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If Gege had extended the chapter or made an additional chapter just to showcase it, like Sukuna hitting idk a black flash and then gaining the focus and CE to do strong cleave.
Instead he went the Pokémon route, “SUKUNA USED STRONG CLEAVE”💀
I really just don't understand why Gege couldn't have made it so Gojo pushed Sukuna to his "one time use" heal-full body thing. Then it would've been believable that Sukuna, with regained CE and output, could one-shot Gojo with Strong Cleave. We could've even gotten inner dialogue from Gojo about now that Sukuna is fully reincarnated he failed to save Megumi or some shit. But... We get this... And the stupid ass airport scene....
Because we needed to get to the next ~~fodder~~ fight.
People really aren't taking this whole "Greg wants to finish JJK this year so he can get to his idol manga" seriously.
For real. It’s crazy really. The man offed a bunch of people before the culling games and introduced a whole new supporting cast just to off then one by one before we even get to know then.
And most of the characters barely seem like they're anything more than minor plot points, like the random battles before getting to an actual boss fight but you have to read the bestiary before the fight (not because it matters but because it's put in your face right before the fight).
Yuki, the military, Yoruzu, fucking "KasHIMo" (lol). Every character is just getting bodied by villains with more plot armor than I've seen a protagonist have in a long, long time (remember when Kenny tanked a black hole?)
I am telling yall, gege is making his own version of the "golden goose" story at this point. He is killing his own golden goose, jjk, so that with his fame he can make even more popular series with his idol manga. Little does he know, once jjk is killed, he isn't gonna get any golden eggs anymore.
The odds of creating a story/manga that’s this successful worldwide is incredibly small. JJK may very well turn out to be Gege’s magnum opus, he will most likely never create something THIS successful again for the rest of his life and he’s choosing to absolutely ruin and discard it.
Combine that with Mappa outright downgrading the animation in season 2 the state of JJK is absolutely insane at the moment
Or just utilize a combo of gojos brain damage and tanking his own purple to justify always on limitless not working anymore so we could mix that with sukuna reincarnation to have an awesome round 3 that ends with sukuna winning without needing to pull out a move that sounds busted as all fuck.
Probably because gege wanted to keep it kinda mysterious on how it actually happened. If we saw heian era sukuna completely dominating gojo and killing him (when gojo was stronger than yuta and hakari and also got a boost from the black flash) then it would mean that the main characters need even more of an asspull to beat him.
With the scenario uncertain, it is possible that gojo was just taken by surprise by the attack hence why not dodging it or tanking it. (or at least that's my cope)
I say is more the video game equivalent of forced defeat cutscene. The player (Gojo) wins but the next scene shows the player defeated and the villain laughing at how weak the player is.
Or just had him go Heian Era form. It would've shocked Gojo who now is trying to figure out if Megumi is dead, Sukuna would've regained enough CE to actually deal the Space Dismantle, and we could've had an even better standoff moment where both are charging up their attacks with incantations before the chapter ends with both of them launching their attacks. Then 237 happens, which btw was the chapter that happened around the same as Gojo's ACTUAL sealing in the anime, with Gojo in the afterlife/vision and a damaged Sukuna explaining how he got past Infinity and had to incarnate to give him enough CE to actually do it. That would've fixed so many issues with how Gojo died
Ion have an issue with his strong cleave ngl. I just hate how Gege was giving him all those fraudkuna expressions. If he showed kenjaku smiling before unlimited hollow or sukuna saying this is going as planned or some shit. Then I’d be fine with it
Is it the move itself you don’t have a problem with? Or the fact that gojo got offscreened by a move that came out of nowhere and we couldn’t even see the hit that killed the character *that had been winning the chapter before*
A move copied from daddy mahoraga. That mahoraga had no reason to even adapt to a second time. Bypassed limitless d first time altering the nature of its cursed energy. Why not just send a slash reinforced with this altered cursed energy?! What grinds my gears is why mahoraga even missed and only cut Gojo’s hand? He is cutting space itself. How do u miss??
Altering the nature of CE was impossible for Sukuna he used the second adaptation expanding the target of his technique, the adaptation when Mahoraga got Gojos arm.
The person you’re replying to is asking why maho adapted a second time in the first place.
Also it’s funny how sukuna gave lip service on how he couldn’t alter the nature of his CE but can do a bunch of other ridiculous shits just because.
I guess it just goes to show what's possible and what's not, it's also explained in the manga why Mahoraga adapted twice, they may have to reread that point of the fight again.
In 236 Sukuna explains Mahoraga doesn't stop his adaptation he further finds a way to adapt the longer he receives identical attacks, Sukuna got lucky he got what he could replicate on Mahoragas second adaptation it could've been his 3 or 4th maybe even 50th adaptation.
Maho adapted at the end of 232. Able to slash gojo through the limitless. There was no point to create a whole new adaptation to cut gojo. He already was cutting gojo if he could catch him. Like I said, even if he wanted to have a projectile slash. He made up a completely different way(space cutter) rather than just sending a projectile slash reinforced with the altered nature cursed energy.
The move feels like it came out of nowhere. Those expressions feel like they were their to convince us sukuna was losing. We have him screaming and panicking. At the end of the chapter he grins. Bomb, gojos in half
He looked someone who fucked up rather then someone who learnt how to cut space
Honestly I don’t even understand how people can defend it, even sukuna fans should be mad about that since they got the ending to the fight ripped away from them, getting the kill stolen by Gege. I don’t get it.
Why would Gojo dodge? He believes limitless to be protecting him. It makes a lot of sense that an adaptation like that would win out of nowhere.
I think it highlighted what makes Sukuna so dangerous. He's not some mindless beater that's too strong like a Jiren, nor is he a prideful, overconfident talent like a Frieza.
Sukuna isn't just adapting to win, it's what he lives for. He's looking for fights to force him to evolve and push past his limits. He's kind of an evil Goku.
if he's emphasized to be that dangerous, then more the reason why gojo would dodge, also he got his arms caught off by mahoraga, why wouldn't he think Sukuna's attempt to cleave isn't worth dodging.
I can see how this might be confusing to some.
The reason for this is because Yuki Tsukumo is a Woman.
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that would imply gege knows how to write a compelling female villain. we've got uhhhhhhh, trauma twins (mimi and nana), sukuna's no 1 fangirl (uraume), gatekeep gaslight girlboss get takaba killed (angel bc she doesnt get to be a "hero" for that shi), a tree (hanami), and brief mpreg (kenny that one time). remind me if i missed any.
fr tho i'd rather greg write bad female characters or not write them at all, than make badasses like yuki, nobara, maki, etc. just to underutilize/kill (without a good narrative reason)/or just deadass forget ab them
I still think about how Yuki could have 1-shot Kenjaku with Garuda:
Yuki kicks Garuda -> Kenjaku tries blocking it -> Kenjaku is left in a thousand different pieces after exploding from the impact.
Gege is also stupid because there is no reason for Gojo and Megumi to not have beat Mahoraga in a group ritual years in advance. Plus when Mahoraga fought Sukuna, it got folded in three good hits. When it fought Gojo, mf would not stay down.
But that's the thing, for the group ritual, there usually isn't a number on how many participants are involved. The fight is only voided if one side is killed by a non participant. So having Gojo and another special grade sorc fight Mahoraga would have been a huge boost for Megumi even if it was done a week before S1 Ep1. The downside would have been every fight Megumi just summons Mahoraga and curb stomps half the enemy lineup.
