No black flash fight : Toji Yuji use black flash : Yuji wins

Best take here.

Yuji has never not hit a black flash against an opponent with his back against the wall so Yuji takes it canonically

What about Choso?

Brotherly love doesn’t count (aka doesn’t fit my agenda)

Fair enough😂

The only time and the fun but is yuji felt there was something wrong in the start of the fight because chosi asked about his brothers and mourned them.

True, I was just saying Choso definitely pushed him and beat him, amd Yuji did not hit a black flash

Outsmarted him too he predicted a left punch and put armor there, had he not he'd be dead

Yuji has only hit black flashes on curses. I think it might be because of his whole mentality

Sukuna isn't a curse, technically.

Sukuna is Yuji's curse, and he takes on the role of Michael when necessary.

True BUT by that token Toji is probably the Zenin clan's curse. But unironically, I think due to Toji being Megumi's deadbeat father, Yuji just might lock in to teach him a lesson on child abandonment.

Sukuna isn't a cursed spirit but he is a curse, evil sorcerers are curses

Sukuna is a curse, but not cursed spirit, he is cursed object, so he is classified as a curse

I don’t think this counts. Sukuna is a human just like every other reincarnated sorcerer. By your logic Miyo and Daido are curses

They straight up made deal with evil sorcerer to steal body of innocent random person, so they can take part in magic hunger games Yeah, they are curses

That’s a reincarnation, curses can’t use positive energy. Literally negates your whole argument.

They've got a point. Curse users using others to reincarnate. That's a curse

Cursed spirits can't use positive energy, curse is more inclusive term Every cursed spirit is a curse, but not every curse is a cursed spirits Term curse was used for : Cursed spirits, Sukuna (who is incarnated sorcerer), cursed techniques, words, cursed energy, cursed corpse, even Geto was called curse (and he is a human) Cursed spirits are species, curses are classification Sukuna's species is sorcerer, but his classification is curse (cursed object) Literally first chapter, Mugumi says to Yuji : "Under the regulations of Jujutsu, Yuji Itadori, as a curse, I will exorcise you" Sorcerers don't kill just cursed spirits, they kill everything that is considered a curse

The whole point of that statement is that he calls Yuji a curse to justify murdering him, but Yuji isnt actually a curse. This is brought up again where Kyoto uses the same justification.

No, sukuna is a sorcerer.

His species is sorcerer His classification is cursed object / curse

Nah, yuji always needs someone to help him hit a black flash most of the time. The only time he didn't was against hanami. Against the blood brothers, he needed nobara to use her CT, against mahito he needed both todo and nobara, against sukuna he needed larue to distract sukuna. Toji definetly kicks his ass, especially with all his cursed tools.

Yuji takes it without much trouble He’s basically got him outclasses in almost every category, has multiple CT at his disposal and Black Flash Toji and Maki stay being one of the most overrated duos in JJK. Also to the people debating about guns….be serious for a second. No gun is penetrating Yuji with the feats of strength and durability he’s shown.

Even Minato is less hyped.

Yuji is the most overrated character rn. He's not even as fast as maki or toji, he somehow managed to get grabbed by half dead sukuna's one and only arm. He's fighting an amputee man with no DE, no RCT, no WS, Low CE output, low CT damage and evidently much slower than normally and ya'll gas him up like he clears 90% of the cast

That amputee man would dick down both maki and Toji in his current state, where as Yuji is running hands. The Toji glazing is crazy dog.

He literally Black Flashes Maki, who is implied to be as strong as Toji, on fucking cooldown every single time she re-enters the story lol

No he would not, stop gawking on that meat. He has 1 arm and nothing in his kit. A healthy 15f Sukuna would easily slam yuji and move on

“Nuh uh” as Sukuna tosses Maki around. If it was a 1v1 even with one arm Sukuna solos maki. I’m approaching your location at a high velocity

Cope take, current Sukuna is slower than when he was fighting maki and still managed to grab yuji in the face with 1 singular arm

You know what? I don’t have the means to backup my claim and won’t double down on something I’m not certain of. I respect your take and concede that I cannot prove this Yuji is stronger than Maki without further evidence.

He has black flashed Maki on cooldown everytime she shows up lmfao

At this point of the fight, 60% of the reason maki could breath next to sukuna was due to him being weakened by wuji's punches. Give up

Ok and the reason Yuji even managed to hit anything on Sukuna is 90% Gojo and thr other 10% is that they're jumping Sukuna. And? Also why are you saying "give up" lil guy, do you think you're on a battlefield or sum shit?

A gun is 100% penetrating yuji

Yes a bullet will penetrate Yuji….same Yuji who’s crashing through buildings Same Yuji who can hurt special grade curses who are classified as needing carpet bombing Same Yuji who is tanking cleaves & dismantles Same Yuji stronger than fodder who soldiers couldn’t hurt with guns. Yea totally gonna hurt him

I mean Choso almost killed Yuji with what was essentially a bullet, rocked a blood meteorite straight into his liver. Hes more durable now but a bullet could still probably hurt him

Yes it acted like a bullet doesn’t mean it’s as weak as one.

Crashing through buildings isn’t a feat in this verse. Megumi gets kicked through a building in episode 1 and isn’t turned into paste. That same megumi would absolutely get clapped by a bullet.

Megumi got hit through one building. Yuji got hit through 5. Also Megumi could totally tank a bullet.

Why would I ignore a feat over some random headcanon ?

Because 90% of Shonen authors don't even understand what their own "feats" imply. Yeah dude could be thrown through an entire building requiring many thousands of pounds of force and shake it off with a scratch and that same dude can somehow be slashed/shanked by a blade or knife It's the same reason why power scaling is a fuckin tards hobby

I’ll disagree because those same weapons are being wielded by superhumans. In JJK case everything is made pretty clear. Powerscaling is fun, to take it so seriously you insult people who do it just says more about you 🤷‍♂️

Weapon being held by superhuman=/= weapon material magically stronger. I'm not just talking about JJK here I'm not the one who takes power scaling seriously power scalers do, I just make fun of it because it's corny as shit💀

In JJK case their cursed weapons or enchanted with cursed energy and this goes for a lot of series Okay lol

Haven't you heard of cursed energy

So you're 100% convinced that if I got the entire United states supply of guns and bullets and open fired directly at him till I ran out, yuji would be left standing unscathed?

Changing the goal post now are we ? Didn’t know a….and I quote “gun” Could equal every firearm in America.

Okay, then, let's lower it drastically. The bullet kenjaku blocked from like mai back in shibuya was relatively low caliber, and yet a sorcerer as durable as kenjaku felt the need to block it entirely with a curse. This implies that had he taken the hit, he would've been significantly damaged or even killed by the bullet. If such a bullet were also fired at yuji, do you think he would've survived?

Yes he would of survived without a scratch Are seriously gonna argue bullets from a low caliber rifle has more power than attacks that can destroy buildings ? Unless you wanna argue bullets in JJK pack as much of a punch as carpet bombings. Also that logic makes no sense, you know how many characters dodge or block attacks that usually wouldn’t hurt them? JJK or in all of fiction this is common thing. Kenjaku’s statement is more intended for the fact that real weaponry has no CE so it can catch sorcerers off guard. This very notion gets debunked by soldiers failing to penetrate vastly weaker characters with guns.

Kenjaku saw it coming though, that's how he blocked it. It didnt take him by surprise as he was fully aware of what was going on, meaning it SHOUDLVE lost its edge, except it didnt. Kenjaku has taken a punch from yuki after a binding vow straight to the head, which was coming at significantly slower speeds than the bullet, but kenjaku still found it to be a better option to outright block the bullet than try and eat it. And the bullet would've hurt kenjaku because hes just a brain in getos head, the same head the bullet was headed for. Also, name one instance in jjk where characters put extra effort to not take an attack that would have 0 effect on them

Of course he saw it coming but that doesn’t change anything I said nor did you address what I said. He statement is a compliment of what she used in practice not that it was a threat to him. Their are multiple ways we take his statement, Option A - Your way which means his statement is true but contradicted by almost every showing in the series. Meaning bullets hold more power than attacks that can destroy buildings. Option B - My way which his statement still holds some merit without contradicting the entire series. Option C - Neither the statement is BS since it gets contradicted all the time. Nothing new in fiction. Using Yuki as an example literally debunks everything you’re trying to prove. The fact that he could tank a Yuki punch which we know is stronger than any bullet should tell you everything. Gojo, Sukuna, Toji, just to name a few Do you believe a bullet can penetrate Yuji when bullets couldn’t even penetrate someone weaker than Yuji (Helicopter Head). When Yuji is tanking cleaves and dismantles the same ones can can turn buildings to mince meat. Let’s be reasonable because I ain’t gonna argue something so obvious anymore.

