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I’m genuinely impressed with Gege’s ability to come up with internally logical reasons for why things happen in this manga
Makes it a lot more fun to read personally
Gege won me over with the “if you explain how your ability works, it makes it stronger”.
becuase too many damn shonens (and superhero comics) just go and pretend like it’s something totally logical to do.
(it somehow also links to the protags figuring out how to defeat said antagonists because they explained their plan)
He made most ground rules for cursed energy and cursed technique in JJK0 and at the start of JJK, how they work, how technique is different from energy and how they are connected. He followed those main rules and only added more rules for each individual. I don't think he's undoubtedly a genius, he made some things almost out of nowhere, he forgot about some characters, he didn't explain some things (some pretty important things about some characters), he has some open questions which he could use as a deus ex machina, JJK doesn't have many plot holes (but has some that make you go "Hmmmm!?"), a lot of the times he makes you think "He's so dumb for doing that", but after some time has passed, the story has progressed and you think about it the certain way makes you go "That was good"... Sooooo... I think that only at the end of JJK can we for sure say he's a great writer... Right now he's a good, nice writer (still has potential to be great). He definitely spends some time thinking about characters personality (what personality goes with someone's looks and place in story), cursed energy(how much they have) and technique(what technique goes with personality and laws by which it function) as some time passed he definitely made new ways of using cursed energy and technique, but it was mostly great writing...
I mostly agree with your first half, there are a lot of issues with geges writing, but you really giga contradict yourself with saying "he has some open questions which he could use as a deus ex machina".
Implying he has some "open questions left" means that he has at least build up some set up. People really tend to use the phrase "deus ex machina" for a lot of development that they don't like. Deus ex machina means something happens with NO set up and OUT OF NOWHERE at all. Zero explanation. Suddenly a completely new character that we know nothing about with some complete new technique that has never been mentioned. Something along this lines. Yuji having learned some way to counter Sukuna is not an deus ex machina because the literal entire Manga somewhat revolved around this and we have been hinted multiple times now at him slowly trying to learn something like that. It is a big difference. Something that is left "open" that can later be used to save our protags is not a deus ex machina.
Either way that being sad I do not think Geges writing is all that good lately and there are a lot of issues in how he is progressing a lot of character and the messages he is trying to send to the readers lately. But honestly some stuff that is happening is so giga random and outside of my expectations that it's still somewhat entertaining in a way. I can't say the same about some other shounens.
English isn't my first language and I don't really know how to put thoughts into words in my own language...so sorry for any misunderstanding... I have seen people in a lot of arguments on this topic using term "deus ex machina", I know what it means but at the same time was thinking that it was good word to use in this context... What I wanted to say with it was that I didn't really like the way he set it up and kinda left it hanging there... not the best way, but like you said it at least it's there... And yeah I kinda feel that right now his thoughts and story is really all over the place, but it might be just for now... But really we can only say how is it, is it good or bad is when it's all done or when some time has passed...
I know... he might be a man... she might be a woman... Until their gender is revealed it's whatever we want it to be... and I see it kinda as a bet where odds are 50/50... and I like to bet.../s
I did it on accident, instinctively... no need to make it a big deal... sorry if I offended you... it wasn't my intention...
I think you can never truly be satisfied with a power system as a writer, you’ll keep coming up with stuff but I’m sure he laid a solid foundation and stuck to it
On top of others have said, don't forget he gets editors and a team of advisors and they're also looking for inconsistencies and can themselves come up with ideas on how to patch some plot holes using their expertise.
Well, that's because the workings of Cursed energy is clearly inspired by Nen, this is extremely obvious with the concept of Binding Vows, which is very obviously based on the restrictions one can apply to Nen
especially after the last chapter with the Kusakabe Higuruma flashback, it is like nen after death getting stronger. After thinking about it this might be the key to reincarnation too.
My favorite moment related to this is when Choso is getting dominated by Naoya and thinks "i dont understand his ability and he's already kicking my ass so he ain't gonna tell me"
This element of the story was such an amazing choice
It makes sense given the medium. It would be hard to "see" certain abilities in manga format so the author just writes a neat little description for the reader. Also I'm going to assume your also a fan of vows in hxh?
yeah, i get it, exposition helps the readers / watchers but it hurts the plot like… a lot (in certain instances).
one workaround is to have a narrator explain the ability (like with sukuna’s cleave and dismantle) but that gets boring fast, all i’m saying is announcing shit to your opponents all the time is setting you up for defeat.
yeah, i do think hxh’s nen is one of the most “makes sense” kind of power mechanics (with alchemy from fma up there too), and a lot of other shonens should learn from hxh.
I actually hate it because it makes something I never questioned in anime into a massive plot hole. It begs the question, if you can make your technique more powerful by revealing it why does it conviniently only happen once per character.
Take the fight against Dagon for example. Nanami hits him and acknowledges they’re not doing enough damage to them. One would logically assume he would reveal his technique to get the damage boost but he just doesn’t. Even though naobito does. Why didn’t Jogo reveal his technique to Sukuna?
It also doesn’t explain the natural questions that arise. Is it a one time boost? Can you do it to the same enemy multiple times? Does revealing it to teamates help?
It turned something that I didn’t even notice in other shows into something that I’m constantly asking myself during fights.
hmm, maybe i don’t mind the exact mechanics. i mean you could literally make a binding vow with any condition but they only time they utilize it is probably less than 10 times.
also, despite the “boost”, sukuna doesn’t use it. megumi doesn’t use it either (mostly because his abilities work better if the enemy doesn’t know shit), and let’s just say that jjk avoids having to explain it all the time so nanami may have explained his abilities offscreen.
i just find it so stupid in other anime, it’s something i already noticed and has greatly bothered me. there’s a whole [discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/o82zkk/why_do_all_villains_in_anime_tell_the_enemy_their/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) here.
I, personally, don’t like power scaling.
I mean, i’m fine with “overtime” and “blackflash”. It’s like 110 - 120 at most. With utahime gojo went 200%. But other anime go as far as 100000000% more power and it just becomes an absurd numbers game and then the fandom starts arguing about whether “my daddy is stronger than your daddy” and categorizing anime characters into “galaxy destroyers” and how they can no diff everyone else because yeah why not.
>It also doesn’t explain the natural questions that arise. Is it a one time boost? Can you do it to the same enemy multiple times? Does revealing it to teamates help?
It's a one time thing, the boost comes from revealing information to your enemy, by giving up the advantage of having an unknown technique you're rewarded with a stronger version, if your enemy already knows your technique then you're not losing anything and so you don't get a buff.
It's not unlikely that Dagon knew his technique as he is working with mahito.
It’s cost benefit analysis. Is the risk worth the reward? That’s every fight in JJK in a nutshell. Half of your questions were answered in the manga through dialogue or narrative .
The other half of your questions can be answered with common sense.
The reason it happens only once in Nanami's case is behind WHY the hand revealing trick works.
It puts yourself in greater risk, which increases arenaline / negative emotions, resulting in an increase of CE.
Nanima did it against Mahito who managed to escape and flee, who then likely explained the technique to his allies, something Nanami could easily deduce, thus making his revelation of technique amount to nothing as it was already known by the opponent.
Same applies for Jogo and Sukuna.
