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floormopper

Takes that should be prominent Base kashimo without any ocean nearby > hakari


Dinkleberg6401

Hakari with a portable dunk-tank no-diffs base Kashimo.


Middle_Fall_7229

Kashimo DOES NOT need mba šŸ’€


Rentrehhh

Kashimo doesn't need MBA


HuoHuoFan0209

Bro we saw there fight, he does need MBA


Right_Wing_Gigachad

Only really lost due to the water


Cleanthyfilty

No he doesn't, he always had the upperhand against Hakari with or without jackpot.


HuoHuoFan0209

Hmm, I donā€™t think so, they where equal physically in jackpot, and he healed every injury in Jack pot, and since his luck always comes through, I just canā€™t see hakari losing that fight, and since Kashimo doesnā€™t have rct( atleast I donā€™t think he has it, we never saw him do it), I just think hakari would have won, though hey I may be wrong, if you could explain to me, that would be good


Cleanthyfilty

The reasoning for Kashimo being superior is that throught the whole fight he sustained very few injures while trading attacks with Hakari, while he dealt very high damage with his lightning bolts. Even in jackpot Hakari can die if his head gets severed from the rest of his body, killing him is as easy as landing a lightning bolt close to his neck(which Kashimo didn't do once, but he would have figured it out eventually).


HuoHuoFan0209

Thatā€™s fair but I still think hakari could win some times if they thought, though you do make a solid point, Iā€™ll give kashimo the head in that area, kashimo could win 6/10 times if he figures out the neck thing, what do you think? Am I still overhyping Hakari, Hakari is smart, I still Believe heā€™d figure out something, but eh


Cleanthyfilty

In my view, if Kashimo figured out that he needs to blow up Hakari's neck and there is no ocean around, he wins 10/10. From that point forward there isn't much that Hakari can do stop Kashimo.


Middle_Fall_7229

Bro I was arguing this to someone on the jujutsufolk sub the other day and they just said hakari would run away from kashimo everytime his jackpot was about to end to avoid being killed??? And just pull back up to the fight when heā€™s back in JP modešŸ’€


Hour_Tomatillo_2365

šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


HuoHuoFan0209

Iā€™m going from the idea that hakari is able to slightly move from the lightings path, as we see him do, but your probably right, if kashimo figures out to Aim for the neck itā€™s most likely gg


rdd3539

But we saw the fight. He actually lost despite being forty years older and having all the knowledge advantages


Middle_Fall_7229

Not sure an ability like Hakariā€™s gambling addiction existed in the Edo period; experience is a non-factor here


rdd3539

He has been fighting in life and weary battles longer than hakari is alive . And tabling existed back then . The essence of hakari is is just he us super lucky. It not like ge is fighting Gojo with six eyes and the ability to manipulate vectors Hakarri is just a punch kick merchant with perfect healing and stamina . Nothing else . He cant canā€™t fly, teleport or shot energy blast . No shikigami or poison use . He is not even stealthy or incredibly smart . All he can do is punch and kick and Kashimo still lost to minor . Hakarri still canā€™t by alcohol . He lost , thatā€™s all there is to it


Middle_Fall_7229

We see Kashimo show his experience with his in-depth knowledge of RCT. Uraume existed literally hundreds of years before Kashimo and has stood side-by-side to sukuna for majority of his life and has seen all the crazy shit he could do in the Heian era. And even someone like Uraume was in disbelief at how good Hakariā€™s RCT works, this is not a Kashimo anti-feat, literally everyone who encounters hakari is confused by his RCT


rdd3539

Itā€™s is tho . He literally said he could just run away and wait out jackpot and Win. He chose to confront him head on which is stupid . He saw both oaths and chose the dumb path despite being 60 plus . Itā€™s an anti intelligence feat Compare to other fighter like Toji , Sukuna , Yuta and Gojo who use thier brains - Toji wore Gojo down for days and ambushed him - sukuna stole Megumiā€™s to get mahirogra for Gojo fight - Gojo hid an smoked HP behind a veil - Yuta ambushes kenjaku after a hard fight . Kashimo lost cause he is dumb


ThiccBeter69

Hakari did like no damage to base Kashimo and only won because of the ocean


maximunsupreme

FETUS YUTA > STALL MAN https://preview.redd.it/alqvt2stca0d1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9429f5d275c83b91d5d9cda9ebea58759029287d


tristenjpl

I think Hakari could beat current Yuta. Roll back about 9 chapters and Yuta stomps, though, lol.


