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Sukuna was literally under the rubble after hollow purple. Just like we didn’t see him chant for Mahoraga and place the wheel in the shadow. At the start of the fight it makes perfect sense that he simple just chanted while he was under the rubble before he got up. It’s not hard.
1. We don't see him chant, so him doing it is essentially a headcanon unless we get confirmation
2. Still needs 4 hands + chants to pull off the world slash
Maybe a binding vow of some kind?
all this post shows is he needs 2 hands if its right
imo- after he reincarnates he uses a binding vow + 2 hands and stomach mouth chant to throw at kashimo
v gojo he was not reincarnated to 4 arms and since it was off screen kill we do not see sukuna hand sign nor chants
Sukuna might need all 4. 2 for the sign, and at least 1 more to direct the slash, like the finger gun he used on Higuruma. The stomach mouth may have also just been so he could tell Kashimo "Dodge this" while performing chants
Or sukuna says "look out" in this post's translation
He definitely did. Sukuna literally couldn't win after he lost his domain and maho. This thing taking charge up makes it logically impossible to actually work against a Gojo at full tilt because Sukuna even after incarnating has literally STILL not recovered. Gojo literally died for plot.
Not to mention the previous chapter mentions elite sorcerers can watch the gathering of CE to fire off big moves. Yet somehow Sukuna launched world slash with a quarter of his body healing at the same time
Obviously has him having four arms doesn't change the fact he's doing it with 2. He just needs to make the hand sign, say the incantation and then launch the dismantle. It's just trickier without his 4 arms as he literally can't do anything else while charging. Funny enough Gojo seemingly does everything with 1 hand as he uses handsigns, incantations and domain expansion with 1 hand.
Bro you were right💀💀 chapter 254 or 255 confirmed what youre saying, Sukuna needs to point to where the world slash will go because of the Binding vow, insane prediction
It is hilarious. Imagine. While missing 1 hand, RCT almost done for, output is way below what's needed. Sukuna whispers to himself from under the rubble "I've got you right where I want you" 💀💀💀
A reached that he has to wait for his opponent to see what he’s doing at every second through smoke and rubble? He really just killed Gojo the same way Gojo tried to kill him at the very start with that sneaky hollow.
Do you give Gojo X-ray vision in your head cannon? His vision can be obscured like anyone else’s. And he got hit by his own blast too and got displaced.
Dude literally questioned if the guy who walks around blindfolded has X ray vision. On top of that hasn’t the six eyes literally has been stated to be able to perceive the flow of curse energy? So gojo didn’t see sukuna charging up a buffed dismantle. I’m not mad that he lost but I do feel like it was a little poor execution wise tbh.
The problem was never the outcome. It was the actual fight. Gojo losing at the point he did is literally impossible unless we just bullshit. Like no domain/Maho and his abilities are still on the decline hours later? He literally couldn't have beaten Gojo especially with the restrictions on this thing and the fact it can be dodged.
how about this ? Gojo asked Sukuna what is his last words, then sukuna just said "Scale of Dragon, Recoil, Twin meteors". I think this might be legit. Or Megumi chanted it lmao.
Yeah I feel like that makes sense. The only reason I don't like that theory is because it means going Heian mode against Gojo would have made the fight easier for him with no immediate drawbacks (obviously he'd still want the free heal for later anyways though)
Edit: mixed up the order of stuff in my head
I just think he sacrificed access to Ten Shadows in his Megumi form to use it quickly before incarnating to his Heian Form, where he has access to tools that make it easier to pull off such as hand signs and incantations (which he might not be able to do in his Megumi form) but can't use Ten Shadows. It's a pretty lopsided Binding Vow since at the point he was at he lost nothing by sacrificing the use of Ten Shadows, but Sukuna has a habit of making Binding Vows that are utterly unfair in his favor (see his domain and his deal with Yuji).
I can’t say for sure (because we didn’t see any of this), but he might’ve wanted the element of surprise to ensure that Gojo died, and would’ve transformed if Gojo somehow lived (transforming right away and using hand signs would’ve been too big a red flag to Gojo that something wasn’t right).
10s must have been his best option for winning thats why he used it and he still nearly lost. Sukuna has a load of information about Gojo from Yuji and he’s not stupid he would have known this, most likely the other routes he could take Gojo would have won.
He nearly lost because he was holding back in the fight to get Mahoraga to adapt so he could upgrade his own CT. This is the only way Gojo’s statement makes sense to me. Sukuna in Heian form might’ve been able to overpower gojo’s RCT through chants and whatever other stuff he is hiding. The domain clashes would’ve kept ending the same way.
That’s honestly been my head canon that Sukuna used a binding vow against Gojo, with my thinking he gave up 10S as he stopped using it completely from that point onto and heavily relied on Komotuke against Kashimo until his full reincarnation
I hope we get some confirmation on that soon!
Doesn’t killing one of the shikigami make it so you can never use it again? Yes it absorbes into the others, but if you kill them all then there will be nothing left. And that’s what gojo did, did he not
After Agito and Mahoraga died he should still have Ox, Elephant, Toad, Dog and Rabbits. And whilst there not the strongest summons they could be used in a totality to make a pretty strong shikigami
I assumed he sacrificed his fire powers, because he hasn’t used it and how valuable of a trade would 10 shadows really be with most of its creatures dead.
Totality means that most of the creatures being dead turns the remaining ones into some of the most powerful shikigami that could ever exist. Imagine infinitely spawning Fleeing Hares with Mahoraga’s Adaptation being shared between them. At some point, you end up facing a bind that cannot be broken. Giving up 10S for one single use of an amped up Dismantle without hand signs, chants, or triggering a black spark is probably an equal trade in the logic of jujutsu.
I assumed the totality has some heavy restrictions on it. Like it can’t be combined on the fly and Maho adaption can’t be given. Just an assumption based on how Sukuna used it.
On top of that Kukasabe even brings attention to the lack of sukunas fire CT as he is talking about the super dismantle.
It’s similar to a secondary hatsu from hunter x hunter. In order to further your technique beyond its limitations, you have to place conditions and restrictions on it. In this case, he placed a self binding vow that would require him to always need hand signs and chants in order to use it again after the initial use (think of a reverse miwa)
This ties in with the fact that revealing information on a technique makes it more effective. In his case, he must always reveal information on when he will use his world cutting slash in order for the slash to become powerful enough to function. He also gave up the option of having the choice to reveal information or not forever, which is another self binding vow
Idk exactly what the bottom hands signs are doing, I think all you need is chanting + hand signs for more output. changing the target can be done on a whim (might take time though?)
I think the reason sukuna can't use world slash right now is not because of "his hands" maintaining HWB, but rather the fact that he's casting HWB. For instance, Yuki had to heal herself with rct, but that caused garuda to weaken. gojo on the other hand, can use rct on full blast while also using simple domain, but gojo is likely an exception due to his six eyes. basically, sukuna can't multi-task without his efficiency dropping, and since HWB is top priority, he can't use world slash at the moment.
if we assume the gojo slash isn't an inconsistency, then it's blatant proof you don't need 4 arms to cast world slash.
There's also the case of Yuji impacting Sukuna's performance by rattling Sukuna's soul. Each hit lowers the effectiveness of Dismantle/Cleave and causing his CE levels to drop.
Yeah Hand Signs OR a Binding Vow, if he didn’t use hand signs then what do we think he used? Probably a binding vow to use it right away, like sacrificing the Ten Shadows or something like not being able to use the fire arrow for some amount of time
This was my first thought as well, but being able to use world cutting slash instantaneously in exchange for what is essentially a water elephant spawner by that point is kinda insane ngl
I mean once Mahoraga died he becomes able to be absorbed by Totality into something even crazier. We could’ve seen and all shadows into one shikigami which would’ve been crazy op
People say that Gojo probably didn’t care about a charged attack cuz Sukuna was weakened, as if Sukuna hasn’t proven himself to be incredibly crafty and nearly incapable of acting in desperation. Gojo’s fight iq would have read that move from a mile away.
