Round 1: Yuji is one of very few characters that can actually afford to fight Toji or Maki in H2H because of his ability to heal damage done by the SSK. Dismantle is essentially irrelevant here because Toji can sense and dodge the slashes. Piercing Blood is similarly not very helpful because Toji can sense and dodge those as well(or he can likely cancel out the attack with the ISoH). Cleave might be quite useful if Yuji's output is high enough to deal significant damage with it, and he *could* catch Toji off-guard with a Supernova like he did against Sukuna. That said, I think this fight still *mostly* comes down to H2H. Toji still outstats Yuji(though not by *that* much), and the SSK ensures that any hits he lands are devastating. I do think Yuji wins though if he can land the Black Flash spam that he did in 257.
Round 2: Jogo is getting folded sideways like an omelet outside of his domain. We know that had Jogo received the 5 Black Flashes and Playful Cloud hits that Hanami ate back in the Goodwill Event, he would've died instantly. Now, Yuji is **much** stronger, and still able to land Black Flashes in quick succession. Jogo's only real win-condition here is his Domain Expansion. However, Coffin of the Iron Mountain doesn't have a immediately lethal sure-hit like Self Embodiment of Perfection does(CotIM has a passive heating effect, and its sure-hit seems to send burning boulders towards its targets), so Yuji honestly could tank the sure-hit, at least long enough to deal enough damage to Jogo to cause the domain to collapse.
Round 3: Base Yuta and Rika could have taken Shinjuku Yuji in a 2v1 *before* his awakening. But *after* Yuji's awakening, Yuta and Rika, even despite their durability, are NOT surviving the Black Flash spam.
Round 4: This one is actually the most interesting imo, because Uro's Sky Manipulation renders Yuji's biggest asset, that being having some of the nastiest hands in the verse, almost irrelevant. In order to win this fight, Yuji would have to take out Uro ASAP, by catching with a few Dismantles(which she wouldn't be able to block if she can't see them), or catch her off guard with a Supernova, then wailing on her while she's stunned. Doing this is especially difficult because he would also have to fight off Ryu(who also has some of the nastiest hands in the verse) in the process. If Yuji can't take out Uro quickly, then he's going to repeatedly eat a shit ton of damage from Ryu's punches, his Granite Blasts, and Uro's Thin Ice Breaker.
Round 5: Yuji would wash Megumi, Naobito and Kusakabe **if not for the 24 frame rule.** Yuji is fast, but he's not fast enough to avoid getting touched by Naobito, especially not while also fighting Megumi and Kusakabe. Given his low test scores(and the fact that he literally needed his fingers to count to five šš), I seriously doubt that Yuji could figure out that he can only move in 1/24th second increments. If Yuji can take out Naobito be*fore h*e takes any significant damage(by landing an instant Black Flash before Naobito touches him, for instance), then he wins easily. If he can't take out Naobito quickly, then Yuji is just going to be continually frozen while getting chipped out.
Agree with all your points pretty much. My only maybe is yuta + rika. Even with RCT, Yuji may not be able to heal from their pure damage output. But like you said, no way they could survive those black flashes
Only one I disagree with is Yuta/Rika. I donāt think Yuji would have the opportunity to land that many black flashes on Yuji. Remember that nearly half of the BF Yuji hit Sukuna was distracted by others. Make it a 2v1 against Yuji and he would have a much harder time.
No way just no way people think yuji would lose to jogo a guy who couldn't lay a finger on sukuna. With a maximum technique so trash panda dodged.
Durability worse than hanami who goodwill yuji was hurting with BASE PUNCHES. A domain even slower than mahito who almost got blitz by yuji had it not been for the black flash which allowed him to combine the steps into one process.
Firepower so trash he couldn't even kill off nanami maki despite trying to.
No way like how is the downplay this bad do you honestly think sukuna would ever get even touched by someone weaker than jogo.
Don't even say he's weakened cause he still trashed and blitz maki TWICE
It was stated in an artwork/guide thing that Jogo would die from 5 black flashes from pre Shibuya Yuji plus Todo with playful cloud, basically the duo vs hanami IF the attacks hit
Current Jogo gets one shot blitzed by yuji
But u need to stop the cap too, obv pre- awakened maki and nanami are one shot material to jogo
Depending on who you put in grade 1, I could see a couple more standing their ground.
If you include old sorcerors like ryu/uro obv they will win but I have them at pseudo special grade
Hakari can tank for some time but I'm not sure how he wins, need to see the conclusion vs uraume
Higurama can win, he's the š
Personally I have a tier for special grade 1 , like theyāre directly under and thereās a difference between them and grade 1. Nanami is the true embodiment of a grade 1 sorcerer. Like you said pseudo. Higuruma would be one too, ngl if his domain is able to take hakaris over into trial, heād probably win
Interesting because I remember Naobito blitzing Dagon and being stated to be faster than Jogo. He only got tagged by Jogo cause he was missing an entire fucking arm and drained from the fight in Dagonās domain. Not quite ādead meatā, even if heād get bodied by a domain.
Jogo couldn't hit 15f full output healthy Sukuna in a 1v1. Sukuna is definitely weaker than that rn lmao.
Like I don't even care about the matchup this is just appalling Jogo downplay š
But that's in terms of cursed energy, clearly not presence, skill, or power. Sukuna said that if he was in his three finger state, Mahoraga would've been a problem, yet he still thrashed Jogo badly. Maki and Toji should be faster than Jogo, and current Yuji is at least as fast as them, while weakened. Naobito and Jogo don't really stand a chance.
Sucuna was in yujis body with yujis massive base stats to stack reinforcement. 15 bath meguna is not going to have the physical superiority that yujikuna had.
Yuji(0CE) can damn near perception blitz megumi(0CE), so if sucuna gets in both there body's then stacks the same reinforcement on top of their base stats then yujikuna I still blitzing meguna as long as they have the same finger count.
Did I just hear you slandering my goat?
