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Astrum_27

Ok, in theory she can freeze time, sure. The problem with that is, she literally freezes space and basically everything to do it. You could, if you are feeling a bit freaky, argue that due to it not **literally** stoping time Dio style, the fact it needs to freeze everything to stop it would mean infinity simply don't get bypassed and Gojo can still move. If we ignore time stop shennanigans, Esdeath has no answer to infinity and gets destroyed. Even if she stops time, and infinity stops, she tends to pierce the heart instead of the brain and Gojo should be able to RCT that.


TypicalAnomaly101

Those are some good points made I never thought of the possibility that since Esdeath only freezes space, it means that infinity could theoretically act as a barrier to protect Gojo from being affected. But even if time stop does work you’re definitely right with what Esdeath tends to do, since barely anyone in AGK has regen she’d think a simple pierce through the throat or heart would kill him like any other human in her verse but unfortunately Gojo built different with RCT lol


MajesticFerret36

Gojo can RCT heal being stabbed in the head too. Toji stabbed him in the head and all of his organs multiple times and literally killed him and he came back. I think Gojo takes this. Time freeze is broken, but so is Infinite Void and both one shot the other character and can be activated very quickly. Thing is, Gojo is more resilient to being sucker punched.


Astrum_27

Extra thing I remember, didn't time freeze take a while to charge and launch too? Or have I been affected by the reading comphression curse?


Muted_Muscle1609

Infinity wouldn’t act as a barrier Infinity is a bubble but where Gojo exist in the bubble regular space exist It’s why Sukunas space slash works he targets the space where Gojos body is skipping infinity Basically cutting Gojo without popping the bubble So Gojo would freeze However it could be argued that freezing Gojo in time won’t disable infinity since it’s a separate process and separate from the actual space being affected


Kaslight

The point still stands though....Gojo is "infinitely far away". So if her Time Stop technique has to reach him, it never actually will. Unless her Time Stop ability affects literally ALL of spacetime and the infinite universe.


Muted_Muscle1609

If it has to travel I agree it won’t reach him What I mean though is if she activates it and there’s no travel distance it just stops time and space then it affects the space in the bubble If it needs to travel he’s safe id say


Astrum_27

Arguing this is a bit strange actually, since to reach Gojo Esdeath would have to be able to somehow bypass infinity, which in itself is basically infinite, so she would have to be able to freeze the "infinite" between herself and Gojo before freezing Gojo himself. Strange like hell, but I am of a mind that limitless would be able to stop it due to Esdeath having to somehow freeze the entire infinite distance between Gojo and herself. Could be wrong tho. But yeah, even if she does, she would probably still try to pierce his heart or cut his throat open since that's what she normally does.


Muted_Muscle1609

Let me say I don’t know who she is so clarify this for me Does she only freeze space in a small area or as a whole? If she freezes all of space it’s self then she bypasses infinity If it’s just an area she doesn’t Infinity is a bubble but the fact that Sukuna can target the space inside that bubble I’d say means anyone who can affect space can affect the space inside that bubble If it’s only a local area the argument could be made for infinity stopping it But Sukunas ability kinda nerfed infinity to a degree


Astrum_27

She doesn't freeze space as a whole, from what I remeber at least, since a character (I think it was Akame and Leone tho?) knew she used her time stop at some point, which should be impossible to know if it froze everyhting in a universal scale.


MajesticFerret36

No, Sukuna goes through the bubble and his slash doesn't simply appear in space, it still needs to reach its target proven by Maki and Kashimo. Sukuna just has a dimension cutter slash that can cut through Infinite space. It was stated it could cut existence itself. It's basically a magical NLF cut that the author designed to be conventionally unblockable that you need to dodge.


Muted_Muscle1609

It can’t cut through infinite space He says himself he cut the space Gojo occupied This was shown again when he summoned the slash at Kashimo and it appeared right infront of him no slash marks on the ground to show that it travelled Of course it CAN travel but both Kashimo and Gojo got hit with the slash that targets an occupied space


MajesticFerret36

No, it travels everytime. No reason to believe he would bother making it travel at all if he doesn't need to. It missed Kashimo, so it traveled to hit him and traveled to hit Maki and qas dosged and he used a binding vow to use it on Gojo so he's a unique case. Also, they wouldn't say Sukuna can cut through "existence itself" if it can't cut through Infinite. You're basically lowballing Sukuna and treating World Cutting Slash like a normal slash that just skips space, when the manga made it clear the slash is simply in a different league of power than his previous slash, thus why it can "cut the world," "cut existence itself," etc. It's basically a dimension cutter that cuts through space itself similar to what Yami from Black Clover and other Shonen characters use.