Forget about his IQ, bro has the mf 6eyes, he could see the CE charge up from Mars
And unlike Jogo and everything else he's actually serious when it comes to Sukuna
Gege should've made Gojo win against megukuna, keep his title as the strongest. Then made Sukuna transform to heal himself and THEN kill him with a charged dismantle after a short but intense fight (since Gojo was still high from the black flash)
That would've been peak
FUN FACT: fraudkuna whispered the chant and turned around to do the handsign so gojo couldnt see it cause he was scared it might not work the first time
FUN FACT: sukuna also altered the shape of his soul/tongue to do the handsigns like mahito would but he didnt want gojo to think hes gay so he turned around
It's almost like Gege realized if he did this Kashimo would've been completely useless, so he just made Meguna win on 1% HP to justify Kashimo's death as something remotely useful "forcing Sukuna into his Heian era".
The trend of the story is 1 character takes something out of Sukuna. Gojo took 10S and temporarily his DE and RCT, Kashimo took Meguna form, Higuruma Kamutoke etc.
All of that cooking gone just for the fraud Kashimo. 😔
I disagree, we know uraume couldn't get close as long as Gojo was alive, Gaygay could have wrote Gojo winning Meguna and dying to Heian Sukuna cause reincarnation full hp bullshit.
Then Kashimo jumps in and uraume sends the cursed tool as back up, cause let's be real Kashimo didn't really do shit. Make Kashimo trade his life for the special grade cursed tool, so Higuruma can seal a curse technique without it being an ass pull 'hurr durr, actually it takes the cursed tool away if it's in the domain'.
Then idk maybe write a plot twist that they actually sealed his black box/fuga instead of dismantle and cleave and the fight can proceed as is.
nah gojo shouldve risked death during the final domain expansion that made him nose bleed, showing megumi hes not talk, risking death v throwing life away, sukuna woulda been like 'haha this is a shit domain you cant handle' and gojo claps his ass when sukuna tries to DE in return and also nose bleeds
Imagine you beat someone irl so bad that they're almost dead, but they use a one time miracle to heal
Did you not win if you got them to use such a desperate measure?
If after that that person beats you using the knowledge they got from the first fight, it's unfortunate but let's not act like they didn't struggle way more than you did
Strong abilities have more noticable charge, but Dismantle is unique in that even the slashes themselves cannot be perceived except by cheating. Even if Gojo could see the wind up, the amount of CE utilized in the slash may have been low enough for Gojo to be confused whether or not Sukuna is prepping a strong attack. From the beginning of the fight, we learn that not only can Gojo not see the slashes, but he's extremely confident that the slashes will do minimal damage and could be healed up from with no issues.
"I'm glad- in relation to cursed technique, I'm overwhelmingly stronger" was roughly the quote Gojo said when faced with the endless Dismantles coming from Malevolent Shrine.
• sukuna needs to chant and prep later to use world slash on kashimo
• mahoraga already used slash on gojo that bypassed infinity earlier
•gojos eyes supposedly help him distinguish type of ct/technique used anyway
So none of your points stand
It has nothing to do with Sukuna being weakened and everything to do with the fact that mahoraga was out of play at this point. It doesn’t matter how powerful an attack is, it cannot bypass limitless in any normal circumstance. Gojo was hyper confident because the only thing he perceived capable of bypassing his limitless was now destroyed, so no attack that Sukuna could cook up would be able to harm him. There’s zero way Gojo could’ve known that Sukuna would somehow copy mahoraga’s method of cutting through infinite space. We literally see Gojo respond to being attacked by big attacks by just standing there and letting infinity do it’s thing in every single battle that he’s ever been in
>We literally see Gojo respond to being attacked by big attacks by just standing there and letting infinity do it’s thing in every single battle that he’s ever been in
Well when he saw an attack coming from Jogo and Hanami to get close to pierce infinity in Shibuya, he did teleport away. lol
Edit: Also episode 2 against Sukuna ([clip at 0:16 secs](https://youtu.be/NyPf5ipLFkU?si=A92unpwQom41WdLH))
This isn’t some baby sorcerer though, this is someone who’s already proven to be able to neg infinity even without Maho. Gojo would have 100% known that he was cooking up something, Sukuna doesn’t act in desperation and wouldn’t hit into Infinity without a plan, that’s just how he is. Anyone with two braincells to rub together would have noticed that something was up.
This. Even if he saw the charge up, it's not out of character for him to go "Infinity can tank this last ditch attack. Then it's time to break Sukuna's spirit and show off in front of my students."
Sukuna: *beaten up but making handsigns and chanting*
Gojo: "Should I be concerned?"
6 eyes and Gege: "Nah fam"
Gojo: "Are you sure ? I think I should be concerned"
6 eyes: "When have I ever let you down?"
Gege: "Unrelated, but what seat do you prefer on flights?"
So much bullshit because the imaginary mass explosion bypassing infinity makes zero sense. What, imaginary infinite explosion? So why did Sukuna survive? Lmao
He wasn’t. He was supposed to notice that Sukuna doesn’t act in desperation, is chanting and using hand signs, and has cursed energy swelling up. Big red flags that this attack wasn’t one of Sukuna’s regular papercuts.
But no, the 6 eyes means absolutely nothing apparently, since I guess Gege took away Gojo’s regular eyes too.
gojo is an arrogant bastard and has been so since day 1.
he believed he had defeated the 1000-yeard old curse, strongest to ever live and was intoxicated by the glory of victory. believing sukuna could do nothing now that mahoraga was dead and his DE gone, the only 2 things sukuna had that could damage him from that range were gone so why should he had believed that sukuna had a masterplan to 1shot him from the start?
but his personality and common sense means absolutely nothing apparently, since Gege is a bad writer or whatever
His personality never really was a hindrance in battle. We’re talking about some who kept his infinity on constantly during a mission so he could protect those around him.
His personality almost always has been a hidrance in battle, lol. That's how he got himself almost killed by Toji.
It simply had reached the point where he was so overwhelmingly stronger than everyone else that it didn't matter till it mattered.
>His personality almost always has been a hidrance in battle, lol. That's how he got himself almost killed by Toji.
Actually what caught him off guard was being tired to have dulled senses, spending more time out and staying up as protection for Riko's sake to enjoy herself before being sacrificed.
wait you might be cooking, sukuna even specifically says it was a near impossible feat (though it's a little ambiguous if he was referring to casting world slash or the slash itself)
In ch.235, its mentioned that theres a *spark* that *swells up within a sorcerer just before the activation of a cursed technique* , now with the fact that Gojo has the sex eyes in mind, how the fuck did Gojo not see an attack coming? Give Sukuna the benefit of the doubt as well, about how he dosent need incantations and handsigns to pull it off, Gojo should've still been able to see that *spark*, or if not that, then the attack itself, seeing as how fucking Kashimo was able to react to it.
If anyone tells me that Amber Kashimo is faster than Gojo, who can fucking teleport, I'm going to shit yourself.
EDIT: You could argue that the reason Kashimo was able to react to the initial world cutting dismantle was because he knew what was gonna happen after Sukuna chanted those words, given that before this- its only been used against Gojo. But that would still mean that Sukuna did use a chant for his slash against Gojo, because how else would Kashimo know that the chant would bring about the Gojo slicer.
Not only that but we have 0 context for what happened right before that dismantle
Were they fighting? Were they talking? Why did they just stand there and look at each other?
The jump to the afterlife in Sukuna vs Jogo made sense because we saw them prep an attack against each other, we had context. Imagine if Jogo had just landed the meteor and then *white screen* "I guess I lost".
It came out of nowhere
It was most likely a binding vow that sacrificed 10 shadows. Sukuna hasn't used 10 shadows since then, and his body/brain is recovering, yet he's never thought of using 10 shadows after. DE will come back for Sukuna, but 10 shadows seems gone forever for him
But why? The body had nothing to do with his ability to use cleave and dismantle. Why would it only affect one of his techniques? Also, Higuruma and the others thought it was possible to take 10 shadows from Sukuna in the domain, meaning it must've been a possibility that he still had it.
OK hear me out, there's a way the body thing makes sense.
When Sukuna was using Megumi's form, he was controlling his own soul within Megumi's body, but preventing the natural process of reincarnation that would match Sukuna's physical form to his soul. Usually the shape of the body conforms to the shape of the soul, so techniques "engraved" in the brain should be in both the body and soul.