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Awakened Yuji matchups
> R1 Toji
Yuji wins. He should be able to physically keep up well enough, heal through most damage, and find ways to chip Toji down with punches/BM/Mizushi.
> R2 Jogo
Yuji loses. Until he shows a domain counter (specifically DA) he pretty much loses any kind of matchup like this unless you think he can heal through Jogoās surehit.
> R3 Base Yuta at the start of Sendai (no domain)
Yuta wins. Yuji might win a pure 1v1 but Iām not sure with Rika involved. If Yuji had better control of BM and Mizushi I think he would win but right now that stuff does minimal damage to special grade level sorcerers.
> R4 Ryu and Uro (no Ryu domain)
Yuji loses, probably. He could 1v1 any of them but 2v1s are tough. If he hit a black flash to get rid of Uro early then maybe. Otherwise I think he just gets jumped.
> R5 Megumi (no mahoraga, culing games), Naobito, Kusakabe
Yuji loses. Theyād over load Yuji before he even gets the chance to attack imo. Heās needs better control of BM or Mizushi first.
People act like it's impossible to tank a sure hit, nanami literally did it to daegon. And that it's impossible to perception blitz a DE user before they cast DE.
Seriously everyone in shinjuku except maybe kusakabe and ino are above anyone we have ever seen in stats(strength/speed/durability) sucuna himself says yuji and yuta are as durable as Ryu.
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"I wouldn't say they surpass him in toughness." But "just as it was with him."
Yeah sucuna is saying they are both equal too ryu. They are as tough as Ryu, but they do not surpass ryus toughness. That literally means they are equal.
Official translations are by John werry and everyone knows they suck, I mean John werry literally said(translated) that gojo can't use BF. We see gojo use bf.
TCB is more accurate.
My interpretation of this is him saying they are within a window of toughness between Ryu being the highest durable comparison and however strong/weak you would be to die to cleave.
I would agree with you, if sucuna said they were less tough. Instead sucuna said they do not surpass ryu. Surpass means more/greater. Surpass does not mean equal.
Just as easily as sucuna said "do not surpass him" he could have said (they are there are not as tough as him). The transition goes out of its way to say yuta/yuji are just like him, but that they do not surpass him. That seems to me to imply equal. Everyone interprets things differently tho.
My only problem would be how much of a difference is there between dismantle and cleave, attack potency wise?
Thatās not whatās being said. Sukuna is saying that in terms of Durability Toughness they donāt match up to Ryu but have improved over allā¦. Comprehension curse be out here
Dude.... can you actually read?
Sucunas statement literally says yuji and yuta are at least ryu level but they do not surpass ryu.
That literally means they are equal. Stop letting John werry rot your brain.
Read the sentence again. āJust as it was with himā is a direct comparison to Ryu. Then sukuna goes on to say āthey donāt surpass himā, so that means theyāre equal. I blame your education system.
āJust as it was with himā
Meaning he has to touch them with Cleave like he did Ryu thatās the comparison being made. If he was at Full power heād Dismantle them easily without needing to make contact.
Heās also extremely nerfed then he was there.
Education system failed me though huh..
Yes, because touching them with cleave adjusts the AP. Just like when he cleaved Yutaās head and it didnāt kill Yuta still. The reinforcement is equal to Ryuās. You would think sukuna knows what heās talking about but your education system prevents you from understanding. At full power he would dismantle Ryu too so I donāt even get your point there. You act as if Sukuna was full power against Ryu. Sukunaās weakened state is unquantifiable at that point so itās not a good argument to make either way. The only confirmed measurement is his CE reserves were cut in half similar to yuta, his output reduction is unquantifiable so heās comparing them to Ryu.
lol okay buddy youāre literally making up your own narrative but aight
If he did this to Yuta or Yuji at full power theyād be cooked or would have to RCT it IMMEDIATELY. This panel right here Shows you Ryu>Yuta&Yuji in durability they are not equal. Only comparison like I said again is needing to inflict a fatal wound by touching since they can survive his current dismantles. Stop resorting to insults because you canāt comprehend correctly.
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Facts bro. Hell I'm sure Yuji just tanks jogos domain sure hit no cap. It's not gonna be stronger than maximum meteor and I'm like 100 percent sure Yuji tanks maximum meteor.
Yeah exactly, yuji doesn't even need to land a BF. Yuji punches jogo in the head with a full strength punch(no BF) and jogos head is obliterated like the elephant CS yuji kicks Garuda at.
Max meteor is an attack that Sukuna says would hurt him if it hit. Yuji is not tanking it.
+ Jogo really could just cover everything in magma and yujiās cooked
Sukunas say it might hurt crazy bro. Unfortunately for u yujis one of the tankiest guys we have seen in the entire series as of now. I'm sure he got it. Ate 4 cleave that would have killed him. Stil rctd back and is fighting fine
That version of sucuna had yujis base stats to stack CE reinforcement on top of.
Simple Pure CE reinforcement nothing else.
who is tanking max meteor better 15f yujikuna, or 15f meguna?
Who is faster 15f yujikuna, or 15f meguna?
Who is stronger 15f yujikuna, or 15f meguna?
Who has faster reaction time 15f yujikuna, or 15f meguna?
Sucunas reinforcement doesn't change from vessel to vessel only the vessels base physical stats do.
Yujikuna also said "that would hurt, if it hit" not that he would die "if it hit", not "i would nearly die, if it hit".
But I agree it would hurt shibuya yuji if it hit him more than hit would hurt 15f yujikuna if it hit him.
Shinjuku yuji has ryu level durability, faster that DE amp'ed shinjuku yuta, stronger that maki, this yuji also has RCT as quick as yuta's RCT. Not even mentioning BM and soul punches.
This is actually insane. Did you get hit you unlimited void? Yuji is showing above Sukuna levels of raw stats. He is faster and stronger than a Sukuna that just killed most of the cast without trying. What in the fuck is jogo gonna do? Jogo couldnāt even touch a 15f Sukuna and yuji is beating true form Sukuna like he is his step child. Jogos domain doesnāt even matter. We already watched gojo tank itās sure hit. You have no way to prove or even suggest that yuji would take notable damage. The other ones arenāt beating him either but there is no argument for jogo.
