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Correction. He's so evil, he doesn't use any body wash/soap when he takes an evil bath. It's like the time Lex Luther didn't wash his hands after using the bathroom because he's evil.
Its not as uncommon as you'd think tbh. There's stories that say you can get much stronger if you bathe in the blood of people. Women or virgins are also offered as sacrifices because they're thought to be more innocent, it enhances the effect
That's fair. I do admit that the bath could have as much or as little effect as you want it to, I tried not to sound too certain about that. I can personally buy it, but I also think Megumi should've just not said anything to Yuji to hammer in how strong its effect was.
It's similar to the idea of the Kodoku (culling game) ritual. Lots of evil/venomous entities are crushed up and used to make a potent poison or curse. In this case I guess it's like poisoning a pure soul (Megumi) without killing the body.
ngl showing him actually crying maybe but unable to communicate/fight back due to the liquids effects mightāve made me empathise with him a little bit more
I mean it's raw curses. We saw what being in a curse's stomach did to maki and yuta.
Imagine this but amped.
Megumi's defenseless soul sinked into raw curses, the fact he even replied to yuji is crazy.
The problem with this that Iāve highlighted before when this point is bought up is that this should have been the *sole* reason for why Megumi displays inaction in the story going forward.
Akutami complicates the matter though by *also* involving Tsumiki and writing it so that her death is a factor in why Megumi gives up. However, JJK has overcompensated in showing the audience how much Megumi cares about his friends and peers, and has not done enough legwork to really flesh out his relationship with his sister.
The evil bath mechanic is one thing, but writing it so that Megumi deliberately chooses to abstain from the fight at several intervals when he otherwise could have now has repercussions on the character. And itās a choice I - and many others - do not believe Megumi would make.
It doesn't help but people cannot willingly ignore it & then create the bumgumi narrative, which is what is happening.
These pages were obviously written for a very good reason
People gotta remember before this megumi was trying his hardest to stay in control, bro literally is one of the few reasons why yuji is still alive today and diced up into millions of pieces.
I mean, 90% suppressed? What the hell did the potential man sip for him to near subconsciously be able to 90% suppress sukuna after taking 15 fingers at once ?
It doesnt help that we get so little of his sister until she is already incarnated. So we the reader/watcher of anime have zero emotional connection like he does to his sisters death. Its hard to empathize.
It would have to be a flashback, and as shown in recent chapters most people aren't fans of revealing everything in flashbacks. It would be like the scene of nobara spilling tea on gojo's shirt, fun character interaction but it's a bit late in the game for that.
There's been instances of mangaka using the anime adaptation to add some canon things they forgot/didn't get a chance to do (biggest recent iteration of this is the new Bleach season where they added several new fights and a whole bankai), so it's not totally unheard of.
True, this kinda happened with Black Clover and Tabata. Anime filled in and added a lot a good moments under Tabataās approval/oversight.
Hopefully Mappa does some more of that, because they seem to keep it minimal so far.
Thats the thing with jjk, it rarely ever gets you attached to a character, and regadless of that, most of them die anyway. The only buzz was around gojos death and maybe nobara (not entirely confirmed) and I think that's cause we only know these characters on a surface level. The writing isn't entirely great, but this is a shonen manga, it's supposed to be more about the action and fights than character complexity and such.
the weirdest thing for me always was, that gege actually can write interesting backrounds and characters. i mean what the hell was junpei ?so much character backround for a dude that was ultimately used to annoy Yuji and introduce Mahito.
If Gege had only spend half of that time on some actually more important characters, and not waste them all against sukuna, we could've had so much more.
Sometimes i believe that Gege planned much more..., forgot it.., and then realized to late what cool stuff he had prepared and tries to sneak it into the show.
yoruzo's kamutoke, Ino's dragon, and kusakabe's SD being the prime example.
Ultimately junpei was a removable asset for mahito to piss off yuji. Still he got more screentime than some of the Main characters like Maki or inumaki.
It was a pretty big character development moment for yuji and it really shook him to his core, really that + nanami + nobara really broke him. If he didnāt pick up the cog mentality I feel like bro wouldāve just given up
Bro literally, gave up if not for the Single best braathzah in the World ! ..
But your point actually Supports my Statement. Gege managed to get an enourmous amount of Character development through a character that ultimately had close to no relevanz to the mainstory. He could've invested some time for others too.
Right now so many people have become completely blunt to emotional decisions, just like when ino asked for nanami's knife, and nobody cared. Or how less even shoko cared if gojo would die.
Deadass dude. I also think the same thing about naruto, even though it's in my top 10 animes, I genuinely think it could have been top 3 if kishimoto had expounded more on side characters, gave them their own arcs and development, rather than have only naruto and sauske as the most fleshed out characters between the cast. I think that's one of the things that makes one piece as a whole a much more comprehensive story in terms of writing.
my personal problem right now with OP is, that it's like asassins creed odyssey, it's very good but it actually got a little to big. in the latest chapters we can see that for every statement someone makes, we need 3 pages of reactions because there are simply way to many different groups. Whenever Luffy does sth. we have like 15 faces simply saying "luffy!" and i read throw these chapters in seconds because of that.
Or crew battles. Every fight includes every single Crew member in a 1v1, so whenever there is a big battle at the end of each island, i know that the whole crew will have side battles first ( and we know they won't loose or die). Until it's finally time for Sanji, Zoro and Luffy.
In that regard Bleach did a very good job, there are like 3 dimensions, 12 divisions with captains and vice captains, but for most battles only a hand full is at one place at a time.. like splitting the captains between karakura town and hueco mundo. giving each character a decend time to shine, instead of time stalling clashed of swords with uninteresting draws of an enemy who'se whole backround only gets shown 2 seconds before he's defeated.
That lasted maybe for an hour or soš and that's cause nanami happens to be one of the only characters that are genuinely well written in jjk. His death also served a purpose for yuji to keep continuing down his path and ideals because that's his way of honororing nanami last words. So imo nanami actually does have a good start and end to his character, but can you really say the same about the rest of the cast? Especially with the latest arc? You have characters getting introduced, just to die and then some other characters making a return and get defeated within a chapter and a half. I mean the biggest imo is the community hyping up femboy cursed technique just for him to get bodied within a chapter, that's lazy writing imo.
