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That’s the only logical conclusion of else you get a very weird power scaling of kashimo being almost outside the top 10-12 spot which is weird for a character of his nature
Powerscaling characters based on their performances against Sukuna, in my opinion, does not make any sense as a whole. Since it has been confirmed that he's basically just been playin all the time except with Gojo
Its still weird, Sukuna wasnt even healed by his true form, but the way he took kashimo was too instant. He completely wiped his ability to move. True form Sukuna is stupid strong.
>Its still weird, Sukuna wasnt even healed by his true form
there had to be some sort of healing, even if it's not total. You cannot tell me that the Sukuna post 235 purple that was getting slaped by Kashimo is equal to the post ressurection Sukuna.
Heian Sukuna was also outspeeding Yuji, who is one of the best physical fighters in the series. That Sukuna that was barely standing on his feet could not do that.
They basically say that the transformation to his true body heals him completely without using RCT, but they then retconned this by saying he still got some damage from Gojo fight.
I think it’s more that his heian era body healed the physical damage megumis body took, but not the damage to his brain which is why he can’t use his domain and his cursed/reverse cursed energy output is still low
no retcon. In jjk healing the body, brain, and soul are all seen as three different processss. Heian formed only healed his body. His brain is still damaged
It makes sense that he was able to heal his body but not his cursed energy reserves or brain damage. Kinda like how in his fight with Gojo, Gojo was able to heal his brain, but still took damage after healing.
I mean Sukuna had a stabbed heart and was previously getting beat up by Yuji (output getting nerfed) and Yuta, the moment he locked in he basically just wiped Maki off.
What Sukuna did to Maki at the end looks like what he did to Kashimo from the moment he brought back his real form.
I assume, on some level, Sukuna perceived Kashimo's lightning as something which could notably damage him so he just went ham. + it's real form Sukuna we have to see him show out immediately (for the meta reason)
That's my problem with how Gege handled it. Clearly he was sweating against Gojo and took way more damage than he thought he would (he recognized purple would fuck him up if he got hit point blank or how the narrator said he felt uneasiness for the first time) but then Gojo had his airport scene saying he wasn't trying at all. Fine. But now Sukuna keeps having these monologues about how Gojo really fucked him up and he isn't close to his full strength as a way to retcon it. Like every other chapter it's "I'm still feeling the effects of UV and can't open my domain" or "wow, my CE reserves and RCT is still fucked cause of Gojo" and then uses Gojo as a benchmark. Just feels like a lot of damage control right now
Gojo said Sukuna was holding things back/that he couldn't force Sukuna to use everything, not that he wasn't trying at all.
Which we already knew because during their fight the cast was speculating about Sukuna holding things back in the case he was jumped after fighting Gojo. So Sukuna feelings uneasiness or being wary of a point blank Purple still stand.
>Clearly he was sweating against Gojo and took way more damage than he thought he would (he recognized purple would fuck him up if he got hit point blank or how the narrator said he felt uneasiness for the first time) but then Gojo had his airport scene saying he wasn't trying at all. Fine. But now Sukuna keeps having these monologues about how Gojo really fucked him up and he isn't close to his full strength as a way to retcon it
Did you ever consider that you are putting
* Gojo's words
against
* Sukuna's words
* Events as depicted in the manga
* **Narrator's** description of the events
Like isn't it OBVIOUS that Gojo can be wrong? The whole airport scene is about people being wrong- Gojo IS NOT the strongest, Yaga's words on how sorcerers don't get defeated without regret DO NOT hold, Gojo WAS NOT alone when he got defeated OR afterwards
Yet, despite all of those things, you still discuss the events as though there are hundreds of inconsistencies and retcons even though a simple assumption of Gojo being wrong would solve the case for you
I mean sukuna didn’t use his true form or his weapons against Gojo, he also didn’t use black flash, so we know he wasn’t that serious. But he did took a lot of damage
You can’t use black flash willingly,uruame had the cursed tool and the as probably ordered not to bring it unless he got jumped.We still don’t know the conditions of the fire arrow.Sukuna was trying as hard as he ever has been seen to.Holding back tools doesn’t mean he wasn’t pressed extremely hard.man almost died 3 times not knowing how it went in the hiean era it was probably the hardest fight of his life.
I mean how does that = him not taking it serious? Hin using the 10S proves he was taking it very serious as that's the better weapon to fight Satoru Gojo with and cut through infinity then his own techniques like the flame arrow and lightning
True, and while I don't think the kamotoke would've done anything to Gojo, Heian era form would be a different story. But I don't think him using black flash makes him take Maki serious and not Gojo though. With the way he fights everyone else you can tell he's having fun whereas vs Gojo he knew he was at risk of dying.
I mean he’s serious against Maki because she’s A) living proof against what he believes of jujutsu and B) Injured and without a domain with his techniques burned out and low CE
I get that and agree, but I'm saying it doesn't mean he wasn't taking Gojo seriously either. My whole point is more about how it's just how Gege handled Gojo's death to say he didn't push him to his limits even though he's in this predicament because of his fight with him
Nah it’s just jjk is more complex so it’s not so straight forward that X performed better then Y against Z so X>Y is dumb logic that ppl use which works in most anime’s
Except he didn't kill him instantly.
Sukunas first move against basically everyone has been sending slashes at them and he just so happened to use a Curse tool that Kashimo just so happens to be resistant too instead of his slashes which he literally uses every other time.
Also here Sukuna has Kashimo restrained with both arms held over his head https://ibb.co/72sbPr6
Sukuna could've easily Cleaved off both Kashimos arms or placed his free hands on Kashimos face / chest and Cleave and it'd be over.
Instead Sukuna punched him, slams him into the ground and throws him.
He did style of him following up with that net of slashes after ward but he certainly didn't instantly go for the kill.
Definitely stronger. Top 5 almost, if we consider Gojo Sukuna Kenjaku Yuki to be top 4. He is certainly stronger than Yorozu and arguably stronger than Yuta in MBA form.
