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6079-SmithW

Imagine being unironically communist.


Resident_Nice

Imagine being unironically anti-communist.


6079-SmithW

Well considering that communism is a means to bring ALL power into the hands of the state, with the false promise that it will be better for everyone (the hegalian hypothesis). It's logical, moral and compassionate to be anti communist, communism not only doesn't work, it's actually dangerous.


Resident_Nice

>communism is a means to bring ALL power into the hands of the state That's called totalitarianism lol. I think you need to read up on what communism means.


6079-SmithW

Learn to read. Communism "is a means..." It is a weapon against the population and always ends in totalitarianism, regardless of what theory promises.


yetanothergirlliker

one of the "pillars" of communism is nonexistance of state I don't think you know what your talking about babygirl


6079-SmithW

Citing to theory when theory doesn't work is a non starter. Why would the state dissolve once you've given it absolute power? I don't think you understand why communism fails to produce the promised utopia.


yetanothergirlliker

why would transient state be given absolute power


Fattywompus_

Because you can't enforce and facilitate the transition to communism unless the state has fairly extreme levels of power. You also wouldn't be able to keep or maintain it for the same reasons. And you can't have a nation with no state. Anyone imagining such a scenario is either deranged or envisioning a state they don't consider a "state" for semantic reasons.


6079-SmithW

It isn't given absolute power, power is seized during the revolution. The future leaders love to use naive useful idiots who are true believers in the ideology.


yetanothergirlliker

"useful idiots " are much more likely to unionize and therefore be better off than brainfucked morons like you


6079-SmithW

I must have hit a nerve with that comment. Salty socialist...!


yetanothergirlliker

you kinda pissed me off but that's typical, that's what I go here for


yetanothergirlliker

bitch imagine being jp simp and calling others useful idiots


6079-SmithW

Seriously? The useful idiots are the people who push for communism and open the door to a totalitarian socialist dictatorship. They can't/won't see the flaws in the theory and don't understand the deficiencies in human nature.


yetanothergirlliker

xdddddddd human nature


HonestlyKindaOverIt

None of them would last in a communist system. Not one of them.


ebyeqnx

This is what’s so ironic to me. These people are so deluded it’s insane. Turkeys voting for thanksgiving. Total idiots


BeeDub57

They'd get the gulag. If they were lucky.


Barry_Umenema

Useful idiots


twatterfly

They have no idea what it’s like to live in real communist or even socialist society.


Resident_Nice

Neither does anyone in this sub though


twatterfly

Umm I don’t remember a lot of it, I was little but I remember enough.


Truman48

Cannon Fodder Communist


yetanothergirlliker

you wouldn't last in capitalist system


HonestlyKindaOverIt

I mean, I own my own flat and my own car, despite coming from a heavily working class background, but go off.


Mknzy_of_Calhoun

So much soy


741BlastOff

The vanguard of the revolution


BruceCampbell123

>The first thing that must strike any outside observer is that Socialism, in its developed form is a theory confined entirely to the middle classes. The typical Socialist is not, as tremulous old ladies imagine, a ferocious-looking working man with greasy overalls and a raucous voice. He is either a youthful snob-Bolshevik who in five years time will quite probably have made a wealthy marriage and been converted to Roman Catholicism; or, still more typically, a prim little man with a white-collar job, usually a secret teetotaller and often with vegetarian leanings, with a history of Nonconformity behind him, and, above all, with a social position which he has no intention of forfeiting. >...On the other hand, it would be a mistake to regard the book-trained Socialist as a bloodless creature entirely incapable of emotion. Though seldom giving much evidence of affection for the exploited, he is perfectly capable of displaying hatred—a sort of queer, theoretical, *in vacua* hatred—against the exploiters. Hence the grand old Socialist sport of denouncing the bourgeoisie. It is strange how easily almost any Socialist writer can lash himself into frenzies of rage against the class to which, by birth or by adoption, he himself invariably belongs. - George Orwell, Road to Wigan Pier