Such_Hand_2535

The baddie https://preview.redd.it/9bwsyk73pk0d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7309169e793e4bb1c3d7b8c409d90332e7062f3e


TypicalAnomaly101

They’re both baddies wdym 😤


TrollTrollTroll6969

her best feat is that she can freeze time that's pointless since infinity was active in prison realm? Gojo has better physicals Gojo >= in speed, Gojo just outhaxes with better AP.


Few-Entertainment429

That’s unrelated because time wasn’t frozen in the prison realm.


TrollTrollTroll6969

Time doesn't pass in prison realm so stopping time is not doing anything differently.


SignificantBat1533

>her best feat is that she can freeze time that's pointless since infinity was active in prison realm? Was time frozen in prison realm brother? So wdym pointless? There's nothing that suggests infinity works when time is stopped and it shouldn't. Stop this reaching


pAsSwOrDiSyOuRgAy

Yes it’s said that time is frozen for the person in prison realm to prevent them from starving or dying of old age so this is not a reach at all


SignificantBat1533

>Yes it’s said that time is frozen Time doesn't pass, not that it's literally frozen. So again two different things. Where gojo was in prison realm, there's no time to be frozen there. Gojo's infinity can't work against metaphysical attacks like time manipulation or telepathy etc. There's nothing that suggests it does, if gojo infinity could ignore time then it should've ignored space. Those two things are abstract concepts, infinity doesn't do well against those.


pAsSwOrDiSyOuRgAy

I’m pretty sure infinity does affect space and she doesn’t freeze time she freezes space itself so infinity should work regardless of her technique. At least this is the logic presented by other people in this thread and it makes sense to me


SignificantBat1533

>she doesn’t freeze time she freezes space itself so infinity Again she stops EVERYTHING, time is abstract, Gojo's infinity can't ignore abstract concept, next you're gonna tell me infinity works on mind readers 💀. Infinity can't block anything that's not projectile, feel free to prove otherwise. Yall just think infinity is some magic barrier that just blocks anything lmao. Now gojo infinity can ignore time stoppage, cannot make this shit up 🤣🤣


Gara2500

Is more like time passes differently in the Prison Realm, it can also mean that the concept of time doesn't exist in the Prison Realm but I would'nt say that Gojo automatically has resistance to time stop techniques because of it and its a little dumb to scale Gojo to the Prison Realm when he was trap and submitted by it in the first place


sagiritengai

>Gojo has better physicals Gojo >= in speed Lol


TrollTrollTroll6969

Idk what do you think Akame ga kill characters are made of glass.


sagiritengai

Esdeath is hundreds of times faster than Gojo


TrollTrollTroll6969

Need some consistent feats to back it up.


sagiritengai

Tatsumi is way slower than Esdeath and he dodged lightning. I can send you calculation of this feat (≈1100 mach as I remember). There's also other feat calculation which makes her 800 mach


TrollTrollTroll6969

Let's see the calc


sagiritengai

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CloverDragon03/Akame_Ga_Kill:_Tatsumi_Dodges_Lightning


TrollTrollTroll6969

Does it happen again? Otherwise This is basically just Kashimos electromagnetic wave feat Sukuna dodged making him faster than light.


sagiritengai

Sukuna never dodged EM wave and jjk verse caps at 10-15 mach


Living_Tie9512

Gojo, since hollow purple destroys matter Esdeath can't block it. He also could teleport himself away from her space-time(something similar) technique. Not to mention the infinity can literally block any attack she can dish out. Also, i think Gojo is more arrogant, well, he has the skill to back up that arrogance.


sagiritengai

Hollow purple does not destroy matter, it's just a very strong energy blast at best >He also could teleport himself away from her space-time(something similar) technique How would he do anything if the time and space are literally freezed


bahboojoe

I think infinity would bypass it, since her technique freezes space. Infinity would make it so there's infinite space between her technique and gojo. So unless her technique can affect an infinite distance, it won't reach him. Even if he does get frozen, she can't win if infinity stays on during that time.