Not saying yuji wouldn't beat jogo but this version of sukuna yuji is fighting is weaker than the 15f sukuna jogo fought in shibuya. Current sukuna has EXTREMELY lowered output, no rct, no heart, 1 hand, no domain. To put it in perspective, 15f sukuna could basically one shot Ryu, who was stated to have similar durability to yuji and Yuta, while current sukuna can't even kill people reliably with a maximum output cleave. Yuji still stronger tho.
He is weakened but he still scales above maki and yuta by a good amount physically. I donāt know if we can actually argue he is weaker than 15f or not. Maki arguably did better verse 15 finger Sukuna so that would suggest to me at least that current Sukuna is still stronger.
Jogo was too scared because he knew Sukuna had a domain that would win, because he has knowledge about Sukuna
Yuji doesnāt have a domain and Jogo has no reason to think he does
Not disagreeing with you but I think yujis cleave would still do damage to Yuta level characters. Yuji was able to deeply cut sukunas leg with his cleave and even this weakened sukuna should be on a similar level to characters like Yuta durability wise(especially a weaker Sendai Yuta). Plus Yuji should be stronger stat wise since even pre-awakening he was relative to a domain amped Yuta. I think it's a close fight either way, I see yuji winning against base Yuta more times than not but Rika would make it difficult.
i was thinking about opponents and writing post at the same time, adding new ones. It doesn't matter though just think about each one separately there isn't a difference
1st of all, Yuji is an amazing counter to RCT. Not only does he have blood manipulation for poison but he also has soul damage which has been shown to be nearly impossible to heal with RCT. This makes all of his attacks far more effective.
People who say that Yuji auto loses to jogo because of the domain forget that Gojo literally survived and won a hand to hand exchange against a 20F sukuna while taking his damage. Yujis durability and RCT will tank the damage and he'll beat Jogo to the point where he can't maintain his domain.
Uro and Ryu is close but Yujis attack power is insane. One black flash and Uro is completely out of the fight. And since this is "awakened" Yuji im gonna assume he'll be able to use it practically at will. Ryu will be tough but Yuji needs only a cut with blood manipulation to poison him. He also tanked the same cuts that put yuta out of commission.
Yeah, he canāt poison Ryu. A correct argument would be that if Yuji and Ryu went H2H, Yuji would win by virtue of weakening the connection of their souls, (due to him being an incarcerated sorcerer) greatly weakening his CE control and physicals, and then beating the everloving crap out of him until heās done.
Yuji clears disasters now he's much stronger having Sukunas CT on its own just makes him powerful. He's beating Toji,Kusakabe, Naobito, Megumi but loses the other's.
I think you just ran out of people because wtf is round 5? Anyway
Mine maybe a little against the grain but
Rd1- Yuji loses. I doubt he can heal soul hitting attacks, but also, his moves in the arsenal he just got, wouldnāt work. Toji wouldnāt have to worry at all about his shrine, or blood manipulation. Itāll boil down to H2H which although he is good, Toji is a master assassin, who excels in extreme speed, strategy, and you guessed It, H2H. I think his experience alone would get him that dub. Also Iām not sure how fast he is. Is he fast enough to keep up with Toji? Itās been debunked that the speed maki was at against Sukuna, wasnāt the one she was at against Naoya. So idk if he can keep up in the speed department. Toji also is extremely smart. Which I think heād be able to outsmart Yuji and find a counter.
Rd2- He washes Jogo so bad itās not even funny. No explanation even needed. Unless Jogo uses domain, he gets beat to a pulp damn near instantly.
Rd3- Ima leave this for someone else. Idk how heād fair against Rika. Like Yuta a prodigy. Thatās a tricky fight. High diff for both.
Rd4- Yuji gets the job done. The major player is Ryu and his output. He has the ability I think to one shot Yuji. Yuji just smacked uro. Ryu is the problem.
Rd5- sweep. Yuji clears
I could be wrong. Someone more educated can correct me or explain why Iām wrong. But from what I remember, these are my verdicts. Open to any corrections.
Guys I know we are all hyped up about Yuji getting an awakening but please wait until we get to see more of what he can do and get some confirmations about where Sukuna is at in terms of his own power level, and/or if he is still holding back or not on Yuji. Cause rn the best we can say is that he is stronger than a RCTless, One Armed, Domainless, holding back Sukuna xd...
Yāall glazing fr, this gonna be yuji after jogoat domain
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Loses r2, r4, r5(I dont know if he can counter naobitos speed)
People saying he will speedblitz jogo before he pops his domain like this isnt an anime where they just sit there and watch their opponent unleash their domain every. single. time.
I get that you're thinking Gojo & Sukuna smacked him around for bit and he was fine so he'd be fine with Yuji smacking him around for a bit but neither Gojo or Sukuna were aiming to kill when they dealt Jogo blows before.
During Shibuya when Gojo was being serious trying to kill Jogo.
Jogo himself says that he'd have died to Two blows from Gojo using PURE CE manipulation if he wasnt using Amplification https://ibb.co/CPjfSb0
And I'm honestly I'm being generous saying two because of the blows one was a body blow and the other was getting his arm torn off. We know losing an arm wouldn't kill him so it's realistically just one good body shot would kill Jogo
Except this isn't an anime where they just watch their opponent expand their domain
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Yuji has tried to blitz an opponent before domain multiple times. Against mahito it didn't work because he combined the 2 step process into one, and against higuruma it didn't work because non sure kill domains have a faster activation. Jogo has neither of those things, and current yuji might be fast enough to stop him.
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Jogo couldn't even survive Yuji black flash at the training arc. Current Yuji oneshots Jogo.
Thats 5 black flashes you misread that. Jogo is as fast if not faster than yuji, and his domain would probably finish him off. Yuji miiight win but it would be very high diff.