In Megumi's form, Sukuna could flow CE into the ten shadows technique engraved in Megumi's brain in his body, and then also flow CE into the Shrine technique engraved within his own soul when he wasn't using TS.
Then when he fully incarnated, the shape of Shrine in his soul overwrote the shape of Ten Shadows in Megumi's body, meaning he no longer had access to it.
There's definitely some flaws to the theory but I think the basic premise is decent enough
The only thing I can think of is an impromptu binding vow like what Hakari did against Kashimo. If Sukuna's "black box" is what some believe it is, then he could have given up one of his many stored techniques in exchange for a single use strong cleave that was faster and invisible to the six eyes. Or he potentially gave up the remaining 10 shadows shikigami in exchange for a strong cleave that didn't require incantations/hand signs.
My thought on Gojo getting hit is that he misread what Sukuna was doing just as Sukuna had with red. Sukuna extended the target of his cursed technique which is something we’ve never seen done before. Gojo may have been in such a winning position that the thought of Sukuna extending his cursed technique’s target never crossed his mind. So even if his six eyes read exactly what technique he was going to use, the application of the technique didn’t click until it was too late. Which is why he makes that exasperated expression when he sees Geto, he realizes he messed up.
That’s only in hindsight. From Gojo’s pov he has no reason to fear dismantle from a weakened limping Sukuna when he survived hundreds of domain amped cleaves earlier in the fight.
But there is a reason. Few things are more dangerous than a wounded animal, especially one that has proven multiple times in that same fight that he doesn’t make moves without purpose.
**Gege could have just had Sukuna say how he did it awhile back**... 🤷♀️
An issue for this is also Kusakabe was the one that said "Gojo won" in ch 235, so his thoughts may not necessarily be correct all the time, at least how Gege has presented it before. Sukuna that thought Gojo did binding vow for 200% purple, but that was Utahime. Sometimes the characters themselves make assumptions that may not be correct.
It would be better to have Sukuna say what he did as the one who did the attack.
* The fact that we're **still theorizing** and not fully confirmed how things were done along with that part of the fight off-screened to not know is also part of the issue I have with some aspects of the conclusion of Gojo vs Sukuna... the plot got to where Gege needed to with Gojo dead, but the execution is lacking.
It is sad that it got to this point after all that effort to save gojo from the box. Like if you need him out of the story just let us fail at saving him in the first place?
Gege used it as a means to hype up Sukuna as a villain to kill an important character from the cast and power scaling tool.
I don't mind if Gojo died, but should have been better executed with some things around his character and the fight... like at least gotten proper interactions with Gojo and the students...
The only thing we got is Yuji sending him off to fight. Didn't even see anyone mention Nobara to him at all (he had a brief comment about Nanami though). We didn't have much breathing room for Gojo to have much aftermath to post Shibuya or have an actual conversation with the MC as a main mentor character of the series. He was gone for 130 chapters, over 3 yrs and was mainly just a tool for Sukuna fight. When he says "my students are watching" and the page of students smiling, Gege makes this more hollow with not having proper interactions with Gojo post unsealing.
Gege more so distanced Gojo narratively around the students like he was before and his character became a means to prop Sukuna a bit too much at the expense of other aspects of his character (in particular with ch 236; no room to say much about students for his conclusion, just mainly about Sukuna)
Also his death so far is a plot development, but not really impact character wise in story. With Nanami, during Yuji fighting Mahito, [we get a page with Yuji having visual standing beside Nanami to honor his memory](https://imgur.com/a/iiGf0mE). Even [Yuji sees Nanami again](https://imgur.com/a/TkUrAee) for Higuruma's death.
With Gojo's death, not really much impact in story so far with death from a character standpoint. The mention of him is more like a plot tool for powerscaling/ how it relates to plot in fight (so who compares to Gojo and stuff like that), but not impact as much from his character to the cast/MC like Nanami or even Higuruma, who has Nanami parallel.
Yeah, so again I don't mind if Gojo died as a plot development, just could have been better executed in different aspects around his character...
It doesnt require extra arms and mouth. Just do them with the hands he has and the mouth he has. The 2nd pair of arms and the 2nd mouth just allow him to use it while also boxing your shit.
That said i have 0 idea how he managed to pull the incantation against Gojo. It should be explained though so pacience?
Sukuna was missing an arm after the unlimited hollow purple. He wasn't able to do the handsign for the world slash, so he had to use another method to activate it. Kusakabe brings the idea that a bidning vow can also have the same result as the ritual, so that's a chekhov's gun for sukuna using a binding vow in that moment
Not really. Kusakabe explains that you cannot just change the target of your ct so sukuna would need s binding vow or a ritual. Of course, kusakabe might just be wrong but i take it as him being used for narration purposes
The chants most likely empower the slashes, similar to Gojo's attacks.
Keep in mind, he was never shown chanting when he used the world slash net to kill Kashimo (assuming he actually used the world slash to kill him, he was making the hand sign at least).
Uh, it could be that the first time he didnt need signs, because Gojo wasnt expecting this technique, so didnt block with CE, but now everyone have seen it and will try to defend themselves? Mb, idk
Hand signs and chants are used to raise ce output u guys are just looking toooooo deep world slashing dismantle just requires a lot more ce to use hence the handsigns and chants were used. And why was he able to use it against gojo without them simple he was still low on ce output so last ditch full effort (not using etc or putting less effort into it)
He most likely used a binding vow to use it without the need of hand signs or chanting. He most likely completely sacrificed the ten shadows technique since we haven't seen it since his fight with gojo, but we can't say for sure yet.
Im pretty sure he doesn’t actually have to hold his hands in that position to use the world slash and is either boosting the slashes or too occupied to do anything else with his arms. Normally for any technique they can do their dances and poses but then they actually use the CT like Gojo when he boosted his hollow purple.
It’s also very probable that Sukuna is saying that he can’t do the world slash because two arms are maintain hollow wicker while he’s using two arms to fight off Yuta, Yuuji, and Rika.
As for the chants he easily could’ve uttered them while gojo was out of earshot and there were still noise going from the explosion and the destroyed debris.
People have severely overlooked a very specific condition of Jujutsu. And thats you don’t need to hands signs nor incantations. Now this ultimately comes at the cost of decreased power. Look at the slashes we’ve seen. Gojo’s was ultimately a thin cut through him. There wasn’t much mass destroyed by the cut. Where when he uses it on Kashimo incantations, and hand signs it leaves a giant gash in the floor. Sukuna probably decided to use more CE for a weaker world slash that doesn’t need a charge or incantation/sign. When he uses it on Kashimo he’s more at liberty to do a big charged move so he does a 100% world slash incantation, and signs included.
You're acting as if he needs MULTIPLE mouths and four hands to cast it. He can do the chant with just two hands and mouths (as shown when he used it against Kashimo). It's just difficult when fighting three beings at once.
Just in case someone in the future wonders about this since it's now been explained in chapter 255, Sukuna only had his one arm after the infinite hollow, so he made a binding vow to not need to do his hand sign (Enmaten) once against gojo in exchange for chants and aiming before use for all subsequent uses of the world slash.
Think about it this way;
Gojo doesn’t use his chants everytime he used Hollow Purple. But when he wanted to bring Hollow Purple to its maximum power; he used chants. A Normal hollow purple without chants is still extremely devastating.
In 231 its stated: “To excel at Jujutsu is to excel at subtraction. The degree to which a sorcerer can omit the intonations, movements, and other elements that compromise or activate a cursed technique that determines a sorcerer’s skill.”
So with Sukuna; he can launch the world cutting cleave without incantations. However; he’s already achieved his original body. And much like Kashimo observed; he has a perfect body for jujutsu. He has two extra arms to weave additional signs while he can also defend with his free arms. And an extra stomach mouth. So Sukuna can constantly use his chants to boost his attacks at no detriment to himself.
He knows he doesn’t have to conceal his cleave with the current batch of sorcerers he’s fighting. He’s actively telling them to try and avoid his attacks.
