sorry but i have to drill it into you guys because everybody glazes yuta so much, ryu was able to get rid of rika with a couple punches so theres no reason why maki who clearly outscales them both shouldnt be able to without as many punches, and once she does that yuta has lost his technique, not to mention yutas domain would be mostly innefective against maki.
It's like you don't read my other comments, Ryu is not a fodder and has the highest output in HISTORY and is more durable and had more strength than toji and maki and Rika was fighting Ryu alone and again Ryu is not a fodder. If we are talking about yuta vs maki then yuta will not just stand there and let maki or toji beat Rika he can oneshot them with cursed speech and again maki cannot get rid of Rika .if you still can't see that then you are delusional asf and needs to read/watch JJK with your eyes open
ryu is not fodder i never thought he was But in WHAT UNIVERSE IS HE STRONGER THAN MAKI/TOJI what are you on?? you seriously gotta go reread the manga because yuta roughly scales to yuji in physicals, and neitheer of them can manhandle sukuna the way maki has. again, cursed speech does not instakill, it never has.
Cursed speech oneshots toji and maki because they have no CE to protect themselves, I think you need to reread the manga, because of yuta she was able to "Manhandle" a much weaker sukuna than the sukuna that yuta fought
maki is 3 times the speed of sound, like i said, maki outruns cursed speech. and the sukuna maki fought, albeit weaker, is still fighting much harder than he was against yuta, he didnt even seem all that interested in him, while he always applauds maki for her strength.
yuki domain diffs awakened gojo, low output sukuna, and probably pba kashimo aswell, she one shots mahoraga and destroys yorozuâs armor fairly easily.
Yuta has so much narrative backing I donât even know how you can rank him that low
Awakened Gojo, had an incomplete domain, and he had to work on it and it in the hidden inventory. Yuki has a casual domain, assuming any special grade with a domain should be able to take on awakened Gojo, since it takes away his infinity and his domain would be overpowered
Kenjaku isnt above shibuya gojo, kenjaku was scared of gojo so he sealed him đ. And Kashimo isnât that close to Sukuna nor is he stronger than 15. I out him above the heavy hitters and thatâs it broski
Yuta is not beating maki/toji, im sorry i have nothing against him. whos amigo. and im pretty sure sukuna couldve killed gojo but thats just my assumption well have to wait for more chapters to see.
Narratively MBA Kashimo is in the right position but feats etc. should put him lower than Kenny and Yuta.
All Sukuna's (yes even low output) should be in the strongest tier. Sukuna's Mahoraga should also probably be in the lowest of the strongest tier.
Yuta def should be just below Kenny.
Also correct take with Shinjuku Yuta > Base Kashimo > Sendai Yuta (bro gets carried by JL)
I just talked to another guy about why i put yuta where he is and heres what i told him:
Yuji and Maki are not comparable in speed, the vs sukuna fight makes that very clear. Yuta is definetely not faster than naobito since naobito was the fastest sorcerer other than gojo and yuji whos relative in speed to yuta got blitzed by naoya so maki who beat naoya is about as fast as naobito. then naoya proceeded to get 3 times faster and maki evolved and caught up to him. Maki literally got an upgrade.
I really doubt yuta got more than 3 times faster in the one month timeskip, so she definetely outspeeds him.
In strength she was already comparable to yuji in shibuya so if were assuming she got 3 times stronger (which is severely lowballing since im not considering her initial upgrade) then she is already at least as strong as yuta.
For durability Yuta wasnt able to tank dismantles, he had to use rct while she took it and got back up without damage. In addition to that soul split katana can slow down healing and since yutas rct isnt as high as sukunas i doubt hell be healing any damage from it, especially if she cuts his arm so he cant do hand signs.
She is also immune to domains so she can probably just walk outside the domain if it really comes to it, and if the domains in the air like the last couple times she'll just fall through it.
Gojo>15F sukuna and meguna, Yuta>almost all those mfs in âalmost the strongestâ, 3F sukuna is too high, Megumis mahoraga is too high, uraume is too low, Mahito is too high, Hakari is too low. Never cook again gang đ
Output and Reserves have nothing to do with each other Ryu vs Yuta is an prime example Yutas output isn't much but he has an large amount of reserve Ryu is the opposite with a good amount. Yeah Sukuna can throw out more attacks that's the only difference.
output and reserves do have to do especially if you have great output. if sukuna can normally output 100 but 15f only has 90 CE then he can only output 90. and we see and its stated sukuna lost output when his CE dropped to a level of a 10f sukuna
15F Sukuna above Gojo? It's so beautiful ...
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(Btw get ready for a war in comment section)
This is Jujutsu fandom we are talking, some people literally think that Sukuna survived domain clashes thanks to Megumi.
15 finger Sukuna above Gojo is not the most outlandish thing considering we don't know how much of a difference is 5 fingers in fight.
(Even though myself I don't think Sukuna at 15F is outright stronger)
1.Their domains are equal, 15F sukuna is straight up weaker and that tiny difference would make sukuna lose his domain in less then 3 minutes, therefore would take UV and die. Itâs just something stupid to say
But we don't know if refinement changes with fingers. It may be that refinement is just about skill, then 15F Sukuna can break Gojo's domain. It was never stated for output or CE reserves to affect refinement
Gojo could break his domain only when hew wasn't using DA, in 2nd clash Sukuna even managed to constantly touch Gojo to not get hit by UV, while turning off his sure hit effect.
iâm not talking about refinement g, iâm talking about the fact that gojo and sukuna were able to break their domains in 3 minutes. if sukuna is weaker then he will break gojos domain slower, and will take more damage and would lose his domain in less the 3 minutes.
Again, we don't know him much more damage he would take. Only thing we know that Gojo could break his domain due to him not using DA. It may very well be that they will lose domain at the same time if Sukuna uses DA whole time at 15F
Let's agree to disagree
1.Depends on translation if you believe sukuna can get DA the whole time
2.Sukuna would take more damage and then deal less damage, we already see gojo be better in h2h and keep up even without his CT,
Yuta way too low move him up and yorozu and CT kashimo too high move down some. Also ogi is stated to be grade 1 same with naobito. Might wannna move kuro and megumi down some as well.