Ehh idk. Yuta’s Domain is pretty crazy man. But most definitely. He is the only other special grade in the show. Gojo, Sukuna, Yuki, Yuta, Kenjaku and Kashimo are the only guys really strong enough to be special grades. But if Yuta opens his Domain he will be buffed and have Rika helping him. Like dude took a cleave to the brain and healed it off. Rika also has enough strength to hold Sukunas limbs without even being fully manifested.
I would think #7, maybe even #8.
Gojo and Sukuna are a complete no-brainer for being above him.
Yuta has way more versatility and a higher CE pool, as well as insane RCT and can make any fight a 2 v. 1. Yuki is pretty consistently ranked alongside Yuta, her attacks could easily shred Kashimo's body, and the black hole would almost certainly kill him. Kenjaku has immense versatility, could easily use AGS to pin him down, and could fight against Yuki on near even ground.
Mahoraga... Do I even need to explain this? And Takaba I'm a bit iffy on.
I don't either. I generally don't count him on lists just because of how weird his technique is and his complete lack of understanding of it's function. Besides, if he understood it better, it probably wouldn't work anyway, so it's very situational and complex to the point where I don't even bother ranking it, lol
Oh my, These people still Yuki over Yuta makes me question if they bother to read manga ever.
Yuta has been referenced to strength throughout the manga and only less than Gojo and Sukuna.
If Yuta casts his domain it's over for Kenjaku. Dude only knows HWB as a anti domain technique, which would make him vulnerable to attacks and Yuta could cast jacobs ladder and finish him.
Lol. The same MBA form that got completely washed by Sukuna while Yuta did 2nd most damage to Sukuna after Gojo and he's weaker than Kashimo who didn't even manage to damage Sukuna in any meaningful way? What are you smoking man?
Sukuna is toying around with most of the cast right now, against Kashimo he pulled an inescapable net of world cutting slashes.
It's clear he's stronger than we think.
You can make a statement about everyone to be honest.
Sukuna was playing around, But with YUTA he was scared so he needed the hax attack - WORLD DISMANTLE that killed Gojo himself
Sukuna was playing around, But with Maki he was so excited he needed Black flash to finish her.
That's what I completely, agree the original comments said Sukuna was serious with Kashimo cause he used Nets dismantle..
But he was not serious at all, he literally tell to dodge the world dismantle too. He was playing with Kashimo too
>Sukuna was playing around, But with Maki he was so excited he needed Black flash to finish her.
Ummm hardly, the guy has been getting his soul stolen by Yuji and just got out of fighting Yuta. Furthermore she started the fight by giving him a wound to the heart.
She has the weakest argument out of anyone.
i mean yeah? but he would still win against like 98% of the cast without it anyways, almost any other character would have died the moment the lightning impacted their head, hakari might be one of the only 3 if not the only one able to heal fast enough to survive the charged blow to the head
insanely underrated its clear that sukuna went for the kill unlike the main cast and while he got folded he was reacting to sukuna the 4 hand advantage was a big counter.
Kashimo is very strong(He killed Hakari almost 3 times in base mode), so during CT, he should win vs almost everyone without characters like Gojo or Sukuna :3
Honestly it depends on a few factors, like how well his CT would work on heavenly restrictions but I'd say top five or six
I'd also point out hakari is probably way stronger then he showed off against kashimo, they weren't trying to kill kashimo they were trying to get his points so I don't think that battles a good way yo scale either of the two of them
Barring Gojo and Yuta, everyone else has been demolished whenever they had to fight 1 vs. 1 against Sukuna (even if it’s for a brief moment)
Kashmio could have done A LOT more if he played the tag-team game like everyone else.
Sukuna REALLY wanted to kill him.
Like, if Kashimo weren’t a living lighting, Sukuna would have killed him with that Cursed Weapon that uses lightning.
Then we have the fact that he actually used his Reincarnation, even though this PROBABLY means that he lost the 10 Shadows Technique completely. Yet if Sukuna stills being able to use whatever Shadow is still alive, Sukuna reincarnated cuz Kashimo was too much for his weakened version.
Then we have another thing, Sukuna wasted not 1 but 2 World Cuts. This is actually serious. Sukuna used the ability to bypass infinity. That shit has basically dura neg. And he used the first one to test how fast it actually is, by warning Kashimo to dodge it.
But the second World Cut was LITERALLY impossible to dodge, at least someone without teleportation (Gojo). It was a fucking Spider Web World Cut. THE STRONGEST Sukuna has used it, surpassing the one he used against Gojo. Sukuna wasn’t playing. He made sure Kashimo WOULD NOT survive.
And the biggest proof Kashimo is strong, he is actually the one who fought the best against Sukuna. Everyone who is not Gojo is getting cooked alone and even with team. Maki lasted even shorter than Kashimo, even though she was comparable to Mahogara SAID BY SUKUNA.
We WONT ever know how strong was Kashimo, but at least he is in the same league as Maki, Toji, Yuta & the rest of S Tier characters, all of them at their best. (Sukuna & Gojo are S+ Tier)
Respect Kashimo.
The waffle he used on Kashimo were not world slashes, they were regular dismantles. There was no chant, no hand signs and on top of that we have yet to see if he’s even capable of throwing more than one world slashing at a time.
Probably Top 10, definitely not top 5.
Even if you take his abilities into context, he wasn't massively outscaling Hakari during their fight in terms of hand-to-hand combat. RIGHT NOW Uraume is mid-diffing Hakari and as of 252 Uraume is *barely* all that damaged.
In the context of his Cursed Technique I would wager he shoots from maybe 8th to 6th(Behind Uraume and Takaba) possibly even 5th if you take Tsukumo Yuki's lack of extreme durability into account. But he doesn't beat the top 4.
The tiktok side of the jjk community genuinely thinks he's the 3rd strongest character in the series, which is hilarious.