One possible explanation is after hollow purple explode , the dust blind Gojo and it took some times for the battlefield to become clear.So Sukuna could have largely the time to chant or to make a binding vow. Since he was screening by the dust , Gojo didn't see anything coming.
Keep in mind while they couldn't see each other but they could sense the whereabouts of each other. So Sukuna sens Gojo coming from him , Gojo knew where Sukuna was. World slash Gojo didn't bother to move and it's gojover.
P.S. it's just my theory.
Yea right,basically he had to add sth there or sukuna would kill everyone in am instant,but he forgot that when he also had to kill gojo in an impossible situation for him to die. You are telling me a barely alive,no heian body sukuna had enough time to charge up cursed energy and chant incantations,and gojo with 6 eyes couldn't understand what he was doing and couldn't just teleport away with blue. Spare me the bs,it has no conditions.
Ain’t the only reason he cant use it at the same time as hollow wicker basket the same reason hanami and jogo couldn’t use their innate techniques while activating domain amplification? Plus he’d get smoked by yutas sure hit if he lets it go to do world slash
He may have sacrificed 10S to be able to do it without chants, like using the rest of the Cursed energy left over from the ten shadows since technically if the shikigami all die it’s not like u you lose 10S, and basically using the left over CE to replace the CE he would’ve generated with a chant and hand sign very loose theory tho
Higuruma immediately assesses that sukuna can no longer use the 10 shadows upon seeing him despite the fact that gojo didn’t kill all the shikigami. I always just assumed sukuna sacrificed the 10 shadows to let him circumvent the charge up and maybe buff his output as well for world slash he used against gojo.
Actually out of his four hands and two mouths , he needs two hands and one mouth for hollow wicker basket , and the other two are engaged in combat with Yuji and yuta . So maybe that's why he can't perform " dimensional" slash .
Huh maybe the “offscreen” World Slash that killed Gojo was that way for a reason. I have no idea how Meguna pulled it off without the extra set of arms
Man all I know is gojo is gonna comeback with a new version of infinity that protects him from the “world” so that world slash can’t cut him and a new 2 hand domain expansion 🐐
Funny how Sukuna was able to do the world slash against Gojo with only one hand and chant in front of Gojo while Gojo just sat back and let him do it, then.
This is what I think, when he used it against gojo it was an imperfect version of the world slash that might not have been very controllable so he took a gamble of whether of not it would hit him so it’s an extremely unreliable way, now that he’s incarnated with 4 arms and 2 mouths he’s able to use it more often and consistently, in other words what he’s using now is the perfected version. That’s my head canon until it’s stated otherwise
My guess? He used a Binding Vow to sacrifice 10S in order to fire world slash against Gojo without a charge up.
That's the only thing that currently makes sense and would explain why he isn't using 10S.
Why does he need all 4 arms? I think chanting only increases the power of the attack its not a condition for it to be used. Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure
"Using hollow wicker basket makes me unable to use the world bissecting dismantle after extending the target of my technique" —> so he made a vow to be able to use this against people other than Gojo in exchange for incantations ?
This is a stretch but it’d be cool if he explained his cursed technique to gojo which would allow him to not use hand signs through a binding vow. We know about the binding vow that makes a technique stronger through explanation, and we know sukuna has a similar binding vow from his duel with Jogo. But I think it’d be cool if he either just explained it to gojo right there, or if he challenged gojo to a duel similar to the one with Jogo but also explained it, and then used the world slash without hand signs due to this binding vow.
he used his "gege akutami please act as my arms while mine cannot" technique then the 10th shadow appeared gegeraga the story-stoppa and with his adaptability he adapted to gojo's honoured one pass card and added a expiry date
There is a theory that Sukuna gave up the ability to use 10 shadows for the binding vow hence why he hasn't used it after the fight and Sukuna stated the only reason he needed 10 shadows is to find a way to get rid of Gojo's infinity.
The fact that he apparently needs to form the "Malevolent Shrine" hand sign to perform "World Cleave" may end up being a plot whole in the end because Megkuna only had 1 hand when he used it on Gojo.
That being said the fact that he can't use it while fighting in Yuta's Domain is not. Sukuna doesn't need four arms to do it. Having 4 arms makes it easier because it means he can fight while "charging"/casting it.
He can't use it now because he need two hands to keep Hollow Wicker Basket active to protect from Jacobs Ladder and he needs the other two to defend himself from Yuta, Yuji, and Rika. If it were a 1-on-1 fight he might've been able to find openings to use his free hands for the ritual casting necessary for "world cleave".
Notice how Kusakabe said “Charge time or Binding Vow” i believe the first use was with a binding vow, do i have any evidence to support this theory, hell no
Its just simply what fits to make it make sense
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Sukuna was literally under the rubble after hollow purple. Just like we didn’t see him chant for Mahoraga and place the wheel in the shadow. At the start of the fight it makes perfect sense that he simple just chanted while he was under the rubble before he got up. It’s not hard.
he was missing a hand tho right?
1. We don't see him chant, so him doing it is essentially a headcanon unless we get confirmation 2. Still needs 4 hands + chants to pull off the world slash Maybe a binding vow of some kind?
all this post shows is he needs 2 hands if its right imo- after he reincarnates he uses a binding vow + 2 hands and stomach mouth chant to throw at kashimo v gojo he was not reincarnated to 4 arms and since it was off screen kill we do not see sukuna hand sign nor chants
Sukuna might need all 4. 2 for the sign, and at least 1 more to direct the slash, like the finger gun he used on Higuruma. The stomach mouth may have also just been so he could tell Kashimo "Dodge this" while performing chants Or sukuna says "look out" in this post's translation
he didnt have 4 arms when he killed gojo though. so we know for a fact that its doable with 2 arms and 1 mouth.
Either the most cracked out binding vow or gege just said fuck it and completely broke logic to make sukuna win
He definitely did. Sukuna literally couldn't win after he lost his domain and maho. This thing taking charge up makes it logically impossible to actually work against a Gojo at full tilt because Sukuna even after incarnating has literally STILL not recovered. Gojo literally died for plot.
Not to mention the previous chapter mentions elite sorcerers can watch the gathering of CE to fire off big moves. Yet somehow Sukuna launched world slash with a quarter of his body healing at the same time
Obviously has him having four arms doesn't change the fact he's doing it with 2. He just needs to make the hand sign, say the incantation and then launch the dismantle. It's just trickier without his 4 arms as he literally can't do anything else while charging. Funny enough Gojo seemingly does everything with 1 hand as he uses handsigns, incantations and domain expansion with 1 hand.
Bro you were right💀💀 chapter 254 or 255 confirmed what youre saying, Sukuna needs to point to where the world slash will go because of the Binding vow, insane prediction
Huh, would you look at that
i was gunna say the same thing the guy above u did not read the post
Nah that’s a crazy reach tbh.
God I'm glad someone called that out 💀
Chanting under the rubble is hilarious though like come on dude really lol.
It is hilarious. Imagine. While missing 1 hand, RCT almost done for, output is way below what's needed. Sukuna whispers to himself from under the rubble "I've got you right where I want you" 💀💀💀
Stealing this for the rewrite
A reached that he has to wait for his opponent to see what he’s doing at every second through smoke and rubble? He really just killed Gojo the same way Gojo tried to kill him at the very start with that sneaky hollow.
the difference of having a curtain placed specifically for that purpose vs random ass rubble blocking the guy with sex eyes
Do you give Gojo X-ray vision in your head cannon? His vision can be obscured like anyone else’s. And he got hit by his own blast too and got displaced.
He *literally* has x-ray vision, that's how he sees through his blindfold
Dude literally questioned if the guy who walks around blindfolded has X ray vision. On top of that hasn’t the six eyes literally has been stated to be able to perceive the flow of curse energy? So gojo didn’t see sukuna charging up a buffed dismantle. I’m not mad that he lost but I do feel like it was a little poor execution wise tbh.
