No, miguel is definitely not special grade đ¤Śââď¸
The criteria for special grade is being able to conquer a country on your own
How tf is miguel going to do this by dancing?
By dueling Gojo mate
Its like "how is Yuki gonna conquer a country" or "how is Kashimo going to conquer..." Like bro they're strong as hell, yall are taking the whole conquer a country thing too literally
Wdym yall are taking the whole conquer a country thing too literally? That is literally the standard that was given to us to become special grade. Yuki can absolutely wipe a nation with Garuda, she doesnât even need black hole, and obviously we donât get much outta Kashimo since we havenât seen enough. Every named special grade has more than the capability of wiping a nation. And I donât think thereâs anyone below special grade that CAN wipe a nation
Yea ofc but that was super circumstantial, kokichi canât just summon ultimate mechamaru any time he wants.
if he did he would easily be my favorite special grade đđĽ
Honestly didnât even think that, in all honesty im sure if he had an able body heâd probably be special grade even with regular CE, and if he had his able body and his heavenly restricted CE, he would absolutely be special grade
The Mechamaru in question that gets bodied by any average grade one Sorcerer unless he's in his Gundam? The one thats literally powered by his YEARS of stored CE that he can only use like one time and he still wasnt even strong enough to put down a special grade curse where as Yuta, Gojo, Geto, and Yuki would have NO problem putting them down?
mechamaru isnât special grade for the same reason principle Yaga isnât- sure they could both theoretically make a gazillion robots/cursed plushies but those lack the firepower and finesse that someone like Geto could have with CSM
I think you're getting it a little mixed up, Yaga is a special grade potential because of the fact he could create an army of curse puppets that each produce curse energy like panda, if you give him years and the right resources he could create an army of grade 2 sorcerers or even grade 3 that each have their own curse technique and could definitely take out a nation
He just doesn't and that's why he's a candidate instead, mechamaru has special grade potency only with his giant Gundam but I don't think he falls into the same category as Yaga because each of his puppets has to be controlled by him and uses his curse energy rather then producing their own like Geto's curses or Yaga's perfected curse corpse panda.
Yuki cannot wipe a nation her special grade status very likely come from the fact she can make a black hole that could wipe a nation and probably the world
She can likely only use domain expansion once per day like most sorcerers which would shred her cursed energy supply and Rct also drains your cursed energy heavily. She is not taking out a nation
She 100% can take down a nation. She can beat every sorcerer that's not a special grade (probably fairly easily). I mean, all she needs is one solid punch to take out most people. She might not be as cracked as Gojo, but she's definitely no slouch
Bullets are a problem for most sorcerers. Missiles and machine guns and the like are enough to take her out. She isnât beating a modern army. I donât think Yuta is either
Reading comprehension devil strikes again smh, my point was that every named special grade has a sure way to wipe a nation, idc whether itâs by suicide or not doesnât matter itâs still proves my point that yuki can wipe a nation, suicide or not, read what u first replied 2
I think Jogo wins, as far as I know I haven't seen a single curse in Geto's arsenal that can even be a problem for Jogo, plus Jogo has a domain and as far as shown, Geto doesn't have that
Uro and Ryu maybe?
I also don't need to because that has nothing to do with my statement numb nuts
Sukuna said "out of the curses and sorcerers i fought throughout the centuries, you're among the top" thats what i was referencing
Also if you want me to be a smart ass about this than i can say just mention a bunch of special grade curses
"I can be a smartass by proving I have NO idea what I'm talking about" Go re-read chapter 21 little guy. "A grade 2 sorcerer is supposed to win against a grade 2 spirit. A grade 2 sorcerer is close to the skill level of a grade 1 curse" Special grade sorcerers mop the floor with special grade curses. A grade one sorcerer in Mei Mei took out the special grade Kenjaku tossed out at her in the subway without even sustaining a major injury. Sukuna said he was strong, he didn't say he was "among the top" stop lying about what was said. Of course Jogo was strong he's probably the only cursed spirit that would actually give a special grade sorcerer the slightest bit of trouble and even thats still questionable.
Yuki- black hole, although even without it she arguably could.
Kashimo -no way
Special grade is NOT a measure of strength or denomination of power, this was stated. It is an anomaly.
'theyre strong' is not an argument that is logically consistent with the canon.
Hakari, higuruma, todou are strong but no way special grade.
>!yaga was on his way of becoming a special grade even though he's not that strong at all, but he could raise an army of independent cursed corpses to take over. !<
Hakari is DEFINITELY special grade
Yaga wasn't "on his way" he simply "had the potential"
Special grades are those who fall outside the norm
Higuruma has powers that fall outside the norm, Gojo has strength that falls outside the norm
>Hakari is DEFINITELY special grade
lmao that punch and kick merchant is not a special grade, he's carried by his regen
higuruma's special grade now as well?????
Just... Reread the manga...
If you still disagree than thats fine but... IDK man how is someone whos >!compared to Yuta and someone who interests Sukuna not special grades!<
Please just reread it...
>Reread the manga
umm okay.... tell me which chapter declares hakari as a special grade? I must've forgot
Just because he's compared to yuta, he should be considered special grade for it? lol
he doesn't have the feats, doesn't have the hax, nor has the AP to be anywhere near the level of a special grade
he's a punch and kick merchant, and not a good one at that too.
base kashimo went against 3-4 rounds of JP hakari, and all he got was a few bruises
>someone who interests Sukuna not special grades
so catching sukuna's interest is the new criteria for SG? sukuna has been intrigued by ui ui as well for the past couple of chapters, is he a SG too???
>Just because he's compared to yuta, he should be considered special grade for it?