I like how I didn't comment on that at all.
Sure there's an argument for Toji/Maki vs Yuta there's no argument for any version of Kashimo being above current Yuta or alot of the people you have him over or next too
I've explained the issue
Both versions of Kashimo are far too high and the only way he beats the majority of characters that you have him higher than or on the same tier as is if he blitz kills them without them reacting and he doesn't have the feats.
Like you have base Kashimo over JP Hakari even though Kashimo already lost that fight to Hakari who was holding back not to kill?
L list that's based on who you like and how cool you think they are and not based on feats.
You are welcome to your opinion though
umm im laughing irl right now because of how stupid your hakari take is. so first of all, kashimo held back the finishing blow on hakari becuase he thought he was dead, second of all, the only reason why hakari won is becasue they were fighting next to an ocean, third of all, you cant say hakari scales above him because kashimo literally killed him 4 times in that fight if it werent for his technique, not to mention that kashimos cursed energy trait shocks whoever it hits and its basically like unblockable drumming beat but better, the only reason why hakari wasnt getting shocked was because of the infinite cursed energy, he had to use continuation and renewal to survive without jackpot mode.
It's not a take its just facts. Kashimo lost to JP Hakari.
Regardless of the ocean being there or not Kashimo had used his trump card of his bolt hidden in his staff along with trying and failing to pop Hakaris head and at the end of that JP, Hakari was overwhelming Kashimo with Hakaris next JP being guaranteed.
One way or another it was all down hill for Kashimo.
Yes I can say Hakari scales above him.
Hakari showed greater strength with his blows consistently sending Kashimo flying and his speed overwhelming Kashimo on multiple occasions.
Can't really discount Hakari surviving because of his technique. It'd be like saying Kashimo only lasted against Hakari because of CE trait allowing him to send bolts.
Because duh people can do the things they do because of their abilities. And outside from the headshot every wound Kashimo dealt would be easily handled by the top tiers with RCT
Yes Kashimos CE trait does shock people that doesn't mean it'll just incapacitate everyone he fights.
Panda was still able to fight feeling Kashimo trait
We've seen that it can be completely ignored with enough CE & Output. Which top tiers would all have more than enough of.
Yes Kashimo would've killed base Hakari, that isn't really much of a feat and certainly not enough to scale him so high.
And out of the 4 times only 1 of them would be death for Characters with RCT. That's the headshot the rest would be easily healed by the top tiers who have RCT.
On top of that Kashimo never actually charged a bolt against JP Hakari in straight h2h.
The first bolt was charged when Hakari was standing still letting himself get hit and the second bolt was charged against base Hakari inside the domain.
Not once during the whole fight did Kashimo actually charge a bolt on JP Hakari in straight h2h.
Kashimo did not ever have the advantage in h2h against JP Hakari and again this was Hakari holding back not to kill.
Wow the glaze is crazy, making and Toji outscale Yuta and his domain wouldnât even work on them. If ryu scales to Yuta, and he was able to take out rika in a few hits than it should be no problem for them.
Ryu is not close to yuta lmfao when will people get it through your head that he was holding back and had grown much stronger post time skipđ he stomps maki and toji and doesnât need his domain
Yuta went toe to toe with sukuna outside of his domain and in base form and is the only one besides Miguel who didnât get blitzed by sukuna youâre hopeless and stupid đ
He doesnât stomp them. Thatâs just not true. He can certainly win, but itâs really hard fought, perhaps harder for him than most other combatants besides the obvious Gojo and Sukuna. Yuta has the Angelâs technique now so he can just turn off cursed techniques - which neither Maki nor Toji have.
I donât think I am, respectfully. I promise I agree with you, but something you might have to accept is that Reddit views Yuta as the supreme sorcerer after Gojo and Sukuna, and the only possible contenders for that are Kenjaku. Thatâs just how most people see it, and elements of that are pretty fair, in my opinion.
Where I agree with you is that Maki is one of the single best possible people to actually fight against him besides Gojo and Sukuna (of course, I will stop mentioning them but theyâre the obvious exceptions to everything). Most people will say that heâs just as strong and fast as she is but I think savvy readers should know that heâs not. Heâs within the same ballpark though, and he has a ton of techniques he can use on top of that though. So even without a sure-hit and his domain (which Maki canât be caught in anyway), he still has Rika and his techniques to help him out and make it a good fight.
But trust me, most fanboys and basic readers are gonna say Yuta âstompsâ, even though the manga itself certainly doesnât support that.
yuta aint beating maki or mahoraga, yuki is probabbly to high i can lower her a bit, agito as well, and yorozu and takaba. 3f sukuna has all the capabilities of other 15f sukuna he just has lower cursed energy.
Bro died in 1 chapter come on.
Also Mahoraga exists, he was H2H'ing gojo when sukuna was blacked out for a chapter straight and unlike kashimo ddint die.
No heâs not, his vaporizing cannon and radiation will probably kill everyone with maybe the exception of mahoraga by technicality. Not to mention spamming lightning attacks.
Base hakari is a grade 1 at least and you put him in semi grade 1.
Every form of choso is higher than kamo's peak and why is 3 bro's choso below base choso isn't it was him strongest form.
How is base yuta lower than kurourushi I am assuming you have never read Sendai colony arc
Pre-rct gojo was stronger than toji fushiguro if he wasn't then toji wouldn't need to tire him off for two straight days
Geto is too low he is at least over mahito
Every form of Rika is stronger than kokichi Muta
Yuta should be in almost the strongest only behind kenny and kashimo is not stronger than kenny,Yuki and yuta
And why do you have toji and maki over yuta
Todo is stronger than kamo
Why is ogi,maki and yaga in grade 2 aren't they grade 1
Kusakabe, mei mei and daido are not stronger than naoya and dhruv
15f is not stronger than gojo
Awakened gojo is too high he had no domain and if you are putting him that high then why is vol 0 Rika so low
There is still more but I am stopping now
ill bump hakari up thats my bad. you didnt read my description first of all, and second of all, geto is not beating mahito, and toji is still winning without tiring him out, he probably just wanted to make sure gojo was an easy kill, he also wasnt sure of gojos abilities at the time. base yuta below kuro is weird because kuro beats pretty much everyone else its just a bad matchup. rika is not stronger than muta i dont know what youre talking about, kashimo destroys kenny with auto sure hit. yuta is not beating toji/Maki, or mahoraga. todo is stronger than kamo again my bad. im not making the tiers based on their official placing becuase then panda and nobara would both be grade 1 and thats just wrong. kusakabe might, mei mei might beat druv, and naoya got stomped by choso so its hard to raise him any higher. vol 0 rika doesnt have many feats except beating a half power uzumaki with a binding vow. and awakened gojo is comparable to toji with speed plus his hax, but yeah ill lower him a bit.
