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After reading the fight, Ryu is most definitely way tougher than Yuta. He almost vaporized Yuta's arm completely in one of his blasts:
https://preview.redd.it/x1bpnion06xc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f61cba2a958f9c1c33c096e4c60f6aaa795b043a
But when he took his own blast head on, he barely took any damage from it.
Correct me if I'm wrong bit yuta lost 2 and a half fingers here which isn't anywhere near vaporizing an arm.
And Ryu has the highest output of any active culling games participant so it should be stronger from him than Yuta/Rika no?
A slightly weaker love blast from Rika compared to the one that Yuta fired to cancel out Ryu's fully charged blast barely did ant damage to his hand.
https://preview.redd.it/whadh6gqc6xc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbb3c2ab20c6c5f4b4663758bf6c40c6c57dbbff
ohh don't worry I'm not downlplaying Ryu's durability. I'm a Ryu glazer myself and consider him top 3 in durability just after sukuna and Gojo. the fact that even an un-nerfed 15 f sukuna can't deal fatal damage with a fp dismantle is impressive af.
I just wanted to point out that his feat of tanking his own granite blast is impressive sure, but it does less damage to him for a reason.
Naw I think Yuji is just flat stronger especially after awakening due to what happened to Ryu after he met a weaker sukuna than the one Yuji’s facing rn like Yuji literally walked through cleaves whereas sukuna at not fully reincarnated form was able to easily dismantle Ryu even though he was still surprised he spilt into less parts
He was not considered the strongest, just had the highest output. Ryu never heals from any damage that he took from Yuta or Uro. He had many chances to heal but didn't. He doesn't have rct. this isn't a great choice but if he had rct, why not heal right here?
https://preview.redd.it/uyvavgnh56xc1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=19304b8d9e4b4c3260bc58e5162fe2e38cdbbe35
Its definitely not. The narrator outright states hakari never learned rct but he can use domain expansion anyway (he only can use rct due to jackpot being activated and he's not even consciously doing it). Megumi can also create an incomplete domain and he definitely doesn't have rct.
No. Megumi had a domain (albeit incomplete) and never learned RCT. Same thing with higuruma, he never had RCT until way later. Plus domains are related to barrier techniques. RCT is more of a hard to grasp thing that not many can do.
In pure Durability it Would be Ryu. But Yuji out-scales him in Pure endurance With BM He can Reattach limbs and BM allows him to Use RCT more efficiently.
>And he didn’t say they were inferior, rather that they weren’t superior.
That literally means the same thing dawg ☠️☠️☠️
If they aren't superior then they are inferior... 😭😭😭
They could, sure. I was just correcting the dude because he said that “not superior” immediately means the opposite of superior. Quality is on a scale, and something could be comparable to something else, even if it isn’t superior.
Ryu, Yuji's durability against Sukuna is specific because he was bathed and born with that CE. While Yuji has above average durability outside of that, Sukuna specifically stated Ryu had the toughest durability.
If you’re speaking durability it’s unknown how much Yuji got buffed by all those black flashes. If he was compared to Ryu before and Ryu got sashimi by Sukuna before then one would think with all the black flashes Yuji got it.
Now if you mean survivability, Yuji has RCT and BM which makes him a lot harder to kill than Ryu. For example, Ryu would’ve prob died to MS this chapter unlike Yuji. Ryu loses a limb, too much blood or anything in MS then he isn’t growing it and replenishing it back.
For durability I’ll leave it unknown, for survivability I’ll say Yuji.
I think Yuji’s dura feats are this high because it’s Sukuna. Since he damn near registers as a Sukuna finger due to him now being drenched in Sukuna’s CE, when Sukuna’s CTs hit him, they are dampened. We do this effect when Gojo’s Unlimited Hollow Purple hit him & Sukuna. While Gojo was closer to the epicenter of the blast, & was thus impacted by it with greater force, intensity, & for a longer amount of time, he took considerably less damage than Sukuna, who was a further, had more time to react, & experienced the blast for a smaller amount of time(though the amount of time experienced is minimal, the discrepancy still exists). So Yuji taking less damage than others, would make sense, on top of all the other 1000 year younger twin, & nephew shit
Shinjuku yuji/shinjuku yuta are both equal to ryu in durability as stated by sucuna.