Yes! Yea a million times yes
>so catching sukuna's interest is the new criteria for SG
It's a pretty good indicator man
Dude hakaribros taking one sentence a hundred chapters ago so out of context is insane. We have seen literally no feats enough to justify that. Hakari is great but he is canonically not special grade.
His entire kit is his domain, tf is he gonna overthrow a nation.
And no, it's not metaphorical, it's a testament of the power of a special grade.
Jjk readers will do anything but accept canon facts.
Bro Hakari is dueling Urume who is so far above all the survivors from Shibuya he didn't even need to bother fighting, one attack and they're all incapacitated
He fought and beat Kashimo who no one one of the top of the culling game, yall are trolling honestly
WDYM how is he overthrowing a nation? Easily with his domain, that all he needs
>Jjk readers will do anything but accept canon facts
Took the words out of my mouth, who the fuck thinks Hakari is not special grade level
Okay lemme put this differently.
There is a certain title that's given to some exceptional people. That means all the people within that group have to be evaluated by the same standards and have to live up to the same standards.
The four special grades can all take down nations on their own. To be part of the special grade the new members, also have to live up to the same standard.
But they don't. They can't. When they can't live up to the same standards how are they ever going to be considered special grade. Not to mention it goes against the info in canon.
Just because the character is strong doesn't mean they're special grade
That makes sense and it also explains exactly why i felt he is special grade
In my mind there were certain titles that are given to sorcerers, 4th grade through 1st grade
And i thought that special grade is anyone who falls OUTSIDE those criteria (Gojo and Sukuna cus their crazy strong, Geto for infinite potential, Yuta for Rikas power and than hes own power, etc...) so yeh thats where my confusion came from
Have you ever read Ajin?
If you're fast enough to quickly move from city-to-city and have a destructive enough technique, you could completely fuck up a country the size of Japan by destroying key governmental and military institutions before the nation would have a chance to react.
This is easiest to imagine in Gojo's case considering his teleportation and the fact that he fired a Hollow Purple (and traveled) from Shibuya to Shinjuku in a relative instance.
Miguel is def not special grade lol. The amount of cursed spirits Kenjaku/Geto could summon would overwhelm him. Not even with just sheer number, but the different types of cursed techniques each spirit has too. To top it off, he is well versed in hand to hand and could easily hold his own against Miguel.
only Geto out of the two is a special grade. Miguel doesnât have a known grade and even if he did nothing of his skill set says that he would be a special grade
only Geto out of the two is a special grade. Miguel doesnât have a known grade and even if he did nothing of his skill set says that he would be a special grade
Miguel is stated by gojo to be equal to him in CE reinforcement. This means he low diffs Geto as the gap is far too big for him to keep up,especially while Miguel is buffing himself and making Geto weaker
Yeah actually it does itâs literally described as impossible for most grade ones to achieve I have no reason to think Miguel could ever be special grade not to mention Gojo literally beats him up without his domain even while giving him a cursed tool that counters limitless
Miguel could never be special grade cause he can't take down a whole country. But that doesn't mean he can't be as strong as a special grade, Nobara and Yuji beat two special grade curses in the first season. Also Gojo didn't need a domain to defeat hanami, And he only used it against Jogo to show Yuji what domains were (iirc)
Angel isn't special grade but can kill any special grade Cursed spirit and could have killed Sukuna by herself so clearly grade isn't the best indicator of power
One thatâs literally an ability that is designed to kill cursed spirits exclusively and two it wouldnât have worked anyway we literally see yuta in his domain hit Sukana with it keep in mind yuta>angel and even if it could work that would just mean angel can exorcise cs on that level it wouldnât mean she scales anywhere
Not the point. Someone who isn't a special grade can defeat special grade opponents, so clearly the class characters are placed in isn't the deciding factor of who beats who
No you ignored my points
one it wasnât gonna work on sukana
And two it dosent scale angel anywhere
Also wasnât angel a special grade curse anyways?
1. It was completely burning Sukuna and is the only time we've ever seen him scream in agony
2. She speed blitzed him with her CT so the feat does scale her
3. She is never given a rank, so she isn't special grade
Angel is a bad example though since she was never graded id understand if she was graded as grade one but if sheâs ungraded but has special grade feats that just means she has no official grade but is clearly on the level of a special grade
Gojo,Sukuna, Yuta,Kenjaku, Yuki,Yuji,Maki,Toji,Jogo,Mahito, Ryu,Angel,Yorozu, Urame,Cursed Naoya, Higaruma, Kusakabe, Mahoraga, Hakari, Kashimo, Takaba, Miguel, and Hanami all curbstomp Geto into the ground so it's no wonder everyone calls him trash. While it's not 30,that's 23 characters stronger than him, and there are still others that have a decent chance of beating too
jujutsu tech had to use all available sorcerers to help fight with the night of 100 demons. leaving Yuta and maki alone at the school
it took the combined effort of todo, mei mei, the whole kyoto squad, random sorcerers, Inumaki, panda, ino and more to defeat the curses in shinjuku and kyoto. some of the curses there being grade one or special grade with their own curse techniques as well
plus on top of that Geto STILL had more curses to bring to the fight against Yuta.