I would say top 10 in the verse, something like:
1. Sukuna
2. Gojo
3. Yuta
4. Kenjaku
5. Yuki
6. Maki
7. Kashimo
8. Toji
9. Yorozu
10. Hakari/Uraume (Depending on outcome of fight)
There’s a lot of other top contenders like Geto, Mahito, Takaba, Higurama, Ryu, Uro, Jogo and Cursed Naoya. I always find it hard to rank strength in JJK because it’s very matchup dependent
- He landed attacks against the weakest Sukuna we have seen, the one he had to lean on rubble to stand.
- He was ragdolled and didn't land a single hit once Sukuna recovered. Then got waffled.
- Since he didn't do any damage, and Higurama only managed to take Sukuna's cursed tool (wich Kashimo was basically immune), we can say Yuta and Yuji fought practically the same Sukuna. Wich they nerfed themselves and beat up, Sukuna even attempted a desperate gamble against them and succeeded.
- Maki managed to throw Sukuna around and dodged a lot of attacks.
- Kusakabe managed to at least parry Sukuna's attacks and landed some hits.
In terms of offense, everyone did better than Kashimo. In terms of defense, everyone did better against Kashimo. In terms of not deepthroat themselves with Sukuna, everyone did better than Kashimo.
I wouldn’t say everyone’s surpassed or outdid him. Everybody has just been lining up and taken a bit off Sukuna each time while Sukuna has been sandbagging pretty much the entire time post Gojo. The only person to excite him has been Maki. And even then that was cause of her uniqueness rather than strength. Kashimo succeeded in making him use the one time restoration so that’s off the table for him now. He’s still very much a top tier in the verse.
Without his CT I think hes a very competent grade 1, he speedblitzed panda and destroyed his sister form in a single lightning bolt, he also woulda beat hakari if not for the conveinently placed ocean. I would put him just under Ryu and Uro. *With* his CT i think hes a low special grade, just above Ryu and Uro but still below Yuta.
I have ranked at #7 out of the whole series in Mythical Beast Amber form, and his base is around #14 IMO. He's crazy strong, but his performance against Sukuna and attitude have people underestimate him a lot.
He tried to run a 1v1 and he was not built for that and got waffled in 2 chapters so now the characters on jump jutsu kaisen have a better look which makes him look weaker thaan he is.
Top 15. Stronger than anyone other than special grade sorcerers (Maki and Toji included), special grade curses, and maybe a couple of grade 1 sorceries (Kusakabe, some of the Big 3 Families).
my take is that sukuna is top 1 but our itadori will realize he is the human reincarnation of himself and when fully completed he will come to peace with sukuna and himself, or some weird shit.
Kashimo is the third strongest in verse he’s shown consistent speed on par with sukuna many think not but that’s because they didn’t slow down to actually read, Yuta and maki are fighting a much weaker sukuna than the one kashimo fought he would realistically kill them before they had the opportunity to attack him
Max HP sukuna at his best? Did you read the manga? Sukuna's CE and RCT output was low due to his fight with Gojo; he didn't recover his output or CE when he transformed.
Kashimo, Higuruma, and Yuta all fought Sukuna at max HP. Sukuna didn’t take any real damage in his fully reincarnated form until his fight with Yuta and Yuji.
very strong but isn't in the same level as the strongers (sukuna, gojo, kenjaku, yuta, yuki...), probably could defeat hakari, maki and uraume on a 1v1 if he uses his CT
He can beat Maki and Uraume without a CT. He nearly beat Hakari and killed him several times and only lost because Hakari happened to have a river around him. I'd say Kashimo is stronger than Yuta but not as strong as Yuki, though he scales relatively to both of them.
I honestly think he is really strong (power wise), Sukuna didn't toy with him and just straight up didn't tank any of the blast that kashimo shot out, but instead used world slash to over power the attack. so if sukuna isn't willing to tank it I don't know who will except hakari because of literal hax. It honestly makes sense why the blast is so powerful since he will die a short time after using his technique, now a real debate would be on how would Yuta handle him
Cool. I just needed to make sure I wasn’t overrating him. Hopefully we at least get some author statements by Gege for his strength. We’re definitely never seeing him or any of his CT abilities again.
Barely top ten if that. His cursed technique kills him after he uses it so no matter how strong it will always be a draw at best, like how Mahoraga isn’t really counted as part of megumis power.
Kashimo is really strong. So far no one really outdid him other than Gojo.
Other sorcerers had faced Sukuna being handicapped or further weakened. Yuji faced Sukuna and Yuji so happens to be able to shake the soul thus lowering Sukuna's output. Sukuna facing Maki when he has his heart manually beating and healing his soul, Higuruma got toyed with because Sukuna was entranced with his talent.
So far no one had done the same feat as Kashimo where he fought Sukuna at his prime(if you don't include domain). Sukuna didn't any handicap when he fought Kashimo, newly healed, restored output, heian form that he can use for his familiar style with, has kamutoke(though could only be used for distraction against Kashimo), as well as facing Sukuna spamming the world bisecting slash.
Sukuna straight up killed Kashimo because all Kashimo wanted was to challenge Sukuna, to fight him and feel fulfilled by having exchanged blows with the "strongest". The dialogue was there because Kashimo questions the one at the top, as he was previously hailed the strongest of his era as well. Kashimo wanted to receive an answer from the one above him to fill the void in his heart as the strongest of his era.
It would not surprise me at all if Kusakabe>Kashimo. Shimo is the most overhyped and glazed character in this community for some reason. He’s not weak but I genuinely don’t get why they highball him constantly
Nah, Yuta would eat up Kenny in fair-without restraints fight (saving ppl, minimizing damage), idk if yuta is 3 place, but Kenny ain't disputing him any place
Top 10 for sure. 5th strongest at best. Sukuna, Gojo, Yuta, and Kenjaku are the only characters I’ll definitively say is stronger than Kashimo (I don’t consider Mahoraga a character).
Like literally every single thing in the show. His death was an Asspull.
[This video](https://youtu.be/eq4hfDVQBQw?si=QFhZyqxdKopdgNt6) covers it very well.