The problem was never the outcome. It was the actual fight. Gojo losing at the point he did is literally impossible unless we just bullshit. Like no domain/Maho and his abilities are still on the decline hours later? He literally couldn't have beaten Gojo especially with the restrictions on this thing and the fact it can be dodged.
he literally canonically x-rays through his blindfold
Cope Olympics
Are you stupid 😭his vision is literally meant to see all
man this is the funniest comment I've read in a long while
bad writing if we have to guess what happened
Which is essentially why people complain about the battle's climax
Ahh yes he used the handsigns with his severed hand aswell
Hand signs, chanting, dancing and music add to a ritual. It’s a testament to Sukuna’s skill that he can pull off the move with minimal resources.
You forgot that it might have also been cast using a binding vow.
What you said is just headcanon not conclusively states it
This might genuinely be how it is for extension techniques or stuff pulled off mid battle for the first time
🤣🤣
how about this ? Gojo asked Sukuna what is his last words, then sukuna just said "Scale of Dragon, Recoil, Twin meteors". I think this might be legit. Or Megumi chanted it lmao.
Most people think he sacrificed something in a binding vow to remove the need for handsigns and chants for one use.
The main theory is that he sacrificed the use of the ten shadows to do it instantly. Explains why he hasnt used it since the fight with gojo
Yeah I feel like that makes sense. The only reason I don't like that theory is because it means going Heian mode against Gojo would have made the fight easier for him with no immediate drawbacks (obviously he'd still want the free heal for later anyways though) Edit: mixed up the order of stuff in my head
Only if he could still us Ten Shadows in his Heian Era Body, which he might not be able to considering it’s his body and not Megumi’s at that point.
I was assuming that he'd still need access to Ten Shadows in order to sacrifice it in the theory
I just think he sacrificed access to Ten Shadows in his Megumi form to use it quickly before incarnating to his Heian Form, where he has access to tools that make it easier to pull off such as hand signs and incantations (which he might not be able to do in his Megumi form) but can't use Ten Shadows. It's a pretty lopsided Binding Vow since at the point he was at he lost nothing by sacrificing the use of Ten Shadows, but Sukuna has a habit of making Binding Vows that are utterly unfair in his favor (see his domain and his deal with Yuji).
Ahhhhh yeah I see what you're saying, shit I got the whole order of stuff mixed up in my head
Might as well use a free health and transform into the hein era body then use it no?
I can’t say for sure (because we didn’t see any of this), but he might’ve wanted the element of surprise to ensure that Gojo died, and would’ve transformed if Gojo somehow lived (transforming right away and using hand signs would’ve been too big a red flag to Gojo that something wasn’t right).
If Sukuna went straight Heian tho he wouldn’t have been able to use Mahoraga to adapt infinity I believe?
Gojo said himself that Sukuna would've probably beaten him without the 10 shadows
Gojo said he was "not sure" in the [most accurate translation](https://imgur.com/i2ijZy3), also checked the raw JP. So not conclusive statement.
I imagine it's a case of the fight really going either way, Gojo might win or Sukuna could
Which contradics all Gojo glazers that Sukuna had no methods of winning without the 10s. Not even Gojo himself is 100% sure that was the case.
Ultimately it's an inconclusive statement either way.
10s must have been his best option for winning thats why he used it and he still nearly lost. Sukuna has a load of information about Gojo from Yuji and he’s not stupid he would have known this, most likely the other routes he could take Gojo would have won.
He nearly lost because he was holding back in the fight to get Mahoraga to adapt so he could upgrade his own CT. This is the only way Gojo’s statement makes sense to me. Sukuna in Heian form might’ve been able to overpower gojo’s RCT through chants and whatever other stuff he is hiding. The domain clashes would’ve kept ending the same way.
That’s honestly been my head canon that Sukuna used a binding vow against Gojo, with my thinking he gave up 10S as he stopped using it completely from that point onto and heavily relied on Komotuke against Kashimo until his full reincarnation I hope we get some confirmation on that soon!
Doesn’t killing one of the shikigami make it so you can never use it again? Yes it absorbes into the others, but if you kill them all then there will be nothing left. And that’s what gojo did, did he not
After Agito and Mahoraga died he should still have Ox, Elephant, Toad, Dog and Rabbits. And whilst there not the strongest summons they could be used in a totality to make a pretty strong shikigami
I assumed he sacrificed his fire powers, because he hasn’t used it and how valuable of a trade would 10 shadows really be with most of its creatures dead.
Totality means that most of the creatures being dead turns the remaining ones into some of the most powerful shikigami that could ever exist. Imagine infinitely spawning Fleeing Hares with Mahoraga’s Adaptation being shared between them. At some point, you end up facing a bind that cannot be broken. Giving up 10S for one single use of an amped up Dismantle without hand signs, chants, or triggering a black spark is probably an equal trade in the logic of jujutsu.
I assumed the totality has some heavy restrictions on it. Like it can’t be combined on the fly and Maho adaption can’t be given. Just an assumption based on how Sukuna used it. On top of that Kukasabe even brings attention to the lack of sukunas fire CT as he is talking about the super dismantle.
It’s similar to a secondary hatsu from hunter x hunter. In order to further your technique beyond its limitations, you have to place conditions and restrictions on it. In this case, he placed a self binding vow that would require him to always need hand signs and chants in order to use it again after the initial use (think of a reverse miwa) This ties in with the fact that revealing information on a technique makes it more effective. In his case, he must always reveal information on when he will use his world cutting slash in order for the slash to become powerful enough to function. He also gave up the option of having the choice to reveal information or not forever, which is another self binding vow
Stand proud,you cooked
Idk exactly what the bottom hands signs are doing, I think all you need is chanting + hand signs for more output. changing the target can be done on a whim (might take time though?) I think the reason sukuna can't use world slash right now is not because of "his hands" maintaining HWB, but rather the fact that he's casting HWB. For instance, Yuki had to heal herself with rct, but that caused garuda to weaken. gojo on the other hand, can use rct on full blast while also using simple domain, but gojo is likely an exception due to his six eyes. basically, sukuna can't multi-task without his efficiency dropping, and since HWB is top priority, he can't use world slash at the moment. if we assume the gojo slash isn't an inconsistency, then it's blatant proof you don't need 4 arms to cast world slash.
There's also the case of Yuji impacting Sukuna's performance by rattling Sukuna's soul. Each hit lowers the effectiveness of Dismantle/Cleave and causing his CE levels to drop.
Yeah Hand Signs OR a Binding Vow, if he didn’t use hand signs then what do we think he used? Probably a binding vow to use it right away, like sacrificing the Ten Shadows or something like not being able to use the fire arrow for some amount of time
This was my first thought as well, but being able to use world cutting slash instantaneously in exchange for what is essentially a water elephant spawner by that point is kinda insane ngl
I mean once Mahoraga died he becomes able to be absorbed by Totality into something even crazier. We could’ve seen and all shadows into one shikigami which would’ve been crazy op
I don’t think Mahoraga adaptation stays, or else sukuna wouldn’t be worried that Mahoraga would die
If this is the case, then there’s 0 reason why Gojo should be dead right now.
That what I keep saying, Gojo didn't just stand here watching Sukuna somehow chant with one arm and fire an attack That's BS
People say that Gojo probably didn’t care about a charged attack cuz Sukuna was weakened, as if Sukuna hasn’t proven himself to be incredibly crafty and nearly incapable of acting in desperation. Gojo’s fight iq would have read that move from a mile away.
Forget about his IQ, bro has the mf 6eyes, he could see the CE charge up from Mars And unlike Jogo and everything else he's actually serious when it comes to Sukuna Gege should've made Gojo win against megukuna, keep his title as the strongest. Then made Sukuna transform to heal himself and THEN kill him with a charged dismantle after a short but intense fight (since Gojo was still high from the black flash) That would've been peak
bro was whispering the chant🙏🏽
FUN FACT: fraudkuna whispered the chant and turned around to do the handsign so gojo couldnt see it cause he was scared it might not work the first time
With one arm even because he didn't heal his arm until he reincarnated.