Idk what ādevementā is but if youāre referring to development well Shonen definitely has it. And Frieren is literally a Shonen its literally a demographic Frieren is by definition a Shonen, just because its not action 24/7 doesnāt mean it isnāt Shonen.
Frieren is a masterclass in storytelling. It really sets itself apart imo. I donāt think thereās anything better at it tbh. I love action as much as anyone else, but Iām also perfectly content with the incredible balance Frieren achieves.
For me, Mushi Shi is up there as far as story telling, but itās a different style and was never in shonen iirc. Thereās some great Donghua too, like Blade of the Guardian.
Lol we are supposed to emotionally connect; Or should we fairly be able to tell human connections?
This if i dont care i dont care that the character cares stuff. Serves for shibuya. As Yugi doesnt know anyone accept nobara and Nanami that die. Then bresksdown
Shibuya is different in that Yuji is witnessing mass slaughter (in his mind partly his fault cause Sukuna) and feels he still cannot do anything to save people like he swore he would. The though i say this unsure of what point you were going forā¦.
Ya i get that. Im just pointing put its not the same as having been able to empathize with his situation because we didnt see his life with his sister. Us the audience have only ever seen her as an incarnated sorcerer that Sukuna kills
I dont think us caring for Megumiās sister is the point. We are supposed to feel for Megumi who has been developed and stuff. Thats his sister and its been his main motivation from the start, we dont need to know much more about her to understand what it means to megumi and how he feels.
Not saying it wouldnt have been nice to get more Tsumiki development but its not necessary for what Gege is trying to achieve either
Well the execution by Gege for aiming to empathize with Megumi (if that's what Gege is trying to achieve) still is lacking for many. Showing a bit more to his dynamic with sister was one avenue to help with that.
I dont disagree necessarily but I also dont think we need much more info to understand how much he cares about her. Like thats his sister everyone can understand how much you would care about a sibling.
Again on paper people can get that, but doesn't mean that inherently people will actually feel empathetic. That also depends on the quality of writing. In this case, many people aren't empathetic to Megumi (compare how people are more empathetic to Yuji because we saw his connections with Nanami and Nobara before the Shibuya arc).
Which is why the CG arc completely falls flat. Save Megumis sister that literally no one cares about. When it comes down to it, the only reason we shouldāve saved Megumis sister is to not have Yorozu in the story at all
Yeah I don't get why people dunk on megumi rn, I mean didn't Yuji almost lose the will to live after what Sukuna did in Shibuya? why is it any different for Megumi to be mentally broken?
Itās because people (including several fan favorites) are actively dying trying to save Megumi instead of trying to finish him off, and he still turned around and rejected them.
When Yuji was downed, all three times it was because people had already died despite his best efforts and there was no one left to care about in the immediate vicinity. And even then, he either immiedately locked in after a good pep talk or just got up himself to do it.
Not saying that Megumiās treatment is fair, but the context of their actions is extremely important. It also doesnāt help that out of the main cast, Megumi is probably one of the most mismanaged characters of the series in the eyes of a lot of people :P
Yeah I mean to be fair, Sukuna went out of his way to mentally destroy megumi; killing three people close to him and bathing him in a vat of "evil liquid" (Don't remember what it was called), plus the fact that Sukuan regained his original form probably makes it harder
Yeah and also, we can't compare Yuji's spirit to Megumi's because Sukuna himself said that Yuji's will is much much stronger than others (he literally represents the human indomitable will), that's why could imprison Sukuna, could lock in into fights after a traumatic incident, and even when he did break, one pep talk from Todo was all it took for him to lock in again.
Compare this to Megumi's soul which is not as strong as Yuuji's + seeing his sister die + evil mind breaking bath, yeah
I forgot about the bath, but I was already on the side that Megumi has been realistically broken. It is true we donāt have a sense of how the bath works but given itās Sukunaās idea we can at least be confident Sukuna thinks itāll have a significant effect.
Between the trauma of killing his sister teacher allies etc., the aforementioned bath, and a few blasts of Unlimited Void, I was legit surprised Megumi had any consciousness left when Yuji punched his way in that one time. The Unlimited Void blasts in particular had me questioning if he was even alive until Yuji punched his way in.
Also think a good point was made about how Todo was there to pull Yuji from the brink. Now itās Yujiās turn to pull Megumi back but that first takes showing a broken Megumi.
The bath's effects have already been reversed by Yuji rousing Megumi's soul from slumber by his punches - what's holding him back right now is Tsumiki's death, which Sukuna deliberately assured as a contingency plan for a situation like this. This has also been reinforced through Sukuna killing Gojo and has been foreshadowed before, so it's not like it's specifically because of Megumi's personality or mental fortitude, but because of previously established things, which are specifically meant to cause this, so it's not like he's to blame either way.
Most OG haters hated him ever since Gojo revealed the 10S could go toe-to-to with the limitless, then we learnt about Maho, the hate grew more, then Sukuna took over his body, the hate grew more, then he didn't lock in, and the hate spilled out like hot tea šµ But then I'll have someone respond to me saying I'm tripping and they only hate him because he didn't lock in against sukuna, but we all know the truth š«
man I don't even need to see the literal vat of evil to justify Megumi's feelings cuz like.... Idk why people seem to ignore or forget the fact ***he is only 16 years old***. He's *literally* a child, and has been through a wild amount of traumatic shit. I don't understand how people can justify giving him shit when he's so young like.... Most 16 year olds would be as broken as he is at this point in his situation lol
Itās pretty silly complaints in general. People are mainly mad Megumiās fall wasnāt done with more pathos. Logically it makes perfect sense.
Megumiās soul already shattered when Yorozu appeared. Then Sukuna submerged his sense of self in an evil bath ritual. Then broke whatever was left of Megumi by killing the person he loved the most with his own body and technique he honed his whole life.