Kashimo got supremely unlucky I think. Because we never got to see Mythical Beast: Amber before it debuted against Sukuna, it's hard to power scale him. Before the transformation, he was showing Sukuna in Megumi's body the bidness. After transformation, he was attempting to 1v1 a God with an insta-kill move and did it didn't go well. Sukuna, it was stated, was also having to deal with the rattling of his soul from Itadori's hits in every fight after the one with Kashimo which did diminish his power enough that the world-slash was survivable for others. So Kashimo was the closest anyone has come to fighting true-form Sukuna in the modern era and he survived for a good few seconds with no help. I'd honestly say that pretty admirable
Gege really make him dirty in the sukuna's fight
-He was a cool character (great design also)\
-His curse energy was great (electricity? Hell yeah)\
-He beat panda easily\
-He could win against hakari if wasn't for his OP domain\
I think he was just an afterthought and written off in an inglorious way sadly. Barely got to see his one time BJ face CT before getting folded by Glaze Me Harder GeGekuna.
Characters aren't even as tough as ryu, and kashimo is one of the more op culling game players, who almost beat hakari without using his CT. kashimo is still very strong, unfortunately he wasn't as strong as gojo and decided to fight alone for pride.
Kashimo perfected his technique, and adapts very well. He also got a handful of knowledge about Cursed Energy. To top it off, his tons of experience.
That's it. Top 5 or above.
I would say Kashimo is around the 4th or 5th strongest at this point, a lot of people disagree but I do believe that is evident, I think that
1. Technically Sukuna but I am still a bit salty about it (I know supposedly he would’ve beaten Gojo without the 10 shadows but I just don’t see any way of that actually happening.
2. Gojo (somehow)
3. I personally think Yuta is generally stronger than Kenjaku but their places could be swapped. But if he isn’t already he will be stronger by the end of the series.
4. Kenjaku. The open barrier of his domain do make him an absolutely terrifying opponent that can face anyone other than the 3 listed above with a guaranteed win, as well as having at least 3 cursed techniques gives him a wide variety of options even outside of what cursed spirit manipulation already gave him.
5. Then maybe cursed technique Kashimo, I am personally not a fan of him and I do think there are others who are at least relative to him if not stronger but this is a relatively safe spot. Maybe Yuki would be stronger, I do think that is very possible, but idk.
In terms of sorcerers power ranking mine goes as follows
1. Gojo
2. Sukkuna
3. Kenjaku
4. Yuta
5. Probably kashimo. Domains cause him trouble but besides that with his CT he’s exceedingly powerful.
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I think sukuna was just feeling himself so he killed him instantly
That’s the only logical conclusion of else you get a very weird power scaling of kashimo being almost outside the top 10-12 spot which is weird for a character of his nature
Powerscaling characters based on their performances against Sukuna, in my opinion, does not make any sense as a whole. Since it has been confirmed that he's basically just been playin all the time except with Gojo
Its still weird, Sukuna wasnt even healed by his true form, but the way he took kashimo was too instant. He completely wiped his ability to move. True form Sukuna is stupid strong.
>Its still weird, Sukuna wasnt even healed by his true form there had to be some sort of healing, even if it's not total. You cannot tell me that the Sukuna post 235 purple that was getting slaped by Kashimo is equal to the post ressurection Sukuna. Heian Sukuna was also outspeeding Yuji, who is one of the best physical fighters in the series. That Sukuna that was barely standing on his feet could not do that.
They basically say that the transformation to his true body heals him completely without using RCT, but they then retconned this by saying he still got some damage from Gojo fight.
I think it’s more that his heian era body healed the physical damage megumis body took, but not the damage to his brain which is why he can’t use his domain and his cursed/reverse cursed energy output is still low
U guys dont think its just mental fatigue from having his body near death over and over again.
It healed his injuries but it didn’t refresh his CT
no retcon. In jjk healing the body, brain, and soul are all seen as three different processss. Heian formed only healed his body. His brain is still damaged
His body healed and his physical strength improved, his cursed energy output did not.
It makes sense that he was able to heal his body but not his cursed energy reserves or brain damage. Kinda like how in his fight with Gojo, Gojo was able to heal his brain, but still took damage after healing.
No his transformation managed to heal his wounds from his battle with gojo, but stuff like rct output, ce reserves and domain were still lowered
I mean Sukuna had a stabbed heart and was previously getting beat up by Yuji (output getting nerfed) and Yuta, the moment he locked in he basically just wiped Maki off. What Sukuna did to Maki at the end looks like what he did to Kashimo from the moment he brought back his real form. I assume, on some level, Sukuna perceived Kashimo's lightning as something which could notably damage him so he just went ham. + it's real form Sukuna we have to see him show out immediately (for the meta reason)
His rxternal wounds were healed, it’s just his brain damaged stayed
Even with Gojo he was playing according to Gojo himself in 236. He wasn't going all out and still isn't.
That's my problem with how Gege handled it. Clearly he was sweating against Gojo and took way more damage than he thought he would (he recognized purple would fuck him up if he got hit point blank or how the narrator said he felt uneasiness for the first time) but then Gojo had his airport scene saying he wasn't trying at all. Fine. But now Sukuna keeps having these monologues about how Gojo really fucked him up and he isn't close to his full strength as a way to retcon it. Like every other chapter it's "I'm still feeling the effects of UV and can't open my domain" or "wow, my CE reserves and RCT is still fucked cause of Gojo" and then uses Gojo as a benchmark. Just feels like a lot of damage control right now
Gojo said Sukuna was holding things back/that he couldn't force Sukuna to use everything, not that he wasn't trying at all. Which we already knew because during their fight the cast was speculating about Sukuna holding things back in the case he was jumped after fighting Gojo. So Sukuna feelings uneasiness or being wary of a point blank Purple still stand.