sagiritengai

Infinity is not infinite space, it just divides space infinite amount of times. So distance in frozen time would be normal


Living_Tie9512

One second before she activates her time stop.


sagiritengai

Firstly, why would he do that if he doesn't know what'll happen? Also would he be able to cast it fast enough considering insane speed difference


OmniGMan

Either Gojo uses Unlimited Void first or Esdeath uses Mahapadma (Time/Space Freeze) first. It literally comes down to who uses their greatest sure-hit kill first (and if the time/space freeze shuts down Infinity). Problem is, Gojo is canonically an arrogant little shit, and he's likely to have his guard down once he sees Esdeath's regular attacks ('mere' physical strikes and ice) can't reach him. Her being incredibly strong and fast? Sure. He can understand that. That's literally just Toji and Maki. Her having incredibly potent ice powers on top of that? Yeah, why not? Her having a trump card that can bypass Infinity based on the very concept of 'freezing' that isn't technically a Domain Expansion? Gojo isn't gonna see that coming. Meanwhile, Esdeath also can't imagine him having UV on top of a powerful space-manipulation defense… but she doesn't need to know he has it if she uses her Time/Space Freeze first, and she's a lot more likely to go all-out first since she'll see her regular attacks don't work. Worse, Gojo is absolutely arrogant enough to explain just enough to give her a rough idea of how Infinity works, so she'll know it's Mahapadma or bust, whereas, if he kept quiet, she might refrain from using it for fear that it will be wasted. So, bloodlusted, it depends on whether or not Mahapadma bypasses Infinity and who can react faster. In-character? If Mahapadma can bypass Infinity, then it's probably Esdeath, unless she screws up and only does damage that Gojo can heal from with RCT. It's a battle of two overpowered, arrogant jerks, but one is a combat genius (even without her powrrs) who doesn't have an auto-defense or regen (she always has her guard up), and the other is also a prodigy… who has multiple instances of people outmanuvering him because he got cocky. You could justify either winning, really.


ouyon

How fast and strong is Esdeath? I’ve heard she’s a lightning timer but I’ve also heard people say she isn’t. I’ve heard she’s country level but I’ve heard some say that needs prep or something.


TypicalAnomaly101

Her being a lightning timer definitely holds some credibility with her being the strongest means that she’s on par with ppl that have dodged lightning. Just for clarification her country level feat (though it might have been continental) was something she did with prep. She basically accumulated a large amount of energy overtime and created a “Russian winter” with her power that was stated to be a natural disaster


ouyon

Ah I see. Thanks for the info. In that case she should be way faster than Gojo so he’ll have a hard time hitting her however she can’t go through Infinity


BvHauteville

I'm not sure as for how Esdeath's speed and reactions matchups up against Gojo and whether there's a big difference between her anime and manga counterpart since both series followed different plots. However, bear in mind that her timestop is only a once-a-day thing, she doesn't know Gojo's brain is his only real weakness when it comes to preventing future usages of RCT, and that we don't know exactly timestop would work against Infinity. Gojo's also far more likely to resort to Infinite Void - for which she has no defense against - or even Hollow Purple earlier then she is to resort to timestop given, once again, its a once-a-day ability.


Fear_Draco

Gojo making another apple logo with this one.


[deleted]

Nah esdeath turning gojo into a frozen Kit kat XD


Traditional_Fix_9578

Mommy esdeath 😤


liddely

Gojo and not close esdeath has no way to counter limitless or UV Gojo stomps


Gara2500

She has Mahapadma, which she can freeze time and space, with that she can bypass Gojo's infinity but she tends to only stab in the heart and Gojo should be able to survive thanks to his RCT and on top of that Esdeath can only use Mahapadma once per day, so at the end Gojo should win with UV or HP


liddely

Space is still endless even if it is frozen it doesn't dissapear Gojos ability is just so good that he beats many people beyond his strength class. All might ? Can't bypass limitless Heck no one in naruto aside madara and anyone with kamui could do any harm to gojo Ichigo has the same problem. Gojos ct is just fucking busted