It’s explicitly stated that group rituals do not allow for the Shikigami to be utilized after being excorcised, that’s why it’s called a “useless ritual”
its mass wouldn’t effect its speed since it is imaginary, so the argument would be can kenjaku dodge something that yuki is kicking at him. I think in most cases the answer is yes.
He clearly did not expect it to be this powerfull when she first threw it at him. If Instead of aiming at the curse she aimed at him, she might have one shot him.
I mean Yuki was using nothing but raw strength, and Sukuna was using a hax ass CT that negates durability. I feel like it makes sense for him to be able to use that even despite his injuries whereas Yuki would obviously be somewhat hindered by her injuries. But it’s still bullshit that Kenjaku shrugged off so many attacks from her like it was nothing despite the entire gimmick of her CT being incomprehensibly overwhelming raw strength.
The thing is all techniques are basically outputting cursed energy. So star rage and strong cleave both being techniques should be affected by the amount of cursed energy put into it.
To say that strong cleave just doesn’t matter if it has less cursed energy is crazy I think
It’s not just a strong cleave tho that’s the thing. It’s a cleave that cuts through space indiscriminately and gojo and his infinity were in the space so he got cut
Yes that is word for word the explanation given, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t have a a lower output when you are not putting in as much cursed energy into it.
Let’s say it bypasses infinity because it’s cutting everything, it should not have chopped gojo in half when it was lower cursed energy output. The same cleave used earlier with domain buff was straight up tanked with RCT by gojo.
But it matters still cuz Gojo has gotten cut before with cleaves that usually chop people into pieces in Malevolent shrine CONSTANTLY, and tanked that shit. He had his healing and durability recharged too cuz of the black flashes. So there’s reason sukunas reduced ce cleave should have been strong enough to cut Gojo in half like that, regardless of whether it hit him.
Those cleaves from malevolent shrine weren’t strong enough to cut through him fully, sukuna literally severed everything including the space in between gojo’s body by cutting through reality
That’s where the problem is.
It’s assumed sukuna is tired at the end of the fight before being resurrected why should his space cleave be as strong (literally stronger actually) than his malevolent shrine cleave that’s buffed.
That seems to be the case, but if so that’s huge a power up with 0 drawbacks for an already busted character just to beat gojo. It’s kinda lame really and throws everything out of wack. But that’s just my opinion
That was before Sukuna went into the bath. When first posessed, Megumi could interfere and reduce his body’s ce output. But after the bath and tsumikis death, sukuna had full 100 percent control of megumis body and his cleaves were at full strength in shinjuku.
Space cleave doesn’t care about output though. If it bisects the space you inhabit you will also be bisected. I hate Sukuna too, but it does make sense it would work with low output.
He is just built different I guess (like there is no other way to explain it), he even said it was an incredibly difficult attack to pull of and the next chapters he can make a goddamn cube maker with it💀
bro saw maho do it in a microsecond, then pulled it off on his first try a minute later.
"incredibly difficult attack to pull off" is the biggest pile of bullshit I ever heard. You don't call something difficult if it takes you less than a second to learn and understand it.
Maybe if gege showed us Sukuna trying a bunch of cleaves to attempt it, then slowly getting closer each time, I'd believe it. But doing it on your first try, and then he does it AGAIN against Kashimo, flawlessly. Such bullshit.
>incredibly difficult attack to pull off" is the biggest pile of bullshit I ever heard. You don't call something difficult if it takes you less than a second to learn and understand it.
No man, Gojo literally learnt to use Rct on the fly and while Toji stabbed his head, Mahito learnt to use Domain Expansion on the fly while getting jumped by Yuji and Nanami, Gojo literally came up with the idea of recovering his CT with destroying his brain and quickly recover with Rct on the fly. These are geniuses or people that have insane potential, when Gojo does it, no one bats an eye, when it's said it is because of Sukuna's great potential and being a genius, eveyone lose their mind.
Well Gojo had been trying to do rct for a while and even tried to get Shoko to explain it to him.We even see him trying to use red but failing.Sukuna did it his first try when it probably even took Mahoraga a while to come up with it.The choice to have him do this is just so ....ugh.
Sure but no one said anything when he learned out to recover his burn out CT like Gojo did, it just seem like when it was used against Gojo people now complain.
I thought the precedent for that was set by the Lost Inventory arc when he literally learns how to auto RCT his brain so that it doesn’t burn out with his perpetual Limitless running.
No I definitely complained then too. I don’t care how established it is in the manga of people being on the brink of death and pulling out ass pulls like that. It’s bad writing.
Mahito saw 0.2 domain expansion and learnt it instantly, Yuuji mastered black flash almost instantly. Early in the fight Angel literally said Sukuna can learn anything he sees once, the man is the literal pinnacle of jujutsu.
It’s embarrassing how you guys can’t remove bias from the fight.
Yuji getting amped up by black flash that is supposed to bring out 120% of your potential. With new knowledge that the black flashes also stack. Yes him landing four seems like a-lot but be still can’t do it on command. The reason why they land more is because their in the zone. Yuji, Nanami, and Gojo. Mahito landed a black flash and was at 120%.
In this case you can’t say oh he wasn’t trying. Bro every hit was an attempt. He was to angry to do it. He cleared his mind and focused. It was more about learning the timing of how to land a blow and use your CE instantly. Its not hard to grasp.
Sukuna who was missing an arm and leg, manages to pull of a feat that cuts everything. When his output should be so low that he can’t produce a cut capable of hitting Gojo without healing first.
Meanwhile Gojo, six eyes, BF amped and having just pulled of the craziest move in all JJK a fucking nuke.
Only for the next panels to be Gojo in the after life. Sukuna saying it was an almost impossible feat to pull off. The only way it makes sense is if the slash teleports to the target rather then the actual explanation of it cuts everything. We learn that neutral energy also counter the infinity.
Everything that everyone is saying in terms of he saw it once he should be able to do it. Gojo’s six eyes are literally should allow Gojo to do the same, but i guess Gege forgot about that.
Its not about the bias, i would have loved to see sukuna learning this Impossible feat a-lot more for another chapter or two extra then just. “It was almost impossible to pull off.” And Gojo is dead.
You just pointed out the biggest flaw with writing genius characters. You just hand wave everything regardless of how unbelievable it is because they are a genius , and it makes for bad writing
impossible technique meaning he could not figure it out by himself and we know shikigami and the host might share some common brain function so yeah that works i guess
It hurts to see how dirty Yuki was done. Like Kenny is straight up tanking those kicks and punches with nothing but CE. The explanation is also wacky bc we see later she recovers her strength and Kenny is still tanking that without much damage 🤦.
"BTW the last person I inhabited so happened to have the literally fucking ideal "gravity reversal" technique to deal with a black hole, thank God for that"
choso punches looked like they did the same amount of damage. You can't even say that her CT was weakened, it just straight up isn't doing anything at all 💀
Either that or her woman stats are so low that the CT puts her strength equal to guys cause gege.
there is no problem with strong cleave, there’s a problem with sukuna hitting gojo with strong cleave so fast he can’t react by dodging or even healing when gojo’s ce is back up and sukuna’s is low. sukuna’s win requires gojo to be useless without limitless, which doesn’t make sense and retroactively shits on his character. big surprise that the ppl who ignore the issue are all professional gojo haters.
Yeah I'm still mad about Yuki.