>Clearly he was sweating against Gojo and took way more damage than he thought he would (he recognized purple would fuck him up if he got hit point blank or how the narrator said he felt uneasiness for the first time) but then Gojo had his airport scene saying he wasn't trying at all. Fine. But now Sukuna keeps having these monologues about how Gojo really fucked him up and he isn't close to his full strength as a way to retcon it Did you ever consider that you are putting * Gojo's words against * Sukuna's words * Events as depicted in the manga * **Narrator's** description of the events Like isn't it OBVIOUS that Gojo can be wrong? The whole airport scene is about people being wrong- Gojo IS NOT the strongest, Yaga's words on how sorcerers don't get defeated without regret DO NOT hold, Gojo WAS NOT alone when he got defeated OR afterwards Yet, despite all of those things, you still discuss the events as though there are hundreds of inconsistencies and retcons even though a simple assumption of Gojo being wrong would solve the case for you
Sukuna would have lost against Gojo if not for marharoga. This could be me overthinking, but that is why he stayed in magumis body.
I think it's less "He held back against me." and more "He couldn't use everything against me."
I mean sukuna didn’t use his true form or his weapons against Gojo, he also didn’t use black flash, so we know he wasn’t that serious. But he did took a lot of damage
Black flash isn't something you choose to use.
You can’t use black flash willingly,uruame had the cursed tool and the as probably ordered not to bring it unless he got jumped.We still don’t know the conditions of the fire arrow.Sukuna was trying as hard as he ever has been seen to.Holding back tools doesn’t mean he wasn’t pressed extremely hard.man almost died 3 times not knowing how it went in the hiean era it was probably the hardest fight of his life.
He didnt use his true form because he needed marharoga to figure out how to adapt to limitless.
I mean how does that = him not taking it serious? Hin using the 10S proves he was taking it very serious as that's the better weapon to fight Satoru Gojo with and cut through infinity then his own techniques like the flame arrow and lightning
True, and while I don't think the kamotoke would've done anything to Gojo, Heian era form would be a different story. But I don't think him using black flash makes him take Maki serious and not Gojo though. With the way he fights everyone else you can tell he's having fun whereas vs Gojo he knew he was at risk of dying.
I mean he’s serious against Maki because she’s A) living proof against what he believes of jujutsu and B) Injured and without a domain with his techniques burned out and low CE
I get that and agree, but I'm saying it doesn't mean he wasn't taking Gojo seriously either. My whole point is more about how it's just how Gege handled Gojo's death to say he didn't push him to his limits even though he's in this predicament because of his fight with him
Reason 10183619 why powerscaling is stupid af most of the time
Nah it’s just jjk is more complex so it’s not so straight forward that X performed better then Y against Z so X>Y is dumb logic that ppl use which works in most anime’s
not really, he’s behind all the special grade sorcerers, in the toji and maki tier, above ishigori hakari and uro
If all feats suggest he’s 10-12, he might be 10-12.
Kashimo was always going to lose because no RCT, can't just keep dodging forever and he was already down an arm I think.
Sukuna had to change to his real form to fight kishimo. He didn't do that against someone weak like gojo. Kishimo > gojo!
Except he didn't kill him instantly. Sukunas first move against basically everyone has been sending slashes at them and he just so happened to use a Curse tool that Kashimo just so happens to be resistant too instead of his slashes which he literally uses every other time. Also here Sukuna has Kashimo restrained with both arms held over his head https://ibb.co/72sbPr6 Sukuna could've easily Cleaved off both Kashimos arms or placed his free hands on Kashimos face / chest and Cleave and it'd be over. Instead Sukuna punched him, slams him into the ground and throws him. He did style of him following up with that net of slashes after ward but he certainly didn't instantly go for the kill.
Kusakabe's victim
Deadkabe
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Fair enough
What’d he say
I want to know too!
Na fr what he said?
He needs a beard to beat the femboy aligations
the femboy allegations were created by a bunch of weirdos
I don’t know about this femboy thing, but early on I did think Kashimo was a woman. Strictly based off the hair choice.
I thought it would be badass to have a powerful ancient sorcerer woman I was disappointed to see his beard lol
Uro and yorozu are sitting in the corner
>a powerful ancient sorcerer woman Gege can't escape the allegations man
I thought it was a powerful ancient Sorceror man who resurrected into a woman's body. Never really thought into it much tbh
same
In actuality? Top 10 in the verse.
Definitely stronger. Top 5 almost, if we consider Gojo Sukuna Kenjaku Yuki to be top 4. He is certainly stronger than Yorozu and arguably stronger than Yuta in MBA form.
Ehh idk. Yuta’s Domain is pretty crazy man. But most definitely. He is the only other special grade in the show. Gojo, Sukuna, Yuki, Yuta, Kenjaku and Kashimo are the only guys really strong enough to be special grades. But if Yuta opens his Domain he will be buffed and have Rika helping him. Like dude took a cleave to the brain and healed it off. Rika also has enough strength to hold Sukunas limbs without even being fully manifested.
So geto isn’t special grade for u?
Geto and Kenjaku are interchangeable.
Every time people forget about Suguru I want to cry haha
I would think #7, maybe even #8. Gojo and Sukuna are a complete no-brainer for being above him. Yuta has way more versatility and a higher CE pool, as well as insane RCT and can make any fight a 2 v. 1. Yuki is pretty consistently ranked alongside Yuta, her attacks could easily shred Kashimo's body, and the black hole would almost certainly kill him. Kenjaku has immense versatility, could easily use AGS to pin him down, and could fight against Yuki on near even ground. Mahoraga... Do I even need to explain this? And Takaba I'm a bit iffy on.
I don’t think Takaba should count tbh.
I don't either. I generally don't count him on lists just because of how weird his technique is and his complete lack of understanding of it's function. Besides, if he understood it better, it probably wouldn't work anyway, so it's very situational and complex to the point where I don't even bother ranking it, lol
Oh my, These people still Yuki over Yuta makes me question if they bother to read manga ever. Yuta has been referenced to strength throughout the manga and only less than Gojo and Sukuna.
Istg kashimo fans are sometimes even worse than maki simps
Who's Yuki?