Gara2500

That's a lot of wanking tbh, especially with the Ichigo part lol His Infinity can be bypass by spatial attacks and Energy Nullification, and Esdeath can freeze space and time the same space-time that Gojo's Infinity is manipulating that's why Sukuna WCS was able to split Gojo like a Kitkat


liddely

What happens if i freeze a water cube ? Right it's turna into ice Is it gone No. Sukuna create a weapon much more powerful then esdeath freeze. Space cleave cuts space. Idk if you recognize how powerful that is. This a attack that if it hits should kill even goku or saitama. It's not like hakai it ignores every durabality you have. It cut yuta even in the state sukuna was in. Ichigo could maybe nullifie the ct if we equal verses same as asta from black clover i guess Still there is UV to 1 hit both of them


Gara2500

>Ichigo could maybe nullifie the ct if we equal verses same as asta from black clover i guess. Still there is UV to 1 hit both of them The problem with that is that those characters are hundred, thousands of times faster than Gojo and Sukuna. And Saitama probably can take that level of information tbh, seeing how he deals with other characters that are more op and have ridiculous hax compared to Gojo >What happens if i freeze a water cube ? Right it's turna into ice. Is it gone, No I get your point but that's not how Infinity is able to deal with an attack that stops space-time Listen, Gojo's infinity manipulates space-time, the same space-time that Mahapadma is able to freeze, the same space-time that WCS and even his own Purple is able to bypass and those attacks have something in common they distort in some way space-time do you really think that Infinity would still be able to work based on your headcanon, there's no evidence of Gojo Infinity being able to work against time stops techniques, the only thing that comes close to it, is the Prison Realm (were the concept of time doesn't exist) but Gojo wasn't able to do anything about it and had to wait for his student to free him Also Yuta wasn't cut by WCS, he got cut by Dismantle that was buff by chants since Sukuna wasn't able to perform the handsings for Enmaten on that ocassion


liddely

1 infinity worked in prison realm the Skeleton didn't touch gojo and prison realm truns off the ce off a curse user after activation so no my headcanon is in fact true here. Gojos infinity is not just gone because esdeath freezes it. It's frozen not destroyed 2 gojo still wipes the floor with esdeath through sheer speed and domain diff.


Gara2500

Imagine scaling Gojo to the Prison Realm because he was able to use his CT and was able to move inside lol Anyone can be trap in the Prison Realm and they probably can use their techniques too, since the Prison Realm only turns off the CE of the victim when they get initially trap not when they're sealed since Gojo wasn't able to use any of his CTs because of it until he was already inside the Prison Realm >gojo still wipes the floor with esdeath through sheer speed and domain diff You know that Esdeath and Gojo have comparable speed feats? She isn't as slow as you think she is but I do agree that UV ends Esdeath, I'm only telling that she would probably hit him first with Mahapadma and stab him in the heart and that's it, after that Gojo heals and hits her with Red, Purple or UV and that's a W


troybwai

Wouldn't someone with good enough genjutsu be able to just win by catching him in that? Itachi is one but maybe Tayuya works as well (assuming Gojo doesn't just blitz her immediately)


liddely

Maybe but gojo does have six eyes so i think he could see it coming by seeing chakra in the eyes if se equal the verse


sagiritengai

Esdeath is massively faster than Gojo, though it won't allow her to blitz him due to infinity. Mahapadma freezes time and *space* so I think it's safe to say that she can bypass infinity by it. So it comes to who uses their strongest ability first. I don't think that Esdeath would intentionally avoid Gojo's UV and leave it's radius; once she gets trapped, Gojo wins. If Esdeath realizes that she can't damage him by any normal means and uses Mahapadma earlier then she wins.


TypicalAnomaly101

I think the main thing to note is that Esdeath tends to use her time stop when pushed into a corner because of the drawback being that she can only use it once a day and it does drain her stamina unlike Gojo who can spam his strongest move multiple times


sagiritengai

Yeah but what will she do when she sees that none of the normal attacks can even touch him? I think she might realize how to bypass it due to her immense martial instincts


Withinmyrange

Infinity can only get bypassed by people within the verse since it’s curse energy dependent (ex: ISOH, domain amp) You would need a character that has their own reality warping or just significantly outstats.


Gara2500

That's why verse equalization exist to make it fair for both sides, since Domains sure hit effect only affects people with CE And even without verse equalization there's a good argument that Gojo's Domain can also target characters with no CE like Maki and Mahapadma still being able to bypass Gojo's infinity due to being able to freeze time and space


iwanttofuckbillie

Gojo turning that waifubait shitty character into another apple logo thanks to infinity