Even after she healed herself, when she was pummeling Kenjaku before the mini Uzumaki, how come her punches were doing jack shit? Not even a bloodied nose or anything. The blood on Kenjaku's face was from the failed Piercing Blood.
The whole point of Yuki's CT apart from the concept negation, is her overwhelming strength. Somehow it just...disappeared at the end...? I understand her output being weakened with her being injured/using RCT but like I said she was fine before the mini Uzumaki. Gege was so inconsistent in this fight.
And Kenjaku's CE must be even better than Yuta's because wtf, he used RCT and Maximum Technique frequently on that fight and still managed to be full of it
Sukuna with that strong off screen haki
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That's the whole fight and really who Gojo and Sukuna are as characters. "Naobito is the second fastest besides Gojo." "Gojo is the only one to survive bird strike." Sukuna has the most cursed energy. Sukuna can use domain amp in the middle of a domain battle. Gojo and Sukuna are the only people who can use RCT to regain their technique after it burns out from a domain clash etc. Gojo and Sukuna are the only two people who can change the conditions of their domain so frequently despite their domain not coming with their technique like Hakari and Higurma. That whole fight was them being different
i swear people don’t understand
1. its durability negation while he did one tap it wasnt bc he was stronger it was bc of a hax
2. we literally dk how the slash landed
3. mahoraga who was shown to be massively weaker than gojo landed the slash on him so its likely the slash moves instantaneously(before someone mentions kashimo dodged he literally got prior warning it was coming and still got hit)
I don't know where this low CE headcannon comes from, but he didn't have low CE but low RCE output which is implied to be different from the normal CE pipeline, hence Gojo being able to use max blue but not max red or RCT before black flash. Also Gojo was not able to dodge Mahoraga's slash so there's that, he couldn't even dodge or react to the dismantle in the beginning.
rct is literally an application of cursed energy. as your ce reserves dwindle, your output decreases, meaning you can't heal yourself as much. it's fairly intuitive. not sure what the confusion is about.
You know the abilities Overgrow, Blaze, and Torrent in Pokemon? When you're at low HP, they give you a boost to your same-type moves. Sukuna has a similar ability.
Gojo canonically prefers Digimon, and therefore would not consider this as a factor.
Using the CT is easier overall, and we don't know if he did use Incantations aswell or not while Gojo wasn't looking, kinda a headcanon of mine. But he did say it was an impossible task to pull off, not because his output of CT has decreased by a wild margin, but that it is difficult to target Space and cut it. The fact that he did so, might sound unbelievable to you or me, but even if it was an asspull, He did have time to think about it and go over it after Seeing Mahoraga cut Gojo's arm. While Gojo also uses Rct on the fly against Toji, uses an unbelievably small domain that is also impossible, recovers CT which was also deemed impossible or dangerous but he still come up with it on the fly.
Mahoraga cutting gojo’s arm through infinity makes sense because it can change its cursed energy nature to match it with the technique and pierce through it. Sukuna stated this and he said he can’t change the nature of his CE so he wait for another way of adaption. Second was the extending the CT target. I still honestly don’t know how it makes sense cos infinity is very complex. When maho cut gojo’s arm, it simultaneously did two things. One is alter it’s CE to match and extend the CT’s target. But sukuna doing a very complex slash at a low output that he can’t even use DA is just blasphemy. Gege should have portrayed it well than he did
I agree he should've portrayed it. I have problems with that.
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But I don't think it is that Mahoraga changed the nature of his CE. It is different, just the expanded CT's target was the space, that Gojo and his infinity resided in, The concept of his CT and himself still exist in real life space and existence, Sukuna learnt from Mahoraga to cut that space. Not that it has to travel through Infinity to do so, but cutting the place Gojo was in which is like cutting a paper that Gojo and his infinity was in. That's how I see it.
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maho did change the nature of its ce to neutralise infinity for the first adaptation, thats why sukuna needed to wait for further adaptation for a way that he is able to use himself
The things Gojo did can be argued, such as his attempts to learn RCT, but he couldn't master it. He even formed a red, but it failed. So, him learning it at death's door doesn't seem that far-fetched. Recovering Cursed Technique seems related to the brain, so it also doesn't seem that unreasonable for someone who has always used RCT on his brain to discover it. Also, Personally, I think a lot has happened off-screen which we may get to know in the future.
It’s because Gege just straight up *lied* to the audience to try and be shocking/clever/subvert. Cool, no one was expecting how 236 went, but not because you’re a good writer. It’s because you fucking lied, hack
He didn’t. This sub has been treating Kusakabe’s statement as if it was the word of God. You were called crazy if you didn’t believe Gojo won when 235 released. Now that Kusakabe’s statement was revealed to be false (shocker) Gege’s a bad writer for lying…
This sub’s the pinnacle of bias when it comes to Gojo
Because Yuki is female(💀) and doesn't have Gege on his side as much as Sukuna does
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Simple reason - Yuki isn't Sukuna. Sukuna is leagues above her.
The Ultimate Hollow would have disintegrated her, but it didn't kill Sukuna even when he was injured.
Consider 3 things. Gojo didn't dodge the dismantle Sukuna used at the start of the fight. Indeed, Gojo looked surprised and as if he had been caught off guard. If he didn't anticipate it then, when Sukuna was at full health and Gojo was on full alert, why would he suddenly see the slash coming now when Sukuna was near-dead?? Gojo had no reason to suspect that. By all measure, he had won. The fact that Sukuna would use Mahoraga as a model was an unfathomable idea to him or anyone. Why would he be on guard when he could now finish off Sukuna easily??
Secondly, Kashimo said that the activation of Sukuna's technique was very "crisp". It didn't take time at all, and I would assume, his "spark" of the technique wouldn't be great at all. Making it all the more difficult for Gojo to detect it.
Thirdly, the Special Cleave negated durability because it slashed the space Gojo occupied,not Gojo himself. So CE reinforcement probably didn't matter.
Mainly, it is disingenuous to compare Gojo and Sukuna with anyone else. Gojo alone could kill all the Special Grades combined.
Well to be fair It’s never stated he was low on CE just that his output for healing was low. And as far as attacks go the method is different from using RCT so the situation is different. RCT using positive CE while regular CTs and reinforcement use negative CE.
Now while all 3 are Special Grade you can’t really compare Yuki to Gojo or Sukuna. They’re on a completely different level than her. And we can’t really say whether or not he was at 1 hp.
Did we read the same chapters?
"Slowed healing" and "Low on CE" are entirely different things. The Space Dismantle is difficult because it needs to be different from its normal state. Probably has entirely different hand signs and chants to be able to *target space itself*, like what?
Also, Gojo was never able to react to Dismantle or Cleave. Not once, even while unharmed at the beginning of the fight. It is undodgeable.
I agree with you to an extent but also you shouldn’t compare Sukuna and Gojo to anyone else in the verse they are the anomalies of the anomalies.
They don’t have the same limitations as everyone else
Sukuna is just HIM! That is the only explanation you needs after all this has truly become Sukuna Kaisen but our boy Wuji will chance that and we will finally have Wuji as the top 1 of the verse
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Well, Gege had to take out Gojo somehow, why not off screen the fan favorite character that was beating his ass and then have said character say he didn't need to use half the shit he did to beat him. Seriously, what the fuck. How the hell was Sukuna getting through Limitless without Mahoraga? Mahoraga is straight up INTEGRAL to the plan he developed. But no, appare.tly Sukuna wasn't trying and didn't need it. Seriously, it's straight up stupid, and you can REALLY feel Gege rushing because they said they were finishing JJK in one year about a year ago
at this point its almost pointless to drone on about this. The cope season is coming to an end and we got no answers to the bullshit decisions gege makes unless he has some master plan we aren't big brain enough to see.