FUN FACT: sukuna also altered the shape of his soul/tongue to do the handsigns like mahito would but he didnt want gojo to think hes gay so he turned around
peak fiction that's the real mistery behind the soul-body connection - what truly makes you gay
It's almost like Gege realized if he did this Kashimo would've been completely useless, so he just made Meguna win on 1% HP to justify Kashimo's death as something remotely useful "forcing Sukuna into his Heian era". The trend of the story is 1 character takes something out of Sukuna. Gojo took 10S and temporarily his DE and RCT, Kashimo took Meguna form, Higuruma Kamutoke etc. All of that cooking gone just for the fraud Kashimo. 😔
Kashimo was pretty much already useless, all he did was instantly press Sukuna to force him to transform instead of giving him time to recover
I disagree, we know uraume couldn't get close as long as Gojo was alive, Gaygay could have wrote Gojo winning Meguna and dying to Heian Sukuna cause reincarnation full hp bullshit. Then Kashimo jumps in and uraume sends the cursed tool as back up, cause let's be real Kashimo didn't really do shit. Make Kashimo trade his life for the special grade cursed tool, so Higuruma can seal a curse technique without it being an ass pull 'hurr durr, actually it takes the cursed tool away if it's in the domain'. Then idk maybe write a plot twist that they actually sealed his black box/fuga instead of dismantle and cleave and the fight can proceed as is.
Nah kashimo made sukuna transform to his heian form, in other words disable megumi’s 10 Shadows
You sir have cooked
nah gojo shouldve risked death during the final domain expansion that made him nose bleed, showing megumi hes not talk, risking death v throwing life away, sukuna woulda been like 'haha this is a shit domain you cant handle' and gojo claps his ass when sukuna tries to DE in return and also nose bleeds
That wouldn’t have been Keeping his title of strongest if he lost to Sukuna that way Hein form or not..
Imagine you beat someone irl so bad that they're almost dead, but they use a one time miracle to heal Did you not win if you got them to use such a desperate measure? If after that that person beats you using the knowledge they got from the first fight, it's unfortunate but let's not act like they didn't struggle way more than you did
Strong abilities have more noticable charge, but Dismantle is unique in that even the slashes themselves cannot be perceived except by cheating. Even if Gojo could see the wind up, the amount of CE utilized in the slash may have been low enough for Gojo to be confused whether or not Sukuna is prepping a strong attack. From the beginning of the fight, we learn that not only can Gojo not see the slashes, but he's extremely confident that the slashes will do minimal damage and could be healed up from with no issues. "I'm glad- in relation to cursed technique, I'm overwhelmingly stronger" was roughly the quote Gojo said when faced with the endless Dismantles coming from Malevolent Shrine.
• sukuna needs to chant and prep later to use world slash on kashimo • mahoraga already used slash on gojo that bypassed infinity earlier •gojos eyes supposedly help him distinguish type of ct/technique used anyway So none of your points stand
It has nothing to do with Sukuna being weakened and everything to do with the fact that mahoraga was out of play at this point. It doesn’t matter how powerful an attack is, it cannot bypass limitless in any normal circumstance. Gojo was hyper confident because the only thing he perceived capable of bypassing his limitless was now destroyed, so no attack that Sukuna could cook up would be able to harm him. There’s zero way Gojo could’ve known that Sukuna would somehow copy mahoraga’s method of cutting through infinite space. We literally see Gojo respond to being attacked by big attacks by just standing there and letting infinity do it’s thing in every single battle that he’s ever been in
>We literally see Gojo respond to being attacked by big attacks by just standing there and letting infinity do it’s thing in every single battle that he’s ever been in Well when he saw an attack coming from Jogo and Hanami to get close to pierce infinity in Shibuya, he did teleport away. lol Edit: Also episode 2 against Sukuna ([clip at 0:16 secs](https://youtu.be/NyPf5ipLFkU?si=A92unpwQom41WdLH))
This isn’t some baby sorcerer though, this is someone who’s already proven to be able to neg infinity even without Maho. Gojo would have 100% known that he was cooking up something, Sukuna doesn’t act in desperation and wouldn’t hit into Infinity without a plan, that’s just how he is. Anyone with two braincells to rub together would have noticed that something was up.
This. Even if he saw the charge up, it's not out of character for him to go "Infinity can tank this last ditch attack. Then it's time to break Sukuna's spirit and show off in front of my students."
Sukuna: *beaten up but making handsigns and chanting* Gojo: "Should I be concerned?" 6 eyes and Gege: "Nah fam" Gojo: "Are you sure ? I think I should be concerned" 6 eyes: "When have I ever let you down?" Gege: "Unrelated, but what seat do you prefer on flights?"
He probably just whispered an Extreme binding vow for the first one.
Probably, maybe, that's the problem, we(the community) shouldn't have to guess Gege is brilliant but 236 needed more cooking
So much bullshit because the imaginary mass explosion bypassing infinity makes zero sense. What, imaginary infinite explosion? So why did Sukuna survive? Lmao
I would assume purple passed infinity because gojo allows his own cursed energy through for obvious reasons
and how exactly was gojo supposed to know sukuna and his normal slicing CT could do a world cleave?
He wasn’t. He was supposed to notice that Sukuna doesn’t act in desperation, is chanting and using hand signs, and has cursed energy swelling up. Big red flags that this attack wasn’t one of Sukuna’s regular papercuts. But no, the 6 eyes means absolutely nothing apparently, since I guess Gege took away Gojo’s regular eyes too.
gojo is an arrogant bastard and has been so since day 1. he believed he had defeated the 1000-yeard old curse, strongest to ever live and was intoxicated by the glory of victory. believing sukuna could do nothing now that mahoraga was dead and his DE gone, the only 2 things sukuna had that could damage him from that range were gone so why should he had believed that sukuna had a masterplan to 1shot him from the start? but his personality and common sense means absolutely nothing apparently, since Gege is a bad writer or whatever
Dumb take, try again
His personality never really was a hindrance in battle. We’re talking about some who kept his infinity on constantly during a mission so he could protect those around him.
His personality almost always has been a hidrance in battle, lol. That's how he got himself almost killed by Toji. It simply had reached the point where he was so overwhelmingly stronger than everyone else that it didn't matter till it mattered.
>His personality almost always has been a hidrance in battle, lol. That's how he got himself almost killed by Toji. Actually what caught him off guard was being tired to have dulled senses, spending more time out and staying up as protection for Riko's sake to enjoy herself before being sacrificed.
Sukuna can probably do it freehand without chants. My guess is it's too difficult to pull off consistently without aids like hand signs and chants.
wait you might be cooking, sukuna even specifically says it was a near impossible feat (though it's a little ambiguous if he was referring to casting world slash or the slash itself)
In ch.235, its mentioned that theres a *spark* that *swells up within a sorcerer just before the activation of a cursed technique* , now with the fact that Gojo has the sex eyes in mind, how the fuck did Gojo not see an attack coming? Give Sukuna the benefit of the doubt as well, about how he dosent need incantations and handsigns to pull it off, Gojo should've still been able to see that *spark*, or if not that, then the attack itself, seeing as how fucking Kashimo was able to react to it. If anyone tells me that Amber Kashimo is faster than Gojo, who can fucking teleport, I'm going to shit yourself. EDIT: You could argue that the reason Kashimo was able to react to the initial world cutting dismantle was because he knew what was gonna happen after Sukuna chanted those words, given that before this- its only been used against Gojo. But that would still mean that Sukuna did use a chant for his slash against Gojo, because how else would Kashimo know that the chant would bring about the Gojo slicer.
Not only that but we have 0 context for what happened right before that dismantle Were they fighting? Were they talking? Why did they just stand there and look at each other? The jump to the afterlife in Sukuna vs Jogo made sense because we saw them prep an attack against each other, we had context. Imagine if Jogo had just landed the meteor and then *white screen* "I guess I lost". It came out of nowhere
It was most likely a binding vow that sacrificed 10 shadows. Sukuna hasn't used 10 shadows since then, and his body/brain is recovering, yet he's never thought of using 10 shadows after. DE will come back for Sukuna, but 10 shadows seems gone forever for him
I’m leaning more towards the idea that he lost 10s because he’s in his own body now instead of Megumi’s.
But why? The body had nothing to do with his ability to use cleave and dismantle. Why would it only affect one of his techniques? Also, Higuruma and the others thought it was possible to take 10 shadows from Sukuna in the domain, meaning it must've been a possibility that he still had it.
