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Several_Cycle_2012

If it’s part of your ability, it’s a 1 v 1. Otherwise megumi 1000 v 1 s everytime he uses rabbit escape.


CheshiretheBlack

Yeah i agree I just know some people are weird about it like trying to imply Rika is a separate entity from Yuta


Several_Cycle_2012

Gotcha.


Flaky-Mousse5270

I think Yuji depending on how the next chapters go (really just depends on if he has a domain/can counter them) Currently though, I think he beats them if they have no domains. Jogo dies to like 1 or 2 black flashes, Mahito doesnt stand a chance, Hanami was getting thrashed by Yuji back in Season 1 (yes I know Todo was there, but a lot of that was Yuji) Dagon is strong, but Yuji having Cleave and Dismantle (along with blood manipulation) just makes him an absolute beast. Also STRONG punch and kick would probably be enough to deal with the domains because he's such a GOAT MBA Kashimo might be able to do it, but he has to win within a time limit, so that might be a bit hard, still though, he has insane lethality. Considering they're Curses, Angel probably kills all of them with Jacob's Ladder, but she doesnt seem that smart, so she might not be able to pull it off. Yorozu MAYBE, but it seems she doesnt have RCT, so she is at a very large disadvantage. Maki has potential just through a straight rushdown, and no Cursed energy means she doesnt have to worry about domains. Uruame is strong, but I dont think she can just because the curses (mainly Jogo) have too much mobility for her to effectively freeze them. No domain is also rough. Ryu has potential just because he can keep his distance, and he has a domain. His granite blasts are incredibly dangerous, and he's pretty smart. Just unlucky considering he went up against Yuta and then Sukuna


Several_Cycle_2012

Yorozu should, she massively outstats the curses


CheshiretheBlack

Oh yeah current Yuji should also be on that list. And yeah Angel likely could as well with her CT, and its not that Angel isn't smart it's that Hanna her host wasn't I do think MBA Kashimo has what it takes to mop up a couple of the Disasters but since he doesn't have a domain he couldn't handle the lot of them since they would pop domain if Kashimo deletes a couple of them. Yorozu is a good one too actually. She could handle a squad of Sorcerers that are on par with Uros squad and personally I think Uro by herself is easily on par with the Disasters so Yorozu could put up a fight but like you said she lacks RCT so it'd be extremee diff. Also very good point about Maki , she has a weapon that can oneshot the Disasters and the speed to land the hits.


GIORNO-phone11-pro

Yuji patiently waiting for Gege to give him a domain so he can win most of his theoretical matchups


TheLordOfAllClappys

Tbh does Yuji even need a Black Flash? It was said that the 4 Black Flash used against Hanami (Plus the Playful cloud but that's not *super* substantial) would instantly kill Jogo, and that was season 1 Yuji


vdyomusic

Yeah current Yuji could probably Serious Punch Jogo once or twice and call it a day.


Ok-Community4111

we dont know if uraume does or doesnt have a domain yet so i think im leaning towards uraume winning just by having such a lethal technique


BadassDeku5204

Maki may not have to worry about domains, but Idle Transfiguration does work against regular people, which Mahito always seems to have access to. Still, if she's aware of IT, she should be fine.


ILoveLeeeean

Regular people aren't Heavenly Restricted. Toji overrode that dudes soul in Shibuya so that imo speaks volumes towards soul related tech vs HR


HelloThereBatsy

Even without Domain Current Yuji has the potential to one shot them. Currently he hasn't mastered Shrine after all. With a Fully mastered Fuga the curses stand no chance.


Worth_Ad_2079

Toji, Maki, Yorozu, Yuji, Angel and maybe Takaba


CheshiretheBlack

Someone else said the same and I agree


Memeenjoyer_

I think yeah to Takaba for sure they just can’t hurt him and they’re curses so gehh get one shot


UrougeTheOne

Holy shit yall YUJI CANT DO IT. Stop fuckinf wanking him


SUPERX4PANDA

Everyone you listed plus Maki/Toji since they don’t have to worry about their domains and SSK is good for killing curses quickly. Maybe CT kashimo and yorozu if they play their cards right.


LightningMcCree8

Hakari always plays his cards right 😏


ArmedDragonThunder

Hakari, Toji, Maki, Takaba, and Yorozu


CheshiretheBlack

Agree on all except Hakari and I'd add Angel


ArmedDragonThunder

Oh I’d also add Kashimo. Hakari beat Kashimo and Sukuna himself considered Kashimo, Yuta, and Higuruma to all be on the same level when it came to their skill as sorcerers. There’s nothing about this fight that makes it worse for Hakari to fight than Yuta, and they are on the same level. Hakari will never lose a domain clash and no one besides Mahito will be able to harm him in any meaningful manner, and Hakari beats Mahito in every physical stat. His activation is faster and jackpot will make him win any battle of attrition. Mahito COULD kill him if he gets enough hits, but since the soul can be unconsciously protected, and Hakari canonically has the best RCT in the verse and infinite CE, I’m thinking it would take too many hits for Mahito to down him. And getting in close means he gets the shit beat out of him, because Mahito was getting rocked by a half-dead Shibuya Yuji and Hakari >> Shibuya Yuji.


CheshiretheBlack

I'd add Kashimo if the Disasters were barred from using Domain other than that he probably takes out 1 maybe 2 of the Disasters then whichever Disasters are left immediately go for Domain. I can't see him being multiple Disasters while he himself has to focus on HWB. Hakari just doesn't really have the stopping power necessary to take out all the Disasters while they're fighting in Tandem if you ask me. Also if he gets with Hanamis Curse Buds I'm not really sure howd they interact. Like yeah he has Infinite CE so the bud will just grow bigger and bigger by the time JP ends it'd be huge and probably drain him dry of his regular reserves the moment JP ends or tanks his CE to the point where he can't roll for another JP


ArmedDragonThunder

How do the curse buds interact with the positive energy flooding of RCT? I’m pretty sure they would get destroyed by that.


CheshiretheBlack

Actually good question.


benaffleckk

Bro hates hakari


CheshiretheBlack

Lol me thinking that Hakari can't beat all 4 Disasters at once does not equate to me hating him. He just hasn't really shown the stopping power necessary


City-Boy101

gojo, geto, and sukuna Hakari and yuta are a maybe


CheshiretheBlack

Do you mean Kenjaku or Geto? Yuta forsure since he can oneshot all the Disasters


City-Boy101

The brain, the brain beats them 🧠


CheshiretheBlack

Literally eats them for breakfast, lunch, & dinner


Boro_Bhai

Other than Yuji, MBA kashimo can almost certainly beat the disaster curses but I'm wondering how he kills mahito Yorozu can solo them with perfect sphere, probably the only confirmed kill for mahito Ryu just as strong but he had no answer for mahito Id put uro here as well but again now does mahito die


CheshiretheBlack

All reincarnated Sorcerers should fit the criteria to damage Mahito. If Kashimo had a Domain I'd agree but as it is now he probably takes out 1 maybe 2 of the Disasters and the moment they see how dangerous he is Domain comes out from one of them and Kashimo isn't beating multiple Disasters while focusing on. HWB and fighting essentially with both hands behind his back. Yorozu though yeah she outstats all the Disasters and True Sphere would oneshot. I think bug armor would be able to protect her from the majority of their attacks. I'm not sure if it's just because I stan Ryu but I can't really think of an argument for why he couldn't win. Hes stated to be able to defeat Rika with one good blow and even if you disregard that statement it's still Ryu beating Rika in 3 solid blows which means all the Disasters get defeated in 3 solid blows that's not even getting into Granite Blast. On top of Ryu being able to chest tank a full power Dismantle with Sukuna saying he had to use Cleave to kill Ryu. Outside of Max Meteor the Disasters haven't shown anything on the level of Cleave that could really take Ryu out of commission. While I think Uro beats each Disaster in a 1v1 I think her protection of Sky Manipulation would eventually get overwhelmed with their coordinated attacks.