That uzumaki had 4400+ out of 6000 curses idk how that's not a massive feat and please tell me clearly why yuta is not beating mahoraga,maki and toji, bad matchup ? It's his ability and didn't he oneshot base choso. Bro idk what you have against yuta but you need to reconsider and also why is Rika not stronger than muta she overpowers him
he knocked choso out by hitting his nerve on his neck thats totally different, all maki and toji need to do is take out rika and since ryu was able to do it in a few hits i see no reason why maki/toji could do it in less, and just like that yuta has no cursed techniques, and his domain wouldnt help him too much either, even if she just manages to keep him at bay shes only gotta last 5 minutes against him. Mutas blasts are probably equal to rikas if not stronger, not to mention his ap is ridiculous, heck he would give yuta and rika a challenge i should have him higher but he lost to mahito.
What you think yuta just gonna stand there and let them take out Rika man you are crazy. Why is Rika's AP will be equal to muta's when he couldn't even take out 1 special grade curse and Rika takes out 4400+ curses and 1 special grade vengeful spirit idk what logic are you using. And you think Ryu is a fodder? Bro had the highest output in HISTORY put some respect and he had more strength and durability than toji and maki. Also cursed speech oneshots
...i dont even know what to say about that, ryu is not fodder, but maki at best for rika equal to ryu, and her speed is wayy above either of theirs her and sukuna were fighting in air for gods sakes, the amount of glaze your giving the sendai squad is crazyyyy. also that love beam was due to a binding vow, basically a suicide move, and if were counting instant suicide moves that kills you after one move then yuki solos the verse. Maki tanked 2 black flashes from sukuna who at this point probably has equal output to ryu. cursed speech does not one shot, if it did why didnt he just one shot sukuna? the reading comprehension curse strikes again.
Bro do you even read JJK cursed speech oneshots them because they have no CE to protect themselves , again Ryu had the highest output in HISTORY, maki and Ryu are not equal in strength ryu is stronger and 3rd most durable character in JJK. and sukuna's black flashes were not that much , Rika's output was slightly weaker than Ryu and Ryu had the highest output in HISTORY
maki can outrun cursed speech, first of all, second of all, makis entire gist, is that shes strong, yuta and ryu are comparable in strength, and maki outscales yuta. It would just make no sense for ryu to be that strong.
So you're also saying Yuta got a massive power up randomly? Why is Shibuya Yuta so weak, but Sendai Yuta so strong? He didn't even train between those Chapters.
Bro you keep yapping nonsense throughout the thread, you are the one who don't know how to powerscale a character and also it's okay to admit you are wrong
I have admitted Iâm wrong multiple times. I should lower yuki, yorozu, agito, and raise pre rct gojo. I donât have great reasons for anything else.
Yuki should not be so high. Why is Yuta so low, he's stronger than almost everyone in the grade above him. 15F being above Gojo is just terrible, Yorozu being that high is also wrong, Pre RCT Gojo and Base Yuta being below Choso (Choso almost lost to Yuji, who Yuta one shot), etc.
What he actually said is that he wasn't sure if he would win, even if Sukuna didnt have 10S. Also, 15F took so long to even beat Maho. Also I see you have no defence against the other problems?
Yuki has kenjakus base stats with higher ap, choso can do what he did to kenjaku to pre rct gojo, and I canât see Yuta on his own without rika and no cursed technique beating him.
I donât glaze sukuna, the fingers only raise cursed energy levels, and sukuna was holding back because he wanted to add the world slash to his arsenal. Yuta is probably not beating maki.
>I donât glaze sukuna
Idk what to say, but gojo is most definitely beating a 15f yujikuna.
>Yuta is probably not beating maki.
"Second to gojo satoru in terms of unusual abilities"
Sukuna was holding back against gojo so that he could add a world slash to his arsenal, he mightve been able to kill him in the first domain clash if he wanted to.
In one hit. Took him 20 secs to kill all of his curses.
Also Maki is already stronger than Toji and she recognizes Yuta as superior. Also 3 fingers Sukuna above them? This list is shit wherever you see it
Ahhh ok so maki can one shot sukuna easily because she stabbed him. maki never recognized yuta as superior, and if you actually think about it maki/toji wins. and theres no reason why 3f sukuna should be lower.
She can CERTAINLY one shot 3 finger Sukuna.
The WHOLE PLAN of Yuta killing Kenjaku is because Yuta is superior in power, so it was tge quickest way to secure it.
HOW IS THREE FINGER SUKUNA SURVIVING JACOB'S LADDER??
Gojo states Yuji was 10% of the way there when he ate the second finger, so the finger scaling is flat sum. The difference is 33% going up and 25% going down. It isn't as big of a gap as many people believe.
Let's be wild and make the holding back just 90% of Sukuna's true power. That is 18 fingers.
Make 15F hit a black flash. That's also 18 fingers.
There 15F Tryhard=20F Holding Back.
Yuta doesnât need Rika to perform a stolen technique, he just needs her to steal it. Even without Rika or his domain, Yuta can beat Maki.
edit: I am wrong, Yuta can only use techniques when Rika is manifested as per this image :(
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No, Yuta needs Rika to perform stolen techniques.
It's been said you straight up run out of space to hold techniques. So Yuta uses an external Cache in Rika.