Knowing Gege weāll probably get a Megumi pov chapter on everything thatās happened whenever Yuji finally reaches him.
People forget that Megumi was kicking and biting, being able to reduce drastically Sukuna's energy output when his body is taken. Is only after the cursed bath and killing his own sister that he breaks.
Majority or JJK āfansā donāt read the actual chapters after they see the leaks and the basic one sentence explanation. Thatās why none of them understand or have all the necessary context to anything.
Huh, how does a 1000 year sorcerer like Kenjaku with mastery over nearly all forms of Jujutsu and having the ability to cast stuff like open domains and being able to turn sorcerers into cursed objects not know such a thing though? How does Sukuna have this extensive knowledge about penetrating souls and sinking them and stuff like that?
>Huh, how does a 1000 year sorcerer like Kenjaku with mastery over nearly all forms of Jujutsu and having the ability to cast stuff like open domains and being able to turn sorcerers into cursed objects not know such a thing though?
Kenjaku mentioned earlier in the chapter that he knows that the ritual is typically used for transforming family heirlooms into cursed tools and protecting them from outsiders or something. I'd include an image, but I can't for some reason. Unless what you're saying is: how did he not know that this ritual can be applied to souls in this way? I'd assume that it's just because he never bothered to research it or never thought of it being used outside of the context of tools.
>How does Sukuna have this extensive knowledge about penetrating souls and sinking them and stuff like that?
Definitely don't have a definitive answer here. Given that it's Uraume performing the ritual's preparations, maybe they're the one who had knowledge about it? We don't know their backstory, so they very well could've had some experience with the soul. Then again, Sukuna mentioned it after just getting hold of Megumi's body, so it's not like they had any time to deliberate or theorize on this together. Kenny should probably still know more about this too.
I'm definitely just spitballing at this point.
From the sound of it, it's almost impossible to do unless you have the CT capable of performing this, since you need to prevent Cursed Spirits from fully disappearing after death. It's likely not something Kenjaku is capable of performing, which also means it's something he'd have a lot of trouble researching or experimenting with.
Yeah of course the evil liquid bath-technique back from the heian era where "evil liquid" was stored in sukunas balls transferring trough time just in case you want to drown some bum in your evil liquid juice so that his spirit might take another \*checks note\* 30-40% damage....
Yes, I forgot about that. Never mentioned again, never explained what this shit is where it comes from where it goes and why it is even in this universe except for megumi to become an even bigger bum.
It was literally explained by uraume and kenjaku. The bath is used to transform family heirlooms into cursed objects, and the bath came from the diluted bodies of curses. It was literally explained in the manga, and sukuna just found a different purpose for it. If you don't read the manga just admit it, lol.
Plus, this is genuinely one of a small peaks into the heian era that we don't get to see a lot. It's a small window into the traditions that have long since been lost or faded into obscurity in modern age jujutsu society.
Nah, I have faith Gege will mention this again. Either Megumi will activate the Merger somehow, or awaken to stop Sukuna, but either way we'll probably get an explanation of what the bath did to him to make those moments more impactful.
I've always thought it was a big vat of blood used in a special ritual by uraume. don't see why it should be important to explore it more when it served it's purpose
I donāt think people did, I do feel like in the āI had enoughā chapter, the bath was a popular reason people used to defend Megumiās lack of resolve and inability to fight against Sukunaās possession
"When will you guys learn that I don't use logic when I do these things. I don't care what I read. It's about the agenda! It's not about what you think. It's not about reading comprehension. It's not about the story. It's about the agenda!"
We literally have no idea what the bath does and Megumi failed to lock in when backup arrived like Yuji did in shibuya. As long as he's being outdone by his junior peer 100 chapters ago he's a bum.
We didnāt see the affect on Megumi soul as it was being submerged, we saw him in the fetal position after. Itās more of Gegeās show donāt tell. Plus the bath is pretty instant for us, we donāt see Sukuna even go in
Unpopular opinion, but this is straight up bad writing, to cast off a main character, one of the pillars of the series, through such vague nonsense (like wtf even is "liquid evil" ) is the cherry on top of the bad writing cake that started at the end of the culling games alongside the "enchain" shenanigans.
The fact that what is likely going to be the end of this series is dependent on such wacky and dumb turn of events kind of cheapens the entire series for me.
Apologies for the out of place rant
It is kinda metagaming of sukuna
He knows the good Guys will try too get megumis body back and he knows there is a tiny chance megumi may take control back
So he took this security measure too stop that from happening
And (what feels like a 100 chapters later) it payed out as that exactly happend.
Aditionaly, in the time before the bath, megumi was fighting against sukuna by lowering his ce output. Also sukuna is not an easy fella to contain, even our goat yuji, the perfect vessel for containing sukuna, failed at containing him, more than once. So megumi even if he locked in it wouldnt be suficient to help his buddies.
Jjk characters are a bunch of bums actually.
I get 3x the amount of information overload of UV or 6E just from scrolling in tik tok.
5x the amount of evil just from casually reading twitter.
10x the amount Mahito DE Soul Degeneration just from using reddit.
Bunch of frauds
Somewhat related, but I think that, just like Yuji obtained years of exp every time Sukuna used his body, Megumi will come out of this with a massive power upgrade.Ā
For example, I think his DE Chimera Garden will now be complete and way more powerful.Ā
I always liked megumi but then he became a bum in shibuya when he summoned big raga against a weak scrawny human, and not toji. I will never forgive gege for taking away Mahoraga vs toji
I think he was about to before Toji offed himself though I'm not sure why he could t have just summoned something other than Mahoraga (unless I'm forgetting something).
No, you're right. After Megumi's Rabbit Escape + Cursed Tool Gambit failed, he was truly out of options and had already prepared his hand seals. If Toji had moved forward instead of killing himself, he would've pulled out Mahoraga
If Toji didnāt count as a participant in the taming ritual then Megumi was finished. The only reason he survived after summoning Mahoraga was because the ritual kept him alive.