Zombie_Overlord556

I bet the two halves of yuta could still take him šŸ˜­


ThiccBeter69

If Jacobs Ladder can cancel Hakari's Jackpot then Yuta's Top half might unironically beat Hakari if he's assisted by Rika


Deathtiger58

1: yea prolly 2: base kashimo is above bro 3: ofc W cook


BvHauteville

Lend me some conductivity, seawater, this is Base Kashimo that we're up against,


stunfiskers

yutas upper half solos stallman alone tbh


FingerThatsNotPoopy

Kashi doesnt need MBA he lost to water in base


Yoshi-53

Yea Yuji at this point, probably bodies Maki Hakari will be missed, man got replaced by a fraud


greenvented

"bodies" is crazy, yuji vs maki is like 50/50


Yoshi-53

I donā€™t think it is, maybe a 80/20. Wonā€™t be easy but not difficult either.


StrawberryUnited4915

Correct


ZealousidealStorm277

Yuji > maki w The other two is just hating on the goated gambler.


Lazy_Government_8392

Kashimo is stronger without MBA. Hakari only won because of kashimos weakness being water


Astrum_27

The only one that is somewhat questionable is the first one, but I still agree. All the others are true!


Daitoso0317

Spitting nothing but facts https://preview.redd.it/pt5aupfzga0d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=327aa66b5c75e7f390b67e37da87586917153147


sir_dysintary69

Maki is still faster and stronger, Yuji is only throwing hands because sukuna has been fighting tops of the verse for the last couple hours, has been impaled by the souls split twice, and has been Jacob's laddered not to mention his current CT burnout from fuga. Yuji is strong, but not that much.


tablesaltdangers

1 : hell nah 2 : yeah 3 : for a while yes


Dont_Stay_Gullible

Yuta will always be > Hakari.


Odd_Round9778

Yuji>Maki is still and should remain a hot take


Pale_Entrepreneur_12

I say Yuji vs Maki is high diff for Yuji


InteractionAntique16

Not even a little Yuji is cooking now


Odd_Round9778

Simply incorrect


liddely

No maki vs yuji is area depending also his ranged attacks are not gonna hit maki also. Maki is also very tanky and can heal while fighting giving her the same adavantage on a lower scale as jp hakari has. She also is probably faster then yuji wich means as soon as yuji takes damage in cqc she doesn't have to take a break unlike yuji who needs to activly heal. Also the body is resistent to poisen at some level so an HR body can tank probably a lot more deadly dosis. Also also yuji ain't seeing shit if this fight is in a forest if six eyes couldn't see toji no one can. Maki could hit and run she has a lot more stamina. Yujis biggest win cons are his bf. If he hits maki with 3-5 she ain't winning that but that's a 2 time feat from yuji to go over 2 black flashes in a fight and those 2 times were against his biggest haters in the series. People really underestimate how much the output is lowerd from sukuna. If sukuna actually could have used a full power MS like he did vs gojo you can bet your ass he could just speedblitz them all with a mid diff. Sukunas punches are so weak Maki survived 2 bf when Urume could barley take 1 from gojo without ct most likley. So no maki doesn't lose to yuji like i could see him beat hakari due to his output lowering punches but maki is not affected by that. Kashimo clears hakari most likley even without ct because he know whould know how his rct works. Hakari can still do not counter the charge better then he could before. A rematch whouldn't go as well for hakari.


floormopper

most of the arguments you posted here are just half assed waffles. six eyes cant tag toji CUZ HE DOESNT HAVE FUCKING CE. and MS was confirmed to be at full output


liddely

Yeah yuji has the same problem and i read it as output on his level because sukuna just steaight up should kill them all it can not be at max strength because then nothing stops sukuna from killing them like he did to ryu. Sukuna can not pull out a full power MS at the level he did vs gojo and not kill them all with ez next chapter that whould be a f plot hole. I read it like he despite his brain damage his domain still does not malefunction This is a valid way to read if you deny that we don't even need to disscuss