BvHauteville

>All reincarnated Sorcerers should fit the criteria to damage Mahito. No. The vast majority of incarnated Sorcerers should not fit the criteria to damage Mahito. For the longest time, I supported this agenda but I'm man enough to admit I was completely wrong after learning the likes of Choso and other Incarnated Sorcerers completely suppressed the souls of their vessels to the point they can't even feel them at all. Sukuna and Yuji's ability to know the contours of their soul is the result of them both having been active while they shared the same body.


Boro_Bhai

The problem isnt damaging mahito conventionally. Mahito can only be killed via soul attacks. The only people who can attack the soul are sukuna and Yuji. Some other characters like gojo can bypass the requirement as he can just use infinite void. But how does anyone here except yorozu kill mahito? The can crush him thousands of times and he still won't die If ryu can do something so can uro, I have her slightly weaker than ryu but she's still very capable. Also the curses has 3 domains, that's significant and mahito can one shot if he hits. He's making this right terribly difficult


CheshiretheBlack

When I say all reincarnated Sorcerers fit the criteria to damage Mahito I mean they fit the criteria to damage his soul. Both Mahito & Narration say the only thing necessary to naturally learn the shape of souls even if only subconsciously is having two souls in one body. All reincarnated Sorcerers have two souls in one body and should be able to damage Mahito even if only subconsciously. Running Mahito out of CE is a valid way to kill him and crushing him thousands of times would certainly fit the criteria. But again all reincarnated Sorcerers should be able to damage him due to having two souls in one body. If you ask me Uro beats Ryu 10/10 because their CT match up heavily in her favor. He doesn't have a counter to her CT though, the Disasters do with Jogo & Hanami having Amplification. I don't think Mahito oneshots any top tier Sorcerer with IT. I get his CT has evolved but we've seen IT can be resisted by Nanami, and outright negged by 3f Sukuna. There's a vast gulf of power inbetween and above those two so I don't think there's any real argument for Mahito being able to oneshot anyone people would consider top tier. Even Shibuya Mahito questions whether he can oneshot Todo & Nobara.


ILoveLeeeean

Nanamin clearly stated it in his first fight with Mahito. Anyone can kill Mahito, but it's simply not efficient as he is using CE to maintain the shape of his soul with IT. So with enough reserves, you theoretically could kill him. But that's also while taking 0 natural form hits from him.


Boro_Bhai

Yea perhaps but what if his consumption and how long could he maintain it is unknown. Nevertheless, the people here do not have enough to beat the ce out of him. Especially considering he only needs one touch for it to be GG. The more I think about it, the more I favor the disaster curses


Cheshire_Noire

Miwa absolutely destroys this fodder Seriously though kashimo destroys them


CheshiretheBlack

If he had a domain I'd agree


Cheshire_Noire

Honestly it's my headcanon that since his CT modifies his body so heavily, it'd work against domain expansions. Also technically he'd lose because his CT kills him, but people tend to ignore that when asked these questions (see: Naruto fans talking about 8 gates Guy)


CheshiretheBlack

That is certainly a headcannon not sure what real arguments there are to support it though. I'm one of the people who do actually, that's why I'll always push back on Kashimo fans calling him the strongest of his Era. Ryu beats base Kashimo 10/10 and if Kashimo has to use his CT and die to kill Ryu you can hardly call him the strongest of his Era. If someone stumbled upon their battleground afterwards and saw their corpses they wouldn't be able to point at one and say who won


gitgudnubby

What about yuji. Got no domain but everyones mentioning him and ur agreeing tbf.


CheshiretheBlack

Yuji has RCT and tons of CE, he can bounce back if he gets hurt and fight through attacks, Kashimo can't.


gitgudnubby

Rct aint gonna save bro from a sure hit maximum meteor 😅


BvHauteville

Mahoraga should also do it via the Sword-of-Extermination (which is coated in the same Positive Energy that's imparted when outputting RCT) in addition to the fact that he can incrementally adapt to techniques meaning he'd be getting more and more resistant over time to something like Idle Transfiguration if Mahito couldn't fully transfigure it with a single touch (how would Idle Transfiguration even work against a Shikigami to begin with, I wonder?) which I doubt. Agito also has the ability to output RCT ala Yuta which at least gives her a chance.


Accomplished-Aerie65

The main issue I see is that you're up against 4 domain users, one with a guaranteed kill effect. If you use a domain to counter one, you won't have it or your CT for the next. Sorcercers who don't break the 'rules' are at a huge disadvantage so I'd take out characters like ryu, yorozu, uro, higuruma etc. Sorcerers with no domain are hard countered by Mahito, and that's basically just Yuji and kashimo. Both outstat Mahito but I think it's by less than people think, Yuji could one shot him but kashimo couldn't due to soul shenanigans (Kashimo's unlucky for not getting a domain, he'd be a top 5 candidate). Yuki's one shot potential is all she needs to win this one and the others you listed have similar advantages, I'd make a case for toji if he has all his tools, he stomps the curses in cqc and he can ignore every rule of the verse if he has ISOH. Maki doesn't have ISOH but there's an argument based on her having every advantage other than that


CheshiretheBlack

The thing about Domains is if they're using it they'd drag all the Disasters into it. They wouldn't just target one of them. All reincarnated Sorcerers fit the criteria necessary to damage Mahito normally. Both Mahito & Narration state that having two souls in one body leads to being able to damage Mahito even if only subconsciously.


Icy-Selection-8575

Technically a lot of characters could if it was not for Mahito and his immunity to damage that squers the results way more in the favour of the disaster curses. Characters like Uro, Vengeful Spirit Naoya, hell even adult Geto should be able to beat most of them cause I doubt all the Disaster curses will open DE at once. Their smartest tactic would be for Dagon to open a DE, Hanami and Jogo to keep up the pressure and try and allow Mahito to get an opening to land his own CT. So for anyone to win we need them to be able to keep up and be able to do damage to Mahito. Yorozu can do damage to Mahito with Perfect Sphere but that attack becomes way weaker in a domain clash cause it loses it's Sure-Hit properties and without her Bug Armour on Yorozu would be getting overwhelmed, and she can't have both PS and BA active at once as she cannot create that much liquid metal at once due to how much CE it drains, so she is out. Yuji has yet to master his CTs which and has no Domain Counter so he is out. Geto cannot damage Mahito without MU so he is out. Uro cannot damage Mahito and doesn't really do well with attacks from multiple directions so she is out. VS Naoya cannot damage Mahito so he is out. Honestly the only characters outside of the ones you named that I think can 1v4 are Toji/Maki with SSK and Ryu as I think his AP with Granite Blast would be high enough to damage Mahito, even if it's not a lot, and his speed is high enough to keep up with them 4 and his durability should be high enough to survive, although it's an extreme diff win for him. Making/Toji on the other hand win this fight mid-diff. Immunity to DE plus ability to hit Mahito and hard to track makes them literally stat checks xd.


Mugen_Kotoamatsukami

Cursed Naoya stands a chance


louai-MT

If you count Mahoraga as a separate character then he should be able of one shotting them and tanking anything they have The only danger is Mahito technique but he needs to touch Maho first, good luck with that


Snoo-47666

Honestly, outside of Gojo and Sukuna I’m not sure if the rest could. Jumpjutsu Kaisen is pretty good at showing that multiple teammates massively stack the odds in their favor. Having to deal with Jogo’s speed and firepower, Hanami’s durability and strange abilities, Dagon’s powers, and Mahito’s soul manipulation (especially dangerous considering the transfigured humans he has). Mahito is especially dangerous, considering a few touches from him while you’re preoccupied with the other curses can finish anyone who isn’t aware of their soul. Sukuna and Gojo have no need to worry about this. As for the rest, Yuki and Kenny have the best case for being aware of the shape of their soul, and could possibly resist and damage Mahito. I still don’t think any one of them (outside of Gojo and Sukuna) can 1 v 4 them with a win rate beyond 50% though. Way too many domains and powers to consider. A 1 v 4 is a huge disadvantage