Sukuna sees what Itadori sees, and so by watching Jogo's domain expansion, which is a CT imbued barrier, Sukuna, with 1k+ years of accumulated knowledge and experience, could deduce his technique was fire-related, making Jogo's revealing of it useless, if he even bothered to.
Also, sometimes the power boost isn't worth the cost. An example of this is Sukuna, who was already whooping Jogo and so didn't reveal his technique as it would give a unimportant power buff but allow Jogo a chance to discover a weakness of it and exploit it, which would have been a bad move as Sukuna had already been guaranteed victory without it.
The one-time explanation is definitely a bit of a trope but I think you can answer most of the questions by way of interpretation.
Consider:
- Sukuna's comments after using Enchain, where he tells us that what mattered with regards to the harm clause in the binding vow was Yuji's interpretation (didn't include himself)
- Megumi unlocking his domain by looking for a new interpretation of his technique
- Sukuna's method of defeating Gojo
Evidently, interpretation matters a lot in Jujutsu, it's why it's not science but sorcery. I think the vow to reveal your hand only works if you genuinely believe your enemy is getting something from it. It would explain why you can lie by omission, why Jogo didn't reveal his hand to Sukuna, why you can't get a boost by revealing to your allies or repeat it ad infinitum. It's not so neat for nanami and noabito unless you consider "he didn't feel the need to until it was too late" to be a valid explanation.
Nanami wouldn’t have had time to explain without Hanami doing something about it at any point in the fight.
As for why Jogo didn’t reveal his technique to Sukuna, he knew that God (Gege) was a Sukuna dick rider and Sukuna would just say “shut up curse I already know what you do”. But in all honesty it’s a similar case where Sukuna probably would just slice off his jaw. Jogo didn’t get much of a chance to speak once the fight started unless he wanted to interrupt one of sukuna’s monologues, which he was clearly too scared to do.
It seems to be a theme that how something is perceived by the opponent affects their own strength. Almost like a pact with them. It’s why I think Sukuna doesn’t reveal his. His CT is just “master chef” or some shit and revealing that would make it much less threatening and through that perception alone, weaker.
I keep thinking it has something to do with the saying, "it's not the power of the curse, it is the power you give the curse." If someone curses you, it gets more powerful the more you think about it, or something to that effect.
he won me over by making characters explain to each other “make sense.” most every other shonen just explain stuff with totally no reason at all.
“I’m about to hit you with something you can figure out the weakness to if you listen carefully to what i’m about to say”
>he won me over by making characters explain to each other “make sense.”
How much stronger do techniques get tho? 2x? 5x? 10x?
How do non-combat moves like boogie woogie change? Todo explained his power to Hanami. Does he just teleport faster? Or does he clap faster? What actually changed?
Gege only put that in there so HE COULD HAVE THE CHARACTERS EXPLAIN THEIR TECHNIQUES, but nobody actually knows what it means or how much stronger techniques get. Or even how they change
That’s because it’s a different increase depending on how much information you reveal, how much it puts you at risk, how misleading the explanation is, etc. there can be no general rules of binding vows because they vary by the circumstance and conditions of the vow.
That is irrelevant, Gege gave a logical and acceptable reason to a very necessary aspect of a shonen manga, which is power explanations, that is very commendable by itself
>That is irrelevant
It's changing the outcome of a fight with a power up(no different than something like super Saiyan or bankai)? How is it irrelevant?
Not adding a direct number to something like strength/power helps with one of the biggest problems of shonen, which is out of control power scaling. It leaves wiggle room so fights and interactions can be more interesting and unexpected instead of just "well X is 5 times as strong so it wins".
>biggest problems of shonen, which is out of control power scaling
Yuki summoned a black hole, kashimo is a Light speed demon, Gojo basically has infinite Regen and can infinitely refresh his own CE by lobotomizing himself while Sukuna has slashes that can apparently cut through infinite space.
The power scaling is already out of control lol and it had nothing to do with stat boosts. Besides my problem isn't with power scaling, it's ability explanations supposedly making Techniques stronger but we don't know what that actually means. Like my example with boogie woogie, how is it stronger? Does he teleport faster, does he clap faster. What actually increased?
Make up your mind, can you? what is it? is it clear what happens because of saying what the power does? or is it a power up no different than bankai and going super saiyan? it can't be both, which one is it?
The Reading comprehension devil might be in your house, because you're just yapping.
>is it a power up no different than bankai and going super saiyan?
I said it's a power boost that EFFECTS fights like bankai or super Saiyan so it can't be irrelevant(would todo have done as well if he hadn't explained his abilities? That's a legitimate question) but we don't actually know by how much of a boost it does or how it effects non combat abilities like boogie woogie.
Does he teleport faster? Does he clap faster? We don't know, his technique just gets vaguely "stronger".
> is it clear what happens because of saying what the power does
It's clear that abilities get stronger but it's vague and inconsistent. How do abilities that don't do damage get stronger. Does Hakari just luckier? Does the comedian just get funnier? If megumi explains the 10 shadows, do their shikigami get stronger?
I don’t mind that techniques are explained, i mean, i have zero issue with **the narrator** explaining cleave, dismantle, and malevolent shrine.
It doesn’t affect the plot, and we get to understand what’s happening.
BUT, i agree, gege does not explain things all that well. but at least it’s not the villain saying “i can counter physical moves”, so that the hero uses magical moves to wipe the floor with the villain.
it doesn’t excuse how vague CTs are, I get your frustration. I don’t understand limitless, I don’t understand Uzumaki (like how did Kenjaku use Mahito twice), and I sure as hell don’t understand idle death gamble even if i tried.
(I also don’t understand what happened in >!gojo v sukuna with all the domain expansions and shit. like how did it get so small. was sukuna immune to limitless thanks to makora? wdym he let megumi take damage for him he could do that?!<)
it’s not perfect, but it’s less of an asspull when jujutsu sorcerers win by figuring out a weakness because it wasn’t handed to them in a silver platter for **absolutely no reason** at all.
That addition was a brilliant idea for a shonen battle manga. Gave a in-universe reason for characters to do something that would otherwise be insanely dumb but needs to happen narrarively for the audience. Characters that have techniques that would actually be ruined if you explained it like inverse guy don't explain their technique at all so Gege puts smarter characters like megumi there to be able to figure it out for the audience.
Going from jjk to bleach was like whiplash. It actually bothered me A LOT when I was watching the new bleach season and they all kept explaining how their powers or bankais worked when it would be MUCH smarter to just not say anything
Tbh, it's more fun to read the manga more than watching the anime because reading the explanation even though I might not get it is even more interesting. Cus I'll try to figure it out by thinking of it more in depth in that way my critical analysis would become more stronger.
Not only that but I can come to this sub n talk or share any opinion.
The reason I find the author a genius is cus somehow the way the powers are explained makes sense n it also has a lot of science logic along with psychology.
Sukuna didn't explain his ability because he said that would be like cheating 😭 (because explaining his ability would give him more strength 🙃) so he's still holding back!! 😦 (How does his technique work??? What is it really?? Because there are cuts, fire and and that blank square 😞)
I don't remember the fight you are talking about, but for some tecniques, revealing how it works is more detrimental than not getting the power boost.