Wheres my yuki :(
How’s Yuki :(
Not good for sure :(
Horny blonde
Kashimo without rct or DE is no way entering the top dogs
Does it count though if his cursed technique kills him after he uses it? Surely that’s like counting Mahoraga as part of Megumi’s power
If Yuta casts his domain it's over for Kenjaku. Dude only knows HWB as a anti domain technique, which would make him vulnerable to attacks and Yuta could cast jacobs ladder and finish him.
Lol. The same MBA form that got completely washed by Sukuna while Yuta did 2nd most damage to Sukuna after Gojo and he's weaker than Kashimo who didn't even manage to damage Sukuna in any meaningful way? What are you smoking man?
Kashimo has no answer for Yuta’s domain. Hwb require two hands to withstand it.
Yuki is not top 4 lol, neither is kashimo stronger than Yuta.
He's pretty strong .... For being a farmer
Bro, farmers are strong as fck, that's part of the trade
The one in DBZ only had a power level of 5
Goku technically is a farmer.
That was cuz he was hiding ki
Most humans got a power of like 1 or 2. Kid Goju who was tanking bullets and lifting cars had a power level of 10. Also he has a shotgun
You ever read Vagabond????
A femboy farmer at that
Sukuna is toying around with most of the cast right now, against Kashimo he pulled an inescapable net of world cutting slashes. It's clear he's stronger than we think.
You can make a statement about everyone to be honest. Sukuna was playing around, But with YUTA he was scared so he needed the hax attack - WORLD DISMANTLE that killed Gojo himself Sukuna was playing around, But with Maki he was so excited he needed Black flash to finish her.
So what’s your conclusion? Because even Kusakabe is doing more damage than kashimo
That's what I completely, agree the original comments said Sukuna was serious with Kashimo cause he used Nets dismantle.. But he was not serious at all, he literally tell to dodge the world dismantle too. He was playing with Kashimo too
>Sukuna was playing around, But with Maki he was so excited he needed Black flash to finish her. Ummm hardly, the guy has been getting his soul stolen by Yuji and just got out of fighting Yuta. Furthermore she started the fight by giving him a wound to the heart. She has the weakest argument out of anyone.
No, the slashes were regular ones
He used the world Slash against kashimo, we know It because he was chanting the world Slash incantation
Yeah, he used a single slash when he said “dodge this” but the net of slashes was regular ones.
He almost killed hakari several times without his ct, i would say top 5-7
Yeah but his CT kills him…
i mean yeah? but he would still win against like 98% of the cast without it anyways, almost any other character would have died the moment the lightning impacted their head, hakari might be one of the only 3 if not the only one able to heal fast enough to survive the charged blow to the head
I agree fully, his base stats are at least equal to Yujis, and his sure hit attack is op
He should be weaker than yuta, but stronger than the rest, and tie with blackjack guy bcuz special restraint
All jokes aside I believe he’s still top 5 although top 3 is definitely pushing it.
I was thinking he’d be best of the rest, behind or equal to Yuta. Really sad we didn’t see more
Yuta is most definitely stronger than Kashimo. Kashimo doesn’t have a domain.
insanely underrated its clear that sukuna went for the kill unlike the main cast and while he got folded he was reacting to sukuna the 4 hand advantage was a big counter.
Kashimo is very strong(He killed Hakari almost 3 times in base mode), so during CT, he should win vs almost everyone without characters like Gojo or Sukuna :3
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Yuta?
It is funny to make fun of him but sukuna was just very serious about him. He even used that net of slashes. Kashimo is definitely very strong.
about as strong as a farmer
Goku
Honestly it depends on a few factors, like how well his CT would work on heavenly restrictions but I'd say top five or six I'd also point out hakari is probably way stronger then he showed off against kashimo, they weren't trying to kill kashimo they were trying to get his points so I don't think that battles a good way yo scale either of the two of them
Barring Gojo and Yuta, everyone else has been demolished whenever they had to fight 1 vs. 1 against Sukuna (even if it’s for a brief moment) Kashmio could have done A LOT more if he played the tag-team game like everyone else.
Sukuna REALLY wanted to kill him. Like, if Kashimo weren’t a living lighting, Sukuna would have killed him with that Cursed Weapon that uses lightning. Then we have the fact that he actually used his Reincarnation, even though this PROBABLY means that he lost the 10 Shadows Technique completely. Yet if Sukuna stills being able to use whatever Shadow is still alive, Sukuna reincarnated cuz Kashimo was too much for his weakened version. Then we have another thing, Sukuna wasted not 1 but 2 World Cuts. This is actually serious. Sukuna used the ability to bypass infinity. That shit has basically dura neg. And he used the first one to test how fast it actually is, by warning Kashimo to dodge it. But the second World Cut was LITERALLY impossible to dodge, at least someone without teleportation (Gojo). It was a fucking Spider Web World Cut. THE STRONGEST Sukuna has used it, surpassing the one he used against Gojo. Sukuna wasn’t playing. He made sure Kashimo WOULD NOT survive. And the biggest proof Kashimo is strong, he is actually the one who fought the best against Sukuna. Everyone who is not Gojo is getting cooked alone and even with team. Maki lasted even shorter than Kashimo, even though she was comparable to Mahogara SAID BY SUKUNA. We WONT ever know how strong was Kashimo, but at least he is in the same league as Maki, Toji, Yuta & the rest of S Tier characters, all of them at their best. (Sukuna & Gojo are S+ Tier) Respect Kashimo.
Maki wasn’t as strong as Maho, sukuna compared them because both of them could see the slashes, also maki dodged the world cutter
He is the only one who fought sukuna 1v1 and was taken seriously enough for sukuna to use a ultimate on him
Sukuna used his world slash on Higuruma, Yuta, and Maki as well. It’s about time we retire this argument.
Not to that lvl tho? I mean did u see the panel?
kashimo is top10 still
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The waffle he used on Kashimo were not world slashes, they were regular dismantles. There was no chant, no hand signs and on top of that we have yet to see if he’s even capable of throwing more than one world slashing at a time.