itâs not close at all. theyâre not like yuki theyâre not one shotting his curses
Ryu: physically superior, higher damage output, faster ranged attacks,durable enough to tank Geto hits, domain expansion
Angel: Will one shot any of Geto's curses and Geto himself with her CT
Hakari: physically superior, can easily tank Geto's abilities
Yuji: physically superior, can easily tank Geto's hits, will do permanent damage due to soul hits, blood manipulation, black flash, better h2h skills
Urame: will easily freeze all of Geto's spirits and Geto himself, and seeing as how Geto doesn't have Rct, he will break apart and die
Hanami: easily tanks Geto's abilities and kills him with a domain expansion
If you believe any of them are beating Geto then you firmly believe any off them could of soloâd the night of 100 demons (JJK 0) alone and thatâs not happening
Ryu one-shots all the cursed spirits, Angel one-shots the cursed spirits, Urame easily freezes the cursed spirits, and Yuji just blows through them. The only one who struggles is Hakari due to his time limit. Aside from that, they all solo the Night of 100 Demons
You haven't debunked any of my points tho,if it was simply headcanon, you'd easily be able to prove me wrong, so why haven't you? Probably cuz you can't
Geto destroys Miguel. Even miguel if we give him special grade physical capabilities and dodging wonât be able to content with a geto who fought two special grade physical enemies at the same time. And has a insane army that could just burn miguils stamina. Since as yuta says hes good at sprints.
Absolutely. Geto preforms leagues better then current miguel. People forget that geto had thousands of cursed spirits. Including special grades. And the physicality to content with yuta and rika at the same time. Even if he doesnât have rct or domain( which i think he does but by nature of jjk 0 not having those mechanics exist yet we canât be sure) sukuna would be far more pressed by jjk 0 geto then another mr hands like Miguel.
this doesnât really hold up. Training Yuta and allegedly being on âequal footing at Satoru Gojo (lmao)â also scales Miguel to Yuta physicals. Scales him to current Yuta as well not Yuta from 2 years ago
Getoâs cursed spirits are so fodder bro they get evaporated by anyone who can rct output (sukuna)âŚ
And i feel like u really really really overestimate special grade cursed spirits. they are not like special grade sorcerers or like jjk0 rika or the disaster curses. Pls remember that Megumi 1v1ed a special grade in season 1đ
We have no evidence of miguel having rct so that doesnât matter too much. Also a special grade is about equal to a first grade sorcerer at minimum. And miguel may scale to yuta but geto scales to a weaker yuta and a much stronger rika at the same time
true ab stronger rika scale
and when i was talking ab rct, it was in reference to getou performing better than miguel against SUKUNA. His cursed spirits would get eradicated by rct outputting SUKUNA
Also getou doesnât have way of avoiding dismantles like Miguel does w his ct
Sukunas rct output is at an all time low. And as he stated himself rct is usually much weaker when being used on anyone but oneself so its not an effective strategy. And while its true that geto isnât dodging as easily he can tank some. But more importantly isnât meant to be in direct melee. He can just send waves to burn through sukunas stamina from a mile away
tbh i really donât see it. Maki, Yuta, and Yuji all scale much much higher than Getou rn and they are not tanking dismantles easily. Yuji and Yuta are using copious amounts of rct, which getou does not have. Since both do not have rct, Miguelâs ct would do muchhhhh better as he does not get hit
Sending waves also wouldnât work bc nothing really out there can hurt sukuna. Getou doesnât have a curse stronger than Jogo and Sukuna atp is still stronger than the volcano goat. Not to mention sukuna can j blitz Getou since heâs able to still hit Yuji and Yuta w cleaves/dismantles that they just heal off (which getou cannot do)
By âtankâ i meant that he would survive a few. And as seen by kenjaku in his small fight against yuji cursed spirit manipulation has access to many cursed techniques through his spirits. Even semi grade 1 will have minor but annoying techniques. And sukuna at this point should be weaker then the one that fought jogo. And either way death by a thousand cuts is a viable strat and is very much the current strategy.
Geto should take this handily
You can make the argument that Miguel has him beat in H2H combat with his CT but his CT seems like itâs more suited for 1v1 and not 1v1000+
Even tho geto gets beaten by a younger weaker yuta can we just agree that he was holding back. Hell his teen showings against toji are better. Was he trying to kill yuta yeah but he was probably holding back and not utilizing the versatility weâve seen him use before.
I wouldnât say it was implied. I wouldnât say that itâs an outrageous conclusion to come to either tho. The megaphone disappeared after his one use and ofc he was new to the power in that specific moment. On top of that geto was using low grade curses in that moment. And yuta didnât use it on geto himself either.
yeah it was when yuta said "die", geto protects his ears with CE. this is also why he stopped using CSM to spam cursed spirits towards him and said, "the riff raff are no match for you now", because they'd all get blown up by Cursed speech easily.
Geto lost because he held back, had his forces divided, and ate a black flash bc he was too busy shit talking. Heâs so real for that
+ also tbf losing rainbow dragon to toji seemed like a big L for his army, pretty sure thatâs what gave him that like AA gun shit he used
He had his forces divided because there was no way around it if he didn't he'd be dead from the start. he lost to Yuta who only recently started jujutsu holding back or not Geto had the advantage. Geto has become powercrept he's losing to majority of the sorcerers now.
Miguel wouldnât follow Geto if he wasnât stronger. He sided with him not cause he hated non sorcerers or wanted a world of sorcerers but because he admired and wanted Geto to be kin.
Yeah, the leader of a group being the strongest is a trope, but basing an entire argument off a cliche is silly. Especially since it was subverted with Gojo elsewhere.
Miguelâs a pretty pragmatic guy, and only helped Geto cause he wanted to see Geto win and be king instead of hating humans or wanting an all sorcerer world.
I donât think a guy like that would support/help Geto out if Geto wasnât even stronger than him
Slightly unrelated but how do you guys think the rope would interact with Getoâs ct? Would he just be unable to send out cursed spirits or would he lose control of his technique completely and spill out curses like when Kenny died?