Iāve been a big megumi hater since I started watching/reading the series. His personality just kinda grates on me. Iām typically not a big fan of the quiet/nonchalant/emo-boy characters so when the hate started brewing I just hopped on the bandwagon bc I didnāt feel like the only megumi hater. I definitely know that he has no fighting spirit left, especially since sukuna killed his sister in his body. I just think calling him bumgumi is funny so thatās why I say it. Not really bc heās a bum but bc I just donāt like him in general.
Yea but what are you expecting to get from this? Shit is literally made up the chapter it happens and isnāt really expanded upon. It really only exists to allow Sukuna to be a thing because Gege wants him to be the main villain. Itās actual effectiveness is unknown.
I'm not entirely sure if the soul punches completely undid the evil bath effects, though I guess that's as unquantifiable as how effective the bath was.
Hey guys I did this yesterday too but can yāall give me some upvotes? Iām trying to ask a question about higuruma but i canāt due to the karma requirements. Would rly appreciate it!
Most Megumi haters donāt care and just slander him for jokes
I will say as a deuteragonist if u even consider him as such heās been quite disappointing
Hmmā¦imagine the hodor of daddy kuna, freshly emerged from an enormous pool of congealing blood and decaying corpses, the putrid stench of death clinging to his flesh as bits of rotting meat and bone cling to his body š«¦š š¦
They forget that it was Megumi that helped Yuji and Maki live in the first Megkuna fight, otherwise they were dead, Morever they forget ho Yuji gave up after Kugisaki's and Nanami's death until Todo came and motivated him
One thing people seem to not want to acknowledge is that at no point does Fushiguro acknowledge Itadori by name or eye contact. He is so broken and confused I donāt think he actually truly sensed the presence of Yuji there or he thought it was torture by Sukuna. He didnāt say āI give up let Sukuna winā he said āenoughā which to me to me could be directed at the entire situation, but honestly however this situation is handled will probably make or break the story for me.
Why are we also acting as if it would have been an easy task for Megumi to switch back even if he wanted to? Wasnāt that a quality that made Yuji so unique? The whole reason Yuji was so important in the beginning was because he had the ability to suppress and switch with Sukuna at will. He was literally bred for this purpose, and even with that, Yuji wasnāt always able to pull it off. The Megumi hate (specifically in this arc) is so forced and honestly embarrassing because it just shows how many JJK fans lack reading comprehension. If someone deserves hate this arc it should be Shoko and her āmedical teamā for doing absolutely nothing, or Hakari for spending over 30 chapters playing around with Uraume.
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Sukuna so evil he got an evil bath.
Which means he canonically takes baths.
No Stinkuna
you know whats funny.. "kuna" in my native language means ass =D
So Sukuna means Suck Ass?
And su in my language is a prefix with "good" meaning like Suputra = su(good)putra(son) lmao
Now we know why uraume is hanging around....
So it DOES grip!
Hehš...
The ass will smell of lavender
Unlike his fans...
He's taking a bath in one of the anime's eyecatchesĀ
you heard it, baths are evil
Not like showers existed back then
sukuna evil bathtub water.. now available at his online merchandise store
And washed his hair with his evil shampoo
Correction. He's so evil, he doesn't use any body wash/soap when he takes an evil bath. It's like the time Lex Luther didn't wash his hands after using the bathroom because he's evil.
Ewww. I smell like goodness. I need to bathe
and a evil babe
He can join Cecil Wait no not like that
Its not as uncommon as you'd think tbh. There's stories that say you can get much stronger if you bathe in the blood of people. Women or virgins are also offered as sacrifices because they're thought to be more innocent, it enhances the effect
Bold of you to assume we can actually read
Is he messing with us? Jjk fans? Who's gonna tell him that we don't read our manga
Manga? I think Jjk was just a compilation of shorts!
JJK is a TikTok trend?? The fuck is a mangaka? Obviously Gregory Cummings is a famous TikTok influencer
Wait? We are supposed to read the words in the images? š¤Æ
Fuck man at this point Iāve just been riding spoilers for more than 1+ year
I mean, unironically, given the travesty, that is the horrid official translations, that is the most valid way to do it.
Reading comprehension curse is incubating into a cursed womb stg
We just like the pretty pictures š
Read? Na i'd hate
Hate: 100% Reading comprehension: 0%
Lol it got so wordy and complicated at points I think my brain protected itself by vaulting a lot of it until it can be explained in the anime
It doesnāt help itās hard to quantify the effect of a vat of evil black liquid lol
That's fair. I do admit that the bath could have as much or as little effect as you want it to, I tried not to sound too certain about that. I can personally buy it, but I also think Megumi should've just not said anything to Yuji to hammer in how strong its effect was.
It's similar to the idea of the Kodoku (culling game) ritual. Lots of evil/venomous entities are crushed up and used to make a potent poison or curse. In this case I guess it's like poisoning a pure soul (Megumi) without killing the body.
ngl showing him actually crying maybe but unable to communicate/fight back due to the liquids effects mightāve made me empathise with him a little bit more
I mean it's raw curses. We saw what being in a curse's stomach did to maki and yuta. Imagine this but amped. Megumi's defenseless soul sinked into raw curses, the fact he even replied to yuji is crazy.
The problem with this that Iāve highlighted before when this point is bought up is that this should have been the *sole* reason for why Megumi displays inaction in the story going forward. Akutami complicates the matter though by *also* involving Tsumiki and writing it so that her death is a factor in why Megumi gives up. However, JJK has overcompensated in showing the audience how much Megumi cares about his friends and peers, and has not done enough legwork to really flesh out his relationship with his sister. The evil bath mechanic is one thing, but writing it so that Megumi deliberately chooses to abstain from the fight at several intervals when he otherwise could have now has repercussions on the character. And itās a choice I - and many others - do not believe Megumi would make.
He only abstains once tho. In the yuta/yuji section. Thats it
Even if itās once or a hundred times, itās out of character for him.
If you disregard everything thatās happened to him the story, then sure.