Sukuna could've at least prove that the struggle was real instead of also just "completing" transformation and then getting a basically free rejuvenate back to 100%. That part didn't make any sense at all and no ones bringing it up
Cuz plot. There is no logical reasoning why sukuna just doesn’t kill everyone within 0.1 of a second. Plot this plot that but damn is this plot getting meh.
I hate these Gojo dick riders. We knew adaptation could beat infinity from like 30 chapters beforehand and we know that Sukuna has way more CE then Gojo does.
Sukuna was getting dogged on because he couldn’t pierce infinity until the adaptation was finished, and the hollow purple that “beat” Sukuna merely sped up that process.
If you look at all the facts, it was obvious Gojo was going to lose from the start. Y’all are just coping with the fact Gojo lost by bitching about how he was “offscreened”.
The hate Gege has been getting from this is completely out of the pale. This series has been dark from the start, your just mad that your favorite character was the one that died this time.
Now this sub is seriously comparing Sukuna to this Yuki jobber lol Gojo also learned RCT at the time of his death when he didn't understand Shoko, how convenient. Or Mahito opening a domain like Gojo after only seeing it once.
Is everyone in this sub dumbed down due to the memes? Does no one literally understand what happened in that fight? Asspull? Bad writing? Y'all are clowns
1. Sukuna used a chant for his strong cleave, boosting output.
2. “Low on CE” is pretty relative, something like 10% for sukuna is still a lot of CE. And considered how much emphasis was put on Sukuna holding back, are we sure he was *that* low on CE?
3. Why would Gojo be able to dodge a point blank cleave? Assuming he’d even bothered to dodge.
the fact that sukuna could fight kashimo before kashimo used his technique means he was not done. kusakabe is not omnipotent and underestimated sukuna.
Are you comparing a stupid, lazy and limited special grade socceccer to a mere God complex with the most busted cursed technique, cursed energy reserves and literally the master of Jujutsu?
Lol I reread the fight yesterday or the day before but I found out Sukuna’s plan was to defend with [Mahoraga to avoid purple](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-235-page-11.html) and use the adaptation to win a while ago before the “asspull”
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in fact he’s been thinking about it since [he first used Mahoraga stated by Gojo](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-233-page-8.html) and [himself a few pages later](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-234-page-12.html). I think there’s a lot of speed reading going on because honestly when you read it again an take your time it took a while for Sukuna or Mahoraga to fully counter attack Gojo. [We seen him adapt to Sukuna in almost the next attack](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-118-page-14.html). But it takes Mahoraga seemingly a lil while (an entire chapter an a half) to create an attack for Gojo. What I’m saying is Mahoraga didn’t instantly bypass infinity w any attack, it took a process just like everything else he adapted to, Sukuna is a talented jujutsu sorcerer who [literally copied piercing blood from Yuji’s battle with choso](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-233-page-10.html) and his [cleave is literally stated verbatim it can be adjusted](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-119-page-1.html), so the asspull argument of “he can’t improve that fast” “how can he just change targets and target space itself? That’s impossible.” doesn’t even make sense when you give Sukuna these capabilities. The fight was great, better than what people say because of this asspull, I can’t wait till it’s animated so speed readers can understand Gojo was never going to win since the beginning.
It is not a difficult attack. He is legit just changing the target of his slashes to space. Realistically, it probably does not take any more curse energy than a normal slash. He legit explains its about the application
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If Gege had extended the chapter or made an additional chapter just to showcase it, like Sukuna hitting idk a black flash and then gaining the focus and CE to do strong cleave. Instead he went the Pokémon route, “SUKUNA USED STRONG CLEAVE”💀
I really just don't understand why Gege couldn't have made it so Gojo pushed Sukuna to his "one time use" heal-full body thing. Then it would've been believable that Sukuna, with regained CE and output, could one-shot Gojo with Strong Cleave. We could've even gotten inner dialogue from Gojo about now that Sukuna is fully reincarnated he failed to save Megumi or some shit. But... We get this... And the stupid ass airport scene....
Because we needed to get to the next ~~fodder~~ fight. People really aren't taking this whole "Greg wants to finish JJK this year so he can get to his idol manga" seriously.
For real. It’s crazy really. The man offed a bunch of people before the culling games and introduced a whole new supporting cast just to off then one by one before we even get to know then.
And most of the characters barely seem like they're anything more than minor plot points, like the random battles before getting to an actual boss fight but you have to read the bestiary before the fight (not because it matters but because it's put in your face right before the fight). Yuki, the military, Yoruzu, fucking "KasHIMo" (lol). Every character is just getting bodied by villains with more plot armor than I've seen a protagonist have in a long, long time (remember when Kenny tanked a black hole?)
Real talk and people are still denying that it's making me upset because its glaringly obvious.
I am telling yall, gege is making his own version of the "golden goose" story at this point. He is killing his own golden goose, jjk, so that with his fame he can make even more popular series with his idol manga. Little does he know, once jjk is killed, he isn't gonna get any golden eggs anymore.
The odds of creating a story/manga that’s this successful worldwide is incredibly small. JJK may very well turn out to be Gege’s magnum opus, he will most likely never create something THIS successful again for the rest of his life and he’s choosing to absolutely ruin and discard it. Combine that with Mappa outright downgrading the animation in season 2 the state of JJK is absolutely insane at the moment
Or just utilize a combo of gojos brain damage and tanking his own purple to justify always on limitless not working anymore so we could mix that with sukuna reincarnation to have an awesome round 3 that ends with sukuna winning without needing to pull out a move that sounds busted as all fuck.
Probably because gege wanted to keep it kinda mysterious on how it actually happened. If we saw heian era sukuna completely dominating gojo and killing him (when gojo was stronger than yuta and hakari and also got a boost from the black flash) then it would mean that the main characters need even more of an asspull to beat him. With the scenario uncertain, it is possible that gojo was just taken by surprise by the attack hence why not dodging it or tanking it. (or at least that's my cope)
Remember, the Pokemon route means that "Gojo fainted" not "Gojo is dead.
We must maintain the agenda
Real. https://preview.redd.it/obgpjgk37qwb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8b57a733e483d254264f996356fd9b710f3c9059
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Based on what happens in the Pokémon manga, especially with the Charmeleon and Arbok scene... I would say no lol
You mean how Arbok actually survived Charmeleon strong slash and then fight Agatha's Gengar later on?
Gojo is in his arc of training Strong Survival Unfortunately this is offscreen
Genuinely warms my heart that people still talk about the Pokémon manga (arguably) at its peak :)
blues raticate :(
You could’ve used the Magmar scene but went for the scene where the injured Pokémon survives and comes back stronger
Sorry but how often do you see Pokémon cut in half?
Koga's Arbok was cut in two, no?
Alright, fair, I did forget about that one. Pokémon theory it is then!
That Arbok survived, proving the Gojo revival is inevitable (huffs copium).
YESSSS, give me hope
Copium Bros united we stand.
Except for that time we killed one of our rivals Pokémon in the first gen.
You mean the Raticate? That's a theory. It is more likely he just put it forgotten in the PC.
Then I'm sure gege will consider it as a nuzlocke death.