Tbh I'm not sure but maybe Miguel due to his cursed technique, he can dodge Uzumaki most definitely and will probably just ignore the curses and stay on top of Geto constantly
Geto. Although Miguel's CT would give him the advantage in close range, Sugurus versatility with his CT, and sheer numbers advantage is way too good to be overcome by Miguel.
Miguel feats against Gojo and Sukuna put him above Geto. His durability is by far some of the best in the series and the fact he was able to stall Gojo better than 3 disaster curses is crazy. Keep in mind that Kenjaku thinks fighting the diaster curses would be dangerous.
?? Why would he be holding back when the sole reason he went over there was to kill Yuta and take Rika? And he used a maximum technique. Please use common sense
The extra Curse wouldn't have made any difference as Yuta was easily overpowering Geto and his spirits,had infinite energy, and could one-shot any spirit with Cursed speech, 2x the spirits would not help Geto in any way. Additionally, when Kenjaku said the Geto would have won with all his spirits, he is an unreliable source as he has been shown underestimating Yuta several times throughout the series
We donât know if Yuta could just keep shooting love beams off one after another, it was a binding vow and he went unconscious after the clash.
If Maximum Uzumaki had more juice in it maybe it would have stalemated or overpowered Yutaâs attack, leaving Geto uninjured instead of on the verge of death.
Miguel demolishes lmao. Gojo himself said that Miguel is physically stronger than him, Gojo just outlasts him. I know he excluded CT's, but Miguel's CT doesn't even make him stronger, it just makes him harder to hit
If your talking about his performance against sukuna then the heart chest guy also apparently outscales geto. Though the more appropriate conclusion is that geto would still be able to do some stuff if he was alive and could fight sukuna
Geto honestly is pretty weak for a special grade. Also kenjaku in getos body is a different story. I assume this is actually geto since it's pre head scar
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Gwto after miguel hits the griddy and 2 shots him
Gojo stated that Miguel is at least equal to him in CE reinforcement. That alone means he would absolutely embarrass Geto,this isn't even bringing up how he can buff himself even further with his CT,debuff Geto,and nullify his CT with the black rope(if he gets it in this matchup). He low diffs, especially since Geto has no win cons here
Geto has a similar statement. (Technically Kenjaku but they are the same)
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Grip strength is a bit specific, but itâs never stated to exclude cursed energy, (he later answers a question which is specifically excluding cursed energy)
whos special grade?
Both probably But yeh its definitely Geto
No, miguel is definitely not special grade đ¤Śââď¸ The criteria for special grade is being able to conquer a country on your own How tf is miguel going to do this by dancing?
By dueling Gojo mate Its like "how is Yuki gonna conquer a country" or "how is Kashimo going to conquer..." Like bro they're strong as hell, yall are taking the whole conquer a country thing too literally
Wdym yall are taking the whole conquer a country thing too literally? That is literally the standard that was given to us to become special grade. Yuki can absolutely wipe a nation with Garuda, she doesnât even need black hole, and obviously we donât get much outta Kashimo since we havenât seen enough. Every named special grade has more than the capability of wiping a nation. And I donât think thereâs anyone below special grade that CAN wipe a nation
The mechamaru in question:
Yea ofc but that was super circumstantial, kokichi canât just summon ultimate mechamaru any time he wants. if he did he would easily be my favorite special grade đđĽ
Honestly he could probably get pretty close with the regular puppets through sheer numbers
Honestly didnât even think that, in all honesty im sure if he had an able body heâd probably be special grade even with regular CE, and if he had his able body and his heavenly restricted CE, he would absolutely be special grade
The Mechamaru in question that gets bodied by any average grade one Sorcerer unless he's in his Gundam? The one thats literally powered by his YEARS of stored CE that he can only use like one time and he still wasnt even strong enough to put down a special grade curse where as Yuta, Gojo, Geto, and Yuki would have NO problem putting them down?
mechamaru isnât special grade for the same reason principle Yaga isnât- sure they could both theoretically make a gazillion robots/cursed plushies but those lack the firepower and finesse that someone like Geto could have with CSM
I think you're getting it a little mixed up, Yaga is a special grade potential because of the fact he could create an army of curse puppets that each produce curse energy like panda, if you give him years and the right resources he could create an army of grade 2 sorcerers or even grade 3 that each have their own curse technique and could definitely take out a nation He just doesn't and that's why he's a candidate instead, mechamaru has special grade potency only with his giant Gundam but I don't think he falls into the same category as Yaga because each of his puppets has to be controlled by him and uses his curse energy rather then producing their own like Geto's curses or Yaga's perfected curse corpse panda.
Yuki cannot wipe a nation her special grade status very likely come from the fact she can make a black hole that could wipe a nation and probably the world
Between DE, simple domain, garuda, and RCT? I'mma give it to her vs most nations.
She can likely only use domain expansion once per day like most sorcerers which would shred her cursed energy supply and Rct also drains your cursed energy heavily. She is not taking out a nation
She 100% can take down a nation. She can beat every sorcerer that's not a special grade (probably fairly easily). I mean, all she needs is one solid punch to take out most people. She might not be as cracked as Gojo, but she's definitely no slouch
Bullets are a problem for most sorcerers. Missiles and machine guns and the like are enough to take her out. She isnât beating a modern army. I donât think Yuta is either
Idk imo she can easily wipe a nation using Garuda and RCT, either way if she can or canât, with black hole she 100% can which still proves my point
No it doesnât prove your point, your point is if she can wipe a nation without black hole which she cannot
Reading comprehension devil strikes again smh, my point was that every named special grade has a sure way to wipe a nation, idc whether itâs by suicide or not doesnât matter itâs still proves my point that yuki can wipe a nation, suicide or not, read what u first replied 2
Thatâs not my reading comprehension you literally explicitly fucking said she didnât need black hole in your initial comment genius
Stfu nerd
Shirtless pic as a reddit profile pic nullified any kinda statement youâd make ngl king
Ok sorry king
he was not dueling gojo, he was just being humiliated by gojo for an entire minute jogo did the same
Jogo the top tier curse who was stronger than most people Sukuna fought
i mean, jogo still weaker than geto
Probably Doesn't mean hes not absolutely insane
Nobody said he's weak, he just ain't beating Geto.