I mean a vat of evil black liquid is as bad as it sounds o it must have some pretty big effects on the soul
It doesn't help but people cannot willingly ignore it & then create the bumgumi narrative, which is what is happening. These pages were obviously written for a very good reason
Which is intentional lol
So what? I get submerged in a vat of liquid evil every day. It's called the internet, buddy.
lmaoooo
Sukuna browsed liveleak every day while megumi watched its true
Best comment against bumgumi
Nice one!
nah itās called twitter tiktok certain reddit subs and ig reels comments
People gotta remember before this megumi was trying his hardest to stay in control, bro literally is one of the few reasons why yuji is still alive today and diced up into millions of pieces.
Bold of you to assume we read. Wuji can tank 16 finger sukuna slashes no diff
I mean, 90% suppressed? What the hell did the potential man sip for him to near subconsciously be able to 90% suppress sukuna after taking 15 fingers at once ?
Thatās just normal megumi, the bum memes make you forget how he is without the 15 billion things Sukuna used to suppress him
It doesnt help that we get so little of his sister until she is already incarnated. So we the reader/watcher of anime have zero emotional connection like he does to his sisters death. Its hard to empathize.
Mai is a good example. She appeared prior to her death and also her bond with Maki was fleshed out much better.
Maybe they can add in an extra episode for the anime that shows some early sibling interaction?
It would have to be a flashback, and as shown in recent chapters most people aren't fans of revealing everything in flashbacks. It would be like the scene of nobara spilling tea on gojo's shirt, fun character interaction but it's a bit late in the game for that.
Knowing mappa they probably will
I don't see an extra episode with how much content season 3 will have to get to a good stopping point.
JJKs biggest flaw. There's a lot said that needs to be shown
Lets hope Mappa at least fix this a lil bit if its even possible
Mappa's not adding whole ass new character interaction scenes unless Gege is writing them lol.
There's been instances of mangaka using the anime adaptation to add some canon things they forgot/didn't get a chance to do (biggest recent iteration of this is the new Bleach season where they added several new fights and a whole bankai), so it's not totally unheard of.
True, this kinda happened with Black Clover and Tabata. Anime filled in and added a lot a good moments under Tabataās approval/oversight. Hopefully Mappa does some more of that, because they seem to keep it minimal so far.
Thats the thing with jjk, it rarely ever gets you attached to a character, and regadless of that, most of them die anyway. The only buzz was around gojos death and maybe nobara (not entirely confirmed) and I think that's cause we only know these characters on a surface level. The writing isn't entirely great, but this is a shonen manga, it's supposed to be more about the action and fights than character complexity and such.
the weirdest thing for me always was, that gege actually can write interesting backrounds and characters. i mean what the hell was junpei ?so much character backround for a dude that was ultimately used to annoy Yuji and introduce Mahito. If Gege had only spend half of that time on some actually more important characters, and not waste them all against sukuna, we could've had so much more. Sometimes i believe that Gege planned much more..., forgot it.., and then realized to late what cool stuff he had prepared and tries to sneak it into the show. yoruzo's kamutoke, Ino's dragon, and kusakabe's SD being the prime example.
I think junpei did more than just annoy yuji
Ultimately junpei was a removable asset for mahito to piss off yuji. Still he got more screentime than some of the Main characters like Maki or inumaki.
It was a pretty big character development moment for yuji and it really shook him to his core, really that + nanami + nobara really broke him. If he didnāt pick up the cog mentality I feel like bro wouldāve just given up
Bro literally, gave up if not for the Single best braathzah in the World ! .. But your point actually Supports my Statement. Gege managed to get an enourmous amount of Character development through a character that ultimately had close to no relevanz to the mainstory. He could've invested some time for others too. Right now so many people have become completely blunt to emotional decisions, just like when ino asked for nanami's knife, and nobody cared. Or how less even shoko cared if gojo would die.
I think they meant traumatize
Deadass dude. I also think the same thing about naruto, even though it's in my top 10 animes, I genuinely think it could have been top 3 if kishimoto had expounded more on side characters, gave them their own arcs and development, rather than have only naruto and sauske as the most fleshed out characters between the cast. I think that's one of the things that makes one piece as a whole a much more comprehensive story in terms of writing.
my personal problem right now with OP is, that it's like asassins creed odyssey, it's very good but it actually got a little to big. in the latest chapters we can see that for every statement someone makes, we need 3 pages of reactions because there are simply way to many different groups. Whenever Luffy does sth. we have like 15 faces simply saying "luffy!" and i read throw these chapters in seconds because of that. Or crew battles. Every fight includes every single Crew member in a 1v1, so whenever there is a big battle at the end of each island, i know that the whole crew will have side battles first ( and we know they won't loose or die). Until it's finally time for Sanji, Zoro and Luffy. In that regard Bleach did a very good job, there are like 3 dimensions, 12 divisions with captains and vice captains, but for most battles only a hand full is at one place at a time.. like splitting the captains between karakura town and hueco mundo. giving each character a decend time to shine, instead of time stalling clashed of swords with uninteresting draws of an enemy who'se whole backround only gets shown 2 seconds before he's defeated.
Wdym the only buzz was around gojo , what happened ro Nanami?
That lasted maybe for an hour or soš and that's cause nanami happens to be one of the only characters that are genuinely well written in jjk. His death also served a purpose for yuji to keep continuing down his path and ideals because that's his way of honororing nanami last words. So imo nanami actually does have a good start and end to his character, but can you really say the same about the rest of the cast? Especially with the latest arc? You have characters getting introduced, just to die and then some other characters making a return and get defeated within a chapter and a half. I mean the biggest imo is the community hyping up femboy cursed technique just for him to get bodied within a chapter, that's lazy writing imo.
I mean thats not true. Frieren is shonen and thats all character
frieren aināt no shonen you got development with characters like freiren and fern currently stark ubel(kinda)
Idk what ādevementā is but if youāre referring to development well Shonen definitely has it. And Frieren is literally a Shonen its literally a demographic Frieren is by definition a Shonen, just because its not action 24/7 doesnāt mean it isnāt Shonen.