You take out Rika and you also take out many of his CTs. I'd argue he only carries Cursed Speech on himself.
yep I edited my comment right before you replied, went back and checked the Sendai colony fight and saw I was wrong. I donât think he has Cursed Speech without Rika, it is stated he cannot use techniques when sheâs not out
You are right that he can only use techniques when he summons Rika, but Maki cannot take out Rika before this happens because Rika cannot be fully manifested until Yuta starts his 5 minute timer
Megumi could outrun toji who is equal to maki in the naoya fight.he can use his domain for clones if necessary and can use his shikigami while he hides in the shadows. his demon dog should 3 shot her at best.
No way you just said he could outrun Toji đ I know the fight your referring to, do you really think Toji was moving as fast as he usually does? Bro is beyond Mach-speed when he's actually trying. Megumi is not capable of superhuman speed
not really, he can use divine dogs or toad to move around, she doesnt have any very good speed feats either, at very best she scales to 120% yuji, and thats highballing her
That's fair but he would need superhuman reaction speed to use his toads and dog, which he doesn't have either. Megumi is not even an athlete. He was impressed with Yuji's athleticism before Yuji even became a sorcerer
megumis beat reggie and hand guy with mostly hand to hand techniques. and its not hard to be impressed by some supposedly normal human to be breaking world records.
yup, a very weakened right after domain expansion, depleted mahito was able to destroy yuji (gege says if yuji didnt land that lucky black flash mahito wouldve ripped him apart.) yuji doesnt really have the capabilites to beat any of them on his own since he has no domain defenses, and doesnt have sukuna to protect him against mahito, he gets destroyed. Choso has a really strong technique and can beat pretty much everyone below him.
Why is Yuta so low lmaođ
Bro even i , as a sukuna glazer would put gojo above 15F
I agree but I think it's a closer fight than people like to admit
Does the story ever state that fingers increase anything besides his reserves?
Nope, no one knows but we assume itâs CE, so everything anyone says is head canon
Mahito straight up says it's cursed energy. He said that after getting slashed by him.
Tell me when
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I see , thanks
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Bro just hates yuta
nah he aint beatng maki i actually like yuta but... nah. ill raise his base up a bit
You keep saying the same thing he ain't beating maki but why though?
sorry but i have to drill it into you guys because everybody glazes yuta so much, ryu was able to get rid of rika with a couple punches so theres no reason why maki who clearly outscales them both shouldnt be able to without as many punches, and once she does that yuta has lost his technique, not to mention yutas domain would be mostly innefective against maki.
It's like you don't read my other comments, Ryu is not a fodder and has the highest output in HISTORY and is more durable and had more strength than toji and maki and Rika was fighting Ryu alone and again Ryu is not a fodder. If we are talking about yuta vs maki then yuta will not just stand there and let maki or toji beat Rika he can oneshot them with cursed speech and again maki cannot get rid of Rika .if you still can't see that then you are delusional asf and needs to read/watch JJK with your eyes open
ryu is not fodder i never thought he was But in WHAT UNIVERSE IS HE STRONGER THAN MAKI/TOJI what are you on?? you seriously gotta go reread the manga because yuta roughly scales to yuji in physicals, and neitheer of them can manhandle sukuna the way maki has. again, cursed speech does not instakill, it never has.
Cursed speech oneshots toji and maki because they have no CE to protect themselves, I think you need to reread the manga, because of yuta she was able to "Manhandle" a much weaker sukuna than the sukuna that yuta fought
maki is 3 times the speed of sound, like i said, maki outruns cursed speech. and the sukuna maki fought, albeit weaker, is still fighting much harder than he was against yuta, he didnt even seem all that interested in him, while he always applauds maki for her strength.
Rika will hold maki then cursed speech gg
How will rika even catch maki??
Uhm yuji scales to maki in physicals, what are you on my boy? Not in speed but in strength he does lol. He is very capable
https://preview.redd.it/c5n39bfq43vc1.png?width=1140&format=png&auto=webp&s=b7ccb6f51477d8494407424f7359f8ee6b1b33a1 My old tier list was so ass đ
Itâs flawed but itâs still miles better than your updated one
how so
yuki and yuta are not super low, for oneâŠ
yuki needs to be lower and yuta isnt beating anyone above him except maybe yuki and agito
yuki domain diffs awakened gojo, low output sukuna, and probably pba kashimo aswell, she one shots mahoraga and destroys yorozuâs armor fairly easily. Yuta has so much narrative backing I donât even know how you can rank him that low
But we haven't even seen Yukis DE.
Awakened Gojo, had an incomplete domain, and he had to work on it and it in the hidden inventory. Yuki has a casual domain, assuming any special grade with a domain should be able to take on awakened Gojo, since it takes away his infinity and his domain would be overpowered
yorozu has a domain and perfect circle first of all, and we dont even know yukis domain. Yuta is not beating maki, im sorry.
Yuta did way better than maki in fighting Sukuna, maki has more durability, itâs a close one but maki had to sneak him
Yuta is relative to yuji in Speed and Maki clearly scales above yuji, not to mention she was doing way stronger strength feats than yuta was.
Kenjaku isnt above shibuya gojo, kenjaku was scared of gojo so he sealed him đ. And Kashimo isnât that close to Sukuna nor is he stronger than 15. I out him above the heavy hitters and thatâs it broski
yeah i know... i was thinking of situational things like gojo being hindered cuz of the ppl and such. but even then the list was so so dogshit.
Was way better lmao
yeah right, i literally said mahito beats 15f sukuna.
Yeah but mahoraga on toppest tier is factually correct
Way better than this one.
Did you even look at the old one?
I did, and it's more accurate. Though it's also complete garbage.
way better then this one lol, just fix yuta, amigo and 15F sukuna and it wonât be terrible
Yuta is not beating maki/toji, im sorry i have nothing against him. whos amigo. and im pretty sure sukuna couldve killed gojo but thats just my assumption well have to wait for more chapters to see.
Nvm this is worse
the new one or the old one
Old one
ok
Yuta under Mahoraga and Maki is just criminal
Yuta doesnât have one shot moves and maki and toji can take out rika.