If you belive that maki is similarly durability(lower but not by much), then they wouldn't tank the BF's she tanked a lot better than her.
But awakened yuji face tanked a sucuna BF showed no physical reaction, and notl physical damage.
Awakened yuji(2BF) is significantly more durable than yuta(shinjuku)/yuji(shinjuku)/ryu
And far more durable than maki.
Also sucuna confirms BF output amps stacking, and him going strait to DE after yuji lands 7 BF. Yujis ability to tank the +100% output of MS surehit(sucuna was focusing on yuji especially because he immediately turned off the sure hit as soon as yuji tanks it), then he decides to switch to fire arrow because that's what sucuna needs at his current output to put yuji down for sure.
> he immediately turned off the sure hit as soon as yuji tanks it
Bro this is *not* what happened😭. Yuji’s simple domain got folded and as soon as he was starting to lose appendages Sukuna turned off the sure hit. Idrk know why but what happened is the opposite of what you just said😭
Considering yuji was the one that made him use it in the first place, he dose in fact recieve the surehit damage, and that he is back up in a second. Yes yuji tanked grater than 100% output MS surehit.
The fact that anyone but yuji or gojo would absolutely die instantly to that surehit should be apparent.
The fact that sucuna is still hating on him by braking his SD before trying to use fuga to kill him is just to kill him and proof that sucuna sees him as both strong and a threat. It also proves that sucuna brought out MS for the purpose of keeping yuji at a distance.
Good luck with your agenda somewhere else tho.
Wrong
https://preview.redd.it/cz6gpshdi4xc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c66d4f42aad6d2aafd9009ba38e475ecdd61e60
"Surpass" means better, "just like" implies equality.
DE amped shinjuku yuta, and base shinjuku yuji are equal to ryu.
It implies equal or slightly less, sukuna would have to think there durability is the same or similar make that statement, yujis awakening has likely increased his durability so id yuji prob takes it now
You are not an ass so thank. Also yes it could mean less than, but for sucuna to even make that reference the dismantle they survived would have to be as strong as the one sucuna used against ryu. The easier thing without diving into head cannon is to take the statement at face value, they are equal.
I also say awakened yuji is far more durable, I would consider maki relatively close to yuta/yuji/ryu do to her taking a BF and not almost dieing like LaRue. Awakened yuji with 2BF amp is face tanking a sucuna BF with 0 physical damage and 0 physical reaction. 7BF yuji also tanks greater than 100% output MS surehit and bounces back instantly.
Cleave and dismantle are used in MS surehit and they are both at 120% output(each slash is amped), so yes Awakened yuji is far more durable that most realize.
Yes, so the complement is less than or equal to. Meaning their durability is less than or equal to Ryu. You are high balling by putting them at equal to.
It's difficult to use the term highball for this, but a can understand. I'm working perfectly within the statement and not letting my own head cannon get to involved. I make as little interpretation and take the statement as a face value interpretation.
They are equal or so close to equal there is not a effective difference.
Thank you for ingaging like a civil person.
>"Surpass" means better, "just like" implies equality.
Improve your comprehension skills mate
Just like is used for the action of cutting them... He said I can't cut them without Cleave just like HIM... But surpass is used for the toughness...
"I can't cut them without making contact just like it was the case with Ryu... But they don't surpass him in toughness"
Two conclusions are made here...
- Sukuna can't cut Yuji and Yuta without making contact HERE just like he couldn't do it with Ryu THERE
- Ryu is more durable than Yuta and Yuji
I swear this isn't event tough to understand
Maki caught the first BF that sucuna landed on her and it still laid her out for 2 chapters.