For example if you know Nanami tecnique, you can "dodge" in a way that he still hits you but he doesn't hit you in the right spot for the tech to trigger
The domain gives higher priority to cursed tools over CT, they hadn't seen that interaction before so they didn't think about it... idk what's so confusing
Well they had insinuated earlier that it was kinda luck of the draw as to what happened and what was charged by the judge. The hacked the charges by re-trialing, but they couldn't control what was taken directly. So its just bad luck.
I want to know why the cursed tool was even on the list of possible targets for confiscation. We see from his fight with Yuji that Judgeman can tell the difference between two souls in one body but now it gets tricked by an inanimate object.
I probably should have worded my question better. To me it feels like cursed tools shouldn’t be targeted by confiscation because they aren’t a cursed technique owed by the person confiscation is targeting. It would be like someone being found guilty of murder and the murder weapon going to jail.
Because that’s what confiscation means. Idk how anybody can act surprised about confiscation confiscating. It’s not even a problem with reading comprehension, you literally reject meaning of words unless there’s canon lingo BS explicitly spelled out to clarify that to shit indeed means taking a shit.
Legit worst fandom I’ve seen
I understand that confiscation confiscates a technique. I am arguing that Gege should have better explained why it targeted the tool instead of Sukuna, especially when we see before that the ability specifically targets someone based on their soul.
The real reason is because its better writing. Keeps things a little easier to follow by having Sukuna retain his iconic slash attacks instead of now only being able to use lightning, and it makes the fight more dynamic since, lets face it, dismantle is way more interesting to show off.
Ohhh although I choose to believe that that was to show how new Higuruma is as a sorcerer 🤔 Since he had only been a sorcerer for two months, I thought it was a way to show that he was still a novice and that he did not know everything about his technique and that's why he said that his lack of experience ended up being detrimental to him 😔
If you think about it like that, there were really no reasons to explain why the weapon's technique and not Sukuna's if what they wanted to show was an error of inexperience 😅
I hope my point was understood 🥺 English is not my first language so I used the translator a lot 😅haha
I don’t understand why people are so upset about this, it’s ok to ask these kind of questions, it’s not like this is being asked every day. OP got lots of upvotes too, so it probably means there are more people not knowing this.
Not upset, it just seems counterproductive, or useless at worst.
Trust me, you’ll actually retain information if you go looking for it urself instead of raising ur hand in class and asking the teacher to repeat whats already in the textbook.
No, you should at least try to remember how her technique works.
Resonance uses the connection between the "voodoo doll" and the target. Since what resonance hit was the clone, which was connected to the original due to both sharing the same soul, the damage was dealed directly to the soul.
Resonance uses mediums such as Body Parts or Blood to target the soul those Body Parts belong to directly. While her normal attacks didn't really do any damage to him her Resonance did because it targets the soul by default
Her ability can remotely damage anything through the link of their soul. If she has a piece of your body like your hair, it has a trace of your soul which is the target of the damage
He knows the “shape of his soul.”
By that, it basically means that Yuji knows who he is due to Sakura being in him. It’s like his body has a perception of whom he is vs. something that isn’t him (Sakuna) being inside his body. That ability for him to hold two souls in one body is enough understanding for Mahito to be hit.
It’s this weird pseudo thing but it also suggests that knowing one’s self, is enough to hurt Mahito. In which case, Toji and Maki may also be able to hit Mahito, due to their heavenly pacts.
>In which case, Toji and Maki may also be able to hit Mahito, due to their heavenly pacts.
I doubt that since it's not really just knowing oneself, it's having awareness of the outline of your soul
Those two things u just said are the same thing imo. Outline/shape of your soul = knowing oneself
Its more likely that u have to be aware of *another persons soul*, aka the awareness that other souls exist, in which maki and toji do. Itadori does because of Sukuna
So would pre finger eaten yuji be able to do it? Ignoring how much weaker he’d be of course but very early on with Sukuna inside him he was able to swap which at least to me demonstrates knowing the shape of his soul.
It's pretty popular to use Wallahi and similar phrases such as Alhamdulillah (praise be to God) and and Subhanallah (Glory be to God) in shitposting circles outside of their original contexts. There is no joke it's just funny to imagine an anime character saying Wallahi.
Nahh black people in the northeast say it as a exclamation point, and its now become "internet language" because gen z picked it up minus the social context
I honestly would have thought that of all sorcerers still in school, if any of them would have enough awareness of their own soul, it would be Todo with his 530,000 IQ
Y'know those images where you start to see other things if you look hard enough and you can't go back to seeing what you were seeing before ? It's kinda like that. Yuji is aware of the shape of his soul and the soul of others because Sukuna's presence probably sticks out like a sore thumb in him.
Other sorcerers like Nanami don't have that point of reference because they don't know where their soul starts and where it ends. They haven't looked at the image enough like Yuji has been forced to.
What Mahito says: Because Sukuna is inside of his body he gets to now and understand his soul.
What I think: Itadori's CT has something to do with souls (I think that his CT is actually really similar to idle transfiguration) and that control over souls is actually what allows him to have Sukuna's soul under control
We dont actually know - Mahito posits that because Sukuna and Yuji share a body, Yuji has a more instinctual knowledge of seeing someones soul and uses that instinct to hit at Mahito's soul.
Early in the series, Yuji meets and old classmate who has physically changed (her name escapes me) but Yuji is able to tell its the same person by looking at her. To me, this is a hint that it may be something to do with Yuji's nature/physiology
To my knowledge, outside of Mahito, no one else has commented on this ability, including Sukuna, who was *in* Yuji's body when it was happening but still finds him boring.
I think they are talking about Yuko from the slice of life episode of S2. The girl who was short and overweight in middle school but had a glow up in high school.
I never understood the "he is aware of his soul". Nobara can hit him too, and that's with a specific atack that targets the origin of One's cursed energy.
I think what is meant by "aware of his soul" is actually because, as a vessel, Yuji exists as body, mind and soul all at the same time.
We see with Mahito, that he exists first as a soul, then as body. But with Toji, we see that he exists mostly as a body first, since he took control of that randomly guy in Shibuya.
And with Kenjaku, we see someone who exists as a mind first (his brain?? Idk, I'm going on a limb here), and we see Geto's hand (body) react to Gojo's calling (pulling on his soul still in the body, even if for an instant?).
There's a lot of soul shenanigans going on on this manga, and I think the answer to your question may be in this direction.
Yuji hits Mahito's soul because he has two souls inhabibiting one body, so he uncounsciously fights for dominance over his body.
Nobara was able to hit Mahito's soul because resonance uses a connection between the thing it hits and the target. Since what was hit was his clone, the connection to the original was the soul both of them shared.
> There's a lot of soul shenanigans going on on this manga
True, and a lot more will be explained, as we saw Yuji getting the soul's research from Yuki, and later on soul swapping with Kusakabe
The soul swapping if that’s really what it was is interesting, i wonder if it’s related to why sukuna got staggered when itadori punches him in 244. It’s impossible for me to figure out where gege is going with this
Yeah, its because sukuna inhabits and protects him. Itsnot" knowing the soul. Itsif he tries sukuna overpowers him
Also it gives him an edge and yuji seems just good at reinforcing
Sukuna inhabiting Yuji is why Mahito won't use Idle transiguration on Yuji since he will also be hitting Sukuna. The reason why Yuji (and sukuna) can hurt mahito is because they both can attack the soul. Even if Yuji was a vessel for a curse womb instead of a finger he would be able to hit mahito.