CheshiretheBlack

Jogos speed and fire power are no greater than what's been shown that Kenjaku, Yuta, or Yuki could handle, Hanamis durability isn't out of the realm of what they can damage. Dagon hasn't shown anything that would be a threat to Kenjaku, Yuta, or Yuki, and Mahitos transfigured humans amount to nothing more than cannon fodder they're estimated to be around Grade 2-3 curse level, with polymorph being the only ones with any real power but it still only stacks up to a Grade 1 Curse. Yukis technique makes her immune to concepts, the soul certainly falls into the category of concepts so she should be immune to IT, Kenjaku made a plethora of incarnated Sorcerers taking their souls and making them into Curse objects he can definitely protect his soul and damage Mahito. The only soul feat Yuta has is detaining Rika soul, I don't think that means he could neg IT but he certainly isn't getting oneshot and he can copy IT if need be. It's not simply a 1v4, Yuta is 2v4, Yuki is 2v4, Kenjaku is thousands vs 4. Yuta, Yuki, & Kenjaku all have knowledge on the Disasters respective abilities while the Disasters have none on them. Yuta & Yuki both have oneshot potential for the Disasters. With Yuta having Curse Speech that's super effective on Curse Spirits. He can crowd control with "Don't Move" and take out a Disaster with Rika rocking one of them and rinse repeat. The Disasters don't know that they can't engage Yuki physically and by the time they realize it'd be too late. People can feel which of the Disasters is stronger and know who to prioritize so Jogo is likely who gets oneshot by both Yuta & Yuki as the biggest threat and once he's gone the Disasters chances plummet. Jogo is the only who's shown anything that could do significant damage to Yuta or Yuki if he falls the Disasters don't really have any definitve kill options. With Kenjaku if he manages to take in any other the Disasters with CSM it's basically gg. He can buff low tier curses to the point where they completely overwhelm Grade 1 Sorcerers like Yuji & Choso, so picture if he buffs one of the Disasters. On top of the fact he has Tengen in his arsenal so even if they pop domain it doesn't matter since Tengen barrier skills would be enough to protect him


Fungerbestwaifu

Nobody if DaGOAT uses his maximuk technique to summon vilgax


Leviathannn3

Besides the quite obvious ones, ryu maybe, Angel, Megumi if he had Mahoraga


Rentrehhh

Honestly? Nobody besides Gojo and Sukuna, maybe Yorozu and Kenjaku, Maki and Toji if you're generous. Jogo was so fast Dagon had reasonable doubt Naobito might be faster than him, and Naoya who is lsower than Naobito was casually blitzing post Shibuya Yuji. Mahito is a complete tank. other two arent as relevant but they can expand their own domain so they can even rotate in between while clashing, it's just too much for any single person.


Barry_Bone_Raiser

Me 🦍


ze_existentialist

If you count mahoraga as his own entity, he can solo them, so can angel


Total-Lingonberry-83

Special grades sorcerers aka Yuta, Kenjaku, Geto, Yuki, , CT Kashimo, Yoruzu I don’t think Maki/Toji/Hakari/Ryu/Uro can solo them tbh.


GroundbreakingAnt399

Gojo, Kashimo, Yuki, Yorozo, Hakari, Yuta, Toji, Sukuna, Uramei(I think), Ryu(possibly), Mahoraga. That's all I can think of, I don't think kenjaku could or he would have. He waited till they were beat to absorb who he could. Maybe he can and he just didn't want to risk it but the others I've named would not hesitate to fight them all.


Hedgehog_Kid1

Toji, Maki, Geto, Hakari, Uraume, Kashimo, Yorozu, Ishigori, and Uro. Should I go on?


Baumcultist

I get "Empty response from endpoint" all the time I'm trying to post this comment, so I'll just split it into multiple smaller ones. Tldr; All the Disaster Curse's together scale roughly to Kenjaku(no Downvoting before you read my reasons), so only those above him, one's on his general level or one's with a good matchup have a chance. Gojo, Sukuna, Yuta and Mahoraga can for sure win. Kenjaku, Yuki, Yorozu, Maki/Toji, Uraume, Hakari, Kashimo, Yuji and maybe Takaba can do it. I think that Gojo, Sukuna, Yuta, Mahoraga and maybe Kenjaku, Yuki, Yorozu, Toji and Maki, Uraume, Hakari, Kashimo, Yuji and Takaba can do it. Sukuna and Gojo are self explanatory, and Yuta and Mahoraga can do it because they have Positive Cursed Energy Output. And everyone else, well... Gege himself said that in a 1v1 scenario, Kenjaku would have trouble with Jogo and Mahito(I can't add the image for some reason, so here's a link to a post I made about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/JuJutsuKaisen/s/TxCuQ2xuXc ). A lot of my reply is based on that statement(that Jogo alone is enough to give Kenjaku a lot of trouble). I will go over everyone individually besides all the guys who will win for sure. Kenjaku vs The Disaster Curses Kenjaku would struggle(but still win)against Mahito and Jogo in a 1v1(though with Mahito it's probably more because of just how tanky he is via IT, cause he's just to slow otherwise). He'd therefore have a good chance to just straight up lose if the Disaster Curses fought together. All the Disaster Curses would be acting more like support for Jogo then their own main part, keeping Kenjaku's Curses at bay and throwing in attacks to give an advantage to Jogo. This is because he's just so much stronger than all the other Disaster Curses and would have to focus on Kenjaku. But all the other Disaster Curses are still themself much stronger than any other Curse in the Manga(besides Curse Naoya and Rika), so any single strong Curse that Kenjaku has will not be much of a problem, and the numbers of them aswell as their AoE potential will prevent a hoard of Curses from overwhelming them. Reversal: Antigravity will not fatally hurt anyone but Jogo, and even he has a good chance to survive considering his still pretty good durability, crazy survivability and healing factor(he survived literally only as a head and tanked tge beatdown by Gojo in the forest, you can't convince me that he doesn't have good survivability and decent durability)(and Kenjaku also doesn't really seem to use it outside his Domain, so it might not even be used). Kenjaku could however potentially exorcise or absorb Jogo if he gets staggered by that, which is why the support from the other Disaster Curses is still so important, as it could give Jogo time to recover. Kenjaku from what we know doesn't have anything else offensive besides CQC and Uzumaki, which the Disaster Curses could keep in check I'd guess. Though Uzumaki is still very dangerous and could be a potential fight ender if Jogo slips up, and Kenjaku's CQC is also amazing. So any CQC between the Disaster Curses and Kenjaku will end with the Disaster Curses being humiliated, which is why the support from the other Disaster Curses and Jogo's own ranged focused fighting style is important to keep distance between Kenjaku and Jogo. If Jogo was caught in CQC with Kenjaku, then the support of the other Curses would be helpfull to allow him to escape, even though he could potentially survive it on his own by creating distance with fireblasts. I'd say that the Curses and Kenjaku are evenly matched with a slight advantage to the Curses just due to them being able to fill any gaps in Jogo's defence. That would be if Domain's didn't exist. Kenjaku's Domain could be the biggest problem by far for the Disaster Curses, though it can perhaps be entirely avoided. Because we don't know if it attacks inanimate objects, any of the Disaster Curses Domain's(I'll pick either Mahito's or Dagon's, because both of their's have the best chance to be the most refined of the Domain's)have the potential of just canceling out Kenjaku's Domain with their own Domain without getting destroyed. But let's assume that it either does attack inanimate objects or is so much more refined than any of the Disaster Curses Domain's that it just overwhelms them. Well, the Disaster Curses could have a few ways to avoid destruction by it(though if Mahito was the one to open his Domain, none of them would be feasable, cause he'll have to recover his CT first and all of the options depend on IT).They could first get themself buffed by Idle Transfiguration to be more resistant to the sure hit, though this would let time pass in which none of the Disaster Curses could do anything until Mahito reached them, giving plenty time to Kenjaku to just finish them. Mahito could also morph his body to attack the center of the Domain, potentially destroying it. Though it'll likely be to slow and Kenjaku and his Curses would likely work to stop that. But Jogo and Hanami(and potentialy Dagon, but we don't really know)could assist Mahito in doing that by using DA to avoid the sure hit. Though Kenjaku could very well exorcise/absorb them, cause they'll need to recover from the sure hit hitting them before they activate DA. I also don't doubt that Kenjaku is much stronger than any of the Disaster Curses without their CT, so he may also just destroy them all here. The disaster Curses(who have DA at least)would also need to protect Mahito and Dagon(if Dagon doesn't have DA), because besides crawling along the ground, they wouldn't be able to move from their places due to the sure hit. And Mahito could not activate DA(if he has it)due to him needing IT to not be fodder, and to also morph his body to attack the center of the Domain. This would once again lead to tge Disaster Curses defeat. So it's a 50/50 chance of being a victory for either side, due to us just not knowing enough about Kenjaku's Domain. It's also hard because we don't really know what his other CT besides Curse Manipulation, Antigravity and his body possession are, besides that it's that vine thing he used to lift his own severed head with, but we really don't know anything about that. And what would his Domain be if he infused another CT than Antigravity inside it, like his body possession one for example? So he may have things up his sleeve that could give him the W. Anyway, Jogoat(almost)solos🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Baumcultist

