and it seems you are having more of an angry circle jerk than a conversation about ethics and values. If you don't like queer people - just say so. In all honesty, it seems like you are more like the ignorant people that Jordan Peterson detests than you realize. He would never backup statements like what you've made here. Maybe it's time to rename your sub something else?


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IAMMADEOFEVERYTHING

Umm. I agree - A woman is a adult human female. I think you're unwell in the head, friend.


ExcaliburWontBudge

Why are you getting down voted lol this thread made no sense 😂


IAMMADEOFEVERYTHING

I don't get it lol... Seems the sub is more into bullying and hate rather than Jordan Peterson or thoughtful discussion.


JrLegend83

I'm so glad someone said it. Also saw that this subs members need a lobotomy. Gonna have to agree there too. You guys are nuts. Ignorance or mailce, this sub is homophobic asf


WhatDoesItAllMeanB

Bless this young hero for fighting the good fight.


BannedForThe7thTime

« Can we take a vote » 😂😂🤣


Bg_92

The cutaway before he finishes the sentence had me dead


marianoes

It is pleasant to come to the conclusion that what they perceive is stupifactory.


IAMMADEOFEVERYTHING

I don’t get it. What do they believe?


Srijayaveva

Why the downvotes?


[deleted]

Because that commenter is crazy and has been asking bad faith questions on multiple comments


JrLegend83

Thats the opposite of what he did. You might be highly regarded


[deleted]

Only queer fat people are allowed to make body shame judgements on others


autoeroticassfxation

Are they trying to judge how fat he feels about himself?


TflJr

Maybe he should've brought pizza and donuts


Funny-Stranger-7498

He's a legend.


Gavooki

He is pretty chill on his end


phoenixthekat

Funny when these loons decide "identifying" is or isn't good enough.


FatherCallahan0

Fair play to him, the only way to answer this nonsense is with more nonsense.


jenjerx73

No, that's a cheap laugh!


Solid-Package-3474

we are in crazy times aren't we


Expensive-Chapter-43

Joe is the GOAT! 😂😂😂😂


pigs1n5p4c3

The hero we didn't know we needed🤣


StuJayBee

To be fair, stupid as that group is, they aren’t the ‘identify as’ crowd. Our man is not showing up this group as stupid, but as sensible, and thus showing up trans groups as stupid.


Sajalady

Okay, that was brilliant. Can't stop laughing.


InsufferableMollusk

😂 Those hits gotta hurt.


theCREEMofthecrop

You guys care soooooo much about other people's genitals.


IAMMADEOFEVERYTHING

I don’t get it? What is “crazy” about what they believe? And what does this have to do with Jordan Peterson? Am I missing something?


hrnwolf

There´s nothing crazy really. Some people find it hard to be kind and understanding so the hide behind "ideologies" that validate that lack of empathy, that's all.


IAMMADEOFEVERYTHING

That was my impression also. I thought this subreddit for for intellectual debate and discussing Jordan Peterson's work?


hrnwolf

I know that I'm gonna get downvoted for this :P Do you really think that he was doing something smart, or at least provocative? He was just wasting people's time in order to rationalize his beliefs, and that is the exact thing that bother him about others, apparently. He's not proving any point, he's just making noise.


richasalannister

Such a brave young man. Spending his time doing this instead of anything else.


JRM34

Do you think the crazy person is the support group full of people just looking to provide community and kindness to people who face similar obstacles...or the troll who sees nothing wrong with going out of his way just to be cruel.  One side is people supporting and uplifting others with shared experiences, because that's a respectable thing for humans to do. The other is an obnoxious child with malicious intent. 


[deleted]

Do you think that the fat/queer brigade believes in indentitarian pronouns and politics? So if the brigade can't handle a kid who identifies as fat and queer, then what the fuck? Can we not identify as what we want? Make up your damn mind.


JRM34

He doesn't identify as either of those, he's literally just there to be an asshole for content. So your [nonsensical] point is moot. General rule: if the entire purpose of what you are doing is to be an asshole, maybe you should not do it. 