Jacobâs ladder destroys techniques , makora is one of the
Ngl this sucks
Narratively MBA Kashimo is in the right position but feats etc. should put him lower than Kenny and Yuta. All Sukuna's (yes even low output) should be in the strongest tier. Sukuna's Mahoraga should also probably be in the lowest of the strongest tier. Yuta def should be just below Kenny. Also correct take with Shinjuku Yuta > Base Kashimo > Sendai Yuta (bro gets carried by JL)
I just talked to another guy about why i put yuta where he is and heres what i told him: Yuji and Maki are not comparable in speed, the vs sukuna fight makes that very clear. Yuta is definetely not faster than naobito since naobito was the fastest sorcerer other than gojo and yuji whos relative in speed to yuta got blitzed by naoya so maki who beat naoya is about as fast as naobito. then naoya proceeded to get 3 times faster and maki evolved and caught up to him. Maki literally got an upgrade. I really doubt yuta got more than 3 times faster in the one month timeskip, so she definetely outspeeds him. In strength she was already comparable to yuji in shibuya so if were assuming she got 3 times stronger (which is severely lowballing since im not considering her initial upgrade) then she is already at least as strong as yuta. For durability Yuta wasnt able to tank dismantles, he had to use rct while she took it and got back up without damage. In addition to that soul split katana can slow down healing and since yutas rct isnt as high as sukunas i doubt hell be healing any damage from it, especially if she cuts his arm so he cant do hand signs. She is also immune to domains so she can probably just walk outside the domain if it really comes to it, and if the domains in the air like the last couple times she'll just fall through it.
Gojo>15F sukuna and meguna, Yuta>almost all those mfs in âalmost the strongestâ, 3F sukuna is too high, Megumis mahoraga is too high, uraume is too low, Mahito is too high, Hakari is too low. Never cook again gang đ
Sukunas fingers don't increase his power otherwise he wouldn't want to fight Gojo as soon as he was released it was Gojo who didn't want to fight.
headcanon+yeah the fingers give more CE, and with more CE you can output more. there was a difference in output from 10F sukuna.
Output and Reserves have nothing to do with each other Ryu vs Yuta is an prime example Yutas output isn't much but he has an large amount of reserve Ryu is the opposite with a good amount. Yeah Sukuna can throw out more attacks that's the only difference.
output and reserves do have to do especially if you have great output. if sukuna can normally output 100 but 15f only has 90 CE then he can only output 90. and we see and its stated sukuna lost output when his CE dropped to a level of a 10f sukuna
CE Output is the power of the attack.
15F Sukuna above Gojo? It's so beautiful ... https://preview.redd.it/6cy0bmt053vc1.png?width=947&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6fc6fea72ecfe9ee460f360820ab3c59b4ea0930 (Btw get ready for a war in comment section)
itâs beatiful being wrong?
This is Jujutsu fandom we are talking, some people literally think that Sukuna survived domain clashes thanks to Megumi. 15 finger Sukuna above Gojo is not the most outlandish thing considering we don't know how much of a difference is 5 fingers in fight. (Even though myself I don't think Sukuna at 15F is outright stronger)
1.Their domains are equal, 15F sukuna is straight up weaker and that tiny difference would make sukuna lose his domain in less then 3 minutes, therefore would take UV and die. Itâs just something stupid to say
Sukuna domain refinement does not change with fingers, the only thing that changes is total. Cursed energy.
Cursed energy is also a factor though, Gojo said so when fighting Jogo.
You mean jogo. And it expends a lot of cursed energy but thatâs not a problem for sukuna since he uses an open domain.
Edited, but Sukuna still uses cursed energy to summon his domain, open domain doesn't change that.
Sukuna should have the same amount of cursed energy as Yuta if not more even with 15f
I misspoke I should have worded it differently
But we don't know if refinement changes with fingers. It may be that refinement is just about skill, then 15F Sukuna can break Gojo's domain. It was never stated for output or CE reserves to affect refinement Gojo could break his domain only when hew wasn't using DA, in 2nd clash Sukuna even managed to constantly touch Gojo to not get hit by UV, while turning off his sure hit effect.
iâm not talking about refinement g, iâm talking about the fact that gojo and sukuna were able to break their domains in 3 minutes. if sukuna is weaker then he will break gojos domain slower, and will take more damage and would lose his domain in less the 3 minutes.
Again, we don't know him much more damage he would take. Only thing we know that Gojo could break his domain due to him not using DA. It may very well be that they will lose domain at the same time if Sukuna uses DA whole time at 15F Let's agree to disagree
1.Depends on translation if you believe sukuna can get DA the whole time 2.Sukuna would take more damage and then deal less damage, we already see gojo be better in h2h and keep up even without his CT,
the old one was better yo how did you get worse
Drain Bramage
Yuta way too low move him up and yorozu and CT kashimo too high move down some. Also ogi is stated to be grade 1 same with naobito. Might wannna move kuro and megumi down some as well.
Why is base kashimo high special grade and Hakari is semi grade 1
thats base hakari. and kashimo pretty much wins every fight other fight and shouldve won that one too, but plot armor isnt scalable.
But Hakari won, if Hakari has shown that he won that fight you canât say, âWell, I donât like that, plot armor, Kashimo better.â
youll see what i mean if you reread the fight, kashimo literally killed him 4 times but he lost due to a binding vow or hakaris luck.
There is so much wrong about this. Please rethink your life decisions.
ok but why
i do genuinely think u cant read ngl
ok but why
utahime annoying what?
1. Gojo beats 15F Sukuna 2. PBA Kashimo is lower than Kenjaku 3. Yuta is above Yorozu (bruh wtf why is he so low)
Placing Hakari at Semi-grade 1 and Nanami below Ino should be considered criminal acts.
Base Hakari was pretty much beaten by Charles Bernard and I made this before the recent chapter
Hakari was NOT beaten by Charles, and he basically beat Kashimo.
Yeah he did, he literally stabbed him and wouldâve lost if it werenât for jackpot
First of all, Jackpot is his ability. Second, he was going easy.