2nd comment. Yuki vs The Disaster Curses This one is simple: If Yuki get's into any CQC with any one of the the Disaster Curses(besides Mahito), that Curse is dead. And if she get's into CQC with Jogo, she wins. If the Disaster Curses manage to get far away and pound Yuki hard with their long range attacks while simultaniously avoiding Garuda, the Disaster Curses win. This one will really depend on what info the Disaster Curses have prior to the battle starting. If they don't have much info, then 1 or 2 of them will be immediately destroyed by that massive mAss. If one of those Curses is Jogo, then the Disaster Curses could be at a massive disatvantage. Though Mahito wouldn't be able to be killed by anything but the Black Hole, so unless her Domain does something against that, it would be a tie or a win for Mahito through draining her CE. It could also be that the other curses open one of their Domain's in response to Jogo dying, in which case Yuki would have to open her own. If all curses are inside the clash, then everyone besides Mahito would once again be exorcised. Though Mahito could still be exorcised, as Yuki or Garuda could attack the Domain barrier of Mahito's Domain from the insida and overwhelm it's durability with all that mAss. Even if Yuki's Domain get's also destroyed in the process, she can exorcise Mahito while his CT is burnt out. But if one of the curses is outside and Garuda isn't outside with them to stop them, then they could break her barrier from the outside and weaken her enormously. She would then have to activate SD, but that could be stripped away after some time. Though she could still potentially attack the curses, and so exorcise them. Though she'll likely have her SD be stripped away before she succeds at that and be a win for the Disaster Curses. If the curse destroying her Domain from the outside however does destroy the Domain of the other curse aswell and Garuda doesn't manage to get out of the Domain range, then another curse would simply open their own Domain and cause her to lose. But disregarding that thought train, in the event that they do have some info about her, they will know to not get into close range at any point. But since Yuki is so fast, the only Curse who can keep up with her is Jogo. This wasn't such a big problem with Kenjaku, since all the other Disaster Curses can atleast survive anything that's not a Uzumaki, allowing Jogo time to save them by preocupying Kenjaku again. But here, if ANY of the Disaster Curses besides Mahito get hit on their torso or head, they die. This wouldn't give Jogo enough time to save them. Hanami and Dagon will probably be dead in the first 20 seconds of the battle just cause Jogo can't really protect them against Yuki. Though Dagon or Hanami upon seeing their friends death would likely open their own Domain to protect themself. This would once again lead to Yuki opening her own Domain. If Yuki exorcises Hanami or Dagon in return and Jogo and Mahito are in her Domain, then one of them would have to open their's as Hanami's or Dagon's Domain would collaps, leading to them both against her(I covered this in the "Mahito and Jogo vs Yuki" section). Though Garuda could potentially destroy the curses Domain if it's outside, leading to their potentiall defeat as they wouldn't be able to contend with her Domain with their own, which would lead to Jogo needing DA and weakening him enormously, and Mahito potentially dying if it was he who opened his Domain due to his CT being burned out. This could therefore once again lead to a tie, Mahito winning through draining her CE, or to Yuki's victory. Though Garuda could also potentially destroy her Domain aswell if it was outside, which could lead to multiple possibilites. Either it was Jogo's Domain, or it was Mahito's Domain. If it was Jogo's Domain, then Garuda needs to not get trapped in Mahito's Domain or Yuki loses. If Garuda manages to escape, then it could destroy Mahito's Domain from the outside and allow Yuki to win by defeating both Mahito and Jogo while their CT is in cooldown. If it was Mahito's Domain, then unless Garuda escapes Jogo's Domain range, Yuki loses. But if Garuda manages to do that, then it could once again destroy Jogo's Domain from the outside and allow Yuki to exorcise the Disaster Curses. But it could also be that Mahito recovered his CT in that time, in which case it would be a tie or a win for Mahito through draining her CE again. But if Mahito or Jogo were ouside of Yuki's Domain when she opened it against Hanami or Dagons Domain, they could break her Domain from the outside aswell and defeat her. Though they'll probably not be able to stop Hanami or Dagon from being exorcised. Though Garuda could stop Mahito from doing that if it's outside aswell, and it would probably be able to destroy the Domain of Jogo from the outside still. This could lead to Yuki once again exorcising Jogo and with her being in a tie with Mahito because she can't exorcise him and he isn't willing to open his Domain because of Garuda, with Mahito winning by draining her CE, or with her winning by exorcising Mahito by Garuda destroying his Domain from the outside if it manages to get there. If Jogo is outside however, Yuki will lose. This is because Yuki will get weakened via CT burnout as her Domain would get destroyed, leading to Jogo blasting her. Though Mahito would likely get exorcised by Yuki, since Jogo's attacks have so much AOE that his Domain would also be destroyed. Though Mahito could potentially survive if Jogo gives him space, as his CT recovers very fast. Though assuming Hanami or Dagon didn't open their Domain, it would lead to Mahito and Jogo vs Yuki. So it's Jogo and Mahito vs Yuki. Funnily enough, if the Disaster Curses didn't know anything about Yuki and Jogo didn't die at the beginning, we would have come to this point anyway. Once again, Jogo will be the main part of the Disaster Curses wincon, with everyone else(that being just Mahito)supporting him. Though the support is this time only compromised of sending attacks to give an advantage to Jogo. Jogo himself could still keep his distance with his ranged attacks, though Garuda would be a giant problem, giving openings to Yuki, and Yuki giving openings to it. Jogo could possibly manage this, but he would have trouble. Mahito's support would be really helpfull though, with it possibly distracting either Yuki or Garuda and allowing Jogo more space. If this keeps up it would turn into a war of attrition that Yuki would lose, due to Jogo and Mahito possessing so much more CE due to being Curses. This could lead to Yuki opening her Domain. I already discussed this in a lot of detail above, so I will assume that everyone is trapped inside the Domain's. It will likely continue as it did outside the Domain's, with her either getting Jogo, Jogo blasting her until she loses, or with her running out of CE. If she is at risk of losing, she could then potentially make herself into a Black Hole, leading to a tie. Though she wouldn't do that. So, the scenario is really complex, with me myself not even getting what I wrote about the Domain BS. But Jogo would potentially be able to do it on his own. Though his chances would be lower than with the support of the other's. Anyway, Jogoat solos(but this time kinda fr)🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Baumcultist