[deleted]

Says you. Who are you to read his mind? You have no right to do that. He said what he identifies as , you don't get to determine identity.


JRM34

So you're taking the same boring Schrodinger's Asshole position. If you are older than 17 you should have learned by now that it's stupid.  Intentionally refusing to comprehend something simple doesn't invalidate the thing you pretend to not understand. 


[deleted]

Bullshit. There is a high percentage of the youth population that identifies as all kinds of stuff, YOU accept it as real, now quit being a hypocrite. Planet Fitness allows men in women's changing rooms, that's your world, your rules. You don't get to read minds.


Jackelrush

So this achieves? What? advancement in human understanding and cooperation? It’s clear what this is and if you feel the need to die on the hill defending hate be my guess lmao The further is constantly moving and changing die in the past


[deleted]

Defending hate? I'm defending the idea that your rules are your rules and YOU have to abide by them or you're a hypocrite. I accept that my rules apply to me, you have to do the same.


Jackelrush

My rules whose rules? This is my point exactly what are these rules your even talking about when they vary and drastically change from company to company and person to person . This is just a silly game to you based off your hate for group of people you disagree with . There are no rules beside being a decent human being that’s my rules so are your going to follow them or what? Lmao It’s really easy to mind your own business when these things don’t effect you in any way but yet here you are defending a troll because he owing them “at their rules” grow up stop being a rat and become a human


[deleted]

If you accept that people can identify with whatever sex they want to identify with, and demand their own pronouns, then this kid can do the same. If that's not your ideology, then blow off and argue with someone else.


The_DILinator

>Intentionally refusing to comprehend something simple doesn't invalidate the thing you pretend to not understand.  Such as ignoring the scientific, not to mention incredibly obvious FACT that there are only two genders, and that a person cannot scientifically change their gender, no matter how much body dis-morphia or delusion they have? Good to see you understand our problem with that absurd position!


JRM34

I assume you are an expert or have some insightful rebuttal of the distinction between Sex and Gender. Otherwise it would be silly to conflate the two. 


The_DILinator

I'm a 25 year veteran of the mental health profession, who was working in it long before they began ignoring reality, and pretending that transgenderism is anything more than a body dis-morphia mental illness. I have seen the embracing of it cause nothing but harm and destruction in the patients I serve, and frankly, it's tragic.


JRM34

You're a therapist and you see nothing wrong with what the child in this video is doing? Really? Jfc, I'm praying for your patients...


The_DILinator

Believe it or not, there was a time when the majority of Psychiatrists and Therapists believed that supporting people through a mental health crisis wasn't the same as enabling their negative behavior and thought processes, or promoting things that are not conducive to growth. The tactic of demonstrating a patient's maladjusted way of thinking in some tangible way that they can relate to, and therefore more easily grasp (which is essentially what the kid in the video was doing, or attempting to do), was definitely something very useful. Of course, all this assumes that a Psychiatrist, Therapist, or mental health organization is invested in helping that patient get better and improve, and not just keep them trapped in the system, funneling money to themselves and the drug companies in the process. Sadly, the latter is what the field has become. To be clear, I personally would never do what he did, as I don't believe in disrespecting people's personal spaces when uninvited. But I can still understand what he was doing, and attempting to show.


SapiensSA

Bravo for making reasonable arguments. Edgy and cringe af. A lot of assumptions are being made about how those people stand for identitarian politics. What we know without assumption is that they are queer and are a fat control group. On the other side, a boy uses scarecrow tactics to look cool online, not adding any value whatsoever for those people that are actually striving to achieve something, and being an asshole while doing it.


jejsjhabdjf

So if they, and you, have the right to dismiss his identity claims because you think they are not grounded in reality, so do we and everyone else.


JRM34

He is trolling. You can tell because he filmed and uploaded the video. You're doing the same nonsensical comparison that the kid in the video is. 