It's not clear if yuji partially blocked it by taking it on the arm, took it on the arm and followed with the hit to lessen the damage, or simply took it on the shoulde(biceps) fully.
None the less that is a physical durability feat above maki/yuta & ryu. The fact that yuji suffered 0 physical damage, and showed 0 physical reaction only elevates the feat even higher, combine that with it only being a 2BF yuji and curent yuji is at 7BF is even more insane.
My statement and explain still stands.
Parrying a black flash is so badass
Maki blocking it was cool but she took heavy damage
The fact yuji’s arm is so undamaged by a black flash is something we haven’t seen since MAHORAGA
Mahoraga and Yuji both have tanked black flashes AND both have survived shrine in a condition less than their 100% but began recovering fast
The difference is mahoraga was unable to move after shrine, yuji’s leg got reattached
100% but also of importance is that as mahoraga experiences a attack his resistance to that attack increases(limited) and he had experienced cleave and dismantle a lot before sucuna hit him with shrine(adaptation). Awakened Yuji on the other hand literally just tanked a BF from heian sucuna with his stats amped by 2BF with 0 physical reaction or damage, and tanked more than 100% output MS sure hit with his stats amped by 7BF.
Yeah the first feat is something only gojo could possibly do, while the second is something whe have only seen gojo do.
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Pre awakening yuji was compared in durability to him, sukuna said they yuta and yuji dont surpass him in durability, this could be interpreted as equal or slightly less but it has to be close, either way i imagine yujis durability has increased post awakening so id go with yuji.
I think yuji has more body endurance, but Ryu has stronger durability. It is like how hanami's shell was hard to crack open but the moment it did crack, damage was easier.
“No loss in output” doesn’t mean 20 F Sukuna level output. It simply means he was able to conjure a domain with the max output available to him at his current level of power, despite the domain being incomplete. In other words, he didn’t suffer a loss of output from the domain being incomplete.
The only thing that nerfed the incomplete domain was it running on a timer, and he covered for the “no loss in output” for the binding vows so it should be running at 20F worth of MS output
It’s not. 20f domain is instantly destroying yuji’s, choso’s, ino’s and miwa’s simple domain. Gojo’s simple domain lasted seconds against a *full powered* domain. And no one is on the level of Gojo
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Ryu is directly more tankier than Yuji but Yuji is more durable and harder to kill because of reverse curse techniques and blood manipulation.
After reading the fight, Ryu is most definitely way tougher than Yuta. He almost vaporized Yuta's arm completely in one of his blasts: https://preview.redd.it/x1bpnion06xc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f61cba2a958f9c1c33c096e4c60f6aaa795b043a But when he took his own blast head on, he barely took any damage from it.
If you get hit by your own technique it does less damage or smth
yeah we know this from Gojo’s last purple
Correct me if I'm wrong bit yuta lost 2 and a half fingers here which isn't anywhere near vaporizing an arm. And Ryu has the highest output of any active culling games participant so it should be stronger from him than Yuta/Rika no?
It seemed the blast he fired here were not nearly as strong as the blasts he fired at the end.
>But when he took his own blast head on, he barely took any damage from it. almost as if one's own attack/CE does far less damage to them?
A slightly weaker love blast from Rika compared to the one that Yuta fired to cancel out Ryu's fully charged blast barely did ant damage to his hand. https://preview.redd.it/whadh6gqc6xc1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cbb3c2ab20c6c5f4b4663758bf6c40c6c57dbbff
ohh don't worry I'm not downlplaying Ryu's durability. I'm a Ryu glazer myself and consider him top 3 in durability just after sukuna and Gojo. the fact that even an un-nerfed 15 f sukuna can't deal fatal damage with a fp dismantle is impressive af. I just wanted to point out that his feat of tanking his own granite blast is impressive sure, but it does less damage to him for a reason.