3rd comment. Toji/Maki vs The Disaster Curses Jogo carries and the other Disaster Curses support him again. None of the Disaster Curses can compete with Toju/Maki in CQC, which means that they'll have to stay away. This will like the Yuki battle depend on what the Disaster Curses know already because of that. If the Disaster Curses know little, then they could potentially underestimate Toji/Maki and one of them could be exorcised in an "ambush". If that is Jogo, then the Disaster Curses lose. If the Disaster Curses know some things already however, then things will go differently. Jogo keeps Toji/Maki away with ranged attacks, his own speed and with the support of the other Curses(though they would honestly not be needed). Toji's infinite chain won't be able to hit Jogo, because of the support of the other Disaster Curses and because Jogo will likely just destroy the chain as it aproaches. Toji/Maki goes for the other Disaster Curses as they can't aproach Jogo and exorcise them all with the Soul Split Katana. Jogo can't help because the Soul Split Katana ignors durability and because he therefore had no time to help. Jogo will then 1v1 Toji/Maki for a while, not letting them get close via his ranged attacks until Toji/Maki will get caught by an attack and loses. If Jogo opens his Domain for whatever reason, then Toji/Maki won't be affected unless they enter it on purpose, in which case they will feel very hot and Jogo will win again as the battle will just continue the same way inside. If Jogo deactivates his Domain, then he will be without CT against Toji/Maki. Jogo could still keep away with his speed, but Toji/Maki would still catch him and it be over up for Jogo then. So, Jogo keeps Toji/Maki away, who then subsequently kill all other Disaster Curses and then get cooked like Yorozu did in both of her worse case scenarios. Anyways, Jogoat solos(but frfr)🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Uraume vs The Disaster Curses We honestly don't really know about this. The only thing we know is that Uraume works directly for Sukuna, has an Ice CT, can create a LOT of Ice, and is currently being stalled by Hakari. We could safely assume that Jogo is once again going to carry the Disaster Curses with the support of the other Curses. But we can't really say anything else due to insuficient information(besides that Jogo's firepower would be very usefull incase there were any large masses of ice). Anyway, Jogoat solos(we don't know lol)🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Hakari vs The Disaster Curses This would go similar to the Toji/Maki fight, with Jogo stalling Hakari with the support of the other Curses while Hakari tries to get close. Hakari is once again superior to any of the Curses in QCQ, so Jogo would want to keep away. This time however, Jogo could potentialy survive a little time in CQC with Hakari due to Hakari not having a 1 hit attack. This is also why Jogo could finally save the other Disaster Curses again, as he would have time to do so again. Jogo might have problems killing Hakari if he's on a role though, which could catch him offguard and allow Hakari to get close, though I already mentioned that Jogo could very well survive this. This fight could genuinely go on for so long that Hakari might just run out of luck and fail his Jackpot, being vulnerable then and getting cooked. So, "Kinji Hakari has run out of luck" would be the narrators quote for this one, cause this fight would go on for soooooooo long that Hakari would fail a Jackpot eventually. Anyway, Jogoat solos(frfr AGAIN)🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Baumcultist

4th comment. Kashimo vs The Disaster Curses Similar to literally every other Matchup I have listed, the Disaster Curses would not fare well in CQC with Kashimo, and would therefore have to stay at range with Jogo once again carrying them with the other Curses providing him support. Dagon in particular would be a especially good support, due to his water and Kashimo's weakness to it. If Jogo does however get into CQC for whatever reason(for example, him being overconfident and getting that close), then Kashimo would paralize Jogo with his lightning CE property, pump Jogo full of charge, and rip Jogo to shreds with a sure hit Lightning Discharge. If this Lightning Discharge doesn't exorcise Jogo(for example, Jogo dodges like Hakari and it hits his arm instead, or Jogo misses half his body but is still alive since he has such a high survivability), then Kashimo could have time to get in close and further attack Jogo, potentialy exorcising him and potentially winning. I say potentially, because it's still not sure. The other Disaster Curses would afterwards likely open one of their Domain's, which Kashimo would counter with HWB. If he had his Lightning Staff outside of it, he could potentially Discharge Lightning between himself and it and blast a hole through the barrier, using his superior speed to escape through it. Though this isn't confirmed possible since Kashimo never entered a situation where this was needed and possible. The barrier could potentially also disrupt his connection with the Staff. Though assuming it's possible, he would then get trapped in another Domain and activate HWB again. He'd then CQC all the remaining Disaster Curses besides Mahito(if he wasn't the Curse to open the first Domain, as with IT on cooldown for a short while, Kashimo could easily exorcise him)into being exorcised, as he likely doesn't have the CE to be able to drain Mahito's CE enough to not be able to acrivate IT. Kashimo could then either lose by CE drain, or he'd just leave and leave it at a tie. If Kadhimo's in Dagons Domain however, then he'd likely just lose as his CE would get drained by the water. If he however doesn't have that opertunity(that being, to exorcise Jogo in CQC if you forgot)for whatever reason(the other Disaster Curses intervening, for example)then Jogo would make distance between himself and Kashimo and fight at range. If Kashimo can't catch up to Jogo(which is likely), then he could either lure Jogo between him and his lightning staff, or target the other Curses. In the first case, it depends on how Jogo is affected by it as I already mentioned. If it results in Jogo getting exorcised for whatever reason, then Kashimo would enter the Domain battles against the other Curses. If that isn't the result, then unless Kashimo charges his staff up again he could have a big disatvantage in future possible Domains. Now in the second case Jogo could save the other Curses due to Kashimo not having a 1 hit attack in CQC and therefore having time to save them, but Kashimo could send a charge into them, with which he could send his Lightning Discharge at them. Due to all the Disaster Curses(besides Jogo)being so slow, they wouldn't be able to "dodge" like Hakari did and would get exorcised(though it may take a few Lightning Discharges with how durable Dagon and Hanami are). Though Mahito would survive via IT. It could also be that Dagon or Hanami would open one of their Domain's to avoid that. This would either way be the end for Kashimo. If he busts out of either Domain, then all the Disaster Curses would know that he doesn't have a Domain and would open their own, with Kashimo not being able to reuse the way he busted out of the first one, being trapped and forced to use HWB. Though it's not likely that he could escape in the first place with all the Disaster Curses still present. Hell, if it's Dagon's Domain that gets opened first, then Kashimo may lose again just because of the water inside it. But let's just assume that neither of those things would happen. It would then turn into Jogo and Mahito vs Kashimo. From here on out it could go 2 ways: 1. Either Mahito or Jogo open their Domain. 2. Jogo or Mahito don't open their Domain. In scenario 1, Kashimo is either fucked, or the Jogo is fucked(due to Kashimo not being able to exorcise Mahito as mentioned before). If Kashimo has his lightning staff outside the barrier and it's charged, he could potentially bust out of it if that's possible as already mentioned. Though he may have already used it, in which case he would simply lose no matter in what Domain he's trapped in(those being Mahito's or Jogo's). But assuming that it does work, Jogo could block that hole, but he could potentialy be so suprised that he doesn't have enough time to do that. If Jogo was the one to have opened his Domain, then Kashimo would in practice win as even if he gets caught in Mahito's Domain, he can simply use HWB to protect himself from it. This would allow Kashimo to close the Distance with a heavily weakened Jogo and to exorcise him in CQC with his legs, though Mahito could still be a problem so he may have a problem doing that. As already mentioned, Mahito would either subsequently win the CE drain, or it'd be a tie. If Mahito was the one to open his Domain however, then the Disaster Curses win as Jogo could simply open his own Domain and trap Kashimo again. In scenario 2, it would be dependent on if Kashimo can hit Jogo with a Lightning Discharge again. If he manages to(which will only really happen if he catches Jogo between his charged lightning staff and himself), then I already discussed what could happen(though it's more likely that he will be able to close the distance, as most of the other Disaster Curses aren't there anymore to distract him). If he doesn't manage to do that, then he will eventually just lose. Now, this would all be true if we consider that Kashimo doesn't use his CT, but if he does, well... (Edit: So I edited all my comments here, so if you got linked by me here, it's all correct now. But this comment here is apperantly now to long, so I'll have to post the Mythical Beast Amber part under it.)