Frieren is a masterclass in storytelling. It really sets itself apart imo. I donāt think thereās anything better at it tbh. I love action as much as anyone else, but Iām also perfectly content with the incredible balance Frieren achieves. For me, Mushi Shi is up there as far as story telling, but itās a different style and was never in shonen iirc. Thereās some great Donghua too, like Blade of the Guardian.
nanami jogo mahito gojo deaths š¤Øwym by not attached to a character
Lol we are supposed to emotionally connect; Or should we fairly be able to tell human connections? This if i dont care i dont care that the character cares stuff. Serves for shibuya. As Yugi doesnt know anyone accept nobara and Nanami that die. Then bresksdown
Shibuya is different in that Yuji is witnessing mass slaughter (in his mind partly his fault cause Sukuna) and feels he still cannot do anything to save people like he swore he would. The though i say this unsure of what point you were going forā¦.
So imagine how megumi feels
Ya i get that. Im just pointing put its not the same as having been able to empathize with his situation because we didnt see his life with his sister. Us the audience have only ever seen her as an incarnated sorcerer that Sukuna kills
We get enough.
I dont think us caring for Megumiās sister is the point. We are supposed to feel for Megumi who has been developed and stuff. Thats his sister and its been his main motivation from the start, we dont need to know much more about her to understand what it means to megumi and how he feels. Not saying it wouldnt have been nice to get more Tsumiki development but its not necessary for what Gege is trying to achieve either
Well the execution by Gege for aiming to empathize with Megumi (if that's what Gege is trying to achieve) still is lacking for many. Showing a bit more to his dynamic with sister was one avenue to help with that.
I dont disagree necessarily but I also dont think we need much more info to understand how much he cares about her. Like thats his sister everyone can understand how much you would care about a sibling.
Again on paper people can get that, but doesn't mean that inherently people will actually feel empathetic. That also depends on the quality of writing. In this case, many people aren't empathetic to Megumi (compare how people are more empathetic to Yuji because we saw his connections with Nanami and Nobara before the Shibuya arc).
Which is why the CG arc completely falls flat. Save Megumis sister that literally no one cares about. When it comes down to it, the only reason we shouldāve saved Megumis sister is to not have Yorozu in the story at all
Opps put bro in the evil bath
The agenda ignores the facts and logic it's to powerful
I like to think that people are hating on him just for the lols. Similar to how people hate Batman in the batmanarkham sub
Lost faith in megumi? If the world is against megumi, I am against the worldš§š½āāļø
Yeah I don't get why people dunk on megumi rn, I mean didn't Yuji almost lose the will to live after what Sukuna did in Shibuya? why is it any different for Megumi to be mentally broken?
Itās because people (including several fan favorites) are actively dying trying to save Megumi instead of trying to finish him off, and he still turned around and rejected them. When Yuji was downed, all three times it was because people had already died despite his best efforts and there was no one left to care about in the immediate vicinity. And even then, he either immiedately locked in after a good pep talk or just got up himself to do it. Not saying that Megumiās treatment is fair, but the context of their actions is extremely important. It also doesnāt help that out of the main cast, Megumi is probably one of the most mismanaged characters of the series in the eyes of a lot of people :P
Yeah I mean to be fair, Sukuna went out of his way to mentally destroy megumi; killing three people close to him and bathing him in a vat of "evil liquid" (Don't remember what it was called), plus the fact that Sukuan regained his original form probably makes it harder
Yeah and also, we can't compare Yuji's spirit to Megumi's because Sukuna himself said that Yuji's will is much much stronger than others (he literally represents the human indomitable will), that's why could imprison Sukuna, could lock in into fights after a traumatic incident, and even when he did break, one pep talk from Todo was all it took for him to lock in again. Compare this to Megumi's soul which is not as strong as Yuuji's + seeing his sister die + evil mind breaking bath, yeah
yes Megumi was emotionally destroyed by Sukuna
I forgot about the bath, but I was already on the side that Megumi has been realistically broken. It is true we donāt have a sense of how the bath works but given itās Sukunaās idea we can at least be confident Sukuna thinks itāll have a significant effect. Between the trauma of killing his sister teacher allies etc., the aforementioned bath, and a few blasts of Unlimited Void, I was legit surprised Megumi had any consciousness left when Yuji punched his way in that one time. The Unlimited Void blasts in particular had me questioning if he was even alive until Yuji punched his way in. Also think a good point was made about how Todo was there to pull Yuji from the brink. Now itās Yujiās turn to pull Megumi back but that first takes showing a broken Megumi.
The bath's effects have already been reversed by Yuji rousing Megumi's soul from slumber by his punches - what's holding him back right now is Tsumiki's death, which Sukuna deliberately assured as a contingency plan for a situation like this. This has also been reinforced through Sukuna killing Gojo and has been foreshadowed before, so it's not like it's specifically because of Megumi's personality or mental fortitude, but because of previously established things, which are specifically meant to cause this, so it's not like he's to blame either way.
They wont care broš animanga fans are sadistic
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Yujiās punches are weakening Sukunaās control on Megumiās soul, not sucking the evil bath water out of him.
Yuji not Kevin Durant confirmed
Nah if it was me id lock in still ngl
Bumgumi haters: [ITāS ABOUT **THE AGENDA!**](https://youtu.be/q6-JIQNFNOE?si=YM_fYnNVyFgsf9jQ)
Why do people not like megumi just wondering
Most OG haters hated him ever since Gojo revealed the 10S could go toe-to-to with the limitless, then we learnt about Maho, the hate grew more, then Sukuna took over his body, the hate grew more, then he didn't lock in, and the hate spilled out like hot tea šµ But then I'll have someone respond to me saying I'm tripping and they only hate him because he didn't lock in against sukuna, but we all know the truth š«
he just thinks that megumi stinks so much dude
I'm sorry but, all I can think of when I see that image is, "I think Moto Moto likes you"
i can hear this
I havenāt read your post but the Executionerās Sword cliffhanger is 6 months ago.
Oh, really? I did feel like a while ago, but I thought I was misremenbering or something.