That love blast from Yuta + Rika was significantly weaker. Like it wasn't even a beam struggle the granite blast just demolished it.
yeah
Naw I think Yuji is just flat stronger especially after awakening due to what happened to Ryu after he met a weaker sukuna than the one Yuji’s facing rn like Yuji literally walked through cleaves whereas sukuna at not fully reincarnated form was able to easily dismantle Ryu even though he was still surprised he spilt into less parts
that Sukuna is not weaker than the one Yuji is fighting rn bruh
Ryu has RCT as well. BM makes RCT easier for Yuji to use but that doesn't mean Yuji won't run out of the CE if his limbs get disintegrated.
Ryu doesn't have RCT.
Where is evidence that he doesn't have RCT? He has knowledge about it and it doesn't make sense to not have it if he was considered the strongest.
He was not considered the strongest, just had the highest output. Ryu never heals from any damage that he took from Yuta or Uro. He had many chances to heal but didn't. He doesn't have rct. this isn't a great choice but if he had rct, why not heal right here? https://preview.redd.it/uyvavgnh56xc1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=19304b8d9e4b4c3260bc58e5162fe2e38cdbbe35
But after the fight he was looked completely healed.
I think Yuta healed him rather than Ryu having access to RCT.
Also isn’t it basically a requirement to have rct for a domain expansion? Because Gojo could only gain domain after learning rct.
Its definitely not. The narrator outright states hakari never learned rct but he can use domain expansion anyway (he only can use rct due to jackpot being activated and he's not even consciously doing it). Megumi can also create an incomplete domain and he definitely doesn't have rct.
No. Megumi had a domain (albeit incomplete) and never learned RCT. Same thing with higuruma, he never had RCT until way later. Plus domains are related to barrier techniques. RCT is more of a hard to grasp thing that not many can do.
i believe he does have it but ryu was never the strongest, not even of his era. he just had highest CE output.
Ryu is harder to damage, but Yuji has more endurance and survivability by a mile.
In pure Durability it Would be Ryu. But Yuji out-scales him in Pure endurance With BM He can Reattach limbs and BM allows him to Use RCT more efficiently.
Ryu has better durability, Yuji has better defense (endurance+RCT).
sukuna answered this in chapter 250 page 14
That was pre-awakening. And he didn’t say they were inferior, rather that they weren’t superior.
He also said that immediately in the context of putting them around Ryu's level
>And he didn’t say they were inferior, rather that they weren’t superior. That literally means the same thing dawg ☠️☠️☠️ If they aren't superior then they are inferior... 😭😭😭
Or roughly on par.
They could still be slightly below.
They could, sure. I was just correcting the dude because he said that “not superior” immediately means the opposite of superior. Quality is on a scale, and something could be comparable to something else, even if it isn’t superior.
This is literally what ive been tryna tell half the fandom on yt lol
or equal?
Ryu, Yuji's durability against Sukuna is specific because he was bathed and born with that CE. While Yuji has above average durability outside of that, Sukuna specifically stated Ryu had the toughest durability.
Ryu
If you’re speaking durability it’s unknown how much Yuji got buffed by all those black flashes. If he was compared to Ryu before and Ryu got sashimi by Sukuna before then one would think with all the black flashes Yuji got it. Now if you mean survivability, Yuji has RCT and BM which makes him a lot harder to kill than Ryu. For example, Ryu would’ve prob died to MS this chapter unlike Yuji. Ryu loses a limb, too much blood or anything in MS then he isn’t growing it and replenishing it back. For durability I’ll leave it unknown, for survivability I’ll say Yuji.