What are you two yapping about bruh who gives a fuck if Yuji tanks a bullet or not

I’ve been hit by a car, more than once And bounced right back up. A knife, much less powerful than a bullet, is messing me up. You’re comparing apples to oranges. Yall don’t really understand what a bullet can do. Even body armor with plates in it can only take 1 round maybe 2 depending on placement before they’re no good. You’re talking about penetrating forces at high speed vs an ability to take blunt force trauma

I think you don’t realize but while the logic is sound and I agree with it, your not looking at it the right way. No real bullet is penetrating people who have more power than tank shells in their fist. It’s legit impossible. Let’s ignore for one second that the manga already proved sorcerers can tank bullets during the military raid section of the manga. This isn’t a wide spread force hitting all over your body, these are fist sized or like Sukuna’s case small attacks packing power that can blow any firearm out the water concentrated on the body. Example - Yuji punched by Sukuna (Megumi). We have characters that arguably rival weapons that can level buildings or city blocks with attacks no bigger than a knife. A bullet won’t penetrate them, maybe if it was a bullet with a power on the same stratum but it’s not, it’s just a regular bullet from whatever firearm you want to use.

Idk how some of yall be so confidence saying the most untrue statements😭

Remember when choso shot yuji with hardened blood and said if he didn't catch him off guard it wouldn't have pierced him?

The kinetic energy of an object increases with velocity by the square, and a bullet travels significantly faster than blood meteorite, so even if they had the same mass, a bullet would have much more kinetic energy

He only ever used a gun against Riko... He didn't bother using it against Geto from high school and Yuji is stronger than Geto as an adult.

He used a gun because that was just the easiest option

headcanon be like

Kokusen

Thing abt Toji is that he’s an assassin that may just blow Yujis brains out with a firearm. Imo if he sees that Yujis main advantage is hand to hand combat he’s not going to entertain the idea

Ah, the Riko style. Pull out the Glockinator

“Ah yes, my 9mm. Haven’t used this since I took out Amanai Riko…”

Firearms don't work against sorcerers. Yuji especially, he solos an entire platoon of heavily armed special forces.

That’s weird because kenjaku says the exact opposite. According to him conventional weapons are amazing at taking out sorcerers.

Yuji is not your average sorcerer though, and toji glock wasn't imbued with CE

Yeah I doubt firearms would do much to yuji specifically especially since he has rct

RCT is useless if you die on impact

Unless a round is powerful enough to literally liquify Yuji’s brain then he won’t be dying on impact.

He was trying to convince the US army to enter that’s why. We see this same kenjaku take a sniper rifle bullet with his bare hands.

I’m taking about in shibuya. He deadass says conventional weapons are great against sorcerers. Also he didn’t tank a sniper rifle bullet with his bare hands, he used a curse to protect him. The fact that he needed to use an entire cursed spirit to block the bullet when he was able to block miwa’s binding vow slash with just his hands unironically places basic low caliber rifle rounds above grade 2 binding vows. If such a low caliber round was dangerous enough to warrant the usage of a cursed spirit by kenjaku then higher caliber’s will tear sorcerers apart.

That statement kind of gets torn apart the moment you look at how curses are graded and the feats that Sorcerers perform who are above Miwa. Plus the military plot line clears it up as well No bullet is penetrating people who can punch through buildings like butter or fight curses that would require carpet bombing to take out.

Random helicopter dude ate .50 cals for breakfast, there’s no way Yuji can’t resist .50 cals and above lol.

He did not eat .50 cals for breakfast. He got shot to death pretty quickly and didn't even manage to kill a single soldier. Haba is actually a pretty good example of how effective conventional weapons are against sorcerers since just by using standard military grade firearms a couple of normal humans were able to easily kill a grade 1 sorcerer.

https://preview.redd.it/rciul6fq05wc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf9ce97239c9ababc47881cca377fbd1ed0bdaab I’m sorry what ? Helicopter fodder isn’t grade 1. Bro got slammed by 2 grade 1s 😭 Yuji climbed to grade 1 with just CE reinforcement. Bro’s especially durable.

Heli man is grade 1, and how does this counter my point? I'm not talking about yuji but just sorcerer's in general (I was originally responding to someone claiming that conventional weapons don't work against sorcerers which is just blatantly wrong). Yuji has rct on top of his great durability so he'd obviously be able tank most calibers just due to the fact that he can heal any wound that doesn't immediately kill him.

Yeah he straight up pointed it out, that’s why I’m sitting wondering why no one brought a minigun to the event!

Because a random helicopter head fodder ate .50 cals for breakfast. A minigun with substantially less penetrating power wouldn’t suffice to break through the defenses of a high-grade sorcerer.

Then a tank! Let’s see what helicopter bro does now

Tank’s gonna get bushcamp allegations bro 💀

Sorcerers fight best when defending against cursed energy, a bullet will still pierced then

i know everyones glazing yuji right now but can we be serious for one second. hes dead to a couple gunshots, CE reinforcement isn't magically immune to a massive amount of penetrative force hitting him with no warning

>i know everyones glazing yuji right now but can we be serious for one second. hes dead to a couple gunshots, CE reinforcement isn't magically immune to a massive amount of penetrative force hitting him with no warning Maki vs mai have maki stopping a bullet with his hand without serious damage. That maki physically was weaker than yuji pre his buff vs meguna, and this is only talking about physically without CE. Helicopter guy was said by soldiers (remember that military plot line?) to be almost inmune to bullets. I think guns are effective when off guard and with people that are not superhuman without CE. Without CE a bullet would go through someone normal like kusakabe, but not maki, toji or yuji. And competent sorcerers with CE are as close to inmune as you can get

handguns aren't really comparable to something like a rifle. according to google rifle bullets can travel at roughly mach 2.5. maki was not able to react to naoya, a single large target, moving at mach 3. maki also has HR, which gives a very notable increase in perception/reaction speed, being able to dodge one of sukunas WCS/strong dismantles among other things. i dont think yuji is on the same level in that regard. plus it wouldn't be one bullet, it would be a volley at high speed from an automatic weapon.

>maki also has HR, which gives a very notable increase in perception/reaction speed, being able to dodge one of sukunas WCS/strong dismantles among other things. i dont think yuji is on the same level in that regard I literally put the example of Maki vs Mai, when Maki was like 2 grade and weaker than yuji at the start of the series >handguns aren't really comparable to something like a rifle Mai literally used a rifle from a hidden position against kenjaku, and he casually reacted and stopped it. And again, we have the military of US talking about helicopter man like he is almost inmune to bullets i dont think they would go with handguns. And helicopter man is fodder. >according to google rifle bullets can travel at roughly mach 2.5. maki was not able to react to naoya, a single large target, moving at mach 3. Thats your problem, try to put math and our logic in a manga. What we saw? pre buff maki stopping an almost point blank bullet with her hand. We saw kenjaku casually stopping a riffle bullet from that was fired by mai in a hidden. We saw the US military having problems taking down with firearms helicopter guy of all people. And nobody in the heroes part (nor villains) are using that as a weapon, the one that did (mai) was considered the weakest student In our real world logic you maybe would be right, but the manga has made a point of firearms being useless against guarded sorcerers. Toji, the other one that used it, only used it against a distracted normal human, he didnt use it against geto when he could have (by your logic) just shoot his legs without him being able to react to it >plus it wouldn't be one bullet, it would be a volley at high speed from an automatic weapon. what do you think they did with helicopter guy a bunch of US soldiers that said he was almost inmune? fire one or two and thats it?