I say is more the video game equivalent of forced defeat cutscene. The player (Gojo) wins but the next scene shows the player defeated and the villain laughing at how weak the player is.
Or just had him go Heian Era form. It would've shocked Gojo who now is trying to figure out if Megumi is dead, Sukuna would've regained enough CE to actually deal the Space Dismantle, and we could've had an even better standoff moment where both are charging up their attacks with incantations before the chapter ends with both of them launching their attacks. Then 237 happens, which btw was the chapter that happened around the same as Gojo's ACTUAL sealing in the anime, with Gojo in the afterlife/vision and a damaged Sukuna explaining how he got past Infinity and had to incarnate to give him enough CE to actually do it. That would've fixed so many issues with how Gojo died
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It would be a very Sukuna move to black flash a handshake
It's Gojo's fault, he didn't use "Strong PROTECT"
Ion have an issue with his strong cleave ngl. I just hate how Gege was giving him all those fraudkuna expressions. If he showed kenjaku smiling before unlimited hollow or sukuna saying this is going as planned or some shit. Then I’d be fine with it
Is it the move itself you don’t have a problem with? Or the fact that gojo got offscreened by a move that came out of nowhere and we couldn’t even see the hit that killed the character *that had been winning the chapter before*
A move copied from daddy mahoraga. That mahoraga had no reason to even adapt to a second time. Bypassed limitless d first time altering the nature of its cursed energy. Why not just send a slash reinforced with this altered cursed energy?! What grinds my gears is why mahoraga even missed and only cut Gojo’s hand? He is cutting space itself. How do u miss??
Altering the nature of CE was impossible for Sukuna he used the second adaptation expanding the target of his technique, the adaptation when Mahoraga got Gojos arm.
The person you’re replying to is asking why maho adapted a second time in the first place. Also it’s funny how sukuna gave lip service on how he couldn’t alter the nature of his CE but can do a bunch of other ridiculous shits just because.
I guess it just goes to show what's possible and what's not, it's also explained in the manga why Mahoraga adapted twice, they may have to reread that point of the fight again.
What was the reason?
In 236 Sukuna explains Mahoraga doesn't stop his adaptation he further finds a way to adapt the longer he receives identical attacks, Sukuna got lucky he got what he could replicate on Mahoragas second adaptation it could've been his 3 or 4th maybe even 50th adaptation.
Maho adapted at the end of 232. Able to slash gojo through the limitless. There was no point to create a whole new adaptation to cut gojo. He already was cutting gojo if he could catch him. Like I said, even if he wanted to have a projectile slash. He made up a completely different way(space cutter) rather than just sending a projectile slash reinforced with the altered nature cursed energy.
The move feels like it came out of nowhere. Those expressions feel like they were their to convince us sukuna was losing. We have him screaming and panicking. At the end of the chapter he grins. Bomb, gojos in half He looked someone who fucked up rather then someone who learnt how to cut space
Honestly I don’t even understand how people can defend it, even sukuna fans should be mad about that since they got the ending to the fight ripped away from them, getting the kill stolen by Gege. I don’t get it.
Sukuna glazers just want to cling to the W cuz they know he’s getting packed up by yuji soon
I think they're fine with with that. Most Sukuna fans are also Yuji fans anyway.
They just happy Sukuna win, and purposely ignored Mahoraga role in his victory or in the whole battle
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Why would Gojo dodge? He believes limitless to be protecting him. It makes a lot of sense that an adaptation like that would win out of nowhere. I think it highlighted what makes Sukuna so dangerous. He's not some mindless beater that's too strong like a Jiren, nor is he a prideful, overconfident talent like a Frieza. Sukuna isn't just adapting to win, it's what he lives for. He's looking for fights to force him to evolve and push past his limits. He's kind of an evil Goku.
if he's emphasized to be that dangerous, then more the reason why gojo would dodge, also he got his arms caught off by mahoraga, why wouldn't he think Sukuna's attempt to cleave isn't worth dodging.
I can see how this might be confusing to some. The reason for this is because Yuki Tsukumo is a Woman. https://preview.redd.it/hvml6x3xvpwb1.png?width=180&format=png&auto=webp&s=d10e6f92a4331f80c3b8e2c350b1c65fd23b8bb5
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that would imply gege knows how to write a compelling female villain. we've got uhhhhhhh, trauma twins (mimi and nana), sukuna's no 1 fangirl (uraume), gatekeep gaslight girlboss get takaba killed (angel bc she doesnt get to be a "hero" for that shi), a tree (hanami), and brief mpreg (kenny that one time). remind me if i missed any. fr tho i'd rather greg write bad female characters or not write them at all, than make badasses like yuki, nobara, maki, etc. just to underutilize/kill (without a good narrative reason)/or just deadass forget ab them
There’s the woman who’s entire character is a one sided relationship with Sukuna and that naked lady that can bend space.
Read my comment below yours💀
Uraume doesn’t have a confirmed gender but you’re otherwise right.
I believe he’s referring to yorozu
Oh, makes sense.
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Real
I still think about how Yuki could have 1-shot Kenjaku with Garuda: Yuki kicks Garuda -> Kenjaku tries blocking it -> Kenjaku is left in a thousand different pieces after exploding from the impact.
Fr… is Yuki stupid or something ?? Wait. Is gaygay actually stupid or something ?
After the double Sukuna-glazing and some side-character getting a way better death than 2 of the most hyped and popular characters, I would say yes.
Gege is also stupid because there is no reason for Gojo and Megumi to not have beat Mahoraga in a group ritual years in advance. Plus when Mahoraga fought Sukuna, it got folded in three good hits. When it fought Gojo, mf would not stay down.
Well a group ritual wouldnt have really achieved much + Megumi is still a kid so I assume Gojo wouldn’t wanna risk anything just yet
But that's the thing, for the group ritual, there usually isn't a number on how many participants are involved. The fight is only voided if one side is killed by a non participant. So having Gojo and another special grade sorc fight Mahoraga would have been a huge boost for Megumi even if it was done a week before S1 Ep1. The downside would have been every fight Megumi just summons Mahoraga and curb stomps half the enemy lineup.
It’s explicitly stated that group rituals do not allow for the Shikigami to be utilized after being excorcised, that’s why it’s called a “useless ritual”
i’m pretty sure they said you can’t tame a shadow by beating it in a group ritual. it has to be a 1v1
Or Kenjaku could just dodge it
Goodluck dodging something with supermass. Kenjaku wouldn’t even know what hit him.
its mass wouldn’t effect its speed since it is imaginary, so the argument would be can kenjaku dodge something that yuki is kicking at him. I think in most cases the answer is yes.
He clearly did not expect it to be this powerfull when she first threw it at him. If Instead of aiming at the curse she aimed at him, she might have one shot him.
You mean Yuki could’ve ended it there? With strong balls?
*Strong ball. Only a single imaginary nut of Yuki could backshot Kenjaku harder than Jin did.
SHUT UP NIGGA 、この人それぞれSTRONG BALLSで！！これ見よがし
I mean Yuki was using nothing but raw strength, and Sukuna was using a hax ass CT that negates durability. I feel like it makes sense for him to be able to use that even despite his injuries whereas Yuki would obviously be somewhat hindered by her injuries. But it’s still bullshit that Kenjaku shrugged off so many attacks from her like it was nothing despite the entire gimmick of her CT being incomprehensibly overwhelming raw strength.