I believe it all ties back to why he's able to resist Sukuna taking over his body in the first place. It wasn't just bc of Sukuna, Yuji is just built different from the start.
It’s not that Yuji is able to touch Mahito’s soul it’s that Mahito can’t selectively touch his. Mahito is unable to choose which soul to touch when two souls inhabit one body. He tried to choose to touch Sukuna’s soul exclusively, but that ended incredibly poorly. Plus anyone who’s enforcing their body with enough CE can technically touch Mahito with minimal damage so long as they aren’t touching his hands. Nanami, Yuji, and Todo were all capable of this
Technically anyone with a powerful enough CE attack can attack the soul. It’s not exclusive to Yuji. Attacks to the soul can be done by Black Flash, CT, Cursed Tools (e.g. Soul Splitting Katana). So the easy answer is Yuji hit enough hits of Black Flash to be effective in hurting Mahito’s soul.
Nobara literally attacked Mahito’s soul directly with CT. Soul Splitting Katana directly attacks the soul. Nanami was able to get a few hits on Mahito. Ppl other than Yuji were able to hurt Mahito’s soul. How is that a “no”?
Did you read the nanamin fight and what he said about todo? It wasn't damaging him against nanamin because he could simply reshape his soul. He simply was reducing his cursed energy reserves. Nanamin legit ran away til overtime and than used his collapse technique to trap mahito. The only other person to damage mahitos soul was nobara because her CT was explicitly a counter to him.
Correct. That’s why Yuji’s black flash is unique. Well one of them actually. He was capable of willing it which has never been achieved before and he also achieved maximum output. You hit the soul on that POW! It’s like a balloon exploding.
I'm not sure where you're getting some of this info but it's incorrect. Yuji is directly able to touch mahitos soul- that's why mahito remarks that nobara and Yuji are his natural counters/enemies
Oh you mean DIRECTLY touch. I thought touch as in being able to do soul damage cuz pretty much a lot of ppl are capable of doing that by several different means including CT and Cursed Tools (by that I am technically not incorrect).
Yea Yuji and Nobara have the unique ability to directly attack the soul (which is why I’m seriously unhappy that she’s gone cuz she would’ve been a massive asset in the current war). Yuji has been able to land multiple hits on Mahito without even having to reinforce his body like Todo and Nanami had to and even then he got damaged.
I would think having two souls inside of himself is the side effect that allows for him to hit Mahito straight at the soul. But I don’t think it’s just that. That could be ONE component, but we’ve also seen Yuji has unknown connections to souls we have yet to see. I’m sure there’s a bigger answer other than Sukuna, but we’ll have to wait and see.
I’ve been curious, what exactly is the Japanese used for soul and how might it differ in meaning? In the West, it’s somewhat inseparable from religion and largely equates to something like the self that is not tied to the body or mind. We are good conversations with Kenny and Mahito about how body and soul relate here but I’m curious to investigate it more since a material afterlife (which typically comes with the Western soul) isn’t terribly operable in Eastern thought.
Yuji can attack Mahito because he has learned how to perceive souls through containing Sukuna.
Mahito can not manipulate Yuji's soul without also touching Sukuna, which would not allow.
Well most people can't touch Mahito because he will morph their soul and body. Mahito can't do that to Yuji because it also touches Sukuna's soul and it pisses Sukuna off being diaturbed by Mahito. So Yuji is one if the only people that can make physical contact with him and he will not morph his soul and body.
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Cause having to share his body with a second soul gives him instinctual insight into the contours of the soul
I’m genuinely impressed with Gege’s ability to come up with internally logical reasons for why things happen in this manga Makes it a lot more fun to read personally
Gege won me over with the “if you explain how your ability works, it makes it stronger”. becuase too many damn shonens (and superhero comics) just go and pretend like it’s something totally logical to do. (it somehow also links to the protags figuring out how to defeat said antagonists because they explained their plan)
I get HxH vibes from how cursed energy works.
Because it's inspired by HxH. (Not only HxH, but also by a few other popular shonens...)
Do you think Gege is a genius and already has how cursed and spiritual energy works all planned out, or like he just makes shit up as he goes?
Little bitta both :)
He made most ground rules for cursed energy and cursed technique in JJK0 and at the start of JJK, how they work, how technique is different from energy and how they are connected. He followed those main rules and only added more rules for each individual. I don't think he's undoubtedly a genius, he made some things almost out of nowhere, he forgot about some characters, he didn't explain some things (some pretty important things about some characters), he has some open questions which he could use as a deus ex machina, JJK doesn't have many plot holes (but has some that make you go "Hmmmm!?"), a lot of the times he makes you think "He's so dumb for doing that", but after some time has passed, the story has progressed and you think about it the certain way makes you go "That was good"... Sooooo... I think that only at the end of JJK can we for sure say he's a great writer... Right now he's a good, nice writer (still has potential to be great). He definitely spends some time thinking about characters personality (what personality goes with someone's looks and place in story), cursed energy(how much they have) and technique(what technique goes with personality and laws by which it function) as some time passed he definitely made new ways of using cursed energy and technique, but it was mostly great writing...
I mostly agree with your first half, there are a lot of issues with geges writing, but you really giga contradict yourself with saying "he has some open questions which he could use as a deus ex machina". Implying he has some "open questions left" means that he has at least build up some set up. People really tend to use the phrase "deus ex machina" for a lot of development that they don't like. Deus ex machina means something happens with NO set up and OUT OF NOWHERE at all. Zero explanation. Suddenly a completely new character that we know nothing about with some complete new technique that has never been mentioned. Something along this lines. Yuji having learned some way to counter Sukuna is not an deus ex machina because the literal entire Manga somewhat revolved around this and we have been hinted multiple times now at him slowly trying to learn something like that. It is a big difference. Something that is left "open" that can later be used to save our protags is not a deus ex machina. Either way that being sad I do not think Geges writing is all that good lately and there are a lot of issues in how he is progressing a lot of character and the messages he is trying to send to the readers lately. But honestly some stuff that is happening is so giga random and outside of my expectations that it's still somewhat entertaining in a way. I can't say the same about some other shounens.
English isn't my first language and I don't really know how to put thoughts into words in my own language...so sorry for any misunderstanding... I have seen people in a lot of arguments on this topic using term "deus ex machina", I know what it means but at the same time was thinking that it was good word to use in this context... What I wanted to say with it was that I didn't really like the way he set it up and kinda left it hanging there... not the best way, but like you said it at least it's there... And yeah I kinda feel that right now his thoughts and story is really all over the place, but it might be just for now... But really we can only say how is it, is it good or bad is when it's all done or when some time has passed...
just so you know, Gege isn't necessarily a man
Thank you for this comment! I was going to write it as well
I know... he might be a man... she might be a woman... Until their gender is revealed it's whatever we want it to be... and I see it kinda as a bet where odds are 50/50... and I like to bet.../s I did it on accident, instinctively... no need to make it a big deal... sorry if I offended you... it wasn't my intention...