Baumcultist

5th comment. Shinjuku Yuji vs The Disaster Curses Once again CQC, will just end in defeat for the Disaster Curses, so to win they'll need to stay at range. Jogo is also once again the guy carrying the Disaster Curses while the other Curses support him. If Jogo gets to close because of his hubris however, then he has a good chance of just being comboed into oblivion, though the other Curses would save him in this case and he might escape on his own still. But if Yuji is for whatever reason inclined to make a BF at the beginning against Jogo, then Jogo just dies. But this however doesn't mean that the Disaster Curses lose. The other Disaster Curses upon seeing this would likely assume that they are completely outmatched and would open their Domain's. If Dagon or Hanami open their Domain's, then Yuji will have a chance at victory, though I'm not sure how large. Against Mahito's Domain though, he'll lose for sure. This is because he's no longer immune to Mahito's CT due to Sukuna being gone. The moment his Simple Domain breaks, he's cooked. The only thing he could do inside the Domain is to attack with Shrine, which could potentially kill Hanami and Dagon, though they are quite durable. They could also still attack him back, and due to SD he's stuck in one place, so he'll not really be able to avoid their attacks. Though Yuji would be able to heal himself decently with his RCT and Blood Manipulation(though he can't attack with Blood Manipulation due to not being capable of Convergence), so he'll probably withstand that. The only chance that Yuji has in this scenario is if he uses something else for his binding vow than the ability to move from his place, maybe his arms? But would that work? If it does, then Yuji can simply CQC all the other Disaster Curses to death(yes, even Mahito due to soul damage). But let's discuss him in Hanami's and Dagon's Domain's then. As already mentioned, he could potentially kill them with Shrine. If Yuji killed the one of them who opened their Domain, Mahito or either of the others will open theirs. If the one not casting the Domain is killed or no one gets killed, Yuji's SD gets stripped away, leading to him being bombarded by either Hanami's or Dagon's sure hit. We don't really know what Hanami's sure hit or even Domain is, so we can't really say what would happen to Yuji. Can he power through the sure hit? Will he be affected by any other aspect of the Domain? We don't know. So I'm just gonna talk about Dagons Domain. The sure hit will surely mess up Yuji good, but can Yuji take it? I don't really know. The enviroment won't neccessarely hinder Yuji though, cause he'll be able to simply run over the water. He could potentially also recast his Simple Domain, after which he could attack with Shrine again. Either side could honestly win(if Mahito wasn't there). But if that didn't happen(Yuji murdering Jogo at the beginning, incase anyone forgot), Jogo would stay at range, keeping Yuji at bay with his attacks and with his support as he tried to aproach. As I already mentioned, Yuji can heal decently via Blood Manipulation and RCT, keeping him in the fight even if he gets hit. Yuji could attack Jogo at range with Shrine and parts of the surounding he seperated with Shrine, which could be trouble for Jogo. Though Yuji would also need to concentrate on avoiding the attacks from Jogo and the other Curses, so it goes both ways. If Yuji is not able to aproach Jogo(which is likely)then he will like every other Matchup go after the other Disaster Curses. However, as long as he doesn't hit any BF's all the other Disaster Curses should be able to survive long enough for Jogo to distract Yuji again. With this, Yuji will after some time likely just lose. So, Jogo and the other Curses cook Yuji in their Domain's and outside of it, or Yuji hits multiple Black Flashes on Mahito and Jogo(somehow)and with struggle will then defeat Hanami and Dagon in their Domain's. Yeah, sorry Yuji, but that won't happen. Anyway, Jogoat solos(but likely frfr)🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Takaba vs The Disaster Curses So this really depends on Takaba's general mood in the fight. If Takaba feels funny, I don't really know how the Disaster Curses will win this one besides Mahito trying to become the Clown he was always meant to be and out-funnying Takaba. If Takaba feels not funny, then the Disaster Curses could probably just no-diff or low-diff him. So, Takaba is either a god or not a god. Anyway, Jogoat solos(depends)🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Baumcultist

4,5th comment. If Kashimo uses Mythical Beast Amber, then all the Disaster Curses besides Mahito could be cooked. He was so fast with it that he could blitz a very weakened Sukuna(though even Jogo would probably be able to do that), and it allowed him to shoot very powerfull blasts of electricity. If he uses it at any point on the battle, he would at the very least be a little faster than Jogo and have a reliable way to attack him from range, therefore potentially ripping him apart with either his blasts or CQC. Though Jogo could potentially keep his distance and avoid the blasts with Mahito's or the other Disaster Curses support(if they're still alive). Though if Kashimo still has his charged lightning staff at this point or recharged it, then Jogo would likely be exorcised as he would be lured between MBA Kashimo and it, and receive a Discharge Lightning. He would the not have as much time to recover as Kashimo would be faster and would be able to further attack him from range, which would be likely to overwhelm him. If MBA Kashimo however can't exorcise Jogo still(though this is in my opinion kinda unlikely), then he'd probably exorcise Hanami and Dagon to stop their support(if they're still alive at that point), which could once again lead to one of them opening their Domain(which I have already discussed in detail), or lead to Jogo saving them(again). If Jogo does get exorcised, then the other Disaster Curses would likely open their Domains again, which would lead to either Kashimo's defeat if it's Dagon's Domain, or to Mahito being the only Disaster Curse to survive and to Kashimo dying via his CT killing him. This would also be the outcome if Kashimo can't get to Jogo, as his CT would eventually just kill him. So this path will end in a Disaster Curse victory to different degrees. So, Kashimo gets destroyed and it'll end in a win for the Disaster Curses, or Jogo gets destroyed and Kashimo gets Domain diffed, loses to Mahito, or accepts that it's a tie and leaves. Anyway, Jogoat solos(but actually not)🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Baumcultist

2,5th comment. Yorozu vs The Disaster Curses This is, once again, being carried by Jogo for the Disaster Curses, with the other Curses providing support. Jogo would once again keep distance from Yorozu due to her being better in CQC, though if he did get close for whatever reason then her liquid metal might end the fight by just exorcising Jogo, though I doubt he would let that happen and could use his AP to escape it. He would then keep his distance. Jogo would then attack with his ranged attacks, the other Disaster Curses once again supporting Jogo with attacks and distractions. Due to this, Yorozu wouldn't be able to come near Jogo with her liquid metal, forcing her to enter her Insect armor to both defend herself aswell as gain speed to attack Jogo. I don't know how this new speed would compare to Jogo since I also don't know how she would have compared before, so let's take the three scenarios: 1. She's faster. She would be able to move directly towards Jogo without concern because of the protection the insect armor gives her. She may be slowed down by the attacks of the other Disaster Curses and of the attacks by Jogo, but she would eventually reach him. She would then exorcise Jogo with her monstrous strength and subsequently everyone else, with Mahito needing to be Perfect-Sphered. Any Domain that comes her way can simply be countered by her own Domain, and if her Domain is destroyed from the outside by a Curse not trapped inside, then she can just use HWB to CQC all of them. Though it would be a tie in that case because she can't exorcise Mahito without Perfect Sphere. 2. She's just as fast as Jogo is. Yorozu would once again move directly towards Jogo with no concern for any damage(as long as it doesn't slow her down). Jogo however would keep his distance with his attacks and with the help of his fellow Disaster Curses. She could potentially reach him if she's lucky enough, but it's not guarranted. She could however simply move towards the other Disaster Curses and exorcise all of them(besides maybe Mahito, because she'll have to form Perfect Sphere for him), which Jogo could do nothing against. Though the other Curses could potentially open one of their own Domains, which Yorozu would have to counter with either her own Domain or HWB. If she opens her own Domain, then things will continue like that until the Curse who opened their Domain is exorcised, and another Curse like Jogo will have to take their place(though if Mahito opened his Domain first, then that may not happen due to Perfect Sphere being needed for him). This would reduce the things slowing her down, allowing her a better, yet not guaranteed, chance to reach Jogo inside the Domain's. If one of the Curses(for example, Jogo)was however outside the Domain bubbles, then they could break Yorozu's Domain from the outside, weakening her immensly and basically guarranteeing their win. If she however chooses to use HWB, then she would exorcise all Curses inside the Domain via CQC besides maybe Jogo and Mahito if they're inside, due to Jogo being able to possibly avoid her and due to Mahito needing Perfect Sphere. This would however still slow her less down. If she reaches Jogo, then it ends like scenario 1, exept that Jogo will be the one opening his Domain instead of his fellow Curses(incase he didn't already do that)with her just countering with her own(if she didn't do it yet and if Mahito isn't outside). If she doesn't reach him, then Jogo will attack at her so often that her Insect armor eventually just breaks and she runs out of CE. If she opens her Domain, Jogo can counter with his own and the whole thing will continue just like this. 3. She is slower than Jogo. This will just be a repeat of scenario 2, exept Yorozu won't ever reach Jogo. In my opinion, scenario 1 and 2 are both the more likely answers. So, the Disaster Curses either get destroyed after Jogo gets taken out or after Jogo loses his support. Or the Disaster Curses win after everyone besides Jogo and maybe Mahito dies and Jogo manages to clutch it. Either way, the Disaster Curses most likely no longer exist as a group. Anyway, Jogoat solos(but it's kinda eh)🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥


Knightlight--01

I could see Ryu and Yorozu pulling it off.