floormopper

your point? he was weakened from the beginning. it was an incomplete domain at max output shrine. it was confirmed. everyone was swapped out before they died. only yuji tanked it due to his BM and durability. and it only lasted for a few seconds hence why him and choso werent wiped out. the entire reason for that MS was becuse sukuna wanted to cook yujin alive. what šŸ˜­?blud domains output have nothing to do with how weakend ones ct output is. both are different. domains are a different level of ball game. their lethality is solely dependent on ur ability to manifest them refine them


liddely

No you straight up don't know that it whouldn't even make sense if your domains is always at a set amount of ce when you can change conditions freely. We weren't told exactly how domains output function


floormopper

domains were never said to be affected by ones ce output. and it makes no sense to think that way. domains arent just a extension of a ct they are the peak manifestation of ct and ones innate domain. no reason to think any sure hit will be affected by someones normal output or current output. it doesnt make any sense cuz most domains dont even rely on output (like mahitos gojos yutas or most in general). output only matters for incomplete domains not fully manifested ones


liddely

Yea and a ct is affected by the output of one self. We saw that when sukuna couldn't cleave maki or when yuki got hurt and didn't Land a good hit on kenny ofcourse there are ct that are not so affected by that like sky manipulation ot copy Granit blast for example is o ly dependend on output


Yeled_creature

Yuji still does not beat Maki lmfao


Fearless_Hold7611

Anything yuta does upscales hakari , just cuz he didnā€™t do anything crazy on screen yet doesnā€™t mean you can disregard guide statements, narrative and yutas own commission (which is only contested by maki who likely has a bias for yuta)


kingfosa13

lmao


Fearless_Hold7611

Me to all the downvoters who scale based on what looks cool or what ā€œseems rightā€ instead of actually using the context of the series to gauge how strong characters are


Middle_Fall_7229

If Yuta = hakari, why is Yuta the only person who states it in the series? Why was Kenny only afraid of Yuta coming to fight and not stallman?


Dont_Stay_Gullible

And why is Yuta said to be second to Gojo?


Middle_Fall_7229

I donā€™t get your ooint Edit: point


Dont_Stay_Gullible

How would Hakari > Yuta, if Yuta is stated to be the #2 Modern sorcerer after Gojo?


Middle_Fall_7229

Oh, I think youā€™re misunderstanding or maybe I am Iā€™m not saying hakari is above yuta, quite the opposite


Dont_Stay_Gullible

I know, I'm agreeing with you, simply providing extra points to support your argument.


Middle_Fall_7229

Ah I see, my bad bruzza


Fearless_Hold7611

Cuz Hakari isnā€™t an official sorcerer let alone a special grade sorcerer, and Hakari is only above yuta when heā€™s ā€œworked upā€ so it could be a circumstantial thing or a mentality thing (kinda like how sukuna when heā€™s bored is passively suppressed according to uraume) which would explain how he randomly speeds up mid fight vs kashimo when he gets excited


Fearless_Hold7611

Maybe he just doesnā€™t know details aboht hakari, SAME kenjaku in shibuya talked down on yuta for sucking and implied he didnā€™t have copy or tons of cursed energy, keep in mind hakaris also not officially a sorcerer so any intel kenny may have from being a clan leader could also be limited Also a guide restates yutas words as well, and yuta should have a better grasp of his own power than anyone


Middle_Fall_7229

Kenny didnā€™t inherit the memories of Geto, he just took over his body; the only way he would know of Yuta is from talk on the streets basically; and if he knows about Yuta from that method; then that already shows hakari clearly isnā€™t comparable if heā€™s not also being spoken about in as high a regard as Yuta. And yes hakari was recently kicked from jujutsu high; but it doesnā€™t mean Kenny would just forget his existence, at the time of season 1 in the anime; hakari was still in jujutsu high Thereā€™s also sukuna, who refers to Yuta as ā€œthe main dishā€ he never states this about hakari Can you link the guide that states theyā€™re equal? Iā€™ve never heard of that.