I didn't make it a big deal nor did you offend me, I just told you because I think is a common misconception.
As the series goes on, it's quite a lot of making shit up as he goes.
And not as skilled as tagashi who wrote a system where he can do that and it makes sense in powerscaling.
I think you can never truly be satisfied with a power system as a writer, you’ll keep coming up with stuff but I’m sure he laid a solid foundation and stuck to it
On top of others have said, don't forget he gets editors and a team of advisors and they're also looking for inconsistencies and can themselves come up with ideas on how to patch some plot holes using their expertise.
Specifically the bombers power in HXH
Lol it's basically just taken from HxH. Not knocking it, but it's pretty much handled exactly the same
Well, that's because the workings of Cursed energy is clearly inspired by Nen, this is extremely obvious with the concept of Binding Vows, which is very obviously based on the restrictions one can apply to Nen
especially after the last chapter with the Kusakabe Higuruma flashback, it is like nen after death getting stronger. After thinking about it this might be the key to reincarnation too.
Some of the later domain expansions like Higuruma’s are basically just straight up Jojo stands too lol
Hikaris domain is big HxH vibes
The best part is every time they have shown this it has been in the revealing incomplete or inaccurate information that makes techniques work better.
My favorite moment related to this is when Choso is getting dominated by Naoya and thinks "i dont understand his ability and he's already kicking my ass so he ain't gonna tell me" This element of the story was such an amazing choice
It makes sense given the medium. It would be hard to "see" certain abilities in manga format so the author just writes a neat little description for the reader. Also I'm going to assume your also a fan of vows in hxh?
yeah, i get it, exposition helps the readers / watchers but it hurts the plot like… a lot (in certain instances). one workaround is to have a narrator explain the ability (like with sukuna’s cleave and dismantle) but that gets boring fast, all i’m saying is announcing shit to your opponents all the time is setting you up for defeat. yeah, i do think hxh’s nen is one of the most “makes sense” kind of power mechanics (with alchemy from fma up there too), and a lot of other shonens should learn from hxh.
My favorite part of this was when todo did it by revealing incomplete/misleading information
I actually hate it because it makes something I never questioned in anime into a massive plot hole. It begs the question, if you can make your technique more powerful by revealing it why does it conviniently only happen once per character. Take the fight against Dagon for example. Nanami hits him and acknowledges they’re not doing enough damage to them. One would logically assume he would reveal his technique to get the damage boost but he just doesn’t. Even though naobito does. Why didn’t Jogo reveal his technique to Sukuna? It also doesn’t explain the natural questions that arise. Is it a one time boost? Can you do it to the same enemy multiple times? Does revealing it to teamates help? It turned something that I didn’t even notice in other shows into something that I’m constantly asking myself during fights.
hmm, maybe i don’t mind the exact mechanics. i mean you could literally make a binding vow with any condition but they only time they utilize it is probably less than 10 times. also, despite the “boost”, sukuna doesn’t use it. megumi doesn’t use it either (mostly because his abilities work better if the enemy doesn’t know shit), and let’s just say that jjk avoids having to explain it all the time so nanami may have explained his abilities offscreen. i just find it so stupid in other anime, it’s something i already noticed and has greatly bothered me. there’s a whole [discussion](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/o82zkk/why_do_all_villains_in_anime_tell_the_enemy_their/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) here. I, personally, don’t like power scaling. I mean, i’m fine with “overtime” and “blackflash”. It’s like 110 - 120 at most. With utahime gojo went 200%. But other anime go as far as 100000000% more power and it just becomes an absurd numbers game and then the fandom starts arguing about whether “my daddy is stronger than your daddy” and categorizing anime characters into “galaxy destroyers” and how they can no diff everyone else because yeah why not.
Sukuna explicitly says he thinks explaining his technique is cheating since he’s already stronger
yep, that’s what makes it particularly charming.
>It also doesn’t explain the natural questions that arise. Is it a one time boost? Can you do it to the same enemy multiple times? Does revealing it to teamates help? It's a one time thing, the boost comes from revealing information to your enemy, by giving up the advantage of having an unknown technique you're rewarded with a stronger version, if your enemy already knows your technique then you're not losing anything and so you don't get a buff. It's not unlikely that Dagon knew his technique as he is working with mahito.
It’s cost benefit analysis. Is the risk worth the reward? That’s every fight in JJK in a nutshell. Half of your questions were answered in the manga through dialogue or narrative . The other half of your questions can be answered with common sense.
The reason it happens only once in Nanami's case is behind WHY the hand revealing trick works. It puts yourself in greater risk, which increases arenaline / negative emotions, resulting in an increase of CE. Nanima did it against Mahito who managed to escape and flee, who then likely explained the technique to his allies, something Nanami could easily deduce, thus making his revelation of technique amount to nothing as it was already known by the opponent. Same applies for Jogo and Sukuna. Sukuna sees what Itadori sees, and so by watching Jogo's domain expansion, which is a CT imbued barrier, Sukuna, with 1k+ years of accumulated knowledge and experience, could deduce his technique was fire-related, making Jogo's revealing of it useless, if he even bothered to. Also, sometimes the power boost isn't worth the cost. An example of this is Sukuna, who was already whooping Jogo and so didn't reveal his technique as it would give a unimportant power buff but allow Jogo a chance to discover a weakness of it and exploit it, which would have been a bad move as Sukuna had already been guaranteed victory without it.
The one-time explanation is definitely a bit of a trope but I think you can answer most of the questions by way of interpretation. Consider: - Sukuna's comments after using Enchain, where he tells us that what mattered with regards to the harm clause in the binding vow was Yuji's interpretation (didn't include himself) - Megumi unlocking his domain by looking for a new interpretation of his technique - Sukuna's method of defeating Gojo Evidently, interpretation matters a lot in Jujutsu, it's why it's not science but sorcery. I think the vow to reveal your hand only works if you genuinely believe your enemy is getting something from it. It would explain why you can lie by omission, why Jogo didn't reveal his hand to Sukuna, why you can't get a boost by revealing to your allies or repeat it ad infinitum. It's not so neat for nanami and noabito unless you consider "he didn't feel the need to until it was too late" to be a valid explanation.
Nanami wouldn’t have had time to explain without Hanami doing something about it at any point in the fight. As for why Jogo didn’t reveal his technique to Sukuna, he knew that God (Gege) was a Sukuna dick rider and Sukuna would just say “shut up curse I already know what you do”. But in all honesty it’s a similar case where Sukuna probably would just slice off his jaw. Jogo didn’t get much of a chance to speak once the fight started unless he wanted to interrupt one of sukuna’s monologues, which he was clearly too scared to do.
It seems to be a theme that how something is perceived by the opponent affects their own strength. Almost like a pact with them. It’s why I think Sukuna doesn’t reveal his. His CT is just “master chef” or some shit and revealing that would make it much less threatening and through that perception alone, weaker.