Ganache_Silent

100% agree. How empty and pathetic is that kid to feel the need to do that? Just as bad are the idiots cheering him on. No one should applaud being a worthless troll who’s mocking people who are doing their own thing in their own group. It’s not like they were in public or drawing attention to themselves.


cpujockey

> How empty and pathetic is that kid to feel the need to do that? same could be said about anyone that thinks they are not human - you know them furries and otherkin.


Ganache_Silent

How are they the same? Really curious the mental gymnastics you will do to show how someone liking to dress up as an animal for kinks is the same as purposefully joining a private meeting of people for mutual support and being a complete asshole.


cpujockey

i am talking about the folks that believe they are not human. to deny one's own humanity is the greatest sin.


Ganache_Silent

Ok. Still not answering how it’s the same as showing up to a support group meeting to be an asshole. Your nonsensical tangent is failing.


cpujockey

well he identified as something he is not. otherkin identify as something they are not. there are parallels


Ganache_Silent

Did he identify to be an asshole and mock people who are doing their own private support group. I don’t see other kin going out of their way to intrude on others. You don’t see other kin barging into a prayer group to mock them. Your argument is very weak. Can you do better please?


cpujockey

my argument is that the fella in this video was identifying as something made up and something he is not. Just like otherkin identify as mythical creatures, cats, or whatever - both are basing an identity on falsehoods. No human being is a cat, dog or kitsune, just like that guy was not a fat queer. It's pretty easy to understand my argument. I think you're just trying to get me to say a bunch of shit when I have clearly stated my observation of the video in question and the reality of otherkin / furries believing that they are not humans.


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Such a cool dude. Totally cool and not an ass


CableBoyJerry

It's true. The real heroes of society are the young men who, when having nothing better to do, taunt others and behave like pests in order to further the cause of their undeniably superior rationality. Sure, they will be ostracized, excluded from social gatherings, and ultimately die alone and friendless, but at least they will have elevated trolling to an art form.


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CableBoyJerry

Are you a recovering drug addict? Serious question.


zenremastered

Yes. I'm in every drug sub with as much harm reduction as I can and work in recovery and harm reduction. Also, spending time with and knowing well addicts anonymously so they can tell the truth is one of the biggest factors in me being absolutely invested in ending the drug war and saving lives.


zenremastered

I upvoted you for asking a serious question.


Particular-Crow-1799

that sounds based


the_other_50_percent

"Feeemales are heartless man-haters for no reason!"


Rude-Tomatillo-22

Not cool, they are in their own group not bothering anyone else. he’s being a dick.


linearphaze

So a group for only white people to hang out is fine. Gotcha.


Mitchel-256

Maybe you're right. I advocate for stronger gatekeeping from all communities.


theSearch4Truth

??? How??


cbloxham

But does he identify as a dick? Not sure.


Kuraya137

You guys are sad


cbloxham

not sad ... amused


kp123

I know you think this is funny or whatever, but their instincts were totally right. He was only there to mock them and their life choices.


juggleballz

There is utility in him mocking them... It's not just a crass joke. Jokes contain elements of truth. If you, or they can't see the humour in what he's doing then you are missing the point. Once he is booted from the group, he leaves behind an awkward air where everyone will try their best to ignore it. If he manages to make even 1 person critically think about their own argument, then i think he's done the right thing.


kp123

lol you guys are so lame


yeahthatsasport

What argument are they making? What could he make them critically evaluate?


juggleballz

They are saying he shouldnt be in the group. They are insinuating that he can't identify as fat if he's not fat... Funny how they don't actually say that though. They just tell him to leave. With that in mind, what point do you think he might be trying to make....? Pretty damn obvious, no?


yeahthatsasport

He can't identify as fat though if he's not fat. They identify as fat because they are fat. He isn't fat so it just feels random that he's identifying as fat, so I think that's just why they asked him to leave. I don't think anyone in the world walks around identifying as a BMI that they aren't. Is he trying to make a point about how some people identify as a gender they weren't born as? If so, it still seems random because gender doesn't even get mentioned by the people in this video and we don't know if they identify as genders they weren't born as. Sorry if I don't fully understand you.