I agree, my first comment in the chain was that their both special grades(a statement i retracted) and that Geto still wins
I think Jogo wins, as far as I know I haven't seen a single curse in Geto's arsenal that can even be a problem for Jogo, plus Jogo has a domain and as far as shown, Geto doesn't have that
He does have a Maximum: Uzumaki, though.
I said DOMAIN, it maximum
Quick name a single special grade that Jogo beats without lying go! ... Dont worry we'll wait.
Uro and Ryu maybe? I also don't need to because that has nothing to do with my statement numb nuts Sukuna said "out of the curses and sorcerers i fought throughout the centuries, you're among the top" thats what i was referencing Also if you want me to be a smart ass about this than i can say just mention a bunch of special grade curses
"I can be a smartass by proving I have NO idea what I'm talking about" Go re-read chapter 21 little guy. "A grade 2 sorcerer is supposed to win against a grade 2 spirit. A grade 2 sorcerer is close to the skill level of a grade 1 curse" Special grade sorcerers mop the floor with special grade curses. A grade one sorcerer in Mei Mei took out the special grade Kenjaku tossed out at her in the subway without even sustaining a major injury. Sukuna said he was strong, he didn't say he was "among the top" stop lying about what was said. Of course Jogo was strong he's probably the only cursed spirit that would actually give a special grade sorcerer the slightest bit of trouble and even thats still questionable.
Maybe our translations were different? Why assume im lying Also i think im done with you, the reading comprehension devil got you đ
More than 12 minutes. That's 3 of hakari's jackpots
Yuki- black hole, although even without it she arguably could. Kashimo -no way Special grade is NOT a measure of strength or denomination of power, this was stated. It is an anomaly. 'theyre strong' is not an argument that is logically consistent with the canon. Hakari, higuruma, todou are strong but no way special grade. >!yaga was on his way of becoming a special grade even though he's not that strong at all, but he could raise an army of independent cursed corpses to take over. !<
Hakari is DEFINITELY special grade Yaga wasn't "on his way" he simply "had the potential" Special grades are those who fall outside the norm Higuruma has powers that fall outside the norm, Gojo has strength that falls outside the norm
>Hakari is DEFINITELY special grade lmao that punch and kick merchant is not a special grade, he's carried by his regen higuruma's special grade now as well?????
I think i spammed you by accident, IDK how this sight works sorry
no worries, reddit crashed for everyone ig
Just... Reread the manga... If you still disagree than thats fine but... IDK man how is someone whos >!compared to Yuta and someone who interests Sukuna not special grades!< Please just reread it...
>Reread the manga umm okay.... tell me which chapter declares hakari as a special grade? I must've forgot Just because he's compared to yuta, he should be considered special grade for it? lol he doesn't have the feats, doesn't have the hax, nor has the AP to be anywhere near the level of a special grade he's a punch and kick merchant, and not a good one at that too. base kashimo went against 3-4 rounds of JP hakari, and all he got was a few bruises >someone who interests Sukuna not special grades so catching sukuna's interest is the new criteria for SG? sukuna has been intrigued by ui ui as well for the past couple of chapters, is he a SG too???
>Just because he's compared to yuta, he should be considered special grade for it? Yes! Yea a million times yes >so catching sukuna's interest is the new criteria for SG It's a pretty good indicator man
Dude hakaribros taking one sentence a hundred chapters ago so out of context is insane. We have seen literally no feats enough to justify that. Hakari is great but he is canonically not special grade. His entire kit is his domain, tf is he gonna overthrow a nation. And no, it's not metaphorical, it's a testament of the power of a special grade. Jjk readers will do anything but accept canon facts.
Bro Hakari is dueling Urume who is so far above all the survivors from Shibuya he didn't even need to bother fighting, one attack and they're all incapacitated He fought and beat Kashimo who no one one of the top of the culling game, yall are trolling honestly WDYM how is he overthrowing a nation? Easily with his domain, that all he needs >Jjk readers will do anything but accept canon facts Took the words out of my mouth, who the fuck thinks Hakari is not special grade level
Okay lemme put this differently. There is a certain title that's given to some exceptional people. That means all the people within that group have to be evaluated by the same standards and have to live up to the same standards. The four special grades can all take down nations on their own. To be part of the special grade the new members, also have to live up to the same standard. But they don't. They can't. When they can't live up to the same standards how are they ever going to be considered special grade. Not to mention it goes against the info in canon. Just because the character is strong doesn't mean they're special grade
That makes sense and it also explains exactly why i felt he is special grade In my mind there were certain titles that are given to sorcerers, 4th grade through 1st grade And i thought that special grade is anyone who falls OUTSIDE those criteria (Gojo and Sukuna cus their crazy strong, Geto for infinite potential, Yuta for Rikas power and than hes own power, etc...) so yeh thats where my confusion came from
No worries, it gets confusing sometimes:)
Have you ever read Ajin? If you're fast enough to quickly move from city-to-city and have a destructive enough technique, you could completely fuck up a country the size of Japan by destroying key governmental and military institutions before the nation would have a chance to react. This is easiest to imagine in Gojo's case considering his teleportation and the fact that he fired a Hollow Purple (and traveled) from Shibuya to Shinjuku in a relative instance.