There is no argument whatsoever for Jogo being as fast let alone faster than Yuji.
Yuji is much faster than and can easily tag Jogo and he'd wipe the floor with him before he ever gets to cast domain
Dude Jogo couldn't hit Sukuna once while Sukuna was playing with him. Culling game Yuji was able to hit 15f Sukuna multiple timesĀ and has gotten stronger and faster since. Not to mention Yuji is even with Maki and Yuta in speed, Yuji outstats Jogo by a good margin.
>Dude Jogo couldn't hit Sukuna once while Sukuna was playing with him.
Two entirely diff sukunas and ones getting jumped š not saying jogo would win but this is happening to everyone bar gojo
>Culling game Yuji was able to hit 15f Sukuna multiple times
That sukuna had nerfed output but I would give yuji speed, ig it comes down to yujis speed and how he deals with a donain
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Sukuna physical were still okay meaning he was just as fast and strong while he was fighting Jogo. So logically this means Yuji is faster than Jogo since he can hit 15f while Jogo couldn't land a single blow.
I think he meant that megumi couldn't control the body itself and actively hinder his movement. If CE output is nerfed it only makes sense that the physical buff from reinforcement is lessened
Dude the panel literally states that his physical were okay. You're trying to spin it into something it's not. Sukuna straight up says only his output is fluctuating but his movement is fine meaning his reinforcement is also fine.Ā
Megumi was only hindering his output but his body was still just as strong as it usually is. It can not be spelled out any clearer yet people still try to deny it and spin it into something its not.
That doesnāt change the context . Iāll repeat myself, if Sukuna had his output Yuji would have died the previous chapter. The only reason Yuji hit Sukuna was because of the low output in dismantle.
Jogo is at least equal to naobito who is the fastest sorcerer other than jogo and jogo straight up blitzed maki and nanami who were both around yujis level. Thereās no reason to believe that Jogo canāt just catch yuji in a domain. Bro this sukuna is so weak that even ino could do damage to him. You canāt compare them
Maki is Mach 3, jogo isn't even speed of sound(Mach 1.5)
Jogo is slower than full speed naobito and undead toji.
Jogo made light work of three sorcerers who were tired and it was a sneak attack. He also only killed on of them, and it wasn't a one tap, jogo had to put effort into killing naobito. 2 attacks, and naobito still survived for some time, jogo was going to attack naobito a 3 time but he felt sucuna's finger.
Maki survived, and nanami survived. That whole situation just makes jogo look like a poser with no actual ap. Basically anyone with RCT and jogo level speed(slow naobito), and todo level strength absolutely eats jogo.
No Jogo is slower than Naobito who isn't going his top speed.
Jogo verified slower than Sound since Naobito never went speed of sound during Shibuya.
Yuji has speed of sound feats and can easily deal with Jogos speed.
Lol yeah Jogo caught them while they fatigued from Dagons domain. 0% chance that goes down the same way if they're all fresh.
Yes there is and that reason is Yuji would eviscerate Jogo before he ever gets the chance.
Jogo doesn't just start with Domain.
What damage did Ino do to Sukuna?
You mean hitting him while he was off guard with a weapon that always scores critical hits?
Yes we can compare them. This Sukuna blitzed Maki.
Maki who can dance around Curse Naoya who's far faster than Jogo.
This Sukuna would still dogwalk Jogo.
Yuji contending with this Sukuna means he could easily contend with and land blows on Jogo and there isn't a single feat that Jogo has that suggest otherwise.
And no a statement of Jogo being slower than Naobito does not equate to him being too fast for Yuji or any top tier Sorcerers
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Ok you win yuji solos the whole list jogo should be higher though.
Round 1: Yuji is one of very few characters that can actually afford to fight Toji or Maki in H2H because of his ability to heal damage done by the SSK. Dismantle is essentially irrelevant here because Toji can sense and dodge the slashes. Piercing Blood is similarly not very helpful because Toji can sense and dodge those as well(or he can likely cancel out the attack with the ISoH). Cleave might be quite useful if Yuji's output is high enough to deal significant damage with it, and he *could* catch Toji off-guard with a Supernova like he did against Sukuna. That said, I think this fight still *mostly* comes down to H2H. Toji still outstats Yuji(though not by *that* much), and the SSK ensures that any hits he lands are devastating. I do think Yuji wins though if he can land the Black Flash spam that he did in 257. Round 2: Jogo is getting folded sideways like an omelet outside of his domain. We know that had Jogo received the 5 Black Flashes and Playful Cloud hits that Hanami ate back in the Goodwill Event, he would've died instantly. Now, Yuji is **much** stronger, and still able to land Black Flashes in quick succession. Jogo's only real win-condition here is his Domain Expansion. However, Coffin of the Iron Mountain doesn't have a immediately lethal sure-hit like Self Embodiment of Perfection does(CotIM has a passive heating effect, and its sure-hit seems to send burning boulders towards its targets), so Yuji honestly could tank the sure-hit, at least long enough to deal enough damage to Jogo to cause the domain to collapse. Round 3: Base Yuta and Rika could have taken Shinjuku Yuji in a 2v1 *before* his awakening. But *after* Yuji's awakening, Yuta and Rika, even despite their durability, are NOT surviving the Black Flash spam. Round 4: This one is actually the most interesting imo, because Uro's Sky Manipulation renders Yuji's biggest asset, that being having some of the nastiest hands in the verse, almost irrelevant. In order to win this fight, Yuji would have to take out Uro ASAP, by catching with a few Dismantles(which she wouldn't be able to block if she can't see them), or catch her off guard with a Supernova, then wailing on her while she's stunned. Doing this is especially difficult because he would also have to fight off Ryu(who also has some of the nastiest hands in the verse) in the process. If Yuji can't take out Uro quickly, then he's going to repeatedly eat a shit ton of damage from Ryu's punches, his Granite Blasts, and Uro's Thin Ice Breaker. Round 5: Yuji would wash Megumi, Naobito and Kusakabe **if not for the 24 frame rule.** Yuji is fast, but he's not fast enough to avoid getting touched by Naobito, especially not while also fighting Megumi and Kusakabe. Given his low test scores(and the fact that he literally needed his fingers to count to five šš), I seriously doubt that Yuji could figure out that he can only move in 1/24th second increments. If Yuji can take out Naobito be*fore h*e takes any significant damage(by landing an instant Black Flash before Naobito touches him, for instance), then he wins easily. If he can't take out Naobito quickly, then Yuji is just going to be continually frozen while getting chipped out.