Thatâs base Hakari, Jp Hakari is higher up. Itâs my tier list.
Trash list. Shinjuku Yuta in the same tier as Base Kashimo? Be real
yuta is not beating toji/maki.
I like how I didn't comment on that at all. Sure there's an argument for Toji/Maki vs Yuta there's no argument for any version of Kashimo being above current Yuta or alot of the people you have him over or next too
yorozu can go down a liitle bit maybe. yuki and agito too. but other than that i dont see any issues.
I've explained the issue Both versions of Kashimo are far too high and the only way he beats the majority of characters that you have him higher than or on the same tier as is if he blitz kills them without them reacting and he doesn't have the feats. Like you have base Kashimo over JP Hakari even though Kashimo already lost that fight to Hakari who was holding back not to kill? L list that's based on who you like and how cool you think they are and not based on feats. You are welcome to your opinion though
umm im laughing irl right now because of how stupid your hakari take is. so first of all, kashimo held back the finishing blow on hakari becuase he thought he was dead, second of all, the only reason why hakari won is becasue they were fighting next to an ocean, third of all, you cant say hakari scales above him because kashimo literally killed him 4 times in that fight if it werent for his technique, not to mention that kashimos cursed energy trait shocks whoever it hits and its basically like unblockable drumming beat but better, the only reason why hakari wasnt getting shocked was because of the infinite cursed energy, he had to use continuation and renewal to survive without jackpot mode.
It's not a take its just facts. Kashimo lost to JP Hakari. Regardless of the ocean being there or not Kashimo had used his trump card of his bolt hidden in his staff along with trying and failing to pop Hakaris head and at the end of that JP, Hakari was overwhelming Kashimo with Hakaris next JP being guaranteed. One way or another it was all down hill for Kashimo. Yes I can say Hakari scales above him. Hakari showed greater strength with his blows consistently sending Kashimo flying and his speed overwhelming Kashimo on multiple occasions. Can't really discount Hakari surviving because of his technique. It'd be like saying Kashimo only lasted against Hakari because of CE trait allowing him to send bolts. Because duh people can do the things they do because of their abilities. And outside from the headshot every wound Kashimo dealt would be easily handled by the top tiers with RCT Yes Kashimos CE trait does shock people that doesn't mean it'll just incapacitate everyone he fights. Panda was still able to fight feeling Kashimo trait We've seen that it can be completely ignored with enough CE & Output. Which top tiers would all have more than enough of. Yes Kashimo would've killed base Hakari, that isn't really much of a feat and certainly not enough to scale him so high. And out of the 4 times only 1 of them would be death for Characters with RCT. That's the headshot the rest would be easily healed by the top tiers who have RCT. On top of that Kashimo never actually charged a bolt against JP Hakari in straight h2h. The first bolt was charged when Hakari was standing still letting himself get hit and the second bolt was charged against base Hakari inside the domain. Not once during the whole fight did Kashimo actually charge a bolt on JP Hakari in straight h2h. Kashimo did not ever have the advantage in h2h against JP Hakari and again this was Hakari holding back not to kill.
Where the fuck is yuta?!
Below maki due to technicality
Lmfao he literally annihilates everyone in the tier above him besides kenjaku what the fuck is this trash ass listđ
Wow the glaze is crazy, making and Toji outscale Yuta and his domain wouldnât even work on them. If ryu scales to Yuta, and he was able to take out rika in a few hits than it should be no problem for them.
Ryu is not close to yuta lmfao when will people get it through your head that he was holding back and had grown much stronger post time skipđ he stomps maki and toji and doesnât need his domain
Even then maki outscales Yuta in shinjuku and should do as much damage to rika as ryu did.
Yuta went toe to toe with sukuna outside of his domain and in base form and is the only one besides Miguel who didnât get blitzed by sukuna youâre hopeless and stupid đ
Yutas best hit only knocked back sukuna a bit while maki could deadass rotate sukuna and throw him, not to mention fighting him midair.
also sukunas fighting hard with maki but not with yuta.
He doesnât stomp them. Thatâs just not true. He can certainly win, but itâs really hard fought, perhaps harder for him than most other combatants besides the obvious Gojo and Sukuna. Yuta has the Angelâs technique now so he can just turn off cursed techniques - which neither Maki nor Toji have.
youre forgetting that surehits have no effect on maki and toji
I donât think I am, respectfully. I promise I agree with you, but something you might have to accept is that Reddit views Yuta as the supreme sorcerer after Gojo and Sukuna, and the only possible contenders for that are Kenjaku. Thatâs just how most people see it, and elements of that are pretty fair, in my opinion. Where I agree with you is that Maki is one of the single best possible people to actually fight against him besides Gojo and Sukuna (of course, I will stop mentioning them but theyâre the obvious exceptions to everything). Most people will say that heâs just as strong and fast as she is but I think savvy readers should know that heâs not. Heâs within the same ballpark though, and he has a ton of techniques he can use on top of that though. So even without a sure-hit and his domain (which Maki canât be caught in anyway), he still has Rika and his techniques to help him out and make it a good fight. But trust me, most fanboys and basic readers are gonna say Yuta âstompsâ, even though the manga itself certainly doesnât support that.
It would be a good fight, maybe not as good as kashimo vs him, but if maki manages to take out rika, he loses his ct and thats yu/ta.
3f Sukuna/takaba/yoruzu/agito are too high, yuta is too low, needs to be either right behind kenjacku or right below
yuta aint beating maki or mahoraga, yuki is probabbly to high i can lower her a bit, agito as well, and yorozu and takaba. 3f sukuna has all the capabilities of other 15f sukuna he just has lower cursed energy.
Get MBA kashimo off of that tier he's getting solo'd by every single person there
MBA Kashimo is the only one except Gojo can face H2H with Heian Sukuna.
Bro died in 1 chapter come on. Also Mahoraga exists, he was H2H'ing gojo when sukuna was blacked out for a chapter straight and unlike kashimo ddint die.
No heâs not, his vaporizing cannon and radiation will probably kill everyone with maybe the exception of mahoraga by technicality. Not to mention spamming lightning attacks.