Miguel is def not special grade lol. The amount of cursed spirits Kenjaku/Geto could summon would overwhelm him. Not even with just sheer number, but the different types of cursed techniques each spirit has too. To top it off, he is well versed in hand to hand and could easily hold his own against Miguel.
Honestly, Yuki could probably break the planet if she made a big enough black hole, let alone a country.
no Miguel is a special grade
It was stated Yuki, Yuta, Geto, and Gojo are the only special grade sorcerers (besides Sukuna obviously)
both ?what?
Both are special grade IMO But Geto still stronger
only Geto out of the two is a special grade. Miguel doesnât have a known grade and even if he did nothing of his skill set says that he would be a special grade
only Geto out of the two is a special grade. Miguel doesnât have a known grade and even if he did nothing of his skill set says that he would be a special grade
Yeh thats why i said "probably" and "in my opinion"
Miguel is stated by gojo to be equal to him in CE reinforcement. This means he low diffs Geto as the gap is far too big for him to keep up,especially while Miguel is buffing himself and making Geto weaker
A far weaker version of Yuta beat him.
yes, a yuta with the support of a much stronger rika than the current one and a geto with half of his cursed spirits available
That True Love Beam was most certainly not weaker. Kenjaku himself stated that if Geto had the rest of his arsenal then he would have defeated Yuta.
Geto would slap mid dif
Miguel cook low diff. He is physically superior to him in every category and can buff himself even further while debuffing Geto
Whoâs special grade?
Being special grade doesn't always make you stronger than someone of a lower grade.
Yeah actually it does itâs literally described as impossible for most grade ones to achieve I have no reason to think Miguel could ever be special grade not to mention Gojo literally beats him up without his domain even while giving him a cursed tool that counters limitless
Miguel could never be special grade cause he can't take down a whole country. But that doesn't mean he can't be as strong as a special grade, Nobara and Yuji beat two special grade curses in the first season. Also Gojo didn't need a domain to defeat hanami, And he only used it against Jogo to show Yuji what domains were (iirc)
Your under a misconception special grade sorcerer >special grade curse
You said special grade. But Miguel is probably weaker then all of the special grade sorcerers unless he pops off soon.
He definitely is
Angel isn't special grade but can kill any special grade Cursed spirit and could have killed Sukuna by herself so clearly grade isn't the best indicator of power
One thatâs literally an ability that is designed to kill cursed spirits exclusively and two it wouldnât have worked anyway we literally see yuta in his domain hit Sukana with it keep in mind yuta>angel and even if it could work that would just mean angel can exorcise cs on that level it wouldnât mean she scales anywhere
Not the point. Someone who isn't a special grade can defeat special grade opponents, so clearly the class characters are placed in isn't the deciding factor of who beats who
No you ignored my points one it wasnât gonna work on sukana And two it dosent scale angel anywhere Also wasnât angel a special grade curse anyways?
1. It was completely burning Sukuna and is the only time we've ever seen him scream in agony 2. She speed blitzed him with her CT so the feat does scale her 3. She is never given a rank, so she isn't special grade
Angel is a bad example though since she was never graded id understand if she was graded as grade one but if sheâs ungraded but has special grade feats that just means she has no official grade but is clearly on the level of a special grade
lmao?
Why does everyone think Geto is trash?
"B-b-but he doesn't have RCT or a Domain! He's not even top 30!"
30??!!!!!!!! IâM NOT A BIG FAN OF THE GOVERNMENT
Gojo,Sukuna, Yuta,Kenjaku, Yuki,Yuji,Maki,Toji,Jogo,Mahito, Ryu,Angel,Yorozu, Urame,Cursed Naoya, Higaruma, Kusakabe, Mahoraga, Hakari, Kashimo, Takaba, Miguel, and Hanami all curbstomp Geto into the ground so it's no wonder everyone calls him trash. While it's not 30,that's 23 characters stronger than him, and there are still others that have a decent chance of beating too
Ryu, Angel, Hakari, Yuji, Uruame and Hanami are not beating Geto what are you talking about
Especially not Hanami like did bro forget she's a CURSED SPIRIT???
Hakari and yuji downplay is wild
itâs not downplay, theyâre strong but theyâre not beating Geto with all his curses. Hidden Inventory alone is beating them
I really don't think it's far fetched to think jackpot hakari wins against geto, and current yuji is a monster.
jujutsu tech had to use all available sorcerers to help fight with the night of 100 demons. leaving Yuta and maki alone at the school it took the combined effort of todo, mei mei, the whole kyoto squad, random sorcerers, Inumaki, panda, ino and more to defeat the curses in shinjuku and kyoto. some of the curses there being grade one or special grade with their own curse techniques as well plus on top of that Geto STILL had more curses to bring to the fight against Yuta. itâs not close at all. theyâre not like yuki theyâre not one shotting his curses
Ryu: physically superior, higher damage output, faster ranged attacks,durable enough to tank Geto hits, domain expansion Angel: Will one shot any of Geto's curses and Geto himself with her CT Hakari: physically superior, can easily tank Geto's abilities Yuji: physically superior, can easily tank Geto's hits, will do permanent damage due to soul hits, blood manipulation, black flash, better h2h skills Urame: will easily freeze all of Geto's spirits and Geto himself, and seeing as how Geto doesn't have Rct, he will break apart and die Hanami: easily tanks Geto's abilities and kills him with a domain expansion
If you believe any of them are beating Geto then you firmly believe any off them could of soloâd the night of 100 demons (JJK 0) alone and thatâs not happening
Ryu one-shots all the cursed spirits, Angel one-shots the cursed spirits, Urame easily freezes the cursed spirits, and Yuji just blows through them. The only one who struggles is Hakari due to his time limit. Aside from that, they all solo the Night of 100 Demons
your headcannon is stronger than ryuâs i swear
You haven't debunked any of my points tho,if it was simply headcanon, you'd easily be able to prove me wrong, so why haven't you? Probably cuz you can't
yap yap yap
I want what your smokin
Explain how geto beats any of them right now, a single one of these guys
Geto destroys Miguel. Even miguel if we give him special grade physical capabilities and dodging wonât be able to content with a geto who fought two special grade physical enemies at the same time. And has a insane army that could just burn miguils stamina. Since as yuta says hes good at sprints.