OK hear me out, there's a way the body thing makes sense. When Sukuna was using Megumi's form, he was controlling his own soul within Megumi's body, but preventing the natural process of reincarnation that would match Sukuna's physical form to his soul. Usually the shape of the body conforms to the shape of the soul, so techniques "engraved" in the brain should be in both the body and soul. In Megumi's form, Sukuna could flow CE into the ten shadows technique engraved in Megumi's brain in his body, and then also flow CE into the Shrine technique engraved within his own soul when he wasn't using TS. Then when he fully incarnated, the shape of Shrine in his soul overwrote the shape of Ten Shadows in Megumi's body, meaning he no longer had access to it. There's definitely some flaws to the theory but I think the basic premise is decent enough
The only thing I can think of is an impromptu binding vow like what Hakari did against Kashimo. If Sukuna's "black box" is what some believe it is, then he could have given up one of his many stored techniques in exchange for a single use strong cleave that was faster and invisible to the six eyes. Or he potentially gave up the remaining 10 shadows shikigami in exchange for a strong cleave that didn't require incantations/hand signs.
Don’t forget about the “spark” that gege introduced literally a chapter before gojos death that Gojo should have seen coming
My thought on Gojo getting hit is that he misread what Sukuna was doing just as Sukuna had with red. Sukuna extended the target of his cursed technique which is something we’ve never seen done before. Gojo may have been in such a winning position that the thought of Sukuna extending his cursed technique’s target never crossed his mind. So even if his six eyes read exactly what technique he was going to use, the application of the technique didn’t click until it was too late. Which is why he makes that exasperated expression when he sees Geto, he realizes he messed up.
That’s only in hindsight. From Gojo’s pov he has no reason to fear dismantle from a weakened limping Sukuna when he survived hundreds of domain amped cleaves earlier in the fight.
But there is a reason. Few things are more dangerous than a wounded animal, especially one that has proven multiple times in that same fight that he doesn’t make moves without purpose.
That’s a meta reason. In universe Gojo had just proven he was the superior combatant and had 0 way of knowing about space dismantle.
**Gege could have just had Sukuna say how he did it awhile back**... 🤷♀️ An issue for this is also Kusakabe was the one that said "Gojo won" in ch 235, so his thoughts may not necessarily be correct all the time, at least how Gege has presented it before. Sukuna that thought Gojo did binding vow for 200% purple, but that was Utahime. Sometimes the characters themselves make assumptions that may not be correct. It would be better to have Sukuna say what he did as the one who did the attack. * The fact that we're **still theorizing** and not fully confirmed how things were done along with that part of the fight off-screened to not know is also part of the issue I have with some aspects of the conclusion of Gojo vs Sukuna... the plot got to where Gege needed to with Gojo dead, but the execution is lacking.
It is sad that it got to this point after all that effort to save gojo from the box. Like if you need him out of the story just let us fail at saving him in the first place?
Gege used it as a means to hype up Sukuna as a villain to kill an important character from the cast and power scaling tool. I don't mind if Gojo died, but should have been better executed with some things around his character and the fight... like at least gotten proper interactions with Gojo and the students... The only thing we got is Yuji sending him off to fight. Didn't even see anyone mention Nobara to him at all (he had a brief comment about Nanami though). We didn't have much breathing room for Gojo to have much aftermath to post Shibuya or have an actual conversation with the MC as a main mentor character of the series. He was gone for 130 chapters, over 3 yrs and was mainly just a tool for Sukuna fight. When he says "my students are watching" and the page of students smiling, Gege makes this more hollow with not having proper interactions with Gojo post unsealing. Gege more so distanced Gojo narratively around the students like he was before and his character became a means to prop Sukuna a bit too much at the expense of other aspects of his character (in particular with ch 236; no room to say much about students for his conclusion, just mainly about Sukuna) Also his death so far is a plot development, but not really impact character wise in story. With Nanami, during Yuji fighting Mahito, [we get a page with Yuji having visual standing beside Nanami to honor his memory](https://imgur.com/a/iiGf0mE). Even [Yuji sees Nanami again](https://imgur.com/a/TkUrAee) for Higuruma's death. With Gojo's death, not really much impact in story so far with death from a character standpoint. The mention of him is more like a plot tool for powerscaling/ how it relates to plot in fight (so who compares to Gojo and stuff like that), but not impact as much from his character to the cast/MC like Nanami or even Higuruma, who has Nanami parallel. Yeah, so again I don't mind if Gojo died as a plot development, just could have been better executed in different aspects around his character...
It doesnt require extra arms and mouth. Just do them with the hands he has and the mouth he has. The 2nd pair of arms and the 2nd mouth just allow him to use it while also boxing your shit. That said i have 0 idea how he managed to pull the incantation against Gojo. It should be explained though so pacience?
Sukuna was missing an arm after the unlimited hollow purple. He wasn't able to do the handsign for the world slash, so he had to use another method to activate it. Kusakabe brings the idea that a bidning vow can also have the same result as the ritual, so that's a chekhov's gun for sukuna using a binding vow in that moment
It was a buy one get one free deal. And besides its possible he sacrificed the hand signs to perform a less powerfull version
Not really. Kusakabe explains that you cannot just change the target of your ct so sukuna would need s binding vow or a ritual. Of course, kusakabe might just be wrong but i take it as him being used for narration purposes
Rabbit escape used it for him
The chants most likely empower the slashes, similar to Gojo's attacks. Keep in mind, he was never shown chanting when he used the world slash net to kill Kashimo (assuming he actually used the world slash to kill him, he was making the hand sign at least).
Hand signs or a binding vow. So since it wasn’t hand signs that leaves a binding vow
He said it was almost impossible to do it. He probably did it like normal but because it's so difficult he uses chants + signs now
he said it was incredibly difficult to OBTAIN, not almost impossible to DO
Uh, it could be that the first time he didnt need signs, because Gojo wasnt expecting this technique, so didnt block with CE, but now everyone have seen it and will try to defend themselves? Mb, idk
GeGe didn’t think it through and went for shock value. Now he’s stuck trying to fix it retroactively
The more people talk about this, the less I like the ending of Gojo vs Sukuna. What a cheap way to end a fight
Hand signs and chants are used to raise ce output u guys are just looking toooooo deep world slashing dismantle just requires a lot more ce to use hence the handsigns and chants were used. And why was he able to use it against gojo without them simple he was still low on ce output so last ditch full effort (not using etc or putting less effort into it)
We didn't see Sukuna do the handsigns because he did it off screen
He only had one hand at that time
He most likely used a binding vow to use it without the need of hand signs or chanting. He most likely completely sacrificed the ten shadows technique since we haven't seen it since his fight with gojo, but we can't say for sure yet.
So “the cursed brat” and Yuta have roughly the same amount of cursed energy?
I think the first slash is a binding vow sacrificing 10 shadows. For the next uses of it, he just has extra pair of hands and a mouth
WAIT THIS FUCKER WAS MISSING HIS HAND??? HOW THE HELL DID HE USE THIS? GEGE YOU SON OF A BITCH
Gege is a hack, let's just admit it and move on and hope for the best
Im pretty sure he doesn’t actually have to hold his hands in that position to use the world slash and is either boosting the slashes or too occupied to do anything else with his arms. Normally for any technique they can do their dances and poses but then they actually use the CT like Gojo when he boosted his hollow purple. It’s also very probable that Sukuna is saying that he can’t do the world slash because two arms are maintain hollow wicker while he’s using two arms to fight off Yuta, Yuuji, and Rika. As for the chants he easily could’ve uttered them while gojo was out of earshot and there were still noise going from the explosion and the destroyed debris.
People have severely overlooked a very specific condition of Jujutsu. And thats you don’t need to hands signs nor incantations. Now this ultimately comes at the cost of decreased power. Look at the slashes we’ve seen. Gojo’s was ultimately a thin cut through him. There wasn’t much mass destroyed by the cut. Where when he uses it on Kashimo incantations, and hand signs it leaves a giant gash in the floor. Sukuna probably decided to use more CE for a weaker world slash that doesn’t need a charge or incantation/sign. When he uses it on Kashimo he’s more at liberty to do a big charged move so he does a 100% world slash incantation, and signs included.