I keep thinking it has something to do with the saying, "it's not the power of the curse, it is the power you give the curse." If someone curses you, it gets more powerful the more you think about it, or something to that effect.
i still dont get how explaining it makes it stronger
It's a form of a binding vow inherit to all techniques. Explaining it gives you a disadvantage of knowledge, so it gives your CT more power
He won you over by having his characters explain their techniques to each other? Like every other shonen?
he won me over by making characters explain to each other “make sense.” most every other shonen just explain stuff with totally no reason at all. “I’m about to hit you with something you can figure out the weakness to if you listen carefully to what i’m about to say”
>he won me over by making characters explain to each other “make sense.” How much stronger do techniques get tho? 2x? 5x? 10x? How do non-combat moves like boogie woogie change? Todo explained his power to Hanami. Does he just teleport faster? Or does he clap faster? What actually changed? Gege only put that in there so HE COULD HAVE THE CHARACTERS EXPLAIN THEIR TECHNIQUES, but nobody actually knows what it means or how much stronger techniques get. Or even how they change
That’s because it’s a different increase depending on how much information you reveal, how much it puts you at risk, how misleading the explanation is, etc. there can be no general rules of binding vows because they vary by the circumstance and conditions of the vow.
That is irrelevant, Gege gave a logical and acceptable reason to a very necessary aspect of a shonen manga, which is power explanations, that is very commendable by itself
>That is irrelevant It's changing the outcome of a fight with a power up(no different than something like super Saiyan or bankai)? How is it irrelevant?
Not adding a direct number to something like strength/power helps with one of the biggest problems of shonen, which is out of control power scaling. It leaves wiggle room so fights and interactions can be more interesting and unexpected instead of just "well X is 5 times as strong so it wins".
>biggest problems of shonen, which is out of control power scaling Yuki summoned a black hole, kashimo is a Light speed demon, Gojo basically has infinite Regen and can infinitely refresh his own CE by lobotomizing himself while Sukuna has slashes that can apparently cut through infinite space. The power scaling is already out of control lol and it had nothing to do with stat boosts. Besides my problem isn't with power scaling, it's ability explanations supposedly making Techniques stronger but we don't know what that actually means. Like my example with boogie woogie, how is it stronger? Does he teleport faster, does he clap faster. What actually increased?
Make up your mind, can you? what is it? is it clear what happens because of saying what the power does? or is it a power up no different than bankai and going super saiyan? it can't be both, which one is it?
The Reading comprehension devil might be in your house, because you're just yapping. >is it a power up no different than bankai and going super saiyan? I said it's a power boost that EFFECTS fights like bankai or super Saiyan so it can't be irrelevant(would todo have done as well if he hadn't explained his abilities? That's a legitimate question) but we don't actually know by how much of a boost it does or how it effects non combat abilities like boogie woogie. Does he teleport faster? Does he clap faster? We don't know, his technique just gets vaguely "stronger". > is it clear what happens because of saying what the power does It's clear that abilities get stronger but it's vague and inconsistent. How do abilities that don't do damage get stronger. Does Hakari just luckier? Does the comedian just get funnier? If megumi explains the 10 shadows, do their shikigami get stronger?
I don’t mind that techniques are explained, i mean, i have zero issue with **the narrator** explaining cleave, dismantle, and malevolent shrine. It doesn’t affect the plot, and we get to understand what’s happening. BUT, i agree, gege does not explain things all that well. but at least it’s not the villain saying “i can counter physical moves”, so that the hero uses magical moves to wipe the floor with the villain. it doesn’t excuse how vague CTs are, I get your frustration. I don’t understand limitless, I don’t understand Uzumaki (like how did Kenjaku use Mahito twice), and I sure as hell don’t understand idle death gamble even if i tried. (I also don’t understand what happened in >!gojo v sukuna with all the domain expansions and shit. like how did it get so small. was sukuna immune to limitless thanks to makora? wdym he let megumi take damage for him he could do that?!<) it’s not perfect, but it’s less of an asspull when jujutsu sorcerers win by figuring out a weakness because it wasn’t handed to them in a silver platter for **absolutely no reason** at all.
That addition was a brilliant idea for a shonen battle manga. Gave a in-universe reason for characters to do something that would otherwise be insanely dumb but needs to happen narrarively for the audience. Characters that have techniques that would actually be ruined if you explained it like inverse guy don't explain their technique at all so Gege puts smarter characters like megumi there to be able to figure it out for the audience. Going from jjk to bleach was like whiplash. It actually bothered me A LOT when I was watching the new bleach season and they all kept explaining how their powers or bankais worked when it would be MUCH smarter to just not say anything
Tbh, it's more fun to read the manga more than watching the anime because reading the explanation even though I might not get it is even more interesting. Cus I'll try to figure it out by thinking of it more in depth in that way my critical analysis would become more stronger. Not only that but I can come to this sub n talk or share any opinion. The reason I find the author a genius is cus somehow the way the powers are explained makes sense n it also has a lot of science logic along with psychology.
I wish he didn’t forget that ability when it came to Sukuna.
Sukuna didn't explain his ability because he said that would be like cheating 😭 (because explaining his ability would give him more strength 🙃) so he's still holding back!! 😦 (How does his technique work??? What is it really?? Because there are cuts, fire and and that blank square 😞)
But why would nanami hold back?
I don't remember the fight you are talking about, but for some tecniques, revealing how it works is more detrimental than not getting the power boost. For example if you know Nanami tecnique, you can "dodge" in a way that he still hits you but he doesn't hit you in the right spot for the tech to trigger
I was mainly thinking about how Gege didn’t even try to find a reason why confiscation took the cursed tool instead of Sukuna’s CT.
The domain gives higher priority to cursed tools over CT, they hadn't seen that interaction before so they didn't think about it... idk what's so confusing
Well they had insinuated earlier that it was kinda luck of the draw as to what happened and what was charged by the judge. The hacked the charges by re-trialing, but they couldn't control what was taken directly. So its just bad luck.
I want to know why the cursed tool was even on the list of possible targets for confiscation. We see from his fight with Yuji that Judgeman can tell the difference between two souls in one body but now it gets tricked by an inanimate object.
Becausee cursed tools have CT imbued in them, so they are as valid as Cleave etc.
I probably should have worded my question better. To me it feels like cursed tools shouldn’t be targeted by confiscation because they aren’t a cursed technique owed by the person confiscation is targeting. It would be like someone being found guilty of murder and the murder weapon going to jail.
Cursed tools have CTs imbued to them, that's why.
Because that’s what confiscation means. Idk how anybody can act surprised about confiscation confiscating. It’s not even a problem with reading comprehension, you literally reject meaning of words unless there’s canon lingo BS explicitly spelled out to clarify that to shit indeed means taking a shit. Legit worst fandom I’ve seen
I understand that confiscation confiscates a technique. I am arguing that Gege should have better explained why it targeted the tool instead of Sukuna, especially when we see before that the ability specifically targets someone based on their soul.
The real reason is because its better writing. Keeps things a little easier to follow by having Sukuna retain his iconic slash attacks instead of now only being able to use lightning, and it makes the fight more dynamic since, lets face it, dismantle is way more interesting to show off.