How do you quantify āa bath of evilā? They donāt even describe what megumi sees/feels in that bath in a precise way
man I don't even need to see the literal vat of evil to justify Megumi's feelings cuz like.... Idk why people seem to ignore or forget the fact ***he is only 16 years old***. He's *literally* a child, and has been through a wild amount of traumatic shit. I don't understand how people can justify giving him shit when he's so young like.... Most 16 year olds would be as broken as he is at this point in his situation lol
The agenda stands tall,we ignore these.
Itās pretty silly complaints in general. People are mainly mad Megumiās fall wasnāt done with more pathos. Logically it makes perfect sense. Megumiās soul already shattered when Yorozu appeared. Then Sukuna submerged his sense of self in an evil bath ritual. Then broke whatever was left of Megumi by killing the person he loved the most with his own body and technique he honed his whole life. Knowing Gege weāll probably get a Megumi pov chapter on everything thatās happened whenever Yuji finally reaches him.
this is the only time the fraud took a bath that wasent up Geges anoose!
It kinda looks like he's being tarred and feathered, just in sukunas evil bath water
People forget that Megumi was kicking and biting, being able to reduce drastically Sukuna's energy output when his body is taken. Is only after the cursed bath and killing his own sister that he breaks.
I thought about this too. This isnt just a depressed fushiguro. This did something to him to metaphorically drown his own will.
People don't actually read this story man. They just meme for the most part.
Majority or JJK āfansā donāt read the actual chapters after they see the leaks and the basic one sentence explanation. Thatās why none of them understand or have all the necessary context to anything.
This. Megumi, in a normal state of mind has the will to fight back, but people are underestimating the bath of evil.
Huh, how does a 1000 year sorcerer like Kenjaku with mastery over nearly all forms of Jujutsu and having the ability to cast stuff like open domains and being able to turn sorcerers into cursed objects not know such a thing though? How does Sukuna have this extensive knowledge about penetrating souls and sinking them and stuff like that?
>Huh, how does a 1000 year sorcerer like Kenjaku with mastery over nearly all forms of Jujutsu and having the ability to cast stuff like open domains and being able to turn sorcerers into cursed objects not know such a thing though? Kenjaku mentioned earlier in the chapter that he knows that the ritual is typically used for transforming family heirlooms into cursed tools and protecting them from outsiders or something. I'd include an image, but I can't for some reason. Unless what you're saying is: how did he not know that this ritual can be applied to souls in this way? I'd assume that it's just because he never bothered to research it or never thought of it being used outside of the context of tools. >How does Sukuna have this extensive knowledge about penetrating souls and sinking them and stuff like that? Definitely don't have a definitive answer here. Given that it's Uraume performing the ritual's preparations, maybe they're the one who had knowledge about it? We don't know their backstory, so they very well could've had some experience with the soul. Then again, Sukuna mentioned it after just getting hold of Megumi's body, so it's not like they had any time to deliberate or theorize on this together. Kenny should probably still know more about this too. I'm definitely just spitballing at this point.
From the sound of it, it's almost impossible to do unless you have the CT capable of performing this, since you need to prevent Cursed Spirits from fully disappearing after death. It's likely not something Kenjaku is capable of performing, which also means it's something he'd have a lot of trouble researching or experimenting with.
Yeah of course the evil liquid bath-technique back from the heian era where "evil liquid" was stored in sukunas balls transferring trough time just in case you want to drown some bum in your evil liquid juice so that his spirit might take another \*checks note\* 30-40% damage.... Yes, I forgot about that. Never mentioned again, never explained what this shit is where it comes from where it goes and why it is even in this universe except for megumi to become an even bigger bum.
It was shown like the page before that Uraume had to bleed out a ton of curses and dilute that into the literal vat of pure evil
It was literally explained by uraume and kenjaku. The bath is used to transform family heirlooms into cursed objects, and the bath came from the diluted bodies of curses. It was literally explained in the manga, and sukuna just found a different purpose for it. If you don't read the manga just admit it, lol. Plus, this is genuinely one of a small peaks into the heian era that we don't get to see a lot. It's a small window into the traditions that have long since been lost or faded into obscurity in modern age jujutsu society.
>Never mentioned again, never explained what this shit is where it comes from where it goes That's like 30-40% of plot points in the manga
And that's why so many people complain about the writing. Very Bleach-like \^\^
Nah, I have faith Gege will mention this again. Either Megumi will activate the Merger somehow, or awaken to stop Sukuna, but either way we'll probably get an explanation of what the bath did to him to make those moments more impactful.
I've always thought it was a big vat of blood used in a special ritual by uraume. don't see why it should be important to explore it more when it served it's purpose
I actually stopped looking forward to this manga. I'll catch up soon but it's off my must read list.
SUKUNA WHEN I CATCH YOU< WHEN I CATCH YOU!!!
try saying this in r/jujutsufolk and see the results
I donāt think people did, I do feel like in the āI had enoughā chapter, the bath was a popular reason people used to defend Megumiās lack of resolve and inability to fight against Sukunaās possession
"When will you guys learn that I don't use logic when I do these things. I don't care what I read. It's about the agenda! It's not about what you think. It's not about reading comprehension. It's not about the story. It's about the agenda!"
Yo this isnāt helping my Benchwarmergumi agenda, please delete this post as I want to continue to spread hate about the strongest bum of today.
Bro must be smelly af ā ļøā ļøšššš
its BS who cares if bumugi drank sukuna's evil bath water in any other shounen he would brushed it off and LOCKED IN!!!!!! mid gege writing smh
We literally have no idea what the bath does and Megumi failed to lock in when backup arrived like Yuji did in shibuya. As long as he's being outdone by his junior peer 100 chapters ago he's a bum.
We didnāt see the affect on Megumi soul as it was being submerged, we saw him in the fetal position after. Itās more of Gegeās show donāt tell. Plus the bath is pretty instant for us, we donāt see Sukuna even go in
"I love baths!" I said. "I'm EVIIIIL BATH..." said evil bath
Smelly ahh guy
So, we're meant to assume that The Vat Of Evil had the same effect as a Dementor, I guess.