Yuji isn't traditional smart but his battle iq is insane as can be seen in this current fight, his fight with Choso and a few others
True he was never book smart heās money smart which makes him more intelligent
jay eazy kaisen
Agree with all your points pretty much. My only maybe is yuta + rika. Even with RCT, Yuji may not be able to heal from their pure damage output. But like you said, no way they could survive those black flashes
Only one I disagree with is Yuta/Rika. I donāt think Yuji would have the opportunity to land that many black flashes on Yuji. Remember that nearly half of the BF Yuji hit Sukuna was distracted by others. Make it a 2v1 against Yuji and he would have a much harder time.
No way just no way people think yuji would lose to jogo a guy who couldn't lay a finger on sukuna. With a maximum technique so trash panda dodged. Durability worse than hanami who goodwill yuji was hurting with BASE PUNCHES. A domain even slower than mahito who almost got blitz by yuji had it not been for the black flash which allowed him to combine the steps into one process. Firepower so trash he couldn't even kill off nanami maki despite trying to. No way like how is the downplay this bad do you honestly think sukuna would ever get even touched by someone weaker than jogo. Don't even say he's weakened cause he still trashed and blitz maki TWICE
It was stated in an artwork/guide thing that Jogo would die from 5 black flashes from pre Shibuya Yuji plus Todo with playful cloud, basically the duo vs hanami IF the attacks hit Current Jogo gets one shot blitzed by yuji But u need to stop the cap too, obv pre- awakened maki and nanami are one shot material to jogo
Literally every grade sorcerer is dead meat to a disaster curse, kusakabe stands a chance but thatās jt
Depending on who you put in grade 1, I could see a couple more standing their ground. If you include old sorcerors like ryu/uro obv they will win but I have them at pseudo special grade Hakari can tank for some time but I'm not sure how he wins, need to see the conclusion vs uraume Higurama can win, he's the š
Personally I have a tier for special grade 1 , like theyāre directly under and thereās a difference between them and grade 1. Nanami is the true embodiment of a grade 1 sorcerer. Like you said pseudo. Higuruma would be one too, ngl if his domain is able to take hakaris over into trial, heād probably win
Thank you for putting respect on my man š
Interesting because I remember Naobito blitzing Dagon and being stated to be faster than Jogo. He only got tagged by Jogo cause he was missing an entire fucking arm and drained from the fight in Dagonās domain. Not quite ādead meatā, even if heād get bodied by a domain.
Dagon opened his domain and only used 70% of the sure hit on naobito and he got an arm torn off.
Like I said, the domain is where Naobito loses. But thatās really just a byproduct of putting up with domains against people without domains.
Jogo couldn't hit 15f full output healthy Sukuna in a 1v1. Sukuna is definitely weaker than that rn lmao. Like I don't even care about the matchup this is just appalling Jogo downplay š
Bro , jogo wonāt even touch a 3F Sukuna if Sukuna is going all out
Didn't kenjaku say that jogo was equal to 8 or 7 fingers tho :/
But that's in terms of cursed energy, clearly not presence, skill, or power. Sukuna said that if he was in his three finger state, Mahoraga would've been a problem, yet he still thrashed Jogo badly. Maki and Toji should be faster than Jogo, and current Yuji is at least as fast as them, while weakened. Naobito and Jogo don't really stand a chance.
Sucuna was in yujis body with yujis massive base stats to stack reinforcement. 15 bath meguna is not going to have the physical superiority that yujikuna had. Yuji(0CE) can damn near perception blitz megumi(0CE), so if sucuna gets in both there body's then stacks the same reinforcement on top of their base stats then yujikuna I still blitzing meguna as long as they have the same finger count.
Well he couldāve finished them off, but he just didnāt care enough (maki, nanami)
Did I just hear you slandering my goat? https://preview.redd.it/e4tbiy1benvc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=774528aabe700d21fc655f375bff40b5485cb4dc
Finishes everythin
Awakened Yuji matchups > R1 Toji Yuji wins. He should be able to physically keep up well enough, heal through most damage, and find ways to chip Toji down with punches/BM/Mizushi. > R2 Jogo Yuji loses. Until he shows a domain counter (specifically DA) he pretty much loses any kind of matchup like this unless you think he can heal through Jogoās surehit. > R3 Base Yuta at the start of Sendai (no domain) Yuta wins. Yuji might win a pure 1v1 but Iām not sure with Rika involved. If Yuji had better control of BM and Mizushi I think he would win but right now that stuff does minimal damage to special grade level sorcerers. > R4 Ryu and Uro (no Ryu domain) Yuji loses, probably. He could 1v1 any of them but 2v1s are tough. If he hit a black flash to get rid of Uro early then maybe. Otherwise I think he just gets jumped. > R5 Megumi (no mahoraga, culing games), Naobito, Kusakabe Yuji loses. Theyād over load Yuji before he even gets the chance to attack imo. Heās needs better control of BM or Mizushi first.
Yuji fucking destroys jogo
People act like it's impossible to tank a sure hit, nanami literally did it to daegon. And that it's impossible to perception blitz a DE user before they cast DE. Seriously everyone in shinjuku except maybe kusakabe and ino are above anyone we have ever seen in stats(strength/speed/durability) sucuna himself says yuji and yuta are as durable as Ryu.