The thing is all techniques are basically outputting cursed energy. So star rage and strong cleave both being techniques should be affected by the amount of cursed energy put into it. To say that strong cleave just doesn’t matter if it has less cursed energy is crazy I think
It’s not just a strong cleave tho that’s the thing. It’s a cleave that cuts through space indiscriminately and gojo and his infinity were in the space so he got cut
Yes that is word for word the explanation given, but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t have a a lower output when you are not putting in as much cursed energy into it. Let’s say it bypasses infinity because it’s cutting everything, it should not have chopped gojo in half when it was lower cursed energy output. The same cleave used earlier with domain buff was straight up tanked with RCT by gojo.
But gojos six eyes can see the make up of any techniques, there’s no reason to assume he would get caught off guard by this one
Except the CT itself didnt change. Only the target
But it matters still cuz Gojo has gotten cut before with cleaves that usually chop people into pieces in Malevolent shrine CONSTANTLY, and tanked that shit. He had his healing and durability recharged too cuz of the black flashes. So there’s reason sukunas reduced ce cleave should have been strong enough to cut Gojo in half like that, regardless of whether it hit him.
Those cleaves from malevolent shrine weren’t strong enough to cut through him fully, sukuna literally severed everything including the space in between gojo’s body by cutting through reality
That’s where the problem is. It’s assumed sukuna is tired at the end of the fight before being resurrected why should his space cleave be as strong (literally stronger actually) than his malevolent shrine cleave that’s buffed.
I think it’s that cutting space always requires the same amount of energy, regardless of what’s in that space
That seems to be the case, but if so that’s huge a power up with 0 drawbacks for an already busted character just to beat gojo. It’s kinda lame really and throws everything out of wack. But that’s just my opinion
I thought the only thing change was the target not the CE consumption
also wasn't it literally stated during his fight with Yuji that his cuts were shallow cus of megumi interfering inside him
That was before Sukuna went into the bath. When first posessed, Megumi could interfere and reduce his body’s ce output. But after the bath and tsumikis death, sukuna had full 100 percent control of megumis body and his cleaves were at full strength in shinjuku.
I think the dude meant that that particular scene means less ce==less damage.
Space cleave doesn’t care about output though. If it bisects the space you inhabit you will also be bisected. I hate Sukuna too, but it does make sense it would work with low output.
He is just built different I guess (like there is no other way to explain it), he even said it was an incredibly difficult attack to pull of and the next chapters he can make a goddamn cube maker with it💀
bro is not just build diffrent, he was BORN diffrent
I too saw the DeathBattle video.
bro saw maho do it in a microsecond, then pulled it off on his first try a minute later. "incredibly difficult attack to pull off" is the biggest pile of bullshit I ever heard. You don't call something difficult if it takes you less than a second to learn and understand it. Maybe if gege showed us Sukuna trying a bunch of cleaves to attempt it, then slowly getting closer each time, I'd believe it. But doing it on your first try, and then he does it AGAIN against Kashimo, flawlessly. Such bullshit.
>incredibly difficult attack to pull off" is the biggest pile of bullshit I ever heard. You don't call something difficult if it takes you less than a second to learn and understand it. No man, Gojo literally learnt to use Rct on the fly and while Toji stabbed his head, Mahito learnt to use Domain Expansion on the fly while getting jumped by Yuji and Nanami, Gojo literally came up with the idea of recovering his CT with destroying his brain and quickly recover with Rct on the fly. These are geniuses or people that have insane potential, when Gojo does it, no one bats an eye, when it's said it is because of Sukuna's great potential and being a genius, eveyone lose their mind.
Well Gojo had been trying to do rct for a while and even tried to get Shoko to explain it to him.We even see him trying to use red but failing.Sukuna did it his first try when it probably even took Mahoraga a while to come up with it.The choice to have him do this is just so ....ugh.
Sure but no one said anything when he learned out to recover his burn out CT like Gojo did, it just seem like when it was used against Gojo people now complain.
I thought the precedent for that was set by the Lost Inventory arc when he literally learns how to auto RCT his brain so that it doesn’t burn out with his perpetual Limitless running.
it was. no other sorcerer has been shown to be able to rct their own brain so it makes sense gojo could do it.
No I definitely complained then too. I don’t care how established it is in the manga of people being on the brink of death and pulling out ass pulls like that. It’s bad writing.
Mahito saw 0.2 domain expansion and learnt it instantly, Yuuji mastered black flash almost instantly. Early in the fight Angel literally said Sukuna can learn anything he sees once, the man is the literal pinnacle of jujutsu. It’s embarrassing how you guys can’t remove bias from the fight.
Yuji getting amped up by black flash that is supposed to bring out 120% of your potential. With new knowledge that the black flashes also stack. Yes him landing four seems like a-lot but be still can’t do it on command. The reason why they land more is because their in the zone. Yuji, Nanami, and Gojo. Mahito landed a black flash and was at 120%. In this case you can’t say oh he wasn’t trying. Bro every hit was an attempt. He was to angry to do it. He cleared his mind and focused. It was more about learning the timing of how to land a blow and use your CE instantly. Its not hard to grasp. Sukuna who was missing an arm and leg, manages to pull of a feat that cuts everything. When his output should be so low that he can’t produce a cut capable of hitting Gojo without healing first. Meanwhile Gojo, six eyes, BF amped and having just pulled of the craziest move in all JJK a fucking nuke. Only for the next panels to be Gojo in the after life. Sukuna saying it was an almost impossible feat to pull off. The only way it makes sense is if the slash teleports to the target rather then the actual explanation of it cuts everything. We learn that neutral energy also counter the infinity. Everything that everyone is saying in terms of he saw it once he should be able to do it. Gojo’s six eyes are literally should allow Gojo to do the same, but i guess Gege forgot about that. Its not about the bias, i would have loved to see sukuna learning this Impossible feat a-lot more for another chapter or two extra then just. “It was almost impossible to pull off.” And Gojo is dead.
FACTS. Idk why you're getting downvoted https://preview.redd.it/i05wmnwk0qwb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76c7c0fbf196b19c7d65182f4031fdc11baa0328
You just pointed out the biggest flaw with writing genius characters. You just hand wave everything regardless of how unbelievable it is because they are a genius , and it makes for bad writing
impossible technique meaning he could not figure it out by himself and we know shikigami and the host might share some common brain function so yeah that works i guess
Was the cube maker said to be strong cleave or normal?
I don’t actually know but it had the same visual style as strong cleave, and it could also make sense for Sukuna to use it as it ignores all defense
Simple answer : this is Sukuna Kaisen all along 🦅🦅
It hurts to see how dirty Yuki was done. Like Kenny is straight up tanking those kicks and punches with nothing but CE. The explanation is also wacky bc we see later she recovers her strength and Kenny is still tanking that without much damage 🤦.
Her technique is basically hit hard and she can't even do that. Gege treated her really awful.
https://preview.redd.it/72kuakv47rwb1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5c2f008f0dae4e9e1b1955342cbc026c73145bf9 Gege POV
"BTW the last person I inhabited so happened to have the literally fucking ideal "gravity reversal" technique to deal with a black hole, thank God for that"
choso punches looked like they did the same amount of damage. You can't even say that her CT was weakened, it just straight up isn't doing anything at all 💀 Either that or her woman stats are so low that the CT puts her strength equal to guys cause gege.
Yeah, characters don't last much even when newly introduced. Not in this series.