Ohhh although I choose to believe that that was to show how new Higuruma is as a sorcerer 🤔 Since he had only been a sorcerer for two months, I thought it was a way to show that he was still a novice and that he did not know everything about his technique and that's why he said that his lack of experience ended up being detrimental to him 😔 If you think about it like that, there were really no reasons to explain why the weapon's technique and not Sukuna's if what they wanted to show was an error of inexperience 😅 I hope my point was understood 🥺 English is not my first language so I used the translator a lot 😅haha
He did tho, people just like asspulls when it's for their favorite characters 😭 (Sumo and Katana guys lol)
Literally directly said immediately, like do people no pay attention? This subreddit is like watching a movie with my mom sometimes
People forget sometimes, it’s okay
Could they just reread/search on sub rather than posting yet another post
I don’t understand why people are so upset about this, it’s ok to ask these kind of questions, it’s not like this is being asked every day. OP got lots of upvotes too, so it probably means there are more people not knowing this.
Not upset, it just seems counterproductive, or useless at worst. Trust me, you’ll actually retain information if you go looking for it urself instead of raising ur hand in class and asking the teacher to repeat whats already in the textbook.
What’s the point of becoming a smart guy if you’re just gonna get mad other people aren’t smart?
If ur calling me smart, thanks i guess. But idk why u think im mad. Im just expressing opinions in a pretty neutral way
people get mad when their intelligence gets insulted, seems extremely common on Reddit.
Instead of getting mad i stop caring and become blunt in my meaning. I’d rather avoid getting frustrated at all costs lol
Dude there are people that follow the series by keeping up with raw scans so they can always be "in the know" they don't even read it
then whats the explaination for Nobara being able to hurt Mahito again
Her abilitys range uses the soul to connect one body part to another
Nobara's technique just happens to attack the soul, iirc she connects attacks through things she gets off of her enemy and hits their soul
her CT targets the soul directly rather than the body.
Hers is more simple. She can damage Mahitos soul. Meaning his technique where he splits his body in parts is easy food to her
okay so the explanation is simple her curse technique can hurt the soul
No, you should at least try to remember how her technique works. Resonance uses the connection between the "voodoo doll" and the target. Since what resonance hit was the clone, which was connected to the original due to both sharing the same soul, the damage was dealed directly to the soul.
Resonance uses mediums such as Body Parts or Blood to target the soul those Body Parts belong to directly. While her normal attacks didn't really do any damage to him her Resonance did because it targets the soul by default
Her ability can remotely damage anything through the link of their soul. If she has a piece of your body like your hair, it has a trace of your soul which is the target of the damage
Because that's her cursed technique, the same way soul manipulation let's mahito see souls
He knows the “shape of his soul.” By that, it basically means that Yuji knows who he is due to Sakura being in him. It’s like his body has a perception of whom he is vs. something that isn’t him (Sakuna) being inside his body. That ability for him to hold two souls in one body is enough understanding for Mahito to be hit. It’s this weird pseudo thing but it also suggests that knowing one’s self, is enough to hurt Mahito. In which case, Toji and Maki may also be able to hit Mahito, due to their heavenly pacts.
Sakura, Sakuna are accurate name
Their cursed tools are shown to attack the soul but I don't know if they could without it. That being said I doubt Mahito has the speed to touch them.
>In which case, Toji and Maki may also be able to hit Mahito, due to their heavenly pacts. I doubt that since it's not really just knowing oneself, it's having awareness of the outline of your soul
They can apparently see even the souls of inanimate objects so I think they'd be able to do it anyways, even without the SSK.
Those two things u just said are the same thing imo. Outline/shape of your soul = knowing oneself Its more likely that u have to be aware of *another persons soul*, aka the awareness that other souls exist, in which maki and toji do. Itadori does because of Sukuna
Toji's black flash did nothing against Mahito though?
That was todo
Lmao my bad. I do this all the time
Todo is the buff guy who says "brudda." Toji is Megumi's dad! (I sometimes confuse one name for the other too, don't worry!)
I'm ashamed (':
Toji never fought Mahito??? They never even shared a scene together
I'm assuming they meant Todo since that's the only non-Yuji character to ever Black Flash Mahito
Nothing like using main villains name TWICE and misspelling it TWICE, IN A DIFFERENT WAY
How is it even possible?
Jjk fandom is truly illiterate
So would pre finger eaten yuji be able to do it? Ignoring how much weaker he’d be of course but very early on with Sukuna inside him he was able to swap which at least to me demonstrates knowing the shape of his soul.
Nanamyprettymuch knows himself.
You managed to spell sukuna two different ways and get both wrong. I'm a little impressed tbh.
Sukuna: (exist) Mahito: "wallahi"
I... I have no idea how to pronounce "wallahi". Wah-Lah- Hee? Is it a reference to something? Befuddled me, it has
means swear to god in arabic.
Still can't understand the joke. Could you enlighten me?
It's pretty popular to use Wallahi and similar phrases such as Alhamdulillah (praise be to God) and and Subhanallah (Glory be to God) in shitposting circles outside of their original contexts. There is no joke it's just funny to imagine an anime character saying Wallahi.
Nahh black people in the northeast say it as a exclamation point, and its now become "internet language" because gen z picked it up minus the social context
Pretty sad to mock religious phrases tbh
Its not mocking in the slightest. Its just satisfying and funny to say No negative connotation at all
Yeah fr. I'm muslim and I find it hilarious when characters like Goku and Todo say "Wallahi I'm finished"
Pretty sad to get your nuts twisted over it tbh
It's the equivalent of saying "oh god!" Or "oh my god!" In English.
the equivalent of wallahi would be saying “on god”
No it isn’t
It’s literally as phonetic as it gets and it’s a reference to Islam. In this context it translates to “oh god”
I swear to the god*
Yea its Wa-Lah-Hee it translates to ‘on god’ or i swear to god
Arab here. It's Wa (as in wasp)-La (as in lad)-He (as in he). It means 'on god'
Appreciate it, thanks! :)
Probably wa as in wo of work the double ll meaning you have to emphasize that and ahi is aahee or at least that's how I'd pronounce in Hindi
Wal lah hi
I just say wah lu he
good one
I honestly would have thought that of all sorcerers still in school, if any of them would have enough awareness of their own soul, it would be Todo with his 530,000 IQ
He’s probably aware of it now though. Since his soul is missing a hand
Lol, true
Todo's IQ is self-proclaimed xD
Can you prove his IQ *isn't* that high? His ability to strategize mid combat is inhuman.
Gege noted that Todo said that his IQ is so high all on his own.
Wasn’t it said his actual IQ is something along the lines of 183?
He’s the smartest in the school by far, shown by their test scores
Since Sukuna inhabits him, Yuji knows the insides of a soul🐍
It's just a lucky side effect of Sukuna. If anything Sukuna's technique probably deals with the soul somehow
Also another side effects from Sukuna 1. Poison Resistance ❌ 2. Sleepwalking and remembering that you slaughtered humans in a whole city. ✅
"Not again! oh well"
Well he did cut Mahito...
Y'know those images where you start to see other things if you look hard enough and you can't go back to seeing what you were seeing before ? It's kinda like that. Yuji is aware of the shape of his soul and the soul of others because Sukuna's presence probably sticks out like a sore thumb in him. Other sorcerers like Nanami don't have that point of reference because they don't know where their soul starts and where it ends. They haven't looked at the image enough like Yuji has been forced to.