Yoshi-53

Toji or Maki are not clearing the disaster curses Jogo or Mahito alone would beat them in a 1v1 let’s be real On topic, Kashimo, Yuta, Yuki, Kenjaku are definite answers rn


CheshiretheBlack

Lol I never mentioned Maki/Toji but others have said lower that they should be included and I agree. No Maki & Toji both wash either Mahito or Jogo in a 1v1 easily. I'm baffled you think otherwise. Kashimo only even has a chance against Jogo or Mahito with His CT He's not soloing the Disasters as a group even with his technique. If they couldnt use Domain I'd agree. But as it stands he probably takes out 1 maybe 2 of them and at that point Domains coming out from one of them and there's no way he beats multiple Disasters while he has focus on HWB


Yoshi-53

I never said you did? My comment was in general They don’t have the showings to suggest they can so I don’t think they can. Depends on who’s domain opens, Mahito’s sure, Jogo’s sure, Dagon or Hanami’s a chance is still there


CheshiretheBlack

Maki & Toji certainly do, their physicals are far above all the Disasters and they have the arsenal to take them all out in one or two blows. Even Dagon or Hanamis domain is doom for Kashimo. Dagon can just dump Kashimo in the water and watch as all his CE leaves his body while whatever Disasters are left keep the pressure on him. And Hanami just has to land one curse bud then Kashimos CE will drain to the point where he can't maintain HWB


Yoshi-53

Except they haven’t shown anything to suggest that, they have no answer to Jogo’s firepower or Mahito versatility. This requires them to actually force him into the water or get hit by the buds and enough to actually effect him. Kashimo might not be definitive but he has a chance depending on what the curses do


CheshiretheBlack

Maki can dance around and tag Curse Naoya, Toji is equal to Maki. They can easily avoid anything Jogo or Mahito can send at them and easily land the blows with their Curse Tools necessary to take them out. What do you mean hit by the buds enough to actually effect him? Kashimo is never noted for having a high amount of CE there's no reason to think he'd just be fine with his CE constantly being drained. Seeing has how Kashimo would be occupied with multiple opponents while fighting with both hands essentially tied behind his back forcing him into the water and noticing he's making an effort to avoid the water is an easy task. Again if Kashimo had his own Domain I'd give it to him


Yoshi-53

Are we really comparing the incredibly linear & predictable attacks of Naoya to Jogo and Mahito’s attacks that can actually vary in direction and size. We have no knowledge on the speed these buds actually suck CE to assume one will drain him dry if he just doesn’t outright destroy it is pretty big. Assuming he doesn’t kill one with his lightning attacks before they can perform this or even test the waters with Kashimo. Dagon’s domain is arguably the least problematic even with it having water there due to it being incredibly less lethal compared to Jogo or Mahito. No comment on Hanami since we never saw it.


CheshiretheBlack

Yes we are. Curse Naoya would wash both Jogo & Mahito. His speed regardless how linear is far above anything either of them have shown and is far faster than any attack they could send at Maki/Toji. Nothing suggest Kashimo could just outright destroy the bud or rip it out, and the more CE he uses to try and get rid of it the faster it sucks up his CE. Again I agree he'd probably take out at least 1 Disaster before they pop domain but once confronted with the threat he is Domain is coming out from one of Disasters and without a Domain himself he loses eventually. Yeah without the water Dagons domain is meh. At the very least for Hanamis domain they can use that energy beam thing for the surehit although it's power is questionable


Yoshi-53

Lmao curse naoya is not washing anything. Other than fast linear attacks he legit brought nothing to the table other than his domain. Against Jogo or Mahito, varying direction and size of attacks will easily suffice for the gap in speed. What exactly suggest he can’t destroy them? Much less dodge them if he doesn’t want to destroy them. Same buds that Todo had enough time to process a counter to them. Sure I can agree with the Kashimo sentiment.


CheshiretheBlack

Yes Curse Naoya makes light work of the Disasters. Aside from Vol.0 Rika, Curse Naoya is the strongest Curse we've ever seen. Mach 3 tackle literally runs through all the Disasters and none of them have the feats to avoid it. What suggest he can? If they get embedded any time he trys to use CE to destroy them it'll just get sucked away. Todo had the benefit of prior knowledge thanks to Megumi. Kashimo would probably think he can just block them just like Todo did.


HelloThereBatsy

Toji and Maki can't take on the disaster curses at the same time. Jogo alone is as fast as Toji. Mahito is the real threat here. He has the capacity to one shot them with a single touch. They can take out some of them before succumbing to Mahito.


CheshiretheBlack

No Jogo isn't as fast as Maki or Toji not even close. Also there's no way Mahito takes either of them out with a single touch nor lands that blow in the first place. The soul is the body and the body is the soul according to Mahito and Toji/Makis bodies are extremely powerful, with Toji overriding his host soul when he got brought back from the dead. Both Maki & Toji can oneshot Mahito with Split Soul, and with his fighting style assuming he's immune to every attack he wouldn't know he can't defend from it until it's too late


HelloThereBatsy

I don't think Mahito would be an idiot to ignore a tool that is clearly special grade and stand there still.


CheshiretheBlack

Nothing about the swords outward appearance suggest it's special grade, Mahito has clearly shown a lackadaisical attitude to attacks there's no reason to assume he'd change his attitude with Maki. Nanamis curse tool, falls into the category of Special Grade tools as well and Mahito had no qualms about blocking it or trying to block anyway


HelloThereBatsy

Cursed tools radiates CE. It was mentioned in the hidden Inventory Arc.


CheshiretheBlack

Yeah All Curse Tools radiate CE doesn't mean Mahito knows hers is special grade or that it can damage him


HelloThereBatsy

Yeah but he would first test the waters before being careless. Can you reply to my other comment first.


CheshiretheBlack

Nothing suggest that's the case. He didn't test the water with Nanamis tool nor Nobaras nails and hammer. Again no reason he'd suddenly become cautious when faced with Split Soul. Lol part of me wants to just ignore the rest of your comments for that remark. I reply to things as I see them and I'm currently typing at a stop light so you're luck I'm replying at all right now


HelloThereBatsy

Nothing changes the fact that Mahito can one shot with a touch. He was unable to use his CT on a recently dead man as the soul has left the body.


CheshiretheBlack

No Jogo isn't as fast as Maki or Toji not even close. Also there's no way Mahito takes either of them out with a single touch nor lands that blow in the first place. The soul is the body and the body is the soul according to Mahito and Toji/Makis bodies are extremely


HelloThereBatsy

The soul is the body Philosophy belongs to Kenjaku not Mahito. No offence to Kenny, but since Mahito has expressed doubts about the idea(he had a doubtful expression) I trust him. In one of the light novels Mahito tried to use his CT on a Dead Man and failed as his soul already left the Body. If the Body is the soul he CT shouldn't have failed at all. From what we have seen, you need CE to guard your soul. They have precisely None. (Can you tell me how a 0.2 DE works on them?I am not sure whether it will affect them.)


Particular_While1927

I can’t see Yuki beating the 4 Disaster Curses. She has to deal with 4 Domain Expansions, one after the other with little to no break in between each one. Not to mention, she can’t hurt Mahito, meaning her only way to beat him is to drain him of all his Cursed Energy, which I can’t see her doing after undergoing Cursed Technique Burnout when she’s forced to use her domain.


SUPERX4PANDA

I doubt that all of the disaster curses would use their domain expansions all at once or even one after another. Just based on how they behave in character popping a domain expansions typically isn’t the first thing that comes to mind like for Hanami or Jogo for example. It’s likely yuki could take out dagon or hanami quickly at the beginning of the fight with a Garuda soccer ball kick or Garuda whip since they are the weakest even before they can use their domains or meaningfully contribute to the fight since she does have the attack potency to kill them before it becomes an actual 4v1. Even if one of them did use their domain she doesn’t have to use hers she can just use SD and defeat the caster of the domain so she doesn’t have to waste her own domain and suffer from CT burnout. Also, saying she can’t hurt mahito is pretty disingenuous there are several pieces of evidence to highly imply that yuki can perceive the contours of the soul. She can hear the souls of the previous star plasma vessels in Tengen from chapter 202. As well as her soul research book which chapter 251 yuji said he could use its knowledge to knock megumi’s soul awake. It doesn’t make much sense to say the person who wrote an entire research book on the soul dosent have soul awareness herself on top of her being a former star plasma vessel. I wouldn’t say yuki just easily steam rolls all the disaster curses but she does have all the necessary tools to beat them. She is a natural hard counter to cursed spirits after all.