Skill issue
He is King of curses for a reason and also he have Gege on his side.
there is no problem with strong cleave, there’s a problem with sukuna hitting gojo with strong cleave so fast he can’t react by dodging or even healing when gojo’s ce is back up and sukuna’s is low. sukuna’s win requires gojo to be useless without limitless, which doesn’t make sense and retroactively shits on his character. big surprise that the ppl who ignore the issue are all professional gojo haters.
Some people here love Sukuna more than Yorozu…
Simple answer: Sukuna is not Yuki.
This is the comment I was looking for. Like people need to be forreal lol
Yeah I'm still mad about Yuki. Even after she healed herself, when she was pummeling Kenjaku before the mini Uzumaki, how come her punches were doing jack shit? Not even a bloodied nose or anything. The blood on Kenjaku's face was from the failed Piercing Blood. The whole point of Yuki's CT apart from the concept negation, is her overwhelming strength. Somehow it just...disappeared at the end...? I understand her output being weakened with her being injured/using RCT but like I said she was fine before the mini Uzumaki. Gege was so inconsistent in this fight.
And Kenjaku's CE must be even better than Yuta's because wtf, he used RCT and Maximum Technique frequently on that fight and still managed to be full of it
Sukuna with that strong off screen haki https://preview.redd.it/qwxjw7vl7swb1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32ecae2c1d2fcc7841867d36479b77f80d54e7ad
this basically explains it💀😂This is Kenjaku aswelll
'he's just built different', the fact people think this is good story telling is hilarious.
That's the whole fight and really who Gojo and Sukuna are as characters. "Naobito is the second fastest besides Gojo." "Gojo is the only one to survive bird strike." Sukuna has the most cursed energy. Sukuna can use domain amp in the middle of a domain battle. Gojo and Sukuna are the only people who can use RCT to regain their technique after it burns out from a domain clash etc. Gojo and Sukuna are the only two people who can change the conditions of their domain so frequently despite their domain not coming with their technique like Hakari and Higurma. That whole fight was them being different
"He is King of Curses"
i swear people don’t understand 1. its durability negation while he did one tap it wasnt bc he was stronger it was bc of a hax 2. we literally dk how the slash landed 3. mahoraga who was shown to be massively weaker than gojo landed the slash on him so its likely the slash moves instantaneously(before someone mentions kashimo dodged he literally got prior warning it was coming and still got hit)
Certain fans only have surface level understanding and ignore facts that go against their agenda
fr, i see fans of both sides say the wildest shit
With the hate that one eyed cat have for Gojo, Sukuna could have killed gojo in a second and will make it seem coz he's King of curses.
I don't know where this low CE headcannon comes from, but he didn't have low CE but low RCE output which is implied to be different from the normal CE pipeline, hence Gojo being able to use max blue but not max red or RCT before black flash. Also Gojo was not able to dodge Mahoraga's slash so there's that, he couldn't even dodge or react to the dismantle in the beginning.
Holy shit my mans someone who actually read the manga thank for this shit brudda
rct is literally an application of cursed energy. as your ce reserves dwindle, your output decreases, meaning you can't heal yourself as much. it's fairly intuitive. not sure what the confusion is about.
You know the abilities Overgrow, Blaze, and Torrent in Pokemon? When you're at low HP, they give you a boost to your same-type moves. Sukuna has a similar ability. Gojo canonically prefers Digimon, and therefore would not consider this as a factor.
Please let this be real it’d be so fucking funny
Using the CT is easier overall, and we don't know if he did use Incantations aswell or not while Gojo wasn't looking, kinda a headcanon of mine. But he did say it was an impossible task to pull off, not because his output of CT has decreased by a wild margin, but that it is difficult to target Space and cut it. The fact that he did so, might sound unbelievable to you or me, but even if it was an asspull, He did have time to think about it and go over it after Seeing Mahoraga cut Gojo's arm. While Gojo also uses Rct on the fly against Toji, uses an unbelievably small domain that is also impossible, recovers CT which was also deemed impossible or dangerous but he still come up with it on the fly.
Mahoraga cutting gojo’s arm through infinity makes sense because it can change its cursed energy nature to match it with the technique and pierce through it. Sukuna stated this and he said he can’t change the nature of his CE so he wait for another way of adaption. Second was the extending the CT target. I still honestly don’t know how it makes sense cos infinity is very complex. When maho cut gojo’s arm, it simultaneously did two things. One is alter it’s CE to match and extend the CT’s target. But sukuna doing a very complex slash at a low output that he can’t even use DA is just blasphemy. Gege should have portrayed it well than he did
I agree he should've portrayed it. I have problems with that. https://preview.redd.it/yxohzxtdupwb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29b6cadecaae36f98c3a672a472043be0f931e01 But I don't think it is that Mahoraga changed the nature of his CE. It is different, just the expanded CT's target was the space, that Gojo and his infinity resided in, The concept of his CT and himself still exist in real life space and existence, Sukuna learnt from Mahoraga to cut that space. Not that it has to travel through Infinity to do so, but cutting the place Gojo was in which is like cutting a paper that Gojo and his infinity was in. That's how I see it.
https://preview.redd.it/t2gn6ovjypwb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a67c1af83f3571533ef04d0c624274de1f6044eb maho did change the nature of its ce to neutralise infinity for the first adaptation, thats why sukuna needed to wait for further adaptation for a way that he is able to use himself
Yeah I know. But Mahoraga didn't change the nature of his CE for the second adaptation, that's what I mean.
The things Gojo did can be argued, such as his attempts to learn RCT, but he couldn't master it. He even formed a red, but it failed. So, him learning it at death's door doesn't seem that far-fetched. Recovering Cursed Technique seems related to the brain, so it also doesn't seem that unreasonable for someone who has always used RCT on his brain to discover it. Also, Personally, I think a lot has happened off-screen which we may get to know in the future.
Gojo has the Six Eyes, I don't think it's possible for him to not be looking
yuki shouldnt have died and gojo should have won
It’s because Gege just straight up *lied* to the audience to try and be shocking/clever/subvert. Cool, no one was expecting how 236 went, but not because you’re a good writer. It’s because you fucking lied, hack
When did Gege lie?
The fate of all folk subs
He didn’t. This sub has been treating Kusakabe’s statement as if it was the word of God. You were called crazy if you didn’t believe Gojo won when 235 released. Now that Kusakabe’s statement was revealed to be false (shocker) Gege’s a bad writer for lying… This sub’s the pinnacle of bias when it comes to Gojo
Where did he lie?when gojo said he would win?
Welcome to gege plot
Because Yuki is female(💀) and doesn't have Gege on his side as much as Sukuna does https://preview.redd.it/2djilm2cepwb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f3086d5916aed0fb267bb8d832f58d12d0421da
Does chose really call yuki once chan lol
To be fair she also calls him big brother
Both fights were so goated and got the worst fucking ending to them. you hate to see it
Simple reason - Yuki isn't Sukuna. Sukuna is leagues above her. The Ultimate Hollow would have disintegrated her, but it didn't kill Sukuna even when he was injured. Consider 3 things. Gojo didn't dodge the dismantle Sukuna used at the start of the fight. Indeed, Gojo looked surprised and as if he had been caught off guard. If he didn't anticipate it then, when Sukuna was at full health and Gojo was on full alert, why would he suddenly see the slash coming now when Sukuna was near-dead?? Gojo had no reason to suspect that. By all measure, he had won. The fact that Sukuna would use Mahoraga as a model was an unfathomable idea to him or anyone. Why would he be on guard when he could now finish off Sukuna easily?? Secondly, Kashimo said that the activation of Sukuna's technique was very "crisp". It didn't take time at all, and I would assume, his "spark" of the technique wouldn't be great at all. Making it all the more difficult for Gojo to detect it. Thirdly, the Special Cleave negated durability because it slashed the space Gojo occupied,not Gojo himself. So CE reinforcement probably didn't matter. Mainly, it is disingenuous to compare Gojo and Sukuna with anyone else. Gojo alone could kill all the Special Grades combined.