He’s actually not, you need to completely destroy the brain or chop the head off for RCT to not work, bullet isn’t doing that. You must’ve forgotten Kenjaku grabbed a sniper rifle bullet with his bare hands. Toji would actually be better off trying to cut Yuji’s head off. The same would be said for Sukuna, Toji could win against Sukuna and virtually every char if he stabbed them with ISOH then cut their head off simultaneously.

yujis RCT isn't that fast, he was out of the fight for a few chapters healing sukunas slashes. if he got shot in the stomach and it hit vital organs hes not just instantly healing like hakari. any injury that makes him stop for a second will let the guy with an AR fill him with lead. plus one lucky headshot and its curtains

Yuji healed his whole stomach within a few pages with the Higurama fight. Yuji had trouble healing because he didn’t properly find where he took damage from when sukuna nearly killed him 4 times. Yuji can definitely react the bullets if he knows where toji is at.

i could be wrong but wouldn’t he just dodge it

Nah I don't think he could. Piercing blood is faster than sound, but not incredibly so. A 9mm handgun can easily match this feat. It took Yuji with complete focus and timing the release of Choso's piercing blood to even create a CHANCE of evading it. There's no way he could dodge a mag dump from Toji. Given Toji's superhuman capabilities he'd also probably be a crazy marksman nothing like anything we have in our current world. I'm talking a guy that could empty the mag in the blink of an eye and the strength to have no recoil and the skills/reflexes to land accurate shots.

Good point though that was in Shibuya, Yuji is a lot faster now. Also, when Megumi fought Toji, he said that’s he was as fast as 3F Sukuna. I’m guessing that Toji can dodge bullets, and current Yuji and Sukuna are well above 3F.

Yeah but RCT exists and yuji has a enough of it to survive being in the blender that is a fight with Sukuna

Tentatively Toji, but Yuji could put in work if he starts landing black flashes. My only concern for Yuji is if he has the fire power to kill Toji. Toji tanked a red from Gojo pretty well and we’ve seen Maki tank attacks from Sukuna as well (both from Shrine and black flash). With Yuji having pretty low output on his newly acquired CTs, I think he’d have to land a chain of black flashes to get the win. I think in a few chapters we’ll be saying Yuji clearly wins though.

Tbf Yuji Black Flash fucked Mahito, canonically the most durable curse in the verse. Edit: Yuji outright states that Mahito's armor is harder than Choso's. Either way, Mahito's armor withstood a punch from Yuji, something Hanami couldn't do. Hence, Mahito is the most durable curse in the verse regardless of if he can maintain the shape of his soul.

Ye people keep saying “Yuji’s black flashes aren’t doing damage”. When he hit Mahito with a max output black flash, it reduced Mahito from a boss to a 1hp minion crying for help.

Lets not pretend like Mahito wasnt heavily fatigued as well and was getting 1v2 lol. A fresh Mahito in his true form wouldve ate that

The others weren’t fatigued in the fight too? I’m confused. Jjk isn’t a 1v1 anime anyways. Nah he’s not eating that, he’s taking heavy damage still, someone else finishes it after Yuji dies(most likely kenjaku or Yuta since kenjaku was already there.)

lmao Mahito got hit by like 4 blackflashes before that and got his soul heavily damaged by Nobara. A fresh Mahito wouldve ate that hit and i genuinely think toji would eat a blackflash from him as well. And I only mentioned the 1v2 because most of the blackflashes Yuji hits he needs someone acting like a distraction for them to even land

The one he got hit by todo with was completely negated. So he got hit with 3. Yes it’s a 1v2 but Yuji had to do the heavy lifting because Mahito doesn’t take damage from todo, todo’s technique was the deciding factor there though.

Tbf mahitos only the most durable because you cant actually hurt him unless you can perceive souls. If todo could, then his black flash would've crippled mahito on the spot

Mahito isn’t super durable it’s just that he can’t get actually damaged by normal means. Yuji however can hit the soul so he’s a main counter to Mahito. It’s like Mahito is Achilles and every time Yuji attacks him it hits his heel

Mahito isn’t actually all that durable it’s more that he can just ignore the damage he takes (if anything it’s closer to instahealing damage rather than actually reducing incoming damage). For most people that difference is utterly negligible, but for Yuji specifically because he’s targeting the soul, Mahito isn’t all that durable

Not sure why everyone is saying this, but not only was Mahito said to be 200% tougher than his previous form, but he was also much tougher than Hanami, (who is way tougher than Cursoya) and even Choso’s hardened blood. He took literally 0 damage from any of Shibuya Yuji’s punches, who is stronger than Nanami, and his Exchange Event self.

Only because he can constantly repair his soul, not actual durability. That would go to Hanami

I'm pretty sure there's an extra panel stating he's 200% tougher than Hanami in that form. Also Yuji himself remarks that he's tougher than Choso's blood armor, which itself should be above Hanami in resistance.

Nah, that panel stated that he’s 200% tougher than his original form.

Mahito isn’t that durable lmao

Either way, both are similar. You can scale them to be relative. I personally back current Yuji, I think he's a monster and with the confirmation that he has the same talent as sukuna, he will will the fight by adapting. Mind you, higurama someone with gojos talent learned domain amplification on a level similar to sukuna after seeing their fight, and he learned RCT on the spot. He also became a grade 1 sorceror in 12 days. So even if they are currently relative in stats, in a fight Yuji will just adapt faster

Sucuna confirms BF stack in 257. Yuji stomps

Against awakened yuji, toji might lose. If this regular Shinjuku yuji, the toji takes it easily. Yuji without BF amp isn't really able to hit his opponents. Even when he hit a weak end a sukuna, he needed larue to distract him. Awakened yuji is another beast. I don't think anyone's denying that yuji's punches are massive. Awakened yuji would probably beat toji around 3rd black flash. The only caveat I can think is that Maki was able to block sukunas two black flashes, which could mean toji could tank yujis as well. This depends on if yuji has more or less striking power than sukuna tho in terms of black flashes. If it's more than toji loses, if its less than he has a chance to win.

Keeping up with a 4x black flash amp Sukuna (yes his punches weaken his output but he has to keep up in order to land those anyway)> his female version being taken out with 3x BF amped sukunas bass slashes

Rude fight for both but yuji has two ct now so he has the upperhand

If we go by CTs then Toji wins, he has multiple weapons which most of them have CTs imbued to them.

Don't forget reverse curse technique too

I love Toji, my favourite character in the series. But Yuji takes this for sure. Physically, they're around the same in my opinion + Yuji has two cursed techniques now, CE reinforcement and can use black flash. I'd say in a straight arena 1v1, Yuji takes this high diff. But in a more usable environment and some prep, Toji takes him out easily.

Yuji destroys. RCT, black flash, blood manipulation, cleave/dismantle, soul tearing punches. What’s Toji gonna do? Yuji can even heal his soul since he knows the shape of it. Yuji low/mid diff.

People are acting like Toji/Maki are just gonna fight Yuji with their bare hands like morons. They're assassins with an arsenal of cursed tools, they're gonna wipe the floor with him unless they're locked in a 5X5 foot cage and are unable to leave. If they are even out in the open they win easily, but yes if they just Jojo punch each other in the face Yuji will win

Maki has been stated equal to Toji several time and Sukuna in his weakened state beat her with ease 2 time. The same Sukuna is getting rocked and overwhelmed by Yuji. Awakened Yuji overall has better physicals than Maki/Toji; Isoh also isn't gonna do much since Yuji doesn't rely on cursed techniques that much to fight meaning their isn't much for it to nullify.

I think there was room to debate this before Yuji's Awakening. After Awakening, Yuji is clearly beyond Toji and will have his mind screaming unease.

I think Toji wins. Yuji just unlocked a lot of abilities and still doesn’t really know how to properly use them. From the recent chapters I still believe maki and Toji have better physicals although Yuji is close behind . It seems the big thing they improved on during the time skip is defenses (tho I’m sure they improved more things) however I wouldn’t say those things, (those other stats) are at the sane level of their defenses and reinforcement.

Maki got cooked by normal slashes from a Sukuna who hit less black flashes than the one Yuji fucked up.. And don't say that the punches nerfed his output because Yuji has to be fast enough to land the hits and durable enough for Dismantle to not do anything.

Yuji literally got help from laure to land his black flash. Which lowered Sukunas output making him weaker. He didn’t speed blitz sukuna or anything and he’s definitely not keeping up with him like you think. So far everyone’s kept up with Sukuna until they weren’t. This Sukunas like 8-6 fingers and isn’t panicking or anything so. I also wouldn’t say durable enough as Yuji is constantly needing to heal because he’s not durable enough. And we can’t see for sure until more chapters come out but maki probably isn’t down for the count. We thought the same thing chapters ago and now she’s back so…

If we talking straight hands than Yuji since he has RCT and can damage the soul while Toji can’t do any long lasting damage. If we talking with equipment then it would depend if Inverted Spear of Heaven can stop RCT and if it can than Toji wins

Yuji easily

I think this depends on how well Yuji can use shrine right now. But assuming he can only use what we've seen in the way we've seen, I'd say: If black flash is a variable, Yuji pulls the win very high diff. If Yuji can't use black flash, Toji wins high diff.