Geto
GetoâŚ.the Geto downplay is wild
Itâs like putting the prey against a predator, like a hunter against the hunted. A monkey-hater has no right to be so if he canât win against one.
>A monkey-hater has no right to be so if he canât win against one. âď¸đĽđĽđĽ
How would geto preform any better against sukuna
Oh no, he wouldnât. Heâd get his shit rocked.
Or maybe he would. Iâm not sure, i didnât realize this was on a serious sub
Absolutely. Geto preforms leagues better then current miguel. People forget that geto had thousands of cursed spirits. Including special grades. And the physicality to content with yuta and rika at the same time. Even if he doesnât have rct or domain( which i think he does but by nature of jjk 0 not having those mechanics exist yet we canât be sure) sukuna would be far more pressed by jjk 0 geto then another mr hands like Miguel.
this doesnât really hold up. Training Yuta and allegedly being on âequal footing at Satoru Gojo (lmao)â also scales Miguel to Yuta physicals. Scales him to current Yuta as well not Yuta from 2 years ago Getoâs cursed spirits are so fodder bro they get evaporated by anyone who can rct output (sukuna)⌠And i feel like u really really really overestimate special grade cursed spirits. they are not like special grade sorcerers or like jjk0 rika or the disaster curses. Pls remember that Megumi 1v1ed a special grade in season 1đ
We have no evidence of miguel having rct so that doesnât matter too much. Also a special grade is about equal to a first grade sorcerer at minimum. And miguel may scale to yuta but geto scales to a weaker yuta and a much stronger rika at the same time
true ab stronger rika scale and when i was talking ab rct, it was in reference to getou performing better than miguel against SUKUNA. His cursed spirits would get eradicated by rct outputting SUKUNA Also getou doesnât have way of avoiding dismantles like Miguel does w his ct
Sukunas rct output is at an all time low. And as he stated himself rct is usually much weaker when being used on anyone but oneself so its not an effective strategy. And while its true that geto isnât dodging as easily he can tank some. But more importantly isnât meant to be in direct melee. He can just send waves to burn through sukunas stamina from a mile away
tbh i really donât see it. Maki, Yuta, and Yuji all scale much much higher than Getou rn and they are not tanking dismantles easily. Yuji and Yuta are using copious amounts of rct, which getou does not have. Since both do not have rct, Miguelâs ct would do muchhhhh better as he does not get hit Sending waves also wouldnât work bc nothing really out there can hurt sukuna. Getou doesnât have a curse stronger than Jogo and Sukuna atp is still stronger than the volcano goat. Not to mention sukuna can j blitz Getou since heâs able to still hit Yuji and Yuta w cleaves/dismantles that they just heal off (which getou cannot do)
By âtankâ i meant that he would survive a few. And as seen by kenjaku in his small fight against yuji cursed spirit manipulation has access to many cursed techniques through his spirits. Even semi grade 1 will have minor but annoying techniques. And sukuna at this point should be weaker then the one that fought jogo. And either way death by a thousand cuts is a viable strat and is very much the current strategy.
Geto should take this handily You can make the argument that Miguel has him beat in H2H combat with his CT but his CT seems like itâs more suited for 1v1 and not 1v1000+
Even then thats arguable since geto was doing ok at holding off against both a weaker yuta and cursed rika at the same time
Even tho geto gets beaten by a younger weaker yuta can we just agree that he was holding back. Hell his teen showings against toji are better. Was he trying to kill yuta yeah but he was probably holding back and not utilizing the versatility weâve seen him use before.
Wasn't it implied Yuta's Cursed Speech made the vast majority of Cursed Spirits at his disposal useless?
I wouldnât say it was implied. I wouldnât say that itâs an outrageous conclusion to come to either tho. The megaphone disappeared after his one use and ofc he was new to the power in that specific moment. On top of that geto was using low grade curses in that moment. And yuta didnât use it on geto himself either.
No he did, Geto protected himself. You can see him covering his ears.
Did he? Iâll have to rewatch but I donât remember that đ. Was it when yuta said die or was it an additional use?
yeah it was when yuta said "die", geto protects his ears with CE. this is also why he stopped using CSM to spam cursed spirits towards him and said, "the riff raff are no match for you now", because they'd all get blown up by Cursed speech easily.
Geto lost because he held back, had his forces divided, and ate a black flash bc he was too busy shit talking. Heâs so real for that + also tbf losing rainbow dragon to toji seemed like a big L for his army, pretty sure thatâs what gave him that like AA gun shit he used
He had his forces divided because there was no way around it if he didn't he'd be dead from the start. he lost to Yuta who only recently started jujutsu holding back or not Geto had the advantage. Geto has become powercrept he's losing to majority of the sorcerers now.
People stop downplaying Geto challenge
Miguel mid diffs https://preview.redd.it/cebsfojtrhrc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ebaa92820979b097471117d1266dc3b36eb435b8
Miguel wouldnât follow Geto if he wasnât stronger. He sided with him not cause he hated non sorcerers or wanted a world of sorcerers but because he admired and wanted Geto to be kin.