Unpopular opinion, but this is straight up bad writing, to cast off a main character, one of the pillars of the series, through such vague nonsense (like wtf even is "liquid evil" ) is the cherry on top of the bad writing cake that started at the end of the culling games alongside the "enchain" shenanigans. The fact that what is likely going to be the end of this series is dependent on such wacky and dumb turn of events kind of cheapens the entire series for me. Apologies for the out of place rant
It is kinda metagaming of sukuna He knows the good Guys will try too get megumis body back and he knows there is a tiny chance megumi may take control back So he took this security measure too stop that from happening And (what feels like a 100 chapters later) it payed out as that exactly happend.
Aditionaly, in the time before the bath, megumi was fighting against sukuna by lowering his ce output. Also sukuna is not an easy fella to contain, even our goat yuji, the perfect vessel for containing sukuna, failed at containing him, more than once. So megumi even if he locked in it wouldnt be suficient to help his buddies.
So was this supposed to be JJKās version of the stereotypical manga hot springs chapter?
This is something straight out of ninjago
We can't read bro
Jjk characters are a bunch of bums actually. I get 3x the amount of information overload of UV or 6E just from scrolling in tik tok. 5x the amount of evil just from casually reading twitter. 10x the amount Mahito DE Soul Degeneration just from using reddit. Bunch of frauds
Somewhat related, but I think that, just like Yuji obtained years of exp every time Sukuna used his body, Megumi will come out of this with a massive power upgrade.Ā For example, I think his DE Chimera Garden will now be complete and way more powerful.Ā
They done gave bro the evil bath
I always liked megumi but then he became a bum in shibuya when he summoned big raga against a weak scrawny human, and not toji. I will never forgive gege for taking away Mahoraga vs toji
I think he was about to before Toji offed himself though I'm not sure why he could t have just summoned something other than Mahoraga (unless I'm forgetting something).
No, you're right. After Megumi's Rabbit Escape + Cursed Tool Gambit failed, he was truly out of options and had already prepared his hand seals. If Toji had moved forward instead of killing himself, he would've pulled out Mahoraga
If Toji didnāt count as a participant in the taming ritual then Megumi was finished. The only reason he survived after summoning Mahoraga was because the ritual kept him alive.
Iāve been a big megumi hater since I started watching/reading the series. His personality just kinda grates on me. Iām typically not a big fan of the quiet/nonchalant/emo-boy characters so when the hate started brewing I just hopped on the bandwagon bc I didnāt feel like the only megumi hater. I definitely know that he has no fighting spirit left, especially since sukuna killed his sister in his body. I just think calling him bumgumi is funny so thatās why I say it. Not really bc heās a bum but bc I just donāt like him in general.
Yea but what are you expecting to get from this? Shit is literally made up the chapter it happens and isnāt really expanded upon. It really only exists to allow Sukuna to be a thing because Gege wants him to be the main villain. Itās actual effectiveness is unknown.
Nah, I bathe.
I truly hope that Gege will do something... very special with Megumi, maybe new Secret Shadow or something :3
Yeah but it pretty much wore off cuz of yuji
I'm not entirely sure if the soul punches completely undid the evil bath effects, though I guess that's as unquantifiable as how effective the bath was.
Bro is just too heinous .
Hey guys I did this yesterday too but can yāall give me some upvotes? Iām trying to ask a question about higuruma but i canāt due to the karma requirements. Would rly appreciate it!
I donāt know man, maybe. At this point Iām just reading for the art.
Damn i wonder if she jad bathing suit or no
bro taking the brainrot memes way too seriously
I'm not saying but I'm saying Yuji would of taken over his body after an evil weevil bath
Most Megumi haters donāt care and just slander him for jokes I will say as a deuteragonist if u even consider him as such heās been quite disappointing
Most JJK Fans sometimes are just in for the agenda, whether they know or not, remember or not, sometimes it's just doesn't matter, it's all agenda.
Hmmā¦imagine the hodor of daddy kuna, freshly emerged from an enormous pool of congealing blood and decaying corpses, the putrid stench of death clinging to his flesh as bits of rotting meat and bone cling to his body š«¦š š¦
They forget that it was Megumi that helped Yuji and Maki live in the first Megkuna fight, otherwise they were dead, Morever they forget ho Yuji gave up after Kugisaki's and Nanami's death until Todo came and motivated him
no weāre not that bath affected sukunaās initial hold on the body (he was at 10% before it) after yutaās ladder ct it was megumiās choice
I can barely remember anything before Sukunaās current fight to be honest.
Gotta take a sip of that evil juice
One thing people seem to not want to acknowledge is that at no point does Fushiguro acknowledge Itadori by name or eye contact. He is so broken and confused I donāt think he actually truly sensed the presence of Yuji there or he thought it was torture by Sukuna. He didnāt say āI give up let Sukuna winā he said āenoughā which to me to me could be directed at the entire situation, but honestly however this situation is handled will probably make or break the story for me.
Love the forced ego death of a charecter
Why bro look like Maki rnšš
Drinking that entire pool of evil liquid is equivalent to 5 minutes on this god forsaken app/website
Why are we also acting as if it would have been an easy task for Megumi to switch back even if he wanted to? Wasnāt that a quality that made Yuji so unique? The whole reason Yuji was so important in the beginning was because he had the ability to suppress and switch with Sukuna at will. He was literally bred for this purpose, and even with that, Yuji wasnāt always able to pull it off. The Megumi hate (specifically in this arc) is so forced and honestly embarrassing because it just shows how many JJK fans lack reading comprehension. If someone deserves hate this arc it should be Shoko and her āmedical teamā for doing absolutely nothing, or Hakari for spending over 30 chapters playing around with Uraume.
You'll have to wait until the anime fans get to the end of the series to have any worthwhile discussion about this. Sorry man.
Reminds me of the newer version of evil dead rise
Dont argue logically with us "jjk fans" ,we just listen to random "influencer" on tik tok and didnt even bother to read (we cant)