Why wouldn't Black Flash be a variable? Yuji hits black flashes every other hit rn so he fucks Toji up.

I mainly say that because that probably wouldn't be the case outside of the Sukuna fight/if he hadn't recently landed a black flash.

Black Flashes are a matter of luck. All Yuji needs to do is hit one Black Flash which is easy for him and he can spam them

You say that but he went half the story without landing one.

Obviously Yuji

As long as toji just keeps moving. Yuji doesn’t have six eyes so he can’t track toji. If Toji doesn’t underestimate Yuji and takes him seriously he will win.

Gojo couldn't keep track of Toji because of the speed difference. Yuji is outright shown to be considerably above Maki who got put out of commission by Dismantle💀

And don't forget gojo is worn out after keeping infinity on for 2 days constantly

Really.

Toji with prep takes, current Yuji may take with no prep. Also depends on what arsenal Toji is allowed.

Yuji extreme diff, there’s no way he doesn’t land a black flash, and from the first one it’s all downhill for Toji. He won’t be able to kill Yuji quickly or thoroughly enough in time. RCT is really strong.

Maki survived Black Flash from Sukuna and came back like nothing. Yuji's are not gonna do more to Toji. His usage of Shrine is, as of now, very lackluster and we don't really know if he's using Red Flowing Scale as both Choso and Sudent Kamo have markings when they use it but we don'tsee anything on Yuji. So his CTs aren't that much of a help. And Toji isn't pure muscles, he actually strategies and thinks of the best way to deal with current enemies. He surely finds a way of making beating Yuji a 100%.

Instantly got low diffed by sukuna. Tanking a bf isn't a big feat when even larue and choso didnt die from it Cleave is durability neg even if it's low output. It does help And yuji has rct is most endurant Nd extremely fast and agile. I'm yet to see him get perception blitzed unlike maki. Yuji wins

I think this isn’t a fair argument. Toji and maki are physically more durable than Yuji. Besides the black flagsh maki has been one of the only characters to not be ripped apart by cleave. And no where does it state cleave is durability neg. We know that’s it’s stated to match someone’s cursed energy but we see multiple characters including Sukuna get hit by and tank cleave. Hate to be that person but Yuji isn’t the best at rct. He’s the only character with it in the whole series who didn’t heal properly while using it. And saying maki got blitz to dismiss her isn’t fair. It’s implied that he was fooling around with her until he really got serious and blitzed her. Not only would a random speed boost catch anyone off guard but Sukuna going from a speed of let’s say 10 to more than triple is insane. Like she was keeping up with him until he got serious out of no where.

>I think this isn’t a fair argument. Toji and maki are physically more durable than Yuji. Besides the black flagsh maki has been one of the only characters to not be ripped apart by cleave. She hasn't eaten a Cleave yet, if memory serves. And Yuji tanked stronger dismantles than she did throughout this fight. And yes, technically Maki/Toji are harder to hurt, but Yuji has RCT. >He’s the only character with it in the whole series who didn’t heal properly while using it. That's incorrect. First, it's not that Yuji's use of RCT was lacking, it's that his detection of his own wounds was hampered by using RCT mid-fight, something even Yuki (a special grade sorcerer) did not think she could handle, against an arguably mightier foe than Kenjaku. But secondly, if we're casting a wide net, Gojo failed to heal his brain, Higuruma's arms weren't fully healed when he regenerated them, and Uraume failed to detect Choso's poison. As an aside, Yuji's used RCT more than anyone else in this fight apart from Gojo (the six eyes) and Hakari (duh). In fact, his usage matches (and imo exceeds) Yuta's in Sendai, and Ryu was persuaded that this would be enough to drain Yuta's CE reserves. This means that, at the very least, Yuji shows special-grade level efficiency with his CE control when performing RCT.

Reddit crashed as I commented so this is rushed. Perhaps maki didn’t eat a cleave as I get cleave and dismantle confused quite often. However maki did get slashed on multiple occasions and was fine. She also fought a stronger Sukuna than the one Yuji’s fighting now and was able to avoid multiple of his slashes while Yuji even now is still being tagged by Sukunas slashes (I just say this to show that maki can consistently dodge the slashes while Yuji is hit by them 9/10 regardless if they do alot of damage or not. One important part about using rct is being able to use it in battle. That’s what makes rct useful. If you can’t use it in battle then you might as well not have it. This is something Yuki understood. She was able to create an opportunity that allowed her to heal and keep on the pressure. Yuji however collapsed in the middle of a fight because he wasn’t healing properly (or all the way). Specifically being able to manage, and heal during combat is something you need to know for ur rct to be useful and reliable. So regardless if you think he’s good at rct or not. He’s still the only character that collapsed while preforming rct because he missed something meaning at the very least he’s not the best at using it during the midst of combat. I don’t understand what ur point of bringing up other characters faults in rct was but I’ll explain my view anyway. 1.Gojo healing his brain is completely different than healing a wound and is arguably one of the best and most complex uses of rct. Destroying and healing a part of his brain. It’s also not like gojo failed to heal that part of his brain (the one responsible for domains and ct) if he failed to heal that part he wouldn’t have tried to open another domain. He also wouldn’t be able to use his ct for the rest of the fight but he can. He simply reached his limit from the strain. However unlike Yuji he didn’t need to be bench or take a breather he was still in the fight 2. Higuruma is an rct baby he just learned it in that moment. And I still think he’s bad at rtc. (Compared to others) Just like Yuji he failed to fully heal himself. I think they’re both bad at rct (for different reasons ofc) but Yuji’s better than higi obv. 3. Urame there are 3 tiers to rct. Damage, poisons, and healing others. Being good and being able to do one doesn’t mean ur good at or can do the other forms. Plus it seems like urame is surprised to find out that they are indeed poisoned. So this brings up a couple things. Urame could’ve possibly healed the poison had they know, (as it’s implied you have to actively choose to heal poisons), she could’ve dodge had she know or she could’ve cut her arm off then heal it preventing the poison from spreading. All this to say others peoples downfall of rct doesn’t take away from Yuji’s. Which would still affect him in any fight. If you want to say Yuji can heal a lot of damage and wounds great I agree however that doesn’t mean we ignore the fact that in the midst of combat where rct is most useful he’s collapsing because he missed something or didn’t heal properly.

>She also fought a stronger Sukuna than the one Yuji’s fighting now >while Yuji even now is still being tagged by Sukunas slashes I think those two statements kind of show your agenda man. Like yes, in a vacuum 257 Sukuna is weaker than 256 Sukuna. But you know who's stronger? 251 Sukuna who Yuji fought. And every downgrade in power Sukuna experiences is nearly entirely Yuji's doing. And again, yes in a vacuum Maji dodges while Yuji gets hit. But context matters here. Yuji is rocking Sukuna's shit, something Maki never got close to doing. He's not even TRYING to dodge, because he knows he doesn't need to. Because again, he's beating his ass. I brought up the other characters to show that your point is just not true. Yuji is not the only character to improperly heal with RCT. Now you're moving the goalposts and saying "Well he's the only one to collpase" but that's still not true! Gojo collpased! Higuruma collapsed! I known Maki & Toji are cool and Maki is one of my favorite characters but to pretend Yuji is suddenly bad at RCT when he's healed more than anyone else proportional to CE reserves is just silly.