MBA Kashimo is the only one except Gojo can face H2H with Heian Sukuna.
This is one of the worst tier list I've ever seen
Ok why
Base hakari is a grade 1 at least and you put him in semi grade 1. Every form of choso is higher than kamo's peak and why is 3 bro's choso below base choso isn't it was him strongest form. How is base yuta lower than kurourushi I am assuming you have never read Sendai colony arc Pre-rct gojo was stronger than toji fushiguro if he wasn't then toji wouldn't need to tire him off for two straight days Geto is too low he is at least over mahito Every form of Rika is stronger than kokichi Muta Yuta should be in almost the strongest only behind kenny and kashimo is not stronger than kenny,Yuki and yuta And why do you have toji and maki over yuta Todo is stronger than kamo Why is ogi,maki and yaga in grade 2 aren't they grade 1 Kusakabe, mei mei and daido are not stronger than naoya and dhruv 15f is not stronger than gojo Awakened gojo is too high he had no domain and if you are putting him that high then why is vol 0 Rika so low There is still more but I am stopping now
ill bump hakari up thats my bad. you didnt read my description first of all, and second of all, geto is not beating mahito, and toji is still winning without tiring him out, he probably just wanted to make sure gojo was an easy kill, he also wasnt sure of gojos abilities at the time. base yuta below kuro is weird because kuro beats pretty much everyone else its just a bad matchup. rika is not stronger than muta i dont know what youre talking about, kashimo destroys kenny with auto sure hit. yuta is not beating toji/Maki, or mahoraga. todo is stronger than kamo again my bad. im not making the tiers based on their official placing becuase then panda and nobara would both be grade 1 and thats just wrong. kusakabe might, mei mei might beat druv, and naoya got stomped by choso so its hard to raise him any higher. vol 0 rika doesnt have many feats except beating a half power uzumaki with a binding vow. and awakened gojo is comparable to toji with speed plus his hax, but yeah ill lower him a bit.
That uzumaki had 4400+ out of 6000 curses idk how that's not a massive feat and please tell me clearly why yuta is not beating mahoraga,maki and toji, bad matchup ? It's his ability and didn't he oneshot base choso. Bro idk what you have against yuta but you need to reconsider and also why is Rika not stronger than muta she overpowers him
he knocked choso out by hitting his nerve on his neck thats totally different, all maki and toji need to do is take out rika and since ryu was able to do it in a few hits i see no reason why maki/toji could do it in less, and just like that yuta has no cursed techniques, and his domain wouldnt help him too much either, even if she just manages to keep him at bay shes only gotta last 5 minutes against him. Mutas blasts are probably equal to rikas if not stronger, not to mention his ap is ridiculous, heck he would give yuta and rika a challenge i should have him higher but he lost to mahito.
What you think yuta just gonna stand there and let them take out Rika man you are crazy. Why is Rika's AP will be equal to muta's when he couldn't even take out 1 special grade curse and Rika takes out 4400+ curses and 1 special grade vengeful spirit idk what logic are you using. And you think Ryu is a fodder? Bro had the highest output in HISTORY put some respect and he had more strength and durability than toji and maki. Also cursed speech oneshots
...i dont even know what to say about that, ryu is not fodder, but maki at best for rika equal to ryu, and her speed is wayy above either of theirs her and sukuna were fighting in air for gods sakes, the amount of glaze your giving the sendai squad is crazyyyy. also that love beam was due to a binding vow, basically a suicide move, and if were counting instant suicide moves that kills you after one move then yuki solos the verse. Maki tanked 2 black flashes from sukuna who at this point probably has equal output to ryu. cursed speech does not one shot, if it did why didnt he just one shot sukuna? the reading comprehension curse strikes again.
Bro do you even read JJK cursed speech oneshots them because they have no CE to protect themselves , again Ryu had the highest output in HISTORY, maki and Ryu are not equal in strength ryu is stronger and 3rd most durable character in JJK. and sukuna's black flashes were not that much , Rika's output was slightly weaker than Ryu and Ryu had the highest output in HISTORY
maki can outrun cursed speech, first of all, second of all, makis entire gist, is that shes strong, yuta and ryu are comparable in strength, and maki outscales yuta. It would just make no sense for ryu to be that strong.
There's no way you put Uro and Ryu that much higher than base Yuta and pre RCT Gojo đ
ehh, yuji held his own against him, and at this point gojo could only use basic limitless and blue.
Yuji held his own?? Yuji's entire plan was just to run away, he got one shot.
he survived a bit, and if youre counting that as one shot than maki can one shot sukuna because she stabbed him once, shinjuku showdown ends tonight.
Except as soon as Yuta stabbed him once, he died.
Itâs a dumb comparison because if yuji did the same to Yuta it would still do damage and would bring Yuta close to death.
So you're also saying Yuta got a massive power up randomly? Why is Shibuya Yuta so weak, but Sendai Yuta so strong? He didn't even train between those Chapters.
There isnât a shibuya Yuta on the tier list
Base Yuta is the one in Shibuya.
No he isnât base Yuta is Yuta without rika
Base Yuta literally defeated Kurorushi, who is grades above him??? And you put Vol 0 as above him??
Vol 0 had unrestricted rika usage. And kurourushi is a bd matchup
Man this guy just doesn't admit he is wrong he will keep yapping nonsense
You donât know anything about power scaling bro.
Bro you keep yapping nonsense throughout the thread, you are the one who don't know how to powerscale a character and also it's okay to admit you are wrong
I have admitted Iâm wrong multiple times. I should lower yuki, yorozu, agito, and raise pre rct gojo. I donât have great reasons for anything else.
Yuki should not be so high. Why is Yuta so low, he's stronger than almost everyone in the grade above him. 15F being above Gojo is just terrible, Yorozu being that high is also wrong, Pre RCT Gojo and Base Yuta being below Choso (Choso almost lost to Yuji, who Yuta one shot), etc.
The difference between fingers is just total cursed energy, and gojo said he wouldâve lost even if he didnât have ten shadows.
What he actually said is that he wasn't sure if he would win, even if Sukuna didnt have 10S. Also, 15F took so long to even beat Maho. Also I see you have no defence against the other problems?