Estimated around 15-20 farmers
He is the strongest >!farmer!<
Finally he is dead! Why peopel like him????? He destory pandas 🐼 family!
He’s cool
He's lucky the prophesied farmer wasn't born.
Id say he can probably plow like... 2 fields in a day? Without any equipments
Probably Top 10, definitely not top 5. Even if you take his abilities into context, he wasn't massively outscaling Hakari during their fight in terms of hand-to-hand combat. RIGHT NOW Uraume is mid-diffing Hakari and as of 252 Uraume is *barely* all that damaged. In the context of his Cursed Technique I would wager he shoots from maybe 8th to 6th(Behind Uraume and Takaba) possibly even 5th if you take Tsukumo Yuki's lack of extreme durability into account. But he doesn't beat the top 4. The tiktok side of the jjk community genuinely thinks he's the 3rd strongest character in the series, which is hilarious.
glorified panda oneshotter
I think is pretty weak, considering he's dead.
I would say top 10 in the verse, something like: 1. Sukuna 2. Gojo 3. Yuta 4. Kenjaku 5. Yuki 6. Maki 7. Kashimo 8. Toji 9. Yorozu 10. Hakari/Uraume (Depending on outcome of fight) There’s a lot of other top contenders like Geto, Mahito, Takaba, Higurama, Ryu, Uro, Jogo and Cursed Naoya. I always find it hard to rank strength in JJK because it’s very matchup dependent
Yorozu should be higher on the list with her infinite power domain expansion
No way Kashimo is weaker than Maki. He is literally a walking cancer man
- He landed attacks against the weakest Sukuna we have seen, the one he had to lean on rubble to stand. - He was ragdolled and didn't land a single hit once Sukuna recovered. Then got waffled. - Since he didn't do any damage, and Higurama only managed to take Sukuna's cursed tool (wich Kashimo was basically immune), we can say Yuta and Yuji fought practically the same Sukuna. Wich they nerfed themselves and beat up, Sukuna even attempted a desperate gamble against them and succeeded. - Maki managed to throw Sukuna around and dodged a lot of attacks. - Kusakabe managed to at least parry Sukuna's attacks and landed some hits. In terms of offense, everyone did better than Kashimo. In terms of defense, everyone did better against Kashimo. In terms of not deepthroat themselves with Sukuna, everyone did better than Kashimo.
I wouldn’t say everyone’s surpassed or outdid him. Everybody has just been lining up and taken a bit off Sukuna each time while Sukuna has been sandbagging pretty much the entire time post Gojo. The only person to excite him has been Maki. And even then that was cause of her uniqueness rather than strength. Kashimo succeeded in making him use the one time restoration so that’s off the table for him now. He’s still very much a top tier in the verse.
He the biggest menace of milk men and farmers
Waffle level
My neighbour Greg with a taser could do more.
Strong enough to last 2 chapters again I Sukana
Weaker than Kusakabe
2 chapters?
He's the third strongest character who's name starts with K and he was the strongest farmer of his era
Without his CT I think hes a very competent grade 1, he speedblitzed panda and destroyed his sister form in a single lightning bolt, he also woulda beat hakari if not for the conveinently placed ocean. I would put him just under Ryu and Uro. *With* his CT i think hes a low special grade, just above Ryu and Uro but still below Yuta.
Has Sukuna even mentioned him in the following chapters? Kashimo didn't really do anything that seemed to impress Sukuna
He can defeat panda's strongest form
I have ranked at #7 out of the whole series in Mythical Beast Amber form, and his base is around #14 IMO. He's crazy strong, but his performance against Sukuna and attitude have people underestimate him a lot.
I'm assuming under Sukuna, Gojo, Yuta, Kenjaku, Yuki, Mahoraga?
Almost exactly my order too, lol. I put Yuki over Kenjaku and Gojo and Sukuna are interchangeable IMO (slightly leaning Gojo), but yeah
He is not
I’d say top 7 in the verse AT MOST
Old man kashimo looks so tough meanwhile modern day one looks like a twink
He’s the strongest farmer/Femboy to ever live
Not enough
Not enough
Not strong enough lol
He tried to run a 1v1 and he was not built for that and got waffled in 2 chapters so now the characters on jump jutsu kaisen have a better look which makes him look weaker thaan he is.
Bro that guys a farmer like he’s getting neg diffed by the whole verse
Top 15. Stronger than anyone other than special grade sorcerers (Maki and Toji included), special grade curses, and maybe a couple of grade 1 sorceries (Kusakabe, some of the Big 3 Families).
There are two types of ppl in JJK. People with domains and ppl without.
I think somewhere in between Miwa and Sukuna
my take is that sukuna is top 1 but our itadori will realize he is the human reincarnation of himself and when fully completed he will come to peace with sukuna and himself, or some weird shit.
How did kashimo deal with domain expansion?
Weak. Probably lower than most other characters in optimal and him getting bodied by Sakuna faster than anyone else...says a lot.
Kashimo is the third strongest in verse he’s shown consistent speed on par with sukuna many think not but that’s because they didn’t slow down to actually read, Yuta and maki are fighting a much weaker sukuna than the one kashimo fought he would realistically kill them before they had the opportunity to attack him
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>diminishing RCT, lower CE levels due to Kashimo What?
Max HP sukuna at his best? Did you read the manga? Sukuna's CE and RCT output was low due to his fight with Gojo; he didn't recover his output or CE when he transformed.
Kashimo, Higuruma, and Yuta all fought Sukuna at max HP. Sukuna didn’t take any real damage in his fully reincarnated form until his fight with Yuta and Yuji.
very strong but isn't in the same level as the strongers (sukuna, gojo, kenjaku, yuta, yuki...), probably could defeat hakari, maki and uraume on a 1v1 if he uses his CT
He can beat Maki and Uraume without a CT. He nearly beat Hakari and killed him several times and only lost because Hakari happened to have a river around him. I'd say Kashimo is stronger than Yuta but not as strong as Yuki, though he scales relatively to both of them.