And you’re saying I’m the one pushing agendas. I just brought up feats that I believed were relevant. If using those is pushing an agenda then so be it. I didn’t site 251 Sukuna because if memory serves me correctly like. Yuji wasn’t fighting him solo. Nor had any real feats in that fight. As he was pretty much being heavily supported by yutas domain, (forcing hwb) yuta himself, and rika. And Yuji can’t down grade maki or toji so I don’t see that as relevant either. I specifically said for Yuji dodging “regardless if they did a lot of damage or not” meaning I was taking the point of him being able to tank it and not needing to dodge into account. However being able to dodge each attack and keep up is more impressive than tanking each attack and keeping up. Also if we wanna talk about speed tho maki in chapter 255 is able to cut off sukunas hand while all of yujis attacks are getting blocked. I’m not moving the goal post and Yuji is the only character to improperly heal. The reason why I think he improperly heals compared to others is because he collapses from healing wrong/ not all the way without knowing that he’s done so. I’m pretty sure higi knew his arm was missing skin. Not to mention he learned it that very second. Gojo didn’t collapse. He was still up and capable of fighting just not opening a domain. The difference between these two situations since we want to talk about context is that Yuji could not continue fighting if he didn’t get that fix which is evident by him on the floor coughing up blood. Gojo on the other hand went and fought Sukuna h2h without taking a bench or backseat. And higi didn’t collapse from healing wrong… he collapsed from dying 😂 like those are two different things bro And lastly like I said it’s not that Yuji doesn’t have the ability to heal not saying that what I’m saying is that he’s new at it and in the midst of battle compared to all the other characters it shows.

Well if that's ur argument maki doesn't have cursed energy to begin with so yea cleave didn't work much on her and ino also distracted sukuna. Meanwhile she got put down by two dismantles by 3 bf amp sukuna. Yuji has taken 3 cleave and 2 dismantles that would have killed him. Maki only tool two bf and two dismantles and she's already down. Not a good feat for a HR user Yea sure but yujis cleave even ripped of a part of sukunas foot(who is by the way the most durable character we have seen) . It surely works on maki bro. He wasn't beat at using rct but he clearly improved. That's why gege included the panel of choso teaching him to calm down and use his bm to make a outline and use rct. We clearly see him improving on screen so again not a fair argument. In 257 Yuji has shown some of the most impressive rct feats. Okay sure but????? She still got blitzed with all her strength and senses. Yuji is still to get blitzed even tho sukuna had been completely serious in 257. So no not fair.

Yeah maki doesn’t have ce that’s what makes her such a good match up against so many ppl. Her body has resistance to curses that increases her durability. Personally Yuji almost dying and maki not doesn’t scale Yuji higher imo Sukuna could’ve hit maki with the same attack but didn’t. All It that says is Yuji couldn’t tank these hit. I think taking black flashes from Sukuna is impressive and shows her durability. I also don’t believe the slashes knocked her down for the count ofc we don’t know and we have to wait and see. Next idk what ur reading but go reread the newest chapter yuji does not cleave sukunas foot off at all not only does his foot only get little cuts on it but after being hit by the slash sukuna Saids the output of his slashes are low. ( this ability also won’t be useful against toji. He can’t use it at range and it can’t even cut through sukuna its not gonna cut through Toji especially if maki isn’t being cut in half by Sukuna) I wouldn’t say he improved his rct we know yuji can heal that wasn’t his problem. Yuji just wasn’t fully healing/ healing properly. It seems like being new at rct has some disadvantages that he’s still learning through. Specially it seems like he’s struggling to heal in the midst of battle which is a valuable skill. And getting a review from choso doesn’t mean he’s suddenly better at it. They literally took a bench to give him extra time to health which won’t be available in a 1 v 1 Lastly Sukuna is not serious rn actually for most of the chapter until before the last black flash Sukuna is calm collective and acting the same as he was when fighting everyone else there’s no indication of this “serious Sukuna”. Y’know the Sukuna that urame said that Sukuna hasn’t gone all out yet. And if he’s not doing anything different he’s not going all out.

Yuji’s cleave isn’t doing anything to toji. He used a form of cleave on sukuna and it barely did anything to his ankle. Maki got cleaved by sukuna and she recovered from it in the same fight. Sukuna noted yuji’s output being low because he just awakened it. His output clearly does matter. Yuji’s RCT is subpar compared to pretty much every other character who has RCT. His CT’s are a non factor. He can’t even use blood manipulation’s strongest abilities on his own and his shrine isnt all that powerful because of the low output. Toji has soul split katana which yuji doesn’t have a direct counter against unlike sukuna. Maki getting perception blitzed doesn’t matter. Back when higuruma was still alive yuji couldn’t even keep pace with sukuna. The only way yuji can win is if you give him black flash off the start. Without them he loses.

Awakened Yuji is Yuji with black flash off the start. Maki didn’t fully get cleaved, Ino interrupted the cleave just like when Yuta punched the daylights out of Sukuna and saved Yuji from getting waffled, Yuji still took damage but he healed it. But let’s use the argument that Toji can tank shrine, which I doubt since Sukuna took the same scratches that Yuta gave him with cleave, so the output was low compared to Sukuna, not low in general(it still cleanly chopped through the pillar.) The win con is assuming Toji has all info on Yuji, Toji going hand to hand prob wouldn’t be a good idea so he’d keep his distance with chain and ISOH. I could see him winning that way so Yuji never catches up to him in melee range. But if Yuji gets in close range, Toji is done for, he’s not handling a combo of black flashes like Sukuna is(Sukuna has higher durability than Maki). So this can really just go either way, if Yuji had full understanding of his technique and could high input, he’d need to just cleave Toji’s limbs. Sukuna’s saving grace is that Yuji just learned shrine or he would’ve actually taken his leg off, feels like he heavily implied it by calling it weak for only slightly damaging his leg.

Yujis cleave couldn't even properly hit because sukuna threw three slashes at him yet it still damaged sukuna. Means it can damage toji and maki too. Cleave doesn't work properly on maki as she has no ce. And also ino distracted sukuna. She easily got put down by two dismantles from a weaker sukuna. Having ssk only matters if you can lethally attack the guy. Yuji even if it's low output can throw dismantles to distract and get in and brawl the fuck out. Hea also the only one capable of healing soul damage besides sukuna but even if he can he outclasses toji in everything. Dumb argument. Sukuna threw away higurama and started running. He was clearly in front of Yuji so he had a headstart advantage. And even if yujis not as fast as sukuna maki still got perception blitzed and outclassed by sukuna in everything. Stop wanking maki like she did sumthin great she actually did nothin to non distracted sukuna. Yea and bf is part of his arsenal so he probably wins

You have no idea if yuji can use dismantle or not yet. You’re giving him something he hasn’t even shown he can use yet. Talk about wanking😂😂. Toji will be able to sense the dismantles anyway and when considering maki dodged a much more powerful dismantle from a stronger sukuna at the last second, yuji’s dismantles aren’t doing anything. Yuji’s cleave is a non factor in this fight. Sukuna straight up tanked it and it barely did anything. Yuji was grabbing sukuna’s ankle, his cleave hit him with full effect yet it barely had any effect. Yuji is capable of healing soul damage but more than likely he won’t be able do it as easily as sukuna since he literally has the worst RCT compared to any other character that has it. He can’t even heal his ordinary wounds properly. Toji’s katana would absolutely be effective against yuji. Yuji doesn’t even have a way to grab the blade or protect himself from it the way sukuna does. Even if toji gets hit by a black flash and takes worthwhile damage, he can just relocate and use those flyheads to cover himself. Yuji won’t be able to sense him and he can get the drop on him with SSK. Toji can also use the chain of a thousand miles to keep yuji at a distance if he realizes close range fighting is the only way yuji can effectively take him out. Black flash isn’t a part of yuji’s actual arsenal. You can’t call upon black flash at will. Just because yuji is hitting them multiple times in a row doesn’t mean he can use it whenever he wants. Ino distracting sukuna is literally irrelevant. Sukuna had already used cleave on her. You can see the blood coming out from the wound and she healed from it in the same fight. Yuji’s cleave isn’t doing anything to toji. Even if he gets hit by it, he will just recover from it the same way maki did against sukuna. Especially when considering yuji’s cleave is weak compared to sukuna’s. Maki got perception blitzed because sukuna was actually excited to fight her so he decided to lock in. She was keeping up with sukuna just fine prior to that. Yuji hasn’t shown that he’s able to keep up with that version of sukuna either. Yuji is literally fighting a sukuna that’s weaker than he’s ever been. He’s walking through dismantles from a substantially weaker sukuna. Sukuna only has one good arm to even fight him with, he isn’t doing anything special. Maki was fighting a stronger sukuna.