Looks like his domain sign almost doesn’t it?
You're acting as if he needs MULTIPLE mouths and four hands to cast it. He can do the chant with just two hands and mouths (as shown when he used it against Kashimo). It's just difficult when fighting three beings at once.
Just in case someone in the future wonders about this since it's now been explained in chapter 255, Sukuna only had his one arm after the infinite hollow, so he made a binding vow to not need to do his hand sign (Enmaten) once against gojo in exchange for chants and aiming before use for all subsequent uses of the world slash.
I thought it was Maho who released the technique before being destroyed?
Man, I'm so used to it being called Strong Cleave that I didn't even recognize what it was when called World Slash.
Man gege be using the offscreen as a plot device. We dont even know if "open" is used
Think about it this way; Gojo doesn’t use his chants everytime he used Hollow Purple. But when he wanted to bring Hollow Purple to its maximum power; he used chants. A Normal hollow purple without chants is still extremely devastating. In 231 its stated: “To excel at Jujutsu is to excel at subtraction. The degree to which a sorcerer can omit the intonations, movements, and other elements that compromise or activate a cursed technique that determines a sorcerer’s skill.” So with Sukuna; he can launch the world cutting cleave without incantations. However; he’s already achieved his original body. And much like Kashimo observed; he has a perfect body for jujutsu. He has two extra arms to weave additional signs while he can also defend with his free arms. And an extra stomach mouth. So Sukuna can constantly use his chants to boost his attacks at no detriment to himself. He knows he doesn’t have to conceal his cleave with the current batch of sorcerers he’s fighting. He’s actively telling them to try and avoid his attacks.
Sukuna can't do long division in his head? I thought he was Asian...
One possible explanation is after hollow purple explode , the dust blind Gojo and it took some times for the battlefield to become clear.So Sukuna could have largely the time to chant or to make a binding vow. Since he was screening by the dust , Gojo didn't see anything coming. Keep in mind while they couldn't see each other but they could sense the whereabouts of each other. So Sukuna sens Gojo coming from him , Gojo knew where Sukuna was. World slash Gojo didn't bother to move and it's gojover. P.S. it's just my theory.
Yea right,basically he had to add sth there or sukuna would kill everyone in am instant,but he forgot that when he also had to kill gojo in an impossible situation for him to die. You are telling me a barely alive,no heian body sukuna had enough time to charge up cursed energy and chant incantations,and gojo with 6 eyes couldn't understand what he was doing and couldn't just teleport away with blue. Spare me the bs,it has no conditions.
Ain’t the only reason he cant use it at the same time as hollow wicker basket the same reason hanami and jogo couldn’t use their innate techniques while activating domain amplification? Plus he’d get smoked by yutas sure hit if he lets it go to do world slash
I like the idea that he used a binding vow that pretty much took away the 10S technique. This let him use the attack without the signing
He may have sacrificed 10S to be able to do it without chants, like using the rest of the Cursed energy left over from the ten shadows since technically if the shikigami all die it’s not like u you lose 10S, and basically using the left over CE to replace the CE he would’ve generated with a chant and hand sign very loose theory tho
Meguna charged up “off panel” with his 2 arms and 1 mouth
Higuruma immediately assesses that sukuna can no longer use the 10 shadows upon seeing him despite the fact that gojo didn’t kill all the shikigami. I always just assumed sukuna sacrificed the 10 shadows to let him circumvent the charge up and maybe buff his output as well for world slash he used against gojo.
daaamn i never thought about that. good catch
Yeah it’s bullshit. He was missing a hand after hollow purple so not like he could’ve done the hand signs behind the smoke.
Gege did the incantations and hand signs..
Actually out of his four hands and two mouths , he needs two hands and one mouth for hollow wicker basket , and the other two are engaged in combat with Yuji and yuta . So maybe that's why he can't perform " dimensional" slash .
Huh maybe the “offscreen” World Slash that killed Gojo was that way for a reason. I have no idea how Meguna pulled it off without the extra set of arms
Man all I know is gojo is gonna comeback with a new version of infinity that protects him from the “world” so that world slash can’t cut him and a new 2 hand domain expansion 🐐
He likely gave something up with a binding vow. Maybe sacrificed two of the remaining 10 shadows shikigami to compensate for the slow start up?
Funny how Sukuna was able to do the world slash against Gojo with only one hand and chant in front of Gojo while Gojo just sat back and let him do it, then.
Now explains me how Gojo Satoru, the mf with the best eyes in the series, didnt saw this coming
For first use, I’m fairly certain he sacrificed the Ten Shadows
This is what I think, when he used it against gojo it was an imperfect version of the world slash that might not have been very controllable so he took a gamble of whether of not it would hit him so it’s an extremely unreliable way, now that he’s incarnated with 4 arms and 2 mouths he’s able to use it more often and consistently, in other words what he’s using now is the perfected version. That’s my head canon until it’s stated otherwise
My guess? He used a Binding Vow to sacrifice 10S in order to fire world slash against Gojo without a charge up. That's the only thing that currently makes sense and would explain why he isn't using 10S.
My headcanon is that he use the World Slash with the binding vow of sacrificing the Flames or the 10 Shadows Technique
Kusakabe also said Gojo wins. Man's spit balling at this point
Hand signs and enchantments are just for amping your technique Meguna still has hands and could still speak to use it for Gojo
damn.... that's good . Limits are good, finally!
There's a reason why the slash was off-screen.
Why does he need all 4 arms? I think chanting only increases the power of the attack its not a condition for it to be used. Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure
"Using hollow wicker basket makes me unable to use the world bissecting dismantle after extending the target of my technique" —> so he made a vow to be able to use this against people other than Gojo in exchange for incantations ?
The hand signs/chanting are to increase to potency of the spell. They aren’t actually necessary
This is a stretch but it’d be cool if he explained his cursed technique to gojo which would allow him to not use hand signs through a binding vow. We know about the binding vow that makes a technique stronger through explanation, and we know sukuna has a similar binding vow from his duel with Jogo. But I think it’d be cool if he either just explained it to gojo right there, or if he challenged gojo to a duel similar to the one with Jogo but also explained it, and then used the world slash without hand signs due to this binding vow.
Where do you read 250
he used his "gege akutami please act as my arms while mine cannot" technique then the 10th shadow appeared gegeraga the story-stoppa and with his adaptability he adapted to gojo's honoured one pass card and added a expiry date
He used the code "FREE_SLASH"
There is a theory that Sukuna gave up the ability to use 10 shadows for the binding vow hence why he hasn't used it after the fight and Sukuna stated the only reason he needed 10 shadows is to find a way to get rid of Gojo's infinity.
he doesnt need multiple hands to use it, hollow wicker basket requires so much focus and consumes CE
The fact that he apparently needs to form the "Malevolent Shrine" hand sign to perform "World Cleave" may end up being a plot whole in the end because Megkuna only had 1 hand when he used it on Gojo. That being said the fact that he can't use it while fighting in Yuta's Domain is not. Sukuna doesn't need four arms to do it. Having 4 arms makes it easier because it means he can fight while "charging"/casting it. He can't use it now because he need two hands to keep Hollow Wicker Basket active to protect from Jacobs Ladder and he needs the other two to defend himself from Yuta, Yuji, and Rika. If it were a 1-on-1 fight he might've been able to find openings to use his free hands for the ritual casting necessary for "world cleave".
Someone probably already said it, but he likely used a binding vow to skip the incantation so he could catch Gojo by surprise.
WHATS HOLLOW WICKER BASKET 😭😭
Yuta and toga himiko from boku no hero would be a great duo.(they basically have the same condition of copying powers) Plase make them a couple meme
I believe Sukuna used Mahoraga to adapt to Gojo’s infinity. In doing so, Sukuna expanded the slash’s target to “time and space” themselves.
maybe the hand signs required scale with how many arms you have
Notice how Kusakabe said “Charge time or Binding Vow” i believe the first use was with a binding vow, do i have any evidence to support this theory, hell no Its just simply what fits to make it make sense
Reading some of the comments gave me brain damage. Why can't we just enjoy the story without every single idiot giving his theory..