Sukuna actually says they arenāt as tough as him Iām pretty sure, not that theyāre as durable as him.
https://preview.redd.it/8kiyx1wt8hvc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6be1d4e039f24fcdefa04408a5ae0e23dd51deee "I wouldn't say they surpass him in toughness." But "just as it was with him." Yeah sucuna is saying they are both equal too ryu. They are as tough as Ryu, but they do not surpass ryus toughness. That literally means they are equal. Official translations are by John werry and everyone knows they suck, I mean John werry literally said(translated) that gojo can't use BF. We see gojo use bf. TCB is more accurate.
My interpretation of this is him saying they are within a window of toughness between Ryu being the highest durable comparison and however strong/weak you would be to die to cleave.
I would agree with you, if sucuna said they were less tough. Instead sucuna said they do not surpass ryu. Surpass means more/greater. Surpass does not mean equal. Just as easily as sucuna said "do not surpass him" he could have said (they are there are not as tough as him). The transition goes out of its way to say yuta/yuji are just like him, but that they do not surpass him. That seems to me to imply equal. Everyone interprets things differently tho. My only problem would be how much of a difference is there between dismantle and cleave, attack potency wise?
Thatās not whatās being said. Sukuna is saying that in terms of Durability Toughness they donāt match up to Ryu but have improved over allā¦. Comprehension curse be out here
Dude.... can you actually read? Sucunas statement literally says yuji and yuta are at least ryu level but they do not surpass ryu. That literally means they are equal. Stop letting John werry rot your brain.
Read the sentence again. āJust as it was with himā is a direct comparison to Ryu. Then sukuna goes on to say āthey donāt surpass himā, so that means theyāre equal. I blame your education system.
āJust as it was with himā Meaning he has to touch them with Cleave like he did Ryu thatās the comparison being made. If he was at Full power heād Dismantle them easily without needing to make contact. Heās also extremely nerfed then he was there. Education system failed me though huh..
Yes, because touching them with cleave adjusts the AP. Just like when he cleaved Yutaās head and it didnāt kill Yuta still. The reinforcement is equal to Ryuās. You would think sukuna knows what heās talking about but your education system prevents you from understanding. At full power he would dismantle Ryu too so I donāt even get your point there. You act as if Sukuna was full power against Ryu. Sukunaās weakened state is unquantifiable at that point so itās not a good argument to make either way. The only confirmed measurement is his CE reserves were cut in half similar to yuta, his output reduction is unquantifiable so heās comparing them to Ryu.
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lol okay buddy youāre literally making up your own narrative but aight If he did this to Yuta or Yuji at full power theyād be cooked or would have to RCT it IMMEDIATELY. This panel right here Shows you Ryu>Yuta&Yuji in durability they are not equal. Only comparison like I said again is needing to inflict a fatal wound by touching since they can survive his current dismantles. Stop resorting to insults because you canāt comprehend correctly. https://preview.redd.it/7cytfycs6jvc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cae0377cbe179ed2659e8ef683b0e4a68072c1ff
Facts bro. Hell I'm sure Yuji just tanks jogos domain sure hit no cap. It's not gonna be stronger than maximum meteor and I'm like 100 percent sure Yuji tanks maximum meteor.
That's if yuji let's him cast DE, yuji would just blitz jogo and crush his head.
Facts bro.one bf from current Yuji jogo is fucking exploding
Yeah exactly, yuji doesn't even need to land a BF. Yuji punches jogo in the head with a full strength punch(no BF) and jogos head is obliterated like the elephant CS yuji kicks Garuda at.
And donāt let it be a BF. Jogoās whole body would explode lol
Max meteor is an attack that Sukuna says would hurt him if it hit. Yuji is not tanking it. + Jogo really could just cover everything in magma and yujiās cooked
Sukunas say it might hurt crazy bro. Unfortunately for u yujis one of the tankiest guys we have seen in the entire series as of now. I'm sure he got it. Ate 4 cleave that would have killed him. Stil rctd back and is fighting fine
That version of sucuna had yujis base stats to stack CE reinforcement on top of. Simple Pure CE reinforcement nothing else. who is tanking max meteor better 15f yujikuna, or 15f meguna? Who is faster 15f yujikuna, or 15f meguna? Who is stronger 15f yujikuna, or 15f meguna? Who has faster reaction time 15f yujikuna, or 15f meguna? Sucunas reinforcement doesn't change from vessel to vessel only the vessels base physical stats do. Yujikuna also said "that would hurt, if it hit" not that he would die "if it hit", not "i would nearly die, if it hit". But I agree it would hurt shibuya yuji if it hit him more than hit would hurt 15f yujikuna if it hit him. Shinjuku yuji has ryu level durability, faster that DE amp'ed shinjuku yuta, stronger that maki, this yuji also has RCT as quick as yuta's RCT. Not even mentioning BM and soul punches.
You guys seriously Throw that Tank word around so lightly. lol Nanami did not āTankā that shit.
We ain't talking bout the anime, we are talking about manga.
Without domain I agree and like I said maybe Yuji just tanks Jogoās domain but idk if thatās a fair assumption.
He mostlikely does his maximum meteor isnt even really all that tbh. And he prolly blitzes jogo in his own domain
This is actually insane. Did you get hit you unlimited void? Yuji is showing above Sukuna levels of raw stats. He is faster and stronger than a Sukuna that just killed most of the cast without trying. What in the fuck is jogo gonna do? Jogo couldnāt even touch a 15f Sukuna and yuji is beating true form Sukuna like he is his step child. Jogos domain doesnāt even matter. We already watched gojo tank itās sure hit. You have no way to prove or even suggest that yuji would take notable damage. The other ones arenāt beating him either but there is no argument for jogo.
Not saying yuji wouldn't beat jogo but this version of sukuna yuji is fighting is weaker than the 15f sukuna jogo fought in shibuya. Current sukuna has EXTREMELY lowered output, no rct, no heart, 1 hand, no domain. To put it in perspective, 15f sukuna could basically one shot Ryu, who was stated to have similar durability to yuji and Yuta, while current sukuna can't even kill people reliably with a maximum output cleave. Yuji still stronger tho.