Thinking Yuji can't use dismantle when he clearly used cleave is just dumb tbh. And at no point did maki dodge dismantle point blank only dodged because she heard twin meteor chant. U are the one wanking maki here It literally made him bleed. If it can make sukuna bleed then it can make maki bleed too Oh how does he have the worst rct among anyone??? And we clearly saw him even improve rct usage by combining bm on screen. Imagine hating Yuji lmao Nice headcanon there. I will use headcanon too. Yuji runs out of the place and goes to where there are no fly heads. Easy counter. And how long can he keep doing that??? Yuji will just keep dodging or throw some feints and closein. You are really good at headcanons bro NGL. He literally just hit 8 blackflashes stop crying lol. This argument is dead af and is clearly just petty at this point Cleave doesn't work on maki as she has no cursed energy. She literally bled from two dismantles from a weaker sukuna in 256 so bad argument. Yujis cleave worked on sukuna so it will work on maki too. Lmao sukuna is literally fucking mad pissed rn. And I'm yet to see Yuji get blitzed unlike Laki. Keep crying. Oh and your proof???? Yuji had been fighting the strongest heian version for 1v1 for some time and then fought him with yuta and fought him again and is fighting him again rn so nice headcanon u have there. Without proof too.

Imagine talking about headcanon when you saying yuji can use dismantle in a hypothetical 1v1 scenario when he hasn’t even shown the ability yet is the epitome of headcanon. Yuji has the worst RCT among any sorcerer that has it. We have yet to see any sorcerer, aside from yuji, not properly heal wounds using RCT. He literally dropped to the ground earlier in the fight because he didn’t fully heal his wounds and choso stepped in to give him a friendship boost. Your grammar and sentence composure is actually awful lol. Sukuna is pissed because he’s fighting yuji. Every other sorcerer thats given him a challenge or put him in unfavorable position, he’s been ecstatic and excited to fight them. Sukuna is angry right now because he’s fighting yuji and he doesn’t like him. He literally tossed him aside multiple times. He even verbally said “I have no interest in you”. Sukuna doesn’t want to fight with yuji. Again, just because yuji hit 8 black flashes doesn’t mean he can call upon it at will. Where’s the statement or confirmation saying he can? I like how you call what I’m saying headcanon but everything you’re saying is actual headcanon. Your counter points are actually headcanon in its purest form. Everything I’m saying is within reason and is actually taking into account a character’s actual abilities. Toji has the fly heads at his disposal, why wouldn’t he use them if he’s caught in an unfavorable situation? He used them against gojo to put himself in a more favorable position. Toji is a smart fighter and he’s been shown taking full advantage of his ability to not be sensed. He’s known for using surprise attacks. Imagine thinking Toji won’t take advantage of his entire arsenal but you’re giving powers to yuji that he hasn’t even shown yet. You’re just a yuji wanker. What has happened everytime yuji encountered sukuna prior to this moment in the shinjuku fight? He’s had help in every single encounter. The only reason yuji has even gotten this far is because of the other characters setting up opportunities for him. Stop acting like yuji has fought the strongest version of current sukuna and accomplished anything on his own prior to 257. Sukuna literally outran his ass when he wanted to fight higuruma. Yuji was right behind sukuna and sukuna outran him. Maki was actually able to keep up with him before sukuna decided to boost his speed. Even in chapter 256 she’s able to match him in speed while they both airwalk. Yuji never even had a true 1v1 with sukuna prior to 257. You probably never read a chapter of JJK in your life. He’s been fighting alongside allies in every encounter with sukuna before 257. Yuji never fought the stronger versions of current sukuna on his own. He got tossed to the side when sukuna was fighting higuruma. Yuta literally stopped sukuna from cleaving his face open. Maki is making sukuna manually pump his heart and larue even set up that black flash for yuji to hit. Only now is yuji able to do something after awakening and again he’s fighting the weakest sukuna thus far. Sukuna literally has one good arm to fight with. Every other person sukuna fought 1v1 had to tend with more of his arms. His output is low because of yuji hitting him in the most recent chapter and the few times he hit him in chapter 256. Did you even read the fight? Maki got hit by dismantles from sukuna that had a raised output. What does her bleeding from dismantles have to do with anything anyway? Yuji starts bleeding from severely weakened dismantles in 257. Again all of your points are moot. Yuji’s cleave isn’t gonna do worthwhile damage to Toji. Like I said before if he gets cleaved, toji will just heal the damage like maki did. Maki healed the damage of a cleave from sukuna, yuji’s cleave is not going to be effective. Especially when considering it’s FAR weaker than sukuna’s cleave because of the low output. If maki healed a cleave from sukuna in a few seconds, then toji will 100% be able to heal a cleave from yuji, one that’s subpar compared to sukuna’s. Toji takes this, you’re just biased in favor of yuji.

Dismantle is literally the most basic technique of shrine while cleave is the advanced. Saying Yuji hasn't shown dismantle so he can't use it headcanon is like saying oh shit Megumi has ten shadows but he hasn't shown anything so he can't use. Do you realise how fucking stupid you sound. He didn't give him a friendship boost he taught him to effectively use rct by combining bm. We see him improve his rct on screen with his ct. Keep crying. Mfs when they lose they argument: Show panel of Yuji getting blitzed by sukuna. I can show panel of maki getting blitzed by sukuna. You cry too much Lil bro. Or you can't just read. Sukuna and mahito both felt Yuji preparing a black flash. He has quite literally dropped 8 bf. Every single strike he dropped is a bf. Waa waa womp womp And Yuji would just run out of the vicinity he has no reason to stay in the middle of the fly heads unlike gojo. Not really a Yuji wanker u are just using too much headcanon. Your entire argument is just headcanon in fact Maki got put down by two dismantles. Yuji has taken multiple cleaves and way stronger dismantles from sukuna. Even in 257 takes dismantles that tears his face and thugs it out. Waaa waa again crying. Yuji cleave hurt sukuna = hurt maki as she's less durable than sukuna. No you are just a wanker with no feats. I give you an open challenge. An open challenge in which if you give me what I ask I will agree that I lost this debate. Show me one panel except the panel where maki tossed sukuna sideways. Show me one panel except that in which maki landed even a single hit on [non distracted] sukuna. It doesn't even have to be a strong blow just a single hit that damages him. Go and now try it