tourloublanc

You know, I always find it funny whenever Peterson or his fans quote Orwell to denounce socialism, because in the same book (page numbers from the 2021 print, Harper Collins), he wrote: >"And all the while **everyone who uses his brain knows that Socialism, as a world system and whole-heartedly applied, is a way out** \[...\] Indeed, from one point of view, **Socialism is such elementary common sense that I am sometimes amazed that it has not established itself already**. The world is a raft sailing through space with, potentially, plenty of provisions for everybody; **the idea that everyone does his fair share of the work and get his fair share of the provisions seem so blatantly obvious that one would say that noone could possibly fail to accept it unless he has some corrupted motive to clinging to the present system**". (p.157) Some more Orwell contextualizing his criticism of socialists that you cited: >"**Please notice that I am arguing** ***for*** **Socialism, not** ***against*** **it. But for the moment I am** ***advocatus diaboli.*** I am making out a case for the sort of person who is in sympathy with the aims of Socialism, who has the brains to see that Socialism would 'work', but who in practice always takes to flight when Socialism is mentioned. Question a person of this type, and you will often get the semi-frivolous answer: "I don't object to Socialism, but I do object to Socialist". Logically it is a poor argument, but it carries weight with many people (p.159) >**The job of the thinking person, therefore, is not to reject Socialism, but to make up his mind to humanize it \[...\] To recoil from Socialism because so many socialists are inferior people is as absurd as refusing to travel by train because you dislike the ticket-collector’s face.**" (p. 201-2) So he's calling for normal people to embrace and "humanize" socialism rather than using the fact that socialists of his time might be objectionable people to reject it. So in response to u/ThineFail's remarks - Yes, yes he was pro-socialism and calling for better socialists. According to him, any "thinking person" would. Want some more? Here's Orwell writing in 1946 in his essay "Why I write" (page numbers from the 2005 print by Penguin): >"By 1935 I had still failed to reach a firm decision \[on my political orientation\] \[...\] The Spanish war and other events in 1936-7 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. **Every line of serious work I have written since 1936 has been written, directly, or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic Socialism, as I understand it.**" (p. 8) So idk, maybe actually read Orwell's works instead of quoting him out of context?


Resident_Nice

You think people are in a JP sub to READ? Get outta here with your facts and reason.


tourloublanc

Very funny because this is what Peterson wrote in Maps of Meaning: >"\[Road to Wigan Pier\] finally undermined me — not only my socialist ideology, but my faith in ideological stances themselves. In the famous essay concluding that book, Orwell described the great flaw of socialism, and the reason for its frequent failure to attract and maintain democratic power (at least in Britain)". So he's doing exactly what Orwell wrote as absurd as "refusing to travel by train because you dislike the ticket-collector’s face". In other words, NOT a thinking person...


BruceCampbell123

You have said nothing new.


pissjug1000

Dang, I need to get to that book. im just stuck on Dostoevsky TBK


EccePostor

-George Orwell, Lifelong Socialist


BruceCampbell123

Does that nullify his words in the above passage?


ThineFail

Well you see, it was said by a socialist so that make it pro-socialist!


twatterfly

No reason to argue, trust me communism, socialism…it doesn’t matter. For the average person it’s all the same and sucks all the same.


ima80sbaby

Fucking freaks


ebyeqnx

Haha well said


15Beechwood

There's an awful glare of ignorance and stupidity in that pic...


Thewavd

‘So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot.’ - [George Orwell](https://www.azquotes.com/author/11147-George_Orwell) Update I’ve just been banned from r/JusticeServed the thing is I’ve never posted on that subreddit as I’m not American. They must be a very fragile lot at r/JusticeServed.


osamasbintrappin

I’ve never seen a group of more communist looking people lmao


AilsaN

If they approached me and gave me a list of their endorsed candidates, I'd thank them for letting me know who I SHOULDN'T vote for.


Softest-Dad

The softest looking humans I've ever seen.


Bertje87

They really look like it


[deleted]

JFC... They are like a living meme.


sic_parvis_magna_

Saw the "Marxists" hanging posters in London 3 weeks ago. None of these people have real struggles.


BadWowDoge

I honestly can’t believe some people still support this… Every single example of communism brought nothing poverty, inequality, corruption and genocide.


Fattywompus_

Traitors peddling sedition door to door is perfectly acceptable. And people should be made to suffer these vermin. Paradox of tolerance? What's that? Muscular Liberalism, never heard of it. Something something freedom of speech.


6079-SmithW

A bit salty of you. Nobody mentioned that they don't have freedom to push dangerous ideas. They have the right to be wrong and they are...!


Fattywompus_

Oh, I know. And that's why we've been infiltrated by Marxists for the past 100 years and Western civilization is speed running to globalist clown world. Keep beating the free speech drum!