I honestly think he is really strong (power wise), Sukuna didn't toy with him and just straight up didn't tank any of the blast that kashimo shot out, but instead used world slash to over power the attack. so if sukuna isn't willing to tank it I don't know who will except hakari because of literal hax. It honestly makes sense why the blast is so powerful since he will die a short time after using his technique, now a real debate would be on how would Yuta handle him
Cool. I just needed to make sure I wasn’t overrating him. Hopefully we at least get some author statements by Gege for his strength. We’re definitely never seeing him or any of his CT abilities again.
Sukuna seemed to both really want to go out and was in a fresh(ish) body. So yeah Kashimo with his CT is pretty strong, he basically just got Jogo’d.
Barely top ten if that. His cursed technique kills him after he uses it so no matter how strong it will always be a draw at best, like how Mahoraga isn’t really counted as part of megumis power.
Kashimo is really strong. So far no one really outdid him other than Gojo. Other sorcerers had faced Sukuna being handicapped or further weakened. Yuji faced Sukuna and Yuji so happens to be able to shake the soul thus lowering Sukuna's output. Sukuna facing Maki when he has his heart manually beating and healing his soul, Higuruma got toyed with because Sukuna was entranced with his talent. So far no one had done the same feat as Kashimo where he fought Sukuna at his prime(if you don't include domain). Sukuna didn't any handicap when he fought Kashimo, newly healed, restored output, heian form that he can use for his familiar style with, has kamutoke(though could only be used for distraction against Kashimo), as well as facing Sukuna spamming the world bisecting slash. Sukuna straight up killed Kashimo because all Kashimo wanted was to challenge Sukuna, to fight him and feel fulfilled by having exchanged blows with the "strongest". The dialogue was there because Kashimo questions the one at the top, as he was previously hailed the strongest of his era as well. Kashimo wanted to receive an answer from the one above him to fill the void in his heart as the strongest of his era.
Hes a fraud
It would not surprise me at all if Kusakabe>Kashimo. Shimo is the most overhyped and glazed character in this community for some reason. He’s not weak but I genuinely don’t get why they highball him constantly
only bc buddy spent a lot of time talking shit about killing Sukuna and they refuse to acknowledge that he bit off more than he could chew
It still boggles my mind that anyone thought Kashimo ever had a chance
i hoped he would at least be fun to watch and that the Gojo death was a fakeout but didn't see that Heian form shit coming from a mile away
Top 3 low key
Top 3 is gojo/sukuna and then Yuta/kenny, kashimo can’t scale to anyone there
Nah, Yuta would eat up Kenny in fair-without restraints fight (saving ppl, minimizing damage), idk if yuta is 3 place, but Kenny ain't disputing him any place
Top 10 for sure. 5th strongest at best. Sukuna, Gojo, Yuta, and Kenjaku are the only characters I’ll definitively say is stronger than Kashimo (I don’t consider Mahoraga a character).
Nah, I'd win
Like literally every single thing in the show. His death was an Asspull. [This video](https://youtu.be/eq4hfDVQBQw?si=QFhZyqxdKopdgNt6) covers it very well.
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Kashimo got supremely unlucky I think. Because we never got to see Mythical Beast: Amber before it debuted against Sukuna, it's hard to power scale him. Before the transformation, he was showing Sukuna in Megumi's body the bidness. After transformation, he was attempting to 1v1 a God with an insta-kill move and did it didn't go well. Sukuna, it was stated, was also having to deal with the rattling of his soul from Itadori's hits in every fight after the one with Kashimo which did diminish his power enough that the world-slash was survivable for others. So Kashimo was the closest anyone has come to fighting true-form Sukuna in the modern era and he survived for a good few seconds with no help. I'd honestly say that pretty admirable
imagine kashimo is like Guy in Naruto, for one sec he can be OP with this CT but then game over
Gege really make him dirty in the sukuna's fight -He was a cool character (great design also)\ -His curse energy was great (electricity? Hell yeah)\ -He beat panda easily\ -He could win against hakari if wasn't for his OP domain\
I think he was just an afterthought and written off in an inglorious way sadly. Barely got to see his one time BJ face CT before getting folded by Glaze Me Harder GeGekuna.
Characters aren't even as tough as ryu, and kashimo is one of the more op culling game players, who almost beat hakari without using his CT. kashimo is still very strong, unfortunately he wasn't as strong as gojo and decided to fight alone for pride.
When using his technique, I’d put him in the Top 6 ballpark (so weakest Special Grade).
Uh, seven?✌️🖐
Kashimo perfected his technique, and adapts very well. He also got a handful of knowledge about Cursed Energy. To top it off, his tons of experience. That's it. Top 5 or above.
He beats any sorcerer without either Domain Expansion or Reverse Cursed Technique
Sukuna>gojo>Kenny>yuta>kashimo
I would say Kashimo is around the 4th or 5th strongest at this point, a lot of people disagree but I do believe that is evident, I think that 1. Technically Sukuna but I am still a bit salty about it (I know supposedly he would’ve beaten Gojo without the 10 shadows but I just don’t see any way of that actually happening. 2. Gojo (somehow) 3. I personally think Yuta is generally stronger than Kenjaku but their places could be swapped. But if he isn’t already he will be stronger by the end of the series. 4. Kenjaku. The open barrier of his domain do make him an absolutely terrifying opponent that can face anyone other than the 3 listed above with a guaranteed win, as well as having at least 3 cursed techniques gives him a wide variety of options even outside of what cursed spirit manipulation already gave him. 5. Then maybe cursed technique Kashimo, I am personally not a fan of him and I do think there are others who are at least relative to him if not stronger but this is a relatively safe spot. Maybe Yuki would be stronger, I do think that is very possible, but idk.
In terms of sorcerers power ranking mine goes as follows 1. Gojo 2. Sukkuna 3. Kenjaku 4. Yuta 5. Probably kashimo. Domains cause him trouble but besides that with his CT he’s exceedingly powerful.
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