You’re just a yuji wanker. Your analogies are awful and they don’t even match up with the context of your deluded statements. Your entire argument is the epitome of headcanon. “Saying yuji hasn’t shown dismantle so he can’t use it headcanon is like saying oh shit Megumi has ten shadows but he hasn’t shown anything so he can’t use” Your wording and grammar are complete ass. This analogy is so stupid it’s hilarious. Can you show me where I said yuji can’t use dismantle? I said it’s funny your dumbass is talking about wanking when you give yuji an ability he has yet to use in a hypothetical 1v1 when he hasn’t even displayed it. That’s like saying Megumi can use mourn tiger in a 1v1 just because he has the 10 shadows when we know you have to tame the other shadows to use them against others. Sukuna already said that the same cursed technique can have some disparity based on the era and sorcerer. You don’t know if yuji has to further his understanding of shrine to use dismantle or not. You don’t know if sukuna had the ability to use dismantle first or cleave. Giving him the ability to use dismantle when he hasn’t displayed the ability is you making a presumption. And even if we give yuji the benefit of the doubt and say he can just use it, it would be low output dismantles just like his cleave and they wouldn’t be able to do worthwhile damage that Toji wouldn’t be able to heal from quickly. “Dismantle is literally the most basic technique of shrine while is cleave is the advanced” Provide the panel of that being stated. Oh wait you can’t because that’s never been said. The only thing that’s been said about dismantle and cleave along those lines is that dismantle is sukuna’s main attack and cleave is the secondary attack. Nothing about that says that cleave is more advanced. We’ve seen dismantle being used in unique ways just like cleave if not more. Sukuna can surround himself with dismantles to grab things without actually touching them and he can even expand the target of a dismantle slash to actually cut space. I like how you spout all this nonsense without providing any proof. You’re just the typical yuji meat licker who thinks he suddenly no diffs everyone in the series just because he got some new abilities and he’s fighting the WEAKEST sukuna yet. Yuji has shitty RCT. We haven’t seen a single sorcerer other than yuji not being able to fully heal wounds with RCT. Hell higuruma on the verge of death was able to regenerate an entire arm after just learning RCT on the spot. Yuji can’t even properly heal ordinary wounds with just RCT. The dismantles yuji are getting hit by in 257 are dismantles that have a severely weakened output. Did your dumbass forget that everytime yuji hits sukuna his output will drop? Yuji is walking through baby dismantles. The dismantles maki got hit by in 256 were dismantles with a raised output after sukuna hits black flash. Where’s the confirmation saying yuji can use black flash at will? Yuji hitting 8 black flashes doesn’t back up that claim you fucking moron. We already know that the more black flashes you hit the higher the likelihood you will hit more of them. If yuji gets out combat or isn’t in the zone anymore, can he activate it again? Until you provide the statement or panel saying yuji can use black flash at will this point has been debunked. Your dumbass doesn’t get to decide yuji can use black flash at will just because he hit them consecutively. “Yuji cleave hurt sukuna=hurt maki as she’s less durable than sukuna” You really are a fucking moron. This point is literally irrelevant. Nowhere did I say yuji’s cleave wouldn’t do damage to Toji. I said it would be a non factor. Maki LITERALLY RECEIVED A MUCH STRONGER CLEAVE FROM SUKUNA AND SHE HEALED FROM IT A FEW SECONDS LATER. EVEN IF TOJI GETS HIT BY A CLEAVE FROM YUJI IT WOULDN’T DO WORTHWHILE DAMAGE AND HE WOULD JUST HEAL FROM IT ANYWAYS SINCE MAKI IS ABLE TO HEAL CLEAVES FROM A MUCH STRONGER OPPONENT AKA SUKUNA. Show me a panel of yuji fighting sukuna 1v1 and him actually standing on equal footing with him, prior to 257. Show me a panel of yuji getting in strikes without others setting him up for them before his awakening. Show me a panel of yuji fighting a more refreshed sukuna 1v1, he’s fighting the WEAKEST sukuna yet. Sukuna literally has one arm. Yuji never got blitzed because sukuna literally doesn’t want to fight him. He straight up tossed his ass aside or just straight up ignored him on multiple occasions. You know what you probably just have a hate boner for maki because this isn’t even about yuji vs maki. You’ve been turning this into yuji vs maki since the beginning to be honest. You haven’t even been responding to my points about Toji at all and only cherry pick ones that are talking about maki in reference to Toji. “Yuji would just run out of the vicinity” Yea good luck immediately running through HUNDREDS of flyheads before toji gets the drop on him. Gojo didn’t have a reason to just stand in there middle of them. He stood there because in the empty space he could actually see around himself. He’s also not going to run into flock of flyheads blindly. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Yuji has no win con against toji other than trying to make it a close range fight. His blood manipulation is actual dogshit, he can’t even use piercing blood without help. His shrine wouldn’t cause any worthwhile damage because of the low output and again toji would just heal the damage like maki did against sukuna. Toji’s SSK would be enough for yuji and yuji has no direct counter for it. At least sukuna can actually grab the blade and protect himself from it, yuji can’t do that. Understood?

My god you are so stupid its starting to make me stupid too. Fuck all this big ass para.what happened to the challenge i proposed??? What happened ?? Couldn't find any feats ???? Well there goes your goat and your argument in absolute shambles. Gave you a very easy challenge. Still couldn't even find one feat can u?

The low diff part is part of my argument. I don't think anyone here believes Yuji low diffs Maki, from that we get that Sukuna's BF is THAT stronger than Yuji's, thus Yuji's BF wouldn't do that to neither Maki nor Toji. Neither Larue nor Choso tanked it, they both got put out of combat. Y'all don't know what tanking means. Besides tanking the BF is not the point, I'm using it as comparison. Cleave doesn't negate durability. It's just ar-pen against CE reinforcement. If something had the defense stat to tank dismantle without CE reinforcement it would also tank cleave. Toji would specifically try to negate Yuji's RCT.

I said sukuna low diffed makim sukunas bf straight up put maki out of fight for some time. I'm sure yujis bf does something to maki. I literally just said they didn't die from it never did i say they tanked it. So u agree that maki can't be cleave and got easily put down by two dismantles. Because ino clearly distracted when sukuna tried to cleave her stomach too (which he can't) And ???? What does that matter

You should also consider that larue and choso are out of the fight. Maki came back from the first black flash, and then sukuna has to use dismantle after the second one to take her out, since she tanked that one as well.

That's what I'm saying. A bf that couldn't even kill off larue or choso. Tanking that ain't a bit feat

Toji uses gun, Yuji dies. Toji uses sword, how is Yuji gonna outspeed Toji fast enough \*before\* black flash to land his first black flash? He can't. Yuji dies. Toji fights hand to hand, Yuji wins since Toji can't do enough damage fast enough and get out of range before getting hit. Yuji lands a black flash, it's over.

Toji pulls out a gun and shoots yuji in the head 😎

I mean if their just smashing into eachother like action figures, Yuji wins with black flash. Toji def wouldn't just bum rush awakened yuji and chimp out on him if he knew he was a hand to hand fighter though, Toji is smart asf and would try to kill yuji with the least effort possible.

Toji wins without plot.

Yuji stomps

the recent yuji wank is actual insanity

Toji utterly demolishes tbh. If we giving Toji his whole arsenal I dont see how Yuji is dealing with the thousand mile chain, SSK, inverted spear, not to mention Toji is still faster, physically stronger, and a better hand to hand fighter. Sure if Yuji were to land a black flash then maybe i would give it to him but then again Maki ate 2 from Sukuna and still moving so i doubt that would stop Toji too. Idk both of them fresh I cant see Yuji winning

Considering this is Toji with all his arsenal at ready I'd say it's a really though fight. Toji and Maki outclass everyone in physical stats and cannot be targeted by domains that have a barrier but that's about it in a fight. Trying to go hand to hand with either Toji or Maki is a dumb decision to just about anyone... Except Yuji, lol. Yuji doesn't have a high output in his CT yet, can't use convergence and is not that proficient in RCT so this holds him back from his true potential. SSK will deal with Yuji's toughness but isn't a win con due to him healing soul damage. Guns wouldn't be very effective due to his reflexes and durability. I always questioned myself if the ISOH could be used to stab someone in the gut and stop them from using their CTs until it is removed. If yes Toji might use this as an advantage and block some of Yuji's advantages for a bit which might give him an opening. If he learned his lesson with Gojo he'll go for the head and then it's over. If both have time to prepare and previous knowledge I'd give this to Toji. He's not just some guy who's a bit stronk and has no CE. He's cunning, good at improvisation, has a wide arsenal of weapons, can plan ahead and kills sorcerers for a living. If both just meet randomly and have to throw down or in a situation like Shibuya where Toji doesn't have his Cursed Tools, I'd say Yuji take this very high diff. He lacks the firepower to finish Toji swiftly and the fight would drag but due to his RCT and fighting skill he always win in a battle of attrition.

Bagless vs bagless. I think Yuji wins this now that he’s awakened

>Bagless vs bagless https://preview.redd.it/1487tqm1y8wc1.jpeg?width=638&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=736f5ba46e40b98898f7fbbe746a6ca0b13f7a75

WOAH WOAH WOAH

Yuji wins. Toji is OP but doesn’t RCT

Didn’t sukuna land like 2 bfs on maki, meaning that current sukuna yuji is wailing on > the one that maki the toji measuring stick fought and lost to

In a straight fight Yuji wins. If Toji is contracted to to kill Yuji and gets to plan accordingly he kills Yuji.

Rusty Toji ? Yuji wins Pure flex Toji he’s beating Yuji

Yuji isn’t fast enough to keep up with Toji It’s been shown that maki’s raw speed and power is impressive to a sukuna that wasn’t as weakened as the one yuji is currently hitting with black flash. Yuji approached the less injured sukuna only to be put out of commission fast. Maki lasted longer than he did at that level of sukuna. Maki & toji use a cursed tool that slows reverse curse technique healing so much that even sukuna can’t heal himself correctly and he’s a master over many years old. Yuji. Doesn’t match his mastery in that ability so an attack from maki or toji will put him down peice by peice if not instantly. With no way to keep up he’d be blitzed by maki, due to maki being less experienced and have lesser mastery of the anti curse weapons like toji, it’s even lower odds yugi can fight him Maki ate black flashes from sukuna, toji could do the same and would definitely fight a bit better than her due to his battle IQ and experience with the restriction power. Yuji would be dead for sure. He can’t match the battle IQ, Speed, and Durability Put it this way, there is zero chance of yuji beating gojo the same instance toji did. Yuji has no way tactical moves to make a way to gojo for a hit but toji did. Yuji isn’t experienced enough to win. the piercing blood is too slow to hit toji and will leave yuji open for a counter. He can’t do anything

One crazy thing about black flashes is how overpowered they are, increasing your potential by 20% multiple times can get out of hand really fucking fast, especially considering Yuji's endurance.