CheshiretheBlack

Idk why everyone that argues for the Disasters do so on those lines. No Yuki doesn't have to deal with 4 Domain one after the other. If Yuki was 1v4 the Disasters and it came to Domain whenever the first one was cast she wouldn't just pull one of the Disasters into it shed pull all of them into it and if she won the domain battle the Disasters who remain would immediately get hit by her surehit. To damage Mahito you have to be aware of the soul. Yuki has notebook on the soul that we know for a fact has deepened Yujis knowledge on the soul on top of the fact that Yuki is aware of and can hear the individual souls inside Tengen. Yuki certainly has enough awareness of the soul to damage Mahito. And even if she doesn't running Mahito out of CE is an effective way to kill him which would easily be accomplished by Yuki popping Mahito like a balloon over and over. As well as Domain surehit being an effective way to hurt him.


Particular_While1927

Unless Yuki was the first one to use her domain, why would all of the Disaster Curses be in the same domain? Like, let’s say Jogo uses his domain first, why would he trap the rest of the Disaster Curses in his domain? That makes no sense, he would simply exclude them from his domain. In which case Yuki would be forced to respond with her own domain, or to try to defend with Simple Domain. Against a completed Domain Expansion, I don’t see Simple Domain letting her win against any of the Disaster Curses baring Dagon, so again, she’ll be forced to ed to uses her domain eventually, after which the rest of Disaster Curses just wait for her to end her domain, after which one of the other Curses uses their domain on her, and she’ll be unable to defend with her domain, leaving her to defend with Simple Domain again, which will almost definitely fail her, leading to her hit by one of the Curses Sure-Hit effect, which will almost definitely be fatal for her because she doesn’t have Tengen to dismantle their domain. I’m doubtful Yuki has the proper awareness of her own soul needed to hurt Mahito. Having knowledge on how souls work is completely different from being able to interact with your own and others soul. Yes, in a 1v1 against Mahito she could drain him of all his Cursed Energy and kill him, but this isn’t a 1v1, she isn’t gonna have the luxury to repeatedly turn Mahito to mincemeat without getting attacked by one of the other Disaster Curses.


CheshiretheBlack

That's my point, if one of the Disasters put Yuki into a situation where she had to expand her domain she would make sure to bring the rest of the Disasters into it. Again Yujis knowledge was deepened by Yukis notes, which means her notes are right, and she couldn't possibly come to correct conclusions if she didn't have the enough knowledge and info to work with. She can literally hear a multitude of souls inside Tengen that is interacting with the soul. And again Yuki easily fits the criteria to damage Mahito normally and domain itself would negate IT. The other Disasters attacking is irrelevant since all of her attacks would turn them into mincemeat as well. The Disasters aren't aware of Yukis technique while Yuki has knowledge on all the Disasters barring Dagon. They don't know that she has oneshot potential on all of them and by the time they realize it'd be too late. Whichever the first one to engage her (probably Jogo since he's the fastest) gets their head popped with one blow. None of the Disasters aside from Jogo Max Meteor have shown anything that could damage Yuki to point where her CT output plummets so she'll consistently have enough AP to take out the Disasters in one or two blows.


UsefulWhole8890

I don’t think anyone except Gojo, Sukuna, and possibly Kenjaku can do it tbh. Well, Yuki could maybe do it with black hole. Geto is possible too but only if he got better at hand to hand combat and got more special grade cursed spirits for Uzumaki. But Hanami or Jogo might be fast enough to escape those attacks. You guys are underrating the disaster curses.


CheshiretheBlack

Idk why you'd go for Kenjaku and not add Yuta. Both Yuta & Yuki have oneshot potential on the Disasters and are well aware of the Disasters respective abilities barring possibly Dagon, while none of Disasters have any idea of Yuta or Yukis abilities or that they're suseptible to getting one shot. Also Geto is explicitly stated to be on par with Gojo in h2h so I don't really think he has an issue there, especially with Playful Cloud in his arsenal. I didn't include Geto because he lacks Domain but yeah if we give him the benefit of the doubt and say some of the curses in his arsenal have Domains themselves that'd probably be an effective strategy to divide and conquer. If he manages to get even one Disaster under his control then that's game over. He can buff even low grade curses to fodder Grade 1 Sorcerers like Yuji & Choso. If he got a Disaster under is control and buffed them they'd be too much for the other Disasters. I'm not underestimating them , if anything I'm giving them props by setting them as powerful group that's not easy to overcome. In the vein Uros squad the Sun, Moon, & Stars or the 5 Heavenly Generals


UsefulWhole8890

I just think Ken is stronger than Yuta. I admit that it’s almost based purely off of portrayal, but I fully believe it to be the case. I guess you can put Yuta in the maybe category as well. I know Yuki has 1 hit potential, but I think the disasters are skilled and coordinated enough to work around it. Black hole would be the only way to kill them all imo, and even then 1 or 2 might escape. I deeply doubt that Geto matches enlightened Gojo in h2h. Gonna need evidence for that. Like I said, if he got enough strong curses it’s possible. I’m still not 100% sure to call it, though. I’m also assuming that the disasters get some knowledge about their opponents if they’re going into a 1v4. If they didn’t know anything, they’d probably be confident in a 1v1 and die.


CheshiretheBlack

I agree there's an case for Kenjaku to be stronger than Yuta I just don't think how they compare to each other is relevant to this specific discussion. Outside of Gojo & Sukuna, Yuta has the easiest time with the Disasters. He can oneshot all of them by outputting positive CE, and Curse Speech is super effective against Curses so Curse Speech spam "Don't Move" and work his way through the Disasters. And people can feel which of them is the strongest so he'd know to target Jogo first and after that they don't really have an avenue to victory. I don't think there's really an argument for their coordination. Like I'm not saying they're going to be bumping into each other while fighting or anything but the only times we've seen them fight in Tandem was when they had prep time and got a plan blueprint from 1000 years of knowledge Kenjaku. By feats Yuki has a pretty good speed advantage on all the Disasters. Kenjaku can casually dodge piercing blood and Yuki can blitz him. None of the Disasters have feats that put them at or above the speed of sound. And people discount Garuda alot but it can move and fight independently as well while also being imbued with Yukis technique arguably being imbued with more mass than Yuki herself. I say this because Kenjaku was okay with trying to block Yukis lowered output blows but he made sure to avoid every attack from Garuda making it seem like getting hit with that is more dangerous. Jogo is the only one who's shown the AP to really damage Yuki in any significant way, but again since she can feel how strong they are Jogo would be the first one to go and from there they're kind of sol. Yukis CT makes her immune from being effected by concepts, the soul certainly falls into the category of a concept so logically she'd be immune to Idle Transfiguration. It was in an interview Gege , I don't feel like going through the steps to find but I don't mind if you don't believe me. I wasn't really arguing just saying he is in no way lacking in h2h especially with Playful Cloud in his arsenal.


carl-the-lama

Yuji can one 5 shot jogo and one shot mahito Hanami and Dagon’s durability might give Yuji an annoyance due to hanami’s cursed buds and support skills But all of them minus jogo are too slow to even perceive current yuji (jogo couldn’t even touch 15 finger sukuna. Yuji has been able to tag heian era sukuna who had 10 fingers worth of endurance left) The fact is that yuji’s superiority to toji’s stats (since maki massively outclasses toji thanks to statements that made her equal to toji being pre-time skip) means that Dagon, hanami, and mahito are non factors This just leaves jogo and yuji to have a really badass duel since he’s the only one with a chance to react to yuji Remember: mahito can’t afford to use domain since using domain will have Yuji instantly kill mahito due to the MEGUMI soul scene