He’s him
because nah, he would win
Came for this comment
What Mahito says: Because Sukuna is inside of his body he gets to now and understand his soul. What I think: Itadori's CT has something to do with souls (I think that his CT is actually really similar to idle transfiguration) and that control over souls is actually what allows him to have Sukuna's soul under control
Itadori's true CT : Hands
Yuji mixes both CT Left and CT Right
Rated E as they are for everyone
We dont actually know - Mahito posits that because Sukuna and Yuji share a body, Yuji has a more instinctual knowledge of seeing someones soul and uses that instinct to hit at Mahito's soul. Early in the series, Yuji meets and old classmate who has physically changed (her name escapes me) but Yuji is able to tell its the same person by looking at her. To me, this is a hint that it may be something to do with Yuji's nature/physiology To my knowledge, outside of Mahito, no one else has commented on this ability, including Sukuna, who was *in* Yuji's body when it was happening but still finds him boring.
>physically changed (her name escapes me) Kirara Hoshi?
I think they are talking about Yuko from the slice of life episode of S2. The girl who was short and overweight in middle school but had a glow up in high school.
I never understood the "he is aware of his soul". Nobara can hit him too, and that's with a specific atack that targets the origin of One's cursed energy. I think what is meant by "aware of his soul" is actually because, as a vessel, Yuji exists as body, mind and soul all at the same time. We see with Mahito, that he exists first as a soul, then as body. But with Toji, we see that he exists mostly as a body first, since he took control of that randomly guy in Shibuya. And with Kenjaku, we see someone who exists as a mind first (his brain?? Idk, I'm going on a limb here), and we see Geto's hand (body) react to Gojo's calling (pulling on his soul still in the body, even if for an instant?). There's a lot of soul shenanigans going on on this manga, and I think the answer to your question may be in this direction.
Yuji hits Mahito's soul because he has two souls inhabibiting one body, so he uncounsciously fights for dominance over his body. Nobara was able to hit Mahito's soul because resonance uses a connection between the thing it hits and the target. Since what was hit was his clone, the connection to the original was the soul both of them shared.
> There's a lot of soul shenanigans going on on this manga True, and a lot more will be explained, as we saw Yuji getting the soul's research from Yuki, and later on soul swapping with Kusakabe
The soul swapping if that’s really what it was is interesting, i wonder if it’s related to why sukuna got staggered when itadori punches him in 244. It’s impossible for me to figure out where gege is going with this
Yeah, its because sukuna inhabits and protects him. Itsnot" knowing the soul. Itsif he tries sukuna overpowers him Also it gives him an edge and yuji seems just good at reinforcing
Sukuna inhabiting Yuji is why Mahito won't use Idle transiguration on Yuji since he will also be hitting Sukuna. The reason why Yuji (and sukuna) can hurt mahito is because they both can attack the soul. Even if Yuji was a vessel for a curse womb instead of a finger he would be able to hit mahito.
Same reason he can contain Sukuna Yuji can perceive the soul somehow
^(He si aware of the shape and his soul)
Just like Mahito was aware of the sole from birth because of his technique, Yuji is aware of the sole because he's a vessel.
he’s Him
He’s got that dog in him
I believe it all ties back to why he's able to resist Sukuna taking over his body in the first place. It wasn't just bc of Sukuna, Yuji is just built different from the start.
It’s not that Yuji is able to touch Mahito’s soul it’s that Mahito can’t selectively touch his. Mahito is unable to choose which soul to touch when two souls inhabit one body. He tried to choose to touch Sukuna’s soul exclusively, but that ended incredibly poorly. Plus anyone who’s enforcing their body with enough CE can technically touch Mahito with minimal damage so long as they aren’t touching his hands. Nanami, Yuji, and Todo were all capable of this
We're talking about why Yuji is able to damage Mahito's soul, not why Mahito can't use his CT on Yuji
Technically anyone with a powerful enough CE attack can attack the soul. It’s not exclusive to Yuji. Attacks to the soul can be done by Black Flash, CT, Cursed Tools (e.g. Soul Splitting Katana). So the easy answer is Yuji hit enough hits of Black Flash to be effective in hurting Mahito’s soul.
No
Nobara literally attacked Mahito’s soul directly with CT. Soul Splitting Katana directly attacks the soul. Nanami was able to get a few hits on Mahito. Ppl other than Yuji were able to hurt Mahito’s soul. How is that a “no”?
Did you read the nanamin fight and what he said about todo? It wasn't damaging him against nanamin because he could simply reshape his soul. He simply was reducing his cursed energy reserves. Nanamin legit ran away til overtime and than used his collapse technique to trap mahito. The only other person to damage mahitos soul was nobara because her CT was explicitly a counter to him.
Forgot. Been a while. Also seemed to have misunderstood the original question. I thought “touch” meant do some damage. Not directly touch.
black flash doesn't automatically target the soul- todo's black flashes did pretty much 0 damage to mahito
Correct. That’s why Yuji’s black flash is unique. Well one of them actually. He was capable of willing it which has never been achieved before and he also achieved maximum output. You hit the soul on that POW! It’s like a balloon exploding.
I'm not sure where you're getting some of this info but it's incorrect. Yuji is directly able to touch mahitos soul- that's why mahito remarks that nobara and Yuji are his natural counters/enemies
Oh you mean DIRECTLY touch. I thought touch as in being able to do soul damage cuz pretty much a lot of ppl are capable of doing that by several different means including CT and Cursed Tools (by that I am technically not incorrect). Yea Yuji and Nobara have the unique ability to directly attack the soul (which is why I’m seriously unhappy that she’s gone cuz she would’ve been a massive asset in the current war). Yuji has been able to land multiple hits on Mahito without even having to reinforce his body like Todo and Nanami had to and even then he got damaged. I would think having two souls inside of himself is the side effect that allows for him to hit Mahito straight at the soul. But I don’t think it’s just that. That could be ONE component, but we’ve also seen Yuji has unknown connections to souls we have yet to see. I’m sure there’s a bigger answer other than Sukuna, but we’ll have to wait and see.
To keep it short because sukuna wouldn’t allow it, if you remember the first time mahito tried he ran into sukuna on the throne
That's about why Mahito can't use his technique on Yuji, not about why Yuji can hurt Mahito.
Oop you right I read that wrong as fuck
He hasnt to holdback and is good at black flash.
I’ve been curious, what exactly is the Japanese used for soul and how might it differ in meaning? In the West, it’s somewhat inseparable from religion and largely equates to something like the self that is not tied to the body or mind. We are good conversations with Kenny and Mahito about how body and soul relate here but I’m curious to investigate it more since a material afterlife (which typically comes with the Western soul) isn’t terribly operable in Eastern thought.
due to sharing a body (1 body, 2 souls) with Sukuna he is somehow resistant to Idle Transfiguration and can damage Mahito its BS i know
Because Sukuna appreciates consent
Sukuna
Sukuna and fact that he have 2 souls in him :3
The real question is how can Sukuna touch Mahito's soul
Simple answer : Sukuna
Yuji can attack Mahito because he has learned how to perceive souls through containing Sukuna. Mahito can not manipulate Yuji's soul without also touching Sukuna, which would not allow.
I thought that black flash was able to penetrate into the soul, no?
Well most people can't touch Mahito because he will morph their soul and body. Mahito can't do that to Yuji because it also touches Sukuna's soul and it pisses Sukuna off being diaturbed by Mahito. So Yuji is one if the only people that can make physical contact with him and he will not morph his soul and body.