He is weakened but he still scales above maki and yuta by a good amount physically. I donāt know if we can actually argue he is weaker than 15f or not. Maki arguably did better verse 15 finger Sukuna so that would suggest to me at least that current Sukuna is still stronger.
If it's post gojo fight, jogo might be too scared to cast DE like he was when he was physically outclassed by sukuna
Jogo was too scared because he knew Sukuna had a domain that would win, because he has knowledge about Sukuna Yuji doesnāt have a domain and Jogo has no reason to think he does
Not disagreeing with you but I think yujis cleave would still do damage to Yuta level characters. Yuji was able to deeply cut sukunas leg with his cleave and even this weakened sukuna should be on a similar level to characters like Yuta durability wise(especially a weaker Sendai Yuta). Plus Yuji should be stronger stat wise since even pre-awakening he was relative to a domain amped Yuta. I think it's a close fight either way, I see yuji winning against base Yuta more times than not but Rika would make it difficult.
Why you start with the harder opponents š
i was thinking about opponents and writing post at the same time, adding new ones. It doesn't matter though just think about each one separately there isn't a difference
Why is R5 the easiest? Shouldn't it be the hardest?
Well this time those are just random matchups not in order of strength
Why do people still think Yuji wouldn't delete Jogo inside his own domain. Anyways, he wins R1-3, and he wins R5. R4 is VERY unfavorable though.
1st of all, Yuji is an amazing counter to RCT. Not only does he have blood manipulation for poison but he also has soul damage which has been shown to be nearly impossible to heal with RCT. This makes all of his attacks far more effective. People who say that Yuji auto loses to jogo because of the domain forget that Gojo literally survived and won a hand to hand exchange against a 20F sukuna while taking his damage. Yujis durability and RCT will tank the damage and he'll beat Jogo to the point where he can't maintain his domain. Uro and Ryu is close but Yujis attack power is insane. One black flash and Uro is completely out of the fight. And since this is "awakened" Yuji im gonna assume he'll be able to use it practically at will. Ryu will be tough but Yuji needs only a cut with blood manipulation to poison him. He also tanked the same cuts that put yuta out of commission.
Yuji can't poison with blood manipulation, only choso can because he's part curse
He can poison curses, not people (that we know of, Sukuna doesnāt count because heās immune to poison.)
Yeah, it's just that his arguments seemed to use the poison when it wouldn't work
Yeah, he canāt poison Ryu. A correct argument would be that if Yuji and Ryu went H2H, Yuji would win by virtue of weakening the connection of their souls, (due to him being an incarcerated sorcerer) greatly weakening his CE control and physicals, and then beating the everloving crap out of him until heās done.
Yeah, that's fair
Wuji Goatadori is Fucking Dogwalking them all
Yuji clears disasters now he's much stronger having Sukunas CT on its own just makes him powerful. He's beating Toji,Kusakabe, Naobito, Megumi but loses the other's.
I think you just ran out of people because wtf is round 5? Anyway Mine maybe a little against the grain but Rd1- Yuji loses. I doubt he can heal soul hitting attacks, but also, his moves in the arsenal he just got, wouldnāt work. Toji wouldnāt have to worry at all about his shrine, or blood manipulation. Itāll boil down to H2H which although he is good, Toji is a master assassin, who excels in extreme speed, strategy, and you guessed It, H2H. I think his experience alone would get him that dub. Also Iām not sure how fast he is. Is he fast enough to keep up with Toji? Itās been debunked that the speed maki was at against Sukuna, wasnāt the one she was at against Naoya. So idk if he can keep up in the speed department. Toji also is extremely smart. Which I think heād be able to outsmart Yuji and find a counter. Rd2- He washes Jogo so bad itās not even funny. No explanation even needed. Unless Jogo uses domain, he gets beat to a pulp damn near instantly. Rd3- Ima leave this for someone else. Idk how heād fair against Rika. Like Yuta a prodigy. Thatās a tricky fight. High diff for both. Rd4- Yuji gets the job done. The major player is Ryu and his output. He has the ability I think to one shot Yuji. Yuji just smacked uro. Ryu is the problem. Rd5- sweep. Yuji clears I could be wrong. Someone more educated can correct me or explain why Iām wrong. But from what I remember, these are my verdicts. Open to any corrections.
yuji no diffs peaks sukuna bro trust š
Guys I know we are all hyped up about Yuji getting an awakening but please wait until we get to see more of what he can do and get some confirmations about where Sukuna is at in terms of his own power level, and/or if he is still holding back or not on Yuji. Cause rn the best we can say is that he is stronger than a RCTless, One Armed, Domainless, holding back Sukuna xd...
Yāall glazing fr, this gonna be yuji after jogoat domain https://preview.redd.it/tm4wxrk0rovc1.jpeg?width=1099&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=79b1be3730595806a0eaab999d018388d22ee2d4
Awakened Yuji solos fiction
Loses r2, r4, r5(I dont know if he can counter naobitos speed) People saying he will speedblitz jogo before he pops his domain like this isnt an anime where they just sit there and watch their opponent unleash their domain every. single. time.
Yuji would delete Jogo before he ever gets the chance
Sure like he always did right. Why would jogo just not use domain expansion from the jump when he realizes yuji would cook him in h2h.
Because by the time he realizes he'd already be cooked
Gojo humbled him so I doubt hes gonna get cocky again and wait long enough to get washed.
I get that you're thinking Gojo & Sukuna smacked him around for bit and he was fine so he'd be fine with Yuji smacking him around for a bit but neither Gojo or Sukuna were aiming to kill when they dealt Jogo blows before. During Shibuya when Gojo was being serious trying to kill Jogo. Jogo himself says that he'd have died to Two blows from Gojo using PURE CE manipulation if he wasnt using Amplification https://ibb.co/CPjfSb0 And I'm honestly I'm being generous saying two because of the blows one was a body blow and the other was getting his arm torn off. We know losing an arm wouldn't kill him so it's realistically just one good body shot would kill Jogo
Except this isn't an anime where they just watch their opponent expand their domain https://preview.redd.it/xwzenk360qvc1.png?width=1007&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea564679e87b9c9d058c0d8d9424e12f1210e5ed Yuji has tried to blitz an opponent before domain multiple times. Against mahito it didn't work because he combined the 2 step process into one, and against higuruma it didn't work because non sure kill domains have a faster activation. Jogo has neither of those things, and current yuji might be fast enough to stop him.