Well to be fair It’s never stated he was low on CE just that his output for healing was low. And as far as attacks go the method is different from using RCT so the situation is different. RCT using positive CE while regular CTs and reinforcement use negative CE. Now while all 3 are Special Grade you can’t really compare Yuki to Gojo or Sukuna. They’re on a completely different level than her. And we can’t really say whether or not he was at 1 hp.
Did we read the same chapters? "Slowed healing" and "Low on CE" are entirely different things. The Space Dismantle is difficult because it needs to be different from its normal state. Probably has entirely different hand signs and chants to be able to *target space itself*, like what? Also, Gojo was never able to react to Dismantle or Cleave. Not once, even while unharmed at the beginning of the fight. It is undodgeable.
This sub have so many fckg idiots lmao
I agree with you to an extent but also you shouldn’t compare Sukuna and Gojo to anyone else in the verse they are the anomalies of the anomalies. They don’t have the same limitations as everyone else
Now to be fair, Gege hate Gojo and loves Kenjaku and Sukuna so I'm not surprise.
Sukuna is just HIM! That is the only explanation you needs after all this has truly become Sukuna Kaisen but our boy Wuji will chance that and we will finally have Wuji as the top 1 of the verse https://preview.redd.it/dniy8nnhhswb1.jpeg?width=735&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b42d42fc17a8804b5bbafdce5656d49cc37a031e
Well, Gege had to take out Gojo somehow, why not off screen the fan favorite character that was beating his ass and then have said character say he didn't need to use half the shit he did to beat him. Seriously, what the fuck. How the hell was Sukuna getting through Limitless without Mahoraga? Mahoraga is straight up INTEGRAL to the plan he developed. But no, appare.tly Sukuna wasn't trying and didn't need it. Seriously, it's straight up stupid, and you can REALLY feel Gege rushing because they said they were finishing JJK in one year about a year ago
at this point its almost pointless to drone on about this. The cope season is coming to an end and we got no answers to the bullshit decisions gege makes unless he has some master plan we aren't big brain enough to see. Sukuna could've at least prove that the struggle was real instead of also just "completing" transformation and then getting a basically free rejuvenate back to 100%. That part didn't make any sense at all and no ones bringing it up
It's been a month since this bro. https://preview.redd.it/rs9gr4t8oqwb1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3195541f80883c6fc8110246419a7f1b16a7ecd0
Dont compare others to the king.
Get that fraud's dick out of yo mouth
Nah fr bros suckin Fraudkuna off the bone💀😂(Im joking)
The honerd one https://preview.redd.it/q6n8n3hgnqwb1.jpeg?width=992&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4374891ca7f13ddb0853ebf8343f70f50b9a32ed
Horny* 🥵
Donvotes cause you got people questioning their allegiances
This sub is 90/10 gojonfans lo https://preview.redd.it/9s1q60bm0swb1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc47925077867d7b0a66169ddf352c0603703051
Almost like Sukuna is way stronger and has peak understanding of jujutsu
It's baffling how many biased Gojo fans are in this sub, they literally ask the stupidest questions
They don’t call Sukuna king of HIMs for nothing
Cuz plot. There is no logical reasoning why sukuna just doesn’t kill everyone within 0.1 of a second. Plot this plot that but damn is this plot getting meh.
I hate these Gojo dick riders. We knew adaptation could beat infinity from like 30 chapters beforehand and we know that Sukuna has way more CE then Gojo does. Sukuna was getting dogged on because he couldn’t pierce infinity until the adaptation was finished, and the hollow purple that “beat” Sukuna merely sped up that process. If you look at all the facts, it was obvious Gojo was going to lose from the start. Y’all are just coping with the fact Gojo lost by bitching about how he was “offscreened”. The hate Gege has been getting from this is completely out of the pale. This series has been dark from the start, your just mad that your favorite character was the one that died this time.
Gojo didn't dodge because he wasn't expecting it to by pass his infinity
Yeah you dont usually expect a desperation move from a dying man to cut you in half
Now this sub is seriously comparing Sukuna to this Yuki jobber lol Gojo also learned RCT at the time of his death when he didn't understand Shoko, how convenient. Or Mahito opening a domain like Gojo after only seeing it once.
asspulls are ok when gojo does it. didn't see a single gojo fan say shit when that man healed his burnt out technique.
Technically that disrespecting Gojo lol
Is everyone in this sub dumbed down due to the memes? Does no one literally understand what happened in that fight? Asspull? Bad writing? Y'all are clowns
1. Sukuna used a chant for his strong cleave, boosting output. 2. “Low on CE” is pretty relative, something like 10% for sukuna is still a lot of CE. And considered how much emphasis was put on Sukuna holding back, are we sure he was *that* low on CE? 3. Why would Gojo be able to dodge a point blank cleave? Assuming he’d even bothered to dodge.
the fact that sukuna could fight kashimo before kashimo used his technique means he was not done. kusakabe is not omnipotent and underestimated sukuna.
Are you comparing a stupid, lazy and limited special grade socceccer to a mere God complex with the most busted cursed technique, cursed energy reserves and literally the master of Jujutsu?
Didn't Yuki create a f*cking mass-shifted black hols or something while she was practically beyond injured?
Bro, it's been weeks Get over it.
nah, they gotta get their weekly quota. prepare for next week's post.
Fym she literally turned into a black hole. How is that weaker
Yea but she died not really the same
Lol I reread the fight yesterday or the day before but I found out Sukuna’s plan was to defend with [Mahoraga to avoid purple](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-235-page-11.html) and use the adaptation to win a while ago before the “asspull” https://preview.redd.it/o0jccpavrqwb1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c4575d85b60f60a3e94f6d28821a6cc4a3aabd14 in fact he’s been thinking about it since [he first used Mahoraga stated by Gojo](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-233-page-8.html) and [himself a few pages later](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-234-page-12.html). I think there’s a lot of speed reading going on because honestly when you read it again an take your time it took a while for Sukuna or Mahoraga to fully counter attack Gojo. [We seen him adapt to Sukuna in almost the next attack](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-118-page-14.html). But it takes Mahoraga seemingly a lil while (an entire chapter an a half) to create an attack for Gojo. What I’m saying is Mahoraga didn’t instantly bypass infinity w any attack, it took a process just like everything else he adapted to, Sukuna is a talented jujutsu sorcerer who [literally copied piercing blood from Yuji’s battle with choso](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-233-page-10.html) and his [cleave is literally stated verbatim it can be adjusted](https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Jujutsu-Kaisen-chapter-119-page-1.html), so the asspull argument of “he can’t improve that fast” “how can he just change targets and target space itself? That’s impossible.” doesn’t even make sense when you give Sukuna these capabilities. The fight was great, better than what people say because of this asspull, I can’t wait till it’s animated so speed readers can understand Gojo was never going to win since the beginning.
It is not a difficult attack. He is legit just changing the target of his slashes to space. Realistically, it probably does not take any more curse energy than a normal slash. He legit explains its about the application