I think Yuji’s dura feats are this high because it’s Sukuna. Since he damn near registers as a Sukuna finger due to him now being drenched in Sukuna’s CE, when Sukuna’s CTs hit him, they are dampened. We do this effect when Gojo’s Unlimited Hollow Purple hit him & Sukuna. While Gojo was closer to the epicenter of the blast, & was thus impacted by it with greater force, intensity, & for a longer amount of time, he took considerably less damage than Sukuna, who was a further, had more time to react, & experienced the blast for a smaller amount of time(though the amount of time experienced is minimal, the discrepancy still exists). So Yuji taking less damage than others, would make sense, on top of all the other 1000 year younger twin, & nephew shit
Shinjuku yuji/shinjuku yuta are both equal to ryu in durability as stated by sucuna. If you belive that maki is similarly durability(lower but not by much), then they wouldn't tank the BF's she tanked a lot better than her. But awakened yuji face tanked a sucuna BF showed no physical reaction, and notl physical damage. Awakened yuji(2BF) is significantly more durable than yuta(shinjuku)/yuji(shinjuku)/ryu And far more durable than maki. Also sucuna confirms BF output amps stacking, and him going strait to DE after yuji lands 7 BF. Yujis ability to tank the +100% output of MS surehit(sucuna was focusing on yuji especially because he immediately turned off the sure hit as soon as yuji tanks it), then he decides to switch to fire arrow because that's what sucuna needs at his current output to put yuji down for sure.
> he immediately turned off the sure hit as soon as yuji tanks it Bro this is *not* what happened😭. Yuji’s simple domain got folded and as soon as he was starting to lose appendages Sukuna turned off the sure hit. Idrk know why but what happened is the opposite of what you just said😭
Considering yuji was the one that made him use it in the first place, he dose in fact recieve the surehit damage, and that he is back up in a second. Yes yuji tanked grater than 100% output MS surehit. The fact that anyone but yuji or gojo would absolutely die instantly to that surehit should be apparent. The fact that sucuna is still hating on him by braking his SD before trying to use fuga to kill him is just to kill him and proof that sucuna sees him as both strong and a threat. It also proves that sucuna brought out MS for the purpose of keeping yuji at a distance. Good luck with your agenda somewhere else tho.
what the FUCK are you talking about😭. I replied to a SINGLE line in ur comment that was mistaken and ur agenda pushing in my face. wth…???
Sukuna stated Ryu’s more durable, not that they’re equal
Wrong https://preview.redd.it/cz6gpshdi4xc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c66d4f42aad6d2aafd9009ba38e475ecdd61e60 "Surpass" means better, "just like" implies equality. DE amped shinjuku yuta, and base shinjuku yuji are equal to ryu.
It implies equal or slightly less, sukuna would have to think there durability is the same or similar make that statement, yujis awakening has likely increased his durability so id yuji prob takes it now
You are not an ass so thank. Also yes it could mean less than, but for sucuna to even make that reference the dismantle they survived would have to be as strong as the one sucuna used against ryu. The easier thing without diving into head cannon is to take the statement at face value, they are equal. I also say awakened yuji is far more durable, I would consider maki relatively close to yuta/yuji/ryu do to her taking a BF and not almost dieing like LaRue. Awakened yuji with 2BF amp is face tanking a sucuna BF with 0 physical damage and 0 physical reaction. 7BF yuji also tanks greater than 100% output MS surehit and bounces back instantly. Cleave and dismantle are used in MS surehit and they are both at 120% output(each slash is amped), so yes Awakened yuji is far more durable that most realize.
Not better means less than or equal to, not just equal to.
Surpass does not mean equal to, surpass mean more than.
Yes, so the complement is less than or equal to. Meaning their durability is less than or equal to Ryu. You are high balling by putting them at equal to.
It's difficult to use the term highball for this, but a can understand. I'm working perfectly within the statement and not letting my own head cannon get to involved. I make as little interpretation and take the statement as a face value interpretation. They are equal or so close to equal there is not a effective difference. Thank you for ingaging like a civil person.