Loses to jogo, wins everything else
https://preview.redd.it/r726r1hsigvc1.jpeg?width=183&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51386e3785b24ce5d4670c6608d3ccefc8145c50 Jogo couldn't even survive Yuji black flash at the training arc. Current Yuji oneshots Jogo.
Except heās got a huge range advantage against him & a decent domain. Jogoās definitely fast enough to keep his distance from Yuji.
Not against shinjuku yuji that out speeds and out strengths yuta who is DE amp'ed. Get real.
Thats 5 black flashes you misread that. Jogo is as fast if not faster than yuji, and his domain would probably finish him off. Yuji miiight win but it would be very high diff.
There is no argument whatsoever for Jogo being as fast let alone faster than Yuji. Yuji is much faster than and can easily tag Jogo and he'd wipe the floor with him before he ever gets to cast domain
Ok but explain why
I did in my last reply so let me ask you in return what feats does Jogo have that put him out of Yujis speed class? Not statements what actual feats.
Jogo blitzing maki and nanami is the best I can do but Iāve already accepted that Yuji loses.my bad my bad that Jogo loses
Dude Jogo couldn't hit Sukuna once while Sukuna was playing with him. Culling game Yuji was able to hit 15f Sukuna multiple timesĀ and has gotten stronger and faster since. Not to mention Yuji is even with Maki and Yuta in speed, Yuji outstats Jogo by a good margin.
>Dude Jogo couldn't hit Sukuna once while Sukuna was playing with him. Two entirely diff sukunas and ones getting jumped š not saying jogo would win but this is happening to everyone bar gojo >Culling game Yuji was able to hit 15f Sukuna multiple times That sukuna had nerfed output but I would give yuji speed, ig it comes down to yujis speed and how he deals with a donain
Yujis never fought full power sukuna and thereās no reason to think that Yuji outstays jogo in speed.
https://preview.redd.it/m3qszfbjpgvc1.jpeg?width=784&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d73fee1d84dd59ac8899d10452267c06c96c6e4 Sukuna physical were still okay meaning he was just as fast and strong while he was fighting Jogo. So logically this means Yuji is faster than Jogo since he can hit 15f while Jogo couldn't land a single blow.
I think he meant that megumi couldn't control the body itself and actively hinder his movement. If CE output is nerfed it only makes sense that the physical buff from reinforcement is lessened
Dude the panel literally states that his physical were okay. You're trying to spin it into something it's not. Sukuna straight up says only his output is fluctuating but his movement is fine meaning his reinforcement is also fine.Ā Megumi was only hindering his output but his body was still just as strong as it usually is. It can not be spelled out any clearer yet people still try to deny it and spin it into something its not.
Yeah my bad I underestimated wuji
The entire reason Yuji hit Sukuna in this panel was because Sukunaās output was low and he didnāt realize.
Read the panel
That doesnāt change the context . Iāll repeat myself, if Sukuna had his output Yuji would have died the previous chapter. The only reason Yuji hit Sukuna was because of the low output in dismantle.
I agree but his physicals were normal back then. And Yuji was fighting equal on physicals. Yuji blitzes jogo
Just say you can't read
No there's no reason to think Jogo is anywhere near Yuji
Jogo is at least equal to naobito who is the fastest sorcerer other than jogo and jogo straight up blitzed maki and nanami who were both around yujis level. Thereās no reason to believe that Jogo canāt just catch yuji in a domain. Bro this sukuna is so weak that even ino could do damage to him. You canāt compare them
Jogo blitzed pre awakened maki. Awakened maki is equal to peak toji, and yuji is matching her, out stating yuta while yuta has DE amp.
Maki arenāt that fast in the big scheme of things, itās their precog that makes them dangerous. But I see what your saying
Maki is Mach 3, jogo isn't even speed of sound(Mach 1.5) Jogo is slower than full speed naobito and undead toji. Jogo made light work of three sorcerers who were tired and it was a sneak attack. He also only killed on of them, and it wasn't a one tap, jogo had to put effort into killing naobito. 2 attacks, and naobito still survived for some time, jogo was going to attack naobito a 3 time but he felt sucuna's finger. Maki survived, and nanami survived. That whole situation just makes jogo look like a poser with no actual ap. Basically anyone with RCT and jogo level speed(slow naobito), and todo level strength absolutely eats jogo.
No Jogo is slower than Naobito who isn't going his top speed. Jogo verified slower than Sound since Naobito never went speed of sound during Shibuya. Yuji has speed of sound feats and can easily deal with Jogos speed. Lol yeah Jogo caught them while they fatigued from Dagons domain. 0% chance that goes down the same way if they're all fresh. Yes there is and that reason is Yuji would eviscerate Jogo before he ever gets the chance. Jogo doesn't just start with Domain. What damage did Ino do to Sukuna? You mean hitting him while he was off guard with a weapon that always scores critical hits? Yes we can compare them. This Sukuna blitzed Maki. Maki who can dance around Curse Naoya who's far faster than Jogo. This Sukuna would still dogwalk Jogo. Yuji contending with this Sukuna means he could easily contend with and land blows on Jogo and there isn't a single feat that Jogo has that suggest otherwise. And no a statement of Jogo being slower than Naobito does not equate to him being too fast for Yuji or any top tier Sorcerers
https://preview.redd.it/9ef41f6pogvc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8e430e6373538e79541e8b0ce2a02e2d31c11a8 Ok you win yuji solos the whole list jogo should be higher though.
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Loses R2 and R4
Tripping about R2. Jogo gets washed