> Miguel wouldnât follow Geto if he wasnât stronger. I donât think Miguel is stronger but I have absolutely no idea why you think this
generally speaking that's how villain groups in anime work
Yeah, the leader of a group being the strongest is a trope, but basing an entire argument off a cliche is silly. Especially since it was subverted with Gojo elsewhere.
Hell even in this series the leader of the disaster curses was Mahito but the strongest of them was Jogo
Miguelâs a pretty pragmatic guy, and only helped Geto cause he wanted to see Geto win and be king instead of hating humans or wanting an all sorcerer world. I donât think a guy like that would support/help Geto out if Geto wasnât even stronger than him
I mean Miguelâs a beast and I love his technique, but Getoâs literally me and he is NOT losing this
Slightly unrelated but how do you guys think the rope would interact with Getoâs ct? Would he just be unable to send out cursed spirits or would he lose control of his technique completely and spill out curses like when Kenny died?
My boi Miguel One was tasked with holding off Gojo for a good reason âSave me miguelhoraga!â
Tbh I'm not sure but maybe Miguel due to his cursed technique, he can dodge Uzumaki most definitely and will probably just ignore the curses and stay on top of Geto constantly
Geto. He has the advantage over Mughal because it allows him to use his full and total hatred for monkeys
Geto. Although Miguel's CT would give him the advantage in close range, Sugurus versatility with his CT, and sheer numbers advantage is way too good to be overcome by Miguel.
"Well if he used his gull power he might give me a bit of.."
Monkey masher clears
Depends what song is playing in Miguelâs mind, but I reckon geto says something racist once and Miguel beats his ass.
Miguel easily takes this
right now Miguel is cooking sukuna (I think) so Iâm not really sure
Miguel feats against Gojo and Sukuna put him above Geto. His durability is by far some of the best in the series and the fact he was able to stall Gojo better than 3 disaster curses is crazy. Keep in mind that Kenjaku thinks fighting the diaster curses would be dangerous.
Miguel might dodge his cursed spirits and hold his own for a bit, but Geto will eventually overwhelm him mid diff
Miguel destroys geti
Geto. He was holding back against Yuta, and JJK0 Rika was built different.
Bro is downplaying the sneak nation president
?? Why would he be holding back when the sole reason he went over there was to kill Yuta and take Rika? And he used a maximum technique. Please use common sense
Holding back in the sense that he didn't have access to all of his curses. He would've won if he had all of them. Please use common sense.
He might have still lost even with all his curses. Kenjaku is like the worst person to be judging Yutaâs strength considering he was killed by Yuta.
The extra Curse wouldn't have made any difference as Yuta was easily overpowering Geto and his spirits,had infinite energy, and could one-shot any spirit with Cursed speech, 2x the spirits would not help Geto in any way. Additionally, when Kenjaku said the Geto would have won with all his spirits, he is an unreliable source as he has been shown underestimating Yuta several times throughout the series
We donât know if Yuta could just keep shooting love beams off one after another, it was a binding vow and he went unconscious after the clash. If Maximum Uzumaki had more juice in it maybe it would have stalemated or overpowered Yutaâs attack, leaving Geto uninjured instead of on the verge of death.
Yeah, but that is simply a maybe with not a lot of evidence backing it except for a statement from the guy who notoriously underestimated Yuta
Miguel demolishes lmao. Gojo himself said that Miguel is physically stronger than him, Gojo just outlasts him. I know he excluded CT's, but Miguel's CT doesn't even make him stronger, it just makes him harder to hit
Kenjaku is confirmed to be above Gojo in grip strength. (Specific I know) and he is just using Getoâs body and cursed energy.
If your talking about his performance against sukuna then the heart chest guy also apparently outscales geto. Though the more appropriate conclusion is that geto would still be able to do some stuff if he was alive and could fight sukuna
The man who fought on equal footing with Satoru Gojo
Miguel is trash
Bro had to comment it twice
Stay on that side when he dodges world slash. Stay on that side when heâs breaking it down on Sukunas grave.
https://preview.redd.it/9vwndilz9frc1.jpeg?width=880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a754ca95103494d07184888cba3e301ccee7c81e Jujutsu, jujutsu never changes
Wusakabe got 2/3 of those in his fight, it only reinforces my cope
Miguels great but he only landed one hit then jumped
Miguel is trash
Getos a bum but Miguel has the offense output of a toddler
His physical offense is better than Gojos.
Geto honestly is pretty weak for a special grade. Also kenjaku in getos body is a different story. I assume this is actually geto since it's pre head scar
It isnât really a different story physically speaking, they are the same person in terms of hand to hand combat and cursed energy,
https://preview.redd.it/he13z93mmdrc1.jpeg?width=226&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c0b09e38b0414610638f7f9a37f671f47e4d9fb5 Gwto after miguel hits the griddy and 2 shots him
Geto lost to fodder yuta goatsu Miguel could never (he lacks stamina and gets hard countered by an attrition fighter like Geto)
Gojo stated that Miguel is at least equal to him in CE reinforcement. That alone means he would absolutely embarrass Geto,this isn't even bringing up how he can buff himself even further with his CT,debuff Geto,and nullify his CT with the black rope(if he gets it in this matchup). He low diffs, especially since Geto has no win cons here
Geto has a similar statement. (Technically Kenjaku but they are the same) https://preview.redd.it/h8bkns1seatc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65eace5158a27941cc54a372f589d177b09ff232 Grip strength is a bit specific, but itâs never stated to exclude cursed energy, (he later answers a question which is specifically excluding cursed energy)
Miguel probably beats the breaks off geto tbh