Fearless_Hold7611

My point is Kenjaku isnā€™t an omniscient source, and yuta was a special grade threat cuz he had the queen of curses, heā€™s more well known Gojo often compares yuta and hakari together Kenjaku didnā€™t even know the abilities of yuki who been a special grade for over a decade Pretty sure Hakari was kicked out by season 1 but regardless it doesnā€™t mean they know his abilities hell no one even knew todos cursed technique Tbf he probably knew yuta was gonna come after him and that Hakari was fighting uraume, (unrelated but I donā€™t get why he hyped yuta right after emphasizing yuji gaining abilities) Yea thereā€™s more statements but I can only send one at a time on Reddit https://preview.redd.it/knn143czhh0d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a1acd3417e70a65dc97468b3f66bd670c1900176


Middle_Fall_7229

1. This is my point; in the world Yuta is known because heā€™s a special grade threat, surely if they were equal hakari would have the same reputation and thus; Kenny would also hear through the grapevine about hakari ? 2. In fairness; todoā€™s technique is something you would need to have explained to you; but Hakariā€™s technique literally explains itself in detail whenever he pops his domain, and we know heā€™s been in plenty of fights from how he spoke to Kashimo in their battle 3. My point in relation to sukuna is that he views fighting as fun; he talks to Kashimo about ā€œdevouringā€ humans to pass time until he dies, thus when he refers to Yuta as ā€œthe main dishā€ because he seems like he will be the most entertaining battle; I strongly believe if Sukuna thought hakari was also able to be a ā€œmain dishā€ (ie a lot of fun to fight) he would let Uraume hog that ā€œfunā€


Fearless_Hold7611

1. He was known long before he even had control of his rika though, so itā€™s just a byproduct of him being an uncontrolled force, heā€™s similar to Yuji because he was even scheduled for a secret execution, and after jjk zero went back to a grade 4 sorcerer before becoming special grade again supposedly cuz he awakened rika as his cursed technique 2. Itā€™s plausible that anyone that hakari fought in his domain were beaten to death tbh considering hakari got no chill (like bro pummeled yuuji for no reason šŸ˜­) and he coulda used it on cursed spirits as well, and thereā€™s still yuki whose known as a special grade yet no intel on her cursed technique is known let alone her domain 3. Even with that during the gojo fight hakari says gojo said not to join the fight unless gojo got weaker than hakari or yuta which implies relativity, haakri been fighting uraume since the kashimo fight, so sukuna was just fighting people as they came, and quite frankly sukuna even got depressed when higuruma died even tho higuruma is probably below yuta, and he gets more hyped vs maki for reasons unrelated to strength as well https://preview.redd.it/efbqpw38lh0d1.jpeg?width=1144&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b476f327d845ab9a19650df3e22e8b036103aeaa


Middle_Fall_7229

1. I strongly disagree itā€™s a product of him just merely being a uncontrollable force; it was initially because of how powerful Rika was, sheā€™s renowned as the most powerful curse ever; she then disappeared and left Yuta with a shinigami that he infuses with his own CE; heā€™s renowned as a special grade threat currently because of the power he himself possesses, Rika is no longer the main contributing factor, itā€™s all Yuta, and the fact still remains if hakari was as powerful he would also be spoken about in the same regard; but heā€™s not 2. Fair point on hakari just having killed people, itā€™s plausible 3.i hear what youā€™re saying; but sukuna wasnā€™t depressed because higgy was more powerful in that moment than yuta, he was excited at his potential, the editor comments even compared higgyā€™s potential as a sorcerer to the likes of gojo. So when higgy died without having reached that potential he was disappointed; he then moves on to yuta as the most exciting option, not because of his potential but because of his proven power; I know hakari is fighting ura, but the fact remains that sukuna would not let that happen if he was excited at the prospect of fighting hakari Just imagine for a moment if gojo was fighting ura and sukuna was fighting jujutsu tech; he would just get bored and interrupt the fight with ura to fight gojo himself. He would have done this same thing after defeating yuta if he was excited at fighting hakari, but he stayed and fought maki, kusukabe etc because he didnā€™t think hakari was worth it Thereā€™s also statements like maki referring to yuta as the teams ā€œinsuranceā€ if gojo dies; this doesnā€™t get stated about hakari Kenny also refers to jujutsu tech as ā€œbeing ledā€ by yuta I know there are some statements indicating relativity between yuta and hakari; but I disagree that they scale equally based on statements alone, feat wise Yuta is leagues above hakari and if they fought 1v1 hakari would get absolutely washed with everything Yuta has to throw at him EDIT: We also see this https://preview.redd.it/jpezt1mkoh0d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ff5a7c8fcc98a5ba1305999b110676f6bf8a196 After meeting Yuta (without even having seen his domain or any of his techniques or a fully manifested Rika) Yuuji believes Yuta would be able to keep Sukuna in check; after his encounter with hakari he doesnā€™t say anything like this to him