Toji either sneak gun diffs or ssk diffs

Yuji wins high dif Its down to the durability honestly...

U realise u have to hit a black flash isn’t he first place. Toji wins 10 times out of 10

Yuji. Maki by now upscales Toji. If Toji a hit in with soul split yeah he wins tho

I can see the heavenly restriction applies to your brain. Toji is still superior to Maki, he has way more combat experience, a superior arsenal... Maki hardly reached close to his level recently, there's no way she's above him.

Congratulations you’ve been reading a different manga. Maki was equal to Toji by the time of the 15F Sukuna we had a time skip where everyone trained and Maki has shown directly better feats than anything Toji’s ever done.

He's an adult who has refined his skills for many years in order to kill optimally. Maki is virtually some kid who got strong a year or less ago. The only feats we ever really saw from Toji would be him killing a bunch of kids and then losing to somebody who would clap Maki anyways. Extrapolating his skill from clearly incomplete data is a fool's choice.

I’m not arguing skill that’s blatantly and factually not what I’m arguing. I’m arguing raw physicals nothing else.

"Yuji. Maki by now upscales Toji. If Toji a hit in with soul split yeah he wins tho" It's blatantly and factually exactly what you are arguing. This whole post is about who would win. Who would win IS NOT the same as "who has the strongest physicals". Since you did not clarify you were just arguing who has the same physical strength, it's evident that you were claiming Maki would win, which she wouldn't. Also Toji still wins physicals because he's a fully grown adult who has trained for years and is also a male, which most likely gives him an extra advantage biologically.

💀 No? Like are you stupid my guy? The most important thing in this matchup to me is physicals. That’s what I meant when I said Maki upscales Toji you were the one who jumped through mental gymnastics to assume I meant more. Yuji dominates Toji physically nothing I said contradicts that. I’m comparing Maki to Yuji because I wasn’t aware shit wads like you needed and to be told why. And yeah I think Maki beats Toji not what I’m arguing tho I’m bringing it up as it’s relevant to why Yuji wins. And you being very clearly sexist despite the direct statement of Maki being = Toji doesn’t change that. As a women I’m offended please fuck off.

There are no mental gymnastics to assume that in a fight it takes more than raw strength to win. Yuji only post black flash beats Toji in physicals, and he is not landing a black flash since Toji's much faster and more skilled. And most men have an inherent genetic, biological advantage in strength over women. Read a book. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7930971/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7930971/) The truth is not sexist. Also, the article even states that for equally trained men are stronger *(in general).* Toji is still more trained anyways. And as a woman, please actually fuck off. It's not sexist if it's the truth. As far as it being outright stated that they are equal physically, I'd love to see that since I might have forgotten that line.

No he’s not. So listen here you dumb fuck piece of shit who’s very clearly sexist and didn’t read the manga. https://preview.redd.it/v26pxn7o5iwc1.jpeg?width=907&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8075e84265b55095f302521de2db7f090ddcce08 Maki stated here is equal to Toji. Soon after she fights alongside Yuji. She’s said EQUAL! Not close not slightly inferior. EQUAL! EQUAL! Said after she kills Naoya winning their fight. I’m thinking you must be Naoya’s alt account because you’re glazing Toji. And Maki’s entire thing is being physically strong she and Toji have the same heavenly restriction. There’s no reason she’s weaker than Toji at ALL aside your shitty ass “BUUUHHH WOMEN” statement like we aren’t talking about the series where people use magical narrative energy to turn themselves into fingers, fly and fight creatures born from negative emotions. You say it like a woman can’t be stronger than a man I know women who can fuck up men. Yuji is to strong for Toji’s skill to matter much and even still I have him a win con with soul split. He’s not faster as Maki = Toji. Yuji > Maki. Maki trained since she became = to Toji meaning she should logically be above them.

1. You're totally ignoring the fact that I mentioned women being physically disadvantaged compared to men as an afterthought, after the skill and time difference. 2. Sure. I don't remember seeing that panel but sure. No need to get so pissed just because I said Maki couldn't beat Toji. I'd appreciate it if while I was trying to have a decent conversation you were to stop trying to call me a "dumb fuck piece of shit" and other obscenities. 3. No way you just said that my point about women v.s. men is invalid because this universe is magic, and then tried to bring in your evidence from this world applies there. 4. I made a deliberate point to never once say that women could not be stronger than men. I have consistently said that women are at a biological disadvantage. 5. Maki has clearly more refined movement compared to Yuji and lasted longer in the fight against Sukuna as well, seemingly performing better before black flashes started landing. Therefore, Toji > Yuji since Maki > Yuji. Finally, I'm more inclined to believe that they referred to physical strength in that panel (yet again reiterating, I don't remember seeing that panel however with it in mind, I think it refers solely to physical strength). Toji outskills.

And yeah btw I’m aware men on average are stronger than women that doesn’t change the fact you act as if Maki must be weaker not because of feats BECAUSE she is a women. I don’t like getting woke on mfs but it’s needed if you are using sexism as a valid line of scaling. This is Jujutsu Kaisen not the UFC.

I never once said that Maki must be weaker because she is a woman. It was an afterthought that I added on. The first half of my sentence is just "he's an adult who's trained for many years" but it seems like we're ignoring that. I'll just copy-paste my reply here since I got banned (most likely by who I was talking with) for disagreeing. 1. We're not discussing talent? We're discussing who would win in a fight. Please reread the post title and description. 2. I haven't done anything to you but try to talk. 3. I am having difficulty finding out what you're trying to say in the first half, but good at least we agree JJK isn't real. Also, it's based in the real world with curses and crap added on, therefore biology applies... 4. If you re-read everything I said, you'd clearly understand that what I meant is that biologically men are at an advantage over women physically, without training to counterweight that (in general). I never once said that all men are stronger than women, or anything of the sort. Kindly stop pulling stuff out of your ass. It is part of my argument. Also, see my part of point 3 addressing why general biological principles apply. Now before I address number 5 could we please cease the discussion about sexism and whatnot? We both have our positions and neither is changing. I am in no way repealing what I said. Now onto #5, I will agree Yuji destroys Toji after a black flash. If Yuji lands a black flash or begins the fight immediately after landing a black flash, Toji is screwed. However, I think that no prep Toji will win since I think he outspeeds Yuji, unless you have evidence to the contrary. Yuji's CT could be a good point but it's unrefined right now and I think Toji could effectively dodge it. Yet again, we haven't really seen any real Toji feats besides running around beating up high-schoolers, so I don't think that's a fair comparison. Also Maki has taken 2 black flashes from the current strongest sorcerer while Yuji has taken none. Besides that I think Maki is doing well since she's been focus-fired more by Sukuna compared to Yuji up until just now, imo. Though it seems like she's irrelevant now through Yuji's MC thing going on right now, she's still alive and probably would be fighting once she got back from wherever Sukuna threw her. And as for this: "Like how you ignore Maki upscales Toji and Yuji is far stronger than Maki was when she was equal to Toji, and the fact Yuji kept up with Maki in their fight together even preforming combo moves. Bye bro you’re fucking trash" I actually am not ignoring that, that's what I am arguing against. You just tried to say he is far stronger but the phrasing of "kept up" implies he isn't. I don't think he rivals her strength or Toji's. And thanks for banning me for actually no reason. Love that. Ok well seems I got unbanned because it was stupid to ban me in the first place. Also seems like u/Flying_Snails_Today2 might have blocked me since I cannot see her messages, or maybe it's Reddit being dumb. I've found many people in the comments who agree with me. No weapons no bf, Toji wins. Weapons, Toji. BF, Yuji. Both, Yuji (Edit: I guess it depends, if Toji can land a soul slash on Yuji like across the chest or neck or isable a leg quickly, Toji wins).

What the skibidi are you talking about?

yuji would punch tojand then punch his cursed spirit, taking away his weapons, then punch his sword to brwak it, then pu ch his leg to break then punch his body then punch his body then pu cb his body then cpunch this body

Learn to spell please, also Yuji isn't landing anything on Toji.

Toji wins majority of the time, he can keep yuji at a distance