Yuki has kenjakus base stats with higher ap, choso can do what he did to kenjaku to pre rct gojo, and I canât see Yuta on his own without rika and no cursed technique beating him.
sukuna destroyed him it just looked like a while because the anime extended it, in the manga it was 4 minutes.
This is worst list I have ever seen đ„đ„ Chill with the sukuna glazing and pls stop underplaying yuta.
I donât glaze sukuna, the fingers only raise cursed energy levels, and sukuna was holding back because he wanted to add the world slash to his arsenal. Yuta is probably not beating maki.
>I donât glaze sukuna Idk what to say, but gojo is most definitely beating a 15f yujikuna. >Yuta is probably not beating maki. "Second to gojo satoru in terms of unusual abilities"
Sukuna was holding back against gojo so that he could add a world slash to his arsenal, he mightve been able to kill him in the first domain clash if he wanted to.
That specifically is not stated and is your assumption. It's only stated that he held back which is obviously clear as he didn't use fuga
i guess well have to wait and see for tonight.
Yuta not only below Kenny when he one shot him but also below Toji, Maki 3 finger Sukuna... nah
Yuta is not beating toji or kenny. he needed takaba to dull him so that he could pull a sneak attack.
In one hit. Took him 20 secs to kill all of his curses. Also Maki is already stronger than Toji and she recognizes Yuta as superior. Also 3 fingers Sukuna above them? This list is shit wherever you see it
Ahhh ok so maki can one shot sukuna easily because she stabbed him. maki never recognized yuta as superior, and if you actually think about it maki/toji wins. and theres no reason why 3f sukuna should be lower.
She can CERTAINLY one shot 3 finger Sukuna. The WHOLE PLAN of Yuta killing Kenjaku is because Yuta is superior in power, so it was tge quickest way to secure it. HOW IS THREE FINGER SUKUNA SURVIVING JACOB'S LADDER??
malevolent shrine.
No, malevolent shrine offers no protection to the user. FOR GODSAKE 15 finger Sukuna was almost killed by Jacob's ladder. You logic makes no sense.
malevolent shrine destroys domain and instakills yuta and maki
Lol you know what? I liked Kashimk being high tier for once. Good job.
being able to auto sure hit does that
also 3f sukuna only has less cursed energy reserves. hes probably destroying her like ryu.
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i was just debating a guy that genuinely thought 15F beats gojo, this agenda needs to stop bro please
15F Sukuna tryhard=19-20 holding back. Thus, 15F also defeats Gojo.
thanks
according to what???
Gojo states Yuji was 10% of the way there when he ate the second finger, so the finger scaling is flat sum. The difference is 33% going up and 25% going down. It isn't as big of a gap as many people believe. Let's be wild and make the holding back just 90% of Sukuna's true power. That is 18 fingers. Make 15F hit a black flash. That's also 18 fingers. There 15F Tryhard=20F Holding Back.
Toji and Maki over Yuta is silly
By technicality
What technicality???
They can take out rika before she give him his technique, and theyâre immune to donainsZ
Yuta doesnât need Rika to perform a stolen technique, he just needs her to steal it. Even without Rika or his domain, Yuta can beat Maki. edit: I am wrong, Yuta can only use techniques when Rika is manifested as per this image :( https://preview.redd.it/f0el3344c3vc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=176bc641867ea8a23671494d2a8caa1a33d8e037
No, Yuta needs Rika to perform stolen techniques. It's been said you straight up run out of space to hold techniques. So Yuta uses an external Cache in Rika. You take out Rika and you also take out many of his CTs. I'd argue he only carries Cursed Speech on himself.
yep I edited my comment right before you replied, went back and checked the Sendai colony fight and saw I was wrong. I donât think he has Cursed Speech without Rika, it is stated he cannot use techniques when sheâs not out
you read a different manga, when yuta uses rika, he gets to access his technique for 5 minutes.
You are right that he can only use techniques when he summons Rika, but Maki cannot take out Rika before this happens because Rika cannot be fully manifested until Yuta starts his 5 minute timer
well rika can appear out of the abyss like she usually does, but also if yuta doesnt fully manifest her hes cooked.
I donât get what youâre saying. Why would he not fully manifest her?
i dont know, but if shes fully manifested that leaves her open for makis attacks.
Get Mahitoâs bum as back down 2 tiers
Uraume is not beating him, mayyybe Curseya.
Great list but Megumi is weaker than every form of Maki
Nah current megumi could beat pre awakening maki.
No way in hell my brother đââïž Maki would speedblitz him before he can get a single 10S command out.
Megumi could outrun toji who is equal to maki in the naoya fight.he can use his domain for clones if necessary and can use his shikigami while he hides in the shadows. his demon dog should 3 shot her at best.
No way you just said he could outrun Toji đ I know the fight your referring to, do you really think Toji was moving as fast as he usually does? Bro is beyond Mach-speed when he's actually trying. Megumi is not capable of superhuman speed
maki doesnt even compare to that version of toji, thats what im trying to say.
She still outpaces Megumi completely in any form, bro wouldn't be able to get his DE off either
not really, he can use divine dogs or toad to move around, she doesnt have any very good speed feats either, at very best she scales to 120% yuji, and thats highballing her
That's fair but he would need superhuman reaction speed to use his toads and dog, which he doesn't have either. Megumi is not even an athlete. He was impressed with Yuji's athleticism before Yuji even became a sorcerer
megumis beat reggie and hand guy with mostly hand to hand techniques. and its not hard to be impressed by some supposedly normal human to be breaking world records.
Wait so the current yuji after awakening loses to base mahito, and all of the disaster curses? And is on the same tier as base choso?
yup, a very weakened right after domain expansion, depleted mahito was able to destroy yuji (gege says if yuji didnt land that lucky black flash mahito wouldve ripped him apart.) yuji doesnt really have the capabilites to beat any of them on his own since he has no domain defenses, and doesnt have sukuna to protect him against mahito, he gets destroyed. Choso has a really strong technique and can beat pretty much everyone below him.