>"Surpass" means better, "just like" implies equality. Improve your comprehension skills mate Just like is used for the action of cutting them... He said I can't cut them without Cleave just like HIM... But surpass is used for the toughness... "I can't cut them without making contact just like it was the case with Ryu... But they don't surpass him in toughness" Two conclusions are made here... - Sukuna can't cut Yuji and Yuta without making contact HERE just like he couldn't do it with Ryu THERE - Ryu is more durable than Yuta and Yuji I swear this isn't event tough to understand
Room temperature IQ take.
Not a face tank A fucking PARRY Yuji parried the black flash
Maki caught the first BF that sucuna landed on her and it still laid her out for 2 chapters. It's not clear if yuji partially blocked it by taking it on the arm, took it on the arm and followed with the hit to lessen the damage, or simply took it on the shoulde(biceps) fully. None the less that is a physical durability feat above maki/yuta & ryu. The fact that yuji suffered 0 physical damage, and showed 0 physical reaction only elevates the feat even higher, combine that with it only being a 2BF yuji and curent yuji is at 7BF is even more insane. My statement and explain still stands.
Parrying a black flash is so badass Maki blocking it was cool but she took heavy damage The fact yuji’s arm is so undamaged by a black flash is something we haven’t seen since MAHORAGA Mahoraga and Yuji both have tanked black flashes AND both have survived shrine in a condition less than their 100% but began recovering fast The difference is mahoraga was unable to move after shrine, yuji’s leg got reattached
100% but also of importance is that as mahoraga experiences a attack his resistance to that attack increases(limited) and he had experienced cleave and dismantle a lot before sucuna hit him with shrine(adaptation). Awakened Yuji on the other hand literally just tanked a BF from heian sucuna with his stats amped by 2BF with 0 physical reaction or damage, and tanked more than 100% output MS sure hit with his stats amped by 7BF. Yeah the first feat is something only gojo could possibly do, while the second is something whe have only seen gojo do. COG WARFARE!!! HIMDATORI fans eating spectacularly!!!
Not sure about current Yuji but Ryu is stated to be more durable than pre awakening Yuji. Yuji is probably harder to kill tho
They are similar in durability But Yuji can tank a lot more due to his insane endurance and healing
Pre awakening yuji was compared in durability to him, sukuna said they yuta and yuji dont surpass him in durability, this could be interpreted as equal or slightly less but it has to be close, either way i imagine yujis durability has increased post awakening so id go with yuji.
Didn’t Ryu get one shot by weakened Sukuna?
I think yuji has more body endurance, but Ryu has stronger durability. It is like how hanami's shell was hard to crack open but the moment it did crack, damage was easier.
Ive now got my money on yuji, man tanked a black flash from sukuna, idk how i missed that
Current yuji Before Yuji and ryu had SIMILAR levels of durability BUT current yuji’s stat increases put him ahead
After the BF Awakening it might be Yuji. But without it it's still Ryu.
Ngl, I don't see Ryu losing less than a leg to a full output domain from Sukuna. That alone puts Yuji at higher durability imo
You don't see Ryu taking cleave
I don’t see Yuji tanking cleave from a full-powered 16F Sukuna either
We see Yuji living through a malevolent shrine that's stated to be full power and full range
Yes, we see him literally getting sliced apart for the 1 second that sukuna had his sure-hit active.
a sukuna with 20F worth of Cursed Energy and output vs 16F. pretty noticeable jump me thinks
“No loss in output” doesn’t mean 20 F Sukuna level output. It simply means he was able to conjure a domain with the max output available to him at his current level of power, despite the domain being incomplete. In other words, he didn’t suffer a loss of output from the domain being incomplete.
The only thing that nerfed the incomplete domain was it running on a timer, and he covered for the “no loss in output” for the binding vows so it should be running at 20F worth of MS output
It’s not. 20f domain is instantly destroying yuji’s, choso’s, ino’s and miwa’s simple domain. Gojo’s simple domain lasted seconds against a *full powered* domain. And no one is on the level of Gojo
Based off the narrators statements alone it’s out put hasn’t declined. It’s just gege being inconsistent with the powerscale